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"I just saw this phrase used in the forum and obviously we've all heard of it in the media or in some other respect. What are your thoughts on it? Personally, I do not like this phrase and it can get thrown at a lot of things without any real thought about what it means." Not me, I've never heard the term. | |||
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"I see it used a lot and complained about a lot by people who don't really know what it means. Toxic masculinity is mostly about ways in which cultural ideas about masculinity are harmful to men. Yes these things can have knock on effects on women, but they have the biggest impact on men. Often when you raise specific examples of toxic masculinity such as high suicide rates in men, the men who are so outspoken against the idea of toxic masculinity often agree with everything you say. I guess its similar to white privilege. People get all angry about what they think it means without actually learning what it actually means. "  | |||
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"I am a bit surprised that you've not heard of it and I would recommend you do your own research, but here is a definition from tolerance.org: "Toxic masculinity is a narrow and repressive description of manhood, designating manhood as defined by violence, sex, status and aggression. It’s the cultural ideal of manliness, where strength is everything while emotions are a weakness; where sex and brutality are yardsticks by which men are measured, while supposedly “feminine” traits—which can range from emotional vulnerability to simply not being hypersexual—are the means by which your status as “man” can be taken away." My issue is that it gets thrown at so many things, without any though about it's real meaning." I agree with you about how it is used and a lack of understanding of the implications. | |||
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"Yeah I think it exists. I think the phrase makes men uncomfortable as it seems to imply men are poisonous. However it is internally toxic in the sense that social structures and cultural stereotypes have tended to lead to men repressing emotions and think they need to be overly self-reliant. The warrior archetype as a male model is no longer appropriate but it’s legacy has left a wake of aggression, bullying and violence or young men that no longer understand their place in the world. With a reducing cadre of good role models for young men that are less bound by social conditioning and patriarchal assumptions and the rise in one parent families (just a mother), men are struggling to find their place in society. Men have traditionally been seen as disposable because many of them would die in wars and conflicts, hence the warrior archetype, and as societal mores and the breakdown of the nuclear family has continued, with boys often growing up without Father figures in their life, men of all ages are struggling to understand their place in a changing society. This in turn harms women because of the danger of sexual assault, domestic violence and abuse as the repressed emotions are acted out in distorted and perverse ways. The increasing rates of suicide amongst men of all ages but particularly boys and young men, suggests an imperative to address it. Whether it should be called toxic masculinity or not is debatable. But there is certainly a male crisis that needs to be addressed." When people talk about toxic relationships, they don't mean all relationships are toxic so why on earth would talking about toxic masculinity mean that all masculinity or men are toxic? People are weird. | |||
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"It’s a term used by feminists trying to tell men how to be men. " I'd change feminists to modern society but pretty much. | |||
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"It’s a term used by feminists trying to tell men how to be men. I'd change feminists to modern society but pretty much. " No, only feminists | |||
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"I see it used a lot and complained about a lot by people who don't really know what it means. Toxic masculinity is mostly about ways in which cultural ideas about masculinity are harmful to men. Yes these things can have knock on effects on women, but they have the biggest impact on men. Often when you raise specific examples of toxic masculinity such as high suicide rates in men, the men who are so outspoken against the idea of toxic masculinity often agree with everything you say. I guess its similar to white privilege. People get all angry about what they think it means without actually learning what it actually means. "
Exactly this. The emphasis is on 'toxic', not on 'masculinity'. If someone pointed to a river and told you not to drink from it because it contaned polluted water you wouldn't assume they meant that all water in the world was polluted. No-one is saying masculinity is bad as a whole, just that there are traits in our current ideas of masculinity which are toxic. Male suicide has been mentioned - one of the reasons male suicide is thought to be higher than female is that men are taught that to be masculine is to be strong and not admit to needing help. This stops men getting the help they desperately need and leads to the higher suicide rate - that trait then is 'toxic' because if we could get rid of the idea that asking for help makes men weak the suicide rate would come down. That's one of the things people mean by 'toxic masculinity'.
It's like the way people say they aren't feminists because feminists hate men. I know *loads* of proud female feminists who love men and who believe that dismantling patriarchy is not an attack on men but a way of freeing them from the demands patriarchy makes on men as well as women - such as that showing emotion and asking for help is weak, etc. | |||
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" When people talk about toxic relationships, they don't mean all relationships are toxic so why on earth would talking about toxic masculinity mean that all masculinity or men are toxic? People are weird. " Because people tend to blame the 'other' for societies problems. 'All men are toxic' gives an easily packaged idea that societies problems are caused by men and thus if you 'change' men then all will be good. It's really an attempt at social engineering. One of the problems with this is it lays the problems all on society and ignores the fact that maybe some men are inherently more prone to violence than others (genetics, more testosterone, brain wiring...). In that case they need an outlet for that violence - say boxing - which in turn is looked at as 'wrong' and campaigned against. Thus the cycle continues. | |||
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"It’s mostly aimed at misogynistic males and those with a huge chip on their shoulder. Certainly never seen the term used on these forums...." Agree, masculinity has nothing whatsoever to do with misogyny , homophobia or sexual assault, I actually think those types are less masculine. Nowadays it’s very normal to be alpha/Dom and feminist , you can’t deny some stereotypes but can channel it to support and promote women rather than control and abuse them. But I don’t like the anti masculine agenda either, nothing wrong with guys that are feminine or metro-sexual , het  exible etc. but they don’t need to attack those that are not as outdated.
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"I see it used a lot and complained about a lot by people who don't really know what it means. Toxic masculinity is mostly about ways in which cultural ideas about masculinity are harmful to men. Yes these things can have knock on effects on women, but they have the biggest impact on men. Often when you raise specific examples of toxic masculinity such as high suicide rates in men, the men who are so outspoken against the idea of toxic masculinity often agree with everything you say. I guess its similar to white privilege. People get all angry about what they think it means without actually learning what it actually means.
Exactly this. The emphasis is on 'toxic', not on 'masculinity'. If someone pointed to a river and told you not to drink from it because it contaned polluted water you wouldn't assume they meant that all water in the world was polluted. No-one is saying masculinity is bad as a whole, just that there are traits in our current ideas of masculinity which are toxic. Male suicide has been mentioned - one of the reasons male suicide is thought to be higher than female is that men are taught that to be masculine is to be strong and not admit to needing help. This stops men getting the help they desperately need and leads to the higher suicide rate - that trait then is 'toxic' because if we could get rid of the idea that asking for help makes men weak the suicide rate would come down. That's one of the things people mean by 'toxic masculinity'.
It's like the way people say they aren't feminists because feminists hate men. I know *loads* of proud female feminists who love men and who believe that dismantling patriarchy is not an attack on men but a way of freeing them from the demands patriarchy makes on men as well as women - such as that showing emotion and asking for help is weak, etc. "Then why are male suicides rising decade on decade. They were lower when toxic masculinity traits were promoted and were the norm? | |||
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"I see it used a lot and complained about a lot by people who don't really know what it means. Toxic masculinity is mostly about ways in which cultural ideas about masculinity are harmful to men. Yes these things can have knock on effects on women, but they have the biggest impact on men. Often when you raise specific examples of toxic masculinity such as high suicide rates in men, the men who are so outspoken against the idea of toxic masculinity often agree with everything you say. I guess its similar to white privilege. People get all angry about what they think it means without actually learning what it actually means.
