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By *rouble1998Woman
over a year ago
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I travelled home from Thailand a few weeks ago and all the planes were full. It’s not economically viable for the airlines to only half fill their flights, plus its impossible to social distance when moving down the isle of a plane unfortunately |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Well if all the Brexiteers put their money where their mouths were and went out in the fields to pick the damned food we wouldn't need to fly in farm hands would we.
52% of the country need to get their hands dirty - chop chop now. |
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"They can reach us by railway
They could reach us by trailway
We’ll storm the beaches?
You can reach me with your mind"
There are hills and mountains between us
Always something to get over
If I had my way, surely you would be closer
I need you closer  |
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over a year ago
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"They can reach us by railway
They could reach us by trailway
We’ll storm the beaches?
You can reach me with your mind
There are hills and mountains between us
Always something to get over
If I had my way, surely you would be closer
I need you closer "
You really shouldn’t encourage me! |
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"They can reach us by railway
They could reach us by trailway
We’ll storm the beaches?
You can reach me with your mind
There are hills and mountains between us
Always something to get over
If I had my way, surely you would be closer
I need you closer
You really shouldn’t encourage me!"
You can windsurf into my life, take me up on a carpet ride
You can make it in a big balloon, but you better make it soon?  |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
NW London |
From what I've read any prospective workers are expected to declare themselves symptom free before boarding the plane (which is being chartered by private companies).
Part of the reason why picking is an undesirable job is that the locations are quite inaccessible for a lot of people and accomdation has to be paid for out of wages. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They can reach us by railway
They could reach us by trailway
We’ll storm the beaches?
You can reach me with your mind
There are hills and mountains between us
Always something to get over
If I had my way, surely you would be closer
I need you closer
You really shouldn’t encourage me!
You can windsurf into my life, take me up on a carpet ride
You can make it in a big balloon, but you better make it soon? "
You can reach me by caravan
Cross the desert like an Arab man  |
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"They can reach us by railway
They could reach us by trailway
We’ll storm the beaches?
You can reach me with your mind
There are hills and mountains between us
Always something to get over
If I had my way, surely you would be closer
I need you closer
You really shouldn’t encourage me!
You can windsurf into my life, take me up on a carpet ride
You can make it in a big balloon, but you better make it soon?
You can reach me by caravan
Cross the desert like an Arab man "
I don't care, I don't care
I need you right here right now
I need you right here right now right by my side yeah yeah
Get here |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They can reach us by railway
They could reach us by trailway
We’ll storm the beaches?
There was a reason why Hadrian's Wall was built ya know    "
To keep you out of the best place on Earth? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Furloughed workers are allowed to do crop picking so there shouldn't be any need for foreign workers!
Oh yeah, sorry forgot that us brits are far too good to do that! 
I've looked into it for myself but most of the jobs are up north or in Cornwall. If there were any local I'd be there like a shot. |
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over a year ago
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"Furloughed workers are allowed to do crop picking so there shouldn't be any need for foreign workers!
Oh yeah, sorry forgot that us brits are far too good to do that!
I've looked into it for myself but most of the jobs are up north or in Cornwall. If there were any local I'd be there like a shot. "
I have seen the farmers saying that even when they have British workers often we don’t work fast enough. Generally not all. |
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By *ob rodMan
over a year ago
lancaster |
They are supposed to live on site and be isolating on farm itself
If they don’t pick the food will lead to shortages
A lot of furloughed staff aren’t allowed to work under conditions set by there employers when they furloughed them
M8 got furloughed and states he would be sacked if he took employment whilst being furloughed |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Start teaching kids where their food comes from (not McDonald's or Tesco) teach them how to cook (not reheat ready meals) and finally remove the assertion that you have to go to university to succeed in life and we might just start solving the harvest problem in maybe 50 years?
That and earning your keep as a teenager, paper rounds, Saturday jobs etc learning the value of money instead of playing xbox...some fruit picking could be more productive and healthy! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Furloughed workers are allowed to do crop picking so there shouldn't be any need for foreign workers!
Oh yeah, sorry forgot that us brits are far too good to do that!
I've looked into it for myself but most of the jobs are up north or in Cornwall. If there were any local I'd be there like a shot. "
Too true..one of my customers used to use them on his farm because he got tired of the British running for cover when it rained..so much for virus control..this should be kept in country...so important business still flourishing eh..crazy. I don't get that they keep stressing the dangers etc of this virus and yet are still allowing this..total contradiction. If us brits choose not to do it call in a national service ruling..kick our asses out to this work and pay them. Sorry..bit of a rant I guess.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Furloughed workers are allowed to do crop picking so there shouldn't be any need for foreign workers!
Oh yeah, sorry forgot that us brits are far too good to do that!
I've looked into it for myself but most of the jobs are up north or in Cornwall. If there were any local I'd be there like a shot.
Too true..one of my customers used to use them on his farm because he got tired of the British running for cover when it rained..so much for virus control..this should be kept in country...so important business still flourishing eh..crazy. I don't get that they keep stressing the dangers etc of this virus and yet are still allowing this..total contradiction. If us brits choose not to do it call in a national service ruling..kick our asses out to this work and pay them. Sorry..bit of a rant I guess. "
It's good pay too. Well for someone like me it is. £10- £15 per hour. That would certainly make my life easier at the moment.
As for furloughed workers... I've been told I cant work elsewhere but I think that's unfair as I would go back to my job after the lockdown. I think that was a standard thing when this all kicked off that you signed a peice of paper to say that you wouldn't look for work and would be going back to your job. They need to change that for the good of the economy |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Furloughed workers are allowed to do crop picking so there shouldn't be any need for foreign workers!
Oh yeah, sorry forgot that us brits are far too good to do that!
