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By *heblackmac OP Man over a year ago

Ladywell, Lewisham.

As a black person I'm standing tall and proud. What happens to George Floyd in America should have never happened. This has been on going issues. Different colours ONE people.I hate individual that tried to Demolished and separate us because of our different colours.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Respect and solidarity.

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By *heblackmac OP Man over a year ago

Ladywell, Lewisham.

"Respect and solidarity."
thank you

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By *nabelle21Woman over a year ago

B38

One love x

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By *heblackmac OP Man over a year ago

Ladywell, Lewisham.

"One love x"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As a black person I'm standing tall and proud. What happens to George Floyd in America should have never happened. This has been on going issues. Different colours ONE people.I hate individual that tried to Demolished and separate us because of our different colours.

Amen.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So very true...stand proud mate...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Big respect my brother. Black and proud

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By *emorefridaCouple over a year ago

La la land

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By *partharmonyCouple over a year ago

Ruislip

We are appalled by the overt, institutional racism on display in the USA. What happens to George Floyd was shocking and the officer who did it is guilty of murder as far as we're concerned (not manslaughter).

I certainly wouldn't say the UK has rid itself of racism by any means, but we are further down that road than than the USA which is a country which has white supremacy at its core.

I remember the Rodney King case in the 90s and have seen many examples of overt racism since. Whilst I think rioting is not the solution, I have little sympathy for institutions that disempower minorities to such an extent that they leave the minorities thinking they have little other outlet to express their outrage.

Donald Trump is a racist. He has no business criticising rioters unless he does something to address the underlying issue that a great many people in the USA sincerely believe black people are inferior and it is right to crush them underfoot.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"We are appalled by the overt, institutional racism on display in the USA. What happens to George Floyd was shocking and the officer who did it is guilty of murder as far as we're concerned (not manslaughter).

I certainly wouldn't say the UK has rid itself of racism by any means, but we are further down that road than than the USA which is a country which has white supremacy at its core.

Hear hear

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I've noticed before that police in America take things to far. They're quick to jump on someone for minor offences.

I don't like to see all the violence and looting which is happening now.. But if I was there I would probably be standing with them.

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By *edGrayCouple over a year ago

Swindon

I certainly wouldn't say the UK has rid itself of racism by any means, but we are further down that road than than the USA which is a country which has white supremacy at its core.

Hear hear"

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By *innie The MinxWoman over a year ago

Under the Duvet

If you don't think similar would happen here you won't have heard about the black dad tasered in front of his crying kid at a petrol station here a couple of weeks ago.

It popped up in my news feed and the sound of that distressed kid will haunt me always.

That never would have happened to a white middle class guy, here or there.

The message in 2020 is still if you're black, know your place or the powers that be will stomp you.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"If you don't think similar would happen here you won't have heard about the black dad tasered in front of his crying kid at a petrol station here a couple of weeks ago.

It popped up in my news feed and the sound of that distressed kid will haunt me always.

That never would have happened to a white middle class guy, here or there.

The message in 2020 is still if you're black, know your place or the powers that be will stomp you.

Yes. I think things are worse in the US, but to say we're better than that is a bit damning with faint praise.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Maybe we should all stand up and fight for all the young white girls in the uk getting abused my Muslim grooming gangs and the press and police covering it up

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Maybe we should all stand up and fight for all the young white girls in the uk getting abused my Muslim grooming gangs and the press and police covering it up "

I'm not sure what this has to do with this thread

There are grooming gangs of all races in the UK.

Its truly awful.

I'm mixed race half black Caribbean half white English and being born in the 70's I have experienced a lot of racism in the Home Counties where I grew up.

Violence towards my family and threats and abuse towards myself.

The hate and prejudice is still there - it isn't often said outloud these days - but it's there.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you don't think similar would happen here you won't have heard about the black dad tasered in front of his crying kid at a petrol station here a couple of weeks ago.

It popped up in my news feed and the sound of that distressed kid will haunt me always.

That never would have happened to a white middle class guy, here or there.

The message in 2020 is still if you're black, know your place or the powers that be will stomp you.

