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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Apparently scientists have found that we don't have free will but have a God gene.

So it's down to our DNA as to whether we believe or not

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

History channel: I think the programme was called proving God.

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By *artinbobMan over a year ago

Leicester

"Apparently scientists have found that we don't have free will but have a God gene.

So it's down to our DNA as to whether we believe or not

Wow I’d love to know who funded that research project

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I personally don't.... I believe that we are fragments of the same consciousness

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By *ob Carpe DiemMan over a year ago

Torquay

"Apparently scientists have found that we don't have free will but have a God gene.

So it's down to our DNA as to whether we believe or not

Wow I’d love to know who funded

that research project

Didn't, read some good research recently about maybe we are alone in the entire observable universe, gave me cause to think

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nope

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I did. I now don't.

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By *isser36Man over a year ago

fylde Coast

God... No I don't, but spirituality.. Yes definitely! And I don't think the two are mutually exclusive.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No. Although I do believe we are in the end times which makes me question myself.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Apparently scientists have found that we don't have free will but have a God gene.

So it's down to our DNA as to whether we believe or not

Wow I’d love to know who funded that research project

I'm going with the Pope..

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By *artinbobMan over a year ago

Leicester

"Apparently scientists have found that we don't have free will but have a God gene.

So it's down to our DNA as to whether we believe or not

Wow I’d love to know who funded

that research project

Didn't, read some good research recently about maybe we are alone in the entire observable universe, gave me cause to think"

And where did that research come from?

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By *rouble1998Woman over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

I personally don’t but I think spirituality can be a really positive thing for some people. Gives them a sense of belonging and community, good moral principles to live by

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By *ob Carpe DiemMan over a year ago

Torquay

"Apparently scientists have found that we don't have free will but have a God gene.

So it's down to our DNA as to whether we believe or not

Wow I’d love to know who funded

that research project

Didn't, read some good research recently about maybe we are alone in the entire observable universe, gave me cause to think

And where did that research come from? "

Prominent economist, published in 1995 I believe

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By *artinbobMan over a year ago

Leicester

"Apparently scientists have found that we don't have free will but have a God gene.

So it's down to our DNA as to whether we believe or not

Wow I’d love to know who funded that research project

I'm going with the Pope..

Haha yes possibly true. Although any research can be flexed to fit the needs of whoever’s paying.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes. I don’t go to church because I don’t like the institution. But I have a faith.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well my dad was a minister he didn't pass the god gene to me or my siblings

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By *unloversCouple over a year ago

rotherham

No I dont

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By *ob Carpe DiemMan over a year ago

Torquay

"Well my dad was a minister he didn't pass the god gene to me or my siblings

Daughter of a preacher man, there's a song in that

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By *uskymotoMan over a year ago

Cumbria

I think that we all look for guidance one way or another. It's a way of confirming that our actions are right and acceptable. Dogs are pack animals and always look for an alpha and maybe we're no different.

In the past we had earth centric gods (a god of the land, a god of the sea, a god of the sky etc) and this was a pagan worship. Later on people of power and influence created a single God centric religion (who happens to have created us in his image) and they are more like him than the average person. Therefore creating a tier system of power and control.

I'm not a believer but certainly believe that some people will always try and control others. Look at the Roman empire, it collapsed and re invented itself as the Catholic Church. Vatican city has one of the highest crime rates in Europe, surely good honest religious followers wouldn't behave like that,,, would they??

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By *r Rubba LoverMan over a year ago

Bristol

I find it hard enough to believe in people.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't but fully respect all with faith...not sure about the science

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I dont believe in god as the bearded man sitting on a cloud but I like to think there is a higher force at work in more of a 'Mother Nature' type of way.

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By *imon_hydeMan over a year ago

Stockport

No of course not. Religion, as opposed to God, is an evil thing and humanity would be much better without it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

In God I believe, because she/he gifted me with huge genitalia.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We believe in a high power of some sort.

However organised religion.. we are dubious.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I believe if it works for you then that’s just fine

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By *adetMan over a year ago

South of Ipswich

I could possibly see an argument for a creator of the universe, although I've never heard a very convincing one

I think religion is more of a problem than a belief in God

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No. I never really have but my commitment to atheism and humanist beliefs have grown in recent years. Fully respectful of others right to believe though

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By *adetMan over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"No. I never really have but my commitment to atheism and humanist beliefs have grown in recent years. Fully respectful of others right to believe though "

Yeah mine too. It now seems to be almost taboo to question religious claims which is extremely worrying

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By *HE PROBLEMMan over a year ago

Glasgow

I would say no. Life is a gift when it's over its over least you got a chance to experience it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I stopped believing in god at about the same time as I stopped believing in the Toothfairy and Father Christmas.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No. I never really have but my commitment to atheism and humanist beliefs have grown in recent years. Fully respectful of others right to believe though

Yeah mine too. It now seems to be almost taboo to question religious claims which is extremely worrying "

But I dont want or need to question their beliefs, they are their beliefs not mine. Why would I spend time or energy trying to discredit those beliefs? Do I believe in heaven? No. Would I try and tell someone that does that they are wrong? Not a chance (with the exception of a consenting theological debate on however a simplistic level)

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By *adetMan over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"No. I never really have but my commitment to atheism and humanist beliefs have grown in recent years. Fully respectful of others right to believe though

Yeah mine too. It now seems to be almost taboo to question religious claims which is extremely worrying

Indeed, I don't care if somebody believes that when they die they're going to go to heaven but religions hold far more pernicious concepts that just that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I stopped believing in god at about the same time as I stopped believing in the Toothfairy and Father Christmas."

