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Not a great fan of chicken anyway, but if I buy it, I buy decent stuff, not the shite own brand stuff that has only had so much free space to roam after it was butchered and killed.
Like most of our food products, meat especially, it is too cheap. But while people don't care about food standards (and farmers being ripped off by the supermarkets) it will continue to happen. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"Apparently it's safe as houses to eat but critics claim that animal rearing standards are compromised.
Would you eat it?
No. We wouldn't want to give Trump any satisfaction. "
Not sure it's got anything to do with Trump.. that's just how it's done over there.. |
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By *ljamMan
over a year ago
Edinburgh |
"So don't eat it. Buy your chicken that states it's British and has the red tractor symbol on it."
I guess the issue is it'll work it's way into food chain in other ways. If it's cheap enough then it'll pop up in other places like takeaways, ready meals etc.
Course the answer to that is don't eat takeaways etc. etc. but it's not a problem people should worry about. |
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"Apparently it's safe as houses to eat but critics claim that animal rearing standards are compromised.
Would you eat it?
No. We wouldn't want to give Trump any satisfaction.
Not sure it's got anything to do with Trump.. that's just how it's done over there.."
It's one of his conditions in a trade deal he wants to do with the UK. |
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"Apparently it's safe as houses to eat but critics claim that animal rearing standards are compromised.
Would you eat it?
No. We wouldn't want to give Trump any satisfaction. "
I think you need an hour off the MSM. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If people will eat shit like mc donald's and kfc they will have no problem eating cheap chicken. Id be more wary of polish beef now the stuff that goes on there is scary. Last year cows that couldn't walk were filmed being slaughtered and sent into the EU food chain and thats just the tip of the iceberg. |
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"Apparently it's safe as houses to eat but critics claim that animal rearing standards are compromised.
Would you eat it?"
it’s a bloody travesty that it will be allowed into this country at all. Just a quick google search of why the chicken is chlorinated will let you know why. |
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By *jonesMan
over a year ago
london |
"So don't eat it. Buy your chicken that states it's British and has the red tractor symbol on it."
The Americans also want no labelling of country of origin as part of the negotiations...if so it could end up in curries , sandwiches, etc etc and we would never know we were eating it ...if this happens I for one will be outside downing street with an inflatable chicken throwing nuggets ..  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If anyone is unsure, have a read about WHY it's chlorinated. It's disgusting.
Chlorine isn't the main issue, it's why they have to do it that is the hideous part. When I lived in America I saw it first hand and I never ate chicken again while I was there.
Same with their pork that will be flooding the UK market, full of chemicals that were previously banned here. |
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"Apparently it's safe as houses to eat but critics claim that animal rearing standards are compromised.
Would you eat it?
No. We wouldn't want to give Trump any satisfaction.
I think you need an hour off the MSM. "
Oh no! Have I read something from reputable journalists that doesn't align with Trump propaganda?! Let's call it fake then, instead of what it really is then - something that shows him negatively. That way we can live in denial and don't have to deal with it. It'smmuch easier than actually answering criticism.
If you have a demonstrably better source for accurate news then do let us know. |
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47440562
I think the figures on food poisoning speak for them selfs. The only reason the chlorinate chicken is because their pre slaughter hygiene standards are so very low very low. % of deaths from food poisoning across the US out strips most countries |
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By *jonesMan
over a year ago
london |
I have a friend that manages food factories and set up sandwich factories in the usa...they have something they called magic dust , a food preservative. They put in their sandwiches to give them a shelf life of many weeks ...needed for the long distribution times due to size of the country...Food quality in the USA is definitely, on average lower..less regulation, lower standards etc, they argue informed consumers can make their own choices...which is obviously nonsense unless you spend a lot of time researching ..most people would never bother... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I don't know much about it, but chlorine would probs blow off of any organic substance pretty quickly. Ppl love to scare others with stories of "chemicals" but I'm not too scurred myself......
Nobody ever seems to worry about the chlorine in the salt they throw on their chicken, innit.....    |
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By *jonesMan
over a year ago
london |
"I don't know much about it, but chlorine would probs blow off of any organic substance pretty quickly. Ppl love to scare others with stories of "chemicals" but I'm not too scurred myself......
Nobody ever seems to worry about the chlorine in the salt they throw on their chicken, innit..... "
Sodium and chlorine as separate elements are nothing like salt...try drinking hydrogen...which obviously makes up most of water. It would kill you...if you didn't explode ..  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I don't know much about it, but chlorine would probs blow off of any organic substance pretty quickly. Ppl love to scare others with stories of "chemicals" but I'm not too scurred myself......
Nobody ever seems to worry about the chlorine in the salt they throw on their chicken, innit.....
Sodium and chlorine as separate elements are nothing like salt...try drinking hydrogen...which obviously makes up most of water. It would kill you...if you didn't explode .. "
Are you a chemist? |
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By *jonesMan
over a year ago
london |
"I don't know much about it, but chlorine would probs blow off of any organic substance pretty quickly. Ppl love to scare others with stories of "chemicals" but I'm not too scurred myself......
Nobody ever seems to worry about the chlorine in the salt they throw on their chicken, innit.....
Sodium and chlorine as separate elements are nothing like salt...try drinking hydrogen...which obviously makes up most of water. It would kill you...if you didn't explode ..
Are you a chemist?"
I have a masters degree in combustion chemistry but I'm not a chemist.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's just that I actually am. I was pointing out how public see the word chlorine and think barrel bomb...
I think they just think crap quality...I do anyway..."
Perhaps you do, because you are fortunate in that you can make an informed decision based on your knowledge and studies. Others aren't so fortunate and it becomes a Brexit issue rather than a knowledge issue with glow in the dark chicken memes, innit... |
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I think people are missing the point a little bit here, if I may say.
Chlorine isn’t really the problem, it’s used in an appropriate way for our benefit in many situations.
