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Does having a Qualification in something, make you an expert in it.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Something to come from another thread.. Now I am one of these people who when I get bored, I get another qualification but also I am constantly learning about the world about me.
History and geology and palaeontology being 3 of my favourite subjects to learn about.
Leading to the fact I could now at adult education level teach 3 separate subjects.. Now I don't think that makes me an expert in any of these fields, just someone with a keen need to learn and educate myself further.
The one subject I have most qualifications in is human behaviour.. yet obviously what I know is only a drop in the ocean of what could be learnt. There is plenty that I don't know on this subject, and things are always being changed.
Yet I would say I knew more about a subject I hold no recognised qualification in, simply through experience and knowledge..
So I ask.. do qualifications mean your an expert in that field.. ???
I know for me that when I did psychology it was too broad a spectrum to cover it all.. and same with geology and history and music.
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not in my expierence of qualifications unless you really plough on and do all the advanced ones at the highest levels , of course depends on the courses |
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Depends how offen you use your knowledge, i went to uni when i was young, like most and i got a few degrees in certain subjects some of which i have never used since leaving uni and because they are subject that i havnt used in many years i have forgotten half the stuff i learned, but i still have the qualification so not it dont always make you an expert
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Plenty of people are qualified to drive a motor vehicle on our roads, but very few could even loosely be described as being experts.  "
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That is true.. 
Actually one of my best friends due to a learning difficulty has NO qualifications.. yet what he doesnt know on one or two subjects isn't worth knowing..
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When people try top shove their qualifications down other peoples throats as a way to belittle others or to make themselves look better I have to wonder why they feel the need to do that?
Well done for getting them it proves you have the ability to listen and learn about a certain subject and then pass the required exams to get a piece of paper
It may well make you an expert but that still subject to debate from other people,nothing is undebatable,its how you put your point across and use the expertise that matters
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"When people try top shove their qualifications down other peoples throats as a way to belittle others or to make themselves look better I have to wonder why they feel the need to do that?
Well done for getting them it proves you have the ability to listen and learn about a certain subject and then pass the required exams to get a piece of paper
It may well make you an expert but that still subject to debate from other people,nothing is undebatable,its how you put your point across and use the expertise that matters
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Very well put.....
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"When people try top shove their qualifications down other peoples throats as a way to belittle others or to make themselves look better I have to wonder why they feel the need to do that?
Well done for getting them it proves you have the ability to listen and learn about a certain subject and then pass the required exams to get a piece of paper
It may well make you an expert but that still subject to debate from other people,nothing is undebatable,its how you put your point across and use the expertise that matters
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Very very well put.. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Depends how offen you use your knowledge, i went to uni when i was young, like most and i got a few degrees in certain subjects some of which i have never used since leaving uni and because they are subject that i havnt used in many years i have forgotten half the stuff i learned, but i still have the qualification so not it dont always make you an expert
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See that is so true.. I got an a* in French but would struggle to order a meal or ask directions now lol
Although sometimes I can be reading something on a subject long since forgotten and its like a light bulb goes on.. lol
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When I worked for a well known pet store, I had loads of certificates on fish care. People would always refer to me as the resident expert, which I hated. I was no expert, just took what I had learnt, and made it accessible to people who needed to know it.
The person who took my place when I left, knew as much as me, if not more, but he couldn't break it down to the public's level. He was telling new fish keepers the proper latin names of fish. Like they really cared! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" but would struggle to order a meal or ask directions now lol
Cali"
Now I could order a meal, sort the hotel rooms even have a conversation in French, but one day pulled into a large petrol station checked the pump number walked in to pay.... and could not for the life of me remember how to say 15 in French.... that was a long time ago now, not really been there so probably couldn't manage more than the basics anymore.... and always go for a low numbered petrol pump  |
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I had a wall and box full of cert's for my old job, you needed them to work. Seventy percent of it I never used. Qualifications are get to have but experience, a keen mind and a willingness to learn new things is in my opinion what make someone truly good at their chosen profession |
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"Something to come from another thread.. Now I am one of these people who when I get bored, I get another qualification but also I am constantly learning about the world about me.
