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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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"I bet they haven't debated doing away with his bursaries and scholarships, though.... "
Well interestingly there are scholarships from the Cecil Rhodes Trust that sponsor Africans to attend Oxford |
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"I bet they haven't debated doing away with his bursaries and scholarships, though....
Well interestingly there are scholarships from the Cecil Rhodes Trust that sponsor Africans to attend Oxford"
I know
That's my point.
I bet they'll still be happy to take his money
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By (user no longer on site)
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They should leave it where it is. He is a historical figure of the British empire and he was of his time, not perfect, by any means, but you can't judge historical figures by the standards of today. |
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By *edGrayCouple
over a year ago
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"I bet they haven't debated doing away with his bursaries and scholarships, though....
Well interestingly there are scholarships from the Cecil Rhodes Trust that sponsor Africans to attend Oxford
I know
That's my point.
I bet they'll still be happy to take his money
Hypocrites"
Correct me if I am wrong, my understanding is that Rhodes exceptional wealth at the times funded the building and the initial scholarship. At present it is funded by other scholars, but just named after Cecil Rhodes?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"They should leave it where it is. He is a historical figure of the British empire and he was of his time, not perfect, by any means, but you can't judge historical figures by the standards of today. "
I agree.. times were very different. He was just doing what was acceptable at the time.. |
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"I bet they haven't debated doing away with his bursaries and scholarships, though....
Well interestingly there are scholarships from the Cecil Rhodes Trust that sponsor Africans to attend Oxford
I know
That's my point.
I bet they'll still be happy to take his money
Hypocrites
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Correct me if I am wrong, my understanding is that Rhodes exceptional wealth at the times funded the building and the initial scholarship. At present it is funded by other scholars, but just named after Cecil Rhodes?
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No you're wrong... Mr Rhodes returns from the grave once a year to hand over the cash from his celestial pension in person.
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"They should leave it where it is. He is a historical figure of the British empire and he was of his time, not perfect, by any means, but you can't judge historical figures by the standards of today.
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I agree.. times were very different. He was just doing what was acceptable at the time.."
Surely we should not have memorials to commend shameful acts. Do you think it would be acceptable to have a massive Hitler Statue outside the VW factory to remind everyone that VolksWagen was a NAZI project to provide a cheap transport for the masses? Or would it be acceptable for a large bust of Jimmie Saville outside the Children's hospital wing that he raised 2 million Quid to build?
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By (user no longer on site)
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They will probably put one up of the Lammy buffoon. Who is next on the list, Cromwell,? Richard the lion heart, Nelson, Clive of India? We don't need some foreign woman saying who we can and can't have statues of in this country, its not their country or history. Leave Cecil alone. |
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"I bet they haven't debated doing away with his bursaries and scholarships, though....
Well interestingly there are scholarships from the Cecil Rhodes Trust that sponsor Africans to attend Oxford
I know
That's my point.
I bet they'll still be happy to take his money
Hypocrites"
It's the way he made that money that some people find objectionable. Some might argue that he exploited the lands that he helped colonise and that wealth belongs to them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I bet they haven't debated doing away with his bursaries and scholarships, though....
Well interestingly there are scholarships from the Cecil Rhodes Trust that sponsor Africans to attend Oxford
I know
That's my point.
I bet they'll still be happy to take his money
Hypocrites
It's the way he made that money that some people find objectionable. Some might argue that he exploited the lands that he helped colonise and that wealth belongs to them."
You could argue in general that is how Britain got its wealth, by sending out explorers with remits to claim and plunder foreign lands, as did the French empire, the Dutch, German, Portuguese...all the way back to the Vikings, the Romans, Alexander the Great etc.
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"I bet they haven't debated doing away with his bursaries and scholarships, though.... "
Monies paid for on the back of complete and utter exploitation of the people and resources of Africa!  |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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"When the next PM comes from somewhere other than Oxbridge then I'll be clapping.
Alas, it won't be anytime soon!
The 1% rule supreme in this country, sadly. "
Well someone has too and the great unwashed cannot be trusted |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Apparently Oxford students have debated and voted to remove the statue..
If true and representative of all views then that's how it should be done..
Not by an angry mob
Bravo.. "
Pretty sure it's a Listed Building including the statue so it won't be their decision as to whether it's removed ... |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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"Apparently Oxford students have debated and voted to remove the statue..
If true and representative of all views then that's how it should be done..
Not by an angry mob
Bravo..
Pretty sure it's a Listed Building including the statue so it won't be their decision as to whether it's removed ..."
Well listed buildings can be altered..
Why not move Cecil to a museum and put another figure in his place that does not offend..
Captain Pugwash for example... |
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"Apparently Oxford students have debated and voted to remove the statue..
If true and representative of all views then that's how it should be done..
Not by an angry mob
Bravo..
Pretty sure it's a Listed Building including the statue so it won't be their decision as to whether it's removed ...
Well listed buildings can be altered..
Why not move Cecil to a museum and put another figure in his place that does not offend..
Captain Pugwash for example... "
Permission can be sought to alter a listed building yes, doesn't mean to say it will be granted though.
Yes, Captain Pugwash wouldn't offend anyone surely  |
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"They will probably put one up of the Lammy buffoon. Who is next on the list, Cromwell,? Richard the lion heart, Nelson, Clive of India? We don't need some foreign woman saying who we can and can't have statues of in this country, its not their country or history. Leave Cecil alone. "
They should all follow Wellington's example and have a useful piece of countryside attire named after them |
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Are we all to insist the Italians take down the Colosseum and similar Roman structures around the world for colonising and taking slaves (English to fight as gladiators) or does that not count because it doesn't fit the agenda? It's part of history, whether right or wrong, it happened, we learn from history and hopefully make better choices. |
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"Are we all to insist the Italians take down the Colosseum and similar Roman structures around the world for colonising and taking slaves (English to fight as gladiators) or does that not count because it doesn't fit the agenda? It's part of history, whether right or wrong, it happened, we learn from history and hopefully make better choices. "
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