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"Today it is the start of easter and a big celebration in christianity, it is the ressurection of jesus are you also celebrating and thinking of him? " The only time I'm thinking of him is when I'm mid orgasm and screaming for Jesusssssss..X | |||
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"The symbolism of the resurection is taken from the winter soltice. Check it out. Jesus IS the Sun " The son, the sun... | |||
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"Today it is the start of easter and a big celebration in christianity, it is the ressurection of jesus are you also celebrating and thinking of him? " You’re a day early | |||
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" You’re a day early " No he isn't. Jesus was buried in the tomb on Ash Wednesday, spent three nights in there and rose on Saturday. | |||
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"The symbolism of the resurection is taken from the winter soltice. Check it out. Jesus IS the Sun The son, the sun..." Jesus is the SUN. He had 12 followers just like the sun has 12 astrological signs. He is just another solar deity | |||
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" You’re a day early No he isn't. Jesus was buried in the tomb on Ash Wednesday, spent three nights in there and rose on Saturday. " That is right | |||
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"The symbolism of the resurection is taken from the winter soltice. Check it out. Jesus IS the Sun The son, the sun... Jesus is the SUN. He had 12 followers just like the sun has 12 astrological signs. He is just another solar deity" Could have done with you when I took my daughter on the Easter hunt thing at the church last year. Thought it would be fun. Didn’t know we’d have a sheet with 10 religious questions on it. Never been so embarrassed. I knew about 2! | |||
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"Today it is the start of easter and a big celebration in christianity, it is the ressurection of jesus are you also celebrating and thinking of him? " as long as he not doing any sermons on the Mount and self-isolating I'm not that bothered. | |||
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"I feel sorry for the vicars who are banned from going alone into their churches. " Yes that must be difficult for them | |||
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" You’re a day early No he isn't. Jesus was buried in the tomb on Ash Wednesday, spent three nights in there and rose on Saturday. That is right " Erm, in whose version? | |||
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" You’re a day early No he isn't. Jesus was buried in the tomb on Ash Wednesday, spent three nights in there and rose on Saturday. That is right Erm, in whose version?" I'm not a great Catholic but in their version. | |||
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" You’re a day early No he isn't. Jesus was buried in the tomb on Ash Wednesday, spent three nights in there and rose on Saturday. " So the fucker knows how we all feel now then | |||
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"Today it is the start of easter and a big celebration in christianity, it is the ressurection of jesus are you also celebrating and thinking of him? " According to the myth his father who is also jesus meticulously created cov-sars2 I hope no believers are celebrating such a twisted concept I hope they are questioning the rationale of their belief I sincerely hope non of them are blaming the sins of humanity and I certainly hope no extreme people who call themselves Christians are trying to blame homosexuality Beyond that I wish everyone on the north side of the planet a happy spring day observing the true meaning ie plants budding flowers opening lambs springing around baby bird chicks hatching And remembering those who are experiencing a tragic or even expected death of a loved one Stay strong stay vigilant stay peaceful | |||
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"I watched this wonderful bishop on tv yesterday morning who was discussing her faith in the most fantastic way. The conversation got to being banned from entering the church ... Her reply was , the church is not just a building , the faith you have can be practised anywhere. The church is the people. She was brilliant" I have always treated my faith in such a way. There is difference between having faith, or following orginised religion. "Upon this rock I shall build this church", didn't mean I'm going to build a building right here on top of this rock | |||
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" You’re a day early No he isn't. Jesus was buried in the tomb on Ash Wednesday, spent three nights in there and rose on Saturday. That is right Erm, in whose version? I'm not a great Catholic but in their version." I’m given to understand that even in the Catholic version the crucifixion was on Good Friday and the resurrection two days later on what we now call Easter Sunday. Ash Wednesday is a much later add-on and is the start of Lent, some 40 days earlier. | |||
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"I watched this wonderful bishop on tv yesterday morning who was discussing her faith in the most fantastic way. The conversation got to being banned from entering the church ... Her reply was , the church is not just a building , the faith you have can be practised anywhere. The church is the people. She was brilliant I have always treated my faith in such a way. There is difference between having faith, or following orginised religion. "Upon this rock I shall build this church", didn't mean I'm going to build a building right here on top of this rock" Interpretation is a wonderful thing .. isn’t it | |||
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"Isn't it tomorrow? " He's still in his cave today. | |||
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" You’re a day early No he isn't. Jesus was buried in the tomb on Ash Wednesday, spent three nights in there and rose on Saturday. " Ash Wednesday is the beginning of Lent, not the end. | |||
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"Wow... clearly lockdown is having an impact more on some than others.... " Who you talking about? | |||
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"I'm not religious though I come from a catholic background. You may not believe it nor practice it, but all too often people who are devout are scorned and ridiculed. Christians especially, are easy targets and there's no end to the abuse they often receive. I think this is wrong and inappropriate." Well said. | |||
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"Wow... clearly lockdown is having an impact more on some than others.... Who you talking about?" The ones it’s having more of an impact on than others | |||
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"Wow... clearly lockdown is having an impact more on some than others.... " No I’d have my views whether it’s a lockdown or not! I find it distasteful and disrespectful to those with a faith to have this turned into a bloody sideshow. | |||
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" You’re a day early No he isn't. Jesus was buried in the tomb on Ash Wednesday, spent three nights in there and rose on Saturday. " Pics, or it never happened | |||
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" You’re a day early No he isn't. Jesus was buried in the tomb on Ash Wednesday, spent three nights in there and rose on Saturday. " Ash Weds was Feb 26th. That's a darn sight longer than three days ago! Easter is tomorrow. | |||
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"Wow... clearly lockdown is having an impact more on some than others.... Who you talking about? The ones it’s having more of an impact on than others " Sorry your being too vague | |||
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"Today it is the start of easter and a big celebration in christianity, it is the ressurection of jesus are you also celebrating and thinking of him? " | |||
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"Wow I’m not religious but let’s be kind You can have a faith and still be on here " | |||
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"Wow... clearly lockdown is having an impact more on some than others.... Who you talking about? The ones it’s having more of an impact on than others Sorry your being too vague " I very rarely talk about politics or religion... especially on a sex site. I also don’t call people up personally on a forum and if it was that big an issue I’d message them direct. I appreciate we are all different but the sun is shining and I’m Smiling | |||