What???? Are you saying Father Christmas is not a real person?

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By *hatYorkLadMan over a year ago

York

No, I went to a church of England school and had a very religious grandmother so blindly believed it all until I hit my teens, then fairly quickly abandoned all belief which is a position that has only become more entrenched as I've lost friends and family too soon and read so much about the horrendous things done in the name of religion through the centuries. It's bonkers really. On the plus side it has created some amazing art and incredible buildings!

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By *i1971Man over a year ago

Cornwall

I don't believe in a God myself.

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By *luebell888Woman over a year ago

Glasgowish

I do not believe in God but was very touched by a letter from a minister sent to our workplace which said he was praying to God that we all stayed safe.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I read the hypothesis, and it is certainly interesting. The main problem with it is that it is unable to provide a definition of what a "god" actually is. It certainly does not propose that we carry a gene that predisposes us to any of mainstream religions' gods. It is more a suggestion that we are predisposed to have "spirituality" of some sort, which is quite possible considering many family generations of spiritual beliefs of all kinds. To me, it would just seem to be part of the evolution of the human brain.

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By *lectrumMan over a year ago

south shields

Yes

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By *mcouple2Couple over a year ago

Warrington

Richard Dawkins book the selfish gene.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No....I dint believe in fairytales

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I like the idea of God(s). I find religion fascinating and I respect everyone's individual beliefs, but I personally don't believe in any sort of God at all.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

God, no! Jesus, yes! To have those beliefs and teachings in the brutal time he lived, it's no wonder the people thought he was Heavensent!!

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By *ce WingerMan over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

Black Sabbath did a track called God Is Dead?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No I don't.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But fully respect peoples choices in this subject in the same way that I respect peoples right to support other football teams that are not Southend United.

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By *edoriartyCouple over a year ago

Peterborough

"I do not believe in God but was very touched by a letter from a minister sent to our workplace which said he was praying to God that we all stayed safe."

That would be the same God that created Covid 19 then.

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By *mmersCouple over a year ago

Greater London

"I do not believe in God but was very touched by a letter from a minister sent to our workplace which said he was praying to God that we all stayed safe.

That would be the same God that created Covid 19 then."

Would that be the same God that would give the vaccine for it too then??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

God was invented by the rich to keep the ignorant from rebelling.

Don’t ra*e, steal, murder unless we tell you, or you’ll burn in Hellfire for all damnation etc.

That’s what I have come to conclude.

Someone is welcome to try to change my point of view.

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By *isces WomanWoman over a year ago

West London

If there is a god she would have to be woman, who else would put balls on the outside.

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By *eannaTV/TS over a year ago

Cwmfelifach, nr Newport

I respect religion of all cultures and those who believe, for myself I do not, I'm a Pagan, I believe in Mother Nature.

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By *nvisible_beardMan over a year ago

near newbridge, wales

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By *waggerladMan over a year ago

Liverpool o

I dont and have know problem with those that do ....but keep it away from me and my kids and it has no place in Law making or running a country

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By *teveanddebsCouple over a year ago

Norwich

Anyone that believes in god should watch the Gay Byrne interview with Stephen Fry

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By *iss pleasuringWoman over a year ago

Somewhere near

I believe in me and my circle

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Don't believe in God but do play for my local Church Sunday morning mass now and again.

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By *ookMan over a year ago

london

God... ? Yes she’s lovely...

And god Is d o g spelt backwards... just saying.

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By *ensualbicockMan over a year ago

liverpool wavertree picton clock

We are the Gods

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By *ncemoreroundthesunCouple over a year ago

A town and place not in the UK

No.

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Black Sabbath did a track called God Is Dead?

According to faithless

God is a DJ

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By *adetMan over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"I do not believe in God but was very touched by a letter from a minister sent to our workplace which said he was praying to God that we all stayed safe.

That would be the same God that created Covid 19 then.

Would that be the same God that would give the vaccine for it too then??

xx"

All that would suggest is that God must take pleasure in destroying lives, only to send a cure via medical science when he'd had enough of playing games with people's lives. Yeah God sounds lovely

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By *itty9899Man over a year ago

Craggy Island

"Apparently scientists have found that we don't have free will but have a God gene.

So it's down to our DNA as to whether we believe or not

I am the voice of my own God, I thought with all this covid-19 scientists who have something better to do.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I belive in many gods. Just not ones that justify killing each other.

Did you know lady Luck is a roman goddess for example " lady Fortuna"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

For luck*

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Each to their own and all that but l do believe there is a God ,and l fully respect whatever anyone elses idea is and the same for those that don't believe..their life .. their choice...like l said ..each to their own. .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hey the whole universe is a mystery! As for a god who knows, I suppose we'll find out at the end

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Apparently scientists have found that we don't have free will but have a God gene.