What absolute rubbish. I’m not going to argue whether he should or should not have been tasered, as I have only seen limited footage- although on the footage I have seen the man is clinging to his child while acting in an aggressive manner towards police, that is easy to see from his non verbal communications.

What do you base your assumption on that he wouldn’t be tasered if he was white?

Oh and he wasn’t exactly innocent of any crime and didn’t seem to care too much about his son when he was drink driving or squaring up to police officers

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Maybe we should all stand up and fight for all the young white girls in the uk getting abused my Muslim grooming gangs and the press and police covering it up

I'm not sure what this has to do with this thread

There are grooming gangs of all races in the UK.

Its truly awful.

I'm mixed race half black Caribbean half white English and being born in the 70's I have experienced a lot of racism in the Home Counties where I grew up.

Violence towards my family and threats and abuse towards myself.

The hate and prejudice is still there - it isn't often said outloud these days - but it's there.

Agreed. I'm rarely if ever a direct target of racism. But I'm in an odd position, as a white immigrant, sometimes hearing both sides. I'm an immigrant but also not foreign really. So the bigots tell me what they really think and expect me to agree. And I'm privy to conversations about how other immigrants are treated.

The bigotry is not very far beneath the surface.

And "look a minority group did a bad thing" is a repulsive thing to say in this context.

Black people deserve better. We can discuss other issues elsewhere at another time.

Black lives matter.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Maybe we should all stand up and fight for all the young white girls in the uk getting abused my Muslim grooming gangs and the press and police covering it up

I'm not sure what this has to do with this thread

There are grooming gangs of all races in the UK.

Its truly awful.

I'm mixed race half black Caribbean half white English and being born in the 70's I have experienced a lot of racism in the Home Counties where I grew up.

Violence towards my family and threats and abuse towards myself.

The hate and prejudice is still there - it isn't often said outloud these days - but it's there.

The bigotry is not very far beneath the surface.

And "look a minority group did a bad thing" is a repulsive thing to say in this context.

Black people deserve better. We can discuss other issues elsewhere at another time.

Black lives matter."

" not foreign really "

I just don't have words for comments like that.

Racism is alive and kicking globally.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"" not foreign really "

I just don't have words for comments like that.

Racism is alive and kicking globally.

I think they mean white, English name, culturally similar, and mean it as a compliment, but... it doesn't land that way. It's just gross.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you don't think similar would happen here you won't have heard about the black dad tasered in front of his crying kid at a petrol station here a couple of weeks ago.

It popped up in my news feed and the sound of that distressed kid will haunt me always.

That never would have happened to a white middle class guy, here or there.

The message in 2020 is still if you're black, know your place or the powers that be will stomp you.

I am glad Andy Burnham called a full scale review of what happened in that instance. I felt sickened as I watched it and the sound of his child screaming was deeply disturbing for me.

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By *tew008Man over a year ago

edinburgh

We’re built from institutionally racist establishments. Ideas need and conventions need challenged more. Hopefully policy changes come in the wake of this like in the 60s.

There should never be a situation where someone thinks it is ok to do that to another human and others stand by thinking it’s normal.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

What do you base your assumption on that he wouldn’t be tasered if he was white?

Oh and he wasn’t exactly innocent of any crime and didn’t seem to care too much about his son when he was drink driving or squaring up to police officers

"I'm not going to argue whether he should have been tasered" - immediately proceeds to argue that it was justified

There was a bit of jostling between the man and the police. Did not seem to me like a situation that needed to be escalated like that.

And it's really not relevant whether he committed a crime. The whole point is that police are not judge and jury to meet out punishment.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There's a thread on here somewhere where everyone is taking the piss out of red indians...... Everyone... all colours....So yes racism is rife, the adverts have Italians as mafia pasta eating doe eyed stereo types... dolmio sauce and the pizza one, that's racism...... Anyone complaining? There is a selective element..... Take the piss out of red Indians Jesus and Italians and it is fine but allah or black people isn't....... I'm not arguing right or wrong I'm saying it is what happens....

Do I agree with killing people of any colour, no, do I agree with arresting a career criminal, yes. Ever held someone down after a fight, they all say it's hurting, let me go now and then attack you again! Bet at the time the cops were shitting it, surrounded in Down town shits ville.....

