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Very good friend of mine who is a male muslim has suddenly found religion and is now a devout Muslim the change in him is extremely scary he’s praying all day long because he’s been told he’s gotta catch up from birth to his 38 years age now he’s telling me about how the planet was made 2000 years ago dinosaurs evolution is a lie etc he’s been completely brain washed and I’m scared and deeply worried about him |
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As long as they're are not causing any harm does it matter? Although understand your concerns, my friend from school brought up a Christian converted to islam and I was a bit worried initially. But this was about 10 years ago and she's still practicing and though we don't agree religiously, she's still the same person I knew as a teenager. |
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"If you fear he's being radicalised there are organisations you can contact I think. If he's just decided to become a devout Muslim then leave him to it. "
I'd go with this advice.. |
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"Worried about him rather than concerned it’s such a change in personality he’s a level headed ex soldier and now I’m not sure "
Has something happened to him recently that's made him question his life/choices/ etc? |
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"As long as they're are not causing any harm does it matter? Although understand your concerns, my friend from school brought up a Christian converted to islam and I was a bit worried initially. But this was about 10 years ago and she's still practicing and though we don't agree religiously, she's still the same person I knew as a teenager. "
How does one define harm though ??
I feel it could be articulated that the mind concluding the planet is less than 5000 years old is indeed very damaging
I'd suggest it could be termed harmful if an indoctrinated thought process prohibits other beneficial thought processes???
At what point do those above suggesting
"Let them believe absolutely anything "
Feel school and education is utterly needless ?
Why could I not believe all education is pointless and that children will be perfecty happy watching net flix
At what degree of rejection of education is valid and what is not ? |
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"As long as they're are not causing any harm does it matter? Although understand your concerns, my friend from school brought up a Christian converted to islam and I was a bit worried initially. But this was about 10 years ago and she's still practicing and though we don't agree religiously, she's still the same person I knew as a teenager.
How does one define harm though ??
I feel it could be articulated that the mind concluding the planet is less than 5000 years old is indeed very damaging
I'd suggest it could be termed harmful if an indoctrinated thought process prohibits other beneficial thought processes???
At what point do those above suggesting
"Let them believe absolutely anything "
Feel school and education is utterly needless ?
Why could I not believe all education is pointless and that children will be perfecty happy watching net flix
At what degree of rejection of education is valid and what is not ? "
If OP's friend was forcing his kids to watch nextflix and not go to school then the responses might be different, but she didn't say he was....
Plenty of peaceful Muslims around from my experience....  |
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"Worried about him rather than concerned it’s such a change in personality he’s a level headed ex soldier and now I’m not sure "
OK would you be worried about him if he believed some of the conspiracy theories currently being circulated? |
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"As long as they're are not causing any harm does it matter? Although understand your concerns, my friend from school brought up a Christian converted to islam and I was a bit worried initially. But this was about 10 years ago and she's still practicing and though we don't agree religiously, she's still the same person I knew as a teenager.
How does one define harm though ??
I feel it could be articulated that the mind concluding the planet is less than 5000 years old is indeed very damaging
I'd suggest it could be termed harmful if an indoctrinated thought process prohibits other beneficial thought processes???
At what point do those above suggesting
"Let them believe absolutely anything "
Feel school and education is utterly needless ?
Why could I not believe all education is pointless and that children will be perfecty happy watching net flix
At what degree of rejection of education is valid and what is not ? "
I know a very devout Catholic who believes that the earth isn't old, yet they hold a PhD in genetics. They've caused me no harm and have not harmed others. Both have learnt the science of things but they choose to believe their religions views. That is their personal choice, to deny them that choice is a form of harm is it not? |
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"As long as they're are not causing any harm does it matter? Although understand your concerns, my friend from school brought up a Christian converted to islam and I was a bit worried initially. But this was about 10 years ago and she's still practicing and though we don't agree religiously, she's still the same person I knew as a teenager.
How does one define harm though ??
I feel it could be articulated that the mind concluding the planet is less than 5000 years old is indeed very damaging
I'd suggest it could be termed harmful if an indoctrinated thought process prohibits other beneficial thought processes???
At what point do those above suggesting
"Let them believe absolutely anything "
Feel school and education is utterly needless ?
Why could I not believe all education is pointless and that children will be perfecty happy watching net flix
At what degree of rejection of education is valid and what is not ?
If OP's friend was forcing his kids to watch nextflix and not go to school then the responses might be different, but she didn't say he was....
