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Shocked to hear Caroline Flack has been found dead. Her life had been turned upside down the last few months. Just a reminder to us all to talk to family, friends or anyone when you are in such a dark place. RIP |
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"Shocked to hear Caroline Flack has been found dead. Her life had been turned upside down the last few months. Just a reminder to us all to talk to family, friends or anyone when you are in such a dark place. RIP"
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"Shocked to hear Caroline Flack has been found dead. Her life had been turned upside down the last few months. Just a reminder to us all to talk to family, friends or anyone when you are in such a dark place. RIP"
Just seeing the news now. My goodness  God rest her soul |
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The keyboard bullys and nasty trolling didn't help the poor girl. The abuse she endured was horrendous. Ppl really need to think about the effect words have on ppl. Their words can be the final nail. It's unbelievably said to hear that she took her own life..  |
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The same people who relentlessly pursued her and spread her private life all over the new's,will be the same leading the tribute's. Who hasn't fucked up in life, no one deserves that. A beautiful looking girl,very sad end. |
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"The keyboard bullys and nasty trolling didn't help the poor girl. The abuse she endured was horrendous. Ppl really need to think about the effect words have on ppl. Their words can be the final nail. It's unbelievably said to hear that she took her own life.. "
The internet, social and written media can be wonderful tools but in the wrong hands they are lethal weapons.
Whether you're a celeb, a swinger on Fab or simply expressing an opinion on Twitter - you'll likely be at the end of these wrong hands at some stage, typing back some very nasty and vicious stuff that some may ignore but many may take to heart.
The Fab forumistas are lovely, genuine and respectful folk, but you all know too well that there are a lot of folk on Fab that can be very vicious and hurtful with their keyboards - which the ladies especially in here can bear testimony to.
Don't suffer in silence for God's sake. Don't engage with the trolls. The block, delete and report buttons are there for a reason
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"The keyboard bullys and nasty trolling didn't help the poor girl. The abuse she endured was horrendous. Ppl really need to think about the effect words have on ppl. Their words can be the final nail. It's unbelievably said to hear that she took her own life..
The internet, social and written media can be wonderful tools but in the wrong hands they are lethal weapons.
Whether you're a celeb, a swinger on Fab or simply expressing an opinion on Twitter - you'll likely be at the end of these wrong hands at some stage, typing back some very nasty and vicious stuff that some may ignore but many may take to heart.
The Fab forumistas are lovely, genuine and respectful folk, but you all know too well that there are a lot of folk on Fab that can be very vicious and hurtful with their keyboards - which the ladies especially in here can bear testimony to.
Don't suffer in silence for God's sake. Don't engage with the trolls. The block, delete and report buttons are there for a reason
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Unfortunately trolls will continue to sit behind their keyboards with no consideration for the person on the receiving end. It's not easy to take these comments if you are of a soft character, actually even a hardened person would be affected by hurtful comments. Some find it easier to brush off than others. It's important to everyone to be kind to others x |
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"Shocked to hear Caroline Flack has been found dead. Her life had been turned upside down the last few months. Just a reminder to us all to talk to family, friends or anyone when you are in such a dark place. RIP"
RIP , such a loss |
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"The love island presenter who beat their partner or something?"
yes that is correct, personally I don’t think that was her reason to take her life but the constant back lash from the papers and online trolling telling her to kill herself death threats etc a young woman who at the hands of social media and trolling took the only way out it’s so very sad
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By *oandFroCouple
over a year ago
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"The keyboard bullys and nasty trolling didn't help the poor girl. The abuse she endured was horrendous. Ppl really need to think about the effect words have on ppl. Their words can be the final nail. It's unbelievably said to hear that she took her own life.. "
So well said. X you never know what people are going through and the effect of words. Xx |
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"That's the 3rd love island suicide."
Expect many more suicides its the most facile program on tv..it only focuses on whats on the outside not whats in..the contestants are all glam the picture of perfection but inside they are tragic young and impressionable  |
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By *omtom7Man
over a year ago
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This unfortunately is the modern world, built up for no reason and put on a pedestal , knocked down for no reason and vilified. Some people can deal with some can't and unfortunately this poor girl saw no way out. |
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Strange, when I complained about someone being bullied for saying their religious belief that being gay was wrong, the consensus on here was that it was right that they be bullied and lose their job.
When I complained about a teenager commiting suicide, at the time of the abortion referendum. The teen used the same excuse as abortionists, that it was their body and they had a right to do it. The consensus on here was that they did have a right to take their own life.
This is the problem when you run around forming oppinions like maud flanders in the simpsons "SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN", using appeals to emotions and false fallacy arguments to form opinions. This is the reality of what most people on this forum want. Bullying and sucicide.
I mean it sucks its someone you like this time, and that they were pretty. I mean that really is sad. But you should all try and stick to your beliefs a bit better. Stop all changing your opinions at every sob story you hear, have a bit of backbone.
