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"Who else agrees with this, that we and all living things are a product of a higher force that we cant understand? There was an interesting discussion about it in the other thread about god too." You can only agree with it if you believe in god..and I don't | |||
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"Did you not get the answers from the thread you did on God yesterday ? " Yes and no, but it would be good with more input on it as well. | |||
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"Who else agrees with this, that we and all living things are a product of a higher force that we cant understand? There was an interesting discussion about it in the other thread about god too. You can only agree with it if you believe in god..and I don't " ^ What she said  | |||
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"I have never seen any evidence that a "higher power" exists, so I don't have any belief in one. Until then I remain open to evidence. Luke " Exactly. So far iny life I've besn told to believe in Father Christmas, the Tooth Fairy and God, and two out of those three have already been proven to be a lie  | |||
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"Nope I'm the product of a sperm finding it's way to an egg plain and simple Imaginary (in my opinion) higher beings had nothing whatsoever to do with my existence " You cannot prove that. | |||
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"Religion - probably the biggest con ever invented and the source of many things that are wrong in the world today." Indeed. An organisation designed to stop the great unwashed thinking for themselves and control group behaviour. Almost the Twitter of its time | |||
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"Who else agrees with this, that we and all living things are a product of a higher force that we cant understand? There was an interesting discussion about it in the other thread about god too." My personal opinion on religion is: In the beginning people believed in gods of Sun, Moon, weather etc.. because it was obvious that these things influenced their food supply and if they froze to death in the winter. Then came "organised religion" where rules were created and threats of "A Vengeful God" were used to control the masses whilst theme religious leaders lived in luxury tended by slaves. Over time, the organisation behind the religions became less "regal" and tried to be more pious and the sell on religion became more about "after death" bonuses rather than being stuck down... the carrot replacing the stick to control the masses. Over more time, people started to question more and some find that belief in an invisible man living in the sky a little too far fetched, while others feel that "knowing" that you continue to "be" after you have died a HUGE comfort and choose to believe because the thought of "total nothingness" when you die is scary. So in current times, less than half of the uk population say they believe in any sort of god or spirit, but others still seek the calming notion that there is something after death. Me personally... I believe it's all just too silly. Cal | |||
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"Who else agrees with this, that we and all living things are a product of a higher force that we cant understand? There was an interesting discussion about it in the other thread about god too." No, read some Dawkins and Hitchens but before you do read Charles Darwins On the Origin of Species. We are nothing but an advanced primate and when we die we rot like everything else. There is no God, Allah, Buddha or any of the other 1000's of Gods that man has created over the centuries. | |||
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"Who else agrees with this, that we and all living things are a product of a higher force that we cant understand? There was an interesting discussion about it in the other thread about god too." I agree some have better understanding than others. Some time lack of understanding can lead to complete denial and ignorance. I also believe we are judged only by our good and bad intentions and deeds. Any thoughts on this ???  | |||
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"Nope I'm the product of a sperm finding it's way to an egg plain and simple Imaginary (in my opinion) higher beings had nothing whatsoever to do with my existence You cannot prove that. " He doesn't have to, if you claim that God exists then the burden of proof lies with you. Athiesm makes no claim, its simply the position that there is no evidence for god | |||
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"Nope I'm the product of a sperm finding it's way to an egg plain and simple Imaginary (in my opinion) higher beings had nothing whatsoever to do with my existence You cannot prove that. " The first part I absolutely can - if it didn't happen that way I was an immaculate conception and therefore miracle and claim my reward 
The second part I don't have to prove - it's my opinion, and besides as someone already said the burden of proof doesn't lie with me to prove something, I don't believe exists, exists | |||
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"Who else agrees with this, that we and all living things are a product of a higher force that we cant understand? There was an interesting discussion about it in the other thread about god too." Yes i am an angel but i have lost my halo  | |||
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"Who else agrees with this, that we and all living things are a product of a higher force that we cant understand? There was an interesting discussion about it in the other thread about god too." Ahh I love semantics What is a higher force ? A force is what we defines accelerates mass Higher well g is around 9.8 Higher than what ? I feel I could articulate how indeed much of the universe and its organic content have indeed evolved due to a great deal of forces of differing magnitudes I see zero data to suggest a higher force is more beneficial to evolutionary processes than a variety of smaller forces I may suggest if the force were too high it would just annihilate all matter I also see zero data to suggest any forces also hold sentience So to sum up Yes I'm certain everything is the product of forces (plural) I have zero idea what forces have to do with the human invention of God though | |||
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"Who else agrees with this, that we and all living things are a product of a higher force that we cant understand? There was an interesting discussion about it in the other thread about god too. No, read some Dawkins and Hitchens but before you do read Charles Darwins On the Origin of Species. We are nothing but an advanced primate and when we die we rot like everything else. There is no God, Allah, Buddha or any of the other 1000's of Gods that man has created over the centuries. "Although as Dawkins once said, the only justifiable position he could take as a scientist is to be agnostic on God. No-one can prove or disprove this. Everyone has beliefs and religion is the organisation of belief. Of course, a religious belief isn't necessarily about God. A person can be quite religious about their position on race, Christians, Islam and many other issues without worrying about evidence! | |||
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"Who else agrees with this, that we and all living things are a product of a higher force that we cant understand? There was an interesting discussion about it in the other thread about god too. Yes i am an angel but i have lost my halo "I thought you were using it as an ankle bracelet? | |||
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"Who else agrees with this, that we and all living things are a product of a higher force that we cant understand? There was an interesting discussion about it in the other thread about god too." Does your 'god' have a name? Or is it just a vague higher force? Because you imply monotheism, you probably mean Jahweh / Jehovah / Allah depending on which prophet you prefer. | |||
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"No. God doesn't exist." prove that! | |||
