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"Yes. I know many. Why? " One of my friends just told me that his gf won’t be breastfeeding their baby because she is vegan. Wasn’t sure if this was a wind up or not (my friends do this to me). Yes I really am that thick. | |||
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"Yes. I know many. Why? One of my friends just told me that his gf won’t be breastfeeding their baby because she is vegan. Wasn’t sure if this was a wind up or not (my friends do this to me). Yes I really am that thick." Either your friend is winding up or you’re a plonker- either way- This is NOT a thing. Vegans aren’t against human breast feeding!!! They are against people breast feeding from other species! Without consent and in a way that exploits animals  | |||
"Ooh. Paradox... Is the baby a vegan..? In which case.. "That’s where I assumed they were coming from also. I will ask  | |||
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"Yes. I know many. Why? One of my friends just told me that his gf won’t be breastfeeding their baby because she is vegan. Wasn’t sure if this was a wind up or not (my friends do this to me). Yes I really am that thick. Either your friend is winding up or you’re a plonker- either way- This is NOT a thing. Vegans aren’t against human breast feeding!!! They are against people breast feeding from other species! Without consent and in a way that exploits animals "I'm not a vegan but this is my understanding as well. Human milk is for human babies. Why would that be against her veganism? | |||
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"Most choose to breast feed, there are non dairy options because many babies are allergic too- however vegans do the best they can possibly do In a non vegan world and would never criticise a mother or starve a baby that genuinely had no other options. They just believe that we must never exploit animals if it is not necessary xxx" Yes I know about soy based but vit d additive is animal derived I believe x No judgement, just an observation it would be more difficult to stick to veganism path choosing to not breastfeed. But I might be not up to date on latest info. Now I shall ask around as it made me curious | |||
"I asked. Apparently it’s none of my business. So assume wind up. Informative nonetheless, thank you "I hear you. I have always wondered why are small breasts better for breastfeeding? Maybe they're more of a kids meal! | |||
"Most choose to breast feed, there are non dairy options because many babies are allergic too- however vegans do the best they can possibly do In a non vegan world and would never criticise a mother or starve a baby that genuinely had no other options. They just believe that we must never exploit animals if it is not necessary xxx Yes I know about soy based but vit d additive is animal derived I believe x No judgement, just an observation it would be more difficult to stick to veganism path choosing to not breastfeed. But I might be not up to date on latest info. Now I shall ask around as it made me curious "Actually lost non dairy milks have vitamins added as standard. And it’s B12 that it’s the only one you can’t get from plants. However Many dairy cows zero grazed now (which is where they set the vit b12-from the soil) so they are given supplements, so humans taking supplements is no different. And no offence taken, I’m happy to explain xxxx | |||
"Most choose to breast feed, there are non dairy options because many babies are allergic too- however vegans do the best they can possibly do In a non vegan world and would never criticise a mother or starve a baby that genuinely had no other options. They just believe that we must never exploit animals if it is not necessary xxx Yes I know about soy based but vit d additive is animal derived I believe x No judgement, just an observation it would be more difficult to stick to veganism path choosing to not breastfeed. But I might be not up to date on latest info. Now I shall ask around as it made me curious
Actually lost non dairy milks have vitamins added as standard. And it’s B12 that it’s the only one you can’t get from plants. However Many dairy cows zero grazed now (which is where they set the vit b12-from the soil) so they are given supplements, so humans taking supplements is no different. And no offence taken, I’m happy to explain xxxx"I'm always happy to learn. Thanks for taking time to explain | |||
"I asked. Apparently it’s none of my business. So assume wind up. Informative nonetheless, thank you
I hear you. I have always wondered why are small breasts better for breastfeeding? Maybe they're more of a kids meal!" | |||
"Most choose to breast feed, there are non dairy options because many babies are allergic too- however vegans do the best they can possibly do In a non vegan world and would never criticise a mother or starve a baby that genuinely had no other options. They just believe that we must never exploit animals if it is not necessary xxx Yes I know about soy based but vit d additive is animal derived I believe x No judgement, just an observation it would be more difficult to stick to veganism path choosing to not breastfeed. But I might be not up to date on latest info. Now I shall ask around as it made me curious
Actually lost non dairy milks have vitamins added as standard. And it’s B12 that it’s the only one you can’t get from plants. However Many dairy cows zero grazed now (which is where they set the vit b12-from the soil) so they are given supplements, so humans taking supplements is no different. And no offence taken, I’m happy to explain xxxx
I'm always happy to learn. Thanks for taking time to explain"Anytime- and please excuse the 250 typos lol was multitasking xx | |||
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"On that note it's quite hard to find vegan friendly formula milk. Wonder what they will chose to do?" Ask for it in the shop in a very loud voice so everyone in the vicinity knows that are a vegan.  | |||
"I asked. Apparently it’s none of my business. So assume wind up. Informative nonetheless, thank you "If you asked & get told "none of your business" I don't think they were winding you up (surely they'd have said, was winding you up mate) & got embarrassed because they realised how stupid that reason was..... I'm tempted to add the next thought but I won't. I had the b12 argument with a vegan the other day, spouting the usual, so I expanded the thought into other areas, including deficiencies commonly found in vegans & where they think the ingredients for their supplements came from....didn't like being told the true circle. | |||
"I AM. Vegan and I can categorically say this is absolutely made up and ridiculous and no vegan would EVER say this " But we're not talking about your moral compass, we're are talking about the baby's. How do you know that the baby wants to eat human products? Or are you forcing your views onto them? | |||
"I asked. Apparently it’s none of my business. So assume wind up. Informative nonetheless, thank you
If you asked & get told "none of your business" I don't think they were winding you up (surely they'd have said, was winding you up mate) & got embarrassed because they realised how stupid that reason was..... I'm tempted to add the next thought but I won't.