So it's down to our DNA as to whether we believe or not

Of course the irony in that suggestion is overwhelming

The concept of free will is plausibly an illusion for all of us as is altruism

That said I feel the illusion so complex and flexible that I'm happy to understand the concepts a little and pretend I have choice, which I do within certain more rigid pre determined parameters

Do I feel the manifestation of creator concepts innate? Yes I think there are a number of psychological mechanisms we need and use as humans that can easily be confused into creator beliefs

A complex system is the brains ability to try to make sense when all the infrastructure is not present

We may only see or hear part of something and our marvellous brains will will in the gaps

We do this every day it works quite well some who do not understand it call it the sixth science x

A demonstration would be

Clouds, spot the rabbit the face the dragon

Folded ink blots ?

Hollow rotating masks

And I'd suggest this innate gap filling mechanism is one of many that indeed can lead to beliefs

As for is there a specific gene

Well I'm going to totally speculate for fun

Curiously perhaps normal humans are predisposed to a religious type belief

I do not know why I'm dyslexic but its suggedted it and autism are genetic

Iv also heard anecdotally that dyslexics are often non believers

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Life's full of profound statements, then your worm food.

Ony thing you can be sure of

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nope, Big Bang all the way

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By *ovegames42Man over a year ago

london

I’m a fraud not, no god would allow my father to go through so much pain and suffering before he died.

I do believe however that the spirit lives on, its an energy which does not die.

The Hunan body is a vessel to carry the spiritual energy from this life to the next.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Nope, Big Bang all the way "

The two aren't mutually exclusive in many theologies. The man who came up with the big bang theory was a Catholic priest after all.

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By *oinerbillMan over a year ago

warrington

"Each to their own and all that but l do believe there is a God ,and l fully respect whatever anyone elses idea is and the same for those that don't believe..their life .. their choice...like l said ..each to their own. . "

I believe there is a god as well, but I don't try to ram it down peoples throats, choose what you want to believe but don't insult others

believe or not, why not be respectful to each other

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By *ovegames42Man over a year ago

london

I believe there is a god as well, but I don't try to ram it down peoples throats, choose what you want to believe but don't insult others

believe or not, why not be respectful to each other"

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By *iker BullMan over a year ago

leeds

To all the believers,,,which God do you believe in?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If god is real, he has one major fucked up sense of humour with all the disabilities, diseases, illnesses and fucked up things he creates in the world.

No I do not believe in any god, religion, heaven or hell. I do believe that if it wasnt for religion, the world would be a more peaceful place to live.

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By *an_LexaCouple over a year ago

Sunderland

Nope

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I believe in God ...and Mary Poppins ... And thats it i believe in nothing else ! ..Not even myself ..Sometimes

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By *olarbear73Man over a year ago

Glasgow

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

I don't believe there's a benevelent, father figure watching over us, all the evidence suggests otherwise to me. I do think that humans need to believe in a higher power though. I believe that higher power is within ourselves and within the natural world.

However you define "God" you will always place more emphasis on the evidence to support your definition and less on the evidence that doesn't

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Apparently scientists have found that we don't have free will but have a God gene.

So it's down to our DNA as to whether we believe or not

I was loving your ironic suggestion

Many who hope a creator creature exists justify a lot of bad things happening because

" God didn't build robots it gave us free will"

However ironically it could be that evolutionary those who are obsessed cannot help themselves they are pre disposed to delusion

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By *adetMan over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"I don't believe there's a benevelent, father figure watching over us, all the evidence suggests otherwise to me. I do think that humans need to believe in a higher power though. I believe that higher power is within ourselves and within the natural world.

However you define "God" you will always place more emphasis on the evidence to support your definition and less on the evidence that doesn't "

I believe in things greater than myself i.e. landscape, art, music, nature and if people want to believe in all powerful creator I guess that's up to them

Unfortunately it never seems to stop there, they always seem to think that this creator is telling them what to and not just that, he seems to tell them that they have to tell me what to do

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

However you define "God" you will always place more emphasis on the evidence to support your definition and less on the evidence that doesn't

I believe in things greater than myself i.e. landscape, art, music, nature and if people want to believe in all powerful creator I guess that's up to them

Unfortunately it never seems to stop there, they always seem to think that this creator is telling them what to and not just that, he seems to tell them that they have to tell me what to do"

. We will never get away from god in all its many forms. A lot of people who say they don't believe in any form of god will without the slightest trace of irony tell you that karma is responsible for bad things happening to their enemies. Human beings need gods and they make them in their own image.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't neleive in God. Iean more toward pagan teachings (a lot of which are the basis for the catholic Church) Hubby is an atheist

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By *lint-EverhardMan over a year ago

Perpignan and cap

No, it's all a joke.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nope, not in the slightest.

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By *adetMan over a year ago

South of Ipswich

However you define "God" you will always place more emphasis on the evidence to support your definition and less on the evidence that doesn't

I believe in things greater than myself i.e. landscape, art, music, nature and if people want to believe in all powerful creator I guess that's up to them

Unfortunately it never seems to stop there, they always seem to think that this creator is telling them what to and not just that, he seems to tell them that they have to tell me what to do

Well I certainly agree with that. Read any holy texts and you can see instantly how man-made they are

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By *AYENCouple over a year ago

Lincolnshire

I think the question should have been "do you believe in A god" - there's over 2500 of them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Man (people) aren't able to comprehend God, the actual word or description is very hard to come up with.. Personally, I don't see God as a deity of any sort.. But I do believe in a creator. To see how complex the universe around us is, how fragile circumstances were/are for life to exist.. And life is such a gift.

I might be wrong, but think it was Einstein who said "God does not play dice with the universe".