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"No. God doesn't exist. prove that!" There's not a single credible shred of evidence to prove a God exists beyond any reasonable doubt - that in itself is proof enough to me - and until I am presented with hard evidence to prove me wrong (which hasn't been done in thousands of years) then my view remains. What I do believe exists is a level of faith that *some* people have in an omnipotent entity which they use for guidance, comfort and support and if it provides them that then I'm not about to knock or disrespect that faith, but personally I don't have that belief or see any proof of "God" being anything more than a human construct designed to both control and provide guidance. | |||
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"Nah. I prefer to think that the atoms that make up my body are the same as the ones that make up the grass, the trees, the moon and the stars. God isn’t half as interesting. " That would be my view God as a concept is pretty bland compared to the cosmos as observed without the creation concept | |||
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"Nah. I prefer to think that the atoms that make up my body are the same as the ones that make up the grass, the trees, the moon and the stars. God isn’t half as interesting. " We are all made of star stuff | |||
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"Who else agrees with this, that we and all living things are a product of a higher force that we cant understand? There was an interesting discussion about it in the other thread about god too." We are a product of evolution...that should be the end of the discussion imo.. Next you'll be telling us the earth is flat ffs | |||
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"Nah. I prefer to think that the atoms that make up my body are the same as the ones that make up the grass, the trees, the moon and the stars. God isn’t half as interesting. We are all made of star stuff "Yep, which is why I'm asking the OP if God started the big bang off... | |||
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"Why did God make vertebrate eyes with a blind spot but not those of cephalopods?" I look forward to the Ops reply. | |||
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"Nothing can make me believe in an invisible Man in the sky but as for an afterlife I guess we will all find out eventually, maybe our consciousness goes on after we die?" No. Consciousness is the product if the electrical activity in our brain, in the same way that the picture on a TV screen is electrical activity, remove the electrical activity and the screen goes blank | |||
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"Nah. I prefer to think that the atoms that make up my body are the same as the ones that make up the grass, the trees, the moon and the stars. God isn’t half as interesting. We are all made of star stuff " I hope that was a Babylon 5 reference  | |||
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"Nah. I prefer to think that the atoms that make up my body are the same as the ones that make up the grass, the trees, the moon and the stars. God isn’t half as interesting. We are all made of star stuff
I hope that was a Babylon 5 reference " | |||
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"I don't believe in God as depicted in the various monotheistic religions nor in the gods of polytheistic ones. I do however believe that the universe is too remarkable a creation to be the consequence of a random occurrence. There are too many observations that have been made through mathematics that point to intelligent design. Call it god if you will or something else, but something it is." If you subscribe to the many universes theory, which has a lot of support, then the conditions that exist in our universe are not only possible randomly, they are in fact inevitable | |||
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"I don't believe in God as depicted in the various monotheistic religions nor in the gods of polytheistic ones. I do however believe that the universe is too remarkable a creation to be the consequence of a random occurrence. There are too many observations that have been made through mathematics that point to intelligent design. Call it god if you will or something else, but something it is." Ultimate 747 If you cannot grasp that anything complex can evolve fro. The simple via evolutionary pathways How on earth can you conclude the ultimate 747 a being of such complexity can occur without itself being comprehensively designed The argument is always a circular regression that is senseless At best humanity was designed by a complex enterty which had evolved ie an alien but once we factor that we accept complexity can occur without design the creator just vanishes as needless x | |||
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"I try to use logic, reason and critical thinking before I believe most anything i hear and having done so i find no evidence to suggest god exists. Although being open minded i can't rule it out either no matter how unlikely i think it is. "Yes. The more extraordinary the claim the more extraordinary the evidence required. I won't say never but... Probably not. As far as I can see it's all just an accident, give or take. | |||
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"I am a 6.9 on the Dawkins scale, technically agnostic but a defacto athiest. The origin of the universe post big bang is explained by science, however as the causation of the big bang cannot yet be explained there is at least a miniscule chance that it was 'caused' into existance, so I must concede that there may have been a creator. But, to be clear, the abrahamic God of the Bible is a nonsense collection of iron age fairy tales. The idea that there is a being who takes interest in your day to day existance and who insists that you pray to him to win favour is laughable "
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"Who else agrees with this, that we and all living things are a product of a higher force that we cant understand? There was an interesting discussion about it in the other thread about god too." I'm prepared to entertain it but that's not the same as convinced | |||
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"I don't believe in God as depicted in the various monotheistic religions nor in the gods of polytheistic ones. I do however believe that the universe is too remarkable a creation to be the consequence of a random occurrence. There are too many observations that have been made through mathematics that point to intelligent design. Call it god if you will or something else, but something it is. Ultimate 747 If you cannot grasp that anything complex can evolve fro. The simple via evolutionary pathways How on earth can you conclude the ultimate 747 a being of such complexity can occur without itself being comprehensively designed The argument is always a circular regression that is senseless At best humanity was designed by a complex enterty which had evolved ie an alien but once we factor that we accept complexity can occur without design the creator just vanishes as needless x"But God exists outside of time and space, and always existed..
Thats the issue with debating religion with the faithful, when you can invoke magical superpowers and generally make shit up to support your position it makes rational reasoned debate pretty pointless | |||
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"I don't believe in an interventionist god " Dam it, what song is that from? It's on the tip of my tongue | |||
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"I don't believe in an interventionist god Dam it, what song is that from? It's on the tip of my tongue" But I know darlin that you do.. | |||
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"I try to use logic, reason and critical thinking before I believe most anything i hear and having done so i find no evidence to suggest god exists. Although being open minded i can't rule it out either no matter how unlikely i think it is.
Yes. The more extraordinary the claim the more extraordinary the evidence required. I won't say never but... Probably not.
As far as I can see it's all just an accident, give or take."I dont think evolutionary processes which I consider also occur with non organic systems too to be accidental I feel evolutionary process of matter is an attribute of stuff existing it to my mind is punctuated with statistical randomness not dictated by | |||
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"I try to use logic, reason and critical thinking before I believe most anything i hear and having done so i find no evidence to suggest god exists. Although being open minded i can't rule it out either no matter how unlikely i think it is.
Yes. The more extraordinary the claim the more extraordinary the evidence required. I won't say never but... Probably not.