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"I made a mistake saying Ash Wednesday. I just meant a Wednesday" Good Friday--crucifixion Easter Sunday--resurrection. | |||
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"Wow... clearly lockdown is having an impact more on some than others.... No I’d have my views whether it’s a lockdown or not! I find it distasteful and disrespectful to those with a faith to have this turned into a bloody sideshow. " Agreed. Believe what you want to, but there is really no need to take the piss. | |||
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"Wow... clearly lockdown is having an impact more on some than others.... Who you talking about? The ones it’s having more of an impact on than others Sorry your being too vague I very rarely talk about politics or religion... especially on a sex site. I also don’t call people up personally on a forum and if it was that big an issue I’d message them direct. I appreciate we are all different but the sun is shining and I’m Smiling " Okie Dokie | |||
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" You’re a day early No he isn't. Jesus was buried in the tomb on Ash Wednesday, spent three nights in there and rose on Saturday. " Ash wednesday is the START of lent isn't it? Like 6 weeks ago?? Very lapsed here but that's what I remember... The story is he was crucified and buried on Good Friday and found to have risen on Sunday Morning by his FB Mary Magdelene... | |||
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"Let's remember that Easter isn't a Christian festival. They stole it from the pagans. " Ehhh. The Romans (both before and after Christianity became official) adapted their beliefs to local festivals and beliefs to encourage assimilation. While Easter is associated with spring festivals of various indigenous European cultures... It's been literally thousands of years and the core of Easter comes from the Bible. | |||
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"Today it is the start of easter and a big celebration in christianity, it is the ressurection of jesus are you also celebrating and thinking of him? " Get a life ! What a load of bollox ! My wife was a nurse for 33 years, I nursed her for 7 years until cancer took her. And now there are tens of thousands of people dying all around the world and where is YOUR god ? If "IT" existed why does "IT" let "IT'S" "children" suffer ? And NO don't give me that crap about god working in mysterious ways. Rant over, stay safe stay home & protect the real miracle workers, ALL frontline heroes & not just those that are NHS. | |||
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"Let's remember that Easter isn't a Christian festival. They stole it from the pagans. Ehhh. The Romans (both before and after Christianity became official) adapted their beliefs to local festivals and beliefs to encourage assimilation. While Easter is associated with spring festivals of various indigenous European cultures... It's been literally thousands of years and the core of Easter comes from the Bible." True, but the word "Easter" does have pagan roots. Oestre was the goddess of fertility, represented by a hare. Hence the Easter bunny. | |||
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"Let's remember that Easter isn't a Christian festival. They stole it from the pagans. Ehhh. The Romans (both before and after Christianity became official) adapted their beliefs to local festivals and beliefs to encourage assimilation. While Easter is associated with spring festivals of various indigenous European cultures... It's been literally thousands of years and the core of Easter comes from the Bible." It's all plagiarized | |||
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"Let's remember that Easter isn't a Christian festival. They stole it from the pagans. Ehhh. The Romans (both before and after Christianity became official) adapted their beliefs to local festivals and beliefs to encourage assimilation. While Easter is associated with spring festivals of various indigenous European cultures... It's been literally thousands of years and the core of Easter comes from the Bible." Most people believe that but if you look up the Roman god Mythra you can clearly see where the Christians took all their ideas from. The story of Jesus is certainly not original | |||
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"Today it is the start of easter and a big celebration in christianity, it is the ressurection of jesus are you also celebrating and thinking of him? Get a life ! What a load of bollox ! My wife was a nurse for 33 years, I nursed her for 7 years until cancer took her. And now there are tens of thousands of people dying all around the world and where is YOUR god ? If "IT" existed why does "IT" let "IT'S" "children" suffer ? And NO don't give me that crap about god working in mysterious ways. Rant over, stay safe stay home & protect the real miracle workers, ALL frontline heroes & not just those that are NHS." I’m sorry about your wife and I tend to be of the same mind but I respect other people find comfort and peace in religion. To tell them to get a life is a bit disrespectful I feel. | |||
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"Let's remember that Easter isn't a Christian festival. They stole it from the pagans. Ehhh. The Romans (both before and after Christianity became official) adapted their beliefs to local festivals and beliefs to encourage assimilation. While Easter is associated with spring festivals of various indigenous European cultures... It's been literally thousands of years and the core of Easter comes from the Bible." So I was right then. They 'merged' (stole) it from the local (pagan) festival. | |||
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"Let's remember that Easter isn't a Christian festival. They stole it from the pagans. Ehhh. The Romans (both before and after Christianity became official) adapted their beliefs to local festivals and beliefs to encourage assimilation. While Easter is associated with spring festivals of various indigenous European cultures... It's been literally thousands of years and the core of Easter comes from the Bible. Most people believe that but if you look up the Roman god Mythra you can clearly see where the Christians took all their ideas from. The story of Jesus is certainly not original " They're all from ancient Egyptian religions | |||
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"Let's remember that Easter isn't a Christian festival. They stole it from the pagans. Ehhh. The Romans (both before and after Christianity became official) adapted their beliefs to local festivals and beliefs to encourage assimilation. While Easter is associated with spring festivals of various indigenous European cultures... It's been literally thousands of years and the core of Easter comes from the Bible. True, but the word "Easter" does have pagan roots. Oestre was the goddess of fertility, represented by a hare. Hence the Easter bunny. " I know. But apart from the name, the core of Easter is the suffering, crucifixion, and resurrection of Christ. And the adaptation happened over 1500 years ago. It's a Christian festival. | |||
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"Let's remember that Easter isn't a Christian festival. They stole it from the pagans. Ehhh. The Romans (both before and after Christianity became official) adapted their beliefs to local festivals and beliefs to encourage assimilation. While Easter is associated with spring festivals of various indigenous European cultures... It's been literally thousands of years and the core of Easter comes from the Bible. Most people believe that but if you look up the Roman god Mythra you can clearly see where the Christians took all their ideas from. The story of Jesus is certainly not original " I don't buy any of that at all. Yes I've looked into Zeitgeist. I don't find it believable. | |||