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By *hebritukCouple over a year ago

London

According to the readings of Douglas Adams! There is no God?

And he proved it!!!

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By *rsbrooksandjohnCouple over a year ago

Swansea

I personally think that everyone is entitled to their beliefs whether it be in a god alah Buddha or non of the above.

But ido think they should be worshiped in private.

As the mojority of the wars and troubles around the world are in one or the others name.

If we do survive into the distant future i can see religions being banned in public.

Your sensible and non agressive opinions please

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

However you define "God" you will always place more emphasis on the evidence to support your definition and less on the evidence that doesn't

I believe in things greater than myself i.e. landscape, art, music, nature and if people want to believe in all powerful creator I guess that's up to them

Unfortunately it never seems to stop there, they always seem to think that this creator is telling them what to and not just that, he seems to tell them that they have to tell me what to do

Well I certainly agree with that. Read any holy texts and you can see instantly how man-made they are"

While not following any of the major religions or believing in the current popular Christian interpretation of God I can see that a God is necessary.

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By *tella HeelsTV/TS over a year ago

west here ford shire

Humanity needs to believe in an afterlife

Otherwise we would be hysterical about life just stopping

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By *hebritukCouple over a year ago

London

"Humanity needs to believe in an afterlife

Otherwise we would be hysterical about life just stopping"

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Man (people) aren't able to comprehend God, the actual word or description is very hard to come up with.. Personally, I don't see God as a deity of any sort.. But I do believe in a creator. To see how complex the universe around us is, how fragile circumstances were/are for life to exist.. And life is such a gift.

I might be wrong, but think it was Einstein who said "God does not play dice with the universe". "

Exactly how could something as complicated as HIV cov-sars2 tuberculosis ever JUST occur they beyond doubt illustrate meticulous conscious design

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By *nmgCouple over a year ago

Liverpool

After some.of the things I've seen in life..... I don't think so!

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By *2000ManMan over a year ago

Worthing

I believe there is some higher being or entity which governs out lives for the good.

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

However you define "God" you will always place more emphasis on the evidence to support your definition and less on the evidence that doesn't

I believe in things greater than myself i.e. landscape, art, music, nature and if people want to believe in all powerful creator I guess that's up to them

Unfortunately it never seems to stop there, they always seem to think that this creator is telling them what to and not just that, he seems to tell them that they have to tell me what to do

Well I certainly agree with that. Read any holy texts and you can see instantly how man-made they are

While not following any of the major religions or believing in the current popular Christian interpretation of God I can see that a God is necessary."

A creator concept is not necessary for all of us

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"I personally think that everyone is entitled to their beliefs whether it be in a god alah Buddha or non of the above.

But ido think they should be worshiped in private.

As the mojority of the wars and troubles around the world are in one or the others name.

If we do survive into the distant future i can see religions being banned in public.

Your sensible and non agressive opinions please "

I think humans use god and religion to justify their war like nature

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"I believe there is some higher being or entity which governs out lives for the good. "

Cov-sars2?

Cant reconcile your words

Higher

Govens

Good

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Gotta believe in something

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

However you define "God" you will always place more emphasis on the evidence to support your definition and less on the evidence that doesn't

I believe in things greater than myself i.e. landscape, art, music, nature and if people want to believe in all powerful creator I guess that's up to them

Unfortunately it never seems to stop there, they always seem to think that this creator is telling them what to and not just that, he seems to tell them that they have to tell me what to do

Well I certainly agree with that. Read any holy texts and you can see instantly how man-made they are

While not following any of the major religions or believing in the current popular Christian interpretation of God I can see that a God is necessary.

A creator concept is not necessary for all of us

Ok add "for many" to the end of my post

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By *bi HaiveMan over a year ago
Forum Mod

Cheeseville, Somerset

No.

There's been too many claimed to have existed over time, none of whom appear to have improved life for anyone or the planet.

It's always been a case of religion being used as a means of control, sometimes loosely sometimes strictly. Belief in any god has just caused division and animosity between people who otherwise would be no different, regardless of gender, ethnicity or any other differences.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"I believe there is some higher being or entity which governs out lives for the good. "

A lot of people believe that, my parents included. What or who is governing the bar bits?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

For some they worship Samsung and Apple and that's all they care about

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"I believe there is some higher being or entity which governs out lives for the good.

A lot of people believe that, my parents included. What or who is governing the bar bits? "

*bad

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

In a word..no

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By *pannerman1Man over a year ago

Rugby's

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan over a year ago

Den of Iniquity

If you are asking do I believe in an all seeing entity that controls everything and gave my mum cancer in her 40s and my dad in his 60s, and left me with no parents in my 30s .

Then no i do fucking not , because i refuse to believe that any higher all loving entity could be an absolute cunt .

No such fucking thing .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I might be wrong, but think it was Einstein who said "God does not play dice with the universe".

Exactly how could something as complicated as HIV cov-sars2 tuberculosis ever JUST occur they beyond doubt illustrate meticulous conscious design

I think you missed my point. You obviously don't believe in a god/creator (or seem to anyways), and you do make good arguments for your position, but I don't understand the way people say "if God exists, why does he let bad things happen?"...

If you take God out the equation, bad things always wilp happen, as well as good things. People will protect their families and children, the best they can, but that doesn't mean they can be sheilded and kept from harm for their whole lives.. We try to Encourage those we care about, as wanting them to be able to face the big bad world.

