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"This post stinks of privilege. " Or of someone who’s never been on ‘the dole’. | |||
"I know nobody asked to hear it but I'm gonna tell you my story in the hopes that maybe you'll all think a little more before you judge people. I got pregnant at 19 in college. I still managed to graduate despite working a part time job in a deli, commuting from dundalk to Dublin for classes, paying for childcare for my baby, and living alone in a house with her. I didn't make a single friend. I never drank in the college bar. But I got a 1st in my degree and I was proud. I then walked into the middle of the recession. The only graduate jobs for young people were unpaid internships. I couldn't do one and still pay rent and childcare costs, so I had to keep working in the deli part time and go on dole. I was the first person in my extremely middle class family to ever go on the dole. It was humiliating and I was ashamed. While I kept trying to find work that was relevant to my degree I did 2 FAS courses and 3 Job Bridge Schemes. I applied and applied for job after job and never heard a word back. Even when the economy started to pick up and jobs became available, starting salaries were so low that again, they weren't an option for me. So I stayed at the deli and dole. But I kept trying. I refused to give up. It took me 7 years to find a job that was relevant to my degree and that paid enough to cover our living costs. But guess what? My rent went up. I was now paying 1,300 for a 2 bed apartment in Louth. So I had to go straight back to the dole with my tail between my legs where they offered me a small weekly payment on top of my salary to help with rent. My daughter is now 9. We're still in our little apartment. And I'm still on the dole. It's also worth mentioning, especially because yesterday was world mental health day, that long term unemployment seriously fucks with your mental health. Working gives us a sense of pride and dignity and a feeling that we are contributing to society, that we have value. Other people respect us for it, and we respect ourselves too. Applying and applying for job after job and being rejected over and over again for years made me feel that I had none of that. I eventually started to think that I was a piece of shit with nothing to offer, just taking from society and giving nothing back. After all those years of KILLING myself to get that degree, I'd really started to think, "maybe I'll amount to nothing after all... Maybe all I'll ever be is a single mam on the dole". And hearing people like those on this thread talk about how people on the dole are some sort of viral plague destroying the country didn't help. This is all majorly contributed to me being on antidepressants by the time I was 25 and honestly, spending my days dreaming about my death and how my daughter would do better without me - a failure - dragging her down. Heavy shit for a swinging forum - I know. Now I'm very happy to say that I have a job that I love and that fullfills me and I'm fucking briisnt at. I pay tax. My daughters doing great in school. We're still in our little apartment. And yes, I'm still on the dole to help pay for it. I've worked hard to let go of any shame I built up over those years, and I'm extremely fucking proud of who I am. Now, I have no doubt that you, op, have worked very hard all of your life. No doubt at all. And I can also have compassion for you and imagine it must be frustrating to think that we're all lazing about the place having a great time. But you're wrong. And you can't claim ignorance as an excuse for your total lack of humanity once you've read this. Maybe you'll read this and role your eyes. Maybe you'll take 1 look at it and say, "fuck it, not reading all that". But hopefully you'll read it and say, "jesus, I'm so lucky that wasn't me" and be a little less judgemental, self righteous and degradung about people whose circumstances you know absolutely nothing about in future. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk x A " That’s some story... I would say fair play to you, but that maybe would sound condescending. I’m lucky in that I have always been employed, apart from one period in the 80’s when it was impossible to find decent paid work. It was humiliating enough having to queue to get your money, but being handed a butter voucher kicked a bit harder. | |||
" That’s some story... I would say fair play to you, but that maybe would sound condescending. I’m lucky in that I have always been employed, apart from one period in the 80’s when it was impossible to find decent paid work. It was humiliating enough having to queue to get your money, but being handed a butter voucher kicked a bit harder. " Thanks! I appreciate that. Thing is, it isn't some story. It someone's life. And countless others people's too. And everyone is just trying their best with what's available to them. Thankfully I never had to do the voucher thing. I'd say that hurt like a bitch. I do think it builds character though and makes you a kinder, more compassionate person which to me is invaluable. | |||