The fact that it needs to be used means the chicken bodies are muckier than they should be which means the welfare levels the chickens haven’t been as high as they should. |
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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago
All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest |
Absolutely not. Fortunately the EU also prohibits the sale of beef raised on recombinant bovine growth hormone as well 
If that crap is ever brought here, people should demand it's labeled so i'll know what to avoid. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think people are missing the point a little bit here, if I may say.
Chlorine isn’t really the problem, it’s used in an appropriate way for our benefit in many situations.
The fact that it needs to be used means the chicken bodies are muckier than they should be which means the welfare levels the chickens haven’t been as high as they should. "
Hallelujah! If only ppl got that - why even mention chlorine, why not just say lower welfare standard? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"If anyone is unsure, have a read about WHY it's chlorinated. It's disgusting.
Chlorine isn't the main issue, it's why they have to do it that is the hideous part. When I lived in America I saw it first hand and I never ate chicken again while I was there.
Same with their pork that will be flooding the UK market, full of chemicals that were previously banned here. "
Well actually the chlorine is there to cover up two different things....
The lower standard of food hygiene.... and the fact that in the US it is legal to feed chickens antibiotics as part of the process so they don’t lose as much stock thru illness....
The reason why the EU doesn’t allow this into the human food system is the theory that if you are eating things with antibiotics in it, when you do actually need the stuff it becomes less effective as you grow an immunity to it |
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By *jonesMan
over a year ago
london |
"It's just that I actually am. I was pointing out how public see the word chlorine and think barrel bomb...
I think they just think crap quality...I do anyway...
Perhaps you do, because you are fortunate in that you can make an informed decision based on your knowledge and studies. Others aren't so fortunate and it becomes a Brexit issue rather than a knowledge issue with glow in the dark chicken memes, innit... "
I think the knowledge makes it a Brexit issue, you dont need to be an expert I think , it's widely accepted, indeed the Americans will say it, they have a different regime for controlling food standards, less regulation and a reliance on consumer information and the threat of legal action if someone is hurt etc .. to motivate them to maintain standards..
Culturally we just want something better ...I hope.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No I woudlnt, but if the uk get a deal with the usa, uk would get them as the standards will drop as they dont have the same quality checks as the eu have. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Pretty soon we could be flooded with it..
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If no-one buys it...as is our choice....then they will soon stop wasting money on bringing it in. Simples!
Think of how many brands etc have fallen out of favour and simply disappeared.
The whole argument is a non-starter. |
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"No I woudlnt, but if the uk get a deal with the usa, uk would get them as the standards will drop as they dont have the same quality checks as the eu have."
We have been eating chlorinated salad in this country for years but some people prefer to ignore that because it does no good to their political agenda.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Pretty soon we could be flooded with it..
If no-one buys it...as is our choice....then they will soon stop wasting money on bringing it in. Simples!
Think of how many brands etc have fallen out of favour and simply disappeared.
The whole argument is a non-starter."
Tru dat |
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"Pretty soon we could be flooded with it..
If no-one buys it...as is our choice....then they will soon stop wasting money on bringing it in. Simples!
Think of how many brands etc have fallen out of favour and simply disappeared.
The whole argument is a non-starter.
Tru dat "
But we will all carry on eating chlorinated salad and say absolutely nothing? This seams to be a familiar pattern over the years with people ignoring certain stuff because it does their cause no good.  |
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By *opinovMan
over a year ago
Point Nemo, Cumbria |
If you try to tell us that it's fine to eat chlorinated chicken from the US because tap water is chlorinated, then you have totally missed the point of why it needs to be chlorinated in the first place.
Would you eat a chlorinated turd? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Absolutely not. Fortunately the EU also prohibits the sale of beef raised on recombinant bovine growth hormone as well
If that crap is ever brought here, people should demand it's labeled so i'll know what to avoid."
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By *jonesMan
over a year ago
london |
"Pretty soon we could be flooded with it..
If no-one buys it...as is our choice....then they will soon stop wasting money on bringing it in. Simples!
Think of how many brands etc have fallen out of favour and simply disappeared.
The whole argument is a non-starter."
When you buy a preprepsred meal, a sandwich, kebab,restaurant you have no idea where the chicken comes from..this is why not having labels of origin is in the negotiating table..you will not be able to choose as you simply wont know...unless you avoid all chicken except where you can buy in the butchers etc ...its a very strong arguement...the choice argument is nonsense I think, certainly in the usa, the information is poor, there is loads of advertising to tempt you, it's very cheap and the consumer unknowkegeable...and just used to crap standards of food quality.. |
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"Apparently it's safe as houses to eat but critics claim that animal rearing standards are compromised.
Would you eat it?"
You're next thread should be about chlorinated salad we have been eating for many years? But I think you will brush over that one? |
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"Pretty soon we could be flooded with it..
If no-one buys it...as is our choice....then they will soon stop wasting money on bringing it in. Simples!
Think of how many brands etc have fallen out of favour and simply disappeared.
The whole argument is a non-starter.
Tru dat But we will all carry on eating chlorinated salad and say absolutely nothing? This seams to be a familiar pattern over the years with people ignoring certain stuff because it does their cause no good. "
chlorinated salad is not the same at all |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The USA despite boasting about its so called standards is far below those of the UK and EU. GM crops are grown freely and fed to animals and as food for humans with no labeling, steroids to promote muscle gain are freely allowed and along with antibiotics at higher dosages than allowed here.
The chlorination is used as a2 fold check. One most American chickens arent tested for salmonella.. and the regulations for food prep industries is far lower..so they chlorinated it to kill any surface bacteria it can pick up in dirty food prep |
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"Apparently it's safe as houses to eat but critics claim that animal rearing standards are compromised.
Would you eat it?"
There's chlorine in drinking water. Don't see the difference to be honest? Am i missing something? |
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By *jonesMan
over a year ago
london |
"Apparently it's safe as houses to eat but critics claim that animal rearing standards are compromised.