History and geology and palaeontology being 3 of my favourite subjects to learn about.
Leading to the fact I could now at adult education level teach 3 separate subjects.. Now I don't think that makes me an expert in any of these fields, just someone with a keen need to learn and educate myself further.
The one subject I have most qualifications in is human behaviour.. yet obviously what I know is only a drop in the ocean of what could be learnt. There is plenty that I don't know on this subject, and things are always being changed.
Yet I would say I knew more about a subject I hold no recognised qualification in, simply through experience and knowledge..
So I ask.. do qualifications mean your an expert in that field.. ???
I know for me that when I did psychology it was too broad a spectrum to cover it all.. and same with geology and history and music.
Cali "
working in the security level at a high training standard, before you become a trainer you have to prove sector competance, guess thats a close as an expert you would get, anyone can qualify at anything, but doesnt mean you will be good at doing the job or good at teaching the subject |
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By (user no longer on site)
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You can have all the qualifications in the world ... but I usually find the ones that shout about them the most have the least important things to say
Like its been said earlier .. its not all about that its how you put them to good use without feeling the need to tell everyone just how brilliant you are
I had to leave school early .. I have no A levels .. no degrees ... nothing but what I do have is learning experience from life |
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I have two degrees and working towards a PhD. I am shite at programming so that first one is useless. I have some knowledge of surveying but am not an expert in that either. The PhD....hahahahahahaha. dumbest doctor EVER! :p |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Something to come from another thread.. Now I am one of these people who when I get bored, I get another qualification but also I am constantly learning about the world about me.
History and geology and palaeontology being 3 of my favourite subjects to learn about.
Leading to the fact I could now at adult education level teach 3 separate subjects.. Now I don't think that makes me an expert in any of these fields, just someone with a keen need to learn and educate myself further.
The one subject I have most qualifications in is human behaviour.. yet obviously what I know is only a drop in the ocean of what could be learnt. There is plenty that I don't know on this subject, and things are always being changed.
Yet I would say I knew more about a subject I hold no recognised qualification in, simply through experience and knowledge..
So I ask.. do qualifications mean your an expert in that field.. ???
I know for me that when I did psychology it was too broad a spectrum to cover it all.. and same with geology and history and music.
Cali "
It all depends on the qualification you have and what values the qualification has. On the whole someone who has a qualification in a certain subject has a decent amount of knowledge to pass it.
I am still waiting for someone to pop up with a pussy care or cock care qualification. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I know several people who are gifted academically but speak to them about life in general and they are an absolute ditz.
A qualification is merely an indication that you studied enough of a certain subject following criteria set out buy the examing body to obtain a pass in that subject. It does not entitle you to declare yourself an expert, only others can bestow that upon you after following the examples you have set in your chosen field of study or commerce or engineering that you have researched and confirmed and others have found to be accurate.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Its not what you know, its what you do with it that counts.
Is it better to be an expert in one field or have a little knowledge in lots?"
See I tend to like the latter.. I am constantly learning.. not because I want to say.. oh I have this, I have that.. but because I like to learn.. Sometimes I dont bother with a proper qualification and just learn something..
It can be anything, but I just love to learn.. I will often read something someone has said and go read up on whatever it is.. Then bore Master or friends to death with all my new found " did you know" moments.
I think that you never stop learning... and that life experience is more important.
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it depends on the qualification and specialisation.
A lot of qualifications are quite general and cover a broad area so they arent going to make anyone a specialist.
However some are, certain doctorates and thesis that go with them would indeed make someone a "specialist" in a field.
So much like everything else in life its a huge grey area |
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"Its not what you know, its what you do with it that counts.
Is it better to be an expert in one field or have a little knowledge in lots?
See I tend to like the latter.. I am constantly learning.. not because I want to say.. oh I have this, I have that.. but because I like to learn.. Sometimes I dont bother with a proper qualification and just learn something..