" That’s some story... I would say fair play to you, but that maybe would sound condescending. I’m lucky in that I have always been employed, apart from one period in the 80’s when it was impossible to find decent paid work. It was humiliating enough having to queue to get your money, but being handed a butter voucher kicked a bit harder. Thanks! I appreciate that. Thing is, it isn't some story. It someone's life. And countless others people's too. And everyone is just trying their best with what's available to them. Thankfully I never had to do the voucher thing. I'd say that hurt like a bitch. I do think it builds character though and makes you a kinder, more compassionate person which to me is invaluable. " As they say... you don’t know till you’ve walked in someone’s shoes. | |||
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"This post stinks of privilege. " Definitely no privilege here or silver spoon but I'm sure you have to agree that theres something wrong when fully able non disabled people spend their entire lifetime on the dole following their parents footsteps? And I dont think anyone here could justify these people, there are people who play the system their entire lives, it's a career for these people. I have interviewed a guy recently, told him he had the job and he turned round a said hed only work 4 days a week and hed have to get 40k to come off the dole, then proceeded to look for a letter to say he didnt get the job. Also I made the point in my first post that I understand how some people are on the dole, but I reckon more than half could work if they wanted. I recently overheard a conversation where a guy on the dole said why would he bother to get a job when he pretty much gets the same amount for doing nothing? There is no incentive for the people to come off the dole, I dont know of any other country where people can leave school and live comfortably for the rest of their lives never ever having worked a day. | |||
"As they say... you don’t know till you’ve walked in someone’s shoes." Yes, before judging someone you should first walk a mile in someone else's shoes.......... ............... because then you'll be a mile away AND you'll have their shoes.  | |||
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" Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk x " So here is my thoughts of all this.. Yes your story is why Dole is and should be to help people who needs it.. But let's face it probably over a half of people who sitting on social could actually work.. I personally know some people who goes to dole office over 10 years..and they can work they have no problem find job or anything..no kids to take care or any health problems. They just don't because as they said why need work if they pay for not working. The work I do isn't pleasant or hours the best but pay rate is good. And we regularly are short staff.. Totally understand people with families, small kids etc can't do any job as its not suit.. But how many could actually do the some job get paid while looking that dream job?! Recently was chatting with someone who on dole few yearsand person was oh no jobs here need move away, and I said about my work we have places and person just laughed that they never will do that job.. Not good/fancy enough but rate is pretty acceptable.. Not judgement to anyone but there is too many who actually shouldn't get Dole.. And there is some who actually should go and ask  | |||
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"I know nobody asked to hear it but I'm gonna tell you my story in the hopes that maybe you'll all think a little more before you judge people. I got pregnant at 19 in college. I still managed to graduate despite working a part time job in a deli, commuting from dundalk to Dublin for classes, paying for childcare for my baby, and living alone in a house with her. I didn't make a single friend. I never drank in the college bar. But I got a 1st in my degree and I was proud. I then walked into the middle of the recession. The only graduate jobs for young people were unpaid internships. I couldn't do one and still pay rent and childcare costs, so I had to keep working in the deli part time and go on dole. I was the first person in my extremely middle class family to ever go on the dole. It was humiliating and I was ashamed. While I kept trying to find work that was relevant to my degree I did 2 FAS courses and 3 Job Bridge Schemes. I applied and applied for job after job and never heard a word back. Even when the economy started to pick up and jobs became available, starting salaries were so low that again, they weren't an option for me. So I stayed at the deli and dole. But I kept trying. I refused to give up. It took me 7 years to find a job that was relevant to my degree and that paid enough to cover our living costs. But guess what? My rent went up. I was now paying 1,300 for a 2 bed apartment in Louth. So I had to go straight back to the dole with my tail between my legs where they offered me a small weekly payment on top of my salary to help with rent. My daughter is now 9. We're still in