So IF God were to exist, why would he shield us from every little harm? Wouldn't he be like a parent and want us all to be best version of ourselves we could possibly be?

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By *adetMan over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"I personally think that everyone is entitled to their beliefs whether it be in a god alah Buddha or non of the above.

But ido think they should be worshiped in private.

As the mojority of the wars and troubles around the world are in one or the others name.

If we do survive into the distant future i can see religions being banned in public.

Your sensible and non agressive opinions please "

I also think that religious beliefs should remain private but that's not going to happen any time soon

Look at the religious lobby groups who are constantly trying to get laws passed in order to smuggle their beliefs in through the back door. Resist this while you still can I say

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By *adetMan over a year ago

South of Ipswich

I might be wrong, but think it was Einstein who said "God does not play dice with the universe".

Exactly how could something as complicated as HIV cov-sars2 tuberculosis ever JUST occur they beyond doubt illustrate meticulous conscious design

So IF God were to exist, why would he shield us from every little harm? Wouldn't he be like a parent and want us all to be best version of ourselves we could possibly be? "

There is parenting and then there is just being very sadistic

I would never argue that god doesn't exist because bad things happen but you would have to admit that God could in no way be described as loving

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I dont believe in god as the bearded man sitting on a cloud but I like to think there is a higher force at work in more of a 'Mother Nature' type of way.

There is, but she is both beautiful and cruel at the same time. Not called 'Mother' Nature for nothing..

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By *ovespudsMan over a year ago

Swindon

I'm definitely a non believer, but unlike many of the god squad I don't try to preach or ram down other people's throats. Live and let live.

IF there is/was a god then why let his "children" suffer ?

I do however believe in the origin of the species and ANYTHING that can actually be scientifically and factually proven beyond all reasonable doubt. Religion can't, as far as I'm aware, be proven in either case.

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By *emini ManMan over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

I think there's two sides to this one - the concept of "faith" as individuals that we all have to a greater or lesser degree and for some that faith is placed in a higher entity that provides guidance and allows those that believe to explain various circumstances and use it for support etc

Then there is the concept of organised religion which yes gives a focus point for those that choose to believe, but also is used as a controlling mechanism by the leaders of that organised religion (regardless of whether it is Christianity, Judaism, Islam or any of the other "religions" that abound).

This second thing I dismiss pretty much completely personally as I think organised religions are more about controlling the masses than anything and are a human construct designed for that reason alone - yes they do a lot of good, but they also create a lot of problems too - to use the Catholic church as an example - they could wipe out world poverty single handedly with their wealth, and yet they prey on their followers to keep putting their hands in their pockets, and that's before you get onto some of the more unsavoury things they have attempted to deny and cover up over the years.

So organised religion I have no time for or belief in - although respect others that use it as a form of satisfying their need for faith and guidance. And in fact a lot of the teachings of organised religions provide that perfectly in the form of the morality tales and fables they provide - but again for me they are exactly that and nothing more, and no more relevant than Aesops fables or Kipling's writing in that respect.

The idea of faith as individuals though I can understand and relate to - personally I don't believe in some greater power, but can understand how people might do for spiritual guidance or a crutch to support them in times of need - in fact I've often found that those that do believe in a God have come there one of two ways - either they were bought up religious and so have never believed differently, or they have turned to religion at a troubled time in their life and found it provided the support they needed to get through that time. Either way the individual concept of "faith" I can identify with whether that be placed in a God, a belief or aliens or whatever - we all have that "faith" inside us somewhere we just interpret it different ways and I respect anyone's right to interpret their faith differently from mine unless it is used to harm me and those I love - which is where the concept of organised religions being bad comes in, as it is those organised religions that lead to evil acts being carried out in their name.

Sorry that has turned into a bit of a ramble but in summary the answer for me is no I personally don't believe in a God but I respect other's right to do so

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

I think a lot of people get god and religion mixed up.

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By *ovespudsMan over a year ago

Swindon

Out of interest where does "god" stand on the subject of "the church" & pe*doph*lia ?

Just had a chuckle about a Kevin Bloody Wilson song, check "The Local".

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

I might be wrong, but think it was Einstein who said "God does not play dice with the universe".

Exactly how could something as complicated as HIV cov-sars2 tuberculosis ever JUST occur they beyond doubt illustrate meticulous conscious design

So IF God were to exist, why would he shield us from every little harm? Wouldn't he be like a parent and want us all to be best version of ourselves we could possibly be? "

You wrote

Personally, I don't see God as a deity of any sort.. But I do believe in a creator. To see how complex the universe around us is, how fragile circumstances were/are for life to exist..

So I absolutely did not miss any point your exact point

Intelligent design or ID

Ie "stuff is amazing and complex thus I deduce a creator was necessary"

I'm just highlighting using the ID logic that HIV cov-sars2 and tuberculosis are also complex

If a person feels a complex universe needs to be created because they cannot understand how it can occur without they need to understand that the bad things that exist would also be too complex to "just happen" they too would using ID logic need to have been meticulously planned

As you say luckily I do not agree with ID it always ends up with the ridiculous circular who created the ultimate being

I'm happy to accept existence and natural selection evolution can occur without a creator of any definition

Point not missed thanks

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think a lot of people get god and religion mixed up.