Plenty of peaceful Muslims around from my experience.... "
I was not suggesting Islam is not peaceful
I was suggesting that believing un truths about our planet maybe |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As long as they're are not causing any harm does it matter? Although understand your concerns, my friend from school brought up a Christian converted to islam and I was a bit worried initially. But this was about 10 years ago and she's still practicing and though we don't agree religiously, she's still the same person I knew as a teenager.
How does one define harm though ??
I feel it could be articulated that the mind concluding the planet is less than 5000 years old is indeed very damaging
I'd suggest it could be termed harmful if an indoctrinated thought process prohibits other beneficial thought processes???
At what point do those above suggesting
"Let them believe absolutely anything "
Feel school and education is utterly needless ?
Why could I not believe all education is pointless and that children will be perfecty happy watching net flix
At what degree of rejection of education is valid and what is not ?
If OP's friend was forcing his kids to watch nextflix and not go to school then the responses might be different, but she didn't say he was....
Plenty of peaceful Muslims around from my experience....
I was not suggesting Islam is not peaceful
I was suggesting that believing un truths about our planet maybe "
So you're suggesting Islam is the truth then?  |
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"As long as they're are not causing any harm does it matter? Although understand your concerns, my friend from school brought up a Christian converted to islam and I was a bit worried initially. But this was about 10 years ago and she's still practicing and though we don't agree religiously, she's still the same person I knew as a teenager.
How does one define harm though ??
I feel it could be articulated that the mind concluding the planet is less than 5000 years old is indeed very damaging
I'd suggest it could be termed harmful if an indoctrinated thought process prohibits other beneficial thought processes???
At what point do those above suggesting
"Let them believe absolutely anything "
Feel school and education is utterly needless ?
Why could I not believe all education is pointless and that children will be perfecty happy watching net flix
At what degree of rejection of education is valid and what is not ?
I know a very devout Catholic who believes that the earth isn't old, yet they hold a PhD in genetics. They've caused me no harm and have not harmed others. Both have learnt the science of things but they choose to believe their religions views. That is their personal choice, to deny them that choice is a form of harm is it not? "
Really they honestly achieved a PhD in genetics
Would have loved to read the thesis where it debates how genetics are used to date the evolutionary timeline
???
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"As long as they're are not causing any harm does it matter? Although understand your concerns, my friend from school brought up a Christian converted to islam and I was a bit worried initially. But this was about 10 years ago and she's still practicing and though we don't agree religiously, she's still the same person I knew as a teenager.
How does one define harm though ??
I feel it could be articulated that the mind concluding the planet is less than 5000 years old is indeed very damaging
I'd suggest it could be termed harmful if an indoctrinated thought process prohibits other beneficial thought processes???
At what point do those above suggesting
"Let them believe absolutely anything "
Feel school and education is utterly needless ?
Why could I not believe all education is pointless and that children will be perfecty happy watching net flix
At what degree of rejection of education is valid and what is not ?
If OP's friend was forcing his kids to watch nextflix and not go to school then the responses might be different, but she didn't say he was....
Plenty of peaceful Muslims around from my experience....
I was not suggesting Islam is not peaceful
I was suggesting that believing un truths about our planet maybe
So you're suggesting Islam is the truth then? "
Think all I was suggesting is it is a debatable muse that it could be considered harm if a brain reasons despite overwhelming data that the planet is less than 5000 years old
And that the mind set that restricts the reasoning may harm other helpful thought processes
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"As long as they're are not causing any harm does it matter? Although understand your concerns, my friend from school brought up a Christian converted to islam and I was a bit worried initially. But this was about 10 years ago and she's still practicing and though we don't agree religiously, she's still the same person I knew as a teenager.
How does one define harm though ??
I feel it could be articulated that the mind concluding the planet is less than 5000 years old is indeed very damaging
I'd suggest it could be termed harmful if an indoctrinated thought process prohibits other beneficial thought processes???
At what point do those above suggesting
"Let them believe absolutely anything "
Feel school and education is utterly needless ?
Why could I not believe all education is pointless and that children will be perfecty happy watching net flix
At what degree of rejection of education is valid and what is not ?
I know a very devout Catholic who believes that the earth isn't old, yet they hold a PhD in genetics. They've caused me no harm and have not harmed others. Both have learnt the science of things but they choose to believe their religions views. That is their personal choice, to deny them that choice is a form of harm is it not?
Really they honestly achieved a PhD in genetics
Would have loved to read the thesis where it debates how genetics are used to date the evolutionary timeline
???