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"Today it is the start of easter and a big celebration in christianity, it is the ressurection of jesus are you also celebrating and thinking of him? Get a life ! What a load of bollox ! My wife was a nurse for 33 years, I nursed her for 7 years until cancer took her. And now there are tens of thousands of people dying all around the world and where is YOUR god ? If "IT" existed why does "IT" let "IT'S" "children" suffer ? And NO don't give me that crap about god working in mysterious ways. Rant over, stay safe stay home & protect the real miracle workers, ALL frontline heroes & not just those that are NHS." If you don't believe in God, why are you so angry? If you don't believe then all things that have happened in your life and the world are events that would have happened regardless, nothing you can do about it. So your angry rant is a pointless one or one if fear and confusion. All we can do right now is be kind, be responsible and do no harm. | |||
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"Yaay Zombie Jeebus. .. sheesh...like any of US deserve redemption.." Magic Woody Allen Zombie Superman Jesus???? Oh please say you're a fan?? | |||
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"Let's remember that Easter isn't a Christian festival. They stole it from the pagans. Ehhh. The Romans (both before and after Christianity became official) adapted their beliefs to local festivals and beliefs to encourage assimilation. While Easter is associated with spring festivals of various indigenous European cultures... It's been literally thousands of years and the core of Easter comes from the Bible. Most people believe that but if you look up the Roman god Mythra you can clearly see where the Christians took all their ideas from. The story of Jesus is certainly not original I don't buy any of that at all. Yes I've looked into Zeitgeist. I don't find it believable." There are plenty of books on Solar deities. | |||
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"Let's remember that Easter isn't a Christian festival. They stole it from the pagans. Ehhh. The Romans (both before and after Christianity became official) adapted their beliefs to local festivals and beliefs to encourage assimilation. While Easter is associated with spring festivals of various indigenous European cultures... It's been literally thousands of years and the core of Easter comes from the Bible. Most people believe that but if you look up the Roman god Mythra you can clearly see where the Christians took all their ideas from. The story of Jesus is certainly not original I don't buy any of that at all. Yes I've looked into Zeitgeist. I don't find it believable. There are plenty of books on Solar deities. " Yes. I don't find it believable. I'll let the Judeo-Christian tradition be that without throwing in conspiracy theories. | |||
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"Let's remember that Easter isn't a Christian festival. They stole it from the pagans. Ehhh. The Romans (both before and after Christianity became official) adapted their beliefs to local festivals and beliefs to encourage assimilation. While Easter is associated with spring festivals of various indigenous European cultures... It's been literally thousands of years and the core of Easter comes from the Bible. Most people believe that but if you look up the Roman god Mythra you can clearly see where the Christians took all their ideas from. The story of Jesus is certainly not original I don't buy any of that at all. Yes I've looked into Zeitgeist. I don't find it believable. There are plenty of books on Solar deities. Yes. I don't find it believable. I'll let the Judeo-Christian tradition be that without throwing in conspiracy theories." It's got nothing to do with conspiracies ( the religion chapter ) It's just telling you where it comes from | |||
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"Let's remember that Easter isn't a Christian festival. They stole it from the pagans. Ehhh. The Romans (both before and after Christianity became official) adapted their beliefs to local festivals and beliefs to encourage assimilation. While Easter is associated with spring festivals of various indigenous European cultures... It's been literally thousands of years and the core of Easter comes from the Bible. Most people believe that but if you look up the Roman god Mythra you can clearly see where the Christians took all their ideas from. The story of Jesus is certainly not original I don't buy any of that at all. Yes I've looked into Zeitgeist. I don't find it believable. There are plenty of books on Solar deities. Yes. I don't find it believable. I'll let the Judeo-Christian tradition be that without throwing in conspiracy theories. It's got nothing to do with conspiracies ( the religion chapter ) It's just telling you where it comes from " I remain unconvinced. | |||
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"Let's remember that Easter isn't a Christian festival. They stole it from the pagans. Ehhh. The Romans (both before and after Christianity became official) adapted their beliefs to local festivals and beliefs to encourage assimilation. While Easter is associated with spring festivals of various indigenous European cultures... It's been literally thousands of years and the core of Easter comes from the Bible. Most people believe that but if you look up the Roman god Mythra you can clearly see where the Christians took all their ideas from. The story of Jesus is certainly not original I don't buy any of that at all. Yes I've looked into Zeitgeist. I don't find it believable." Zeitgeist? I didn't mention that But like most religious people you'll believe what you choose to What I don't understand is why they expect not to be judged for their beliefs. We make decisions about people by what they believe all the time. It's unrealistic to say that people can believe whatever they like and not expect others to judge them on it | |||
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"I have no religion at all, but people can choose their own beliefs, religions, moralities call them what you wish. I respect each and everyone, but do not share them; I think all the OP asked was were we thinking of Jesus; my simple answer is NO; and there is no need for rants and vitriol over whether Jesus existed or not, or whether the bible is fact or fiction; those who believe will believe and those who don't will continue not too; neither faction should try to convert the other, especially not on Fab …." Well said that man. | |||
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"Today it is the start of easter and a big celebration in christianity, it is the ressurection of jesus are you also celebrating and thinking of him? " No more than i'm thinkin' of Luke Skywalker. | |||
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"Today it is the start of easter and a big celebration in christianity, it is the ressurection of jesus are you also celebrating and thinking of him? Get a life ! What a load of bollox ! My wife was a nurse for 33 years, I nursed her for 7 years until cancer took her. And now there are tens of thousands of people dying all around the world and where is YOUR god ? If "IT" existed why does "IT" let "IT'S" "children" suffer ? And NO don't give me that crap about god working in mysterious ways. Rant over, stay safe stay home & protect the real miracle workers, ALL frontline heroes & not just those that are NHS. If you don't believe in God, why are you so angry? If you don't believe then all things that have happened in your life and the world are events that would have happened regardless, nothing you can do about it. So your angry rant is a pointless one or one if fear and confusion. All we can do right now is be kind, be responsible and do no harm. " Just Cus somthing bad happens don’t need a reason behind it things happen !! That don’t mean there is not a god.. everyone has their own beliefs ? And if you don’t believe in god why is that ? Is it because u have had what you said above Happen in your life ? | |||
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"Looking at this thread makes us wonder why can't people accept that others have different beliefs to others. We have seen lots of non-believers mock believers, yet believers do not mock back. Why is that??" Yes me too and that is why the west is not as strong like the the other religions cos you are bigger and stronger as a unit cos of it, it is what makes a successful civilisation. | |||
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" You’re a day early No he isn't. Jesus was buried in the tomb on Ash Wednesday, spent three nights in there and rose on Saturday. That is right Erm, in whose version? I'm not a great Catholic but in their version. I’m given to understand that even in the Catholic version the crucifixion was on Good Friday and the resurrection two days later on what we now call Easter Sunday. Ash Wednesday is a much later add-on and is the start of Lent, some 40 days earlier." In that case I am a worse Catholic than I thought. I obviously don't practice, but respect anyone who has faith, as long as they have a good heart to go with it. | |||