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By *emini ManMan over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

"I think a lot of people get god and religion mixed up.

You've just said in one line what I was attempting to say in several rambling ones

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What about the gene of the devil?

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By *ed-monkeyCouple over a year ago

Hailsham

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By *ed-monkeyCouple over a year ago

Hailsham

Yes, I have 2

Wait

Damn this dyslexia

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I personally don’t believe in god

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"No of course not. Religion, as opposed to God, is an evil thing and humanity would be much better without it."

The god gene is more to do with spirituality.

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By *emini ManMan over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

"Out of interest where does "god" stand on the subject of "the church" & pe*doph*lia ?

Just had a chuckle about a Kevin Bloody Wilson song, check "The Local"."

"God" (if one exists) would find it abhorrent - the senior figures of the organised religions that have allowed it and attempted to cover it up however are just as culpable as the perpetrators and proves my point about the difference between organised religion and personal faith

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"No....I dint believe in fairytales"

No belief in science then

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don’t believe. To much scientific proof to prove how things were created.

I think belief in some sort of God or religion, helps a mass of people feel united together and provides some false comfort. If they want to believe let them.

I think it would very easy to create a new belief and as long as you can get enough people to start to believe in it, then it spreads, and people will then find solidarity in a shared idea.

(Sorry is that too philosophical)

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"God was invented by the rich to keep the ignorant from rebelling.

Don’t ra*e, steal, murder unless we tell you, or you’ll burn in Hellfire for all damnation etc.

That’s what I have come to conclude.

Someone is welcome to try to change my point of view. "

You're mistaken, religion did that. Religion is man made.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"God... ? Yes she’s lovely...

And god Is d o g spelt backwards... just saying. "

But dieu isn't chien spelled backwards, same with gott and hund... Funny that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’m a devil worshiper so nope

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By *adetMan over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"No....I dint believe in fairytales

No belief in science then

I wouldn't say people 'believe' in science. I just accepted it as the best method we have for unveiling the natural world

And science will get us out of the mess we're currently in, that much I do know

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Apparently scientists have found that we don't have free will but have a God gene.

So it's down to our DNA as to whether we believe or not

I am the voice of my own God, I thought with all this covid-19 scientists who have something better to do."

The programme is very likely much older than covid 19. The parting of the red sea, this has been proved possible and I watched a programme on it years ago. The god gene isn't a 2020 theory.

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By *emini ManMan over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

"I don’t believe. To much scientific proof to prove how things were created.

I think belief in some sort of God or religion, helps a mass of people feel united together and provides some false comfort. If they want to believe let them.

I think it would very easy to create a new belief and as long as you can get enough people to start to believe in it, then it spreads, and people will then find solidarity in a shared idea.

(Sorry is that too philosophical)"

I agree for the most part although would disagree that the comfort religion provides is "false" - for those that believe it is very real.

As for creating a new faith - it happens all the time - it may not be a religion as such but is certainly a doctrine that people follow blindly just look at how many people place great belief in a certain celebrity or hang on every word of a YouTuber for examples of modern "faiths" - there are those out there who live by Elvis or Michael Jackson as some kind of god like entities as other examples - so who's to say in another 2000 years that they won't be held up as the current ages Jesus or Prophet Mohammed's?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

But maybe it's not choice as it's dependent upon dna

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By *emini ManMan over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

"God was invented by the rich to keep the ignorant from rebelling.

Don’t ra*e, steal, murder unless we tell you, or you’ll burn in Hellfire for all damnation etc.

That’s what I have come to conclude.

Someone is welcome to try to change my point of view.

You're mistaken, religion did that. Religion is man made. "

Nail on the head

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No....I dint believe in fairytales

No belief in science then

I wouldn't say people 'believe' in science. I just accepted it as the best method we have for unveiling the natural world

And science will get us out of the mess we're currently in, that much I do know "

What about theortical science? That can't be proved or disproved? Gravity for example.. Is just a theory...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As Phil Oakey wrote...

I believe, I believe what the old man said

Though I know that there's no lord above

I believe in me, I believe in you

And you know I believe in love

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Apparently scientists have found that we don't have free will but have a God gene.

So it's down to our DNA as to whether we believe or not

Of course the irony in that suggestion is overwhelming

The concept of free will is plausibly an illusion for all of us as is altruism

That said I feel the illusion so complex and flexible that I'm happy to understand the concepts a little and pretend I have choice, which I do within certain more rigid pre determined parameters

Do I feel the manifestation of creator concepts innate? Yes I think there are a number of psychological mechanisms we need and use as humans that can easily be confused into creator beliefs

A complex system is the brains ability to try to make sense when all the infrastructure is not present

We may only see or hear part of something and our marvellous brains will will in the gaps

We do this every day it works quite well some who do not understand it call it the sixth science x

We see this in Alzheimers disease, it's termed confabulation and helps people accept their environment when their identity no longer is consistent with reality.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Nope, Big Bang all the way "

The programme covered that too

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

No. Out of the thousands of religions and gods, any one of them would have small odds without evidence. They reflect the need that humans have had through time to either have some certainty in a harsh world, or for some people to control others, by and large.

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By *adetMan over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"No....I dint believe in fairytales

No belief in science then

I wouldn't say people 'believe' in science. I just accepted it as the best method we have for unveiling the natural world

And science will get us out of the mess we're currently in, that much I do know

What about theortical science? That can't be proved or disproved? Gravity for example.. Is just a theory..."