I've looked into it for myself but most of the jobs are up north or in Cornwall. If there were any local I'd be there like a shot.
Too true..one of my customers used to use them on his farm because he got tired of the British running for cover when it rained..so much for virus control..this should be kept in country...so important business still flourishing eh..crazy. I don't get that they keep stressing the dangers etc of this virus and yet are still allowing this..total contradiction. If us brits choose not to do it call in a national service ruling..kick our asses out to this work and pay them. Sorry..bit of a rant I guess.
It's good pay too. Well for someone like me it is. £10- £15 per hour. That would certainly make my life easier at the moment.
As for furloughed workers... I've been told I cant work elsewhere but I think that's unfair as I would go back to my job after the lockdown. I think that was a standard thing when this all kicked off that you signed a peice of paper to say that you wouldn't look for work and would be going back to your job. They need to change that for the good of the economy "
That is stipulated but the government rather than employer. And in fact it is very strict. HMRC have said employees should not have access to work email or business social media even. And have said they will be auditing as this counts as promoting your business |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Furloughed workers are allowed to do crop picking so there shouldn't be any need for foreign workers!
Oh yeah, sorry forgot that us brits are far too good to do that!
I've looked into it for myself but most of the jobs are up north or in Cornwall. If there were any local I'd be there like a shot.
Too true..one of my customers used to use them on his farm because he got tired of the British running for cover when it rained..so much for virus control..this should be kept in country...so important business still flourishing eh..crazy. I don't get that they keep stressing the dangers etc of this virus and yet are still allowing this..total contradiction. If us brits choose not to do it call in a national service ruling..kick our asses out to this work and pay them. Sorry..bit of a rant I guess.
It's good pay too. Well for someone like me it is. £10- £15 per hour. That would certainly make my life easier at the moment.
As for furloughed workers... I've been told I cant work elsewhere but I think that's unfair as I would go back to my job after the lockdown. I think that was a standard thing when this all kicked off that you signed a peice of paper to say that you wouldn't look for work and would be going back to your job. They need to change that for the good of the economy
That is stipulated but the government rather than employer. And in fact it is very strict. HMRC have said employees should not have access to work email or business social media even. And have said they will be auditing as this counts as promoting your business"
Its total madness. I know it was all a bit of a rush job in order to cover us, for which I'm grateful. But if I was out there earning extra money then I'd be paying more tax and ni which in turn would help the economy. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Its simple without bringing in the workers the crops would rot despite there being a massive spike in brits applying for fruit and farm jobs. The works hard graft back breaking long hours and generally paid on piece rate the more you pick the more you earn and the majority of brits as others have said dont want the graft, sounds wonderful in good weather but let them have a day or two of 12 hour shifts doing it...most will go home.. |
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I've done picking before many years ago just after leaving college when I needed work. It's physically demanding and minimum wage. I was just happy seeing it as a stop gap to tide me over but most english people turn their noses up at work like that where they'll get dirty or actually gave to do some physical graft. Most of the people I worked with at the time were Russian and Ukrainian (and they hated each other), but the money they made here made them very wealthy back home when the season finished. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Its simple without bringing in the workers the crops would rot despite there being a massive spike in brits applying for fruit and farm jobs. The works hard graft back breaking long hours and generally paid on piece rate the more you pick the more you earn and the majority of brits as others have said dont want the graft, sounds wonderful in good weather but let them have a day or two of 12 hour shifts doing it...most will go home.."
Agreed but that's how it's always been..it used to be a way of life and beggars can't be choosers to coin a phrase..my work is backbreaking but it's what we do..it's what keeps the world going round..it's the core root of civilisation. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Furloughed workers are allowed to do crop picking so there shouldn't be any need for foreign workers!
Oh yeah, sorry forgot that us brits are far too good to do that!
I've looked into it for myself but most of the jobs are up north or in Cornwall. If there were any local I'd be there like a shot.
Too true..one of my customers used to use them on his farm because he got tired of the British running for cover when it rained..so much for virus control..this should be kept in country...so important business still flourishing eh..crazy. I don't get that they keep stressing the dangers etc of this virus and yet are still allowing this..total contradiction. If us brits choose not to do it call in a national service ruling..kick our asses out to this work and pay them. Sorry..bit of a rant I guess.
It's good pay too. Well for someone like me it is. £10- £15 per hour. That would certainly make my life easier at the moment.
As for furloughed workers... I've been told I cant work elsewhere but I think that's unfair as I would go back to my job after the lockdown. I think that was a standard thing when this all kicked off that you signed a peice of paper to say that you wouldn't look for work and would be going back to your job. They need to change that for the good of the economy
That is stipulated but the government rather than employer. And in fact it is very strict. HMRC have said employees should not have access to work email or business social media even. And have said they will be auditing as this counts as promoting your business
Its total madness. I know it was all a bit of a rush job in order to cover us, for which I'm grateful. But if I was out there earning extra money then I'd be paying more tax and ni which in turn would help the economy."
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We used to use Irish migrants in harvests before ww1, then they progressed to mums and children harvesting, ww2 and the 1944 education act squashed that so the seasonal agricultural workers scheme (SAWS) was brought in 1945 and that was only suspended because we had a large influx of eu migrant workers In 2013 |
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1. You are not supposed to work if furloughed as you’re business is actually being paid to keep you out of work.
2. After the initial 3 weeks of furlough you should make yourself available at all times during your contracted hours as you can be unfurlouged at any time after that.
This coming from a person who had to furlough many people so had this conversation over and over
If you do work For pay then ofcourse you will have to pay tax ( probably at a higher rate as classed as 2nd job and NI too) after traveling to these farms and maybe paying to stay some where close it probably wouldn’t be worth while.