Exactly this. The emphasis is on 'toxic', not on 'masculinity'. If someone pointed to a river and told you not to drink from it because it contaned polluted water you wouldn't assume they meant that all water in the world was polluted. No-one is saying masculinity is bad as a whole, just that there are traits in our current ideas of masculinity which are toxic. Male suicide has been mentioned - one of the reasons male suicide is thought to be higher than female is that men are taught that to be masculine is to be strong and not admit to needing help. This stops men getting the help they desperately need and leads to the higher suicide rate - that trait then is 'toxic' because if we could get rid of the idea that asking for help makes men weak the suicide rate would come down. That's one of the things people mean by 'toxic masculinity'.
It's like the way people say they aren't feminists because feminists hate men. I know *loads* of proud female feminists who love men and who believe that dismantling patriarchy is not an attack on men but a way of freeing them from the demands patriarchy makes on men as well as women - such as that showing emotion and asking for help is weak, etc. "I don't even think it's that traits in our current ideas of masculinity are toxic. It's more that we have one set idea of what masculinity is and any breach from it is seen as weak and unmasculine. That is the part that is toxic to me. Our current view of masculinity may work perfectly fine for some but it shouldn't be the only way men can be viewed as masculine. It's like with feminism. It's not about taking away a woman's choice to be a stay at home housewife and mother, it just shouldn't be the only option available. | |||
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"I am a bit surprised that you've not heard of it and I would recommend you do your own research, but here is a definition from tolerance.org: "Toxic masculinity is a narrow and repressive description of manhood, designating manhood as defined by violence, sex, status and aggression. It’s the cultural ideal of manliness, where strength is everything while emotions are a weakness; where sex and brutality are yardsticks by which men are measured, while supposedly “feminine” traits—which can range from emotional vulnerability to simply not being hypersexual—are the means by which your status as “man” can be taken away." My issue is that it gets thrown at so many things, without any though about it's real meaning." Yeah it's new to me too. Thanks for the imput. Saves me searching! | |||
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" When people talk about toxic relationships, they don't mean all relationships are toxic so why on earth would talking about toxic masculinity mean that all masculinity or men are toxic? People are weird. Because people tend to blame the 'other' for societies problems. 'All men are toxic' gives an easily packaged idea that societies problems are caused by men and thus if you 'change' men then all will be good. It's really an attempt at social engineering. One of the problems with this is it lays the problems all on society and ignores the fact that maybe some men are inherently more prone to violence than others (genetics, more testosterone, brain wiring...). In that case they need an outlet for that violence - say boxing - which in turn is looked at as 'wrong' and campaigned against. Thus the cycle continues." I've yet to meet anyone who believes all men are toxic and I've attended protests over women's reproductive rights . | |||
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"I see it used a lot and complained about a lot by people who don't really know what it means. Toxic masculinity is mostly about ways in which cultural ideas about masculinity are harmful to men. Yes these things can have knock on effects on women, but they have the biggest impact on men. Often when you raise specific examples of toxic masculinity such as high suicide rates in men, the men who are so outspoken against the idea of toxic masculinity often agree with everything you say. I guess its similar to white privilege. People get all angry about what they think it means without actually learning what it actually means.
Exactly this. The emphasis is on 'toxic', not on 'masculinity'. If someone pointed to a river and told you not to drink from it because it contaned polluted water you wouldn't assume they meant that all water in the world was polluted. No-one is saying masculinity is bad as a whole, just that there are traits in our current ideas of masculinity which are toxic. Male suicide has been mentioned - one of the reasons male suicide is thought to be higher than female is that men are taught that to be masculine is to be strong and not admit to needing help. This stops men getting the help they desperately need and leads to the higher suicide rate - that trait then is 'toxic' because if we could get rid of the idea that asking for help makes men weak the suicide rate would come down. That's one of the things people mean by 'toxic masculinity'.
It's like the way people say they aren't feminists because feminists hate men. I know *loads* of proud female feminists who love men and who believe that dismantling patriarchy is not an attack on men but a way of freeing them from the demands patriarchy makes on men as well as women - such as that showing emotion and asking for help is weak, etc.
I don't even think it's that traits in our current ideas of masculinity are toxic. It's more that we have one set idea of what masculinity is and any breach from it is seen as weak and unmasculine. That is the part that is toxic to me. Our current view of masculinity may work perfectly fine for some but it shouldn't be the only way men can be viewed as masculine. It's like with feminism. It's not about taking away a woman's choice to be a stay at home housewife and mother, it just shouldn't be the only option available. "Careful Lacey, suggesting people be free to choose how they see themselves instead of that being dictated is dangerous.     | |||
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"Yeah I think it exists. I think the phrase makes men uncomfortable as it seems to imply men are poisonous. However it is internally toxic in the sense that social structures and cultural stereotypes have tended to lead to men repressing emotions and think they need to be overly self-reliant. The warrior archetype as a male model is no longer appropriate but it’s legacy has left a wake of aggression, bullying and violence or young men that no longer understand their place in the world. With a reducing cadre of good role models for young men that are less bound by social conditioning and patriarchal assumptions and the rise in one parent families (just a mother), men are struggling to find their place in society. Men have traditionally been seen as disposable because many of them would die in wars and conflicts, hence the warrior archetype, and as societal mores and the breakdown of the nuclear family has continued, with boys often growing up without Father figures in their life, men of all ages are struggling to understand their place in a changing society. This in turn harms women because of the danger of sexual assault, domestic violence and abuse as the repressed emotions are acted out in distorted and perverse ways. The increasing rates of suicide amongst men of all ages but particularly boys and young men, suggests an imperative to address it. Whether it should be called toxic masculinity or not is debatable. But there is certainly a male crisis that needs to be addressed. When people talk about toxic relationships, they don't mean all relationships are toxic so why on earth would talking about toxic masculinity mean that all masculinity or men are toxic? People are weird. " | |||
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"I see it used a lot and complained about a lot by people who don't really know what it means. Toxic masculinity is mostly about ways in which cultural ideas about masculinity are harmful to men. Yes these things can have knock on effects on women, but they have the biggest impact on men. Often when you raise specific examples of toxic masculinity such as high suicide rates in men, the men who are so outspoken against the idea of toxic masculinity often agree with everything you say. I guess its similar to white privilege. People get all angry about what they think it means without actually learning what it actually means.
Exactly this. The emphasis is on 'toxic', not on 'masculinity'. If someone pointed to a river and told you not to drink from it because it contaned polluted water you wouldn't assume they meant that all water in the world was polluted. No-one is saying masculinity is bad as a whole, just that there are traits in our current ideas of masculinity which are toxic. Male suicide has been mentioned - one of the reasons male suicide is thought to be higher than female is that men are taught that to be masculine is to be strong and not admit to needing help. This stops men getting the help they desperately need and leads to the higher suicide rate - that trait then is 'toxic' because if we could get rid of the idea that asking for help makes men weak the suicide rate would come down. That's one of the things people mean by 'toxic masculinity'.