Anyone watched celebrity SAS, they all shoot the good guy when under pressure!

I think it was a shit situation that the last president, Obama didn't improve either! I'm not making judgements either way, but don't turn the thread into a baying mob without at least considering the situation as a whole, that's all

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I really can't get my head round the hate we have for each other that's taught to us by our parents. When I was growing up it was Catholics. By the time we went to high school we had to share a bus with them and I actually believed there was something awful about them, it wasn't till we mixed that I realised it was alot of rubbish. I don't think it's good to have people separated into different communities. There wasn't any ethnic minorites when I was growing up so I can only relate to the protestant and Catholic divide. Best of it was we were never taken to church or taught about religion but the sectarian was brain washed. It's sad and in 2020 we really should be past this sort of behaviour. I never see this in my world world anymore. I thought it was a thing of the past but I must just be mixing with better , civilized people.

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By *he Ring WraithMan over a year ago

Bradford

I totally agree with the sentiments of this thread and the fact that this atrocity should never have happened.

I struggle a little with the 'Black lives matter' banner, and whilst I know why it says that I think maybe there should be an 'All lives matter' banner as well !

Because ALL live do matter !!!!! and that means black white any other colour you want to use and ANY religion or race you wish to add.... ALL live matter to me, and none more than others.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I think it's less overt in some communities. I think it's something we all still need to combat.

I've seen the "other" change over my life depending on where I live, but it's still always there.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Maybe we should all stand up and fight for all the young white girls in the uk getting abused my Muslim grooming gangs and the press and police covering it up "

Surely this calls for your own thread?

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By *heblackmac OP Man over a year ago

Ladywell, Lewisham.

"So very true...stand proud mate...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We are all one & deserve to be seen as such!

Those who think racism isn’t rife today have either not experienced it or they’re ignorant to it.

My earliest experience of racism is a black person was when I was 5 years old. The sooner we come together and unite as a species rather than the colour of our skin, or the religion we follow, or what political side we agree with, the better.

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By *heblackmac OP Man over a year ago

Ladywell, Lewisham.

"Big respect my brother. Black and proud

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Maybe we should all stand up and fight for all the young white girls in the uk getting abused my Muslim grooming gangs and the press and police covering it up

Surely this calls for your own thread? "

Think it demonstrates what the guy is saying two posts. Up, all lives matter, when you start saying black lives matter you are excluding and dividing by default and people pick sides.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Maybe we should all stand up and fight for all the young white girls in the uk getting abused my Muslim grooming gangs and the press and police covering it up

Surely this calls for your own thread?

Think it demonstrates what the guy is saying two posts. Up, all lives matter, when you start saying black lives matter you are excluding and dividing by default and people pick sides. "

No. No one is saying "only black lives matter". But let's not derail from an important issue causing a crisis right now.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Maybe we should all stand up and fight for all the young white girls in the uk getting abused my Muslim grooming gangs and the press and police covering it up

Surely this calls for your own thread?

Think it demonstrates what the guy is saying two posts. Up, all lives matter, when you start saying black lives matter you are excluding and dividing by default and people pick sides.

No. No one is saying "only black lives matter". But let's not derail from an important issue causing a crisis right now."

It's a few posts up now and it's what the banners have said that are being waved around on news.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Good and so you should! Stand tall and be proud of who you are always

I think for racism to even be an issue in this day and age is disgusting and Just goes to show thay at base level we as a species are evolving very very slowly.

I thought as a global society we should be progressive not oppressive...

I personally think hanging is too good for the policemen responsible, aren't the Police meant to serve and protect?? They had a duty of care and failed massively.

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By *ilkynmyzzyCouple over a year ago

Bridlington

We stand shoulder to shoulder on this with you.

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By *hubbycheckerMan over a year ago

Porstmouth

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Can we have a thread about black people and the suffering they go through without derailing to how some minorities are bad to white people sometimes? Is that really too much to ask?!