I had the b12 argument with a vegan the other day, spouting the usual, so I expanded the thought into other areas, including deficiencies commonly found in vegans & where they think the ingredients for their supplements came from....didn't like being told the true circle. "Everything is moderation, including moderation is the answer! | |||
"I asked. Apparently it’s none of my business. So assume wind up. Informative nonetheless, thank you "Who did you ask, your mate or his GF? Sounds to me like your mate was winding you up and if you asked the GF she probably thought it was a really bizarre question | |||
"I asked. Apparently it’s none of my business. So assume wind up. Informative nonetheless, thank you
If you asked & get told "none of your business" I don't think they were winding you up (surely they'd have said, was winding you up mate) & got embarrassed because they realised how stupid that reason was..... I'm tempted to add the next thought but I won't.
I had the b12 argument with a vegan the other day, spouting the usual, so I expanded the thought into other areas, including deficiencies commonly found in vegans & where they think the ingredients for their supplements came from....didn't like being told the true circle.
Everything is moderation, including moderation is the answer!"Definitely | |||
"I asked. Apparently it’s none of my business. So assume wind up. Informative nonetheless, thank you
If you asked & get told "none of your business" I don't think they were winding you up (surely they'd have said, was winding you up mate) & got embarrassed because they realised how stupid that reason was..... I'm tempted to add the next thought but I won't.
I had the b12 argument with a vegan the other day, spouting the usual, so I expanded the thought into other areas, including deficiencies commonly found in vegans & where they think the ingredients for their supplements came from....didn't like being told the true circle. "What deficiencies? Something like 50% of the general population are low on b12 because of intensive farming. It's nothing to do with veganism, the animals are supplemented with b12 because it's no longer found much in the soil. | |||
"Of course they do. " really?  | |||
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"I asked. Apparently it’s none of my business. So assume wind up. Informative nonetheless, thank you
If you asked & get told "none of your business" I don't think they were winding you up (surely they'd have said, was winding you up mate) & got embarrassed because they realised how stupid that reason was..... I'm tempted to add the next thought but I won't.
I had the b12 argument with a vegan the other day, spouting the usual, so I expanded the thought into other areas, including deficiencies commonly found in vegans & where they think the ingredients for their supplements came from....didn't like being told the true circle. "B12 comes from bacteria not animals or plants- it’s found in the soil- that’s how it gets into animals and therefore animal products. There are many plant based sources eg mushrooms and many common products eg cereals are fortified with B12 because so many of the population (most of whom are non vegan) are deficient. It’s very easy to get supplements that are cruelty free. If you’re going to start arguments with vegans you should at least try and do your research first | |||
"I AM. Vegan and I can categorically say this is absolutely made up and ridiculous and no vegan would EVER say this But we're not talking about your moral compass, we're are talking about the baby's. How do you know that the baby wants to eat human products? Or are you forcing your views onto them? " 
Lol no I'm keeping them alive naturally...not by formulated shit | |||
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"As a Vegan couple we would like to point out that we also use buses and trains. " If you’re looking for a vegan girl drop me a line  | |||
"I asked. Apparently it’s none of my business. So assume wind up. Informative nonetheless, thank you
If you asked & get told "none of your business" I don't think they were winding you up (surely they'd have said, was winding you up mate) & got embarrassed because they realised how stupid that reason was..... I'm tempted to add the next thought but I won't.
I had the b12 argument with a vegan the other day, spouting the usual, so I expanded the thought into other areas, including deficiencies commonly found in vegans & where they think the ingredients for their supplements came from....didn't like being told the true circle.
B12 comes from bacteria not animals or plants- it’s found in the soil- that’s how it gets into animals and therefore animal products. There are many plant based sources eg mushrooms and many common products eg cereals are fortified with B12 because so many of the population (most of whom are non vegan) are deficient. It’s very easy to get supplements that are cruelty free. If you’re going to start arguments with vegans you should at least try and do your research first "Exactly. We are both vegan and this shit gets tiresome.  | |||
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"Have they tested the milk from a vegan mother. Is it as good for you as the normal stuff?" Of course they have and yes | |||
"Im sure the vegan would have told everyone who could hear them" It was a non vegan that started this public post... | |||
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"What about the poor vegetables happily living their lives before been slaughtered in their prime and consumed " Oh dear. What do animals eat again? | |||
"What about the poor vegetables happily living their lives before been slaughtered in their prime and consumed " Vegetables don’t have a central nervous system or pain centres | |||
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"What about the poor vegetables happily living their lives before been slaughtered in their prime and consumed Vegetables don’t have a central nervous system or pain centres "Bacteria are living creatures too like it or not, anything fortified needs to have the ingredients added from somewhere, things don't just just up & become that way. You don't speak plant to ask if they are in pain, it's a living thing just like most so why would you think they wouldn't? Cos it makes Ya feel better not to kill & eat something.....sorry your still doing it to a living thing, it's all the same regardless. does a jellyfish feel pain? We don't know cos we don't speak it's language. Something always has to die for another to eat. The underlying ultimate problem these days is ever increasing size of the world population the ever decreasing death rates, increasing life expectancy unnaturally & the ever increasing demand we put on the earth in every manner, not just for food, that's only 1 part. | |||
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"What about the poor vegetables happily living their lives before been slaughtered in their prime and consumed Vegetables don’t have a central nervous system or pain centres
Bacteria are living creatures too like it or not, anything fortified needs to have the ingredients added from somewhere, things don't just just up & become that way.
