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By *teborah OP Couple
over a year ago
warrington |
Having watched a lot of tv over the jubilee holiday it is quite alarming how the "Patriotic" amongst us are ignorant to the fact that quite a number of them are flying the Union flag in a distressed manor (Upside down) and then calling it the Union jack, When it was raised above the Jack onboard the boats and vessels during the floatilla it was the Union Jack. but when it is waved on the streets and hoisted on land it is the union flag. You would think some tv presenters would know this wouldn't you  |
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A 1902 dictate from the Admiralty decreed that either name - Union Flag or Union Jack - could be used officially with no distinction made between the two.
The Cross of St. Andrew of Scotland always takes precendence of the Cross of St. Patrick of Ireland and as such the White Cross of St. Andrew should always be above the Red Cross of St. Patrick when _iewed at the upper corner attached to the flagpole. The Saltires then rotate in a pinwheel fashion to the right then down and across to the left where it rejoins the flagpole at bottom position. |
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By *teborah OP Couple
over a year ago
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"I can only ever remember being taught as a child that it was called the Union Jack,its only as an adult I know it as the Union Flag"
I know quite true. so what else have the lied to us about??  I was only told about this when i watched my son pass through HMS Raleigh |
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By *teborah OP Couple
over a year ago
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"A 1902 dictate from the Admiralty decreed that either name - Union Flag or Union Jack - could be used officially with no distinction made between the two.
The Cross of St. Andrew of Scotland always takes precendence of the Cross of St. Patrick of Ireland and as such the White Cross of St. Andrew should always be above the Red Cross of St. Patrick when _iewed at the upper corner attached to the flagpole. The Saltires then rotate in a pinwheel fashion to the right then down and across to the left where it rejoins the flagpole at bottom position."
Tell that to the staff at the navel training school in Torpoint Devon as they obviously are misinformed. |
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When the 'Union Jack' was first introduced in 1606, it was known simply as 'the British flag' or 'the flag of Britain', and was ordered to be flown at the main masthead of all ships, warships and merchant ships, of both England and Scotland.
The first use of the name 'Union' appears in 1625. There are various theories as how it became known as the 'Union Jack', but most of the evidence points to the name being derived from the use of the word 'jack' as a diminutive. This word was in use before 1600 to describe a small flag flown from the small mast mounted on the bowsprit, and by 1627 it appears that a small version of the Union flag was commonly flown in this position. For some years it was called just 'the Jack', or 'Jack flag', or 'the King's Jack', but by 1674, while formally referred to as 'His Majesty's Jack', it was commonly called the Union Jack, and this was officially acknowledged.
In the 18th century the small mast on the bowsprit was replaced by staysails on the stays between the bowsprit and the foremast. By this time the Ensign had become the principal naval distinguishing flag, so it became the practice to fly the Union Jack only in harbour, on a specially rigged staff in the bows of the ships, the jackstaff. It should thus be noted that the jack flag had existed for over a hundred and fifty years before the jack staff came into being, and its name was related to its size rather than to the position in which it was flown.
It is often stated that the Union Flag should only be described as the Union Jack when flown in the bows of a warship, but this is a relatively recent idea. From early in its life the Admiralty itself frequently referred to the flag as the Union Jack, whatever its use, and in 1902 an Admiralty Circular announced that Their Lordships had decided that either name could be used officially. Such use was given Parliamentary approval in 1908 when it was stated that "the Union Jack should be regarded as the National flag".
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A 1902 dictate from the Admiralty decreed that either name - Union Flag or Union Jack - could be used officially with no distinction made between the two.
The Cross of St. Andrew of Scotland always takes precendence of the Cross of St. Patrick of Ireland and as such the White Cross of St. Andrew should always be above the Red Cross of St. Patrick when _iewed at the upper corner attached to the flagpole. The Saltires then rotate in a pinwheel fashion to the right then down and across to the left where it rejoins the flagpole at bottom position.
Tell that to the staff at the navel training school in Torpoint Devon as they obviously are misinformed."
I can't comment on Torpoint Devon if some rookie has stuck it on upside down lol. You tell them. You're closer. |
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By *teborah OP Couple
over a year ago
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"A 1902 dictate from the Admiralty decreed that either name - Union Flag or Union Jack - could be used officially with no distinction made between the two.
The Cross of St. Andrew of Scotland always takes precendence of the Cross of St. Patrick of Ireland and as such the White Cross of St. Andrew should always be above the Red Cross of St. Patrick when _iewed at the upper corner attached to the flagpole. The Saltires then rotate in a pinwheel fashion to the right then down and across to the left where it rejoins the flagpole at bottom position.
Tell that to the staff at the navel training school in Torpoint Devon as they obviously are misinformed.
