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"V well said,the amount of younger people I've spoken to who voted SF who when I mention these facts say"oh didn't know that " and what did you make of the TD singing up the RA" oh that was Just a throw away remark"and "SF have no connection to the IRA" ..and these are intelligent young people, its bizarre " I don't think are many FF FG people with blood on their hands. That happened nearly 100yrs ago. | |||
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"V well said,the amount of younger people I've spoken to who voted SF who when I mention these facts say"oh didn't know that " and what did you make of the TD singing up the RA" oh that was Just a throw away remark"and "SF have no connection to the IRA" ..and these are intelligent young people, its bizarre " A wise man once said; We accumulate our opinions at an age when our understanding is at its weakest. -Georg C. Lichtenberg (1742-1799) Appears to be as true today as it was back then | |||
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"V well said,the amount of younger people I've spoken to who voted SF who when I mention these facts say"oh didn't know that " and what did you make of the TD singing up the RA" oh that was Just a throw away remark"and "SF have no connection to the IRA" ..and these are intelligent young people, its bizarre I don't think are many FF FG people with blood on their hands. That happened nearly 100yrs ago. " look up your recent history about The ira | |||
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"It's as simple as this... The people have spoken and they want change. I say let them in power and see what they can do they surely can't be any worse than the previous shower in charge who bankrupted the country. It's also worth remembering that the atrocities were carried out at a time of war and the British govt have as much if not more blood on their hands but you don't hear anyone harping on about that do you? One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Things have moved on stop dragging us back to the past. "   | |||
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"It's as simple as this... The people have spoken and they want change. I say let them in power and see what they can do they surely can't be any worse than the previous shower in charge who bankrupted the country. It's also worth remembering that the atrocities were carried out at a time of war and the British govt have as much if not more blood on their hands but you don't hear anyone harping on about that do you? One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Things have moved on stop dragging us back to the past. " | |||
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"It's as simple as this... The people have spoken and they want change. I say let them in power and see what they can do they surely can't be any worse than the previous shower in charge who bankrupted the country. It's also worth remembering that the atrocities were carried out at a time of war and the British govt have as much if not more blood on their hands but you don't hear anyone harping on about that do you? One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Things have moved on stop dragging us back to the past. " | |||
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"I’m from a Unionist background up north and am not completely against a United Ireland , I’m very much pro EU and Brexit is perhaps opening my mind further , but and it’s a big but this Sinn Fein push for a border poll is madness at this stage , if Brexit taught us anything it should be preparations and plans must me layed out before any referendum . And if they truely are for an Ireland of equals then now that they are in a position of power both sides of the border they must admit their links in the past to the IRA , show some sort of regret and start to move away from them " exactly... if they admited it and stopped trying to deflect. if they actually started to condem the acts carried out by the Ira. that would be a huge step forward. but they won't because in my opinion the Ira still controll them | |||
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"I’m from a Unionist background up north and am not completely against a United Ireland , I’m very much pro EU and Brexit is perhaps opening my mind further , but and it’s a big but this Sinn Fein push for a border poll is madness at this stage , if Brexit taught us anything it should be preparations and plans must me layed out before any referendum . And if they truely are for an Ireland of equals then now that they are in a position of power both sides of the border they must admit their links in the past to the IRA , show some sort of regret and start to move away from them " I don't think they ever denied having links with the IRA sure Gerry Adams were there leader and Martin McGuinness was there President. I never heard Ian Pasiley ever admitting to having links with the UVF. He was the one object to the Anglo Irish agreement, the peace process and the good Friday agreement but yet again the the Ulster loyalist never murdered or did anything wrong over the years only the IRA did  | |||