You don't speak plant to ask if they are in pain, it's a living thing just like most so why would you think they wouldn't? Cos it makes Ya feel better not to kill & eat something.....sorry your still doing it to a living thing, it's all the same regardless.
does a jellyfish feel pain? We don't know cos we don't speak it's language.
Something always has to die for another to eat. The underlying ultimate problem these days is ever increasing size of the world population the ever decreasing death rates, increasing life expectancy unnaturally & the ever increasing demand we put on the earth in every manner, not just for food, that's only 1 part. "Wow that’s next level ignorance. You need a central nervous system and pain centres to feel pain- plants don’t have that and neither do bacteria. Are you seriously saying you can’t see a difference between slicing a carrot and cutting a rabbits throat? Ignorant? Or troll? | |||
"What about the poor vegetables happily living their lives before been slaughtered in their prime and consumed Vegetables don’t have a central nervous system or pain centres "We don't know if they feel pain but we know they feel, There's still some people who think fish don't feel pain. | |||
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"?" Yep and anyone they can lay their hands on ........ pump, pump , pump ........dirty sods. | |||
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"What about the poor vegetables happily living their lives before been slaughtered in their prime and consumed Vegetables don’t have a central nervous system or pain centres
We don't know if they feel pain but we know they feel, There's still some people who think fish don't feel pain. "We have to eat—it’s a matter of survival. And eating plants directly—rather than feeding them to animals and then killing those animals for their flesh—requires far fewer plants and doesn’t hurt animals, who, we already know for sure, feel pain. So if you worry about plants’ welfare, going vegan is still your best option | |||
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"I do wonder if vegan breast milk is as nutritious as the real stuff. I can't see how. It must me like trying to run a 4 star car on unleaded.. " You know cows are vegan right? | |||
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"I wonder if carnivorous plants have a central nervous system. Would a vegan eat a plant that consumes insects. ? " Would you? | |||
"I do wonder if vegan breast milk is as nutritious as the real stuff. I can't see how. It must me like trying to run a 4 star car on unleaded.. " Milk isn't vegan. There is no such thing as "vegan breast milk". | |||
"I do wonder if vegan breast milk is as nutritious as the real stuff. I can't see how. It must me like trying to run a 4 star car on unleaded.. " Put a drop of "Redex" in it Tom, that used to work | |||
"I do wonder if vegan breast milk is as nutritious as the real stuff. I can't see how. It must me like trying to run a 4 star car on unleaded.. Milk isn't vegan. There is no such thing as "vegan breast milk". " ???? All human milk is vegan if it is given to a baby with the consent of the mother??? It’s not the product “milk” that vegans object to, it’s the exploitation of animals that is necessary to produce it | |||
"I do wonder if vegan breast milk is as nutritious as the real stuff. I can't see how. It must me like trying to run a 4 star car on unleaded.. Milk isn't vegan. There is no such thing as "vegan breast milk". ???? All human milk is vegan if it is given to a baby with the consent of the mother??? It’s not the product “milk” that vegans object to, it’s the exploitation of animals that is necessary to produce it " I am sure animals actually enjoy being milked. I have never seen a goat trying to get away or a cow for that matter. . | |||
"I do wonder if vegan breast milk is as nutritious as the real stuff. I can't see how. It must me like trying to run a 4 star car on unleaded.. Milk isn't vegan. There is no such thing as "vegan breast milk". ???? All human milk is vegan if it is given to a baby with the consent of the mother??? It’s not the product “milk” that vegans object to, it’s the exploitation of animals that is necessary to produce it " There are other reasons besides animal welfare for choosing a vegan diet. | |||
"I do wonder if vegan breast milk is as nutritious as the real stuff. I can't see how. It must me like trying to run a 4 star car on unleaded.. Milk isn't vegan. There is no such thing as "vegan breast milk". ???? All human milk is vegan if it is given to a baby with the consent of the mother??? It’s not the product “milk” that vegans object to, it’s the exploitation of animals that is necessary to produce it I am sure animals actually enjoy being milked. I have never seen a goat trying to get away or a cow for that matter. . " Then you have never seen cows being milked. | |||
"What about the poor vegetables happily living their lives before been slaughtered in their prime and consumed Vegetables don’t have a central nervous system or pain centres
Bacteria are living creatures too like it or not, anything fortified needs to have the ingredients added from somewhere, things don't just just up & become that way.
You don't speak plant to ask if they are in pain, it's a living thing just like most so why would you think they wouldn't? Cos it makes Ya feel better not to kill & eat something.....sorry your still doing it to a living thing, it's all the same regardless.
does a jellyfish feel pain? We don't know cos we don't speak it's language.
Something always has to die for another to eat. The underlying ultimate problem these days is ever increasing size of the world population the ever decreasing death rates, increasing life expectancy unnaturally & the ever increasing demand we put on the earth in every manner, not just for food, that's only 1 part.