our little apartment. And I'm still on the dole. It's also worth mentioning, especially because yesterday was world mental health day, that long term unemployment seriously fucks with your mental health. Working gives us a sense of pride and dignity and a feeling that we are contributing to society, that we have value. Other people respect us for it, and we respect ourselves too. Applying and applying for job after job and being rejected over and over again for years made me feel that I had none of that. I eventually started to think that I was a piece of shit with nothing to offer, just taking from society and giving nothing back. After all those years of KILLING myself to get that degree, I'd really started to think, "maybe I'll amount to nothing after all... Maybe all I'll ever be is a single mam on the dole". And hearing people like those on this thread talk about how people on the dole are some sort of viral plague destroying the country didn't help. This is all majorly contributed to me being on antidepressants by the time I was 25 and honestly, spending my days dreaming about my death and how my daughter would do better without me - a failure - dragging her down. Heavy shit for a swinging forum - I know. Now I'm very happy to say that I have a job that I love and that fullfills me and I'm fucking briisnt at. I pay tax. My daughters doing great in school. We're still in our little apartment. And yes, I'm still on the dole to help pay for it. I've worked hard to let go of any shame I built up over those years, and I'm extremely fucking proud of who I am. Now, I have no doubt that you, op, have worked very hard all of your life. No doubt at all. And I can also have compassion for you and imagine it must be frustrating to think that we're all lazing about the place having a great time. But you're wrong. And you can't claim ignorance as an excuse for your total lack of humanity once you've read this. Maybe you'll read this and role your eyes. Maybe you'll take 1 look at it and say, "fuck it, not reading all that". But hopefully you'll read it and say, "jesus, I'm so lucky that wasn't me" and be a little less judgemental, self righteous and degradung about people whose circumstances you know absolutely nothing about in future. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk x Wow, never thought I'd cry at a message on here. You live sounds so harsh, cruel and hard i hope it really takes a change for the good. But the point I think op was trying to make is there are those who milk it and those like you who need it to survive. You worked, raised a child, paid childcare all on your own for which your really do deserve a medal. But up here in Northern Ireland i pass estates with 4x4s, triple glazing, solar panels on roof and kids in Canada goose coats. Where is the happy medium? " | |||
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"The whole system in this country is a joke ,and l do respect that there are those that genuinely don't want to be on the dole and there are those that totally milk the system BUT both are closely linked to one thing ..why should they come off the dole when they'd get way more benefits and nearly as much money without having to work 39 hrs a week for it .. BUT for ones " head " , being on the dole isn't the best either ,but it's like everything in life ,you'll get the ones that love it ,will live with it and those that don't like it but why would you give it up to work 39 hrs a week for a few quid more and lose all your benefits ....and straight away be down money cause besides Everything else from the start it costs money to get to work to be taxed to the nuts ..the bottom line here is the pros and cons are checked and the pros financially of not working far outweigh those of working ,And its gonna remain so in this country BUT the one institution that totally crippled this country by screwing everyone right left and center and are now continuing to do so again and are being left off Scot free to do so by this government is the fucking banks ...they destroyed this country financially...people's pensions were robbed by them ..the low to middle income earners wages were fleeced to bail them out and now the make billions of profits but does anything come back to those that bailed them out ??? Not a fucking chance ..they just continue to screw the people...this really irks me way more than anything...to say l really really fucking HATE banks is a serious understatement.." Not only that they sold off all the gas off the coast which would have helped this country made jobs for people off shore and on it. The government don't give a fuck leaving banks kick families out of there homes and they won't but a cap on rent it's mental | |||
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"I really am baffled by it, Govt are in fear of them, they are the only people who have time to protest,get a free bus or train to dublin and fill the streets, the have more power than the tax payer paying the politicians wages and also paying peoples dole" Least the will protest... if the rest of the country would protect together maybe something would change.. But people that have work couldn't be arsed and then jump to complain on social media it's a joke | |||