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"I have no religion at all, but people can choose their own beliefs, religions, moralities call them what you wish. I respect each and everyone, but do not share them; I think all the OP asked was were we thinking of Jesus; my simple answer is NO; and there is no need for rants and vitriol over whether Jesus existed or not, or whether the bible is fact or fiction; those who believe will believe and those who don't will continue not too; neither faction should try to convert the other, especially not on Fab …." | |||
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"I have no religion at all, but people can choose their own beliefs, religions, moralities call them what you wish. I respect each and everyone, but do not share them; I think all the OP asked was were we thinking of Jesus; my simple answer is NO; and there is no need for rants and vitriol over whether Jesus existed or not, or whether the bible is fact or fiction; those who believe will believe and those who don't will continue not too; neither faction should try to convert the other, especially not on Fab …. " That is right I did, thinking about him | |||
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" You’re a day early No he isn't. Jesus was buried in the tomb on Ash Wednesday, spent three nights in there and rose on Saturday. That is right Erm, in whose version? I'm not a great Catholic but in their version. I’m given to understand that even in the Catholic version the crucifixion was on Good Friday and the resurrection two days later on what we now call Easter Sunday. Ash Wednesday is a much later add-on and is the start of Lent, some 40 days earlier. In that case I am a worse Catholic than I thought. I obviously don't practice, but respect anyone who has faith, as long as they have a good heart to go with it. " I thought Ash Wednesday/first day of Lent was to mark when Christ went into the wilderness for 40 days and 40 nights? That’s why folk give up something for lent, to mark his sacrifice. | |||
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"Looking at this thread makes us wonder why can't people accept that others have different beliefs to others. We have seen lots of non-believers mock believers, yet believers do not mock back. Why is that??Yes me too and that is why the west is not as strong like the the other religions cos you are bigger and stronger as a unit cos of it, it is what makes a successful civilisation." Religion has driven entire swathes of the planet back to the stone age so if anything religion is anti civilisation Religions now come across as peace loving and welcoming but please don't forget how religion behaved when it was strong | |||
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" You’re a day early No he isn't. Jesus was buried in the tomb on Ash Wednesday, spent three nights in there and rose on Saturday. That is right Erm, in whose version? I'm not a great Catholic but in their version." This is certainly not in the Catholic version. | |||
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" I’m given to understand that even in the Catholic version the crucifixion was on Good Friday and the resurrection two days later on what we now call Easter Sunday. " Except Friday plus three days and three nights is Monday...... | |||
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"Wow... clearly lockdown is having an impact more on some than others.... No I’d have my views whether it’s a lockdown or not! I find it distasteful and disrespectful to those with a faith to have this turned into a bloody sideshow. Agreed. Believe what you want to, but there is really no need to take the piss." I have not and do not take the piss The OP asked a question open to believers and non alike He made a statement however suggesting a fact There are often conspiracy theory threads I have not heard such defensive rhetoric when a twin tower theory is suggested and the flaws highlighted A religion is no more or no less special than any conspiracy theory the " believer" is convinced and disagreeing should not be considered disrespectful on an open topic discussing forum I believe (aherm) that a minority of religious guides ( preachers imams) have blamed both humanity and homosexuality for the cov-sars2 virus I find that offensive too thank you and I feel to deny my right to articulate why I find that wrong is equally disrespectful. I am told the easter story is about my sins .I find that notion disrespectful and thus feel fully able to suggest that according to their doctrine the horror we now are dealing with was created by a creature I'm told is worthy of worship I find that both disrespectful and highly distasteful I respect everyones right to believe anything they desire However it also needs to be respected that declaring their beliefs and factual statements on an open forum can be respectfully questioned | |||
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"Wow... clearly lockdown is having an impact more on some than others.... No I’d have my views whether it’s a lockdown or not! I find it distasteful and disrespectful to those with a faith to have this turned into a bloody sideshow. Agreed. Believe what you want to, but there is really no need to take the piss. I have not and do not take the piss The OP asked a question open to believers and non alike He made a statement however suggesting a fact There are often conspiracy theory threads I have not heard such defensive rhetoric when a twin tower theory is suggested and the flaws highlighted A religion is no more or no less special than any conspiracy theory the " believer" is convinced and disagreeing should not be considered disrespectful on an open topic discussing forum I believe (aherm) that a minority of religious guides ( preachers imams) have blamed both humanity and homosexuality for the cov-sars2 virus I find that offensive too thank you and I feel to deny my right to articulate why I find that wrong is equally disrespectful. I am told the easter story is about my sins .I find that notion disrespectful and thus feel fully able to suggest that according to their doctrine the horror we now are dealing with was created by a creature I'm told is worthy of worship I find that both disrespectful and highly distasteful I respect everyones right to believe anything they desire However it also needs to be respected that declaring their beliefs and factual statements on an open forum can be respectfully questioned " Well put | |||
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" You’re a day early No he isn't. Jesus was buried in the tomb on Ash Wednesday, spent three nights in there and rose on Saturday. That is right " Thats not right ! | |||
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" You’re a day early No he isn't. Jesus was buried in the tomb on Ash Wednesday, spent three nights in there and rose on Saturday. That is right Erm, in whose version? I'm not a great Catholic but in their version. I’m given to understand that even in the Catholic version the crucifixion was on Good Friday and the resurrection two days later on what we now call Easter Sunday. Ash Wednesday is a much later add-on and is the start of Lent, some 40 days earlier. In that case I am a worse Catholic than I thought. I obviously don't practice, but respect anyone who has faith, as long as they have a good heart to go with it. I thought Ash Wednesday/first day of Lent was to mark when Christ went into the wilderness for 40 days and 40 nights? That’s why folk give up something for lent, to mark his sacrifice." This is true It just gets blended for simplicity and most think lent is part of Easter It most likely is closely linked with eid Both of which seem to be fasting techniques borrowed from the Tao | |||
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" I’m given to understand that even in the Catholic version the crucifixion was on Good Friday and the resurrection two days later on what we now call Easter Sunday. Except Friday plus three days and three nights is Monday......" Doesn't actually say 3 days...says he rose on 3rd day. 1 Friday, 2 Saturday...you do the maths... Non-beleiver myself, but brought up catholic as a child so know the story well. Good luck and best wishes to those who do beleive and peace to all whatever their beleifs or not. | |||