Wow that’s next level ignorance. You need a central nervous system and pain centres to feel pain- plants don’t have that and neither do bacteria. Are you seriously saying you can’t see a difference between slicing a carrot and cutting a rabbits throat? Ignorant? Or troll? "Neither actually, making a point that all of these are living things, so no, technically there is no difference. Torturing a fruit fly is no different to that of a chimp, the only ones who think there is a difference are humans who are also making up their own rules as they go and have word associations linked to emotions especially death. All living things are made of energy, you kill it, eat it's energy, use that energy & when you die, your energy is returned it's all just borrowed and all about balance, You can't have one without the other. Tell me this why do you call me ignorant for recognizing we are not the rulers, do not know all, most certainly do not understand all, Everything is connected on this planet and beyond, yet we use words to demonise others such as savage & barbarians to justify actions that are actually genocides, we've depleted tribes who do live in harmony, ripped up lands for commodities to make machines all because we wanted what they had for our greed. That's ignorance. Failing to recognise a living thing is a living thing is ignorant. Trying to justify it by if they feel pain or not is ignorant (our terminology of pain), your still killing, like it or not. | |||
"I do wonder if vegan breast milk is as nutritious as the real stuff. I can't see how. It must me like trying to run a 4 star car on unleaded.. Milk isn't vegan. There is no such thing as "vegan breast milk". Agree entirely- but there are no health reasons or environmental reasons for rejective human breast milk of the mother is happy to feed her baby?? ???? All human milk is vegan if it is given to a baby with the consent of the mother??? It’s not the product “milk” that vegans object to, it’s the exploitation of animals that is necessary to produce it There are other reasons besides animal welfare for choosing a vegan diet. " | |||
"I do wonder if vegan breast milk is as nutritious as the real stuff. I can't see how. It must me like trying to run a 4 star car on unleaded.. Milk isn't vegan. There is no such thing as "vegan breast milk". ???? All human milk is vegan if it is given to a baby with the consent of the mother??? It’s not the product “milk” that vegans object to, it’s the exploitation of animals that is necessary to produce it I am sure animals actually enjoy being milked. I have never seen a goat trying to get away or a cow for that matter. . " In order to lactate cows are forcibly inseminated to impregnate them, then they begin milking them as soon as the lactate- while still pregnant. Then when they calf is born it is taken away from the mother so that her milk is kept for human consumption. When the lactation finally dries up the whole process starts again. FemalE cows bodies are ravaged for this purpose- they are literally impregnated and milked until they drop- usually around 3 years. They wouldn’t need to be “milked” if they were feeding the baby they had produced | |||
"What about the poor vegetables happily living their lives before been slaughtered in their prime and consumed Vegetables don’t have a central nervous system or pain centres
Bacteria are living creatures too like it or not, anything fortified needs to have the ingredients added from somewhere, things don't just just up & become that way.
You don't speak plant to ask if they are in pain, it's a living thing just like most so why would you think they wouldn't? Cos it makes Ya feel better not to kill & eat something.....sorry your still doing it to a living thing, it's all the same regardless.
does a jellyfish feel pain? We don't know cos we don't speak it's language.
Something always has to die for another to eat. The underlying ultimate problem these days is ever increasing size of the world population the ever decreasing death rates, increasing life expectancy unnaturally & the ever increasing demand we put on the earth in every manner, not just for food, that's only 1 part.
Wow that’s next level ignorance. You need a central nervous system and pain centres to feel pain- plants don’t have that and neither do bacteria. Are you seriously saying you can’t see a difference between slicing a carrot and cutting a rabbits throat? Ignorant? Or troll?
Neither actually, making a point that all of these are living things, so no, technically there is no difference. Torturing a fruit fly is no different to that of a chimp, the only ones who think there is a difference are humans who are also making up their own rules as they go and have word associations linked to emotions especially death.
All living things are made of energy, you kill it, eat it's energy, use that energy & when you die, your energy is returned it's all just borrowed and all about balance, You can't have one without the other.
Tell me this why do you call me ignorant for recognizing we are not the rulers, do not know all, most certainly do not understand all, Everything is connected on this planet and beyond, yet we use words to demonise others such as savage & barbarians to justify actions that are actually genocides, we've depleted tribes who do live in harmony, ripped up lands for commodities to make machines all because we wanted what they had for our greed. That's ignorance.
Failing to recognise a living thing is a living thing is ignorant. Trying to justify it by if they feel pain or not is ignorant (our terminology of pain), your still killing, like it or not. "Comparing germs to animals is ludicrous | |||
"?" Good question OP, you're obviously a deep thinker. Also would a Vegan eat cheese made from lady milk? And would it make a difference whether the milk was given willingly or not? I like these moral dilemma questions. | |||
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"Surely vegan mums should feed skimmed breast milk to avoid passing on animal fat to an unsuspecting vegan baby" Why is the baby vegan in this scenario? | |||
"Surely vegan mums should feed skimmed breast milk to avoid passing on animal fat to an unsuspecting vegan baby" "An unsuspecting vegan baby" WTF | |||
"What about the poor vegetables happily living their lives before been slaughtered in their prime and consumed Vegetables don’t have a central nervous system or pain centres
Bacteria are living creatures too like it or not, anything fortified needs to have the ingredients added from somewhere, things don't just just up & become that way.
You don't speak plant to ask if they are in pain, it's a living thing just like most so why would you think they wouldn't? Cos it makes Ya feel better not to kill & eat something.....sorry your still doing it to a living thing, it's all the same regardless.
does a jellyfish feel pain? We don't know cos we don't speak it's language.
Something always has to die for another to eat. The underlying ultimate problem these days is ever increasing size of the world population the ever decreasing death rates, increasing life expectancy unnaturally & the ever increasing demand we put on the earth in every manner, not just for food, that's only 1 part.
Wow that’s next level ignorance. You need a central nervous system and pain centres to feel pain- plants don’t have that and neither do bacteria. Are you seriously saying you can’t see a difference between slicing a carrot and cutting a rabbits throat? Ignorant? Or troll?