These jobs need to go to locals who are actually not working. The farms actually struggle to get enough people from one area to work where by the can get pick ups/ drop off by mini bus ( although at present the government silly guidelines suggest you shouldn’t do that anyway ) |
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"Start teaching kids where their food comes from (not McDonald's or Tesco) teach them how to cook (not reheat ready meals) and finally remove the assertion that you have to go to university to succeed in life and we might just start solving the harvest problem in maybe 50 years?
That and earning your keep as a teenager, paper rounds, Saturday jobs etc learning the value of money instead of playing xbox...some fruit picking could be more productive and healthy! "
I looked at the jobs because my son lost his (hotel work) but they all require the staff to be over, 18. He is 17...... So, the fruit picking jobs of today are apparently not for teenagers (that's the employers requirements). |
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Sorry but you can work for another employer if you are in furlough just not anything to do with or promote your original job I have guys on furlough who have taken 4 week contracts with asda distribution |
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By *htcMan
over a year ago
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"Well if all the Brexiteers put their money where their mouths were and went out in the fields to pick the damned food we wouldn't need to fly in farm hands would we.
52% of the country need to get their hands dirty - chop chop now."
Somebody is a remainer. |
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"so the farmers of lincolnshire and norfolk are bringing in over 1000 europeans to pike crops were will the social distancing be on the planes"
Don't worry, they'll get a plane each. There's plenty spare at the moment.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Without the eu workers there wouldnt be any food on the shelfs as noone would work on the fields, the peeps nowadays would rather play playstation then helping the farmers wich is not good as there could be hard brexit soon as well. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"1. You are not supposed to work if furloughed as you’re business is actually being paid to keep you out of work.
2. After the initial 3 weeks of furlough you should make yourself available at all times during your contracted hours as you can be unfurlouged at any time after that.
This coming from a person who had to furlough many people so had this conversation over and over
If you do work For pay then ofcourse you will have to pay tax ( probably at a higher rate as classed as 2nd job and NI too) after traveling to these farms and maybe paying to stay some where close it probably wouldn’t be worth while.
These jobs need to go to locals who are actually not working. The farms actually struggle to get enough people from one area to work where by the can get pick ups/ drop off by mini bus ( although at present the government silly guidelines suggest you shouldn’t do that anyway ) "
Just wanted to pick up on your #2 point.
I work in the hospitality sector and we will be the ones who will go back to work last! I've already been out of work for 4 weeks. Everything else will go back to normal long before my sector. I for one would relish the chance to go and do some work. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Well if all the Brexiteers put their money where their mouths were and went out in the fields to pick the damned food we wouldn't need to fly in farm hands would we.
52% of the country need to get their hands dirty - chop chop now.
Somebody is a remainer."
Yes, an ill-informed remainer, too. And it's getting a bit boring now. Bringing migrant workers to the UK will continue after Brexit is completed. As said elsewhere, we've brought in temporary workers for over 100 years. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"1. You are not supposed to work if furloughed as you’re business is actually being paid to keep you out of work.
2. After the initial 3 weeks of furlough you should make yourself available at all times during your contracted hours as you can be unfurlouged at any time after that.
This coming from a person who had to furlough many people so had this conversation over and over
If you do work For pay then ofcourse you will have to pay tax ( probably at a higher rate as classed as 2nd job and NI too) after traveling to these farms and maybe paying to stay some where close it probably wouldn’t be worth while.
These jobs need to go to locals who are actually not working. The farms actually struggle to get enough people from one area to work where by the can get pick ups/ drop off by mini bus ( although at present the government silly guidelines suggest you shouldn’t do that anyway ) "
This is wrong. You can seek alternative employment when furloughed. You will be liable for tax (but will be paying less on your furlough pay) and National Insurance liability is per employment, not cumulative so whether you pay NI depends on how much you earn in EACH employment. If your accountant told you all the above, find another one! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Well if all the Brexiteers put their money where their mouths were and went out in the fields to pick the damned food we wouldn't need to fly in farm hands would we.
52% of the country need to get their hands dirty - chop chop now.
Somebody is a remainer.
Yes, an ill-informed remainer, too. And it's getting a bit boring now. Bringing migrant workers to the UK will continue after Brexit is completed. As said elsewhere, we've brought in temporary workers for over 100 years."
Yes but since sticking two fingers up to them they're thinking twice about coming over to help.
The problem isn't COVID-19, it's that nobody wanted to come this year. This has been widely reported. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"so the farmers of lincolnshire and norfolk are bringing in over 1000 europeans to pike crops were will the social distancing be on the planes"
The government has order some giant sling shots. So if you see people flying past in the sky screaming, give the a wave.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"so the farmers of lincolnshire and norfolk are bringing in over 1000 europeans to pike crops were will the social distancing be on the planes"
why can't british people made unemployed by the virus do it?  |
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"Well if all the Brexiteers put their money where their mouths were and went out in the fields to pick the damned food we wouldn't need to fly in farm hands would we.
52% of the country need to get their hands dirty - chop chop now."
You beat me to it |
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"Its simple without bringing in the workers the crops would rot despite there being a massive spike in brits applying for fruit and farm jobs. The works hard graft back breaking long hours and generally paid on piece rate the more you pick the more you earn and the majority of brits as others have said dont want the graft, sounds wonderful in good weather but let them have a day or two of 12 hour shifts doing it...most will go home.."
I used to work at an airport on the ramp, every induction there would be about 40 people on each group. Once they found out the shifts patterns, start and finishing times most of English people left. The eastern Europeans stayed on, which was about 10 people. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Well if all the Brexiteers put their money where their mouths were and went out in the fields to pick the damned food we wouldn't need to fly in farm hands would we.