I know for a fact that I am one of the few anti suicide/Anti bullying people on here. I got hounded over it.
For the rest of you, this is just the reality of your core beliefs coming to fruition on someone you liked. |
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"Strange, when I complained about someone being bullied for saying their religious belief that being gay was wrong, the consensus on here was that it was right that they be bullied and lose their job.
When I complained about a teenager commiting suicide, at the time of the abortion referendum. The teen used the same excuse as abortionists, that it was their body and they had a right to do it. The consensus on here was that they did have a right to take their own life.
This is the problem when you run around forming oppinions like maud flanders in the simpsons "SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN", using appeals to emotions and false fallacy arguments to form opinions. This is the reality of what most people on this forum want. Bullying and sucicide.
I mean it sucks its someone you like this time, and that they were pretty. I mean that really is sad. But you should all try and stick to your beliefs a bit better. Stop all changing your opinions at every sob story you hear, have a bit of backbone.
I know for a fact that I am one of the few anti suicide/Anti bullying people on here. I got hounded over it.
For the rest of you, this is just the reality of your core beliefs coming to fruition on someone you liked."
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
That's regardless of whether others agree with it or not.
Expressing it should also not result in ridicule but reasoned debate may ensue.
I didn't realise that she had taken her own life but had heard she had been in America in a wellness retreat. I'd love to know the name of that place, just to insure that I never spend the thousands it probably cost on nothing of benefit to me 
Sad she's gone but I don't watch crap tv, so I don't know her. Sad is for her family, not me. |
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By *kd2019Man
over a year ago
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"Shocked to hear Caroline Flack has been found dead. Her life had been turned upside down the last few months. Just a reminder to us all to talk to family, friends or anyone when you are in such a dark place. RIP"
very sad she had everything a person could want in life I was down that depressed road it’s a dark place I wish I could of been there to talk her out of it there’s always light at the end of the tunnel everything takes time it’s not right what happened there
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Im sorry to sound so heartless but i find it very hard to have any sympathy for her i do however feel for her family they are the ones left behind having to deal with everything i just think people take the easy way out i think suicide is so selfish we have all been in some very dark places but we fight through it to me she took the easy way out because she was due to stand trial on assault charges and couldnt face the thought of going to jail if you are going to be in the public eye and enjoy all the things that come from that you cant complain when it all starts to go wrong if she was a normal person like you and i would we be getting the same amount of publicity i think not |
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"Im sorry to sound so heartless but i find it very hard to have any sympathy for her i do however feel for her family they are the ones left behind having to deal with everything i just think people take the easy way out i think suicide is so selfish we have all been in some very dark places but we fight through it to me she took the easy way out because she was due to stand trial on assault charges and couldnt face the thought of going to jail if you are going to be in the public eye and enjoy all the things that come from that you cant complain when it all starts to go wrong if she was a normal person like you and i would we be getting the same amount of publicity i think not "
You're as entitled to your opinion as anyone and I shall respect it. However, being at a point in your life when you feel there is no other way out is an extremely dark, horrible, lonesome place. Not everyone is strong enough to fight through it. While I respect your opinion,I have to disagree with your comment saying people who take their own lives are selfish. What a sweeping statement to make. We have not been in their heads so have no idea what they're feeling.
And of course, if it was any of us, there wouldn't be as much publicity. None of us are on TV (that I know of). |
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So you think its not selfish to take your own life and leave small children etc without a parent or family members without answers as too why lets just hope it never happens to you and yes i am entitled to my opinion as it is a public forum |
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"So you think its not selfish to take your own life and leave small children etc without a parent or family members without answers as too why lets just hope it never happens to you and yes i am entitled to my opinion as it is a public forum "
It certainly does leave family & friends with questions to answer. I have been one of those family members & friends. But no way would I ever consider David selfish. Am I angry that he didn't/couldn't talk to me? Yes. Hurt? Yes. Do I wish I could go back in time? Yes. Do I ever think he's selfish? No.
I'm well aware it's a public forum. I'm not sure I argued that you WEREN'T entitled to your opinion  And just like you, I too, am entitled to my opinion |
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"...i just think people take the easy way out i think suicide is so selfish we have all been in some very dark places but we fight through it to me she took the easy way out...
So you think its not selfish to take your own life and leave small children etc without a parent or family members without answers as too why lets just hope it never happens to you and yes i am entitled to my opinion as it is a public forum "
I don't wish to sound rude but this viewpoint is one that only serves to reinforce the stigma around mental illness, which I believe is prevalent to this instance.
To dismiss a person's state of mind who may be suffering from mental illness as something that "we all go through but fight past" is akin to telling a person who has lost their leg that you once had a paper cut but survived. It truly is a case of "if you haven't experienced it, you don't know".