It can be anything, but I just love to learn.. I will often read something someone has said and go read up on whatever it is.. Then bore Master or friends to death with all my new found " did you know" moments.
I think that you never stop learning... and that life experience is more important.
Cali "
I agree with you, i certainly wouldnt class myself as academic but certainly wouldnt class myself as stupid either. If i want to know something i look it up, unfortunatly for me my head is full of shit and nothing worth while. But for me the two most important qualities are common sense and life experience.
Jay is very knowledgable, but hes been around alot longer than me. I know a damn sight more than i did 20 years ago and hope to have learnt alot more in another 20 years.
Some people ae natural genies's for most people they have to learn with life. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" did Einstien have a masters or degree?
how about Newton?
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Newton held a Batchelors degree from Cambridge in 1605...
Einstein held a doctorate in 1905...;-);-)
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" did Einstien have a masters or degree?
how about Newton?
Newton held a Batchelors degree from Cambridge in 1605...
Einstein held a doctorate in 1905...;-);-)
Interesting"
Google is my friend...;-) |
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" did Einstien have a masters or degree?
how about Newton?
Newton held a Batchelors degree from Cambridge in 1605...
Einstein held a doctorate in 1905...;-);-)
Interesting"
Google is my friend...;-) |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" did Einstien have a masters or degree?
how about Newton?
Newton held a Batchelors degree from Cambridge in 1605...
Einstein held a doctorate in 1905...;-);-)
Interesting
Google is my friend...;-)"
But..... Google is my best friend. |
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By *ove2-shareCouple
over a year ago
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LOL this thread is so funny, cos it was started by someone who on another thread told someon to go educate himself, on a matter of history only to find out the person had a history PHD, He then claimed to have a history degree only to later admit it wasnt in history so there appears to be a bit of sour grapes here.
For the record though education,learning and expertise are not finite all or nothing things. If you have studied something and passed you hav demonstrated a competancy, much as a newly passed driver is deemed competant, in time they may develop more expertise but we never stop learning. And its the continued application to a subject that develops what many may call expertise but it can also be specialised and is rarely all encompassing.
For the record, I passed my degree with a high mark,but refused it, for complex reasons, part of which was that I studied to learn, not for an end product there is more to it but like i say its complex |
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By *ove2-shareCouple
over a year ago
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" did Einstien have a masters or degree?
how about Newton?
Newton held a Batchelors degree from Cambridge in 1605...
Einstein held a doctorate in 1905...;-);-)
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Interestingly much of Newtons best work was in his early years while he was still studying, ( he had to leave for the country when the uni had an outbreak of plague) Einstein was virtually out of the scientific world working in a patent office when he did his best work, Scientists tend to burn out quickly, or get staid by hanging around fellow experts. for some that break helps formulate ideas from a new perspective. Another great scientist Feynman used to enrol in new and differnt subjects every year where he lectured, as the fresh ideas and perspectives kept him sharp, he also prefered the ideas of students as they were more questioning,
In the end the true expert works using a good blend of practice and theory that is always in tension as you are always striving for more of one or the other (PRAXIS) |
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"LOL this thread is so funny, cos it was started by someone who on another thread told someon to go educate himself, on a matter of history only to find out the person had a history PHD, He then claimed to have a history degree only to later admit it wasnt in history so there appears to be a bit of sour grapes here."
No sour grapes here my dear.. and can I point out that as I sign off EVERY message as Cali, it shouldnt be to hard with someone with your intelligence to work out I am indeed a she.
It just came across that some people seem to see qualifications as something that makes them more important than others.
And I dont believe I ever explained what my qualifications are.. but they are long and extensive, and I actually only ever put the 3 essential ones on application forms.. as if you list to many your deemed to qualified.
My thoughts on this while prompted by a few of your comments just prompted a thought process, It happens a lot when I am conversing with someone.. that it makes me think about the reasoning's behind some others thought processes etc.
I think learning is something that you do all your life.. and I love to learn new things, ever since I was a little girl. I used to go sit at the British museum or the National history and ask questions of the experts. I would just read things, to learn more.
but to the poster I am replying to... There really are no sour grapes.... I have a life time of learning, that I intend to continue adding to. It does not make me better than anyone else..