52% of the country need to get their hands dirty - chop chop now.
Somebody is a remainer.
Yes, an ill-informed remainer, too. And it's getting a bit boring now. Bringing migrant workers to the UK will continue after Brexit is completed. As said elsewhere, we've brought in temporary workers for over 100 years.
Yes but since sticking two fingers up to them they're thinking twice about coming over to help.
The problem isn't COVID-19, it's that nobody wanted to come this year. This has been widely reported."
I remember a news reporter interviewing a farmer, who openly said he voted for brexit. Found out that he couldn't get European workers to work in his farm, he could be ruined if they didn't come. |
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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago
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This was organised last August, they come every year so I don't see a problem. They're key workers in the food supply chain.
Furloghed workers are definitely NOT allowed to work during their furloghed period. Look it up on the HMRC website. |
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I’m from Lincolnshire originally, these are jobs I did when I was a kid, taught me a good work ethic and the value of money. Trouble is now people think it beneath them to do these types of jobs, easier to do nothing and get dole money |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I personally would love to know where these jobs are. I'd do it in a heart beat.
I genuinely don't understand why we need to import workers when over 50% of the work force is out of work. Come to think of it how do Romanians get to apply for these jobs? From Romania?
So any farmers needing a hand let me know. I'm Surrey based and have a car.
Or if anyone knows where these jobs are I'd appreciate it. |
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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago
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Put this scenario into perspective.
For years, the farms and producers of fruit and vegetables have for years relied on foreign workers for seasonal allied working. The reason for that is most British nationals just couldn't hack it when it came to work of this type.
With the run up to Brexit, a lot of foreign employees moved back home into Europe. This season could see 1000's of tons of fruit and veg rotting in the fields, orchards and market gardens.
The same situation is occurring in France and Germany, where foreign workers have been flown back in, just as they have been into the UK.
I'd have no qualms about Fruit picking; I've done it before but even under COVID19, I'm ok pay wise so don't need to consider it.
For posts which raised the social distancing issues, look again at the press reports. The employees were medically checked before boarding, wore PPE and had hand sanitiser supplied during the flight and social distancing will be enforced during their time here. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Put this scenario into perspective.
For years, the farms and producers of fruit and vegetables have for years relied on foreign workers for seasonal allied working. The reason for that is most British nationals just couldn't hack it when it came to work of this type.
With the run up to Brexit, a lot of foreign employees moved back home into Europe. This season could see 1000's of tons of fruit and veg rotting in the fields, orchards and market gardens.
The same situation is occurring in France and Germany, where foreign workers have been flown back in, just as they have been into the UK.
I'd have no qualms about Fruit picking; I've done it before but even under COVID19, I'm ok pay wise so don't need to consider it.
For posts which raised the social distancing issues, look again at the press reports. The employees were medically checked before boarding, wore PPE and had hand sanitiser supplied during the flight and social distancing will be enforced during their time here."
I'm as British as pie and mash. Born here raised here and I'll die here. I'd do it. I've been one of the guys cleaning Biggin hill airport for after the airshow picking up litter. In the pissing rain for 8 hours. Can't really justify saying Brits can't hack it. They may not want to if they have a better job but many now don't. It really isn't fair to say Romanian workers can do this job but Brits can't. If fact that's actually racist against Brits. Unless what your saying is they have less employment rights than Brits.
My work mantra is simple. " Do the job. Get paid. Go home."
So now I know I'm qualified, where are these jobs. I'll enjoy proving your statement wrong. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Put this scenario into perspective.
For years, the farms and producers of fruit and vegetables have for years relied on foreign workers for seasonal allied working. The reason for that is most British nationals just couldn't hack it when it came to work of this type.
With the run up to Brexit, a lot of foreign employees moved back home into Europe. This season could see 1000's of tons of fruit and veg rotting in the fields, orchards and market gardens.
The same situation is occurring in France and Germany, where foreign workers have been flown back in, just as they have been into the UK.
I'd have no qualms about Fruit picking; I've done it before but even under COVID19, I'm ok pay wise so don't need to consider it.
For posts which raised the social distancing issues, look again at the press reports. The employees were medically checked before boarding, wore PPE and had hand sanitiser supplied during the flight and social distancing will be enforced during their time here."
but British people are out of work how can another load of foreign workers ever be justified I'm sorry their are no excuses, i work hard whatever job i do, they flew them in i can't even go on my holiday i booked and paid for or get my money back and yet they can fly these people in, i think the problem we've got in this country is we can't get to the jobs because of agencies  |
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"I personally would love to know where these jobs are. I'd do it in a heart beat.
I genuinely don't understand why we need to import workers when over 50% of the work force is out of work. Come to think of it how do Romanians get to apply for these jobs? From Romania?
So any farmers needing a hand let me know. I'm Surrey based and have a car.
Or if anyone knows where these jobs are I'd appreciate it. "
Look on the nfu website for links for seasonal picking jobs, you will have to live on site for weeks and it's a 12 hour day. The community feel is very strong in the camps and they all pull together.
In answer to your other question it was on the news this morning, not enough uk citizens applied for these jobs hence the need to recruit from abroad, we have 30 pickers in a community on one farm per season |
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"Start teaching kids where their food comes from (not McDonald's or Tesco) teach them how to cook (not reheat ready meals) and finally remove the assertion that you have to go to university to succeed in life and we might just start solving the harvest problem in maybe 50 years?
That and earning your keep as a teenager, paper rounds, Saturday jobs etc learning the value of money instead of playing xbox...some fruit picking could be more productive and healthy! "
Start ? I did domestic science. My kids did food technology. My gran did cookery ......
What do you mean START.