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"Did the good Friday agreement not happen? Did SF and the IRA sign up to the peace process? Why shouldn't people be allowed to vote for whom ever they want. That's what democracy is about. You have to remember SF are the oldest Irish political party followed by labour. If you are going to bring up the past which it is. How come the UK voted for the conservatives ? Don't they remember everything they done in the past. ? Sure for fucks sake you have people voting for neo Nazis there? If you want to know why a lot of people voted SF it was because of a shift to the left and unfortunately there are no other "big" left parties since the labour party turned on the working man. You also mentioned that the IRA bombed children hasn't the British army killed children too ? You can't condemn one without the other. " | |||
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"Did the good Friday agreement not happen? Did SF and the IRA sign up to the peace process? Why shouldn't people be allowed to vote for whom ever they want. That's what democracy is about. You have to remember SF are the oldest Irish political party followed by labour. If you are going to bring up the past which it is. How come the UK voted for the conservatives ? Don't they remember everything they done in the past. ? Sure for fucks sake you have people voting for neo Nazis there? If you want to know why a lot of people voted SF it was because of a shift to the left and unfortunately there are no other "big" left parties since the labour party turned on the working man. You also mentioned that the IRA bombed children hasn't the British army killed children too ? You can't condemn one without the other. " | |||
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"I was going to try and post a response to the OP but it would be pointless given the tone of their post. I think most of us here are moving on and acknowledge that we will not have a perfect solution to what happened. Sinn Fein have become a force to be reckoned with in politics because people support them. That is democracy. The same kind of democracy that elected Nelson Mandela as president, Kept Tony Blair as PM. We dont have to like what is happening, but better this than returning to violence. You try to say that FF/FG are not the same as SF because of the time that has passed, but it is still within a few peoples lifetime so what is the difference? " | |||
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"I’m from a Unionist background up north and am not completely against a United Ireland , I’m very much pro EU and Brexit is perhaps opening my mind further , but and it’s a big but this Sinn Fein push for a border poll is madness at this stage , if Brexit taught us anything it should be preparations and plans must me layed out before any referendum . And if they truely are for an Ireland of equals then now that they are in a position of power both sides of the border they must admit their links in the past to the IRA , show some sort of regret and start to move away from them I don't think they ever denied having links with the IRA sure Gerry Adams were there leader and Martin McGuinness was there President. I never heard Ian Pasiley ever admitting to having links with the UVF. He was the one object to the Anglo Irish agreement, the peace process and the good Friday agreement but yet again the the Ulster loyalist never murdered or did anything wrong over the years only the IRA did "I never mentioned anything about Loyalist killings because it a not the topic in question the topic is about Sinn Fein , there have been wrongs done everywhere , loyalist , republican , British govt ... my point is if SF want people like me to buy in to there vision of a United Ireland then things like a TD singing up the Ra etc do nothing to help that | |||
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"I'm not a member of the SF party or do I vote for them usually. I'm a socialist at heart. I used to vote labour when I was younger then I voted for independents so I'm no entrenched voter who votes the same Evey election this time I voted for SF. who do you vote for ? And why ? 1. If you voted Sinn Fein were you aware of/did you read it’s commending letter to the IRA terrorist organisation that killed multiple women children and innocent people on its website? Yes I'm aware of their past. 2. If you voted Sinn Fein are you content that one of their TDS was a convicted bomb maker? If so why would you continue to vote and how can you get past that? Is he still making bombs ? If not it's the past. 3. If you voted Sinn Fein how do you justify singing chants about up the IRA an organisation that killed children and innocent people? Be smarter than it’s just a song. It's no different than singing rule Britannia 4. If you voted Sinn Fein, how do you reconcile they knew about sex abuse allegations against a key member and are open they never went to Gardai? All political parties and the gardai in Ireland knew about child abuse and done nothing. 5. If you voted Sinn Fein how do you get over claiming innocent people with fatal punishment beatings were criminals. They weren't the only one calling them criminals. 6. If you voted Sinn Fein How do you get past their never criticising terrorist killings. Why should the condemn them the past is the past the signed up for the GFA. Now can you answer some questions? Who do you vote for ? Is SF said sorry and condemned all past atrositities would that make you happy to vote for them ? " | |||