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"All I see is snowflakes. The dole is there for a reason to help people when they have noting... yes some people take the piss out of it. But never ever would I feel ashamed or guilty... when I had a job I paid my taxes which pays for someone else going through hard times " Yes when people actually need it.. But how many thousands actually doesn't goes through hard times and just loves lazy living is the question and what's annoying. I working and paying my taxes from second week when I arrived and I'm extremely grateful for what I have.. But its boiling my blood when I after serious surgery have to go early to work cause simply it's takes ages get sick paid and someone who have came here haven't worked any second gets everything easy and on plate and already talking how they planning get next benifits.. Yes I came to Ireland for better life and yes I'm having it because I work for it.. | |||
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"If being on the dole is so easy, great and lucrative and you'd have a nicer car and clothes then why don't you jack in your job and do it? Don't try to tell me it's because of your lofty morals. You know the idea of being "better off on the dole" is a heap of bullshit. " Are you really that naive? Do you know how much a family of 5 gets on the dole with neither working? When papa can then go do his side jobs, cash in hand, i know this because i know people who do this. Anyway its a poxy system similar to children’s allowance it should all be abolished and a fairer system to help the vulnerable and the needy. | |||
"If being on the dole is so easy, great and lucrative and you'd have a nicer car and clothes then why don't you jack in your job and do it? Don't try to tell me it's because of your lofty morals. You know the idea of being "better off on the dole" is a heap of bullshit. " If we all did it the house of cards will fall, I am a confident hard working driven individual who cant sleep or sit still so I'll never go on the dole, I'll always find something to do. I stand firm on my statement though, a lot of people on the dole are better off than working families. | |||
"I fully agree with dole and helping those that fall on hard times and make a living out of it. The dole when used for what it was designed for is brilliant, however I dont believe it is policed properly. We should have people on dole do work in the community, help tidy towns committees, volunteer in a struggling business to save the other peoples jobs there who are working hard to pay their dole. I just feel the working class is taken for a ride" We do have this it's called TUS community employment schemes but I agree with most of what you posted. The dole should be a short term solution not a career. | |||
"I fully agree with dole and helping those that fall on hard times and make a living out of it. The dole when used for what it was designed for is brilliant, however I dont believe it is policed properly. We should have people on dole do work in the community, help tidy towns committees, volunteer in a struggling business to save the other peoples jobs there who are working hard to pay their dole. I just feel the working class is taken for a ride" And how would I have paid for the childcare to do this? | |||
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"I know nobody asked to hear it but I'm gonna tell you my story in the hopes that maybe you'll all think a little more before you judge people. I got pregnant at 19 in college. I still managed to graduate despite working a part time job in a deli, commuting from dundalk to Dublin for classes, paying for childcare for my baby, and living alone in a house with her. I didn't make a single friend. I never drank in the college bar. But I got a 1st in my degree and I was proud. I then walked into the middle of the recession. The only graduate jobs for young people were unpaid internships. I couldn't do one and still pay rent and childcare costs, so I had to keep working in the deli part time and go on dole. I was the first person in my extremely middle class family to ever go on the dole. It was humiliating and I was ashamed. While I kept trying to find work that was relevant to my degree I did 2 FAS courses and 3 Job Bridge Schemes. I applied and applied for job after job and never heard a word back. Even when the economy started to pick up and jobs became available, starting salaries were so low that again, they weren't an option for me. So I stayed at the deli and dole. But I kept trying. I refused to give up. It took me 7 years to find a job that was relevant to my degree and that paid enough to cover our living costs. But guess what? My rent went up. I was now paying 1,300 for a 2 bed apartment in Louth. So I had to go straight back to the dole with my tail between my legs where they offered me a small weekly payment on top of my salary to help with rent. My daughter is now 9. We're still in our little