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"so the farmers of lincolnshire and norfolk are bringing in over 1000 europeans to pike crops were will the social distancing be on the planes"
We could have the pilot at the front. First class with two seats each. Second class sat next to each other with masks on. Third class could be wing walking and the underdogs we really want to kick to feel good could cling to a wheel each.
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"Put this scenario into perspective.
For years, the farms and producers of fruit and vegetables have for years relied on foreign workers for seasonal allied working. The reason for that is most British nationals just couldn't hack it when it came to work of this type.
With the run up to Brexit, a lot of foreign employees moved back home into Europe. This season could see 1000's of tons of fruit and veg rotting in the fields, orchards and market gardens.
The same situation is occurring in France and Germany, where foreign workers have been flown back in, just as they have been into the UK.
I'd have no qualms about Fruit picking; I've done it before but even under COVID19, I'm ok pay wise so don't need to consider it.
For posts which raised the social distancing issues, look again at the press reports. The employees were medically checked before boarding, wore PPE and had hand sanitiser supplied during the flight and social distancing will be enforced during their time here.but British people are out of work how can another load of foreign workers ever be justified I'm sorry their are no excuses, i work hard whatever job i do, they flew them in i can't even go on my holiday i booked and paid for or get my money back and yet they can fly these people in, i think the problem we've got in this country is we can't get to the jobs because of agencies "
“Foreigners” are not brought to the uk. They come to the uk. And they come here willingly, and they come here because there are jobs. And why are there jobs picking fruit? Because nobody here wants to do it. As for “can’t get a job”, if you want a job picking fruit, I can’t give you a list of 100 fruit growers across Lincs who will literally bite your arm off to give you a job. Or go on to any website and see the demand. It’s there every year, same time, same place.
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"Put this scenario into perspective.
For years, the farms and producers of fruit and vegetables have for years relied on foreign workers for seasonal allied working. The reason for that is most British nationals just couldn't hack it when it came to work of this type.
With the run up to Brexit, a lot of foreign employees moved back home into Europe. This season could see 1000's of tons of fruit and veg rotting in the fields, orchards and market gardens.
The same situation is occurring in France and Germany, where foreign workers have been flown back in, just as they have been into the UK.
I'd have no qualms about Fruit picking; I've done it before but even under COVID19, I'm ok pay wise so don't need to consider it.
For posts which raised the social distancing issues, look again at the press reports. The employees were medically checked before boarding, wore PPE and had hand sanitiser supplied during the flight and social distancing will be enforced during their time here.but British people are out of work how can another load of foreign workers ever be justified I'm sorry their are no excuses, i work hard whatever job i do, they flew them in i can't even go on my holiday i booked and paid for or get my money back and yet they can fly these people in, i think the problem we've got in this country is we can't get to the jobs because of agencies "
Furthermore, these “foreigners” are allowed the fly here and do the jobs that uk people can’t be arsed to do, in order that the very same British people can go to their supermarket and buy freshly picked and packed fresh produce.
So in that sense, their travel is considered essential and I agree.
Having worked in food and packaging for more than 20 years, I can tell you that you 100% would not be eating fresh fruit and veg if it were not for these people - fact.
Yet all you can think to do is complain and compare their essential travel to that of your dashed holiday plans?
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"so the farmers of lincolnshire and norfolk are bringing in over 1000 europeans to pike crops were will the social distancing be on the planeswhy can't british people made unemployed by the virus do it? "
Because why would they want to work when doing naff all on benefits, staring out of their windows waiting for Mc Donald’s to open again |
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Furloghed workers are definitely NOT allowed to work during their furloghed period. Look it up on the HMRC website. "
Can you link to that please?
Don't bother because you can't. The HMRC website says "If contractually allowed, your employees are permitted to work for another employer whilst you have placed them on furlough." |
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"Put this scenario into perspective.
For years, the farms and producers of fruit and vegetables have for years relied on foreign workers for seasonal allied working. The reason for that is most British nationals just couldn't hack it when it came to work of this type.
With the run up to Brexit, a lot of foreign employees moved back home into Europe. This season could see 1000's of tons of fruit and veg rotting in the fields, orchards and market gardens.
The same situation is occurring in France and Germany, where foreign workers have been flown back in, just as they have been into the UK.
I'd have no qualms about Fruit picking; I've done it before but even under COVID19, I'm ok pay wise so don't need to consider it.
For posts which raised the social distancing issues, look again at the press reports. The employees were medically checked before boarding, wore PPE and had hand sanitiser supplied during the flight and social distancing will be enforced during their time here.but British people are out of work how can another load of foreign workers ever be justified I'm sorry their are no excuses, i work hard whatever job i do, they flew them in i can't even go on my holiday i booked and paid for or get my money back and yet they can fly these people in, i think the problem we've got in this country is we can't get to the jobs because of agencies
Furthermore, these “foreigners” are allowed the fly here and do the jobs that uk people can’t be arsed to do, in order that the very same British people can go to their supermarket and buy freshly picked and packed fresh produce.
So in that sense, their travel is considered essential and I agree.
Having worked in food and packaging for more than 20 years, I can tell you that you 100% would not be eating fresh fruit and veg if it were not for these people - fact.
Yet all you can think to do is complain and compare their essential travel to that of your dashed holiday plans?
Remarkable level of ignorance. "
I'm talking about the fact I'm looking for an essential job because i have little money and no chance of receiving assistance, the fact that I've paid for a holiday and can't get the money back so i can live in isolation and in fact not get a reply because the holiday company wants to hang onto my money for as long as possible |
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"Put this scenario into perspective.
For years, the farms and producers of fruit and vegetables have for years relied on foreign workers for seasonal allied working. The reason for that is most British nationals just couldn't hack it when it came to work of this type.