Also, to say it's "selfish" to take your own life implies that the person was of a certain logical state of mind to weigh up their 'options'. That's not the case. They are not drawing up a list of the pros and cons and making a measured decision.
In some cases they may view their own self worth as so meaningless that they perhaps see it as an act of kindness to those in their life.
It's also certainly not "an easy way out", to go against survival instincts that stem from the root of evolution in an instant must surely show the fragile and illogical state a person is in.
Which is why I personally believe declarations of selfishness are harmful, especially when you consider the overwhelming amount of people who suffer a form of mental illness who may come across such a viewpoint; even on here, it doesn't discriminate. Hearing such a thing could only reinforce their self-loathing and lack of self-worth.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, of course, but that doesn't necessarily mean we have to voice them. Just my two cents. |
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"...i just think people take the easy way out i think suicide is so selfish we have all been in some very dark places but we fight through it to me she took the easy way out...
So you think its not selfish to take your own life and leave small children etc without a parent or family members without answers as too why lets just hope it never happens to you and yes i am entitled to my opinion as it is a public forum
I don't wish to sound rude but this viewpoint is one that only serves to reinforce the stigma around mental illness, which I believe is prevalent to this instance.
To dismiss a person's state of mind who may be suffering from mental illness as something that "we all go through but fight past" is akin to telling a person who has lost their leg that you once had a paper cut but survived. It truly is a case of "if you haven't experienced it, you don't know".
Also, to say it's "selfish" to take your own life implies that the person was of a certain logical state of mind to weigh up their 'options'. That's not the case. They are not drawing up a list of the pros and cons and making a measured decision.
In some cases they may view their own self worth as so meaningless that they perhaps see it as an act of kindness to those in their life.
It's also certainly not "an easy way out", to go against survival instincts that stem from the root of evolution in an instant must surely show the fragile and illogical state a person is in.
Which is why I personally believe declarations of selfishness are harmful, especially when you consider the overwhelming amount of people who suffer a form of mental illness who may come across such a viewpoint; even on here, it doesn't discriminate. Hearing such a thing could only reinforce their self-loathing and lack of self-worth.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, of course, but that doesn't necessarily mean we have to voice them. Just my two cents. "
Well said Pete Panther  |
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Everyone is entitled to an opinion, of course, but that doesn't necessarily mean we have to voice them. Just my two cents. "
That’s a fair and valid point Pete, which is why I’m keeping my opinion to myself, not in regards to suicide but domestic abuse (being the recipient of such a thing many years ago)
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"...i just think people take the easy way out i think suicide is so selfish we have all been in some very dark places but we fight through it to me she took the easy way out...
So you think its not selfish to take your own life and leave small children etc without a parent or family members without answers as too why lets just hope it never happens to you and yes i am entitled to my opinion as it is a public forum
I don't wish to sound rude but this viewpoint is one that only serves to reinforce the stigma around mental illness, which I believe is prevalent to this instance.
To dismiss a person's state of mind who may be suffering from mental illness as something that "we all go through but fight past" is akin to telling a person who has lost their leg that you once had a paper cut but survived. It truly is a case of "if you haven't experienced it, you don't know".
Also, to say it's "selfish" to take your own life implies that the person was of a certain logical state of mind to weigh up their 'options'. That's not the case. They are not drawing up a list of the pros and cons and making a measured decision.
In some cases they may view their own self worth as so meaningless that they perhaps see it as an act of kindness to those in their life.
It's also certainly not "an easy way out", to go against survival instincts that stem from the root of evolution in an instant must surely show the fragile and illogical state a person is in.
Which is why I personally believe declarations of selfishness are harmful, especially when you consider the overwhelming amount of people who suffer a form of mental illness who may come across such a viewpoint; even on here, it doesn't discriminate. Hearing such a thing could only reinforce their self-loathing and lack of self-worth.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, of course, but that doesn't necessarily mean we have to voice them. Just my two cents. "
Well said x |
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"The love island presenter who beat their partner or something?"
I always respect your different point of view on forums but today I'm really wondering what your trying to say? |
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"The love island presenter who beat their partner or something?
I always respect your different point of view on forums but today I'm really wondering what your trying to say? "
He’s not trying to say anything, just stating a fact.
She received notification on Friday that CPS (Crown Prosecution Service) have enough evidence for her charge to got to trial |
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In every walk of Life , females have trolls...My 14 yr old daughter to contestant on a talent show to up and coming Model, TV Personality to Super Model, all female...all say they experience hatred on line from trolls.
I'll put my head on the Block here now.... very few fellas are trolls...most trolling is by females.
Bitches are bitches.
Can I ask...do fellas troll girls??
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"In every walk of Life , females have trolls...My 14 yr old daughter to contestant on a talent show to up and coming Model, TV Personality to Super Model, all female...all say they experience hatred on line from trolls.