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"Your answers don’t look well at all. I’ve nothing to add except look at those responses I'm not a member of the SF party or do I vote for them usually. I'm a socialist at heart. I used to vote labour when I was younger then I voted for independents so I'm no entrenched voter who votes the same Evey election this time I voted for SF. who do you vote for ? And why ? 1. If you voted Sinn Fein were you aware of/did you read it’s commending letter to the IRA terrorist organisation that killed multiple women children and innocent people on its website? Yes I'm aware of their past. 2. If you voted Sinn Fein are you content that one of their TDS was a convicted bomb maker? If so why would you continue to vote and how can you get past that? Is he still making bombs ? If not it's the past. 3. If you voted Sinn Fein how do you justify singing chants about up the IRA an organisation that killed children and innocent people? Be smarter than it’s just a song. It's no different than singing rule Britannia 4. If you voted Sinn Fein, how do you reconcile they knew about sex abuse allegations against a key member and are open they never went to Gardai? All political parties and the gardai in Ireland knew about child abuse and done nothing. 5. If you voted Sinn Fein how do you get over claiming innocent people with fatal punishment beatings were criminals. They weren't the only one calling them criminals. 6. If you voted Sinn Fein How do you get past their never criticising terrorist killings. Why should the condemn them the past is the past the signed up for the GFA. Now can you answer some questions? Who do you vote for ? Is SF said sorry and condemned all past atrositities would that make you happy to vote for them ? " This ends the discussion. You are just anti SF and no matter what you'll stay that way. You couldn't answer a few questions. At Least I answered yours. It's people like you that are the reason people have moved to the left and voted SF | |||
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"Allow me to qualify my next statement by saying I have no affinity to any party. They’re all abysmal for reasons we all know (hospitals cervical cancers homelessness recessions and many more .....all slime and rotten .....ugh.......but......given Sinn Féin’s affiliations and up the IRA comments and love letter to the IRA on their website ie the IRA the terrorist organisation that killed children and people in huge numbers Sinn Fein are a different kind of slime and rotten. Maybe I’m wrong? Up the RA chants can be dismissed as harmless or just a song or that the chant is just about the old IRA. All of those excuses are rendered void when the IRA are literally .....wait for it ...... regardless of era.......a horrible terrorist organisation who killed families women and children. Just think about that for a second. That literally happened....a lot. Also people say “well Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil have blood on their hands historically also in republicanism ” YES THEY DO historically and they too should be ashamed ......but while their absolutley awful........is score them a point or two for none of them having associations to recent republicanism violence or a TD portfolio like the literal actual bomb maker that Sinn Fein have (and btw possibly even worse) The IRA killed children and did a massive amount of bombing in the uk. The list is huge. Yet the Sinn Fein sing up the RA and have a love letter to the IRA on its website. How does that not ring alarm bells in people? If you disagree that’s fine but if so could you answer these questions below. Keep in mind I think FF and FG are the absolute shite in my shoe and I’m not in anyway advocating them they are horrendous organisations too. Awful awful awful awful. I’m just saying terrorist affiliations are a different level of awful so I’d you disagree would you be so kind to explain how you get past the below questions in your head. Particularily if you’ve a family. 1. If you voted Sinn Fein were you aware of/did you read it’s commending letter to the IRA terrorist organisation that killed multiple women children and innocent people on its website? 2. If you voted Sinn Fein are you content that one of their TDS was a convicted bomb maker? If so why would you continue to vote and how can you get past that? 3. If you voted Sinn Fein how do you justify singing chants about up the IRA an organisation that killed children and innocent people? Be smarter than it’s just a song. 4. If you voted Sinn Fein, how do you reconcile they knew about sex abuse allegations against a key member and are open they never went to Gardai? 5. If you voted Sinn Fein how do you get over claiming innocent people with fatal punishment beatings were criminals How are you ok with Sinn Fein? Again if you say “but what about FF/FG children’s hospital homelessness and cervical cancer” it means you don’t get what I’m saying. I agree they are all awful. All I’m saying is no matter how bad it is (and we know they’re awful. I’d never vote a party that is affiliated to the IRA if you voted how can you get past it’s strong affiliation to the Taliban I mean IRA. It’s just a vile sect even those parades where Ira people wear sunglasses and ski masks to hide their identity like cowards and a horrible armchair republicanism driven by an underbelly of classless brainless Celtic supporters with Eire 32 tattoos. While it’s an ugly look and real, I’d actually get over that......it’s the terrorist organisation affiliation I can’t get past Thoughts" You do realise that countries go to