Would you eat it?
There's chlorine in drinking water. Don't see the difference to be honest? Am i missing something?"
I think you are..see above |
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By *opinovMan
over a year ago
Point Nemo, Cumbria |
"Apparently it's safe as houses to eat but critics claim that animal rearing standards are compromised.
Would you eat it?
There's chlorine in drinking water. Don't see the difference to be honest? Am i missing something?"
Too fucking right you are..!! |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Apparently it's safe as houses to eat but critics claim that animal rearing standards are compromised.
Would you eat it?
There's chlorine in drinking water. Don't see the difference to be honest? Am i missing something?"
Yes... the antibiotics! It’s kinda a biggie |
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"Apparently it's safe as houses to eat but critics claim that animal rearing standards are compromised.
Would you eat it?
There's chlorine in drinking water. Don't see the difference to be honest? Am i missing something?"
Yes we all no how stringent the Eu are! We're we not getting horse meat a few years ago from France? |
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"Apparently it's safe as houses to eat but critics claim that animal rearing standards are compromised.
Would you eat it?
There's chlorine in drinking water. Don't see the difference to be honest? Am i missing something?
Yes... the antibiotics! It’s kinda a biggie"
Why? |
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"Apparently it's safe as houses to eat but critics claim that animal rearing standards are compromised.
Would you eat it?
There's chlorine in drinking water. Don't see the difference to be honest? Am i missing something?
Yes... the antibiotics! It’s kinda a biggie
Why? "
yes it’s nothing to actually do with chlorinating the chickens it’s the reason for having to do it. Basically the US food hygiene standards are so low they have to do it as basically all
If the chickens are diseased |
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"Pretty soon we could be flooded with it..
If no-one buys it...as is our choice....then they will soon stop wasting money on bringing it in. Simples!
Think of how many brands etc have fallen out of favour and simply disappeared.
The whole argument is a non-starter.
Tru dat But we will all carry on eating chlorinated salad and say absolutely nothing? This seams to be a familiar pattern over the years with people ignoring certain stuff because it does their cause no good. chlorinated salad is not the same at all"
Obvsiouly it isn't! It does your cause no good at all does it? |
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By *ljamMan
over a year ago
Edinburgh |
"Apparently it's safe as houses to eat but critics claim that animal rearing standards are compromised.
Would you eat it?
There's chlorine in drinking water. Don't see the difference to be honest? Am i missing something? Yes we all no how stringent the Eu are! We're we not getting horse meat a few years ago from France? "
The difference being that the horsemeat scandal showed companies operating illegally. That's why it was a scandal. It's not that the EU doesn't have standards, it's that those standards were being broken.
But that aside, you definitely are missing something. It's a point that's been made various times in the thread. The chicken is being chlorinated because the hygiene standards in the raising of the poultry is lower. It's emblematic of the poor animal care and hygiene standards which typify US factory farming. |
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"Apparently it's safe as houses to eat but critics claim that animal rearing standards are compromised.
Would you eat it?
There's chlorine in drinking water. Don't see the difference to be honest? Am i missing something?
Yes... the antibiotics! It’s kinda a biggie
Why? yes it’s nothing to actually do with chlorinating the chickens it’s the reason for having to do it. Basically the US food hygiene standards are so low they have to do it as basically all
If the chickens are diseased "
Is this why all the Americans are dead now? I wondered what had killed them. |
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"Apparently it's safe as houses to eat but critics claim that animal rearing standards are compromised.
Would you eat it?
There's chlorine in drinking water. Don't see the difference to be honest? Am i missing something?
Yes... the antibiotics! It’s kinda a biggie
Why? yes it’s nothing to actually do with chlorinating the chickens it’s the reason for having to do it. Basically the US food hygiene standards are so low they have to do it as basically all
If the chickens are diseased
Is this why all the Americans are dead now? I wondered what had killed them. "
there food poisoning and death from food poisoning levels are higher than pretty much rest of the world
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I posted about this in a separate thread previously, I'll just paste again:
Yep, the food deal is opening the UK up to pretty bad stuff:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/09/boris-johnson-trade-deal-us-chlorinated-chicken
(Open in incognito/private browser to avoid sign-up if prompted).
It'll be the NHS after that. Still, those claps will probably help.
To summarize that article:
The trade deal will allow substandard/dangerous food into the UK.
Our own local standards will drop to compete.
The bill will also make it illegal to label these differences on packaging.
We’re ‘compensating’ by adding tariffs to the imports.
But these will be dropped within a decade.
The trade bill is exempt from parliamentary scrutiny or voting.
The deal will likely be enforced by an offshore tribunal.
That means the UK can be sued.
Food standards are step one in this plan, the NHS is likely next.
*Starts slow clapping* |
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"Apparently it's safe as houses to eat but critics claim that animal rearing standards are compromised.
Would you eat it?
There's chlorine in drinking water. Don't see the difference to be honest? Am i missing something? Yes we all no how stringent the Eu are! We're we not getting horse meat a few years ago from France?
The difference being that the horsemeat scandal showed companies operating illegally. That's why it was a scandal. It's not that the EU doesn't have standards, it's that those standards were being broken.
But that aside, you definitely are missing something. It's a point that's been made various times in the thread. The chicken is being chlorinated because the hygiene standards in the raising of the poultry is lower. It's emblematic of the poor animal care and hygiene standards which typify US factory farming. "
No I can quite clearly see the agenda being set! And the tons of chlorinated salad we eat every year? |
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"Pretty soon we could be flooded with it..
If no-one buys it...as is our choice....then they will soon stop wasting money on bringing it in. Simples!
Think of how many brands etc have fallen out of favour and simply disappeared.
The whole argument is a non-starter.