It's like the way people say they aren't feminists because feminists hate men. I know *loads* of proud female feminists who love men and who believe that dismantling patriarchy is not an attack on men but a way of freeing them from the demands patriarchy makes on men as well as women - such as that showing emotion and asking for help is weak, etc.
Then why are male suicides rising decade on decade. They were lower when toxic masculinity traits were promoted and were the norm? "All suicide rates are rising. We have a huge mental health crisis in this country. However, male suicide rates have always been higher than womens and we really need to look at why that is. Men also often commit suicide in more violent and nasty ways than women. It really is very sad. And the real tragic irony is that even in commiting suicide they are still often seen as weak and cowardly for doing so. | |||
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" When people talk about toxic relationships, they don't mean all relationships are toxic so why on earth would talking about toxic masculinity mean that all masculinity or men are toxic? People are weird. Because people tend to blame the 'other' for societies problems. 'All men are toxic' gives an easily packaged idea that societies problems are caused by men and thus if you 'change' men then all will be good. It's really an attempt at social engineering. One of the problems with this is it lays the problems all on society and ignores the fact that maybe some men are inherently more prone to violence than others (genetics, more testosterone, brain wiring...). In that case they need an outlet for that violence - say boxing - which in turn is looked at as 'wrong' and campaigned against. Thus the cycle continues. I've yet to meet anyone who believes all men are toxic and I've attended protests over women's reproductive rights ."Ah but recognising nuances in an argument is never a fun as destroying a straw man eh? | |||
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"I see it used a lot and complained about a lot by people who don't really know what it means. Toxic masculinity is mostly about ways in which cultural ideas about masculinity are harmful to men. Yes these things can have knock on effects on women, but they have the biggest impact on men. Often when you raise specific examples of toxic masculinity such as high suicide rates in men, the men who are so outspoken against the idea of toxic masculinity often agree with everything you say. I guess its similar to white privilege. People get all angry about what they think it means without actually learning what it actually means.
Exactly this. The emphasis is on 'toxic', not on 'masculinity'. If someone pointed to a river and told you not to drink from it because it contaned polluted water you wouldn't assume they meant that all water in the world was polluted. No-one is saying masculinity is bad as a whole, just that there are traits in our current ideas of masculinity which are toxic. Male suicide has been mentioned - one of the reasons male suicide is thought to be higher than female is that men are taught that to be masculine is to be strong and not admit to needing help. This stops men getting the help they desperately need and leads to the higher suicide rate - that trait then is 'toxic' because if we could get rid of the idea that asking for help makes men weak the suicide rate would come down. That's one of the things people mean by 'toxic masculinity'.
It's like the way people say they aren't feminists because feminists hate men. I know *loads* of proud female feminists who love men and who believe that dismantling patriarchy is not an attack on men but a way of freeing them from the demands patriarchy makes on men as well as women - such as that showing emotion and asking for help is weak, etc.
I don't even think it's that traits in our current ideas of masculinity are toxic. It's more that we have one set idea of what masculinity is and any breach from it is seen as weak and unmasculine. That is the part that is toxic to me. Our current view of masculinity may work perfectly fine for some but it shouldn't be the only way men can be viewed as masculine. It's like with feminism. It's not about taking away a woman's choice to be a stay at home housewife and mother, it just shouldn't be the only option available.
Careful Lacey, suggesting people be free to choose how they see themselves instead of that being dictated is dangerous. "It certainly seems to attract a lot of anger . | |||
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"The word and idea of toxic musculinety is a concocted concept by these 3rd wave feminists. Real feminism fought for equal rights, but this new wave fights for the suppression of men and anything musculine. Real feminism that addresses real equality issues is good. But this new wave of feminists are toxic to the core. Let men be men, we have earned that right " What is it about being a man that you feel you are being denied? | |||
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"Yeah I think it exists. I think the phrase makes men uncomfortable as it seems to imply men are poisonous. However it is internally toxic in the sense that social structures and cultural stereotypes have tended to lead to men repressing emotions and think they need to be overly self-reliant. The warrior archetype as a male model is no longer appropriate but it’s legacy has left a wake of aggression, bullying and violence or young men that no longer understand their place in the world. With a reducing cadre of good role models for young men that are less bound by social conditioning and patriarchal assumptions and the rise in one parent families (just a mother), men are struggling to find their place in society. Men have traditionally been seen as disposable because many of them would die in wars and conflicts, hence the warrior archetype, and as societal mores and the breakdown of the nuclear family has continued, with boys often growing up without Father figures in their life, men of all ages are struggling to understand their place in a changing society. This in turn harms women because of the danger of sexual assault, domestic violence and abuse as the repressed emotions are acted out in distorted and perverse ways. The increasing rates of suicide amongst men of all ages but particularly boys and young men, suggests an imperative to address it. Whether it should be called toxic masculinity or not is debatable. But there is certainly a male crisis that needs to be addressed." Absolutely this. | |||
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"The word and idea of toxic musculinety is a concocted concept by these 3rd wave feminists. Real feminism fought for equal rights, but this new wave fights for the suppression of men and anything musculine. Real feminism that addresses real equality issues is good. But this new wave of feminists are toxic to the core. Let men be men, we have earned that right What is it about being a man that you feel you are being denied?" not once have I mentioned that I feel I have been denied anything.?? | |||
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"The word and idea of toxic musculinety is a concocted concept by these 3rd wave feminists. Real feminism fought for equal rights, but this new wave fights for the suppression of men and anything musculine. Real feminism that addresses real equality issues is good. But this new wave of feminists are toxic to the core. Let men be men, we have earned that right " Interesting insight | |||
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"I see it used a lot and complained about a lot by people who don't really know what it means. Toxic masculinity is mostly about ways in which cultural ideas about masculinity are harmful to men. Yes these things can have knock on effects on women, but they have the biggest impact on men. Often when you raise specific examples of toxic masculinity such as high suicide rates in men, the men who are so outspoken against the idea of toxic masculinity often agree with everything you say. I guess its similar to white privilege. People get all angry about what they think it means without actually learning what it actually means.
Exactly this. The emphasis is on 'toxic', not on 'masculinity'. If someone pointed to a river and told you not to drink from it because it contaned polluted water you wouldn't assume they meant that all water in the world was polluted. No-one is saying masculinity is bad as a whole, just that there are traits in our current ideas of masculinity which are toxic. Male suicide has been mentioned - one of the reasons male suicide is thought to be higher than female is that men are taught that to be masculine is to be strong and not admit to needing help. This stops men getting the help they desperately need and leads to the higher suicide rate - that trait then is 'toxic' because if we could get rid of the idea that asking for help makes men weak the suicide rate would come down. That's one of the things people mean by 'toxic masculinity'.
It's like the way people say they aren't feminists because feminists hate men. I know *loads* of proud female feminists who love men and who believe that dismantling patriarchy is not an attack on men but a way of freeing them from the demands patriarchy makes on men as well as women - such as that showing emotion and asking for help is weak, etc.
Then why are male suicides rising decade on decade. They were lower when toxic masculinity traits were promoted and were the norm?