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By *randMrsCambridgeCouple over a year ago

Stansted (Herts/Essex)

100% agree with you. 100% support BlackLivesMatter. 100% agree with your statement Different colours ONE people

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I can tell you that being black and being stopped by the police because ‘there’s been a drug deal in the area and you fit the description’ is still one of the scariest things.

I can tell you that for black people, none of the racist incidents that are being brought to light are shocking. We live this. I am only twenty three and I’ve had so many experiences with racism. It’s almost broken me completely having to accept that this is just my place in the world. I’ve been at the lowest of points because of it. So seeing all of this isn’t new. But it is exhausting.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Can we have a thread about black people and the suffering they go through without derailing to how some minorities are bad to white people sometimes? Is that really too much to ask?!"

On fab? Yes

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I can tell you that being black and being stopped by the police because ‘there’s been a drug deal in the area and you fit the description’ is still one of the scariest things.

I stand with you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I can tell you that being black and being stopped by the police because ‘there’s been a drug deal in the area and you fit the description’ is still one of the scariest things.

That is heartbreaking to read, you should not have to just accept that

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By *atonMan over a year ago

barnet

black lives matter is a devicive and insidious organisation that promotes violence. Some perspective is required in this situation and an honest dialogue about race relations. In America the black population accounts for 15 per cent of the population and yet commit over 50 per cent of the crime . In the UK 75 per cent of violent crime in urban areas is committed by blacks.80 per cent of homicides in America are black on black . Whites are twice as likely to be murdered by blacks than blacks by whites. It is a shockingly disproportionate anomaly. Of course the actions of those police officers are disgusting and they should face murder charges. However the problems of the black minority in the US are the result of a propensity toward absent fathers a celebration of guns gangs and violence through an insidious music genre and a culture of victimology . Its this 'blame everything on the white man ' shtick that is stalling the progress of black America. There is lots of research that shows that if two young boys of the same age go to similar schools and achieve the same results go to college ,study hard ,then the same opportunities present themselves to both . I genuinely care and despair for young black men labelled uncle toms for trying to forge a future , for taking personal responsibility .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I can tell you that being black and being stopped by the police because ‘there’s been a drug deal in the area and you fit the description’ is still one of the scariest things.

I stand with you."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I can tell you that being black and being stopped by the police because ‘there’s been a drug deal in the area and you fit the description’ is still one of the scariest things.

That is heartbreaking to read, you should not have to just accept that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *emorefridaCouple over a year ago

La la land

"I can tell you that being black and being stopped by the police because ‘there’s been a drug deal in the area and you fit the description’ is still one of the scariest things.

It isn't right and it's not the environment I want to live in either.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"black lives matter is a devicive and insidious organisation that promotes violence. Some perspective is required in this situation and an honest dialogue about race relations. In America the black population accounts for 15 per cent of the population and yet commit over 50 per cent of the crime . In the UK 75 per cent of violent crime in urban areas is committed by blacks.80 per cent of homicides in America are black on black . Whites are twice as likely to be murdered by blacks than blacks by whites. It is a shockingly disproportionate anomaly. Of course the actions of those police officers are disgusting and they should face murder charges. However the problems of the black minority in the US are the result of a propensity toward absent fathers a celebration of guns gangs and violence through an insidious music genre and a culture of victimology . Its this 'blame everything on the white man ' shtick that is stalling the progress of black America. There is lots of research that shows that if two young boys of the same age go to similar schools and achieve the same results go to college ,study hard ,then the same opportunities present themselves to both . I genuinely care and despair for young black men labelled uncle toms for trying to forge a future , for taking personal responsibility .

I've tried to keep quiet on this thread but I need to agree with the above!

Very well said!

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS over a year ago

Notts

I've tried to keep quiet on this thread but I need to agree with the above!

Very well said!"

There are people who try to put forward reason on these threads but most people just want to bang a drum and wave a banner! It's basically bullying and mob rule.... they don't even read the thread just shout a lot and like to think it has proved how righteous they are lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There are so many inaccuracies in this that it would take about a year to go through it all. I will pick up on one. You say that if two boys (one white, one black) go to the same school and achieve the same/similair results, then the same opportunities present themselves to both is factually in correct. The black child is statistically more likely to be passed over for promotion, pay rise etc. This is due to a bais and direct/indirect discrimination. If you take for being prime minister in this country. As a black person you are 64 times unlikely to get the role, even if presented with the same education etc. The point is, for most black people these opportunities are not presented.