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"I don't believe in an interventionist god Dam it, what song is that from? It's on the tip of my tongue But I know darlin that you do.. " Nick cave, thank you!! | |||
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"Nope I'm the product of a sperm finding it's way to an egg plain and simple Imaginary (in my opinion) higher beings had nothing whatsoever to do with my existence You cannot prove that. He doesn't have to, if you claim that God exists then the burden of proof lies with you. Athiesm makes no claim, its simply the position that there is no evidence for god" Well said. | |||
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"No. God doesn't exist. prove that! There's not a single credible shred of evidence to prove a God exists beyond any reasonable doubt - that in itself is proof enough to me - and until I am presented with hard evidence to prove me wrong (which hasn't been done in thousands of years) then my view remains. What I do believe exists is a level of faith that *some* people have in an omnipotent entity which they use for guidance, comfort and support and if it provides them that then I'm not about to knock or disrespect that faith, but personally I don't have that belief or see any proof of "God" being anything more than a human construct designed to both control and provide guidance." Perfectly put!! | |||
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"The only thing that leads me to consider it is if we were the only intelligent beings in the entire universe, by no means impossible but impossible to prove so for me we can never know" Saw statistical research yesterday that suggests there could be 30 odd advanced civilisations in our galaxy alone | |||
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"Who else agrees with this, that we and all living things are a product of a higher force that we cant understand? There was an interesting discussion about it in the other thread about god too." I believe that belief in a higher being is a delusion. And often a psychotic one at that. | |||
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"Nah. I prefer to think that the atoms that make up my body are the same as the ones that make up the grass, the trees, the moon and the stars. God isn’t half as interesting. We are all made of star stuff
I hope that was a Babylon 5 reference
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"We are the product of a higher power no doubt; stars... do you think God created the big bang OP? Genuine question. I'm intrigued about creation too... just from different books..." Yes there are a number of theories out there about the big bang theory, you do know that most scientist dont believe that is how it happened? They have just come to the conclusion to accept that simplified version of how universe was created, it is to complex to understand. | |||
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"Who else agrees with this, that we and all living things are a product of a higher force that we cant understand? There was an interesting discussion about it in the other thread about god too." We are a product of genes and experiences. God can be part of that. | |||
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"Not a believer in God. Or gods. I wear a crucifix for sentiment not religion. But despite my disbelief in organised religion, the world is full of too many amazing incredible things beings and coincidences for me not to wonder about a possible guiding force. I don't expect to ever know the answer but I do ponder it in the dark wee hours when my brain won't sleep. " My take on that At 11 I could grasp how light reflection from a curved water drop could make a rainbow Without any need for conscious design I could not get my head around how tuberculosis could be meticulously designed I can understand the beauty of statistics and numbers I cannot see one drop of beauty in the words "Designed parasite " I'm comfortable with the fact radiation mutates organic cells fuelling both death and evolution on a natural selection basis I cannot see the beauty in its needless design | |||
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"Nope I'm the product of a sperm finding it's way to an egg plain and simple Imaginary (in my opinion) higher beings had nothing whatsoever to do with my existence " Have to disagree with you. The nurture part of our lives is influenced by our cultures and socialisation processes. Even if you have chosen not to believe, in this country God is part of our socialisation/education system. | |||
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"Nope I'm the product of a sperm finding it's way to an egg plain and simple Imaginary (in my opinion) higher beings had nothing whatsoever to do with my existence Have to disagree with you. The nurture part of our lives is influenced by our cultures and socialisation processes. Even if you have chosen not to believe, in this country God is part of our socialisation/education system. " Which God? | |||
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"I don't believe in an interventionist god " So succinctly put - I've waffled paragraphs in the past, to state what you've put here | |||
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"Nope I'm the product of a sperm finding it's way to an egg plain and simple Imaginary (in my opinion) higher beings had nothing whatsoever to do with my existence Have to disagree with you. The nurture part of our lives is influenced by our cultures and socialisation processes. Even if you have chosen not to believe, in this country God is part of our socialisation/education system. " I think you mean "Many contradictory God concepts are part of our society and education " Only God concepts are shown to exist Non of the concepts have any validation You could have said the exact same about Harry Potter and scooby doo | |||
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"I don't have much time for religion and in my honest opinion, people who I have met over the years, who claim to be believers (Christians I should add), are some of the most selfish materialistic people I have met." You can have a belief in something without following the tenets. | |||
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"Who else agrees with this, that we and all living things are a product of a higher force that we cant understand? There was an interesting discussion about it in the other thread about god too. My personal opinion on religion is: In the beginning people believed in gods of Sun, Moon, weather etc.. because it was obvious that these things influenced their food supply and if they froze to death in the winter. Then came "organised religion" where rules were created and threats of "A Vengeful God" were used to control the masses whilst theme religious leaders lived in luxury tended by slaves. Over time, the organisation behind the religions became less "regal" and tried to be more pious and the sell on religion became more about "after death" bonuses rather than being stuck down... the carrot replacing the stick to control the masses. Over more time, people started to question more and some find that belief in an invisible man living in the sky a little too far fetched, while others feel that "knowing" that you continue to "be" after you have died a HUGE comfort and choose to believe because the thought of "total nothingness" when you die is scary. So in current times, less than half of the uk population say they believe in any sort of god or spirit, but others still seek the calming notion that there is something after death. Me personally... I believe it's all just too silly. Cal" Personally I think nothingness after death is preferable to hell on earth (our own traumas). | |||
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"Who else agrees with this, that we and all living things are a product of a higher force that we cant understand? There was an interesting discussion about it in the other thread about god too." Depends what you conceptualise gods/God as. And from which religion are yoou coming at it from, and if so, what about the other religions' God /gods? | |||
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"I am a 6.9 on the Dawkins scale, technically agnostic but a defacto athiest. The origin of the universe post big bang is explained by science, however as the causation of the big bang cannot yet be explained there is at least a miniscule chance that it was 'caused' into existance, so I must concede that there may have been a creator. But, to be clear, the abrahamic God of the Bible is a nonsense collection of iron age fairy tales. The idea that there is a being who takes interest in your day to day existance and who insists that you pray to him to win favour is laughable " When we can become interested in individual ants and listen to them, then I'll have the arrogance to think a God will listen to me. So I believe in the power of prayer? No. However I believe in the power of positivity, especially collective positivity. If everything boils down to energy, thought does too. After all, our brains use glucose to produce synaptic communications (neurons talking to each other) to enable the brain to work. | |||
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"Oh ffs this is not Facebook. But I'd let god suck my cock ""He" would need the hubble telescope to find it  | |||
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"Religion is a mental illness...seek help!" Bless | |||