war ever day dont you? You do realise that legitimate governments murder innocent men, woman and children every day dont you? You do realise that the british government have been proven to have colluded with loyalist organisations throughout the period you speak off, including the bombing of dublin killing men, woman and children dont you? You do realise the it was because of british agents, whether they be military, police force, or other types of civil servants, and their killing if innocent men, woman and children, that the IRA reformed dont you? You seem to have a problem only with unofficial, non state sanctioned organisations killing men, woman and children but you dont seem to mind when official government bodies do? The state is responsible for the murder and abuse of many men, woman and children through all kinds of organisations throughout the last hundred years. FF was headed and led by eamon de valera, the man responsible for the murder and abuse of countless men, woman and children by the church over last hundred years. The church itself, though I don't know your religious affiliation, is responsible for the same, though if your catholic you will enter your child into their cult at birth and then its indoctrination in our schools, but no problem with this? FG had a life size micheal Collins at their events, a man responsible for the murder if men, woman and children, no problem there, even though he is the same as Gerry or Martin for example, fighting for equality a d freedom from oppression, but still no problems there. Charles Haughey, FF leader and toiseach was also involved with the P.I.R.A during the troubles too, he supplied the weapons that killed many of those men, woman and children you speak of, but no problems there? Yet all criticism falls only on SF, the party who brought equality and power sharing to the people of the north of this country. FF/FG support the U.S, the U.K, Israel, Saudi Arabia and many more, who are all involved in the murder of innocent people every day. I mean 85,000 children under the age of five have died in yemen recently from starvation yet they have no problem working with these governments. War is a terrible thing, and it is horrible that innocent people die, but I think it is a tad hypocritical that in many peoples eyes it is acceptable when done by official state governments. So for those who voted for the parties above, I would have to ask the same question with regards to FF/FG. | |||
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"It's as simple as this... The people have spoken and they want change. I say let them in power and see what they can do they surely can't be any worse than the previous shower in charge who bankrupted the country. It's also worth remembering that the atrocities were carried out at a time of war and the British govt have as much if not more blood on their hands but you don't hear anyone harping on about that do you? One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Things have moved on stop dragging us back to the past. " | |||
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"May I add to the few posts above: what about the people that die on trolleys in hospitals? what about the 3000 homeless children in this country? What about the tragic suicides of people who didn't see a way out of the hopless situation they were left in after the crash in 2008? What about the mass emigration of 100'000s of Irish people after the crash that caused so much hardship? I could go on forever. But you see op you really have to be careful what ghosts you're calling when there's plenty of skeletons in the cupboard. And does it solve any of those problems? "Yes you are right doghunter , it’s 2020 move on, the train is moving, stay on the platform or be part of a CHANGE! The weapon of choice is the pen...ok | |||
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"At a certain point everyone will have to draw a line, will in 100 years people be saying oh Sinn Fein , sure they were terrorist. Are the elected TDs today involved in bomb making and killing people ? " 
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"I'm not seeking to belittle the suffering caused by the IRA, these things happened, and yes SF and the IRA went hand and glive. However, it is nievity of the highest order to pretend that every other party on these islands do not have blood on thier hands in some way, particularly the British establishment, remember that concentration camps were invented by the British, not the Nazis. If you think your side is morally better than the other one, you are wrong The only way there will ever be progress is by drawing a line under the history and get on with the future" British concentration camps refers to camps operated by the British in South Africa during the Second Anglo-Boer War from 1900–1902. The term concentration camp grew in prominence during that period. The camps had originally been set up by the British Army as refugee camps to provide refuge for civilian families who had been forced to abandon their homes for whatever reason related to the war. | |||