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By *atonMan over a year ago

barnet

We live in a capitalist society and capatalism doesn't care about ethnicity. I work in local government and there is the bame initiative and I know for a fact that two candidates with equal qualifications its the ethnic guy who will prevail. Even if you are right and equal opportunities are not forthcoming ' strange as the Asian communities never seem to regaiile about lack of opportunity' the narrative your perpetuating leads to young black men never breaking the cycle of resentment and disenfranchisement.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Tempted to start a thread called

"White and proud"

"Straight and proud"

Imagine the outcry? I'd probably get banned from fab for life!

Just for the record, I have nothing against any race. I'm not a lover of religion though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I just can’t comprehend this level of ignorance on social issues and the intersections of race and class in society, let alone in American society. You know, the place where Jim Crow was only abolished in 1965. After ghettoising black communities for a century, denying them the ability to even sit text to White people, of course you sign a bill and they’re equal. And it’s their fault that they’re not. Racism is the problem. It’s what bully America and it’s what keeps it going. And generally, in societies across the western world that have Black people living there, nearly every single one has historical problems with racism that affect black communities in ways that you clearly can’t comprehend. There’s academics that have written about it. There’s independent inquiries about it. There’s countless evidence. There’s also, ummm... history books. At this point, your opinion formed from your experience which I might add is not as a black person is not only insulting but it pesaos the dangerous myth that it’s Black people’s fault that they suffer across the world. I would offer a conversation in which I might point you in the direction of resources that might help you learn, but I’m so so tired of this shit and I’m so so tired of being gaslit I’ll give it a miss. Good God, what an evil world.

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By *affeine DuskMan over a year ago

Caerphilly

"Tempted to start a thread called

"White and proud"

"Straight and proud"

Imagine the outcry? I'd probably get banned from fab for life!

Just for the record, I have nothing against any race. I'm not a lover of religion though.

You can do that if you want.

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By *emorefridaCouple over a year ago

La la land

Went to look at the latest US statistics. I went for your whites are twice as likely to be killed by blacks. If you go on the FBI website and their figures for 2016 are this homicide

Whites total homicides = 3499

Rates of offender

White = 2854

Black = 583

Other = 40

Unknown = 72

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Thanks fabbers. But no thanks.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I can tell you that being black and being stopped by the police because ‘there’s been a drug deal in the area and you fit the description’ is still one of the scariest things.

It isn't right and it's not the environment I want to live in either. "

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By *atonMan over a year ago

barnet

There is racism institutionalised and subliminal undoubtably. Do we address that by feeding young children a narrative of hate or positivity. Sounds patronising coming from a white dude but as the son of an Irish immigrant as a young apprentice footballer I suffered terrible racist abuse as the only Irish man at the club.My father talked about signs on pub doors no blacks no Irish no dogs.

The Irish went on to build the bloody country.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Tempted to start a thread called

"White and proud"

"Straight and proud"

Imagine the outcry? I'd probably get banned from fab for life!

Just for the record, I have nothing against any race. I'm not a lover of religion though.

Do you even know where the ‘black and proud’ comes from? What it is born from? Where things like ‘black is beautiful’ come from? Why they exist?

And then consider where ‘white and proud’ comes from. The white supremacy that it defends. That it justifies. And then, go ahead, do us a favour and do that thread.

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By *affeine DuskMan over a year ago

Caerphilly

"Tempted to start a thread called

"White and proud"

"Straight and proud"

Imagine the outcry? I'd probably get banned from fab for life!

Just for the record, I have nothing against any race. I'm not a lover of religion though.

Do you even know where the ‘black and proud’ comes from? What it is born from? Where things like ‘black is beautiful’ come from? Why they exist?

And then consider where ‘white and proud’ comes from. The white supremacy that it defends. That it justifies. And then, go ahead, do us a favour and do that thread.