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" You’re a day early No he isn't. Jesus was buried in the tomb on Ash Wednesday, spent three nights in there and rose on Saturday. That is right Erm, in whose version? I'm not a great Catholic but in their version. I’m given to understand that even in the Catholic version the crucifixion was on Good Friday and the resurrection two days later on what we now call Easter Sunday. Ash Wednesday is a much later add-on and is the start of Lent, some 40 days earlier." | |||
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"Wow... clearly lockdown is having an impact more on some than others.... No I’d have my views whether it’s a lockdown or not! I find it distasteful and disrespectful to those with a faith to have this turned into a bloody sideshow. Agreed. Believe what you want to, but there is really no need to take the piss. I have not and do not take the piss The OP asked a question open to believers and non alike He made a statement however suggesting a fact There are often conspiracy theory threads I have not heard such defensive rhetoric when a twin tower theory is suggested and the flaws highlighted A religion is no more or no less special than any conspiracy theory the " believer" is convinced and disagreeing should not be considered disrespectful on an open topic discussing forum I believe (aherm) that a minority of religious guides ( preachers imams) have blamed both humanity and homosexuality for the cov-sars2 virus I find that offensive too thank you and I feel to deny my right to articulate why I find that wrong is equally disrespectful. I am told the easter story is about my sins .I find that notion disrespectful and thus feel fully able to suggest that according to their doctrine the horror we now are dealing with was created by a creature I'm told is worthy of worship I find that both disrespectful and highly distasteful I respect everyones right to believe anything they desire However it also needs to be respected that declaring their beliefs and factual statements on an open forum can be respectfully questioned " Finally some sense! No belief system should be immune to criticism especially when that system makes very large claims for itself on absolutely no evidence | |||
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"No. He's not real. Neither is the Easter bunny but I'm thinking of that instead" Actually, that isn't true. Jesus, not the bunny! There's contemporary evidence in the historical record that supports this. Whether you believe he was Christ and rose from the dead is another matter. But he was certainly seen as a troublemaker by the Romans. | |||
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"I'm not religious though I come from a catholic background. You may not believe it nor practice it, but all too often people who are devout are scorned and ridiculed. Christians especially, are easy targets and there's no end to the abuse they often receive. I think this is wrong and inappropriate." Absolutely agree with this. | |||
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"No. He's not real. Neither is the Easter bunny but I'm thinking of that instead Actually, that isn't true. Jesus, not the bunny! There's contemporary evidence in the historical record that supports this. Whether you believe he was Christ and rose from the dead is another matter. But he was certainly seen as a troublemaker by the Romans." Still not convinced, you haven't altered my views. It's not just negativity but I've seen so much troubles across the world come from religions. And when I look deeper into why those things happen, it's because people think it's for the best. Well the one who suffers don't. If anything Christianity is probably the most gentle and accepting that I can see | |||
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"No. He's not real. Neither is the Easter bunny but I'm thinking of that instead Actually, that isn't true. Jesus, not the bunny! There's contemporary evidence in the historical record that supports this. Whether you believe he was Christ and rose from the dead is another matter. But he was certainly seen as a troublemaker by the Romans. Still not convinced, you haven't altered my views. It's not just negativity but I've seen so much troubles across the world come from religions. And when I look deeper into why those things happen, it's because people think it's for the best. Well the one who suffers don't. If anything Christianity is probably the most gentle and accepting that I can see " I'm not disagreeing that religion (or at least the more extreme aspects) has been the source of much trouble around the world. It was the point about Jesus being a real person. I think those on the wrong end of the Crusades may differ about Christianity being more benign, although without doubt that's more true nowadays. | |||
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"No. He's not real. Neither is the Easter bunny but I'm thinking of that instead Actually, that isn't true. Jesus, not the bunny! There's contemporary evidence in the historical record that supports this. Whether you believe he was Christ and rose from the dead is another matter. But he was certainly seen as a troublemaker by the Romans. Still not convinced, you haven't altered my views. It's not just negativity but I've seen so much troubles across the world come from religions. And when I look deeper into why those things happen, it's because people think it's for the best. Well the one who suffers don't. If anything Christianity is probably the most gentle and accepting that I can see " Christianity is fairly mild now but only because since the enlightenment it had to concede that it was in fact wrong about so many things If it ever became powerful again it would be absolutely disastrous for humanity | |||
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"I'm not religious though I come from a catholic background. You may not believe it nor practice it, but all too often people who are devout are scorned and ridiculed. Christians especially, are easy targets and there's no end to the abuse they often receive. I think this is wrong and inappropriate. Absolutely agree with this. " I'd like to make clear For most religions there is something called the doctrine So for example in christianity their could be Roman catholic And their can be Christadelphians Amongst a vast number of sckisms If a person declares themselves as a specific sect we could be forgiven in deducing we know a little about what they think on a topic if they adhere to that particular doctrine Same would go for Islam and Judaism However With christianity most who declare their allegiance do not particularly follow any one doctrine and many quite rightly fill in their own gaps to be happy If I throw scorn or harsh criticism it will always be directed at a particular part of a particular doctrine dont follow that bit then why take it personally I'll re iterate There are Christians and islamists who are now declaring cov-sars2 Is the direct result of homosexuality I feel that specifically deserved criticism and scorn If you do not hold such views dont take offense at the critique ? Generalizing about Christians or muslims Jews or Hindus is foolish and futile Being specific about concepts is rational and objective | |||
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"No. He's not real. Neither is the Easter bunny but I'm thinking of that instead Actually, that isn't true. Jesus, not the bunny! There's contemporary evidence in the historical record that supports this. Whether you believe he was Christ and rose from the dead is another matter. But he was certainly seen as a troublemaker by the Romans. Still not convinced, you haven't altered my views. It's not just negativity but I've seen so much troubles across the world come from religions. And when I look deeper into why those things happen, it's because people think it's for the best. Well the one who suffers don't. If anything Christianity is probably the most gentle and accepting that I can see I'm not disagreeing that religion (or at least the more extreme aspects) has been the source of much trouble around the world. It was the point about Jesus being a real person. I think those on the wrong end of the Crusades may differ about Christianity being more benign, although without doubt that's more true nowadays. " Ahhh okay. He was real but some/all of the story we get told isn't? I can accept that and believe this has happened easily. It's the oldest story told so it's bound to change isn't it? And of course different people look at it differently and adapt it to suit. | |||