Neither actually, making a point that all of these are living things, so no, technically there is no difference. Torturing a fruit fly is no different to that of a chimp, the only ones who think there is a difference are humans who are also making up their own rules as they go and have word associations linked to emotions especially death.
All living things are made of energy, you kill it, eat it's energy, use that energy & when you die, your energy is returned it's all just borrowed and all about balance, You can't have one without the other.
Tell me this why do you call me ignorant for recognizing we are not the rulers, do not know all, most certainly do not understand all, Everything is connected on this planet and beyond, yet we use words to demonise others such as savage & barbarians to justify actions that are actually genocides, we've depleted tribes who do live in harmony, ripped up lands for commodities to make machines all because we wanted what they had for our greed. That's ignorance.
Failing to recognise a living thing is a living thing is ignorant. Trying to justify it by if they feel pain or not is ignorant (our terminology of pain), your still killing, like it or not.
Comparing germs to animals is ludicrous "Why? They're living beings & we started from bacteria, they are just as much alive as we are so are viruses. They just live differently from us. In my opinion There's no such thing as a or pest either, it's human terminology put in place to justify what we do as with many other things. Example, its OK to put an animal down to prevent suffering & lower life quality but not a human or cull animal populations but not our own. They are the same thing, I just see the different perspective. | |||
"What about the poor vegetables happily living their lives before been slaughtered in their prime and consumed Vegetables don’t have a central nervous system or pain centres
Bacteria are living creatures too like it or not, anything fortified needs to have the ingredients added from somewhere, things don't just just up & become that way.
You don't speak plant to ask if they are in pain, it's a living thing just like most so why would you think they wouldn't? Cos it makes Ya feel better not to kill & eat something.....sorry your still doing it to a living thing, it's all the same regardless.
does a jellyfish feel pain? We don't know cos we don't speak it's language.
Something always has to die for another to eat. The underlying ultimate problem these days is ever increasing size of the world population the ever decreasing death rates, increasing life expectancy unnaturally & the ever increasing demand we put on the earth in every manner, not just for food, that's only 1 part.
Wow that’s next level ignorance. You need a central nervous system and pain centres to feel pain- plants don’t have that and neither do bacteria. Are you seriously saying you can’t see a difference between slicing a carrot and cutting a rabbits throat? Ignorant? Or troll?
Neither actually, making a point that all of these are living things, so no, technically there is no difference. Torturing a fruit fly is no different to that of a chimp, the only ones who think there is a difference are humans who are also making up their own rules as they go and have word associations linked to emotions especially death.
All living things are made of energy, you kill it, eat it's energy, use that energy & when you die, your energy is returned it's all just borrowed and all about balance, You can't have one without the other.
Tell me this why do you call me ignorant for recognizing we are not the rulers, do not know all, most certainly do not understand all, Everything is connected on this planet and beyond, yet we use words to demonise others such as savage & barbarians to justify actions that are actually genocides, we've depleted tribes who do live in harmony, ripped up lands for commodities to make machines all because we wanted what they had for our greed. That's ignorance.
Failing to recognise a living thing is a living thing is ignorant. Trying to justify it by if they feel pain or not is ignorant (our terminology of pain), your still killing, like it or not.
Comparing germs to animals is ludicrous
Why? They're living beings & we started from bacteria, they are just as much alive as we are so are viruses. They just live differently from us. In my opinion There's no such thing as a or pest either, it's human terminology put in place to justify what we do as with many other things. Example, its OK to put an animal down to prevent suffering & lower life quality but not a human or cull animal populations but not our own.
They are the same thing, I just see the different perspective. "You must be one of those rare people that can exist of fresh air. And never clean your house | |||
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"I regret starting this thread." Too late now you put ‘vegan’ on a subject! Its a dream opportunity for advocative meat eaters to show how clever they are to vegans   | |||
"I regret starting this thread." If you had sex with my wife, none of this would have happened.  | |||
"I regret starting this thread. If you had sex with my wife, none of this would have happened. " | |||
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"What about the poor vegetables happily living their lives before been slaughtered in their prime and consumed Vegetables don’t have a central nervous system or pain centres
Bacteria are living creatures too like it or not, anything fortified needs to have the ingredients added from somewhere, things don't just just up & become that way.
You don't speak plant to ask if they are in pain, it's a living thing just like most so why would you think they wouldn't? Cos it makes Ya feel better not to kill & eat something.....sorry your still doing it to a living thing, it's all the same regardless.
does a jellyfish feel pain? We don't know cos we don't speak it's language.
Something always has to die for another to eat. The underlying ultimate problem these days is ever increasing size of the world population the ever decreasing death rates, increasing life expectancy unnaturally & the ever increasing demand we put on the earth in every manner, not just for food, that's only 1 part.
Wow that’s next level ignorance. You need a central nervous system and pain centres to feel pain- plants don’t have that and neither do bacteria. Are you seriously saying you can’t see a difference between slicing a carrot and cutting a rabbits throat? Ignorant? Or troll?
Neither actually, making a point that all of these are living things, so no, technically there is no difference. Torturing a fruit fly is no different to that of a chimp, the only ones who think there is a difference are humans who are also making up their own rules as they go and have word associations linked to emotions especially death.
All living things are made of energy, you kill it, eat it's energy, use that energy & when you die, your energy is returned it's all just borrowed and all about balance, You can't have one without the other.
Tell me this why do you call me ignorant for recognizing we are not the rulers, do not know all, most certainly do not understand all, Everything is connected on this planet and beyond, yet we use words to demonise others such as savage & barbarians to justify actions that are actually genocides, we've depleted tribes who do live in harmony, ripped up lands for commodities to make machines all because we wanted what they had for our greed. That's ignorance.