apartment. And I'm still on the dole. It's also worth mentioning, especially because yesterday was world mental health day, that long term unemployment seriously fucks with your mental health. Working gives us a sense of pride and dignity and a feeling that we are contributing to society, that we have value. Other people respect us for it, and we respect ourselves too. Applying and applying for job after job and being rejected over and over again for years made me feel that I had none of that. I eventually started to think that I was a piece of shit with nothing to offer, just taking from society and giving nothing back. After all those years of KILLING myself to get that degree, I'd really started to think, "maybe I'll amount to nothing after all... Maybe all I'll ever be is a single mam on the dole". And hearing people like those on this thread talk about how people on the dole are some sort of viral plague destroying the country didn't help. This is all majorly contributed to me being on antidepressants by the time I was 25 and honestly, spending my days dreaming about my death and how my daughter would do better without me - a failure - dragging her down. Heavy shit for a swinging forum - I know. Now I'm very happy to say that I have a job that I love and that fullfills me and I'm fucking briisnt at. I pay tax. My daughters doing great in school. We're still in our little apartment. And yes, I'm still on the dole to help pay for it. I've worked hard to let go of any shame I built up over those years, and I'm extremely fucking proud of who I am. Now, I have no doubt that you, op, have worked very hard all of your life. No doubt at all. And I can also have compassion for you and imagine it must be frustrating to think that we're all lazing about the place having a great time. But you're wrong. And you can't claim ignorance as an excuse for your total lack of humanity once you've read this. Maybe you'll read this and role your eyes. Maybe you'll take 1 look at it and say, "fuck it, not reading all that". But hopefully you'll read it and say, "jesus, I'm so lucky that wasn't me" and be a little less judgemental, self righteous and degradung about people whose circumstances you know absolutely nothing about in future. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk x " An inspiring story. Thanks for sharing x | |||
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"If life on the dole is so great then why don't you quit your job OP? I find life extremely hard with a job and I imagine its even harder if not impossible to live here on €200 a week! Blame the rich for the state of the country instead of attacking the most vunerable! Capitalism has Ireland destroyed to such an extent that muppets like yourself work every minute they're awake to make the rich richer while they blame the poor for it. Inform yourself!" This! | |||
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"I know nobody asked to hear it but I'm gonna tell you my story in the hopes that maybe you'll all think a little more before you judge people. I got pregnant at 19 in college. I still managed to graduate despite working a part time job in a deli, commuting from dundalk to Dublin for classes, paying for childcare for my baby, and living alone in a house with her. I didn't make a single friend. I never drank in the college bar. But I got a 1st in my degree and I was proud. I then walked into the middle of the recession. The only graduate jobs for young people were unpaid internships. I couldn't do one and still pay rent and childcare costs, so I had to keep working in the deli part time and go on dole. I was the first person in my extremely middle class family to ever go on the dole. It was humiliating and I was ashamed. While I kept trying to find work that was relevant to my degree I did 2 FAS courses and 3 Job Bridge Schemes. I applied and applied for job after job and never heard a word back. Even when the economy started to pick up and jobs became available, starting salaries were so low that again, they weren't an option for me. So I stayed at the deli and dole. But I kept trying. I refused to give up. It took me 7 years to find a job that was relevant to my degree and that paid enough to cover our living costs. But guess what? My rent went up. I was now paying 1,300 for a 2 bed apartment in Louth. So I had to go straight back to the dole with my tail between my legs where they offered me a small weekly payment on top of my salary to help with rent. My daughter is now 9. We're still in our little apartment. And I'm still on the dole. It's also worth mentioning, especially because yesterday was world mental health day, that long term unemployment seriously fucks with your mental health. Working gives us a sense of pride and dignity and a feeling that we are contributing to society, that we have value. Other people respect us for it, and we respect ourselves too. Applying and applying for job after job and being rejected over and over again for years made me feel that I had none of that. I eventually started to think that I was a piece of shit with nothing to offer, just taking