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"Allow me to qualify my next statement by saying I have no affinity to any party. They’re all abysmal for reasons we all know (hospitals cervical cancers homelessness recessions and many more .....all slime and rotten .....ugh.......but......given Sinn Féin’s affiliations and up the IRA comments and love letter to the IRA on their website ie the IRA the terrorist organisation that killed children and people in huge numbers Sinn Fein are a different kind of slime and rotten. Maybe I’m wrong? Up the RA chants can be dismissed as harmless or just a song or that the chant is just about the old IRA. All of those excuses are rendered void when the IRA are literally .....wait for it ...... regardless of era.......a horrible terrorist organisation who killed families women and children. Just think about that for a second. That literally happened....a lot. Also people say “well Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil have blood on their hands historically also in republicanism ” YES THEY DO historically and they too should be ashamed ......but while their absolutley awful........is score them a point or two for none of them having associations to recent republicanism violence or a TD portfolio like the literal actual bomb maker that Sinn Fein have (and btw possibly even worse) The IRA killed children and did a massive amount of bombing in the uk. The list is huge. Yet the Sinn Fein sing up the RA and have a love letter to the IRA on its website. How does that not ring alarm bells in people? If you disagree that’s fine but if so could you answer these questions below. Keep in mind I think FF and FG are the absolute shite in my shoe and I’m not in anyway advocating them they are horrendous organisations too. Awful awful awful awful. I’m just saying terrorist affiliations are a different level of awful so I’d you disagree would you be so kind to explain how you get past the below questions in your head. Particularily if you’ve a family. 1. If you voted Sinn Fein were you aware of/did you read it’s commending letter to the IRA terrorist organisation that killed multiple women children and innocent people on its website? 2. If you voted Sinn Fein are you content that one of their TDS was a convicted bomb maker? If so why would you continue to vote and how can you get past that? 3. If you voted Sinn Fein how do you justify singing chants about up the IRA an organisation that killed children and innocent people? Be smarter than it’s just a song. 4. If you voted Sinn Fein, how do you reconcile they knew about sex abuse allegations against a key member and are open they never went to Gardai? 5. If you voted Sinn Fein how do you get over claiming innocent people with fatal punishment beatings were criminals How are you ok with Sinn Fein? Again if you say “but what about FF/FG children’s hospital homelessness and cervical cancer” it means you don’t get what I’m saying. I agree they are all awful. All I’m saying is no matter how bad it is (and we know they’re awful. I’d never vote a party that is affiliated to the IRA if you voted how can you get past it’s strong affiliation to the Taliban I mean IRA. It’s just a vile sect even those parades where Ira people wear sunglasses and ski masks to hide their identity like cowards and a horrible armchair republicanism driven by an underbelly of classless brainless Celtic supporters with Eire 32 tattoos. While it’s an ugly look and real, I’d actually get over that......it’s the terrorist organisation affiliation I can’t get past Thoughts You do realise that countries go to war ever day dont you? You do realise that legitimate governments murder innocent men, woman and children every day dont you? You do realise that the british government have been proven to have colluded with loyalist organisations throughout the period you speak off, including the bombing of dublin killing men, woman and children dont you? You do realise the it was because of british agents, whether they be military, police force, or other types of civil servants, and their killing if innocent men, woman and children, that the IRA reformed dont you? You seem to have a problem only with unofficial, non state sanctioned organisations killing men, woman and children but you dont seem to mind when official government bodies do? The state is responsible for the murder and abuse of many men, woman and children through all kinds of organisations throughout the last hundred years. FF was headed and led by eamon de valera, the man responsible for the murder and abuse of countless men, woman and children by the church over last hundred years. The church itself, though I don't know your religious affiliation, is responsible for the same, though if your catholic you will enter your child into their cult at birth and then its indoctrination in our schools, but no problem with this? FG had a life size micheal Collins at their events, a man responsible for the murder if men, woman and children, no problem there, even though he is the same as Gerry or Martin for example, fighting for equality a d freedom from oppression, but still no problems there. Charles Haughey, FF leader and toiseach was also involved with the P.I.R.A during the troubles too, he supplied the weapons that killed many of those men, woman and children you speak of, but no problems there? Yet all criticism falls only on SF, the party who brought equality and power sharing to the people of the north of this country. FF/FG support the U.S, the U.K, Israel, Saudi Arabia and many more, who are all involved in the murder of innocent people every day. I mean 85,000 children under the age of five have died in yemen recently from starvation yet they have no problem working with these governments. War is a terrible thing, and it is horrible that innocent people die, but I think it is a tad hypocritical that in many peoples eyes it is acceptable when done by official state governments. So for those who voted for the parties above, I would have to ask the same question with regards to FF/FG. " Where has it been proven that the British government colluded with loyalist terrorists to kill men , women and children ,during the troubles? | |||