Failing to recognise a living thing is a living thing is ignorant. Trying to justify it by if they feel pain or not is ignorant (our terminology of pain), your still killing, like it or not.
Comparing germs to animals is ludicrous
Why? They're living beings & we started from bacteria, they are just as much alive as we are so are viruses. They just live differently from us. In my opinion There's no such thing as a or pest either, it's human terminology put in place to justify what we do as with many other things. Example, its OK to put an animal down to prevent suffering & lower life quality but not a human or cull animal populations but not our own.
They are the same thing, I just see the different perspective.
You must be one of those rare people that can exist of fresh air. And never clean your house "Why? Because I see balance in life which extends to all things not just humans and obvious animals. Of course I eat, but not more than I need and of course I clean my house, too much dirt is just as bad as too little again, it's balance. My views are more inline with the indigenous tribes because it's the way the world really works, not the way humans have manipulated it to work. Some things are inescapable currently, like "owning land". You can't own land in nature you can only occupy it & you become part of that eco system so balance has to be maintained or you'll end up like the world is heading towards now with soil dying from over farming, water ways polluted by manufacturing & intensive farm waste, animal populations depleting, acidic oceans etc. Everything affects each other and all has to be in balance or it'll fail. | |||
"What about the poor vegetables happily living their lives before been slaughtered in their prime and consumed Vegetables don’t have a central nervous system or pain centres
Bacteria are living creatures too like it or not, anything fortified needs to have the ingredients added from somewhere, things don't just just up & become that way.
You don't speak plant to ask if they are in pain, it's a living thing just like most so why would you think they wouldn't? Cos it makes Ya feel better not to kill & eat something.....sorry your still doing it to a living thing, it's all the same regardless.
does a jellyfish feel pain? We don't know cos we don't speak it's language.
Something always has to die for another to eat. The underlying ultimate problem these days is ever increasing size of the world population the ever decreasing death rates, increasing life expectancy unnaturally & the ever increasing demand we put on the earth in every manner, not just for food, that's only 1 part.
Wow that’s next level ignorance. You need a central nervous system and pain centres to feel pain- plants don’t have that and neither do bacteria. Are you seriously saying you can’t see a difference between slicing a carrot and cutting a rabbits throat? Ignorant? Or troll?
Neither actually, making a point that all of these are living things, so no, technically there is no difference. Torturing a fruit fly is no different to that of a chimp, the only ones who think there is a difference are humans who are also making up their own rules as they go and have word associations linked to emotions especially death.
All living things are made of energy, you kill it, eat it's energy, use that energy & when you die, your energy is returned it's all just borrowed and all about balance, You can't have one without the other.
Tell me this why do you call me ignorant for recognizing we are not the rulers, do not know all, most certainly do not understand all, Everything is connected on this planet and beyond, yet we use words to demonise others such as savage & barbarians to justify actions that are actually genocides, we've depleted tribes who do live in harmony, ripped up lands for commodities to make machines all because we wanted what they had for our greed. That's ignorance.
Failing to recognise a living thing is a living thing is ignorant. Trying to justify it by if they feel pain or not is ignorant (our terminology of pain), your still killing, like it or not.
Comparing germs to animals is ludicrous
Why? They're living beings & we started from bacteria, they are just as much alive as we are so are viruses. They just live differently from us. In my opinion There's no such thing as a or pest either, it's human terminology put in place to justify what we do as with many other things. Example, its OK to put an animal down to prevent suffering & lower life quality but not a human or cull animal populations but not our own.
They are the same thing, I just see the different perspective.
You must be one of those rare people that can exist of fresh air. And never clean your house
Why? Because I see balance in life which extends to all things not just humans and obvious animals.
Of course I eat, but not more than I need and of course I clean my house, too much dirt is just as bad as too little again, it's balance.
My views are more inline with the indigenous tribes because it's the way the world really works, not the way humans have manipulated it to work. Some things are inescapable currently, like "owning land". You can't own land in nature you can only occupy it & you become part of that eco system so balance has to be maintained or you'll end up like the world is heading towards now with soil dying from over farming, water ways polluted by manufacturing & intensive farm waste, animal populations depleting, acidic oceans etc.