All suicide rates are rising. We have a huge mental health crisis in this country. However, male suicide rates have always been higher than womens and we really need to look at why that is. Men also often commit suicide in more violent and nasty ways than women. It really is very sad. And the real tragic irony is that even in commiting suicide they are still often seen as weak and cowardly for doing so. " | |||
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"The word and idea of toxic musculinety is a concocted concept by these 3rd wave feminists. Real feminism fought for equal rights, but this new wave fights for the suppression of men and anything musculine. Real feminism that addresses real equality issues is good. But this new wave of feminists are toxic to the core. Let men be men, we have earned that right What is it about being a man that you feel you are being denied? not once have I mentioned that I feel I have been denied anything.??" Okay then...what aspect of your masculinity do you think is being suppressed in some way? | |||
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" I've yet to meet anyone who believes all men are toxic and I've attended protests over women's reproductive rights ."Do a search for 'all men are toxic'. There will be those that argue that all men are toxic, those that argue that not all men are toxic, and those that argue toxic masxulinity doesn't exist. Much like 'white privilege' and 'systemic racism' (not turning this into a discussion about these terms). IMO all ideas to 'explain' the problems with society. In 50 years time these ideas will be 'debunked' and new ones will take their place. | |||
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"The word and idea of toxic musculinety is a concocted concept by these 3rd wave feminists. Real feminism fought for equal rights, but this new wave fights for the suppression of men and anything musculine. Real feminism that addresses real equality issues is good. But this new wave of feminists are toxic to the core. Let men be men, we have earned that right " The term was coined during the 1980’s and gained traction during the 90’s in the mythopoetic male movement (Men’s self help). It was promoted a number of male writers and has only become distorted with the increase in extremism during this century | |||
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"The word and idea of toxic musculinety is a concocted concept by these 3rd wave feminists. Real feminism fought for equal rights, but this new wave fights for the suppression of men and anything musculine. Real feminism that addresses real equality issues is good. But this new wave of feminists are toxic to the core. Let men be men, we have earned that right What is it about being a man that you feel you are being denied? not once have I mentioned that I feel I have been denied anything.?? Okay then...what aspect of your masculinity do you think is being suppressed in some way?" Not sure if you know what this 3rd wave of toxic feminism is all about. I'm certainly not going into a long discussion on here. One of the things they want to do is 'feminise' men in the way we act, things we do, way we think etc etc. Read up on it. It's not about equal rights it's about suppressing musculinity. Apparently it's wrong for a man to hold the door for a lady, to to manly things. But as soon as the shit hits the fan they twist their butch hairstyles into little pony tails and pretend to be helpless so real men can clean up. Weak men create bad times Bad times create strong men Strong men create good times Good times create weak men Generation of men now are being fed all sorts of shit which is creating weak, non musculine men..... | |||
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" I've yet to meet anyone who believes all men are toxic and I've attended protests over women's reproductive rights .
Do a search for 'all men are toxic'. There will be those that argue that all men are toxic, those that argue that not all men are toxic, and those that argue toxic masxulinity doesn't exist.
Much like 'white privilege' and 'systemic racism' (not turning this into a discussion about these terms). IMO all ideas to 'explain' the problems with society. In 50 years time these ideas will be 'debunked' and new ones will take their place."I posted a comment about why the phrase toxic masculinity doesn't mean all masculinity is toxix. You responded specifically to my comment about how society apparently thinks all men are toxic. I don't think that the existence of a few nuts on the internet really backs that up. | |||
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"I see it used a lot and complained about a lot by people who don't really know what it means. Toxic masculinity is mostly about ways in which cultural ideas about masculinity are harmful to men. Yes these things can have knock on effects on women, but they have the biggest impact on men. Often when you raise specific examples of toxic masculinity such as high suicide rates in men, the men who are so outspoken against the idea of toxic masculinity often agree with everything you say. I guess its similar to white privilege. People get all angry about what they think it means without actually learning what it actually means.
Exactly this. The emphasis is on 'toxic', not on 'masculinity'. If someone pointed to a river and told you not to drink from it because it contaned polluted water you wouldn't assume they meant that all water in the world was polluted. No-one is saying masculinity is bad as a whole, just that there are traits in our current ideas of masculinity which are toxic. Male suicide has been mentioned - one of the reasons male suicide is thought to be higher than female is that men are taught that to be masculine is to be strong and not admit to needing help. This stops men getting the help they desperately need and leads to the higher suicide rate - that trait then is 'toxic' because if we could get rid of the idea that asking for help makes men weak the suicide rate would come down. That's one of the things people mean by 'toxic masculinity'.
It's like the way people say they aren't feminists because feminists hate men. I know *loads* of proud female feminists who love men and who believe that dismantling patriarchy is not an attack on men but a way of freeing them from the demands patriarchy makes on men as well as women - such as that showing emotion and asking for help is weak, etc.
Then why are male suicides rising decade on decade. They were lower when toxic masculinity traits were promoted and were the norm?
All suicide rates are rising. We have a huge mental health crisis in this country. However, male suicide rates have always been higher than womens and we really need to look at why that is. Men also often commit suicide in more violent and nasty ways than women. It really is very sad. And the real tragic irony is that even in commiting suicide they are still often seen as weak and cowardly for doing so. "That's true of homicides too. It goes back to the nature Vs nurture debate. And I'm just more inclined that it's nature. | |||
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" Then why are male suicides rising decade on decade. They were lower when toxic masculinity traits were promoted and were the norm? " Because they haven't and they weren't. Suicide rates had been at their lowest since 1981 and had been going down since 2013 until a sudden spike in 2018's figures were analysed - in 2019 the BBC was still able to write that; 'In the UK, the male suicide rate is its lowest since 1981 – 15.5 deaths per 100,000' https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190313-why-more-men-kill-themselves-than-women Even with that spike, the analysis of that data stated; "Since our time series began in 1981, suicide rates for both males and females have generally been on a downward trend. The latest suicide rate for males is like that observed in 2013, when it previously peaked, but it still remains significantly lower than in 1988 when it was at its highest (21.4 deaths per 100,000 males)." Again, no evidence that suicide rates have been going up year-on-year, even for men, especially when you consider that; 'The latest rate remains statistically lower than that observed in 1981 when there were 19.3 deaths per 100,000 males in England.' In 2018 the amount of proof required for the Coroner to record a suicide verdict was lowered - this almost inevitably means more deaths will be recorded as such, which will boost the recent figures - although of course that means they become more accurate, uncovering a hidden history of suicide, wthout meaning the problem has gotten worse than it was before. People still committed suicide in previous decades, it just wasn't recorded as suicide as often. Incidentally, the same research found that female suicide rates of ages 10-24 was at its highest level since 1981, suggesting that there are wider societal pressures at the moment which may also be impacting on men. Middle-aged male suicide has increased, and the study suggested; 'higher rates of suicide among middle-aged males in recent years might be because this group is more likely to be affected by economic adversity, alcoholism and isolation; furthermore, it could be that this group are less inclined to seek help. As well as being the most likely to die by suicide, it is also this middle-aged generation that are most likely to die by drug poisoning.' (Isolation is very important I think - there used to be a greater sense of community and 'society' - of knowing your neighbours and work colleagues, of having a trade that you felt secure in and could work inside of. But we've had 30 years of the deliberate dismantling of society and 10 years of austerity which pulled the rug out from a lot of people's feet - but that's my opinion, back to the evidence). It's also worth noting that 'only 53% of suicides registered in 2018 having actually occurred in 2018', meaning that the 2018 spike is somewhat misleading anyway. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/suicidesintheunitedkingdom/2018registrations The Samaritans have also looked into why men are committing suicide. 'Why so many men? Again, the research, including Samaritans’ Men and Suicide report, shows how complex the issue is. In the report, men talk about relationships breaking down, separation from children, job loss, addiction, lack of close friendships, loneliness and being unable to open up. We also know that deprivation is a major factor in male suicide, increasing the odds of taking your life by 10 times, compared with the suicide risk of more affluent men. Something called the ‘gold standard’ of masculinity puts pressure on men. It’s a persuasive little voice that whispers, ‘You’ve failed’ – unless you have gone out and secured that job, that house, that car, that woman, those children and that sunny family life. ‘You’re divorced? Don’t see your kids much now and don’t live with them? You lost your job? You can’t pay your debts, your rent, your mortgage, your bills? Your life is over, man!’ It whispers about anything that isn’t part of conventional James Bond-style masculinity: ‘You’re gay, you’re trans, you’re bi – what sort of life do you think you’re going to have? Don’t tell anyone, whatever you do.’ Feelings of failure and shame make it harder to open up because that will make things worse, won’t it?' https://www.england.nhs.uk/blog/tackling-the-root-causes-of-suicide/ | |||
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"The word and idea of toxic musculinety is a concocted concept by these 3rd wave feminists. Real feminism fought for equal rights, but this new wave fights for the suppression of men and anything musculine. Real feminism that addresses real equality issues is good. But this new wave of feminists are toxic to the core. Let men be men, we have earned that right What is it about being a man that you feel you are being denied? not once have I mentioned that I feel I have been denied anything.?? Okay then...what aspect of your masculinity do you think is being suppressed in some way? Not sure if you know what this 3rd wave of toxic feminism is all about. I'm certainly not going into a long discussion on here. One of the things they want to do is 'feminise' men in the way we act, things we do, way we think etc etc. Read up on it. It's not about equal rights it's about suppressing musculinity. Apparently it's wrong for a man to hold the door for a lady, to to manly things. But as soon as the shit hits the fan they twist their butch hairstyles into little pony tails and pretend to be helpless so real men can clean up. Weak men create bad times Bad times create strong men Strong men create good times Good times create weak men Generation of men now are being fed all sorts of shit which is creating weak, non musculine men....." I'm pretty sure men with muscles haven't been stopped from holding doors open just yet | |||
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"The word and idea of toxic musculinety is a concocted concept by these 3rd wave feminists. Real feminism fought for equal rights, but this new wave fights for the suppression of men and anything musculine. Real feminism that addresses real equality issues is good. But this new wave of feminists are toxic to the core. Let men be men, we have earned that right What is it about being a man that you feel you are being denied? not once have I mentioned that I feel I have been denied anything.?? Okay then...what aspect of your masculinity do you think is being suppressed in some way? Not sure if you know what this 3rd wave of toxic feminism is all about. I'm certainly not going into a long discussion on here. One of the things they want to do is 'feminise' men in the way we act, things we do, way we think etc etc. Read up on it. It's not about equal rights it's about suppressing musculinity. Apparently it's wrong for a man to hold the door for a lady, to to manly things. But as soon as the shit hits the fan they twist their butch hairstyles into little pony tails and pretend to be helpless so real men can clean up. Weak men create bad times Bad times create strong men Strong men create good times Good times create weak men Generation of men now are being fed all sorts of shit which is creating weak, non musculine men....." The history of all inequality today is actually the history of women being suppressed by men , it’s goes back 5000-7000 years, before then it was different in hunter gatherer societies with science and inventions often led by women and women revered by men as life givers. But 3 types of male dominance - Male Gods, Slavery/Capitalism, and physical force/War changed things. | |||
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"The word and idea of toxic musculinety is a concocted concept by these 3rd wave feminists. Real feminism fought for equal rights, but this new wave fights for the suppression of men and anything musculine. Real feminism that addresses real equality issues is good. But this new wave of feminists are toxic to the core. Let men be men, we have earned that right What is it about being a man that you feel you are being denied? not once have I mentioned that I feel I have been denied anything.?? Okay then...what aspect of your masculinity do you think is being suppressed in some way? Not sure if you know what this 3rd wave of toxic feminism is all about. I'm certainly not going into a long discussion on here. One of the things they want to do is 'feminise' men in the way we act, things we do, way we think etc etc. Read up on it. It's not about equal rights it's about suppressing musculinity. Apparently it's wrong for a man to hold the door for a lady, to to manly things. But as soon as the shit hits the fan they twist their butch hairstyles into little pony tails and pretend to be helpless so real men can clean up. Weak men create bad times Bad times create strong men Strong men create good times Good times create weak men Generation of men now are being fed all sorts of shit which is creating weak, non musculine men....." I wouldn't call my hairstyle butch thank you very much. However as a modern feminist, you are totally right. We are all lesbians and will only even entertain a man if he is totally indistinguishable from a woman. In fact I'm currently working on a project to enslave men in sperm farms so we can continue the species while living in an entirely female society. | |||
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"The word and idea of toxic musculinety is a concocted concept by these 3rd wave feminists. Real feminism fought for equal rights, but this new wave fights for the suppression of men and anything musculine. Real feminism that addresses real equality issues is good. But this new wave of feminists are toxic to the core. Let men be men, we have earned that right What is it about being a man that you feel you are being denied? not once have I mentioned that I feel I have been denied anything.?? Okay then...what aspect of your masculinity do you think is being suppressed in some way? Not sure if you know what this 3rd wave of toxic feminism is all about. I'm certainly not going into a long discussion on here. One of the things they want to do is 'feminise' men in the way we act, things we do, way we think etc etc. Read up on it. It's not about equal rights it's about suppressing musculinity. Apparently it's wrong for a man to hold the door for a lady, to to manly things. But as soon as the shit hits the fan they twist their butch hairstyles into little pony tails and pretend to be helpless so real men can clean up. Weak men create bad times Bad times create strong men Strong men create good times Good times create weak men Generation of men now are being fed all sorts of shit which is creating weak, non musculine men..... The history of all inequality today is actually the history of women being suppressed by men , it’s goes back 5000-7000 years, before then it was different in hunter gatherer societies with science and inventions often led by women and women revered by men as life givers. But 3 types of male dominance - Male Gods, Slavery/Capitalism, and physical force/War changed things. " I'm glad you said history as it's past tense. Our western society does not do that anymore. Women actually now have more rights than men | |||