I'll put my head on the Block here now.... very few fellas are trolls...most trolling is by females.
Bitches are bitches.
Can I ask...do fellas troll girls??
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Yes I received serious disturbing trolls on here for no reason whatsoever in the past, even death threats from 2 men |
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"In every walk of Life , females have trolls...My 14 yr old daughter to contestant on a talent show to up and coming Model, TV Personality to Super Model, all female...all say they experience hatred on line from trolls.
I'll put my head on the Block here now.... very few fellas are trolls...most trolling is by females.
Bitches are bitches.
Can I ask...do fellas troll girls??
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Men and women are guilty of it. Have been subjected to awful abuse by guys on here. Threatened, called hurtful and spiteful names, comments about my weight etc by men. One guy had threatened to share my pics with family after we had been chatting for weeks.
So can't say women are more guilty of it than men.
At end of day we all need to stand up to them and stop them and be kind to each other. |
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"The love island presenter who beat their partner or something?
I always respect your different point of view on forums but today I'm really wondering what your trying to say?
He’s not trying to say anything, just stating a fact.
She received notification on Friday that CPS (Crown Prosecution Service) have enough evidence for her charge to got to trial"
Look its extremely sad that anyone should feel it's the only way out, regardless of who it is.
I do think if it was her fellas that was being brought before the courts (for the accusations)and he took his own life, do you think people would be so sympathetic? I think not!
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RIP Caroline Flack. A shame the amount of trolling abuse the media and keyboard warriors sent her way.
When I think of it there’s are an awful lot of male/female nasty keyboard warriors on Fab that need to have a real look at themselves in the mirror. |
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RIP Caroline Flack. Even in death , heartless people are pissing over your grave. Condolences and sympathy to you and your family and friends. I always thought that the decent thing to do was to show your humanity when people have passed away . Not to attack them because they committed suicide and call them names . Tells you a lot about people on here. |
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All the talk of domestic abuse she had a fight with her fella the neighbour's rang the police. Even he has said she didn't hit him with anything, he was a witness not prosecuting. The blood was her own. Read the fact's. Regardless the girl is dead and the online and public shameing had to have taken it's toll. |
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"All the talk of domestic abuse she had a fight with her fella the neighbour's rang the police. Even he has said she didn't hit him with anything, he was a witness not prosecuting. The blood was her own. Read the fact's. Regardless the girl is dead and the online and public shameing had to have taken it's toll. "
Exactly this |
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I only know Caroline Flack from T.V. and news reports.
That means I don't know her at all.
One thing I think I do know is that you can blame media all you like but in my mind they can't ignite what isn't already there.
I liked her and hope she is now at peace. |
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"I only know Caroline Flack from T.V. and news reports.
That means I don't know her at all.
One thing I think I do know is that you can blame media all you like but in my mind they can't ignite what isn't already there.
I liked her and hope she is now at peace. "
Who reads the papers?
Media only put up what people want to read. |
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"I only know Caroline Flack from T.V. and news reports.
That means I don't know her at all.
One thing I think I do know is that you can blame media all you like but in my mind they can't ignite what isn't already there.
I liked her and hope she is now at peace.
Who reads the papers?
Media only put up what people want to read. "
Unfortunately that is true |
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"All the talk of domestic abuse she had a fight with her fella the neighbour's rang the police. Even he has said she didn't hit him with anything, he was a witness not prosecuting. The blood was her own. Read the fact's. Regardless the girl is dead and the online and public shameing had to have taken it's toll. "
This |
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Poor caroline flack and all her "friends" in the industry coming out with their be kind posts to make themselves feel better than the fact that they were too busy with their own importance to be there for her when she needed them most. I'm all for spreading awareness on mental health but dont offer life advice to appease your own conscience and the fact that you distanced yourself from your "friend" to avoid being guilty by association in the media spotlight. The press the media and social media have a lot to answer for in the epidemic that is suicide and mental health issues in this country. Trust me most people on your social media are not "living their best lives" it's all a front for acceptance.
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"All the talk of domestic abuse she had a fight with her fella the neighbour's rang the police. Even he has said she didn't hit him with anything, he was a witness not prosecuting. The blood was her own. Read the fact's. Regardless the girl is dead and the online and public shameing had to have taken it's toll.
This "
The prosecutor in the case Katie Weiss said of Burton: “He is a victim – he sustained a significant injury to his head.”
In reference to Burton’s 999 call, Ms Weiss said: “He is almost begging the operator to send help.”
She continued: “Both were covered in blood and in fact one of the police officers likened the scene to a horror movie.
He said he had been asleep and was hit over the head by Caroline with a lamp, causing a visible cut to his head.
Weiss added: “She had also smashed a glass and she had sustained an injury.