With the run up to Brexit, a lot of foreign employees moved back home into Europe. This season could see 1000's of tons of fruit and veg rotting in the fields, orchards and market gardens.
The same situation is occurring in France and Germany, where foreign workers have been flown back in, just as they have been into the UK.
I'd have no qualms about Fruit picking; I've done it before but even under COVID19, I'm ok pay wise so don't need to consider it.
For posts which raised the social distancing issues, look again at the press reports. The employees were medically checked before boarding, wore PPE and had hand sanitiser supplied during the flight and social distancing will be enforced during their time here.
I'm as British as pie and mash. Born here raised here and I'll die here. I'd do it. I've been one of the guys cleaning Biggin hill airport for after the airshow picking up litter. In the pissing rain for 8 hours. Can't really justify saying Brits can't hack it. They may not want to if they have a better job but many now don't. It really isn't fair to say Romanian workers can do this job but Brits can't. If fact that's actually racist against Brits. Unless what your saying is they have less employment rights than Brits.
My work mantra is simple. " Do the job. Get paid. Go home."
So now I know I'm qualified, where are these jobs. I'll enjoy proving your statement wrong. "
It's not a case that British "cant" but it is a fact that they "wont". |
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Its not just farming this is happening all the factory's the same they have to get workers over here to do the work coz the British will not do it. It's hard work most only get £9 per hour we should thank them for doing it. |
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"Put this scenario into perspective.
For years, the farms and producers of fruit and vegetables have for years relied on foreign workers for seasonal allied working. The reason for that is most British nationals just couldn't hack it when it came to work of this type.
With the run up to Brexit, a lot of foreign employees moved back home into Europe. This season could see 1000's of tons of fruit and veg rotting in the fields, orchards and market gardens.
The same situation is occurring in France and Germany, where foreign workers have been flown back in, just as they have been into the UK.
I'd have no qualms about Fruit picking; I've done it before but even under COVID19, I'm ok pay wise so don't need to consider it.
For posts which raised the social distancing issues, look again at the press reports. The employees were medically checked before boarding, wore PPE and had hand sanitiser supplied during the flight and social distancing will be enforced during their time here.but British people are out of work how can another load of foreign workers ever be justified I'm sorry their are no excuses, i work hard whatever job i do, they flew them in i can't even go on my holiday i booked and paid for or get my money back and yet they can fly these people in, i think the problem we've got in this country is we can't get to the jobs because of agencies
Furthermore, these “foreigners” are allowed the fly here and do the jobs that uk people can’t be arsed to do, in order that the very same British people can go to their supermarket and buy freshly picked and packed fresh produce.
So in that sense, their travel is considered essential and I agree.
Having worked in food and packaging for more than 20 years, I can tell you that you 100% would not be eating fresh fruit and veg if it were not for these people - fact.
Yet all you can think to do is complain and compare their essential travel to that of your dashed holiday plans?
Remarkable level of ignorance. I'm talking about the fact I'm looking for an essential job because i have little money and no chance of receiving assistance, the fact that I've paid for a holiday and can't get the money back so i can live in isolation and in fact not get a reply because the holiday company wants to hang onto my money for as long as possible "
Can possibly wait up to four months isn’t it ? Or might send you a voucher to cool you off ? |
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"Put this scenario into perspective.
For years, the farms and producers of fruit and vegetables have for years relied on foreign workers for seasonal allied working. The reason for that is most British nationals just couldn't hack it when it came to work of this type.
With the run up to Brexit, a lot of foreign employees moved back home into Europe. This season could see 1000's of tons of fruit and veg rotting in the fields, orchards and market gardens.
The same situation is occurring in France and Germany, where foreign workers have been flown back in, just as they have been into the UK.
I'd have no qualms about Fruit picking; I've done it before but even under COVID19, I'm ok pay wise so don't need to consider it.
For posts which raised the social distancing issues, look again at the press reports. The employees were medically checked before boarding, wore PPE and had hand sanitiser supplied during the flight and social distancing will be enforced during their time here.but British people are out of work how can another load of foreign workers ever be justified I'm sorry their are no excuses, i work hard whatever job i do, they flew them in i can't even go on my holiday i booked and paid for or get my money back and yet they can fly these people in, i think the problem we've got in this country is we can't get to the jobs because of agencies
Furthermore, these “foreigners” are allowed the fly here and do the jobs that uk people can’t be arsed to do, in order that the very same British people can go to their supermarket and buy freshly picked and packed fresh produce.
So in that sense, their travel is considered essential and I agree.
Having worked in food and packaging for more than 20 years, I can tell you that you 100% would not be eating fresh fruit and veg if it were not for these people - fact.
Yet all you can think to do is complain and compare their essential travel to that of your dashed holiday plans?
Remarkable level of ignorance. I'm talking about the fact I'm looking for an essential job because i have little money and no chance of receiving assistance, the fact that I've paid for a holiday and can't get the money back so i can live in isolation and in fact not get a reply because the holiday company wants to hang onto my money for as long as possible
Can possibly wait up to four months isn’t it ? Or might send you a voucher to cool you off ?"
a voucher lol what goods that unless its a hot food voucher I'll get on a plane and search out hot food |
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Part of the problem is agencies/gangmasters taking a big cut. Employers want their pound of flesh and they forget that although the are paying for pork chops the employees are only getting pig's trotter money. |
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Over 3 million are receiving unemployment benefits, a majority of these are long term with no intention of seeking employment , it’s about time they were made to work and not receive hard taxpayers money , so they can lounge about at home on their boxes . |
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"Who picked the fruit and veg before it became a thing to use cheap foreign labour?"