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Why so confrontational? Everyone's belief system is different and personal. I know plenty of people who have religious beliefs and have science PhDs. Humans are complex and beautiful things. Just because it doesn't work for you doesn't mean it doesn't work for others. |
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If he is content in his decision and is telling you that he is now happy in life... then that’s his choice in life, I wouldn’t worry, if he holds radical views then there are organisations out there that can help. |
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"Very good friend of mine who is a male muslim has suddenly found religion and is now a devout Muslim the change in him is extremely scary he’s praying all day long because he’s been told he’s gotta catch up from birth to his 38 years age now he’s telling me about how the planet was made 2000 years ago dinosaurs evolution is a lie etc he’s been completely brain washed and I’m scared and deeply worried about him "
I mean if he believes the world is 2000 years old then hes wrong on both the scientific and Islamic front |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Very good friend of mine who is a male muslim has suddenly found religion and is now a devout Muslim the change in him is extremely scary he’s praying all day long because he’s been told he’s gotta catch up from birth to his 38 years age now he’s telling me about how the planet was made 2000 years ago dinosaurs evolution is a lie etc he’s been completely brain washed and I’m scared and deeply worried about him
I mean if he believes the world is 2000 years old then hes wrong on both the scientific and Islamic front"
I was wondering this, creationist Islamism is new to me... but it could happen... I thought Islam was the one that revered science... |
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"Very good friend of mine who is a male muslim has suddenly found religion and is now a devout Muslim the change in him is extremely scary he’s praying all day long because he’s been told he’s gotta catch up from birth to his 38 years age now he’s telling me about how the planet was made 2000 years ago dinosaurs evolution is a lie etc he’s been completely brain washed and I’m scared and deeply worried about him
I mean if he believes the world is 2000 years old then hes wrong on both the scientific and Islamic front
I was wondering this, creationist Islamism is new to me... but it could happen... I thought Islam was the one that revered science..."
It certainly exists. |
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"Very good friend of mine who is a male muslim has suddenly found religion and is now a devout Muslim the change in him is extremely scary he’s praying all day long because he’s been told he’s gotta catch up from birth to his 38 years age now he’s telling me about how the planet was made 2000 years ago dinosaurs evolution is a lie etc he’s been completely brain washed and I’m scared and deeply worried about him "
That's religion for you! All common sense goes straight out the window  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Very good friend of mine who is a male muslim has suddenly found religion and is now a devout Muslim the change in him is extremely scary he’s praying all day long because he’s been told he’s gotta catch up from birth to his 38 years age now he’s telling me about how the planet was made 2000 years ago dinosaurs evolution is a lie etc he’s been completely brain washed and I’m scared and deeply worried about him
I mean if he believes the world is 2000 years old then hes wrong on both the scientific and Islamic front
I was wondering this, creationist Islamism is new to me... but it could happen... I thought Islam was the one that revered science...
It certainly exists."
Seems logical considering the other two monotheisms have their fundamentalist factions. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I do smile when I hear all belief systems should be respected and therefore not open to challenge. Thereby challenging the belief that it is perfectly ok to challenge beliefs that can be disconfirmed through evidence.
I respect that everyone can have their views and at the same time think critical reasoning can help us to see alternative perspectives that have more explanatory power. If we just accept beliefs without challenge we will be forever lost in the flatland of relativistic, aperspectival madness. |
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It usually passes after couple of years if he is using religion to overcome something that devastated him recently. Some people have an inclination, feeling of belonging or expecting a higher power to help them out. If that’s the case, I would leave him be. Praying is not something you should be worry about!
However, if you think he is radicalised, I’d get support from helplines x |
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"Very good friend of mine who is a male muslim has suddenly found religion and is now a devout Muslim the change in him is extremely scary he’s praying all day long because he’s been told he’s gotta catch up from birth to his 38 years age now he’s telling me about how the planet was made 2000 years ago dinosaurs evolution is a lie etc he’s been completely brain washed and I’m scared and deeply worried about him "
In this matter if that’s what he believes then leave him to his belief.. if he doesn’t believe dinosaurs existed then that’s up to him... if he believes there is a superior being in the sky then that’s up to him... if he believes in aliens then that’s up to him...
Aslong as he doesn’t want to harm anyone, each to their own. |
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There are a lot of sects within religion... and each one has its own school of thought... religion is more complicated than just calling it one name “Islam” as there are religions within religions. |
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