Everything affects each other and all has to be in balance or it'll fail. "Straw man away dear | |||
"I was chatting to a man and we were discussing if maleria could be eradicated and is it more lucrative for drug companies to keep malaria going rather than eradicate it. His view was that the Malia parasite has as much right to life as us. It changed my view. I believe he is correct." I believe that human life lost through the the disease is more important than the existence of the malaria parasite. 400,000 people died of malaria in 2018. I'd rather these people were alive. I also fail to see what this has to go with people's choice of a vegan diet or not. | |||
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"That's because humans have an odd affiliation to death compared to other animals & see anything that isn't human as inferior to a human especially if it's small & can kill us therefore it's fine to wipe out other living things such as viruses and disease despite them being there to keep the balance & control populations in the first place, every species has its own, no other species does what we do with "medicines" worst of all we feel justified in doing so. " So if you had a choice of killing a human stranger or a malaria parasite (also a stranger). Would you have a moral dilemma on your hands? | |||
"That's because humans have an odd affiliation to death compared to other animals & see anything that isn't human as inferior to a human especially if it's small & can kill us therefore it's fine to wipe out other living things such as viruses and disease despite them being there to keep the balance & control populations in the first place, every species has its own, no other species does what we do with "medicines" worst of all we feel justified in doing so. So if you had a choice of killing a human stranger or a malaria parasite (also a stranger). Would you have a moral dilemma on your hands?" It's strange that people rage against the near extinction of animals but happy to wipe out a malaria parasite. Both are life. It's a concept I recently thought about | |||
"That's because humans have an odd affiliation to death compared to other animals & see anything that isn't human as inferior to a human especially if it's small & can kill us therefore it's fine to wipe out other living things such as viruses and disease despite them being there to keep the balance & control populations in the first place, every species has its own, no other species does what we do with "medicines" worst of all we feel justified in doing so. So if you had a choice of killing a human stranger or a malaria parasite (also a stranger). Would you have a moral dilemma on your hands? It's strange that people rage against the near extinction of animals but happy to wipe out a malaria parasite. Both are life. It's a concept I recently thought about" So, same question to you: Which would you kill, a human, or a malaria parasite? | |||
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"Let both live" You're missing the point. Of course you don't have to answer the question. But then what's the point in making a point in a discussion, if you're not prepared to discuss it. My point is that there is not a equal importance between a human life and a single celled parasite. In anycase, what does this relates to your weird views of people who chose vegan diets and breast milk? | |||
"Let both live You're missing the point. Of course you don't have to answer the question. But then what's the point in making a point in a discussion, if you're not prepared to discuss it. My point is that there is not a equal importance between a human life and a single celled parasite. In anycase, what does this relates to your weird views of people who chose vegan diets and breast milk?" Ignoring the 'weird view' slight I have explained. I appreciate that parasites have a right to life. It's not my view that we are superior. But it's not my thread. I will start another | |||
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"I have no issue with vegetarianism although I think veganism is a bit extreme. It's like religion. And some people take that to extremes too." Just don't worry about, or judge other people's choice of diet. That works well for me. | |||
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"Well plenty of vegans judge others including the morons disturbing diners in a steak restaurant.. Awful publicity for law abiding vegans.. " It's almost as if being vegan or not isn't the issue. And in fact the issue is judgemental people. Hmmm. | |||
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"Does anybody know if a true vegan will eat a carnivorous insect eating plant ?" What's a "true vegan"? What's they're reasoning for being vegan (there are multiple potential separate reasons) Are there any edible carnivorous plants? | |||
"I regret starting this thread. Ask him if she swallows. (Waves placard) "What about the tadpoles???!"" I dated a vegetarian once, she was giving me our first blowjob, I asked her if she swallowed and she said 'No, I told you I'm a vegetarian" | |||
"On another note about vegans do they get as excited when mowing the lawn as I do when cooking a bbq??? "I don’t have a lawn to mow but I enjoy bbq my aubergines, oh how I miss that sizzle | |||
"I regret starting this thread. Ask him if she swallows. (Waves placard) "What about the tadpoles???!" I dated a vegetarian once, she was giving me our first blowjob, I asked her if she swallowed and she said 'No, I told you I'm a vegetarian" "She lied, vegetarians drink milk  | |||
"I have no issue with vegetarianism although I think veganism is a bit extreme. It's like religion. And some people take that to extremes too. Just don't worry about, or judge other people's choice of diet. That works well for me." I second that | |||
"Let both live You're missing the point. Of course you don't have to answer the question. But then what's the point in making a point in a discussion, if you're not prepared to discuss it. My point is that there is not a equal importance between a human life and a single celled parasite. In anycase, what does this relates to your weird views of people who chose vegan diets and breast milk?" Our weird views? They're not weird they are the way the world actually works not this capitalism bullshit that we're all fed from birth and how humans are more important than any other species. Again it's balance, the single celled parasite helps control populations of not just humans but other species too. At the moment I'm on the side of the single celled parasite rather than that of the multicelled 2 legged parasite that has caused more global devastation & imbalance in the last 200 years than any other species on the history of the earth. This all came up because vegans claim that they are right by saying eating animals is wrong, I pointed out plants are living things too so that argument is weak never mind the millenia's of humans and other predators that would say otherwise. Population sizes & human demand on the earth is the issue | |||
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"Human milk, for human babies, I cant see where the conflict would arise." If the baby is vegan they might be repulsed by animal human milk | |||