from society and giving nothing back. After all those years of KILLING myself to get that degree, I'd really started to think, "maybe I'll amount to nothing after all... Maybe all I'll ever be is a single mam on the dole". And hearing people like those on this thread talk about how people on the dole are some sort of viral plague destroying the country didn't help. This is all majorly contributed to me being on antidepressants by the time I was 25 and honestly, spending my days dreaming about my death and how my daughter would do better without me - a failure - dragging her down. Heavy shit for a swinging forum - I know. Now I'm very happy to say that I have a job that I love and that fullfills me and I'm fucking briisnt at. I pay tax. My daughters doing great in school. We're still in our little apartment. And yes, I'm still on the dole to help pay for it. I've worked hard to let go of any shame I built up over those years, and I'm extremely fucking proud of who I am. Now, I have no doubt that you, op, have worked very hard all of your life. No doubt at all. And I can also have compassion for you and imagine it must be frustrating to think that we're all lazing about the place having a great time. But you're wrong. And you can't claim ignorance as an excuse for your total lack of humanity once you've read this. Maybe you'll read this and role your eyes. Maybe you'll take 1 look at it and say, "fuck it, not reading all that". But hopefully you'll read it and say, "jesus, I'm so lucky that wasn't me" and be a little less judgemental, self righteous and degradung about people whose circumstances you know absolutely nothing about in future. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk x " Fair fucking play to you | |||
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"I know nobody asked to hear it but I'm gonna tell you my story in the hopes that maybe you'll all think a little more before you judge people. I got pregnant at 19 in college. I still managed to graduate despite working a part time job in a deli, commuting from dundalk to Dublin for classes, paying for childcare for my baby, and living alone in a house with her. I didn't make a single friend. I never drank in the college bar. But I got a 1st in my degree and I was proud. I then walked into the middle of the recession. The only graduate jobs for young people were unpaid internships. I couldn't do one and still pay rent and childcare costs, so I had to keep working in the deli part time and go on dole. I was the first person in my extremely middle class family to ever go on the dole. It was humiliating and I was ashamed. While I kept trying to find work that was relevant to my degree I did 2 FAS courses and 3 Job Bridge Schemes. I applied and applied for job after job and never heard a word back. Even when the economy started to pick up and jobs became available, starting salaries were so low that again, they weren't an option for me. So I stayed at the deli and dole. But I kept trying. I refused to give up. It took me 7 years to find a job that was relevant to my degree and that paid enough to cover our living costs. But guess what? My rent went up. I was now paying 1,300 for a 2 bed apartment in Louth. So I had to go straight back to the dole with my tail between my legs where they offered me a small weekly payment on top of my salary to help with rent. My daughter is now 9. We're still in our little apartment. And I'm still on the dole. It's also worth mentioning, especially because yesterday was world mental health day, that long term unemployment seriously fucks with your mental health. Working gives us a sense of pride and dignity and a feeling that we are contributing to society, that we have value. Other people respect us for it, and we respect ourselves too. Applying and applying for job after job and being rejected over and over again for years made me feel that I had none of that. I eventually started to think that I was a piece of shit with nothing to offer, just taking from society and giving nothing back. After all those years of KILLING myself to get that degree, I'd really started to think, "maybe I'll amount to nothing after all... Maybe all I'll ever be is a single mam on the dole". And hearing people like those on this thread talk about how people on the dole are some sort of viral plague destroying the country didn't help. This is all majorly contributed to me being on antidepressants by the time I was 25 and honestly, spending my days dreaming about my death and how my daughter would do better without me - a failure - dragging her down. Heavy shit for a swinging forum - I know. Now I'm very happy to say that I have a job that I love and that fullfills me and I'm fucking briisnt at. I pay tax. My daughters doing great in school. We're still in our little apartment. And yes, I'm still on the dole to help pay for it. I've worked hard to let go of any shame I built up over those years, and I'm extremely fucking proud of who I am. Now, I have no doubt that you, op, have worked very hard all of your life. No doubt at all. And I can also have compassion for you and imagine it must be frustrating to think that we're all lazing about the place having a great time. But you're wrong. And you can't claim ignorance as an excuse for your total lack of humanity once you've read this. Maybe you'll read this and role your eyes. Maybe you'll take 1 look at it and say, "fuck it, not reading all that". But hopefully you'll read it and say, "jesus, I'm so lucky that wasn't me" and be a little less judgemental, self righteous and degradung about people whose circumstances you know absolutely nothing about in future. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk x congratulations well done love and respect x " | |||