“Mr Burton said he believed the assault occurred as a result of the defendant taking his phone while he was sleeping… she had seen text messages leading her to believe that he was cheating on her.”
In such cases here and In the UK the courts are rightly obliged to consider the evidence put to them. We scream and roar every time we see a media report about spousal/ partner abuse and this is what she stood accused of. It's tragic from beginning to end but the mind boggles when people attack the courts role in this based o the reports of police on the scene that night. Both lied to prevent a possible conviction. I don't care much for social media society in general so I won't comment on that side of it but to say that we as a society should turn a blind eye to domestic abuse in any situation is dangerous. |
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over a year ago
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Very, very sad, she certainly didn't deserve to be this unhappy........but all these 'close friends' coming out of the woodwork finger pointing, where were you. People in the know knew she was in a dark place and yet no-one appeared to be there for her at the time she needed it most. |
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"Very, very sad, she certainly didn't deserve to be this unhappy........but all these 'close friends' coming out of the woodwork finger pointing, where were you. People in the know knew she was in a dark place and yet no-one appeared to be there for her at the time she needed it most. "
And thus a vicious circle! |
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"All the talk of domestic abuse she had a fight with her fella the neighbour's rang the police. Even he has said she didn't hit him with anything, he was a witness not prosecuting. The blood was her own. Read the fact's. Regardless the girl is dead and the online and public shameing had to have taken it's toll.
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The prosecutor in the case Katie Weiss said of Burton: “He is a victim – he sustained a significant injury to his head.”
In reference to Burton’s 999 call, Ms Weiss said: “He is almost begging the operator to send help.”
She continued: “Both were covered in blood and in fact one of the police officers likened the scene to a horror movie.
He said he had been asleep and was hit over the head by Caroline with a lamp, causing a visible cut to his head.
Weiss added: “She had also smashed a glass and she had sustained an injury.
“Mr Burton said he believed the assault occurred as a result of the defendant taking his phone while he was sleeping… she had seen text messages leading her to believe that he was cheating on her.”
In such cases here and In the UK the courts are rightly obliged to consider the evidence put to them. We scream and roar every time we see a media report about spousal/ partner abuse and this is what she stood accused of. It's tragic from beginning to end but the mind boggles when people attack the courts role in this based o the reports of police on the scene that night. Both lied to prevent a possible conviction. I don't care much for social media society in general so I won't comment on that side of it but to say that we as a society should turn a blind eye to domestic abuse in any situation is dangerous. "
I agree with this, and as for her partner insisting there was no assault, that's not exactly an uncommon stance for an abuse victim to take. We don't know the facts but it appears the CPS felt there was sufficient evidence to pursue a case. That is all aside from the issue of hounding in social media and the press. There's also a danger of regarding a female aggressor as "troubled", while a male one is invariably branded a "vicious brute". Regardless of gender or fame, all cases should be treated equally by a justice system. |
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"Very, very sad, she certainly didn't deserve to be this unhappy........but all these 'close friends' coming out of the woodwork finger pointing, where were you. People in the know knew she was in a dark place and yet no-one appeared to be there for her at the time she needed it most. "
It's most unfair to imply that anyone is responsible for failing to save a person from self - harm. |
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"All the talk of domestic abuse she had a fight with her fella the neighbour's rang the police. Even he has said she didn't hit him with anything, he was a witness not prosecuting. The blood was her own. Read the fact's. Regardless the girl is dead and the online and public shameing had to have taken it's toll.
This
The prosecutor in the case Katie Weiss said of Burton: “He is a victim – he sustained a significant injury to his head.”
In reference to Burton’s 999 call, Ms Weiss said: “He is almost begging the operator to send help.”
She continued: “Both were covered in blood and in fact one of the police officers likened the scene to a horror movie.
He said he had been asleep and was hit over the head by Caroline with a lamp, causing a visible cut to his head.
Weiss added: “She had also smashed a glass and she had sustained an injury.
“Mr Burton said he believed the assault occurred as a result of the defendant taking his phone while he was sleeping… she had seen text messages leading her to believe that he was cheating on her.”
In such cases here and In the UK the courts are rightly obliged to consider the evidence put to them. We scream and roar every time we see a media report about spousal/ partner abuse and this is what she stood accused of. It's tragic from beginning to end but the mind boggles when people attack the courts role in this based o the reports of police on the scene that night. Both lied to prevent a possible conviction. I don't care much for social media society in general so I won't comment on that side of it but to say that we as a society should turn a blind eye to domestic abuse in any situation is dangerous. "
Where did I say that??? Don't put word's in my mouth that I didn't say. I did not mention turning a blind eye. The man himself did not want to press charges and stated she never hit him over the head..they had a fight no one denied that. But to put it in the same category as domestic abuse is an insult to domestic abuse survivor's imo. She was made an example of by the court if you ask me and was treated much worse then she should have been considering the charge. If you read my comment further up I blamed the media as well as bullies. Not the court |
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"All the talk of domestic abuse she had a fight with her fella the neighbour's rang the police. Even he has said she didn't hit him with anything, he was a witness not prosecuting. The blood was her own. Read the fact's. Regardless the girl is dead and the online and public shameing had to have taken it's toll.