I didn't have time to type it but you always say things better.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We all discriminate when choosing employees. It's a lie to say we don't. I interviewed people and had to score their answers , the highest score should get the job. I had to work with the person being hired. The one that scored the highest, her face didn't fit. The one that giggled through the interview and messed it up ever so slightly got the job . Not on merit but on her bubbly personality and cheery disposition. My co worker and I agreed we would rather look at her face all day than the stuck up sour faced cow that was the better applicant . Or she wasn't the better applicant but she could rhyme off the textbook interview answers like a pro. So discrimination happens whether your black or white. You can both be at the same level academically but character makes a difference. The polish for instance , you would pick over a Brit any day of the week because their reputation as hard workers procedes them. If the choice was between an arrogant self entitled white man and a enthusiastic determined black guy. Who would you pick? Or between a career driven white man and a I'm never going to make it cause I'm black , life's so unfair attitude black man. You would pick differently. Not for the colour of their skin but their character.

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By *entleman_spyMan over a year ago

nearby

"If you don't think similar would happen here you won't have heard about the black dad tasered in front of his crying kid at a petrol station here a couple of weeks ago.

It popped up in my news feed and the sound of that distressed kid will haunt me always.

That never would have happened to a white middle class guy, here or there.

The message in 2020 is still if you're black, know your place or the powers that be will stomp you.

This was a totally different situation of a d*unk driver who had gone out driving with a child in the car was resisting arrest and had tried to hit one of the officers - the treatment would have been the same for any other offender acting in the same way no matter their race.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There is racism institutionalised and subliminal undoubtably. Do we address that by feeding young children a narrative of hate or positivity. Sounds patronising coming from a white dude but as the son of an Irish immigrant as a young apprentice footballer I suffered terrible racist abuse as the only Irish man at the club.My father talked about signs on pub doors no blacks no Irish no dogs.

The Irish went on to build the bloody country."

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By *atonMan over a year ago

barnet

The Irish went on to build the bloody country.

The racism Irish people face and have historically faced is not to be downplayed. It’s also not relevant to bring up right now and seems disingenuous. But I’ll add, you need to read and there’s plenty put academic stuff because you know that’s the stuff I think you’ll respect, on white supremacy and anti blackness and how even Irish people, display and have displayed anti blackness. You should also read about whiteness and consider how Irish people are able to conform to whiteness in ways that, obviously, Black people can not. The fact I have to explain this to adults old enough to be my parents is alarming. Seen as you know, all the young people on fab are stupid"
Racism should not be downplayed and then you call me untruthful and imply my experience is not valid. You have to be black to be a victim of racism? The point I made and you missed is that I got on with my life and refused to be identified by a festering resentment as did most irishmen.

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By *atonMan over a year ago

barnet

The Irish went on to build the bloody country.

The racism Irish people face and have historically faced is not to be downplayed. It’s also not relevant to bring up right now and seems disingenuous. But I’ll add, you need to read and there’s plenty put academic stuff because you know that’s the stuff I think you’ll respect, on white supremacy and anti blackness and how even Irish people, display and have displayed anti blackness. You should also read about whiteness and consider how Irish people are able to conform to whiteness in ways that, obviously, Black people can not. The fact I have to explain this to adults old enough to be my parents is alarming. Seen as you know, all the young people on fab are stupidRacism should not be downplayed and then you call me untruthful and imply my experience is not valid. You have to be black to be a victim of racism? The point I made and you missed is that I got on with my life and refused to be identified by a festering resentment as did most irishmen."
Thank you for the suggestion I should read more . I will take your advice only not anything you pen.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

When the last president of America was black, black judges, black lawyers, black builders, black police.... Claiming your life is shit coz you're black rings hollow..... One of the NFL black players went on record to say, most of the nfl is black thanks to slavery and I don't hear any of them complaining about it lol and I get his point.

yes everyone should be treated equally and some people have advantages, I have seen notes on my employment record that refer to the colour of my skin ..... Being gay wasn't even fucking legal ! You didn't have to actually be a witch to get yourself burnt at the stake! But being a career criminal and getting arrested certainly doesn't strengthen an argument.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Great post.