When you buy a preprepsred meal, a sandwich, kebab,restaurant you have no idea where the chicken comes from..this is why not having labels of origin is in the negotiating table..you will not be able to choose as you simply wont know...unless you avoid all chicken except where you can buy in the butchers etc ...its a very strong arguement...the choice argument is nonsense I think, certainly in the usa, the information is poor, there is loads of advertising to tempt you, it's very cheap and the consumer unknowkegeable...and just used to crap standards of food quality.. "
Do you not think restaurants and takeaways could use the fact that they only use british or EU meat as a selling point? It would be quite funny for a british chicken chain to overtake kfc as it promised to only use british chicken. I think as selling point, though its by no means unique but it is certainly strong. |
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By *ljamMan
over a year ago
Edinburgh |
"Apparently it's safe as houses to eat but critics claim that animal rearing standards are compromised.
Would you eat it?
There's chlorine in drinking water. Don't see the difference to be honest? Am i missing something? Yes we all no how stringent the Eu are! We're we not getting horse meat a few years ago from France?
The difference being that the horsemeat scandal showed companies operating illegally. That's why it was a scandal. It's not that the EU doesn't have standards, it's that those standards were being broken.
But that aside, you definitely are missing something. It's a point that's been made various times in the thread. The chicken is being chlorinated because the hygiene standards in the raising of the poultry is lower. It's emblematic of the poor animal care and hygiene standards which typify US factory farming. No I can quite clearly see the agenda being set! And the tons of chlorinated salad we eat every year? "
Hahaha this must be what? The fourth time you've brought up chlorinated salad? Like a dog with a chlorinated bone!
No agenda, just pointing out the US have lower food standards than the EU |
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"Apparently it's safe as houses to eat but critics claim that animal rearing standards are compromised.
Would you eat it?
There's chlorine in drinking water. Don't see the difference to be honest? Am i missing something? Yes we all no how stringent the Eu are! We're we not getting horse meat a few years ago from France?
The difference being that the horsemeat scandal showed companies operating illegally. That's why it was a scandal. It's not that the EU doesn't have standards, it's that those standards were being broken.
But that aside, you definitely are missing something. It's a point that's been made various times in the thread. The chicken is being chlorinated because the hygiene standards in the raising of the poultry is lower. It's emblematic of the poor animal care and hygiene standards which typify US factory farming. No I can quite clearly see the agenda being set! And the tons of chlorinated salad we eat every year? "
Hmm. Premade salad comes with stronger risks of contamination and food poisoning. Chlorine isn't by itself the devil, it's what's behind it.
Reducing the risks of salads that carry unacceptably high risks of food poisoning but are otherwise safe? Probably good.
Concealing the dangers of lower food and animal welfare standards? Probably bad.
Apples and oranges. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Apparently it's safe as houses to eat but critics claim that animal rearing standards are compromised.
Would you eat it?
There's chlorine in drinking water. Don't see the difference to be honest? Am i missing something? Yes we all no how stringent the Eu are! We're we not getting horse meat a few years ago from France?
The difference being that the horsemeat scandal showed companies operating illegally. That's why it was a scandal. It's not that the EU doesn't have standards, it's that those standards were being broken.
But that aside, you definitely are missing something. It's a point that's been made various times in the thread. The chicken is being chlorinated because the hygiene standards in the raising of the poultry is lower. It's emblematic of the poor animal care and hygiene standards which typify US factory farming. No I can quite clearly see the agenda being set! And the tons of chlorinated salad we eat every year? "
You are not listening... it’s not the chlorine as such! It the process for why it is washed in chlorine to cover up that is the issue |
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"Apparently it's safe as houses to eat but critics claim that animal rearing standards are compromised.
Would you eat it?
There's chlorine in drinking water. Don't see the difference to be honest? Am i missing something? Yes we all no how stringent the Eu are! We're we not getting horse meat a few years ago from France?
The difference being that the horsemeat scandal showed companies operating illegally. That's why it was a scandal. It's not that the EU doesn't have standards, it's that those standards were being broken.
But that aside, you definitely are missing something. It's a point that's been made various times in the thread. The chicken is being chlorinated because the hygiene standards in the raising of the poultry is lower. It's emblematic of the poor animal care and hygiene standards which typify US factory farming. No I can quite clearly see the agenda being set! And the tons of chlorinated salad we eat every year?
You are not listening... it’s not the chlorine as such! It the process for why it is washed in chlorine to cover up that is the issue "
Sometimes it does seem like "not getting it" is a tactic. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"At the end of day the chicken will end up in where? Pies? KFC? Cat food? How about take responsibility for your intake of shit food. Buy British."
 and eat Frey Bentos, Pot noodle and Greg's?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It’s not for me quite picky what I put in my mouth. Has anyone seen the chickens in a can that fall out in jelly like dog food.... raaallph "
most stuff on the shelves these day is a "product". If it didnt exist 150 years ago I'm dubious! |
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"At the end of day the chicken will end up in where? Pies? KFC? Cat food? How about take responsibility for your intake of shit food. Buy British. and eat Frey Bentos, Pot noodle and Greg's? "
Good point, they deserve all they get. |
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By *ljamMan
over a year ago
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"It's almost as if we have no personal choice in what we eat these days, and no scientific and regulatory experts.... "
Yeah, because who cares about enforcing food hygiene standards and factory farms where the conditions are so bad that the US department of agriculture ignores concerns about faecal contamination to the point they get sued by a doctors group... |
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"It's almost as if we have no personal choice in what we eat these days, and no scientific and regulatory experts....
Yeah, because who cares about enforcing food hygiene standards and factory farms where the conditions are so bad that the US department of agriculture ignores concerns about faecal contamination to the point they get sued by a doctors group... "
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By *ljamMan
over a year ago
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"It's almost as if we have no personal choice in what we eat these days, and no scientific and regulatory experts....
Yeah, because who cares about enforcing food hygiene standards and factory farms where the conditions are so bad that the US department of agriculture ignores concerns about faecal contamination to the point they get sued by a doctors group...