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"Did you not get the answers from the thread you did on God yesterday ? " Yes that is right. | |||
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"Who else agrees with this, that we and all living things are a product of a higher force that we cant understand? There was an interesting discussion about it in the other thread about god too. I believe that belief in a higher being is a delusion. And often a psychotic one at that. " Oh to be close minded. . . . . Not | |||
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"The only thing that leads me to consider it is if we were the only intelligent beings in the entire universe, by no means impossible but impossible to prove so for me we can never know Saw statistical research yesterday that suggests there could be 30 odd advanced civilisations in our galaxy alone" Drake's equation? Keeping themselves to themselves then | |||
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"Nope I'm the product of a sperm finding it's way to an egg plain and simple Imaginary (in my opinion) higher beings had nothing whatsoever to do with my existence Have to disagree with you. The nurture part of our lives is influenced by our cultures and socialisation processes. Even if you have chosen not to believe, in this country God is part of our socialisation/education system. Which God? " Jehovah. Christianity. In primary school we had assembly daily. In secondary school assembly was once a week. Prayers and Christian songs. In Secondary school we were taught about major religions. Don't forget our parents, their parents and so on would have been more indoctrinated into the religion of the land than, for example I did with my children. The point is that there is religious influence. | |||
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"Nope I'm the product of a sperm finding it's way to an egg plain and simple Imaginary (in my opinion) higher beings had nothing whatsoever to do with my existence Have to disagree with you. The nurture part of our lives is influenced by our cultures and socialisation processes. Even if you have chosen not to believe, in this country God is part of our socialisation/education system. I think you mean "Many contradictory God concepts are part of our society and education " Only God concepts are shown to exist Non of the concepts have any validation You could have said the exact same about Harry Potter and scooby doo" Yes, God concept. | |||
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"We all have our own views and beliefs and i respect everyone who believes in some form of god or higher power. I myself do not. What is important is that we respect each persons choice of belief and not try to force our view on others. If we where all able to do that then i think the world would be just that little bit better. But thats just my thinking and tbh not many people pay me much attention anyway lol" Thank god, you don't aspire to the belief that belief is somewhat psychotic | |||
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"Nope I'm the product of a sperm finding it's way to an egg plain and simple Imaginary (in my opinion) higher beings had nothing whatsoever to do with my existence You cannot prove that. " Can you prove that an invisible chocolate mouse that radiates gamma waves from its arse but lives so far away, we cant detect it, doesnt control our very existence? No. Can you see how silly your stance is? | |||
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"You know that this lockdown has gone on too long when people start asking existential questions about life on a swinging site." Love existentialism! I'm a big fan of solipsism myself.. | |||
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"You know that this lockdown has gone on too long when people start asking existential questions about life on a swinging site." I'm always game for the big questions | |||
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"Why did God make vertebrate eyes with a blind spot but not those of cephalopods?" Why did he create parasites that eat their way out of innocent childrens eyeballs leaving them blind? If he exists he can go fuck himself. Hes responsible for far more evil and cruelty than anything mankind or satan has done (oh. .he created those too!). Just listen to a priest, vicar, bishop or pope try to argue that point. They spout such utter shit, then every few years, redefine, change the goalposts and change the rules. Utter fucking charlatans. Worse than Mystic Meg and Derek Acorahs lovechild. | |||
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"I don't believe in God as depicted in the various monotheistic religions nor in the gods of polytheistic ones. I do however believe that the universe is too remarkable a creation to be the consequence of a random occurrence. There are too many observations that have been made through mathematics that point to intelligent design. Call it god if you will or something else, but something it is." It only points to intelligent design if you cant take on board the true meaning of chaos and infinity. | |||
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"I'm a product of my parents. I'm also an atheist. " Atheist or not, you are truly blessed ! mmmmm | |||
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"I don't believe in God as depicted in the various monotheistic religions nor in the gods of polytheistic ones. I do however believe that the universe is too remarkable a creation to be the consequence of a random occurrence. There are too many observations that have been made through mathematics that point to intelligent design. Call it god if you will or something else, but something it is. It only points to intelligent design if you cant take on board the true meaning of chaos and infinity."
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Each infinite possibility will happen, and each possibility will happen infinitely.. "Eloquently put. I actually have a copy of Macbeth signed by the author...Bubbles the chimp. | |||
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"I don't believe in God as depicted in the various monotheistic religions nor in the gods of polytheistic ones. I do however believe that the universe is too remarkable a creation to be the consequence of a random occurrence. There are too many observations that have been made through mathematics that point to intelligent design. Call it god if you will or something else, but something it is. It only points to intelligent design if you cant take on board the true meaning of chaos and infinity." I see no need to insert the anthropic principle into assumptions about the world. | |||
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"I don't believe in God as depicted in the various monotheistic religions nor in the gods of polytheistic ones. I do however believe that the universe is too remarkable a creation to be the consequence of a random occurrence. There are too many observations that have been made through mathematics that point to intelligent design. Call it god if you will or something else, but something it is. It only points to intelligent design if you cant take on board the true meaning of chaos and infinity. I see no need to insert the anthropic principle into assumptions about the world." I think its people being uncomfortable, if not plain scared, that their brief existence is all they are going to get. Its one of the things i believe religion plays on, even having the gall to tell you the greater your suffering on earth, the greater the liklihood of going to heaven. I take the opposite view, the way things look, this is all we get, so enjoy it and dont hurt anyone in the process. | |||
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"I don't believe in God as depicted in the various monotheistic religions nor in the gods of polytheistic ones. I do however believe that the universe is too remarkable a creation to be the consequence of a random occurrence. There are too many observations that have been made through mathematics that point to intelligent design. Call it god if you will or something else, but something it is. It only points to intelligent design if you cant take on board the true meaning of chaos and infinity. I see no need to insert the anthropic principle into assumptions about the world. I think its people being uncomfortable, if not plain scared, that their brief existence is all they are going to get. Its one of the things i believe religion plays on, even having the gall to tell you the greater your suffering on earth, the greater the liklihood of going to heaven. I take the opposite view, the way things look, this is all we get, so enjoy it and dont hurt anyone in the process." I think it's our inability to contemplate nothingness. From even before we leave the womb we experience existing, there is no frame of reference for not existing, which is why a euphemism for death is 'going to sleep' or 'laid to rest'. We simply can't get our heads around not existing anymore | |||
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"For some people, yes a god or gods created everything. For others, no. Whatever everyone believes is correct to them so there’s not really a right or wrong answer is there. " My friends daughter wants to know Did dinosaurs exist Is there a right answer and should I teach her they did not She also asked about the bible I have decided to show her the paragraph where it states a menstruating woman is unclean No right or wrong ? Right ?? Iv decided I dont want her to eat pork I'm going to teach her why she absolutely must not No right or wrong of course Absolutely there is right and wrong I suggest we should be careful what we teach our children and as a society keep an eye on some of the not so harmless stuff that is taught Be it the bad parts religious doctrine sexism racism or homo trans phobia But we can read these doctrines and some of the teachings are not a positive for a forward thinking humans development | |||