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"Today it is the start of easter and a big celebration in christianity, it is the ressurection of jesus are you also celebrating and thinking of him? The only time I'm thinking of him is when I'm mid orgasm and screaming for Jesusssssss..X " I literally spat out my coffee when I read this. Brilliant | |||
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"The 'Jesus story' is a myth as are all Abrahamic religions. I despise the fact that people who claim to be of faith expect or demand that I give them respect any more than I would give respect to'flat earthers', pixies in the garden, elfs, unicorns Pegasus and Zeus et al. Why should I respect iron age myths and dogmas that are not relevant today? Some of these deluded people thought that volcanoes, earthquakes and the like were god showing ire for our sins. This was before all was explained by science and plate technotics. Yet, we have bishops still extolling this iron age wisdom in 2007 "The Rt Rev Graham Dow, Bishop of Carlisle, argued that the floods are not just a result of a lack of respect for the planet, but also a judgment on society's moral decadence." He was not alone...and these idiots are on our legislative bodies! Let's not forget that the god of the bible commanded genocide and ordered a man to gut his son, to take slaves...that does not sound like a religion deserving respect to me and it is certainly not a loving god. I would be very grateful if those who believe in this utter, wicked nonsense would keep it to themselves." The problem with this position is that this is also just a belief. Even Professor Richard Dawkins, the arch atheist, once said that in his heart he held your position but in his head he could only justify being agnostic because of the lack of evidence either way. | |||
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"I'm finding this a rather amusing thread. People seem to be getting rather argumentative/angry, mostly from atheists and non believers... Why all the hate? I'm sure there is enough hatred and intolerance in the world as it is, without ridiculing and belittling people that have different beliefs for others. Why does it matter what anyone else believes or doesn't if it doesn't have any impact on your life? " I think you will find women have been stoned to death and gay men slaughtered by "things people believe " Quite a large impact dont you think | |||
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"No. He's not real. Neither is the Easter bunny but I'm thinking of that instead Actually, that isn't true. Jesus, not the bunny! There's contemporary evidence in the historical record that supports this. Whether you believe he was Christ and rose from the dead is another matter. But he was certainly seen as a troublemaker by the Romans. Still not convinced, you haven't altered my views. It's not just negativity but I've seen so much troubles across the world come from religions. And when I look deeper into why those things happen, it's because people think it's for the best. Well the one who suffers don't. If anything Christianity is probably the most gentle and accepting that I can see Christianity is fairly mild now but only because since the enlightenment it had to concede that it was in fact wrong about so many things If it ever became powerful again it would be absolutely disastrous for humanity " In fact just look at Africa now and see how the Roman catholic teachings on contraception has lead to the deaths of millions people from Aids. And that doctrine is issued straight from the head of the Catholic church so in fact Christianity has not been tamed in large parts of the world resulting in nothing short of a humanitarian atrocity | |||
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"No. He's not real. Neither is the Easter bunny but I'm thinking of that instead Actually, that isn't true. Jesus, not the bunny! There's contemporary evidence in the historical record that supports this. Whether you believe he was Christ and rose from the dead is another matter. But he was certainly seen as a troublemaker by the Romans. Still not convinced, you haven't altered my views. It's not just negativity but I've seen so much troubles across the world come from religions. And when I look deeper into why those things happen, it's because people think it's for the best. Well the one who suffers don't. If anything Christianity is probably the most gentle and accepting that I can see I'm not disagreeing that religion (or at least the more extreme aspects) has been the source of much trouble around the world. It was the point about Jesus being a real person. I think those on the wrong end of the Crusades may differ about Christianity being more benign, although without doubt that's more true nowadays. Ahhh okay. He was real but some/all of the story we get told isn't? I can accept that and believe this has happened easily. It's the oldest story told so it's bound to change isn't it? And of course different people look at it differently and adapt it to suit." It is a long long way from being the oldest story btw. | |||
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"Today it is the start of easter and a big celebration in christianity, it is the ressurection of jesus are you also celebrating and thinking of him? " This question is wholly inappropriate and offensive on a site like Fab tbh! | |||
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"The 'Jesus story' is a myth as are all Abrahamic religions. I despise the fact that people who claim to be of faith expect or demand that I give them respect any more than I would give respect to'flat earthers', pixies in the garden, elfs, unicorns Pegasus and Zeus et al. Why should I respect iron age myths and dogmas that are not relevant today? Some of these deluded people thought that volcanoes, earthquakes and the like were god showing ire for our sins. This was before all was explained by science and plate technotics. Yet, we have bishops still extolling this iron age wisdom in 2007 "The Rt Rev Graham Dow, Bishop of Carlisle, argued that the floods are not just a result of a lack of respect for the planet, but also a judgment on society's moral decadence." He was not alone...and these idiots are on our legislative bodies! Let's not forget that the god of the bible commanded genocide and ordered a man to gut his son, to take slaves...that does not sound like a religion deserving respect to me and it is certainly not a loving god. I would be very grateful if those who believe in this utter, wicked nonsense would keep it to themselves. The problem with this position is that this is also just a belief. Even Professor Richard Dawkins, the arch atheist, once said that in his heart he held your position but in his head he could only justify being agnostic because of the lack of evidence either way. " I think Dawkins says he is actually a 6.9 on a scale of 7 but then goes on to say that it's only because you cannot 100% disprove any claim | |||
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"No. He's not real. Neither is the Easter bunny but I'm thinking of that instead Actually, that isn't true. Jesus, not the bunny! There's contemporary evidence in the historical record that supports this. Whether you believe he was Christ and rose from the dead is another matter. But he was certainly seen as a troublemaker by the Romans. Still not convinced, you haven't altered my views. It's not just negativity but I've seen so much troubles across the world come from religions. And when I look deeper into why those things happen, it's because people think it's for the best. Well the one who suffers don't. If anything Christianity is probably the most gentle and accepting that I can see I'm not disagreeing that religion (or at least the more extreme aspects) has been the source of much trouble around the world. It was the point about Jesus being a real person. I think those on the wrong end of the Crusades may differ about Christianity being more benign, although without doubt that's more true nowadays. Ahhh okay. He was real but some/all of the story we get told isn't? I can accept that and believe this has happened easily. It's the oldest story told so it's bound to change isn't it? And of course different people look at it differently and adapt it to suit. It is a long long way from being the oldest story btw." | |||
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"Wow I’m not religious but let’s be kind You can have a faith and still be on here " Totally agree, some inappropriate comments on here, I’m all for fun but I think for people that are religious this is not something they would want to read as probably hard enough they can’t celebrate in their normal way. Be kind people. | |||