"Let both live You're missing the point. Of course you don't have to answer the question. But then what's the point in making a point in a discussion, if you're not prepared to discuss it. My point is that there is not a equal importance between a human life and a single celled parasite. In anycase, what does this relates to your weird views of people who chose vegan diets and breast milk? Our weird views? They're not weird they are the way the world actually works not this capitalism bullshit that we're all fed from birth and how humans are more important than any other species. Again it's balance, the single celled parasite helps control populations of not just humans but other species too. At the moment I'm on the side of the single celled parasite rather than that of the multicelled 2 legged parasite that has caused more global devastation & imbalance in the last 200 years than any other species on the history of the earth. This all came up because vegans claim that they are right by saying eating animals is wrong, I pointed out plants are living things too so that argument is weak never mind the millenia's of humans and other predators that would say otherwise. Population sizes & human demand on the earth is the issue " Weird: adjective; Very strange and unusual, unexpected or not natural. I maintain my stance that your view of a single celled organism being more important than human life, is weird. | |||
"Human milk, for human babies, I cant see where the conflict would arise. If the baby is vegan they might be repulsed by animal human milk " Why would a baby be vegan? I don't think you know what "vegan" means. You're asking the most bizarre questions. | |||
"Human milk, for human babies, I cant see where the conflict would arise. If the baby is vegan they might be repulsed by animal human milk " Rubbish. Its perfectly natural. Babies will actually wriggle their way to the breast to get the milk. | |||
"Human milk, for human babies, I cant see where the conflict would arise. If the baby is vegan they might be repulsed by animal human milk Rubbish. Its perfectly natural. Babies will actually wriggle their way to the breast to get the milk." Some babies.. not all | |||
"Human milk, for human babies, I cant see where the conflict would arise. If the baby is vegan they might be repulsed by animal human milk Why would a baby be vegan? I don't think you know what "vegan" means. You're asking the most bizarre questions." Why would an adult be vegan ? | |||
"Human milk, for human babies, I cant see where the conflict would arise. If the baby is vegan they might be repulsed by animal human milk Why would a baby be vegan? I don't think you know what "vegan" means. You're asking the most bizarre questions. Why would an adult be vegan ?" They could choose to be a vegan for a variety of ethical, environmental, political or health reasons. | |||
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"Trendy " Not sure any of those things are "trendy". Do you understand that a baby wouldn't have the cognitive abilities to understand any of these reasons to be a vegan? | |||
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"Human milk, for human babies, I cant see where the conflict would arise. If the baby is vegan they might be repulsed by animal human milk Rubbish. Its perfectly natural. Babies will actually wriggle their way to the breast to get the milk. Some babies.. not all " All humsn babies are programmed to drink human breast milk. Thats how biology works. | |||
"Human milk, for human babies, I cant see where the conflict would arise. If the baby is vegan they might be repulsed by animal human milk Rubbish. Its perfectly natural. Babies will actually wriggle their way to the breast to get the milk. Some babies.. not all All humsn babies are programmed to drink human breast milk. Thats how biology works." True.. and when they grow up they eat meat | |||
"Human milk, for human babies, I cant see where the conflict would arise. If the baby is vegan they might be repulsed by animal human milk Rubbish. Its perfectly natural. Babies will actually wriggle their way to the breast to get the milk. Some babies.. not all All humsn babies are programmed to drink human breast milk. Thats how biology works. True.. and when they grow up they eat meat" I am discussing breastfeeding Tom. | |||
"Human milk, for human babies, I cant see where the conflict would arise. If the baby is vegan they might be repulsed by animal human milk Rubbish. Its perfectly natural. Babies will actually wriggle their way to the breast to get the milk. Some babies.. not all All humsn babies are programmed to drink human breast milk. Thats how biology works. True.. and when they grow up they eat meat I am discussing breastfeeding Tom." And the natural progression is to meat | |||
"Veganism is a fad.." What makes you say that? Have you lost interest in e baby vegan line of questioning? | |||
"Human milk, for human babies, I cant see where the conflict would arise. If the baby is vegan they might be repulsed by animal human milk Rubbish. Its perfectly natural. Babies will actually wriggle their way to the breast to get the milk. Some babies.. not all All humsn babies are programmed to drink human breast milk. Thats how biology works. True.. and when they grow up they eat meat I am discussing breastfeeding Tom. And the natural progression is to meat " No. I am discussing breastfeeding. | |||
"Human milk, for human babies, I cant see where the conflict would arise. If the baby is vegan they might be repulsed by animal human milk Rubbish. Its perfectly natural. Babies will actually wriggle their way to the breast to get the milk. Some babies.. not all All humsn babies are programmed to drink human breast milk. Thats how biology works." Some babies reject the mother's milk | |||
"Yes. I know many. Why? One of my friends just told me that his gf won’t be breastfeeding their baby because she is vegan. Wasn’t sure if this was a wind up or not (my friends do this to me). Yes I really am that thick." You aren't thick, it's a very interesting question actually, given that milk isn't consumed by vegans. | |||
"Yes. I know many. Why? One of my friends just told me that his gf won’t be breastfeeding their baby because she is vegan. Wasn’t sure if this was a wind up or not (my friends do this to me). Yes I really am that thick. You aren't thick, it's a very interesting question actually, given that milk isn't consumed by vegans. " In this scenario, the mother is the vegan, not the baby. So it doesn't make sense. | |||
"I asked. Apparently it’s none of my business. So assume wind up. Informative nonetheless, thank you
If you asked & get told "none of your business" I don't think they were winding you up (surely they'd have said, was winding you up mate) & got embarrassed because they realised how stupid that reason was..... I'm tempted to add the next thought but I won't.
I had the b12 argument with a vegan the other day, spouting the usual, so I expanded the thought into other areas, including deficiencies commonly found in vegans & where they think the ingredients for their supplements came from....didn't like being told the true circle.
What deficiencies? Something like 50% of the general population are low on b12 because of intensive farming. It's nothing to do with veganism, the animals are supplemented with b12 because it's no longer found much in the soil. "... Or rubbish diets.. | |||
"Yes. I know many. Why? One of my friends just told me that his gf won’t be breastfeeding their baby because she is vegan. Wasn’t sure if this was a wind up or not (my friends do this to me). Yes I really am that thick. You aren't thick, it's a very interesting question actually, given that milk isn't consumed by vegans. In this scenario, the mother is the vegan, not the baby. So it doesn't make sense." The vegan mums often bring up their children to be vegan... Is it a vegan baby ? | |||
"Yes. I know many. Why? One of my friends just told me that his gf won’t be breastfeeding their baby because she is vegan. Wasn’t sure if this was a wind up or not (my friends do this to me). Yes I really am that thick. You aren't thick, it's a very interesting question actually, given that milk isn't consumed by vegans. In this scenario, the mother is the vegan, not the baby. So it doesn't make sense. The vegan mums often bring up their children to be vegan... Is it a vegan baby ?" I don't know, this is your scenario, not mine. | |||