I can't comment on Torpoint Devon if some rookie has stuck it on upside down lol. You tell them. You're closer. "
What rookie?? I had a conversation with a training officer 8 years ago on the day my son passed through (Graduated) into the Royal Navy. he educated me in this matter about the Union flag/Jack and the mistake lots of people make regarding it being upside down, Why do i need to tell them because i'm closer  |
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By *teborah OP Couple
over a year ago
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"It was a joke. Who knows why Torpoint fly it in distress. Maybe the recruits were shit that year. "
It wasnt flown in distress. and the standard of the recruits are the same every 12 weeks not just once a year. |
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By *andKCouple
over a year ago
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"Having watched a lot of tv over the jubilee holiday it is quite alarming how the "Patriotic" amongst us are ignorant to the fact that quite a number of them are flying the Union flag in a distressed manor (Upside down) and then calling it the Union jack, When it was raised above the Jack onboard the boats and vessels during the floatilla it was the Union Jack. but when it is waved on the streets and hoisted on land it is the union flag. You would think some tv presenters would know this wouldn't you "
I've bored people sensless over the past few days pointing this out. It does appear a number of the BBC commentators have been told the correct name for our flag though and about time too! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It was a joke. Who knows why Torpoint fly it in distress. Maybe the recruits were shit that year.
It wasnt flown in distress. and the standard of the recruits are the same every 12 weeks not just once a year."
Nevermind. If Torpoint fly it any other way than the official way of flying it then they are flying it in distress.
Or maybe you should let us know what some sailor with a civilian audience told you 8 years ago. |
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By *teborah OP Couple
over a year ago
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"It was a joke. Who knows why Torpoint fly it in distress. Maybe the recruits were shit that year.
It wasnt flown in distress. and the standard of the recruits are the same every 12 weeks not just once a year.
Nevermind. If Torpoint fly it any other way than the official way of flying it then they are flying it in distress.
Or maybe you should let us know what some sailor with a civilian audience told you 8 years ago."
Not sure i will have to check on wikipedia. |
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By *teborah OP Couple
over a year ago
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"So flying it upside down means distress
I would prefer flares,noise and explosions to indicate distress and to attract attention "
But if lets say you had pirates on board? they might get upset if you started firing guns and setting flares when you want to attract the attention of other ships It is used in the distressed manor as a form of silent protest against the government. watch the Sex Pistols 1970s video of "God save the queen" |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So flying it upside down means distress
I would prefer flares,noise and explosions to indicate distress and to attract attention
But if lets say you had pirates on board? they might get upset if you started firing guns and setting flares when you want to attract the attention of other ships It is used in the distressed manor as a form of silent protest against the government. watch the Sex Pistols 1970s video of "God save the queen""
I do see your point and as I have a bit of a pirste fetish ill leave it the right way round for a while....well until id worn them all out
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Wales is not represented in the union jack flag"
The Flag of St David is not represented on the Union Flag as the "Union" is that of, first, England and Scotland and later on, England, Scotland and Ireland.
When the flag was devised, it was a union between England and Scotland and the flag incorporated the flags of St George of England and St Andrew of Scotland. Later, the flag of St Patrick was added on behalf of Ireland.
Wales was not put on as it had already been integrated into the constitutional body of England & Wales. Thus, they both came under the flag of England. Wales did, and still does, have its own unique flag which is one of the oldest national flags in the world. It was only in the last century or so that Wales became a legally defined geographical body.
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"Wales is not represented in the union jack flag
The Flag of St David is not represented on the Union Flag as the "Union" is that of, first, England and Scotland and later on, England, Scotland and Ireland.
When the flag was devised, it was a union between England and Scotland and the flag incorporated the flags of St George of England and St Andrew of Scotland. Later, the flag of St Patrick was added on behalf of Ireland.
Wales was not put on as it had already been integrated into the constitutional body of England & Wales. Thus, they both came under the flag of England. Wales did, and still does, have its own unique flag which is one of the oldest national flags in the world. It was only in the last century or so that Wales became a legally defined geographical body.
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Wales existed before England and used to include much of the western part of what is now England |
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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago
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Having watched a lot of tv over the jubilee holiday it is quite alarming how the "Patriotic" amongst us are ignorant to the fact that quite a number of them are flying the Union flag in a distressed manor (Upside down) and then calling it the Union jack, When it was raised above the Jack onboard the boats and vessels during the floatilla it was the Union Jack. but when it is waved on the streets and hoisted on land it is the union flag. You would think some tv presenters would know this wouldn't you
"I've bored people sensless over the past few days pointing this out. It does appear a number of the BBC commentators have been told the correct name for our flag though and about time too!"
I dont think they have yet been told that the queen of England is actualy the queen of united Kingdom though |
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