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"For some people, yes a god or gods created everything. For others, no. Whatever everyone believes is correct to them so there’s not really a right or wrong answer is there. My friends daughter wants to know Did dinosaurs exist Is there a right answer and should I teach her they did not She also asked about the bible I have decided to show her the paragraph where it states a menstruating woman is unclean No right or wrong ? Right ?? Iv decided I dont want her to eat pork I'm going to teach her why she absolutely must not No right or wrong of course Absolutely there is right and wrong I suggest we should be careful what we teach our children and as a society keep an eye on some of the not so harmless stuff that is taught Be it the bad parts religious doctrine sexism racism or homo trans phobia But we can read these doctrines and some of the teachings are not a positive for a forward thinking humans development " The question was nothing to do with dietary requirements or dinosaurs. It was did god create everything. Some people believe he did. Not everyone who believes in god believes that dinosaurs didn’t exist. I chose to be open minded and tolerant. If people believe in a god, who am I to tell them they’re wrong.  | |||
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"For some people, yes a god or gods created everything. For others, no. Whatever everyone believes is correct to them so there’s not really a right or wrong answer is there. My friends daughter wants to know Did dinosaurs exist Is there a right answer and should I teach her they did not She also asked about the bible I have decided to show her the paragraph where it states a menstruating woman is unclean No right or wrong ? Right ?? Iv decided I dont want her to eat pork I'm going to teach her why she absolutely must not No right or wrong of course Absolutely there is right and wrong I suggest we should be careful what we teach our children and as a society keep an eye on some of the not so harmless stuff that is taught Be it the bad parts religious doctrine sexism racism or homo trans phobia But we can read these doctrines and some of the teachings are not a positive for a forward thinking humans development The question was nothing to do with dietary requirements or dinosaurs. It was did god create everything. Some people believe he did. Not everyone who believes in god believes that dinosaurs didn’t exist. I chose to be open minded and tolerant. If people believe in a god, who am I to tell them they’re wrong. "I have no problems with anyone's beliefs, people a free to fliow any nonsense they wish. The problem emerges when people of faith expect me to conform to the rules of thier particular flavour of delusion | |||
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"For some people, yes a god or gods created everything. For others, no. Whatever everyone believes is correct to them so there’s not really a right or wrong answer is there. My friends daughter wants to know Did dinosaurs exist Is there a right answer and should I teach her they did not She also asked about the bible I have decided to show her the paragraph where it states a menstruating woman is unclean No right or wrong ? Right ?? Iv decided I dont want her to eat pork I'm going to teach her why she absolutely must not No right or wrong of course Absolutely there is right and wrong I suggest we should be careful what we teach our children and as a society keep an eye on some of the not so harmless stuff that is taught Be it the bad parts religious doctrine sexism racism or homo trans phobia But we can read these doctrines and some of the teachings are not a positive for a forward thinking humans development The question was nothing to do with dietary requirements or dinosaurs. It was did god create everything. Some people believe he did. Not everyone who believes in god believes that dinosaurs didn’t exist. I chose to be open minded and tolerant. If people believe in a god, who am I to tell them they’re wrong. "I have never told anyone is wrong and should not believe I simply disagree that a personal belief is or should be immune from scrutiny I only A declair nothing has convinced me And b If a believer highlights something the feel is convincing I feel it reasonable for me to articulate why it does not convince me And sadly perpetuateing some beliefs without calm challenge can perpetuate or condone some very anti humanity ideas blended into the fluffy God belief | |||
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"For some people, yes a god or gods created everything. For others, no. Whatever everyone believes is correct to them so there’s not really a right or wrong answer is there. My friends daughter wants to know Did dinosaurs exist Is there a right answer and should I teach her they did not She also asked about the bible I have decided to show her the paragraph where it states a menstruating woman is unclean No right or wrong ? Right ?? Iv decided I dont want her to eat pork I'm going to teach her why she absolutely must not No right or wrong of course Absolutely there is right and wrong I suggest we should be careful what we teach our children and as a society keep an eye on some of the not so harmless stuff that is taught Be it the bad parts religious doctrine sexism racism or homo trans phobia But we can read these doctrines and some of the teachings are not a positive for a forward thinking humans development The question was nothing to do with dietary requirements or dinosaurs. It was did god create everything. Some people believe he did. Not everyone who believes in god believes that dinosaurs didn’t exist. I chose to be open minded and tolerant. If people believe in a god, who am I to tell them they’re wrong.
I have never told anyone is wrong and should not believe
I simply disagree that a personal belief is or should be immune from scrutiny
I only
A declair nothing has convinced me
And b
If a believer highlights something the feel is convincing I feel it reasonable for me to articulate why it does not convince me
And sadly perpetuateing some beliefs without calm challenge can perpetuate or condone some very anti humanity ideas blended into the fluffy God belief "So you would agree, that to some peoples beliefs, god created everything? | |||
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"I don't believe in God as depicted in the various monotheistic religions nor in the gods of polytheistic ones. I do however believe that the universe is too remarkable a creation to be the consequence of a random occurrence. There are too many observations that have been made through mathematics that point to intelligent design. Call it god if you will or something else, but something it is. It only points to intelligent design if you cant take on board the true meaning of chaos and infinity. I see no need to insert the anthropic principle into assumptions about the world. I think its people being uncomfortable, if not plain scared, that their brief existence is all they are going to get. Its one of the things i believe religion plays on, even having the gall to tell you the greater your suffering on earth, the greater the liklihood of going to heaven. I take the opposite view, the way things look, this is all we get, so enjoy it and dont hurt anyone in the process. I think it's our inability to contemplate nothingness. From even before we leave the womb we experience existing, there is no frame of reference for not existing, which is why a euphemism for death is 'going to sleep' or 'laid to rest'. We simply can't get our heads around not existing anymore" All of this. I'm fairly comfortable with not knowing, not getting it. The world is infinitely more complicated than I can wrap my tiny brain around and begin to rationalise. That's ok. | |||
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"For some people, yes a god or gods created everything. For others, no. Whatever everyone believes is correct to them so there’s not really a right or wrong answer is there. My friends daughter wants to know Did dinosaurs exist Is there a right answer and should I teach her they did not She also asked about the bible I have decided to show her the paragraph where it states a menstruating woman is unclean No right or wrong ? Right ?? Iv decided I dont want her to eat pork I'm going to teach her why she absolutely must not No right or wrong of course Absolutely there is right and wrong I suggest we should be careful what we teach our children and as a society keep an eye on some of the not so harmless stuff that is taught Be it the bad parts religious doctrine sexism racism or homo trans phobia But we can read these doctrines and some of the teachings are not a positive for a forward thinking humans development The question was nothing to do with dietary requirements or dinosaurs. It was did god create everything. Some people believe he did. Not everyone who believes in god believes that dinosaurs didn’t exist. I chose to be open minded and tolerant. If people believe in a god, who am I to tell them they’re wrong.