Gravity is just a theory? So you think it hasn't been proven to exist?

You sound like you're anti science to be fair

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By *bi HaiveMan over a year ago
Forum Mod

Cheeseville, Somerset

"I think a lot of people get god and religion mixed up.

But take 'God's out of the equation and religions would crumble.

Not necessarily bad thing.

You can be a compassionate, caring and kind individual without the need for a divine being and organised structure to control you.

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By *ab jamesMan over a year ago

ribble valley

I believe man has invented approx 10,000 different religious all with the same amount of proof. Believe in one believe in all.

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By *adetMan over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"I believe man has invented approx 10,000 different religious all with the same amount of proof. Believe in one believe in all.

Indeed. If a God did exist it would almost certainly be nothing like any of the ones that humans have invented

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I believe there is some higher being or entity which governs out lives for the good.

A lot of people believe that, my parents included. What or who is governing the bar bits? "

I believe good and bad are human concepts, hence we have God and the Devil. Animals do what they do with this concept. Microbes do what do without this concept.

It fits much of society to believe God is good. Yet if you look at Hinduism, God has many facets which encompasses both the concepts and as such has many God faces. It also encompasses male and female. To me, this is a closer representation of an omnipotent being. It also doesn't have the hang ups about sex

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By *ab jamesMan over a year ago

ribble valley

"No....I dint believe in fairytales

No belief in science then

I wouldn't say people 'believe' in science. I just accepted it as the best method we have for unveiling the natural world

And science will get us out of the mess we're currently in, that much I do know

What about theortical science? That can't be proved or disproved? Gravity for example.. Is just a theory...

Gravity is just a theory? So you think it hasn't been proven to exist?

You sound like you're anti science to be fair "

Not sure some people understand what theory means in science. I presume they don't believe germ theory either

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I'm definitely a non believer, but unlike many of the god squad I don't try to preach or ram down other people's throats. Live and let live.

IF there is/was a god then why let his "children" suffer ?

Religion is proved all the time. It's man-made.

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By *alking HeadMan over a year ago

Bolton

"I believe man has invented approx 10,000 different religious all with the same amount of proof. Believe in one believe in all.

9999 reasons why I cannot respect other people's religious beliefs.

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By *adetMan over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"No....I dint believe in fairytales

No belief in science then

I wouldn't say people 'believe' in science. I just accepted it as the best method we have for unveiling the natural world

And science will get us out of the mess we're currently in, that much I do know

What about theortical science? That can't be proved or disproved? Gravity for example.. Is just a theory...

Gravity is just a theory? So you think it hasn't been proven to exist?

You sound like you're anti science to be fair

Not sure some people understand what theory means in science. I presume they don't believe germ theory either

That's what I thought. I suspect they'll conveniently believe in science when they need medical intervention though

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Out of interest where does "god" stand on the subject of "the church" & pe*doph*lia ?

Just had a chuckle about a Kevin Bloody Wilson song, check "The Local".

Why would God find it abhorrent? I do but I am not God. Animals do it. Rules around sex is a societal concept.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I don’t believe. To much scientific proof to prove how things were created.

I think belief in some sort of God or religion, helps a mass of people feel united together and provides some false comfort. If they want to believe let them.

I think it would very easy to create a new belief and as long as you can get enough people to start to believe in it, then it spreads, and people will then find solidarity in a shared idea.

(Sorry is that too philosophical)"

Science and belief can co-exist.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I believe man has invented approx 10,000 different religious all with the same amount of proof. Believe in one believe in all.

Hinduism states all roads lead to God

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By *emini ManMan over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

"Out of interest where does "god" stand on the subject of "the church" & pe*doph*lia ?

Just had a chuckle about a Kevin Bloody Wilson song, check "The Local".

Why would God find it abhorrent? I do but I am not God. Animals do it. Rules around sex is a societal concept. "

Actually that's a very good point that adds further credence to the religion (and as a result God) being a human construct way of thinking

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I do. I have my beliefs which I would never impose on anyone, because I don’t think it’s right to.

I do find though, that when the conversation comes up (usually by a non believer) and you state you believe in a God, or you’re religious etc, those who don’t believe attack you with a million and one questions or attempt to ridicule you for believing in something they don’t.

Surely people should respect that not everyone thinks or believes the same as them.

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By *ab jamesMan over a year ago

ribble valley

Quick thought. If a religious person catches corona, can they just prey to their own god to help them. And leave us atheists the docs and nurses and hospitals

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By *ab jamesMan over a year ago

ribble valley

"I do. I have my beliefs which I would never impose on anyone, because I don’t think it’s right to.

Surely people should respect that not everyone thinks or believes the same as them.

Just remember some religions say its OK to kill non believers. Why on earth shouldn't they be called out

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By *emini ManMan over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

"I do. I have my beliefs which I would never impose on anyone, because I don’t think it’s right to.

Surely people should respect that not everyone thinks or believes the same as them.

To be fair it happens both ways round - those with belief often attempt to push their religion on non-believers - _he problem is it's only ever going to be a theoretical debate - the existence of a God has never been proven, and whilst that would provide leaning towards God not existing, the following of a God across multiple religions has provided sufficient belief in some to allow the debate to happen and not just end with "there's no proof God exists therefore he cannot"

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By *emini ManMan over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

"I do. I have my beliefs which I would never impose on anyone, because I don’t think it’s right to.