The days of "cheap" foreign labour are long gone, for the most part. That is now a question of ethics (of the producer/employer), rather than political policy.
They're paid the minimum wage, just as a benefit-scrounging lazy arse wipe form the UK would too. |
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As long as the authorities check their health and they keep to the rules whilst they’re working, I don’t see any issue with it. It’s only the same as others that are getting food into our supermarkets. You can’t just leave food to rot and farmers haven’t been able to fulfill their recruitment need within the UK - nothing new there though. |
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"Its not just farming this is happening all the factory's the same they have to get workers over here to do the work coz the British will not do it. It's hard work most only get £9 per hour we should thank them for doing it. "
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"Part of the problem is agencies/gangmasters taking a big cut. Employers want their pound of flesh and they forget that although the are paying for pork chops the employees are only getting pig's trotter money."
I believe that practice was stopped many years ago and wages are paid direct to the employees by the farmer.
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"Part of the problem is agencies/gangmasters taking a big cut. Employers want their pound of flesh and they forget that although the are paying for pork chops the employees are only getting pig's trotter money. I believe that practice was stopped many years ago and wages are paid direct to the employees by the farmer. "
Most off them do a hourly pay plus a weight bonus |
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"This was organised last August, they come every year so I don't see a problem. They're key workers in the food supply chain.
Furloghed workers are definitely NOT allowed to work during their furloghed period. Look it up on the HMRC website. "
For Heaven's sake! This from the HMRC website:
'If your contract allows, you may undertake other employment while your current employer has placed you on furlough, and this will not affect the grant that they can claim under the scheme.'
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Furloghed workers are definitely NOT allowed to work during their furloghed period. Look it up on the HMRC website.
Can you link to that please?
Don't bother because you can't. The HMRC website says "If contractually allowed, your employees are permitted to work for another employer whilst you have placed them on furlough.""
Exactly this. There's somebody on here telling us we can't work during furlough. That is misleading and might stop people looking for work during furlough and thus reduce their income. |
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Furloghed workers are definitely NOT allowed to work during their furloghed period. Look it up on the HMRC website.
Can you link to that please?
Don't bother because you can't. The HMRC website says "If contractually allowed, your employees are permitted to work for another employer whilst you have placed them on furlough."
Exactly this. There's somebody on here telling us we can't work during furlough. That is misleading and might stop people looking for work during furlough and thus reduce their income."
Getting people over here to do this type of work happens every year some of the people who have just come over may of been doing this for the last 10 years |
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Furloghed workers are definitely NOT allowed to work during their furloghed period. Look it up on the HMRC website.
Can you link to that please?
Don't bother because you can't. The HMRC website says "If contractually allowed, your employees are permitted to work for another employer whilst you have placed them on furlough."
Exactly this. There's somebody on here telling us we can't work during furlough. That is misleading and might stop people looking for work during furlough and thus reduce their income."
Becuase a Swinging site is exactly the place you’d look to for advice on employment law and matters Of taxation? |
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Furloghed workers are definitely NOT allowed to work during their furloghed period. Look it up on the HMRC website.
Can you link to that please?
Don't bother because you can't. The HMRC website says "If contractually allowed, your employees are permitted to work for another employer whilst you have placed them on furlough."
Exactly this. There's somebody on here telling us we can't work during furlough. That is misleading and might stop people looking for work during furlough and thus reduce their income.
Becuase a Swinging site is exactly the place you’d look to for advice on employment law and matters Of taxation? "
And medical |
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Furloghed workers are definitely NOT allowed to work during their furloghed period. Look it up on the HMRC website.
Can you link to that please?
Don't bother because you can't. The HMRC website says "If contractually allowed, your employees are permitted to work for another employer whilst you have placed them on furlough."
Exactly this. There's somebody on here telling us we can't work during furlough. That is misleading and might stop people looking for work during furlough and thus reduce their income.
Becuase a Swinging site is exactly the place you’d look to for advice on employment law and matters Of taxation?
And medical "
actually anything really some people are experts on everything here |
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Furloghed workers are definitely NOT allowed to work during their furloghed period. Look it up on the HMRC website.
Can you link to that please?
Don't bother because you can't. The HMRC website says "If contractually allowed, your employees are permitted to work for another employer whilst you have placed them on furlough."
Exactly this. There's somebody on here telling us we can't work during furlough. That is misleading and might stop people looking for work during furlough and thus reduce their income.
Becuase a Swinging site is exactly the place you’d look to for advice on employment law and matters Of taxation?
And medical actually anything really some people are experts on everything here "
Without a doubt, have you see the amount of wannabe Prime Ministers & government advisers on here ? |
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Furloghed workers are definitely NOT allowed to work during their furloghed period. Look it up on the HMRC website.
Can you link to that please?
Don't bother because you can't. The HMRC website says "If contractually allowed, your employees are permitted to work for another employer whilst you have placed them on furlough."
Exactly this. There's somebody on here telling us we can't work during furlough. That is misleading and might stop people looking for work during furlough and thus reduce their income.
Becuase a Swinging site is exactly the place you’d look to for advice on employment law and matters Of taxation?
And medical actually anything really some people are experts on everything here
Without a doubt, have you see the amount of wannabe Prime Ministers & government advisers on here ? "
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Furloghed workers are definitely NOT allowed to work during their furloghed period. Look it up on the HMRC website.
Can you link to that please?
Don't bother because you can't. The HMRC website says "If contractually allowed, your employees are permitted to work for another employer whilst you have placed them on furlough."
Exactly this. There's somebody on here telling us we can't work during furlough. That is misleading and might stop people looking for work during furlough and thus reduce their income.
Becuase a Swinging site is exactly the place you’d look to for advice on employment law and matters Of taxation?