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"This post stinks of privilege. " I wanted to message you privately to say thanks for sharing your story, honestly I think you're super brave and fair fucks to you for how you've lived your life, I don't know many that would manage that! | |||
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"Christ we all on bout the dole its at the other end things crazy all these top ceos on perks an expenses an wage rises by the dozen thats where this country is fecked " Exactly. Its another way of keeping us divided, which then means we are easier to control and manipulate into the governments way of thinking. | |||
"Its 1am, I'm just in the door, I was up at 5.30am yesterday morning, yes I work hard and from what I can see there is plenty of work out there, I have two vacant positions I cant fill, but after the budget I feel I'm getting rode without knowing or reaping any benefits of a ride. Feel free to lynch me and tar and feather me but I feel aggrieved...... People on the dole are getting a Christmas bonus for doing nothing year in year out, retailers cant fill seasonal xmas vacancies despite all these people allegedly looking for work yet our Govt deems it good practice to reward people for doing nothing, pay people well to do nothing and they will do nothing very well........ Where I live I see people on the dole driving better cars than people out working, I'm like wtf... I understand there are some people on the dole for reasons out of their control but I believe alot of them are taking the pi$$, when is the Govt going to reward the working person? Instead they remove my braces, lower my britches and take me for a ride, does anyone else feel the same? Forgive my ignorance but I'd love to hear from someone on the dole and hear their perspective on the issue or from other working or self employed people, I couldn't post this on any other social media for fear of being lynched, #RANTOVER" Blame the system not people. They just use the failed system and really dont care who pays for them. I was having my own business in the UK, sold it and moved to Spain. Found a job asap as Im single mother. I cant imagine being at home all these years! Even having autistic child nothing changed! Its all about the organisational skills, well planning and motivation! What the governments do in Ireland and in the UK is a huge mistake! People being on doll have no instinct to look after themselves and their families! Additionally, we tax payers have to pay for everything. And totally agree with you, OP. I understand some rara situation but mostly they are people whom can moved their a$$es to work and stop complaining for everything! Good weekend, all! | |||
"This post stinks of privilege. I wanted to message you privately to say thanks for sharing your story, honestly I think you're super brave and fair fucks to you for how you've lived your life, I don't know many that would manage that!" Ah thank you babe!! We're all just doing the best that we can x  | |||
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"My brother was on the dole for the past 6 years. He went back to work last year. He often says he was he better off if he was still on the dole. He is married with 3 kids. When he went back to work he lost the medical card. The wage he was in was just a little over what the dole was giving him. With having to get a car. Then tax that car. Insure it. Put petrol in it he is actually coming home with less money than when in the dole. So his wife took up a part time job to try keep them afloat but what she earns into covers the child care costs so they have made the disscion that she would be better off at home looking after her kids ." This is kinda where I am right now. My boss wanted to give me a raise this year cos I'm deadly etc but I had to turn it down. Because the raise would push me over the threshold for my rent payment but wouldn't be enough to cover my rent. So I'm just here, stuck on a starting salary for the foreseeable future, not really sure how I'll ever get out of it. It's fucking madness. I think the sw system is great and so much more important to society than people give it credit for. But it definitely traps people like your brother and when you have kids to feed, sometimes staying on the dole is the actual responsible thing to do. | |||