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"Apparently it's safe as houses to eat but critics claim that animal rearing standards are compromised.
Would you eat it?
There's chlorine in drinking water. Don't see the difference to be honest? Am i missing something? Yes we all no how stringent the Eu are! We're we not getting horse meat a few years ago from France?
The difference being that the horsemeat scandal showed companies operating illegally. That's why it was a scandal. It's not that the EU doesn't have standards, it's that those standards were being broken.
But that aside, you definitely are missing something. It's a point that's been made various times in the thread. The chicken is being chlorinated because the hygiene standards in the raising of the poultry is lower. It's emblematic of the poor animal care and hygiene standards which typify US factory farming. No I can quite clearly see the agenda being set! And the tons of chlorinated salad we eat every year?
Hahaha this must be what? The fourth time you've brought up chlorinated salad? Like a dog with a chlorinated bone!
No agenda, just pointing out the US have lower food standards than the EU "
Looking forward to my chlrorinated chicken! It will go very nicely with my chlrorinated salad and then washed down with a nice cup of tea! Made with my chlorinated tap water ofcourse! Non of that bottled shite for us! Yes that's the fifth time now? But I was'nt counting. |
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"It's almost as if we have no personal choice in what we eat these days, and no scientific and regulatory experts.... "
Perhaps personal choice is constrained by the regulatory environment in which our choices are found, and scientific and regulatory experts make pronouncements within the environment they find themselves? And the bigger choices around regulation and (dare I say it) public health are sometimes made for political reasons that don't align with what's in the best interest of citizens? |
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By *ljamMan
over a year ago
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"Apparently it's safe as houses to eat but critics claim that animal rearing standards are compromised.
Would you eat it?
There's chlorine in drinking water. Don't see the difference to be honest? Am i missing something? Yes we all no how stringent the Eu are! We're we not getting horse meat a few years ago from France?
The difference being that the horsemeat scandal showed companies operating illegally. That's why it was a scandal. It's not that the EU doesn't have standards, it's that those standards were being broken.
But that aside, you definitely are missing something. It's a point that's been made various times in the thread. The chicken is being chlorinated because the hygiene standards in the raising of the poultry is lower. It's emblematic of the poor animal care and hygiene standards which typify US factory farming. No I can quite clearly see the agenda being set! And the tons of chlorinated salad we eat every year?
Hahaha this must be what? The fourth time you've brought up chlorinated salad? Like a dog with a chlorinated bone!
No agenda, just pointing out the US have lower food standards than the EU Looking forward to my chlrorinated chicken! It will go very nicely with my chlrorinated salad and then washed down with a nice cup of tea! Made with my chlorinated tap water ofcourse! Non of that bottled shite for us! Yes that's the fifth time now? But I was'nt counting. "
Sounds like a delicious meal feed but may I suggest skipping the tap water and taking a ladle to your local swimming pool for a maximum hit?  |
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"It's almost as if we have no personal choice in what we eat these days, and no scientific and regulatory experts....
Perhaps personal choice is constrained by the regulatory environment in which our choices are found, and scientific and regulatory experts make pronouncements within the environment they find themselves? And the bigger choices around regulation and (dare I say it) public health are sometimes made for political reasons that don't align with what's in the best interest of citizens?"
So instead if legislation and regulation we could hold a referendum maybe, innit...
Seems odd to me that ppl on a sex site forum should dictate what we eat in preference to food scientists and industry experts. At the end of it all we all use our own hands to eat, so we choose from whatever choice there is, however limited that is. You could also argue there are clearly ppl in this thread who would demand their "right"to eat chlorinated chicken too, so how would that work when some ppl don't want it in the country? I think there are plenty of problems in the world lately without creating more....
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"So don't eat it. Buy your chicken that states it's British and has the red tractor symbol on it."
Not as simple as that, apparently USA want all these measures removed from packaging to give their crap chicken the best possible chance on the shelf!
It is going to be an absolute minefield. |
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"Apparently it's safe as houses to eat but critics claim that animal rearing standards are compromised.
Would you eat it?
There's chlorine in drinking water. Don't see the difference to be honest? Am i missing something? Yes we all no how stringent the Eu are! We're we not getting horse meat a few years ago from France?
The difference being that the horsemeat scandal showed companies operating illegally. That's why it was a scandal. It's not that the EU doesn't have standards, it's that those standards were being broken.
But that aside, you definitely are missing something. It's a point that's been made various times in the thread. The chicken is being chlorinated because the hygiene standards in the raising of the poultry is lower. It's emblematic of the poor animal care and hygiene standards which typify US factory farming. No I can quite clearly see the agenda being set! And the tons of chlorinated salad we eat every year?
Hahaha this must be what? The fourth time you've brought up chlorinated salad? Like a dog with a chlorinated bone!
No agenda, just pointing out the US have lower food standards than the EU Looking forward to my chlrorinated chicken! It will go very nicely with my chlrorinated salad and then washed down with a nice cup of tea! Made with my chlorinated tap water ofcourse! Non of that bottled shite for us! Yes that's the fifth time now? But I was'nt counting.
Sounds like a delicious meal feed but may I suggest skipping the tap water and taking a ladle to your local swimming pool for a maximum hit? "
Excellent idea! The hubby says he's off down there in the morning with a couple of old rusty jerry cans. x |
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American = chicken - fat - trump - sexists - racist - corrupt - "dirty chemicals" = me no buy your dirty racists chicken shit! And that's not political at all.....?
.....could always start instead by saying "hey friendly American dudes, let's be friends, could you please look after your animals better and then we'd love the eat them more often".... Why not come at it from a positive and inclusive angle? |
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"It's almost as if we have no personal choice in what we eat these days, and no scientific and regulatory experts....