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"I'm finding this a rather amusing thread. People seem to be getting rather argumentative/angry, mostly from atheists and non believers... Why all the hate? I'm sure there is enough hatred and intolerance in the world as it is, without ridiculing and belittling people that have different beliefs for others. Why does it matter what anyone else believes or doesn't if it doesn't have any impact on your life? I think you will find women have been stoned to death and gay men slaughtered by "things people believe " Quite a large impact dont you think " Yeah, but as have stated, think this comes down to organised religion. And in my honest opinion, any violence done toward another human being in the name of a religion, has themselves, some deep rooted problems or taken texts wrong way. I've never read the bible (King James version) and thought to myself, all these non Christian people need smited with gods wroth... Or indeed, take into my own hands and dole out judgement and persecution. | |||
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"Today it is the start of easter and a big celebration in christianity, it is the ressurection of jesus are you also celebrating and thinking of him? This question is wholly inappropriate and offensive on a site like Fab tbh! " How so? No wait don't tell me, I don't care. | |||
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"Wow I’m not religious but let’s be kind You can have a faith and still be on here Totally agree, some inappropriate comments on here, I’m all for fun but I think for people that are religious this is not something they would want to read as probably hard enough they can’t celebrate in their normal way. Be kind people. " This is actually the problem. Its ok to criticize someone else's beliefs. We do it all the time with anything else. Religious claims do not have the right to be free from criticism. That would be a very dangerous path to take | |||
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"I'm finding this a rather amusing thread. People seem to be getting rather argumentative/angry, mostly from atheists and non believers... Why all the hate? I'm sure there is enough hatred and intolerance in the world as it is, without ridiculing and belittling people that have different beliefs for others. Why does it matter what anyone else believes or doesn't if it doesn't have any impact on your life? I think you will find women have been stoned to death and gay men slaughtered by "things people believe " Quite a large impact dont you think Yeah, but as have stated, think this comes down to organised religion. And in my honest opinion, any violence done toward another human being in the name of a religion, has themselves, some deep rooted problems or taken texts wrong way. I've never read the bible (King James version) and thought to myself, all these non Christian people need smited with gods wroth... Or indeed, take into my own hands and dole out judgement and persecution. " But the so called holy books aren't taken out of context Read the old testament and you'll see that God commands his followers to commit the most horrific acts | |||
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"Wow I’m not religious but let’s be kind You can have a faith and still be on here Totally agree, some inappropriate comments on here, I’m all for fun but I think for people that are religious this is not something they would want to read as probably hard enough they can’t celebrate in their normal way. Be kind people. This is actually the problem. Its ok to criticize someone else's beliefs. We do it all the time with anything else. Religious claims do not have the right to be free from criticism. That would be a very dangerous path to take " But is it OK to critise someone for their beliefs? Disagree yes, criticise not so sure. | |||
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" Just Cus somthing bad happens don’t need a reason behind it things happen !! That don’t mean there is not a god.. everyone has their own beliefs ? And if you don’t believe in god why is that ? Is it because u have had what you said above Happen in your life ? " When "bad things happen" there is almost always a reason behind it, a cause. Be it an earthquake that causes a tsunami or a road traffic accident caused by a d*unk or a defective vehicle. My point is IF there was a god why would he let his "children" suffer. As for the "bad things" that have happened in my life, they haven't happened because I'm an atheist or a bad person, I've actually saved the lives of FIVE suicidal people & killed one (the joys of being a train driver). At the end of the day shit happens and a non existent god isn't going to prevent it or save us. Stay safe. | |||
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"Wow I’m not religious but let’s be kind You can have a faith and still be on here Totally agree, some inappropriate comments on here, I’m all for fun but I think for people that are religious this is not something they would want to read as probably hard enough they can’t celebrate in their normal way. Be kind people. This is actually the problem. Its ok to criticize someone else's beliefs. We do it all the time with anything else. Religious claims do not have the right to be free from criticism. That would be a very dangerous path to take But is it OK to critise someone for their beliefs? Disagree yes, criticise not so sure." I didn't mention criticising someone for their beliefs. I said the beliefs shouldn't be free from criticism | |||
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"Wow I’m not religious but let’s be kind You can have a faith and still be on here Totally agree, some inappropriate comments on here, I’m all for fun but I think for people that are religious this is not something they would want to read as probably hard enough they can’t celebrate in their normal way. Be kind people. This is actually the problem. Its ok to criticize someone else's beliefs. We do it all the time with anything else. Religious claims do not have the right to be free from criticism. That would be a very dangerous path to take But is it OK to critise someone for their beliefs? Disagree yes, criticise not so sure." Absolutely not only if they act on that belief and that action is negative However I hope we can distinguish between criticising someone personally for holding a belief ( mostly unacceptable ) And questioning the motives impact and validity of the doctrine or the words the belief is based upon | |||
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" You’re a day early No he isn't. Jesus was buried in the tomb on Ash Wednesday, spent three nights in there and rose on Saturday. " Utter nonsense. Ash Wednesday was weeks ago (It's the day after Shrove Tuesday - more commonly known as Pancake day) Ash Wednesday is the beginning of lent. He was crucified on the Friday. That is why we have Good Friday. | |||
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" You’re a day early No he isn't. Jesus was buried in the tomb on Ash Wednesday, spent three nights in there and rose on Saturday. Utter nonsense. Ash Wednesday was weeks ago (It's the day after Shrove Tuesday - more commonly known as Pancake day) Ash Wednesday is the beginning of lent. He was crucified on the Friday. That is why we have Good Friday." You should of stopped at - 'utter nonsense'. | |||
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"I'm finding this a rather amusing thread. People seem to be getting rather argumentative/angry, mostly from atheists and non believers... Why all the hate? I'm sure there is enough hatred and intolerance in the world as it is, without ridiculing and belittling people that have different beliefs for others. Why does it matter what anyone else believes or doesn't if it doesn't have any impact on your life? I think you will find women have been stoned to death and gay men slaughtered by "things people believe " Quite a large impact dont you think Yeah, but as have stated, think this comes down to organised religion. And in my honest opinion, any violence done toward another human being in the name of a religion, has themselves, some deep rooted problems or taken texts wrong way. I've never read the bible (King James version) and thought to myself, all these non Christian people need smited with gods wroth... Or indeed, take into my own hands and dole out judgement and persecution. But the so called holy books aren't taken out of context Read the old testament and you'll see that God commands his followers to commit the most horrific acts " I don't follow old testament, think I made that clear when stated reading King James version.. | |||