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"I'm not seeking to belittle the suffering caused by the IRA, these things happened, and yes SF and the IRA went hand and glive. However, it is nievity of the highest order to pretend that every other party on these islands do not have blood on thier hands in some way, particularly the British establishment, remember that concentration camps were invented by the British, not the Nazis. If you think your side is morally better than the other one, you are wrong The only way there will ever be progress is by drawing a line under the history and get on with the future British concentration camps refers to camps operated by the British in South Africa during the Second Anglo-Boer War from 1900–1902. The term concentration camp grew in prominence during that period. The camps had originally been set up by the British Army as refugee camps to provide refuge for civilian families who had been forced to abandon their homes for whatever reason related to the war. " Maybe you would like to print the next couple of paragraphs of that wiki quote. | |||
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"Sure every time I bring up the murdering ira bastard's I get hate mail so I stopped giving a fuck about the bastards on here. They kill more Catholics then all the Protestant groups added together. And all the shit about Martin McGuiness the bastard knowing nothing about the ira. Bring on the hate mail. But my looks always goes up" He moved on. You didn't. Deal with it. | |||
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"Allow me to qualify my next statement by saying I have no affinity to any party. They’re all abysmal for reasons we all know (hospitals cervical cancers homelessness recessions and many more .....all slime and rotten .....ugh.......but......given Sinn Féin’s affiliations and up the IRA comments and love letter to the IRA on their website ie the IRA the terrorist organisation that killed children and people in huge numbers Sinn Fein are a different kind of slime and rotten. Maybe I’m wrong? Up the RA chants can be dismissed as harmless or just a song or that the chant is just about the old IRA. All of those excuses are rendered void when the IRA are literally .....wait for it ...... regardless of era.......a horrible terrorist organisation who killed families women and children. Just think about that for a second. That literally happened....a lot. Also people say “well Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil have blood on their hands historically also in republicanism ” YES THEY DO historically and they too should be ashamed ......but while their absolutley awful........is score them a point or two for none of them having associations to recent republicanism violence or a TD portfolio like the literal actual bomb maker that Sinn Fein have (and btw possibly even worse) The IRA killed children and did a massive amount of bombing in the uk. The list is huge. Yet the Sinn Fein sing up the RA and have a love letter to the IRA on its website. How does that not ring alarm bells in people? If you disagree that’s fine but if so could you answer these questions below. Keep in mind I think FF and FG are the absolute shite in my shoe and I’m not in anyway advocating them they are horrendous organisations too. Awful awful awful awful. I’m just saying terrorist affiliations are a different level of awful so I’d you disagree would you be so kind to explain how you get past the below questions in your head. Particularily if you’ve a family. 1. If you voted Sinn Fein were you aware of/did you read it’s commending letter to the IRA terrorist organisation that killed multiple women children and innocent people on its website? 2. If you voted Sinn Fein are you content that one of their TDS was a convicted bomb maker? If so why would you continue to vote and how can you get past that? 3. If you voted Sinn Fein how do you justify singing chants about up the IRA an organisation that killed children and innocent people? Be smarter than it’s just a song. 4. If you voted Sinn Fein, how do you reconcile they knew about sex abuse allegations against a key member and are open they never went to Gardai? 5. If you voted Sinn Fein how do you get over claiming innocent people with fatal punishment beatings were criminals How are you ok with Sinn Fein? Again if you say “but what about FF/FG children’s hospital homelessness and cervical cancer” it means you don’t get what I’m saying. I agree they are all awful. All I’m saying is no matter how bad it is (and we know they’re awful. I’d never vote a party that is affiliated to the IRA if you voted how can you get past it’s strong affiliation to the Taliban I mean IRA. It’s just a vile sect even those parades where Ira people wear sunglasses and ski masks to hide their identity like cowards and a horrible armchair republicanism driven by an underbelly of classless brainless Celtic supporters with Eire 32 tattoos. While it’s an ugly look and real, I’d actually get over that......it’s the terrorist