Perhaps personal choice is constrained by the regulatory environment in which our choices are found, and scientific and regulatory experts make pronouncements within the environment they find themselves? And the bigger choices around regulation and (dare I say it) public health are sometimes made for political reasons that don't align with what's in the best interest of citizens?
So instead if legislation and regulation we could hold a referendum maybe, innit...
Seems odd to me that ppl on a sex site forum should dictate what we eat in preference to food scientists and industry experts. At the end of it all we all use our own hands to eat, so we choose from whatever choice there is, however limited that is. You could also argue there are clearly ppl in this thread who would demand their "right"to eat chlorinated chicken too, so how would that work when some ppl don't want it in the country? I think there are plenty of problems in the world lately without creating more....
Unpopular as ever, I do realise.... "
Or maybe adults are having a conversation and throwing ideas around, on a forum? That some may take to a more appropriate venue, that some might read and think about?
I'm not saying that No 10 should listen to Fab. I'm saying these are, so far as I can see, the realities of the situation. The fact that I'm saying it here doesn't mean it carries any less weight than if I were saying it on (fictional as far as I know) fabseriouspolitics dot com. |
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"It's almost as if we have no personal choice in what we eat these days, and no scientific and regulatory experts....
Perhaps personal choice is constrained by the regulatory environment in which our choices are found, and scientific and regulatory experts make pronouncements within the environment they find themselves? And the bigger choices around regulation and (dare I say it) public health are sometimes made for political reasons that don't align with what's in the best interest of citizens?
So instead if legislation and regulation we could hold a referendum maybe, innit...
Seems odd to me that ppl on a sex site forum should dictate what we eat in preference to food scientists and industry experts. At the end of it all we all use our own hands to eat, so we choose from whatever choice there is, however limited that is. You could also argue there are clearly ppl in this thread who would demand their "right"to eat chlorinated chicken too, so how would that work when some ppl don't want it in the country? I think there are plenty of problems in the world lately without creating more....
Unpopular as ever, I do realise....
Or maybe adults are having a conversation and throwing ideas around, on a forum? That some may take to a more appropriate venue, that some might read and think about?
I'm not saying that No 10 should listen to Fab. I'm saying these are, so far as I can see, the realities of the situation. The fact that I'm saying it here doesn't mean it carries any less weight than if I were saying it on (fictional as far as I know) fabseriouspolitics dot com."
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By *ljamMan
over a year ago
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"American = chicken - fat - trump - sexists - racist - corrupt - "dirty chemicals" = me no buy your dirty racists chicken shit! And that's not political at all.....?
.....could always start instead by saying "hey friendly American dudes, let's be friends, could you please look after your animals better and then we'd love the eat them more often".... Why not come at it from a positive and inclusive angle? "
I wouldn't want low-hygiene chicken if Obama or anyone else is in charge.
This isn't about political alignment. I wouldn't care who's in the Whitehouse or Downing Street here. It's about the UK actively dropping standards. Right now we don't allow this stuff in our markets.
I say again, last year a doctors group sued the US body who oversees farming standards (USDA) because that body would do nothing about faecal contamination in American meat. The USDA argued that "fecal contamination is a visible defect only". So I guess that means they encourage people to keep their eyes closed and keep eating crap! Not me thanks |
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"American = chicken - fat - trump - sexists - racist - corrupt - "dirty chemicals" = me no buy your dirty racists chicken shit! And that's not political at all.....?
.....could always start instead by saying "hey friendly American dudes, let's be friends, could you please look after your animals better and then we'd love the eat them more often".... Why not come at it from a positive and inclusive angle?
I wouldn't want low-hygiene chicken if Obama or anyone else is in charge.
This isn't about political alignment. I wouldn't care who's in the Whitehouse or Downing Street here. It's about the UK actively dropping standards. Right now we don't allow this stuff in our markets.
I say again, last year a doctors group sued the US body who oversees farming standards (USDA) because that body would do nothing about faecal contamination in American meat. The USDA argued that "fecal contamination is a visible defect only". So I guess that means they encourage people to keep their eyes closed and keep eating crap! Not me thanks "
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"American = chicken - fat - trump - sexists - racist - corrupt - "dirty chemicals" = me no buy your dirty racists chicken shit! And that's not political at all.....?
.....could always start instead by saying "hey friendly American dudes, let's be friends, could you please look after your animals better and then we'd love the eat them more often".... Why not come at it from a positive and inclusive angle?
I wouldn't want low-hygiene chicken if Obama or anyone else is in charge.
This isn't about political alignment. I wouldn't care who's in the Whitehouse or Downing Street here. It's about the UK actively dropping standards. Right now we don't allow this stuff in our markets.
I say again, last year a doctors group sued the US body who oversees farming standards (USDA) because that body would do nothing about faecal contamination in American meat. The USDA argued that "fecal contamination is a visible defect only". So I guess that means they encourage people to keep their eyes closed and keep eating crap! Not me thanks "
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We all keep coming back to the same points without listening to others. When did sterilised shit ever kill anyone? The flesh itself presents more of an issue for bacterial growth as it ages surely? If a product is safe and minimal cruelty took place in its production (I say minimal because it involves rearing an animal in unnatural conditions to kill it prematurely), however unpalatable it might sound to some, it should be an option if some ppl would like to consume it....
It's as if none of you folks drive or smoke or drink alcohol or take drugs and medicines or do anything else through personal and hard fought for choice and freedoms that could be damaging to your health.... |
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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago
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"American = chicken - fat - trump - sexists - racist - corrupt - "dirty chemicals" = me no buy your dirty racists chicken shit! And that's not political at all.....?
.....could always start instead by saying "hey friendly American dudes, let's be friends, could you please look after your animals better and then we'd love the eat them more often".... Why not come at it from a positive and inclusive angle?
I wouldn't want low-hygiene chicken if Obama or anyone else is in charge.
This isn't about political alignment. I wouldn't care who's in the Whitehouse or Downing Street here. It's about the UK actively dropping standards. Right now we don't allow this stuff in our markets.
