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over a year ago
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I am not sure if you follow coach gregg on youtube? He is very entertaining and funny and in this rant he had, here is the video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bhvFKVqZDTc
It was about weight watchers and how they are creating eating disorders with the point system by saying certain foods are bad and naughty. I agree with him that there are no bad or naughty food in that way, what are your view on it?  |
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I agree. Food isn’t bad, some choices can be bad.
Food isn’t a ‘treat’ either. You’re not a dog, so having a biscuit isn’t a treat. If you want a biscuit have a biscuit |
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"I agree. Food isn’t bad, some choices can be bad.
Food isn’t a ‘treat’ either. You’re not a dog, so having a biscuit isn’t a treat. If you want a biscuit have a biscuit"
I'd have to disagree with this to a certain extent. One because I've taught my kids that sweets, biscuit's, chocolate etc is a treat. If they are hungry they have proper food, if they want a treat, that's different but it is a treat. I wouldn't want them thinking it's okay to eat this stuff when they are hungry.
Also I've spent over half my life battling an eating disorder. Yes, it means I can have a very warped view on food but when I'm trying to be good and eat properly I still don't want my brain to be wired to think it's okay to go for a treat when I need to eat real food first. |
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There are many reasons people have eating disorders.
A lot of people have a complex relationship with food, not helped by western society's unhealthy view of "good" and "bad" foods.
WW and SW are part of that but not the cause of it.
You could ask do we give chocolates or cake as a birthday treat but not an apple?
Why do we look forward to a glass of wine at the end of a long day but not a carrot?
In our culture it's very much learned behaviour as to what is seen as a treat or a reward and what is not.
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"Yep there is no bad or naughty food, just gluttony.
Portion size is key "
You are right there, it is all about the portion size and the daily calories  |
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I really dislike this culture that's grown up around food labelling it naughty and inspiring guilt in people when they eat a cake. If I had a quid for every time someone says "ooo I've been naughty and eaten a cake" I could open a cake shop. |
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"I agree. Food isn’t bad, some choices can be bad.
Food isn’t a ‘treat’ either. You’re not a dog, so having a biscuit isn’t a treat. If you want a biscuit have a biscuit"
Yes and it is about food choices as well, they can a biscuit but a controlled amount of them |
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"I agree. Food isn’t bad, some choices can be bad.
Food isn’t a ‘treat’ either. You’re not a dog, so having a biscuit isn’t a treat. If you want a biscuit have a biscuit
I'd have to disagree with this to a certain extent. One because I've taught my kids that sweets, biscuit's, chocolate etc is a treat. If they are hungry they have proper food, if they want a treat, that's different but it is a treat. I wouldn't want them thinking it's okay to eat this stuff when they are hungry.
Also I've spent over half my life battling an eating disorder. Yes, it means I can have a very warped view on food but when I'm trying to be good and eat properly I still don't want my brain to be wired to think it's okay to go for a treat when I need to eat real food first. "
Agreed.
To me, chocolate, biscuits, sweets, these are treats.
I allow myself a dessert on a Sunday evening, beyond that, unless I'm doing something or with friends/family, I feel like I don't need treat foods.
I have a stash of shortbreads incase I want a biscuit with tea or coffee after work,but rarely dip into them. |
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My mum denies herself food that she likes because she thinks it somehow makes her a better person. To me that is one fucked up way of looking at food. At one time she was eating very little other than fish and potatoes. The list of food she would eat was easier to quote than the list she wouldn't. Also she's convinced that she can cure herself of the many things that are wrong with her by severely limiting her diet.
Interestingly when she suffered quite a bad head injury she forgot that certain food made her ill.
A lot of her problem is down to this idea that food is bad and only good people have their diet under control.
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"My mum denies herself food that she likes because she thinks it somehow makes her a better person. To me that is one fucked up way of looking at food. At one time she was eating very little other than fish and potatoes. The list of food she would eat was easier to quote than the list she wouldn't. Also she's convinced that she can cure herself of the many things that are wrong with her by severely limiting her diet.
Interestingly when she suffered quite a bad head injury she forgot that certain food made her ill.
A lot of her problem is down to this idea that food is bad and only good people have their diet under control.
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Yeah that's not good, theres a difference between goal driven discipline and punishment. I don't deprive myself cause when I did do that I caved bad |
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"My mum denies herself food that she likes because she thinks it somehow makes her a better person. To me that is one fucked up way of looking at food. At one time she was eating very little other than fish and potatoes. The list of food she would eat was easier to quote than the list she wouldn't. Also she's convinced that she can cure herself of the many things that are wrong with her by severely limiting her diet.