Surely people should respect that not everyone thinks or believes the same as them.

Just remember some religions say its OK to kill non believers. Why on earth shouldn't they be called out

No, some religions are interpreted by it's followers to mean that - Christianity proclaims an eye for an eye yet at the same time says we should turn the other cheek - it all comes down to human interpretation.

You'll find as many, if not more, within the religion you are referring to, who interpret that scripture entirely differently to the way you suggest

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By *ab jamesMan over a year ago

ribble valley

"I do. I have my beliefs which I would never impose on anyone, because I don’t think it’s right to.

Surely people should respect that not everyone thinks or believes the same as them.

Just remember some religions say its OK to kill non believers. Why on earth shouldn't they be called out

You'll find as many, if not more, within the religion you are referring to, who interpret that scripture entirely differently to the way you suggest"

So when God in the old testament says to attack the nearby tribes and kill every man woman and child but they can keep virgin girls for themselves, what did he mean

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I do. I have my beliefs which I would never impose on anyone, because I don’t think it’s right to.

Surely people should respect that not everyone thinks or believes the same as them.

Just remember some religions say its OK to kill non believers. Why on earth shouldn't they be called out

You'll find as many, if not more, within the religion you are referring to, who interpret that scripture entirely differently to the way you suggest"

I disagree. Eye for an eye = old testament (first 5 books equivalent to the torah?) wherein God is jealous, warlike and controlling, turn other cheek is after Christians have lobotomised their god into all good, loving, forgiving.

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By *ovespudsMan over a year ago

Swindon

Like I've always said, religion IS the route of all evil. IT causes more wars, arguements, bad feeling, suffering and countless other non productive thoughts and emotions than possibly anything else.

And yet, mankind hasn't and never will learn its lesson. We will continue to destroy our own planet and each other no matter what our beliefs.

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By *emini ManMan over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

"I do. I have my beliefs which I would never impose on anyone, because I don’t think it’s right to.

Surely people should respect that not everyone thinks or believes the same as them.

Just remember some religions say its OK to kill non believers. Why on earth shouldn't they be called out

You'll find as many, if not more, within the religion you are referring to, who interpret that scripture entirely differently to the way you suggest

Exactly my point - it comes down to human interpretation not any actual teachings from some deity that are to be followed to the letter - and the Old and New Testaments are still *both* referred to and used to preach despite the contradictions between them.

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By *emini ManMan over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

"Like I've always said, religion IS the route of all evil. IT causes more wars, arguements, bad feeling, suffering and countless other non productive thoughts and emotions than possibly anything else.

And yet, mankind hasn't and never will learn its lesson. We will continue to destroy our own planet and each other no matter what our beliefs."

Religion as in organised religion certainly has a lot to answer for

Individual belief or faith in a greater entity however is a separate thing.

Religion however cannot be blamed for the state of our planet that is down to us as humans, who, certainly for the last 100 or so years, when the planet has been destroyed the most, have been guided by religion less and less

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By *moothCriminal_xMan over a year ago

Redditch

I think you have misread what is meant by "god gene" in terms of evolutionary biology. Dawkins hypothesises that human society evolved alkng altruistic lines and our in group/out group tribalism is derived from altruistic impulses towards kin and those in the group designate. Religion is a meme (unit of culture) that helps propogate the species because of its function in binding a tribe together.

Memes are similar to genes in Dawkins model. The "god gene" is a phrase that is part metaphor and part conjecture about our biology being encoded with certain traits that are nurtured in the way we are raised to seek out patterns and meanings etc... Religion is a byproduct we can ow now transcend as we have better explanations fornhow things work.

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By *adetMan over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"I think you have misread what is meant by "god gene" in terms of evolutionary biology. Dawkins hypothesises that human society evolved alkng altruistic lines and our in group/out group tribalism is derived from altruistic impulses towards kin and those in the group designate. Religion is a meme (unit of culture) that helps propogate the species because of its function in binding a tribe together.

Well said

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By *uffnmuffCouple over a year ago

London

No I don't I stopped believing 20 years ago after watching my dad die of cancer.

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By *adetMan over a year ago

South of Ipswich

I also think its imperative to remember how religion behaved when it had power- a power they are slowly but determinedly trying to claw back

Years ago we would have been having this discussion at risk of our lives

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

VMAT2

Nothing misread as it was a programme watched.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’m a devil worshiper so nope

But if you believe in the Devil then you presumably believe in God, or at least in the faith system that the Devil comes from

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

Well said

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Apparently scientists have found that we don't have free will but have a God gene.

So it's down to our DNA as to whether we believe or not

So does your DNA change if you either believe but lose your faith, or find God later in life?

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

VMAT2

Nothing misread as it was a programme watched. "

Indeed I agree with both the evolved God " gene"

And the God meme

The God meme indeed can be the result of genetics

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Apparently scientists have found that we don't have free will but have a God gene.

So it's down to our DNA as to whether we believe or not

So does your DNA change if you either believe but lose your faith, or find God later in life?"

You'll have to watch the programme

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Apparently scientists have found that we don't have free will but have a God gene.

So it's down to our DNA as to whether we believe or not

So does your DNA change if you either believe but lose your faith, or find God later in life?"

You'll have to watch the programme

Thanks to everyone who took part in the thread

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