And medical "
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Furloghed workers are definitely NOT allowed to work during their furloghed period. Look it up on the HMRC website.
Can you link to that please?
Don't bother because you can't. The HMRC website says "If contractually allowed, your employees are permitted to work for another employer whilst you have placed them on furlough."
Exactly this. There's somebody on here telling us we can't work during furlough. That is misleading and might stop people looking for work during furlough and thus reduce their income.
Becuase a Swinging site is exactly the place you’d look to for advice on employment law and matters Of taxation? "
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Nfu website. I don't even know what NFU is. Hold on national farmers union?
Kind of makes sense when you think about it.
Yours was the only answer that was useful to me so many thanks looking on site tonight.
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Well thanks to comparsion I have applied to be a veggie picker. All full for April but maybe more jobs in may.
The lovely comparsion is absolutely correct. Go on the Nfu website and there are agencies recruiting for workers to start in may.
So Brits. I stand corrected. I'm always man enough to accept when I'm wrong.
If people do not apply for these jobs. Then don't be surprised when other people are called in to do it. Food needs to be picked to go to the shop so you can buy it.
Doesn't really matter buy who does it.
So I've applied with 4 agencies via the NFU website.
But that said but for this forum and the information recieved, I would not have known where to look.
All hail the forum. |
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"Well thanks to comparsion I have applied to be a veggie picker. All full for April but maybe more jobs in may.
The lovely comparsion is absolutely correct. Go on the Nfu website and there are agencies recruiting for workers to start in may.
So Brits. I stand corrected. I'm always man enough to accept when I'm wrong.
If people do not apply for these jobs. Then don't be surprised when other people are called in to do it. Food needs to be picked to go to the shop so you can buy it.
Doesn't really matter buy who does it.
So I've applied with 4 agencies via the NFU website.
But that said but for this forum and the information recieved, I would not have known where to look.
All hail the forum. "
Well done and good luck with the application.
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"Start teaching kids where their food comes from (not McDonald's or Tesco) teach them how to cook (not reheat ready meals) and finally remove the assertion that you have to go to university to succeed in life and we might just start solving the harvest problem in maybe 50 years?
That and earning your keep as a teenager, paper rounds, Saturday jobs etc learning the value of money instead of playing xbox...some fruit picking could be more productive and healthy!
I looked at the jobs because my son lost his (hotel work) but they all require the staff to be over, 18. He is 17...... So, the fruit picking jobs of today are apparently not for teenagers (that's the employers requirements). "
I'm a supervisor/ handyman on construction sites. (My normal job). The reason for the age restriction is purely health and safety. Under 18s are classed as minors and so are afforded greater protection. ie longer breaks and greater supervision. I suspect that most bosses can't be assed with making the exemptions required by law, so just exclude them. Wishing your son the best of luck though. |
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So sad. I started work in the school holidays picking potatoes for local farmers. I was 12. We used to get picked up in a ford transit with no seatbelts. We worked long and hard and got paid well. I also had paper rounds. I knew the value of money because I could equate it to days worked.
To say the British are lazy is racist in my opinion. You would never get away with saying that about people from an African or Asian country. There are people who will work hard in every country and those who won't. I and many others did. You can't even deliver newspapers these days as a kid sadly.. |
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"Well thanks to comparsion I have applied to be a veggie picker. All full for April but maybe more jobs in may.
The lovely comparsion is absolutely correct. Go on the Nfu website and there are agencies recruiting for workers to start in may.
So Brits. I stand corrected. I'm always man enough to accept when I'm wrong.
If people do not apply for these jobs. Then don't be surprised when other people are called in to do it. Food needs to be picked to go to the shop so you can buy it.
Doesn't really matter buy who does it.
So I've applied with 4 agencies via the NFU website.
But that said but for this forum and the information recieved, I would not have known where to look.
All hail the forum.
Well done and good luck with the application.
It counts for little, but I take my hat off to your integrity and resolve "
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"Well thanks to comparsion I have applied to be a veggie picker. All full for April but maybe more jobs in may.
The lovely comparsion is absolutely correct. Go on the Nfu website and there are agencies recruiting for workers to start in may.
So Brits. I stand corrected. I'm always man enough to accept when I'm wrong.
If people do not apply for these jobs. Then don't be surprised when other people are called in to do it. Food needs to be picked to go to the shop so you can buy it.
Doesn't really matter buy who does it.
So I've applied with 4 agencies via the NFU website.
But that said but for this forum and the information recieved, I would not have known where to look.
All hail the forum.
Well done and good luck with the application.
It counts for little, but I take my hat off to your integrity and resolve "
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I thought I'd update this thread.
I applied for 4 different agencies as the above thread showed.
Guess how many got in touch.
Answer. NONE. Not even a conversation
Fortunately I'm back at work. I now prepare building sites for covid conditions. Ie installing signage, creating one-way systems etc.
I've faced allsorts of discrimination and pretty much take it on the chin. But Never have I felt discriminated against for being British.
Fucking ridiculous. I don't usually swear but. What the Fuck man. |
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"I thought I'd update this thread.
I applied for 4 different agencies as the above thread showed.
Guess how many got in touch.
Answer. NONE. Not even a conversation
Fortunately I'm back at work. I now prepare building sites for covid conditions. Ie installing signage, creating one-way systems etc.
I've faced allsorts of discrimination and pretty much take it on the chin. But Never have I felt discriminated against for being British.
Fucking ridiculous. I don't usually swear but. What the Fuck man. "
Last time I (Dave) was made redundant, the job centre staff asked if I'd tried the agencies. Yes said I - truthfully - but had got nowhere. The adviser said yes, we know they don't take English people on, but we have to ask because it's on the form! |
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