I have never told anyone is wrong and should not believe
I simply disagree that a personal belief is or should be immune from scrutiny
I only
A declair nothing has convinced me
And b
If a believer highlights something the feel is convincing I feel it reasonable for me to articulate why it does not convince me
And sadly perpetuateing some beliefs without calm challenge can perpetuate or condone some very anti humanity ideas blended into the fluffy God belief
So you would agree, that to some peoples beliefs, god created everything? "No I would assert that God has a definition At it's most basic If a God existed it would be A sentient sadistic orchestrator originator of everything without beginning and non evolved I'm fully aware all religions have a fleshed out version of this basic definition and erm Yeah some people believe it | |||
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"Blessed are the cheesemakers."
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"For some people, yes a god or gods created everything. For others, no. Whatever everyone believes is correct to them so there’s not really a right or wrong answer is there. My friends daughter wants to know Did dinosaurs exist Is there a right answer and should I teach her they did not She also asked about the bible I have decided to show her the paragraph where it states a menstruating woman is unclean No right or wrong ? Right ?? Iv decided I dont want her to eat pork I'm going to teach her why she absolutely must not No right or wrong of course Absolutely there is right and wrong I suggest we should be careful what we teach our children and as a society keep an eye on some of the not so harmless stuff that is taught Be it the bad parts religious doctrine sexism racism or homo trans phobia But we can read these doctrines and some of the teachings are not a positive for a forward thinking humans development The question was nothing to do with dietary requirements or dinosaurs. It was did god create everything. Some people believe he did. Not everyone who believes in god believes that dinosaurs didn’t exist. I chose to be open minded and tolerant. If people believe in a god, who am I to tell them they’re wrong.
I have never told anyone is wrong and should not believe
I simply disagree that a personal belief is or should be immune from scrutiny
I only
A declair nothing has convinced me
And b
If a believer highlights something the feel is convincing I feel it reasonable for me to articulate why it does not convince me
And sadly perpetuateing some beliefs without calm challenge can perpetuate or condone some very anti humanity ideas blended into the fluffy God belief
So you would agree, that to some peoples beliefs, god created everything?
No
I would assert that God has a definition
At it's most basic
If a God existed it would be
A sentient sadistic orchestrator originator of everything without beginning and non evolved
I'm fully aware all religions have a fleshed out version of this basic definition and erm
Yeah some people believe it
"So you missed the point of my post entirely. I said that to some people who are of faith, he created everything. Those who do not believe in a god, he did not. If you choose to believe others are entirely wrong, that’s fine. I choose to accept that their faith is their truth. | |||
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"For some people, yes a god or gods created everything. For others, no. Whatever everyone believes is correct to them so there’s not really a right or wrong answer is there. My friends daughter wants to know Did dinosaurs exist Is there a right answer and should I teach her they did not She also asked about the bible I have decided to show her the paragraph where it states a menstruating woman is unclean No right or wrong ? Right ?? Iv decided I dont want her to eat pork I'm going to teach her why she absolutely must not No right or wrong of course Absolutely there is right and wrong I suggest we should be careful what we teach our children and as a society keep an eye on some of the not so harmless stuff that is taught Be it the bad parts religious doctrine sexism racism or homo trans phobia But we can read these doctrines and some of the teachings are not a positive for a forward thinking humans development The question was nothing to do with dietary requirements or dinosaurs. It was did god create everything. Some people believe he did. Not everyone who believes in god believes that dinosaurs didn’t exist. I chose to be open minded and tolerant. If people believe in a god, who am I to tell them they’re wrong.
I have never told anyone is wrong and should not believe
I simply disagree that a personal belief is or should be immune from scrutiny
I only
A declair nothing has convinced me
And b
If a believer highlights something the feel is convincing I feel it reasonable for me to articulate why it does not convince me
And sadly perpetuateing some beliefs without calm challenge can perpetuate or condone some very anti humanity ideas blended into the fluffy God belief
So you would agree, that to some peoples beliefs, god created everything?
No
I would assert that God has a definition
At it's most basic
If a God existed it would be
A sentient sadistic orchestrator originator of everything without beginning and non evolved
I'm fully aware all religions have a fleshed out version of this basic definition and erm
Yeah some people believe it
So you missed the point of my post entirely. I said that to some people who are of faith, he created everything. Those who do not believe in a god, he did not.
If you choose to believe others are entirely wrong, that’s fine. I choose to accept that their faith is their truth. "I'm an engineer Personal truth does not help much in reality If a God exists I want to know If one didn't I'd hope others would want to know Matters not how much I believe fuel is entering the burner jet It either is or it ain't Most people who want heat usually want me to work with the truth rather than telling them regardless of evidence Yes madam you have fuel your heat will come on for your shower | |||
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"For some people, yes a god or gods created everything. For others, no. Whatever everyone believes is correct to them so there’s not really a right or wrong answer is there. My friends daughter wants to know Did dinosaurs exist Is there a right answer and should I teach her they did not She also asked about the bible I have decided to show her the paragraph where it states a menstruating woman is unclean No right or wrong ? Right ?? Iv decided I dont want her to eat pork I'm going to teach her why she absolutely must not No right or wrong of course Absolutely there is right and wrong I suggest we should be careful what we teach our children and as a society keep an eye on some of the not so harmless stuff that is taught Be it the bad parts religious doctrine sexism racism or homo trans phobia But we can read these doctrines and some of the teachings are not a positive for a forward thinking humans development The question was nothing to do with dietary requirements or dinosaurs. It was did god create everything. Some people believe he did. Not everyone who believes in god believes that dinosaurs didn’t exist. I chose to be open minded and tolerant. If people believe in a god, who am I to tell them they’re wrong.