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"For the record, I passed my degree with a high mark,but refused it, for complex reasons, part of which was that I studied to learn, not for an end product there is more to it but like i say its complex"
So there's no evidence that you have a degree?
I could claim I had several degrees, but refused them, and there would be no evidence of it.
I find myself asking why someone would study four long years for a degree only to refuse to accept it at the end. Was that your stated intention at the beginning of your studies? It's a very strange thing to do. |
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By *mcouple1Couple
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middle class / upper class utter rubbish .Honestly get it into perspective i could be a single parent with 5 kids because my partner had died. Havin no relatives to support us i could spend my life cleaning up colleges and universities in the middle of the night to feed my kids. yet i could have more ideas and understanding than some rich kid who can choose what to do. money buys choices. money breads arrogance . And to decline a degree is the ultimate show of snobbery |
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"LOL this thread is so funny, cos it was started by someone who on another thread told someon to go educate himself, on a matter of history only to find out the person had a history PHD, He then claimed to have a history degree only to later admit it wasnt in history so there appears to be a bit of sour grapes here.
For the record though education,learning and expertise are not finite all or nothing things. If you have studied something and passed you hav demonstrated a competancy, much as a newly passed driver is deemed competant, in time they may develop more expertise but we never stop learning. And its the continued application to a subject that develops what many may call expertise but it can also be specialised and is rarely all encompassing.
For the record, I passed my degree with a high mark,but refused it, for complex reasons, part of which was that I studied to learn, not for an end product there is more to it but like i say its complex"
Glanny she say - next time take paparrr that show you low awarrrd. Taking paparrr doesn't remove your learning it only spread umbrage ovarrrrr ego  |
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"middle class / upper class utter rubbish .Honestly get it into perspective i could be a single parent with 5 kids because my partner had died. Havin no relatives to support us i could spend my life cleaning up colleges and universities in the middle of the night to feed my kids. yet i could have more ideas and understanding than some rich kid who can choose what to do. money buys choices. money breads arrogance . And to decline a degree is the ultimate show of snobbery"
Inverted snobbery ? Thought that was done much less these days. |
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"Its not what you know, its what you do with it that counts.
Is it better to be an expert in one field or have a little knowledge in lots?"
Is this maths?
If you have an expert in one field and three in the other feild. Which one got feeled the most? |
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A qualification only means you have completed the course to a set standard, it does not mean you are any good at it.
There are many qualitied people running this country which is why its been in a mess for decades |
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By *waymanMan
over a year ago
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"Its not what you know, its what you do with it that counts.
Is it better to be an expert in one field or have a little knowledge in lots?
See I tend to like the latter.. I am constantly learning.. not because I want to say.. oh I have this, I have that.. but because I like to learn.. Sometimes I dont bother with a proper qualification and just learn something..
It can be anything, but I just love to learn.. I will often read something someone has said and go read up on whatever it is.. Then bore Master or friends to death with all my new found " did you know" moments.
I think that you never stop learning... and that life experience is more important.
Cali "
Your last sentence is great, until you need a lawyer, or a brain surgeon to remove a tumour. Then their life experience is totally irrelevant and all that matters is their expertise.
I am a subject matter expert in three seperate areas that I work in; in all three i have the four components of expertise - academic qualifications, demonstrable and verified competence, ongoing supervision and CPD, and assessed didactic skills - since the whole point of identifying SME's is that their role should be didactic, to transmit best practice and knowledge throughout the organization they are working in.
once you've got a definition of expert, then you can see that an academic qualification is never enough.
It's not really a new definition of expert either - it's no different to the rolde description of, say, a hospital consultant, a master tradesman or a university lecturer... |
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By *waymanMan
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"A qualification only means you have completed the course to a set standard, it does not mean you are any good at it.