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"The word and idea of toxic musculinety is a concocted concept by these 3rd wave feminists. Real feminism fought for equal rights, but this new wave fights for the suppression of men and anything musculine. Real feminism that addresses real equality issues is good. But this new wave of feminists are toxic to the core. Let men be men, we have earned that right What is it about being a man that you feel you are being denied? not once have I mentioned that I feel I have been denied anything.?? Okay then...what aspect of your masculinity do you think is being suppressed in some way? Not sure if you know what this 3rd wave of toxic feminism is all about. I'm certainly not going into a long discussion on here. One of the things they want to do is 'feminise' men in the way we act, things we do, way we think etc etc. Read up on it. It's not about equal rights it's about suppressing musculinity. Apparently it's wrong for a man to hold the door for a lady, to to manly things. But as soon as the shit hits the fan they twist their butch hairstyles into little pony tails and pretend to be helpless so real men can clean up. Weak men create bad times Bad times create strong men Strong men create good times Good times create weak men Generation of men now are being fed all sorts of shit which is creating weak, non musculine men..... I wouldn't call my hairstyle butch thank you very much. However as a modern feminist, you are totally right. We are all lesbians and will only even entertain a man if he is totally indistinguishable from a woman. In fact I'm currently working on a project to enslave men in sperm farms so we can continue the species while living in an entirely female society. " I don't care what you call your hairstyle my darling. Never seen it. Good luck with your project | |||
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"People talk about toxic musculinety, but never about toxic females. World is strewn with them. Attention whores with fake tits, inflated lips and bleached arseholes. With a wishlist of her type of guy as long as my leg and 3 kids from different dads in tow. That is why they want to suppress musculine men because we don't fall for that shit and won't be pussy whipped into being a cash machine simp. Give us real, curvy and confident women" Nah sorry, we don't want you either. | |||
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"People talk about toxic musculinety, but never about toxic females. World is strewn with them. Attention whores with fake tits, inflated lips and bleached arseholes. With a wishlist of her type of guy as long as my leg and 3 kids from different dads in tow. That is why they want to suppress musculine men because we don't fall for that shit and won't be pussy whipped into being a cash machine simp. Give us real, curvy and confident women" Would a wee blow job from a feminist with a butch hairdo make you less angry?  | |||
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"People talk about toxic musculinety, but never about toxic females. World is strewn with them. Attention whores with fake tits, inflated lips and bleached arseholes. With a wishlist of her type of guy as long as my leg and 3 kids from different dads in tow. That is why they want to suppress musculine men because we don't fall for that shit and won't be pussy whipped into being a cash machine simp. Give us real, curvy and confident women Would a wee blow job from a feminist with a butch hairdo make you less angry? "I'm not angry at all. Just stating what I think. But that's again a typical feminist assumption that when men express something that they must be angry. And no thanks, I'm not that desperate | |||
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" I'm glad you said history as it's past tense. Our western society does not do that anymore. Women actually now have more rights than men Please provide examples and your evidence for this statement. " He's right. We get free butch haircuts and discounts on rainbow hair dye for our armpit hair. | |||
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"The word and idea of toxic musculinety is a concocted concept by these 3rd wave feminists. Real feminism fought for equal rights, but this new wave fights for the suppression of men and anything musculine. Real feminism that addresses real equality issues is good. But this new wave of feminists are toxic to the core. Let men be men, we have earned that right What is it about being a man that you feel you are being denied? not once have I mentioned that I feel I have been denied anything.?? Okay then...what aspect of your masculinity do you think is being suppressed in some way? Not sure if you know what this 3rd wave of toxic feminism is all about. I'm certainly not going into a long discussion on here. One of the things they want to do is 'feminise' men in the way we act, things we do, way we think etc etc. Read up on it. It's not about equal rights it's about suppressing musculinity. Apparently it's wrong for a man to hold the door for a lady, to to manly things. But as soon as the shit hits the fan they twist their butch hairstyles into little pony tails and pretend to be helpless so real men can clean up. Weak men create bad times Bad times create strong men Strong men create good times Good times create weak men Generation of men now are being fed all sorts of shit which is creating weak, non musculine men..... The history of all inequality today is actually the history of women being suppressed by men , it’s goes back 5000-7000 years, before then it was different in hunter gatherer societies with science and inventions often led by women and women revered by men as life givers. But 3 types of male dominance - Male Gods, Slavery/Capitalism, and physical force/War changed things. I'm glad you said history as it's past tense. Our western society does not do that anymore. Women actually now have more rights than men" I’m intrigued as to what rights women in the UK have, over and above those of men? Is this in regards to work place legislation or another area? Can you give an example or expand on this? | |||
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"The word and idea of toxic musculinety is a concocted concept by these 3rd wave feminists. Real feminism fought for equal rights, but this new wave fights for the suppression of men and anything musculine. Real feminism that addresses real equality issues is good. But this new wave of feminists are toxic to the core. Let men be men, we have earned that right What is it about being a man that you feel you are being denied? not once have I mentioned that I feel I have been denied anything.?? Okay then...what aspect of your masculinity do you think is being suppressed in some way? Not sure if you know what this 3rd wave of toxic feminism is all about. I'm certainly not going into a long discussion on here. One of the things they want to do is 'feminise' men in the way we act, things we do, way we think etc etc. Read up on it. It's not about equal rights it's about suppressing musculinity. Apparently it's wrong for a man to hold the door for a lady, to to manly things. But as soon as the shit hits the fan they twist their butch hairstyles into little pony tails and pretend to be helpless so real men can clean up. Weak men create bad times Bad times create strong men Strong men create good times Good times create weak men Generation of men now are being fed all sorts of shit which is creating weak, non musculine men..... The history of all inequality today is actually the history of women being suppressed by men , it’s goes back 5000-7000 years, before then it was different in hunter gatherer societies with science and inventions often led by women and women revered by men as life givers. But 3 types of male dominance - Male Gods, Slavery/Capitalism, and physical force/War changed things. I'm glad you said history as it's past tense. Our western society does not do that anymore. Women actually now have more rights than men" And that , fro me, is why men need a praxis like feminism. Until we start to address the issues of how to be men in the modern world without lashing out in anger, there will continue to be an issue with ‘toxic’ or ‘hegemonic’ masculinity. | |||
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"People talk about toxic musculinety, but never about toxic females. World is strewn with them. Attention whores with fake tits, inflated lips and bleached arseholes. With a wishlist of her type of guy as long as my leg and 3 kids from different dads in tow. That is why they want to suppress musculine men because we don't fall for that shit and won't be pussy whipped into being a cash machine simp. Give us real, curvy and confident women Would a wee blow job from a feminist with a butch hairdo make you less angry?
I'm not angry at all. Just stating what I think. But that's again a typical feminist assumption that when men express something that they must be angry.
And no thanks, I'm not that desperate "There's just no helping some people Oh well, I tried | |||
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"People talk about toxic musculinety, but never about toxic females. World is strewn with them. Attention whores with fake tits, inflated lips and bleached arseholes. With a wishlist of her type of guy as long as my leg and 3 kids from different dads in tow. That is why they want to suppress musculine men because we don't fall for that shit and won't be pussy whipped into being a cash machine simp. Give us real, curvy and confident women Would a wee blow job from a feminist with a butch hairdo make you less angry?
I'm not angry at all. Just stating what I think. But that's again a typical feminist assumption that when men express something that they must be angry.