Interestingly when she suffered quite a bad head injury she forgot that certain food made her ill.
A lot of her problem is down to this idea that food is bad and only good people have their diet under control.
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You may see it as fucked up but it's actually quite common for people to be like that. I have a very bad relationship with food. I don't know your mum's reasoning behind hers but generally to the person doing it, it's very normal.
I spent about 3 months living on not much more than apples and coffee. I'll admit that was bad and I know that now but at the time it was fine to me. Having others tell me it was wrong actually didn't help, it just made me hide everything more. |
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"I really dislike this culture that's grown up around food labelling it naughty and inspiring guilt in people when they eat a cake. If I had a quid for every time someone says "ooo I've been naughty and eaten a cake" I could open a cake shop. "
Also the idea of "clean eating".. is the other food dirty then?
Just eat healthily. Stop with the weird labels. |
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"My mum denies herself food that she likes because she thinks it somehow makes her a better person. To me that is one fucked up way of looking at food. At one time she was eating very little other than fish and potatoes. The list of food she would eat was easier to quote than the list she wouldn't. Also she's convinced that she can cure herself of the many things that are wrong with her by severely limiting her diet.
Interestingly when she suffered quite a bad head injury she forgot that certain food made her ill.
A lot of her problem is down to this idea that food is bad and only good people have their diet under control.
You may see it as fucked up but it's actually quite common for people to be like that. I have a very bad relationship with food. I don't know your mum's reasoning behind hers but generally to the person doing it, it's very normal.
I spent about 3 months living on not much more than apples and coffee. I'll admit that was bad and I know that now but at the time it was fine to me. Having others tell me it was wrong actually didn't help, it just made me hide everything more. "
I've only ever asked her to consider eating more when it's clear that she's missing certain nutrients or she's becoming very thin. She's my mum, I respect her and I'd never tell her she's got a fucked up attitude to food
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"I really dislike this culture that's grown up around food labelling it naughty and inspiring guilt in people when they eat a cake. If I had a quid for every time someone says "ooo I've been naughty and eaten a cake" I could open a cake shop.
Also the idea of "clean eating".. is the other food dirty then?
Just eat healthily. Stop with the weird labels. "
It is if you eat it off the toned torso of a very fit young man dressed in salad oil  |
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Hmm. Having worked for them for over a year I know their plan and mission statement inside out. I wouldn't agree that they are trying to label foods as good and bad. The whole reason for their points based system is actually so that you can carry on eating treats and junk food but in moderation. By having a certain amount of points it programs you to make better choices over time as you can get a lot more points value from eating healthier foods. But they even have an optional weekly budget that you can set aside for treats, eating out, occasions etc and you can even earn points by exercising so that you can eat more of the chocolate, cake crisps etc. So no, I wouldn't say they are labelling foods but rather trying to promote a more balanced diet. |
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That being said, no I don't agree that there are naughty foods. It gets on my nerves when I hear people say things like "ooh I'm being so bad, I'll have to work twice as hard in the gym now". I'm sorry, did you think I was judging you? I literally didn't even notice you were eating a giant bowl of pasta til you just brought it up.
If you want the pasta just eat the fucking pasta. People need to stop trying to justify their entire existence. |
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I think it's hard. I think there's a lot of weird psychological shit around food that we accept as normal, and it can make it hard for us to make peace with our diets and our bodies. I don't think food has morality attached (outside choices around animal welfare/ farming practices/ food miles etc - I mean certain types of food being good or evil).
I think it's good to discuss and disentangle these, but might be challenging for those with sensitivities around food or eating disorders. |
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"I think it's hard. I think there's a lot of weird psychological shit around food that we accept as normal, and it can make it hard for us to make peace with our diets and our bodies. I don't think food has morality attached (outside choices around animal welfare/ farming practices/ food miles etc - I mean certain types of food being good or evil).
I think it's good to discuss and disentangle these, but might be challenging for those with sensitivities around food or eating disorders."
I agree. I think given the issues my mum has always had with food she did well to not pass them on to me or my siblings. Discussion is the way forward I think |
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"I agree. Food isn’t bad, some choices can be bad.
Food isn’t a ‘treat’ either. You’re not a dog, so having a biscuit isn’t a treat. If you want a biscuit have a biscuit"
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"That being said, no I don't agree that there are naughty foods. It gets on my nerves when I hear people say things like "ooh I'm being so bad, I'll have to work twice as hard in the gym now". I'm sorry, did you think I was judging you? I literally didn't even notice you were eating a giant bowl of pasta til you just brought it up.