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The prosecutor in the case Katie Weiss said of Burton: “He is a victim – he sustained a significant injury to his head.”
In reference to Burton’s 999 call, Ms Weiss said: “He is almost begging the operator to send help.”
She continued: “Both were covered in blood and in fact one of the police officers likened the scene to a horror movie.
He said he had been asleep and was hit over the head by Caroline with a lamp, causing a visible cut to his head.
Weiss added: “She had also smashed a glass and she had sustained an injury.
“Mr Burton said he believed the assault occurred as a result of the defendant taking his phone while he was sleeping… she had seen text messages leading her to believe that he was cheating on her.”
In such cases here and In the UK the courts are rightly obliged to consider the evidence put to them. We scream and roar every time we see a media report about spousal/ partner abuse and this is what she stood accused of. It's tragic from beginning to end but the mind boggles when people attack the courts role in this based o the reports of police on the scene that night. Both lied to prevent a possible conviction. I don't care much for social media society in general so I won't comment on that side of it but to say that we as a society should turn a blind eye to domestic abuse in any situation is dangerous.
Where did I say that??? Don't put word's in my mouth that I didn't say. I did not mention turning a blind eye. The man himself did not want to press charges and stated she never hit him over the head..they had a fight no one denied that. But to put it in the same category as domestic abuse is an insult to domestic abuse survivor's imo. She was made an example of by the court if you ask me and was treated much worse then she should have been considering the charge. If you read my comment further up I blamed the media as well as bullies. Not the court"
What you and i say in relation to the court case is here is irrelevant. The facts being put forward by the prosecutors state an assault resulting in a head wound took place. So you don't believe hitting a partner over the head causing a substantial head wound and blood loss (As confirmed by the officers on the scence) is domestic abuse. If not could you clarify what category that falls into |
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"All the talk of domestic abuse she had a fight with her fella the neighbour's rang the police. Even he has said she didn't hit him with anything, he was a witness not prosecuting. The blood was her own. Read the fact's. Regardless the girl is dead and the online and public shameing had to have taken it's toll.
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The prosecutor in the case Katie Weiss said of Burton: “He is a victim – he sustained a significant injury to his head.”
In reference to Burton’s 999 call, Ms Weiss said: “He is almost begging the operator to send help.”
She continued: “Both were covered in blood and in fact one of the police officers likened the scene to a horror movie.
He said he had been asleep and was hit over the head by Caroline with a lamp, causing a visible cut to his head.
Weiss added: “She had also smashed a glass and she had sustained an injury.
“Mr Burton said he believed the assault occurred as a result of the defendant taking his phone while he was sleeping… she had seen text messages leading her to believe that he was cheating on her.”
In such cases here and In the UK the courts are rightly obliged to consider the evidence put to them. We scream and roar every time we see a media report about spousal/ partner abuse and this is what she stood accused of. It's tragic from beginning to end but the mind boggles when people attack the courts role in this based o the reports of police on the scene that night. Both lied to prevent a possible conviction. I don't care much for social media society in general so I won't comment on that side of it but to say that we as a society should turn a blind eye to domestic abuse in any situation is dangerous.
Where did I say that??? Don't put word's in my mouth that I didn't say. I did not mention turning a blind eye. The man himself did not want to press charges and stated she never hit him over the head..they had a fight no one denied that. But to put it in the same category as domestic abuse is an insult to domestic abuse survivor's imo. She was made an example of by the court if you ask me and was treated much worse then she should have been considering the charge. If you read my comment further up I blamed the media as well as bullies. Not the court
What you and i say in relation to the court case is here is irrelevant. The facts being put forward by the prosecutors state an assault resulting in a head wound took place. So you don't believe hitting a partner over the head causing a substantial head wound and blood loss (As confirmed by the officers on the scence) is domestic abuse. If not could you clarify what category that falls into "
Well according to the only other person there at that exact time this never happened. None of us know what went on in their private life, but the fact he was denying it and appearing as a witness says alot. Regardless of any of that it was the reaction of the tabloids after this made it so much worse. Maybe she did do it or maybe they both fought. No one will ever know now what happened because the trial didnt go ahead, despite that the girl didn't desearve the abuse she got or too lose her life for something that could have been sorted out |
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The sad thing about this is regardless of what you think of Caroline Flack and what she did r didnt do.
People speak in this hatefull way online everyday to each other.