And no thanks, I'm not that desperate "Your posts comes across as aggressive and angry to me. | |||
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" I'm not angry at all. Just stating what I think. But that's again a typical feminist assumption that when men express something that they must be angry. And no thanks, I'm not that desperate " I think people thought that you were angry because you came across as...well...angry. If you weren't angry, perhaps you should ponder why several people thought you were and think about how you can sound less angry in future? I have a suggestion to help you begin - don't sign messages off by insulting people and suggesting you'd have to be desperate to have sex with them. Because that sounds pretty...you know...angry. | |||
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" I'm glad you said history as it's past tense. Our western society does not do that anymore. Women actually now have more rights than men Please provide examples and your evidence for this statement. He's right. We get free butch haircuts and discounts on rainbow hair dye for our armpit hair. " I love it when men argue the point and is right and the other person realise that and start slingy sarky comments or insults. At that point yoy know you've hit a nerve. | |||
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" I'm glad you said history as it's past tense. Our western society does not do that anymore. Women actually now have more rights than men Please provide examples and your evidence for this statement. Really? I can wake up from a d*unken stupor and give you around 17 of the top of my head. " Go on then. | |||
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" I'm glad you said history as it's past tense. Our western society does not do that anymore. Women actually now have more rights than men Please provide examples and your evidence for this statement. He's right. We get free butch haircuts and discounts on rainbow hair dye for our armpit hair. I love it when men argue the point and is right and the other person realise that and start slingy sarky comments or insults. At that point yoy know you've hit a nerve. "That was humour. | |||
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"The word and idea of toxic musculinety is a concocted concept by these 3rd wave feminists. Real feminism fought for equal rights, but this new wave fights for the suppression of men and anything musculine. Real feminism that addresses real equality issues is good. But this new wave of feminists are toxic to the core. Let men be men, we have earned that right What is it about being a man that you feel you are being denied? not once have I mentioned that I feel I have been denied anything.?? Okay then...what aspect of your masculinity do you think is being suppressed in some way? Not sure if you know what this 3rd wave of toxic feminism is all about. I'm certainly not going into a long discussion on here. One of the things they want to do is 'feminise' men in the way we act, things we do, way we think etc etc. Read up on it. It's not about equal rights it's about suppressing musculinity. Apparently it's wrong for a man to hold the door for a lady, to to manly things. But as soon as the shit hits the fan they twist their butch hairstyles into little pony tails and pretend to be helpless so real men can clean up. Weak men create bad times Bad times create strong men Strong men create good times Good times create weak men Generation of men now are being fed all sorts of shit which is creating weak, non musculine men..... The history of all inequality today is actually the history of women being suppressed by men , it’s goes back 5000-7000 years, before then it was different in hunter gatherer societies with science and inventions often led by women and women revered by men as life givers. But 3 types of male dominance - Male Gods, Slavery/Capitalism, and physical force/War changed things. I'm glad you said history as it's past tense. Our western society does not do that anymore. Women actually now have more rights than men" Look around , we have capitalism, wars and Gods still. Until women have real equality no one else will. If women have more rights why do they earn so much less and are not represented in the leadership of companies and nations anything like men? | |||
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" I'm glad you said history as it's past tense. Our western society does not do that anymore. Women actually now have more rights than men Please provide examples and your evidence for this statement. He's right. We get free butch haircuts and discounts on rainbow hair dye for our armpit hair. I love it when men argue the point and is right and the other person realise that and start slingy sarky comments or insults. At that point yoy know you've hit a nerve. "Have you ever heard of 'transference'? Because in the dictionary right now there's a picture of you underneath it. | |||
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" I'm glad you said history as it's past tense. Our western society does not do that anymore. Women actually now have more rights than men Please provide examples and your evidence for this statement. He's right. We get free butch haircuts and discounts on rainbow hair dye for our armpit hair. I love it when men argue the point and is right and the other person realise that and start slingy sarky comments or insults. At that point yoy know you've hit a nerve. "I've already admitted you're 100% right in everything you say (apart from my haircut). What more do you want? Or are you really hung up over the haircut thing? | |||
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"The word and idea of toxic musculinety is a concocted concept by these 3rd wave feminists. Real feminism fought for equal rights, but this new wave fights for the suppression of men and anything musculine. Real feminism that addresses real equality issues is good. But this new wave of feminists are toxic to the core. Let men be men, we have earned that right What is it about being a man that you feel you are being denied? not once have I mentioned that I feel I have been denied anything.?? Okay then...what aspect of your masculinity do you think is being suppressed in some way? Not sure if you know what this 3rd wave of toxic feminism is all about. I'm certainly not going into a long discussion on here. One of the things they want to do is 'feminise' men in the way we act, things we do, way we think etc etc. Read up on it. It's not about equal rights it's about suppressing musculinity. Apparently it's wrong for a man to hold the door for a lady, to to manly things. But as soon as the shit hits the fan they twist their butch hairstyles into little pony tails and pretend to be helpless so real men can clean up. Weak men create bad times Bad times create strong men Strong men create good times Good times create weak men Generation of men now are being fed all sorts of shit which is creating weak, non musculine men..... The history of all inequality today is actually the history of women being suppressed by men , it’s goes back 5000-7000 years, before then it was different in hunter gatherer societies with science and inventions often led by women and women revered by men as life givers. But 3 types of male dominance - Male Gods, Slavery/Capitalism, and physical force/War changed things. I'm glad you said history as it's past tense. Our western society does not do that anymore. Women actually now have more rights than men Look around , we have capitalism, wars and Gods still. Until women have real equality no one else will. If women have more rights why do they earn so much less and are not represented in the leadership of companies and nations anything like men?" This is a topic that has been discussed to no end. If you want a decent answer, then message me as I cba writing an essay here | |||
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" I'm glad you said history as it's past tense. Our western society does not do that anymore. Women actually now have more rights than men Please provide examples and your evidence for this statement. He's right. We get free butch haircuts and discounts on rainbow hair dye for our armpit hair. I love it when men argue the point and is right and the other person realise that and start slingy sarky comments or insults. At that point yoy know you've hit a nerve.
I've already admitted you're 100% right in everything you say (apart from my haircut). What more do you want? Or are you really hung up over the haircut thing? "Babe, I never mentioned your haircut at all. Do they not teach you to read at feminist school? | |||
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" I'm glad you said history as it's past tense. Our western society does not do that anymore. Women actually now have more rights than men Please provide examples and your evidence for this statement. He's right. We get free butch haircuts and discounts on rainbow hair dye for our armpit hair. I love it when men argue the point and is right and the other person realise that and start slingy sarky comments or insults. At that point yoy know you've hit a nerve.
I've already admitted you're 100% right in everything you say (apart from my haircut). What more do you want? Or are you really hung up over the haircut thing?
Babe, I never mentioned your haircut at all. Do they not teach you to read at feminist school?"Nope. We just mash a keyboard with out vaginas until words form. | |||
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Can anyone remember the original post?"It's the lockdown effect. Once everyone goes back IRL socialising it'll calm down. Fun while it lasts though - like watching the gladiators in Rome or bear baiting. | |||
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" Would a wee blow job from a feminist with a butch hairdo make you less angry? "I like a butch haircut on a woman. Sexy. | |||
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" Would a wee blow job from a feminist with a butch hairdo make you less angry?