There are many qualitied people running this country which is why its been in a mess for decades"
What exactly are Gideon and Dave qualified in? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I have a qualification it doesn't make me an expert, but I know what I'm talking about. Things change all the time so I don't think you can ever truly be Sn expert at anything. |
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Experts are not always right and do not always know the ins and outs of the subject of their qualification.
They know up to a set standard otherwise they would achieve the next level qualification which after all is the result of a test. |
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"Something to come from another thread.. Now I am one of these people who when I get bored, I get another qualification but also I am constantly learning about the world about me.
History and geology and palaeontology being 3 of my favourite subjects to learn about.
Leading to the fact I could now at adult education level teach 3 separate subjects.. Now I don't think that makes me an expert in any of these fields, just someone with a keen need to learn and educate myself further.
The one subject I have most qualifications in is human behaviour.. yet obviously what I know is only a drop in the ocean of what could be learnt. There is plenty that I don't know on this subject, and things are always being changed.
Yet I would say I knew more about a subject I hold no recognised qualification in, simply through experience and knowledge..
So I ask.. do qualifications mean your an expert in that field.. ???
I know for me that when I did psychology it was too broad a spectrum to cover it all.. and same with geology and history and music.
Cali "
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"Strange sense of humour you have to find that hilarious???  "
Read the last paragraph of OP..the notion you have to encompass the sum total of human knowledge on any given discipline in order to be considered an'expert' is clearly risible.
'Qualifying' as a consultant Oncologist requires six years of general medical education followed by at least six years of specialist training.By then, he/she will be considered an 'expert' certainly by lay people. What he/she will not be is an 'expert' in Tropical diseases!!
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By *ove2-shareCouple
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"For the record, I passed my degree with a high mark,but refused it, for complex reasons, part of which was that I studied to learn, not for an end product there is more to it but like i say its complex
So there's no evidence that you have a degree?
I could claim I had several degrees, but refused them, and there would be no evidence of it.
I find myself asking why someone would study four long years for a degree only to refuse to accept it at the end. Was that your stated intention at the beginning of your studies? It's a very strange thing to do."
to you maybe, and youll either have to take my word, doubt, or just forget whatever you decide, but to elaborate id have to explain what the degree that i did was which as its a rare one sort of gives more detail about me on a personal forum than i like, but like i say i dont have a degree I turned it down, and the act of doing so meant more to me than the award could ever have done, |
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By *ove2-shareCouple
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"LOL this thread is so funny, cos it was started by someone who on another thread told someon to go educate himself, on a matter of history only to find out the person had a history PHD, He then claimed to have a history degree only to later admit it wasnt in history so there appears to be a bit of sour grapes here.
No sour grapes here my dear.. and can I point out that as I sign off EVERY message as Cali, it shouldnt be to hard with someone with your intelligence to work out I am indeed a she.
It just came across that some people seem to see qualifications as something that makes them more important than others.
And I dont believe I ever explained what my qualifications are.. but they are long and extensive, and I actually only ever put the 3 essential ones on application forms.. as if you list to many your deemed to qualified.
My thoughts on this while prompted by a few of your comments just prompted a thought process, It happens a lot when I am conversing with someone.. that it makes me think about the reasoning's behind some others thought processes etc.
I think learning is something that you do all your life.. and I love to learn new things, ever since I was a little girl. I used to go sit at the British museum or the National history and ask questions of the experts. I would just read things, to learn more.
but to the poster I am replying to... There really are no sour grapes.... I have a life time of learning, that I intend to continue adding to. It does not make me better than anyone else..
Cali "
Sorry about the gender mix up, I never really the name Cali actually doesnt mean anything either way to me so i didnt realise. I actually agree with you completely on your attitude to lifelong learning too, education is a process not an end product the word itself means to draw out, which fits more with where i come from its about questioning, researching, discussing and teasing out new theories, not just a lumped qualification at the end, (this is all part of why i turned down the degree, it in itself meant nothing it was the.
processess of learning I loved)I appreciate too that you have studied more than came across, But I still feel that you started this thread in response to the previous one, and your dissatisfaction with how it turned out. |
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