"Maybe we should all stand up and fight for all the young white girls in the uk getting abused my Muslim grooming gangs and the press and police covering it up "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think you may have just justified my point. You may not discriminate on colour but there are a number of people who have and do subconsciously or not. I have interviewed a number of people and continue to do so. I work with a number of people across a wide range of disciplines. When you see people of colour, be it black, Asian who are usually over qualified than the person who gets the role, a question must be asked. The amount of times I have sat on on panels and I hear, that persons face wouldn't fit or they are over qualified. To answer your question, I would employ employ the polish worker over the British worker. I would judge them on merit and that alone. If the brisith worker, had better qualifications, better experience all round and scored higher, then I would hire that person. It to easy to say that we all discriminate. Even with all initiatives the statistics will still tell you,disproportionately ethic minorities will still.be overlooked.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I knew the parents of the first lad to get 9 a star a levels, yes 9, he applied to Oxford and they didn't really want him, said lots of our pupils could do that but choose not to, we want someone that is more rounded..... That has other interests....He was white, if he had been black I wonder what people would have said...

Often it's not racism its an incompatibility...... Some people enjoy theme parks others museums....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What do you base your assumption on that he wouldn’t be tasered if he was white?

Oh and he wasn’t exactly innocent of any crime and didn’t seem to care too much about his son when he was drink driving or squaring up to police officers

"I'm not going to argue whether he should have been tasered" - immediately proceeds to argue that it was justified

There was a bit of jostling between the man and the police. Did not seem to me like a situation that needed to be escalated like that.

And it's really not relevant whether he committed a crime. The whole point is that police are not judge and jury to meet out punishment. "

Where did I say that use of a taser was justified? Nowhere, because I was not there, have not seen what had happened in the build up to him being tasered or anything else that may have influenced that police officers decision for use of taser.

No, the police are not judge and jury but they have a duty to enforce the law. They believed he had committed a crime.. and he had. The fact remains if he had been compliant he would not have been tasered.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What do you base your assumption on that he wouldn’t be tasered if he was white?

Oh and he wasn’t exactly innocent of any crime and didn’t seem to care too much about his son when he was drink driving or squaring up to police officers

"I'm not going to argue whether he should have been tasered" - immediately proceeds to argue that it was justified

There was a bit of jostling between the man and the police. Did not seem to me like a situation that needed to be escalated like that.

And it's really not relevant whether he committed a crime. The whole point is that police are not judge and jury to meet out punishment.

All the people that don't want the police to get tough with criminals always change their mind when they are the victim!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ive read this thread through twice and Some of the comments come across as very much like: ‘your problems are of your own making, stop using being black as an excuse, quit moaning and do better‘.

So just put up and shut up?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So you would employ the person most qualified for the job even if their demeanor was off and your gut instinct told you they would be a thorn in your side from day one? You are a better person then me.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

All the people that don't want the police to get tough with criminals always change their mind when they are the victim!

Never a truer word spoken

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"I totally agree with the sentiments of this thread and the fact that this atrocity should never have happened.

I struggle a little with the 'Black lives matter' banner, and whilst I know why it says that I think maybe there should be an 'All lives matter' banner as well !

Because ALL live do matter !!!!! and that means black white any other colour you want to use and ANY religion or race you wish to add.... ALL live matter to me, and none more than others."

see when people say "all lives matter" i say that you are not getting the point....

its not "black lives matter"..... its black lives matter as well!!!

my mum told me and i am sure that most black parents did, that you have to work harder and be smarter to get to the same point.... that is what is drilled into us...

and i bet that most white people aren't given that "talk" when you get to a certain age.......

whenever people say "well all lives matter" i always then ask "well how many times have you been stopped and searched in your life?" cause i am betting my number is bigger than yours....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Lovely sentiment OP and I was totally with you all the way until you said you "hate", then you lost me completely....

No room in my world for hate or violence, even if the hater thinks it's justified. I think I understand where you're coming from, but words should always be chosen wisely on a sensitive subject to avoid falling into the same mindset as the perps. Rise above and spread the love!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes, because they would be the best person for the job. For me, it wouldn't be a popularity contest.