I like a butch haircut on a woman. Sexy."I was being facetious | |||
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"Gosh this is fun
Can anyone remember the original post?
It's the lockdown effect. Once everyone goes back IRL socialising it'll calm down. Fun while it lasts though - like watching the gladiators in Rome or bear baiting. "By bears you mean feminsts. It works every time. Soon as you say something that hit a nerve, the insults and sarky comments fly. They can't have a decent conversation. And God forbid have a conversation with someone who does not conform to their twisted idea of what soceity should be like | |||
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"Gosh this is fun
Can anyone remember the original post?
It's the lockdown effect. Once everyone goes back IRL socialising it'll calm down. Fun while it lasts though - like watching the gladiators in Rome or bear baiting.
By bears you mean feminsts. It works every time.
Soon as you say something that hit a nerve, the insults and sarky comments fly. They can't have a decent conversation. And God forbid have a conversation with someone who does not conform to their twisted idea of what soceity should be like"Roar | |||
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" Would a wee blow job from a feminist with a butch hairdo make you less angry?
I like a butch haircut on a woman. Sexy.
I was being facetious
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"Gosh this is fun
Can anyone remember the original post?
It's the lockdown effect. Once everyone goes back IRL socialising it'll calm down. Fun while it lasts though - like watching the gladiators in Rome or bear baiting.
By bears you mean feminsts. It works every time.
Soon as you say something that hit a nerve, the insults and sarky comments fly. They can't have a decent conversation. And God forbid have a conversation with someone who does not conform to their twisted idea of what soceity should be like"You're more likely to be the 'bear' lol | |||
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" Would a wee blow job from a feminist with a butch hairdo make you less angry?
I like a butch haircut on a woman. Sexy.
I was being facetious
Again, you didn't even notice the actual intended humour in that guys post....."No, I really do find a butch haircut on a woman sexy. I love the shaved look.  | |||
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"Gosh this is fun
Can anyone remember the original post?
It's the lockdown effect. Once everyone goes back IRL socialising it'll calm down. Fun while it lasts though - like watching the gladiators in Rome or bear baiting.
By bears you mean feminsts. It works every time.
Soon as you say something that hit a nerve, the insults and sarky comments fly. They can't have a decent conversation. And God forbid have a conversation with someone who does not conform to their twisted idea of what soceity should be like
You're more likely to be the 'bear' lol"Owwww I wanted to be the bear | |||
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" That was humour. Could you also explain to him how a debate works? He seems to think that making statements without backing them up with any evidence when requested while shouting insults at anyone who disagrees with him is somehow 'winning the argument'. (and as he doesn't care about what people like me think of him, he won't be angered by this comment or feel the need to respond to it - obviously). You're right. I don't care what you think of me. And if you want so called evidence, I'm happy to discuss it. But I'm tired of this now. Have better things to do now. If you want an answer you can email me if it's really that important to you " Taking it private ruins the public exploration of the topic. When you have the time and energy perhaps you can illustrate your perspective with some examples to help us understand. | |||
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" That was humour. Could you also explain to him how a debate works? He seems to think that making statements without backing them up with any evidence when requested while shouting insults at anyone who disagrees with him is somehow 'winning the argument'. (and as he doesn't care about what people like me think of him, he won't be angered by this comment or feel the need to respond to it - obviously). You're right. I don't care what you think of me. And if you want so called evidence, I'm happy to discuss it. But I'm tired of this now. Have better things to do now. If you want an answer you can email me if it's really that important to you Taking it private ruins the public exploration of the topic. When you have the time and energy perhaps you can illustrate your perspective with some examples to help us understand." Sorry, not interested in wasting more time on this. Off to go chop some trees down then drink whiskey and smoke a cigar before I fuck my woman. Basically doing toxic musculine stuff. Might even sling a few water filled comdoms at soyboy amd BLM protesters depending on how much whiskey i drink | |||
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"Gosh this is fun
Can anyone remember the original post?
It's the lockdown effect. Once everyone goes back IRL socialising it'll calm down. Fun while it lasts though - like watching the gladiators in Rome or bear baiting.
By bears you mean feminsts. It works every time.
Soon as you say something that hit a nerve, the insults and sarky comments fly. They can't have a decent conversation. And God forbid have a conversation with someone who does not conform to their twisted idea of what soceity should be like
You're more likely to be the 'bear' lol
Owwww I wanted to be the bear "I'm happy to bait you....they used to make the bear wear a collar and leash  | |||
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" That was humour. Could you also explain to him how a debate works? He seems to think that making statements without backing them up with any evidence when requested while shouting insults at anyone who disagrees with him is somehow 'winning the argument'. (and as he doesn't care about what people like me think of him, he won't be angered by this comment or feel the need to respond to it - obviously). You're right. I don't care what you think of me. And if you want so called evidence, I'm happy to discuss it. But I'm tired of this now. Have better things to do now. If you want an answer you can email me if it's really that important to you Taking it private ruins the public exploration of the topic. When you have the time and energy perhaps you can illustrate your perspective with some examples to help us understand. Sorry, not interested in wasting more time on this. Off to go chop some trees down then drink whiskey and smoke a cigar before I fuck my woman. Basically doing toxic musculine stuff. Might even sling a few water filled comdoms at soyboy amd BLM protesters depending on how much whiskey i drink " I used to hate when my mates took the ball home before we’d finished playing footy. | |||
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"Gosh this is fun
Can anyone remember the original post?
It's the lockdown effect. Once everyone goes back IRL socialising it'll calm down. Fun while it lasts though - like watching the gladiators in Rome or bear baiting.
By bears you mean feminsts. It works every time.
Soon as you say something that hit a nerve, the insults and sarky comments fly. They can't have a decent conversation. And God forbid have a conversation with someone who does not conform to their twisted idea of what soceity should be like
You're more likely to be the 'bear' lol
Owwww I wanted to be the bear
I'm happy to bait you....they used to make the bear wear a collar and leash"Oooo! Can I get my own bear pit like in a Victorian Zoo!? | |||
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"Gosh this is fun
Can anyone remember the original post?
It's the lockdown effect. Once everyone goes back IRL socialising it'll calm down. Fun while it lasts though - like watching the gladiators in Rome or bear baiting.
By bears you mean feminsts. It works every time.
Soon as you say something that hit a nerve, the insults and sarky comments fly. They can't have a decent conversation. And God forbid have a conversation with someone who does not conform to their twisted idea of what soceity should be like
You're more likely to be the 'bear' lol
Owwww I wanted to be the bear
I'm happy to bait you....they used to make the bear wear a collar and leash
Oooo! Can I get my own bear pit like in a Victorian Zoo!? "I like the new take on the kink ....yes and a cage....I'll get my riding crop | |||
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"I just saw this phrase used in the forum and obviously we've all heard of it in the media or in some other respect. What are your thoughts on it? Personally, I do not like this phrase and it can get thrown at a lot of things without any real thought about what it means." . Only ever heard guys saying that. | |||
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