I say again, last year a doctors group sued the US body who oversees farming standards (USDA) because that body would do nothing about faecal contamination in American meat. The USDA argued that "fecal contamination is a visible defect only". So I guess that means they encourage people to keep their eyes closed and keep eating crap! Not me thanks
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It's a well known fact that american regulatory standards are not impartial and have been captured by special interest lobbying. Be it the USDA, FDA, EPA , FCC, or FAA.
That makes me suspicious of everything they approve of as "safe". |
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There's a reason European standards are higher than most countries. It's not done for the fun of it.
I have an issue with factory farming as it is. Considering the way American farms do it, i'm even less inclined to fund such practices. |
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"There's a reason European standards are higher than most countries. It's not done for the fun of it.
I have an issue with factory farming as it is. Considering the way American farms do it, i'm even less inclined to fund such practices."
It seems Brexit, for better or worse, puts us in a regulatory vacuum. I hope this isn't used to reduce our standards, but I fear that's exactly where we're going. |
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over a year ago
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"There's a reason European standards are higher than most countries. It's not done for the fun of it.
I have an issue with factory farming as it is. Considering the way American farms do it, i'm even less inclined to fund such practices.
It seems Brexit, for better or worse, puts us in a regulatory vacuum. I hope this isn't used to reduce our standards, but I fear that's exactly where we're going."
It's a double-edged sword. Brexit hands the power to make these decisions back to us. There's nothing in Brexit itself which says we should compromise standards. That's the choice of the Tories, and right now they're not up to it. We've got some of the worst people in charge at a time when we really need the best. |
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"There's a reason European standards are higher than most countries. It's not done for the fun of it.
I have an issue with factory farming as it is. Considering the way American farms do it, i'm even less inclined to fund such practices.
It seems Brexit, for better or worse, puts us in a regulatory vacuum. I hope this isn't used to reduce our standards, but I fear that's exactly where we're going.
It's a double-edged sword. Brexit hands the power to make these decisions back to us. There's nothing in Brexit itself which says we should compromise standards. That's the choice of the Tories, and right now they're not up to it. We've got some of the worst people in charge at a time when we really need the best. "
Hmm. I think we're in a weakened position to set our own standards by going it alone. And this is a Tory led and shaped Brexit. I was a lot less informed at the time of the referendum, but I voted Remain first and foremost because it seemed to me that the Leave side were fundamentally dishonest. |
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I work in agriculture and we are justifiably proud of the higher standards we operate too, brought about in no small part to the pressure and lobbying of consumer groups.
We feel it would be utter madness to surrender this advantage in trade negotiations. It’s not just animal welfare but traceability and accountability of how we operate and what we apply to crops and cattle in general.
Nothing good will come from lowering our standards to appease others be it America or anyone else.
I would be happy to raise our standards higher than EU and then tell them to step up. |
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By *ljamMan
over a year ago
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"There's a reason European standards are higher than most countries. It's not done for the fun of it.
I have an issue with factory farming as it is. Considering the way American farms do it, i'm even less inclined to fund such practices.
It seems Brexit, for better or worse, puts us in a regulatory vacuum. I hope this isn't used to reduce our standards, but I fear that's exactly where we're going.
It's a double-edged sword. Brexit hands the power to make these decisions back to us. There's nothing in Brexit itself which says we should compromise standards. That's the choice of the Tories, and right now they're not up to it. We've got some of the worst people in charge at a time when we really need the best.
Hmm. I think we're in a weakened position to set our own standards by going it alone. And this is a Tory led and shaped Brexit. I was a lot less informed at the time of the referendum, but I voted Remain first and foremost because it seemed to me that the Leave side were fundamentally dishonest."
Agree with all of this. |
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
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"No, animal standards in USA are disgusting, the stuff should even be allowed here as it goes against our food standards.
What about USA vegetables and fruit ?"
As bad as their meat
Very dangerous,proven, pesticides used that are banned in eu |
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I don't agree with most factory farming, whether it be chicks, cattle, pigs, lambs.
I'm not totally read up on this, but a lot of livestock is pumped with antibiotics and other stuff to boost growth. I lasted less than half a day at an abattoir, as thought the "process" was horrible. That's why I prefer to shoot. Failing that, have friends that butcher on farm also. |
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
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"I work in agriculture and we are justifiably proud of the higher standards we operate too, brought about in no small part to the pressure and lobbying of consumer groups.
We feel it would be utter madness to surrender this advantage in trade negotiations. It’s not just animal welfare but traceability and accountability of how we operate and what we apply to crops and cattle in general.
Nothing good will come from lowering our standards to appease others be it America or anyone else.
I would be happy to raise our standards higher than EU and then tell them to step up. "
Great post
And a great offer Brexit plan
Unfortunately he's going the opposite way |
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
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"I don't agree with most factory farming, whether it be chicks, cattle, pigs, lambs.
I'm not totally read up on this, but a lot of livestock is pumped with antibiotics and other stuff to boost growth. I lasted less than half a day at an abattoir, as thought the "process" was horrible. That's why I prefer to shoot. Failing that, have friends that butcher on farm also. "
If you thought an abbatoir with EU standards were bad the US version is absolutely disgusting
They allow twicevas much pus,yes pus,in their milk and infected meat
Plus they allow sickeningly high amounts of rat hair,rat shit,rodent carcasses and lots of other shit
And thats their standards,they don't test half as much as we do so most products don't even meet those standards
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Yes.
Its meat.
If you care for animal welfare then you cant really eat meat.
If you eat meat because little chick lived his short life in an open field ,that just saves your conscience.
Results is still the same.
Get slaughtered and rolled in breadcrumbs.
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over a year ago
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"Yes.
Its meat.
If you care for animal welfare then you cant really eat meat.
If you eat meat because little chick lived his short life in an open field ,that just saves your conscience.