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" If you don't believe in God, why are you so angry? If you don't believe then all things that have happened in your life and the world are events that would have happened regardless, nothing you can do about it. So your angry rant is a pointless one or one if fear and confusion. All we can do right now is be kind, be responsible and do no harm. " Just to be clear ABSOLUTELY, NO RELIGION OR BELIEF will EVER stop ANY disaster, manmade or otherwise. I'm "angry" because of people that try to preach to/or convert people. And don't even get me started on the subject of Jehovah's witnesses (child killing scum). When I sat next to my wife's hospice bed for a week watching her life ebb away and having her beg me to let her die, I wasn't angry with a "god" that didn't exist. And I am most certainly NOT living in fear or confusion. Stay safe. | |||
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"I'm finding this a rather amusing thread. People seem to be getting rather argumentative/angry, mostly from atheists and non believers... Why all the hate? I'm sure there is enough hatred and intolerance in the world as it is, without ridiculing and belittling people that have different beliefs for others. Why does it matter what anyone else believes or doesn't if it doesn't have any impact on your life? I think you will find women have been stoned to death and gay men slaughtered by "things people believe " Quite a large impact dont you think Yeah, but as have stated, think this comes down to organised religion. And in my honest opinion, any violence done toward another human being in the name of a religion, has themselves, some deep rooted problems or taken texts wrong way. I've never read the bible (King James version) and thought to myself, all these non Christian people need smited with gods wroth... Or indeed, take into my own hands and dole out judgement and persecution. But the so called holy books aren't taken out of context Read the old testament and you'll see that God commands his followers to commit the most horrific acts I don't follow old testament, think I made that clear when stated reading King James version.. " Errr the king James version starts with the old testament | |||
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"I will not Shag, but I hope you have a good one if you are celebrating. X " Ty and yes I will and I will have easter dinner too | |||
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"I will not Shag, but I hope you have a good one if you are celebrating. X Ty and yes I will and I will have easter dinner too " What do you have for dinner | |||
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" You’re a day early No he isn't. Jesus was buried in the tomb on Ash Wednesday, spent three nights in there and rose on Saturday. Utter nonsense. Ash Wednesday was weeks ago (It's the day after Shrove Tuesday - more commonly known as Pancake day) Ash Wednesday is the beginning of lent. He was crucified on the Friday. That is why we have Good Friday. You should of stopped at - 'utter nonsense'. " Good point | |||
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"I will not Shag, but I hope you have a good one if you are celebrating. X Ty and yes I will and I will have easter dinner too What do you have for dinner" I will have meatballs, fish potatoes amongst other things and a peach kopparberg, you? | |||
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"I'm not religious though I come from a catholic background. You may not believe it nor practice it, but all too often people who are devout are scorned and ridiculed. Christians especially, are easy targets and there's no end to the abuse they often receive. I think this is wrong and inappropriate. " this is so right, if you cant be nice and respect peoples faith please don't be cruel | |||
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"I will not Shag, but I hope you have a good one if you are celebrating. X Ty and yes I will and I will have easter dinner too What do you have for dinnerI will have meatballs, fish potatoes amongst other things and a peach kopparberg, you?" Is that a traditional easter feast for you, or just what you fancy. I shall definitely have cider tonight, beyond that Im not sure yet | |||
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"I will not Shag, but I hope you have a good one if you are celebrating. X Ty and yes I will and I will have easter dinner too What do you have for dinnerI will have meatballs, fish potatoes amongst other things and a peach kopparberg, you? Is that a traditional easter feast for you, or just what you fancy. I shall definitely have cider tonight, beyond that Im not sure yet " Do someone say Cider? | |||
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"I will not Shag, but I hope you have a good one if you are celebrating. X Ty and yes I will and I will have easter dinner too What do you have for dinnerI will have meatballs, fish potatoes amongst other things and a peach kopparberg, you? Is that a traditional easter feast for you, or just what you fancy. I shall definitely have cider tonight, beyond that Im not sure yet Do someone say Cider? " Yes we did and yes it is s traditional easter meal too and a typical swedish one too with lots of fish, that is good you will have a cider too | |||
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"No it's all load of bollox" We often wonder why it's acceptable to slate Christians and our beliefs, but not Islam - is it because such people are too scared to upset Muslims bit think is Christians will just turn the other cheek? It certainly helps us fill our block list! | |||
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"No. Not religious at all. If such things did exist why would so many bad things happen in the world. (Rhetorical question btw won't change my mind or be convinced otherwise lol). " The Problem of Pain by CS Lewis is an interesting read for that question. | |||
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"Atheist." God doesn't believe in atheists | |||
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"I'm finding this a rather amusing thread. People seem to be getting rather argumentative/angry, mostly from atheists and non believers... Why all the hate? I'm sure there is enough hatred and intolerance in the world as it is, without ridiculing and belittling people that have different beliefs for others. Why does it matter what anyone else believes or doesn't if it doesn't have any impact on your life? I think you will find women have been stoned to death and gay men slaughtered by "things people believe " Quite a large impact dont you think Yeah, but as have stated, think this comes down to organised religion. And in my honest opinion, any violence done toward another human being in the name of a religion, has themselves, some deep rooted problems or taken texts wrong way. I've never read the bible (King James version) and thought to myself, all these non Christian people need smited with gods wroth... Or indeed, take into my own hands and dole out judgement and persecution. But the so called holy books aren't taken out of context Read the old testament and you'll see that God commands his followers to commit the most horrific acts I don't follow old testament, think I made that clear when stated reading King James version.. Errr the king James version starts with the old testament" It certainly does, but teachings are quite different. | |||
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"I will be making another thread but with a different title of it." Try and not make it about religion | |||
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"I think this thread should not be on a site like this as everyone has various opinions beliefs and talking about religion etc on a sex site ??? Surely someone who believes in somthing will take offence to someone’s comments.. " I agree totally , there are comments that I and other Christians find dis tasteful I will never understand why people find humour in mocking other peoples beleifs If you don't agree with them just ignore them, no need to mock and try to be funny But I agree these kind of posts should not be on here | |||
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