I have never told anyone is wrong and should not believe
I simply disagree that a personal belief is or should be immune from scrutiny
I only
A declair nothing has convinced me
And b
If a believer highlights something the feel is convincing I feel it reasonable for me to articulate why it does not convince me
And sadly perpetuateing some beliefs without calm challenge can perpetuate or condone some very anti humanity ideas blended into the fluffy God belief
So you would agree, that to some peoples beliefs, god created everything?
No
I would assert that God has a definition
At it's most basic
If a God existed it would be
A sentient sadistic orchestrator originator of everything without beginning and non evolved
I'm fully aware all religions have a fleshed out version of this basic definition and erm
Yeah some people believe it
So you missed the point of my post entirely. I said that to some people who are of faith, he created everything. Those who do not believe in a god, he did not.
If you choose to believe others are entirely wrong, that’s fine. I choose to accept that their faith is their truth.
I'm an engineer
Personal truth does not help much in reality
If a God exists I want to know
If one didn't I'd hope others would want to know
Matters not how much I believe fuel is entering the burner jet
It either is or it ain't
Most people who want heat usually want me to work with the truth rather than telling them regardless of evidence
Yes madam you have fuel your heat will come on for your shower "I’m not really sure what my shower has to do with other people’s faith. Like I’ve said. It’s not up to anyone else to tell others they’re wrong for having faith | |||
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"For some people, yes a god or gods created everything. For others, no. Whatever everyone believes is correct to them so there’s not really a right or wrong answer is there. My friends daughter wants to know Did dinosaurs exist Is there a right answer and should I teach her they did not She also asked about the bible I have decided to show her the paragraph where it states a menstruating woman is unclean No right or wrong ? Right ?? Iv decided I dont want her to eat pork I'm going to teach her why she absolutely must not No right or wrong of course Absolutely there is right and wrong I suggest we should be careful what we teach our children and as a society keep an eye on some of the not so harmless stuff that is taught Be it the bad parts religious doctrine sexism racism or homo trans phobia But we can read these doctrines and some of the teachings are not a positive for a forward thinking humans development The question was nothing to do with dietary requirements or dinosaurs. It was did god create everything. Some people believe he did. Not everyone who believes in god believes that dinosaurs didn’t exist. I chose to be open minded and tolerant. If people believe in a god, who am I to tell them they’re wrong.
I have never told anyone is wrong and should not believe
I simply disagree that a personal belief is or should be immune from scrutiny
I only
A declair nothing has convinced me
And b
If a believer highlights something the feel is convincing I feel it reasonable for me to articulate why it does not convince me
And sadly perpetuateing some beliefs without calm challenge can perpetuate or condone some very anti humanity ideas blended into the fluffy God belief
So you would agree, that to some peoples beliefs, god created everything?
No
I would assert that God has a definition
At it's most basic
If a God existed it would be
A sentient sadistic orchestrator originator of everything without beginning and non evolved
I'm fully aware all religions have a fleshed out version of this basic definition and erm
Yeah some people believe it
So you missed the point of my post entirely. I said that to some people who are of faith, he created everything. Those who do not believe in a god, he did not.
If you choose to believe others are entirely wrong, that’s fine. I choose to accept that their faith is their truth. "Some people stick to some lifestyle only because they are being judged They restrict Food, sex , contraception, abortion, blood transfusions Not for their benefit or happiness But to please a God I want to know Should I be sticking to certain rules or not A stance of belief here is frightening and futile | |||
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"For some people, yes a god or gods created everything. For others, no. Whatever everyone believes is correct to them so there’s not really a right or wrong answer is there. My friends daughter wants to know Did dinosaurs exist Is there a right answer and should I teach her they did not She also asked about the bible I have decided to show her the paragraph where it states a menstruating woman is unclean No right or wrong ? Right ?? Iv decided I dont want her to eat pork I'm going to teach her why she absolutely must not No right or wrong of course Absolutely there is right and wrong I suggest we should be careful what we teach our children and as a society keep an eye on some of the not so harmless stuff that is taught Be it the bad parts religious doctrine sexism racism or homo trans phobia But we can read these doctrines and some of the teachings are not a positive for a forward thinking humans development The question was nothing to do with dietary requirements or dinosaurs. It was did god create everything. Some people believe he did. Not everyone who believes in god believes that dinosaurs didn’t exist. I chose to be open minded and tolerant. If people believe in a god, who am I to tell them they’re wrong.
I have never told anyone is wrong and should not believe
I simply disagree that a personal belief is or should be immune from scrutiny
I only
A declair nothing has convinced me
And b
If a believer highlights something the feel is convincing I feel it reasonable for me to articulate why it does not convince me
And sadly perpetuateing some beliefs without calm challenge can perpetuate or condone some very anti humanity ideas blended into the fluffy God belief
So you would agree, that to some peoples beliefs, god created everything?
No
I would assert that God has a definition
At it's most basic
If a God existed it would be
A sentient sadistic orchestrator originator of everything without beginning and non evolved
I'm fully aware all religions have a fleshed out version of this basic definition and erm
Yeah some people believe it
So you missed the point of my post entirely. I said that to some people who are of faith, he created everything. Those who do not believe in a god, he did not.
If you choose to believe others are entirely wrong, that’s fine. I choose to accept that their faith is their truth.
I'm an engineer
Personal truth does not help much in reality
If a God exists I want to know
If one didn't I'd hope others would want to know
Matters not how much I believe fuel is entering the burner jet
It either is or it ain't
Most people who want heat usually want me to work with the truth rather than telling them regardless of evidence
Yes madam you have fuel your heat will come on for your shower
I’m not really sure what my shower has to do with other people’s faith.