She wad clearly a troubled woman but I have to agree with a few of the posters above had she been a man then the attitude to some of her behaviour would be alot different. |
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"The sad thing about this is regardless of what you think of Caroline Flack and what she did r didnt do.
People speak in this hatefull way online everyday to each other.
She wad clearly a troubled woman but I have to agree with a few of the posters above had she been a man then the attitude to some of her behaviour would be alot different."
Yes but in the current sad situation does it really NEED to be said. |
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Another young live gone it's truly disturbing how many young men and women are taking their own lives I'm in a group called tough enough to care on a social media site it's great for when your low and always people to talk to including myself |
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Personally I think this thread should be closed due to some of the inappropriate, insensitive comments at her passing, whatever the circumstances. She has died and her family are in shock and grief . Yet even here, people are on their high horse. Mods - please close the thread |
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"The sad thing about this is regardless of what you think of Caroline Flack and what she did r didnt do.
People speak in this hatefull way online everyday to each other.
She wad clearly a troubled woman but I have to agree with a few of the posters above had she been a man then the attitude to some of her behaviour would be alot different.
Yes but in the current sad situation does it really NEED to be said. "
I think the conversation is a valid one if its can be kept respectful.
I think it can be a very dangerous thing when the mourning of celebrities(its not just a gender thing) ignores the more complexities of their past actions.
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My opinion would be the same if it was a man or a woman. I wouldn't wish no one to feel so low because of one incident,that they felt they had no other option's but to kill themselves. Even if it was the worse thing they ever did, people can get help and change. Long term repeated abuse is a different story |
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Don't you think the conversation should be around the uses of social media and how it affects people. Not on what she was accused of. As far as I know there was no court case yet but she is presumed guilty by a lot of people in advance. |
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"Very, very sad, she certainly didn't deserve to be this unhappy........but all these 'close friends' coming out of the woodwork finger pointing, where were you. People in the know knew she was in a dark place and yet no-one appeared to be there for her at the time she needed it most.
It's most unfair to imply that anyone is responsible for failing to save a person from self - harm. "
I don't agree, the people who could have helped are being very vocal blaming other people. Look at yourself before blaming elsewhere. |
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"Don't you think the conversation should be around the uses of social media and how it affects people. Not on what she was accused of. As far as I know there was no court case yet but she is presumed guilty by a lot of people in advance. "
I think conversations about social media and their affects are quite prevelant to be honest, yes more should be done to shut down the vile abuse people suffer online.
I still think its valid to remember people for the sum of their actions.
I dont think its healthy for young people to see celebrities lives whitewashed because they died tragically. See Kobe Bryant for another example.
The people dont need to be vilified by any means but a balanced discussion is not harmful in my opinion |
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"Very, very sad, she certainly didn't deserve to be this unhappy........but all these 'close friends' coming out of the woodwork finger pointing, where were you. People in the know knew she was in a dark place and yet no-one appeared to be there for her at the time she needed it most.
It's most unfair to imply that anyone is responsible for failing to save a person from self - harm. I don't agree, the people who could have helped are being very vocal blaming other people. Look at yourself before blaming elsewhere. "
So you think it's fine to add blame to the grief people may be suffering? What of their mental health? |
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"All the talk of domestic abuse she had a fight with her fella the neighbour's rang the police. Even he has said she didn't hit him with anything, he was a witness not prosecuting. The blood was her own. Read the fact's. Regardless the girl is dead and the online and public shameing had to have taken it's toll.
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The prosecutor in the case Katie Weiss said of Burton: “He is a victim – he sustained a significant injury to his head.”
In reference to Burton’s 999 call, Ms Weiss said: “He is almost begging the operator to send help.”
She continued: “Both were covered in blood and in fact one of the police officers likened the scene to a horror movie.
He said he had been asleep and was hit over the head by Caroline with a lamp, causing a visible cut to his head.
Weiss added: “She had also smashed a glass and she had sustained an injury.
“Mr Burton said he believed the assault occurred as a result of the defendant taking his phone while he was sleeping… she had seen text messages leading her to believe that he was cheating on her.”
In such cases here and In the UK the courts are rightly obliged to consider the evidence put to them. We scream and roar every time we see a media report about spousal/ partner abuse and this is what she stood accused of. It's tragic from beginning to end but the mind boggles when people attack the courts role in this based o the reports of police on the scene that night. Both lied to prevent a possible conviction. I don't care much for social media society in general so I won't comment on that side of it but to say that we as a society should turn a blind eye to domestic abuse in any situation is dangerous.
Where did I say that??? Don't put word's in my mouth that I didn't say. I did not mention turning a blind eye. The man himself did not want to press charges and stated she never hit him over the head..they had a fight no one denied that. But to put it in the same category as domestic abuse is an insult to domestic abuse survivor's imo. She was made an example of by the court if you ask me and was treated much worse then she should have been considering the charge. If you read my comment further up I blamed the media as well as bullies. Not the court
What you and i say in relation to the court case is here is irrelevant. The facts being put forward by the prosecutors state an assault resulting in a head wound took place. So you don't believe hitting a partner over the head causing a substantial head wound and blood loss (As confirmed by the officers on the scence) is domestic abuse. If not could you clarify what category that falls into "
I fully agree with you there...