If you want the pasta just eat the fucking pasta. People need to stop trying to justify their entire existence. "
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"I really dislike this culture that's grown up around food labelling it naughty and inspiring guilt in people when they eat a cake. If I had a quid for every time someone says "ooo I've been naughty and eaten a cake" I could open a cake shop.
Also the idea of "clean eating".. is the other food dirty then?
Just eat healthily. Stop with the weird labels.
It is if you eat it off the toned torso of a very fit young man dressed in salad oil "
 I approve of this 'dirty' idea. |
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"I really dislike this culture that's grown up around food labelling it naughty and inspiring guilt in people when they eat a cake. If I had a quid for every time someone says "ooo I've been naughty and eaten a cake" I could open a cake shop. "
That is right and same here, with the point system say for example a doughnut is 10 points and a healthier food have a lower lower number, it creates a unhealthy relationship with food,
that is why flexible dieting is a better approach as you could enjoy all the food groups |
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"I really dislike this culture that's grown up around food labelling it naughty and inspiring guilt in people when they eat a cake. If I had a quid for every time someone says "ooo I've been naughty and eaten a cake" I could open a cake shop. That is right and same here, with the point system say for example a doughnut is 10 points and a healthier food have a lower lower number, it creates a unhealthy relationship with food,
that is why flexible dieting is a better approach as you could enjoy all the food groups "
But the reason why the donut is 10 points is because it has less nutritional value. It's not trying to make you stop eating the donut altogether but rather make the appropriate choice. Say you only had 10 points left for the day but were still really hungry. Would you be better off using those points on one donut that will keep you full for 10 minutes or an entire meal full of vegetables and protein that will keep you full all night? It's still leaving the choice entirely up to you. |
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"I really dislike this culture that's grown up around food labelling it naughty and inspiring guilt in people when they eat a cake. If I had a quid for every time someone says "ooo I've been naughty and eaten a cake" I could open a cake shop. That is right and same here, with the point system say for example a doughnut is 10 points and a healthier food have a lower lower number, it creates a unhealthy relationship with food,
that is why flexible dieting is a better approach as you could enjoy all the food groups
But the reason why the donut is 10 points is because it has less nutritional value. It's not trying to make you stop eating the donut altogether but rather make the appropriate choice. Say you only had 10 points left for the day but were still really hungry. Would you be better off using those points on one donut that will keep you full for 10 minutes or an entire meal full of vegetables and protein that will keep you full all night? It's still leaving the choice entirely up to you. "
That is right it does leave it up to you too, lets say you have 200 points for the day, so by having 3 doughnuts doesnt leave you much more to have than that which is not an ideal scenario as you want to reach your other macronutrients goals like the protein carbs and the fats too. |
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"I really dislike this culture that's grown up around food labelling it naughty and inspiring guilt in people when they eat a cake. If I had a quid for every time someone says "ooo I've been naughty and eaten a cake" I could open a cake shop. That is right and same here, with the point system say for example a doughnut is 10 points and a healthier food have a lower lower number, it creates a unhealthy relationship with food,
that is why flexible dieting is a better approach as you could enjoy all the food groups
But the reason why the donut is 10 points is because it has less nutritional value. It's not trying to make you stop eating the donut altogether but rather make the appropriate choice. Say you only had 10 points left for the day but were still really hungry. Would you be better off using those points on one donut that will keep you full for 10 minutes or an entire meal full of vegetables and protein that will keep you full all night? It's still leaving the choice entirely up to you. That is right it does leave it up to you too, lets say you have 200 points for the day, so by having 3 doughnuts doesnt leave you much more to have than that which is not an ideal scenario as you want to reach your other macronutrients goals like the protein carbs and the fats too."
Exactly. This is why your points allowance goes down gradually as you lose weight. At first you will be able to get away with eating lots of donuts and still manage to lose weight but as you slim down and require less calories it would become wiser to start using those points on more balanced options instead so that you can still eat enough to feel satisfied. In that way you adjust your body and mind to a new way of eating slowly instead of just suddenly trying to cut the donuts out altogether. |
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"I really dislike this culture that's grown up around food labelling it naughty and inspiring guilt in people when they eat a cake. If I had a quid for every time someone says "ooo I've been naughty and eaten a cake" I could open a cake shop.
Also the idea of "clean eating".. is the other food dirty then?
Just eat healthily. Stop with the weird labels. "
Yes just eat healthy with no other labels attached to it like the weight watchers have done |
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