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"For some people, yes a god or gods created everything. For others, no. Whatever everyone believes is correct to them so there’s not really a right or wrong answer is there. My friends daughter wants to know Did dinosaurs exist Is there a right answer and should I teach her they did not She also asked about the bible I have decided to show her the paragraph where it states a menstruating woman is unclean No right or wrong ? Right ?? Iv decided I dont want her to eat pork I'm going to teach her why she absolutely must not No right or wrong of course Absolutely there is right and wrong I suggest we should be careful what we teach our children and as a society keep an eye on some of the not so harmless stuff that is taught Be it the bad parts religious doctrine sexism racism or homo trans phobia But we can read these doctrines and some of the teachings are not a positive for a forward thinking humans development The question was nothing to do with dietary requirements or dinosaurs. It was did god create everything. Some people believe he did. Not everyone who believes in god believes that dinosaurs didn’t exist. I chose to be open minded and tolerant. If people believe in a god, who am I to tell them they’re wrong.
I have never told anyone is wrong and should not believe
I simply disagree that a personal belief is or should be immune from scrutiny
I only
A declair nothing has convinced me
And b
If a believer highlights something the feel is convincing I feel it reasonable for me to articulate why it does not convince me
And sadly perpetuateing some beliefs without calm challenge can perpetuate or condone some very anti humanity ideas blended into the fluffy God belief
So you would agree, that to some peoples beliefs, god created everything?
No
I would assert that God has a definition
At it's most basic
If a God existed it would be
A sentient sadistic orchestrator originator of everything without beginning and non evolved
I'm fully aware all religions have a fleshed out version of this basic definition and erm
Yeah some people believe it
So you missed the point of my post entirely. I said that to some people who are of faith, he created everything. Those who do not believe in a god, he did not.
If you choose to believe others are entirely wrong, that’s fine. I choose to accept that their faith is their truth.
Some people stick to some lifestyle only because they are being judged
They restrict
Food, sex , contraception, abortion, blood transfusions
Not for their benefit or happiness
But to please a God
I want to know
Should I be sticking to certain rules or not
A stance of belief here is frightening and futile "That’s because some religions - catabolism, Islam etc base your relationship with God on your adherence to rules and rituals Others base your relationship with God, simply on your relationship with God , and you find you may do the rules out of service to pleas Let me give you a simple example. I dint enjoy cleaning the kitchen, but it pleases my partner and I love her, so I do it. | |||
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"I believe that belief in a higher being is a delusion. And often a psychotic one at that. Oh to be close minded. . . . . Not "I'm intrigued how you know I'm close-minded based on one post on this one topic? You don't know how I came to that view, or why I hold it. Yet, you're willing to dismiss my belief (which is all I said it is) as me being closed-minded. | |||
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"Religion is all Mumbo Jumbo.. " Whatever your opinion is regarding religion, it's important to many others. | |||
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"Who else agrees with this, that we and all living things are a product of a higher force that we cant understand? There was an interesting discussion about it in the other thread about god too." I wholeheartedly disagree! | |||
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"Religion is all Mumbo Jumbo.. Whatever your opinion is regarding religion, it's important to many others." Yes it is.. But all mumbo jumbo | |||
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"In my 20's I enjoyed a transcendent mycological experience, cant say it was "god" but I traveled to other realms that night
Was there mush room in that realm? "Not that I recall but It sure made me a fun gi  | |||
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"I believe that belief in a higher being is a delusion. And often a psychotic one at that. Oh to be close minded. . . . . Not
I'm intrigued how you know I'm close-minded based on one post on this one topic?
You don't know how I came to that view, or why I hold it. Yet, you're willing to dismiss my belief (which is all I said it is) as me being closed-minded."I haven't stated (or implied) you're closed minded about anything other than your disbelief in a higher power. You're also judging others that hold this belief as a psychotic delusion. Only those agnostics are open-minded about this subject. | |||
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"Jesus saves " Me too, where to invest it though | |||
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"Jesus saves Me too, where to invest it though" Haha not the response I was expecting but just as funny
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"Jesus saves Me too, where to invest it though" Ah you need a safe heaven | |||
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"Jesus saves " Harry Kane gets the rebound..... (Is that the one you were expecting ?) | |||
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"Jesus saves Harry Kane gets the rebound..... (Is that the one you were expecting ?) "Yep that’s better | |||
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"Jesus saves Me too, where to invest it though Haha not the response I was expecting but just as funny
How’s it going geezer?"Enjoying Ascot thanks, one of my vices | |||
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"Jesus saves Me too, where to invest it though Ah you need a safe heaven "Bury your talents? | |||
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"It's really not cool to drag psychosis into this. Psychosis is an illness." Nor any type of mental health, as someone else did. | |||
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"It's really not cool to drag psychosis into this. Psychosis is an illness. Nor any type of mental health, as someone else did. " | |||
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"Religion is all Mumbo Jumbo.. Whatever your opinion is regarding religion, it's important to many others. Yes it is.. But all mumbo jumbo" Whilst I do not believe personally - dismissing religion as "mumbo jumbo" is not something I aspire to either - for many it provides strength and guidance, and that is not to be dismissed so readily, just because I don't believe doesn't mean I don't respect others right to do so. I see a lot of religious writings as being similar to things like Aesops fables and similar morality tales and in that respect and taken at that level they have a lot of value and certainly aren't "mumbo jumbo". There are of course aspects of organised religion that I don't like or respect and some parts of it that I find downright evil - but that is down to the human interpretation of it and it's use to control and excuse abhorrent actions that has been happening for centuries - but taken at sheer face value the teachings of religion have a lot of to be said for them. The trouble is humans take them and interpret them to their own ends. | |||
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"Religion is all Mumbo Jumbo.. Whatever your opinion is regarding religion, it's important to many others. Yes it is.. But all mumbo jumbo Whilst I do not believe personally - dismissing religion as "mumbo jumbo" is not something I aspire to either - for many it provides strength and guidance, and that is not to be dismissed so readily, just because I don't believe doesn't mean I don't respect others right to do so. I see a lot of religious writings as being similar to things like Aesops fables and similar morality tales and in that respect and taken at that level they have a lot of value and certainly aren't "mumbo jumbo". There are of course aspects of organised religion that I don't like or respect and some parts of it that I find downright evil - but that is down to the human interpretation of it and it's use to control and excuse abhorrent actions that has been happening for centuries - but taken at sheer face value the teachings of religion have a lot of to be said for them. The trouble is humans take them and interpret them to their own ends." MJ enuff said bro | |||
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"Interesting points everyone and yes it is interesting how life is created by god and how we become the product of it "Or alternatively how it wasn't and we aren't, depending on what we believe | |||
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