organisation affiliation I can’t get past Thoughts You do realise that countries go to war ever day dont you? You do realise that legitimate governments murder innocent men, woman and children every day dont you? You do realise that the british government have been proven to have colluded with loyalist organisations throughout the period you speak off, including the bombing of dublin killing men, woman and children dont you? You do realise the it was because of british agents, whether they be military, police force, or other types of civil servants, and their killing if innocent men, woman and children, that the IRA reformed dont you? You seem to have a problem only with unofficial, non state sanctioned organisations killing men, woman and children but you dont seem to mind when official government bodies do? The state is responsible for the murder and abuse of many men, woman and children through all kinds of organisations throughout the last hundred years. FF was headed and led by eamon de valera, the man responsible for the murder and abuse of countless men, woman and children by the church over last hundred years. The church itself, though I don't know your religious affiliation, is responsible for the same, though if your catholic you will enter your child into their cult at birth and then its indoctrination in our schools, but no problem with this? FG had a life size micheal Collins at their events, a man responsible for the murder if men, woman and children, no problem there, even though he is the same as Gerry or Martin for example, fighting for equality a d freedom from oppression, but still no problems there. Charles Haughey, FF leader and toiseach was also involved with the P.I.R.A during the troubles too, he supplied the weapons that killed many of those men, woman and children you speak of, but no problems there? Yet all criticism falls only on SF, the party who brought equality and power sharing to the people of the north of this country. FF/FG support the U.S, the U.K, Israel, Saudi Arabia and many more, who are all involved in the murder of innocent people every day. I mean 85,000 children under the age of five have died in yemen recently from starvation yet they have no problem working with these governments. War is a terrible thing, and it is horrible that innocent people die, but I think it is a tad hypocritical that in many peoples eyes it is acceptable when done by official state governments. So for those who voted for the parties above, I would have to ask the same question with regards to FF/FG. Where has it been proven that the British government colluded with loyalist terrorists to kill men , women and children ,during the troubles?" I dunno. 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"I'm not seeking to belittle the suffering caused by the IRA, these things happened, and yes SF and the IRA went hand and glive. However, it is nievity of the highest order to pretend that every other party on these islands do not have blood on thier hands in some way, particularly the British establishment, remember that concentration camps were invented by the British, not the Nazis. If you think your side is morally better than the other one, you are wrong The only way there will ever be progress is by drawing a line under the history and get on with the future British concentration camps refers to camps operated by the British in South Africa during the Second Anglo-Boer War from 1900–1902. The term concentration camp grew in prominence during that period. The camps had originally been set up by the British Army as refugee camps to provide refuge for civilian families who had been forced to abandon their homes for whatever reason related to the war. Maybe you would like to print the next couple of paragraphs of that wiki quote." You want history. Well go and bomb Norway Sweden etc because the Vikings sold 1000s of the poor Irish as slaves all over the world.And there's a lot of people who think they Irish but have more Viking and English DNA ops The Normans (french Vikings)killed 1000s of Irish so go and bomb the French. The Scottish Welsh and English and Irish was killing each other for as long as history. A good parts of Scotland was ruled by the Irish. So Scotland should bomb the Irish. Oh the Catholics begged for the UK to send troops over here because they was scared of the Protestants. And it's the ira bastard's that broke the agreement between the two sides of Ireland when the north and south became two. So they can't be trusted. Bye | |||
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"Allow me to qualify my next statement by saying I have no affinity to any party. They’re all abysmal for reasons we all know (hospitals cervical cancers homelessness recessions and many more .....all slime and rotten .....ugh.......but......given Sinn Féin’s affiliations and up the IRA comments and love letter to the IRA on their website ie the IRA the terrorist organisation that killed children and people in huge numbers Sinn Fein are a different kind of slime and rotten. Maybe I’m wrong? Up the RA chants can be dismissed as harmless or just a song or that the chant is just about the old IRA. All of those excuses are rendered void when the IRA are literally .....wait for it ...... regardless of era.......a horrible terrorist organisation who killed families women and children. Just think about that for a second. That literally happened....a lot. Also people say “well Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil have blood on their hands historically also in republicanism ” YES THEY DO historically and they too should be ashamed ......but while their absolutley awful........is score them a point or two for none of them having associations to recent republicanism violence or a TD portfolio like the literal actual bomb maker that Sinn Fein have (and btw possibly even worse) The IRA killed children and did a massive amount of bombing in the uk. The list is huge. Yet the Sinn Fein sing up the RA and have a love letter to the IRA on its website. How does that not ring alarm bells in people? If you disagree that’s fine but if so could you answer these questions below. Keep in mind I think FF and FG are the absolute shite in my shoe and I’m not in anyway advocating them they are horrendous organisations too. Awful awful awful awful. I’m just saying terrorist affiliations are a different level of awful so I’d you disagree would you be so kind to explain how you get past the below questions in your head. Particularily if you’ve a family. 1. If you voted Sinn Fein were you aware of/did you read it’s commending letter to the IRA terrorist organisation that killed multiple women children and innocent people on its website? 2. If you voted Sinn Fein are you content that one of their TDS was a convicted bomb maker? If so why would you continue to vote and how can you get past that? 3. If you voted Sinn Fein how do you justify singing chants about up the IRA an organisation that killed children and innocent people? Be smarter than it’s just a song. 4. If you voted Sinn Fein, how do you reconcile they knew about sex abuse allegations against a key member and are open they never went to Gardai? 5. If you voted Sinn Fein how do you get over claiming innocent people with fatal punishment beatings were criminals How are you ok with Sinn Fein? Again if you say “but what about FF/FG children’s hospital homelessness and cervical cancer” it means you don’t get what I’m saying. I agree they are all awful. All I’m saying is no matter how bad it is (and we know they’re awful. I’d never vote a party that is affiliated to the IRA if you voted how can you get past it’s strong affiliation to the Taliban I mean IRA. It’s just a vile sect even those parades where Ira people wear sunglasses and ski masks to hide their identity like cowards and a horrible armchair republicanism driven by an underbelly of classless brainless Celtic supporters with Eire 32 tattoos. While it’s an ugly look and real, I’d actually get over that......it’s the terrorist organisation affiliation I can’t get past Thoughts You do realise that countries go to war ever day dont you? You do realise that legitimate governments murder innocent men, woman and children every day dont you? You do realise that the british government have been proven to have colluded with loyalist organisations throughout the period you speak off, including the bombing of dublin killing men, woman and children dont you? You do realise the it was because of british agents, whether they be military, police force, or other types of civil servants, and their killing if innocent men, woman and children, that the IRA reformed dont you? You seem to have a problem only with unofficial, non state sanctioned organisations killing men, woman and children but you dont seem to mind when official government bodies do? The state is responsible for the murder and abuse of many men, woman and children through all kinds of organisations throughout the last hundred years. FF was headed and led by eamon de valera, the man responsible for the murder and abuse of countless men, woman and children by the church over last hundred years. The church itself, though I don't know your religious affiliation, is responsible for the same, though if your catholic you will enter your child into their cult at birth and then its indoctrination in our schools, but no problem with this? FG had a life size micheal Collins at their events, a man responsible for the murder if men, woman and children, no problem there, even though he is the same as Gerry or Martin for example, fighting for equality a d freedom from oppression, but still no problems there. Charles Haughey, FF leader and toiseach was also involved with the P.I.R.A during the troubles too, he supplied the weapons that killed many of those men, woman and children you speak of, but no problems there? Yet all criticism falls only on SF, the party who brought equality and power sharing to the people of the north of this country. FF/FG support the U.S, the U.K, Israel, Saudi Arabia and many more, who are all involved in the murder of innocent people every day. I mean 85,000 children under the age of five have died in yemen recently from starvation yet they have no problem working with these governments. War is a terrible thing, and it is horrible that innocent people die, but I think it is a tad hypocritical that in many peoples eyes it is acceptable when done by official state governments. So for those who voted for the parties above, I would have to ask the same question with regards to FF/FG. Where has it been proven that the British government colluded with loyalist terrorists to kill men , women and children ,during the troubles? I dunno. You should probably ask former pm David Cameron since he was the one that suggested that the evidence of collusion was absolutely shocking. 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