It was the ‘victim’ who made the initial report to the police, who then retracted his statement later only to find that the complaint had been passed on to the CPS who found there was substantial grounds for prosecution.
Although I can understand there are two sides to the coin and because of who she was and has a massive fan base, a life has been lost due to pressure, whether it was media attention or not, but would it be any different if it was a Male ‘celebrity’?.... I think so.
Either way, RIP
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"Don't you think the conversation should be around the uses of social media and how it affects people. Not on what she was accused of. As far as I know there was no court case yet but she is presumed guilty by a lot of people in advance.
I think conversations about social media and their affects are quite prevelant to be honest, yes more should be done to shut down the vile abuse people suffer online.
I still think its valid to remember people for the sum of their actions.
I dont think its healthy for young people to see celebrities lives whitewashed because they died tragically. See Kobe Bryant for another example.
The people dont need to be vilified by any means but a balanced discussion is not harmful in my opinion"
I'm looking at it from another perspective from the familes side. I don't think there needs to be a balanced discussion online of their supposedly wrong doing before they are found guilty or not in a court of law.
For years part of the grieving process is reading the kind words written about your departed loved one. Lately this has moved to social media. I know personally parents this has brought great comfort too reading all the lovely comments.
The way some people speak is not respectful and I think thought should be given to parents. Let them grieve in peace without their daughters death being used as part of a balanced conversation.
It's about respect. |
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I'm looking at it from another perspective from the familes side. I don't think there needs to be a balanced discussion online of their supposedly wrong doing before they are found guilty or not in a court of law.
For years part of the grieving process is reading the kind words written about your departed loved one. Lately this has moved to social media. I know personally parents this has brought great comfort too reading all the lovely comments.
The way some people speak is not respectful and I think thought should be given to parents. Let them grieve in peace without their daughters death being used as part of a balanced conversation.
It's about respect. "
I do take your point that her friends and family wont care about the impact of celebrity culture in their grief.
I do still think there is a genuine conversation to be had around events like this. But where and when they happen is important.
On that note Ill leave my contribution at that |
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"My opinion would be the same if it was a man or a woman. I wouldn't wish no one to feel so low because of one incident,that they felt they had no other option's but to kill themselves. Even if it was the worse thing they ever did, people can get help and change. Long term repeated abuse is a different story"
All abuse starts somewhere, you or I will never no what really happened. Remember their are 3 sides to every story, his side her side and the actual truth.
The media has alot to answer for, they hound people! Play judge and jury from assumptions or interviews with "close friends".
No one can assume that she hasn't done something like that before, as a man that was struck a number of times by an Ex no one would ever think she would or that I'd take it. First time I put down to alcohol second time my bags were packed and I walked!
We all know people can be Angel's in the street but a complete different person behind closed doors, as many people commenting have been victims or know victims of domestic abuse physically and mentally that end up with the victim becoming depressed or suicidal.
We all agree I'm sure its extremely sad that she seen the only way out as suicide. I just hope that with all the press on people needing help can see the avenues for help and support. |
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I do agree with you to an extent..but my whole point was she was judged found guilty and punished by the media and public before it got to court. IF she did do it she desearved to face the court and whatever punishment they gave..not the way it played out in the public eye. |
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was on faceache earlier and people were getting hysterical about social media.when i commented that half the peeps who are beating there chests about it all will in a few weeks be eating up the gossip about someone else and putting another celeb on a pedestal. and all rthat goes with it was called a scumbag and hope i died and this from people who a cpl of posts earlier were saying be kind to people. dont think i wqs being a scumbag just looking at it realistickly that the press and gossip kags will still print the crap because millions will still eat it up.including lots who are saying how terrible it all is |
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Exactly this ! Couldn’t of worded it better myself ... I’m disgusted that people think it’s selfish ... I just hope they never suffer the darkness that some suffer & therefore feels no other option to take ..... R.I.P Caroline ... and all who have left us this way ... ( I never post in forums .. but some comments here have left me dumbfounded with their small mindedness ! ) |
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"I meant “ exactly this “ ... regarding Pete panthers statement ..... btw .. I’m not used to commenting on these forums .. "
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"I meant “ exactly this “ ... regarding Pete panthers statement ..... btw .. I’m not used to commenting on these forums ..
Hit reply and quote under the comment you want to reference.
To be fair Petes comments in general should just come with an exactly this reply button"
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R.I.P Caroline and hope you have found peace.
Sometimes irony and death go hand in hand!
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