Results is still the same.
Get slaughtered and rolled in breadcrumbs.
Nomnom."
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"I don't agree with most factory farming, whether it be chicks, cattle, pigs, lambs.
I'm not totally read up on this, but a lot of livestock is pumped with antibiotics and other stuff to boost growth. I lasted less than half a day at an abattoir, as thought the "process" was horrible. That's why I prefer to shoot. Failing that, have friends that butcher on farm also.
If you thought an abbatoir with EU standards were bad the US version is absolutely disgusting
They allow twicevas much pus,yes pus,in their milk and infected meat
Plus they allow sickeningly high amounts of rat hair,rat shit,rodent carcasses and lots of other shit
And thats their standards,they don't test half as much as we do so most products don't even meet those standards
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I can only imagine, and the thought is absolutely sickening. Yes we have better standards, but I didn't like the actual process of truck loads of animals being led single file... Then you can imagine the rest.
When I have hunted or fished, I've always been mindful of what I am doing, and always thabkful for the sustenance it will give me and my family, and think this is far more humane than mass produced meat.
If I was in America, I'd probably live off elk, deer etc. |
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If it reduces food costs for those in need of “cheap protein” then so be it.... let’s be honest it’s not ideal but it is safe to eat.
It would be different if this was only fit for animal feed and we were asking people to eat it.
I have had no complaints about the food I’ve eaten in the US.... tbh it sounds a lot worse than it probably is. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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"If people are worried then just buy British.....America might not want to have their products labelled where they are from but most British products are proud to display "
If I was a poultry farmer I would be getting labels made up saying in big letters NOT CHLORINATED!
I probably wouldn't buy chicken from the U.S. (Or most other countries) as I dislike the idea of the environmental impact incurred transporting them plus also other countries don't have the same animal welfare standards.
Although the chlorination process doesn't really worry me as such, I'd eat American chicken in the USA with no real worries. |
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
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"If people are worried then just buy British.....America might not want to have their products labelled where they are from but most British products are proud to display "
What are you going to do when you eat out?
School dinners?
Hospitals?
When your kids visit other kids?
As it is,you know all those are safe
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
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Those products proudly marked British now will be eventually still proudly marked British but will be produced by big US corporate food Inc to US standards
British farmers mostly won't be able to compete
Once let in,big US corp.will buy up farms and push small UK farmers out
The dollar always wins |
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
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"If people are worried then just buy British.....America might not want to have their products labelled where they are from but most British products are proud to display
If I was a poultry farmer I would be getting labels made up saying in big letters NOT CHLORINATED!
I probably wouldn't buy chicken from the U.S. (Or most other countries) as I dislike the idea of the environmental impact incurred transporting them plus also other countries don't have the same animal welfare standards.
Although the chlorination process doesn't really worry me as such, I'd eat American chicken in the USA with no real worries."
You are literally saying you are happy to eat shit
And rat shit at that
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Some interesting thoughts.... This is, as some people like to keep reminding us a swinging site. Some on this site are already breaking the rules and meeting up and swapping body fluids with complete strangers, putting cocks and pussies in mouths and for the bareback lovers out there...
So I'm thinking, what's behind the tagline of this thread? Is it that we need to be more mindful of our health and what we put in our mouths?
I'm no fan of factory farming techniques, but some things we have no control over. What we choose to put in our mouths is very much in our control. |
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over a year ago
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"If people are worried then just buy British.....America might not want to have their products labelled where they are from but most British products are proud to display
If I was a poultry farmer I would be getting labels made up saying in big letters NOT CHLORINATED!
I probably wouldn't buy chicken from the U.S. (Or most other countries) as I dislike the idea of the environmental impact incurred transporting them plus also other countries don't have the same animal welfare standards.
Although the chlorination process doesn't really worry me as such, I'd eat American chicken in the USA with no real worries.
You are literally saying you are happy to eat shit
And rat shit at that
Mind boggling"
So where does this rat shit come into this? More tabloid scaremongering??
If US chicken is so bad how come so many people (Americans and tourists alike) haven't been taken ill?
The USA has a well funded department of Agriculture and one of the highest qualities of life. I doubt this would be possible if their food was so unhygenic?
Also, do you question where your cheap chicken currently comes from? Those supermarket meal deal sandwiches mainly contain chicken imported from Thailand. I wonder how their farming compares with a first world country's? |
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
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"If people are worried then just buy British.....America might not want to have their products labelled where they are from but most British products are proud to display
If I was a poultry farmer I would be getting labels made up saying in big letters NOT CHLORINATED!
I probably wouldn't buy chicken from the U.S. (Or most other countries) as I dislike the idea of the environmental impact incurred transporting them plus also other countries don't have the same animal welfare standards.
Although the chlorination process doesn't really worry me as such, I'd eat American chicken in the USA with no real worries.
You are literally saying you are happy to eat shit
And rat shit at that
Mind boggling
So where does this rat shit come into this? More tabloid scaremongering??
If US chicken is so bad how come so many people (Americans and tourists alike) haven't been taken ill?
The USA has a well funded department of Agriculture and one of the highest qualities of life. I doubt this would be possible if their food was so unhygenic?
Also, do you question where your cheap chicken currently comes from? Those supermarket meal deal sandwiches mainly contain chicken imported from Thailand. I wonder how their farming compares with a first world country's?"
They do be taken I'll
Food poisoning is multiples of what it is here
The rat shit comes from rats and it is allowed by their standards.fact
Like I said you seem to be happy to eat shit so Boris is doing good for you |
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"Not a great fan of chicken anyway, but if I buy it, I buy decent stuff, not the shite own brand stuff that has only had so much free space to roam after it was butchered and killed.
Like most of our food products, meat especially, it is too cheap. But while people don't care about food standards (and farmers being ripped off by the supermarkets) it will continue to happen."
How much room does a chicken need to roam after it’s butchered and killed? |
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