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"Of course there are people milking the system, there always was and always will be. It's not the people on the dole who brought this country to its knees ten years ago though. They were lads wearing suits and earning half a million a year for riding us all. The rest of us had to bail them out and will be paying for their abuses for the next few decades. The now profitable banks won't even be paying any taxes for the next twenty years and that's a far bigger issue than any amount of "dole scrounging" We've managed in this country over the last while to see the weakest members of society as the enemy rather than the likes of the bankers who are fucking us over good and proper, hence our aversion to social housing at the moment. It's perverse. "Rich men and woman living in mansions, driving prestige cars,and wearing pin stripped suits all paid for by us are blaming some unemployed man on a bicycle wearing a track suit who hasnt 2 coins to rub together for the state of the country. Sounds logical! | |||
"My brother was on the dole for the past 6 years. He went back to work last year. He often says he was he better off if he was still on the dole. He is married with 3 kids. When he went back to work he lost the medical card. The wage he was in was just a little over what the dole was giving him. With having to get a car. Then tax that car. Insure it. Put petrol in it he is actually coming home with less money than when in the dole. So his wife took up a part time job to try keep them afloat but what she earns into covers the child care costs so they have made the disscion that she would be better off at home looking after her kids . This is kinda where I am right now. My boss wanted to give me a raise this year cos I'm deadly etc but I had to turn it down. Because the raise would push me over the threshold for my rent payment but wouldn't be enough to cover my rent. So I'm just here, stuck on a starting salary for the foreseeable future, not really sure how I'll ever get out of it. It's fucking madness. I think the sw system is great and so much more important to society than people give it credit for. But it definitely traps people like your brother and when you have kids to feed, sometimes staying on the dole is the actual responsible thing to do. " The shame he feels for this is what gets me as he needs to do what's best for him and his family. If that means going back on the dole because he will actually earn more then it's a no brainer. | |||
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" The shame he feels for this is what gets me as he needs to do what's best for him and his family. If that means going back on the dole because he will actually earn more then it's a no brainer." Totally agree. When you've got a family, you do whatever it takes. Sometimes that means just accepting that your family is better off with you on the dole. | |||
I think that all in all we are losing sight of the fact that we are all in this together, we are all one, some lucky, some unlucky and it's only together with support that we will all persevere. Sure some might be bums on the dole, big woop, their ancestors made a difference, and they and their descendants may too. Don't hate on even the ones who are able bodied but "lazy", after a few years it because a state of mind due to conditioning and the hate isn't going to help them out of it.
We need to band together more and cast aside the fractious talk. Sure banks this gov't that, we as a people is all we've got and we've got this!! Okay so who's up for kumbaya around the campfire?? Haha
Spoken by someone who graduated 10 years ago into the recession and had to unfortunately move abroad to escape the depressing effects of being on the dole for 2 years!
More power to people like sbellex! Thank you for sharing your perspective. And more power to the working peeps who have more power to help those who struggle more than they could ever know. | |||
"The thing that really rots me is the "handy man" you see advertising facebook offering to do jobs and under cutting others by loads. Easy for them to do this when they are claiming the dole and doing these jobs for cash in hand. He has no expenses like a company would with tax etc. 2 or 3 small jobs a week added to his dole, rent allowance, fuel allowance, medical card = more more left over at the end of the week than most people working has. Theres people complaining then about people milking the system but yet if they were getting work done at home, they would be the first ones to hire the cheapest fully knowing all the above. It makes it impossible for the normal joe soap carpenter, painter etc to price against them. Because at the end of it all they still have to pay mortgages, tax, business insurance, healthcare and have nothing left at the end " This. | |||
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"I have always worked since I was 14 but Christmas Eve 2016 I had to leave the family home in the dead of night with no possessions just me and the kids to start a new life after my bipolar husband had a manic episode and thrashed our family home. I ended up being on social welfare for nearly two years while I picked up the pieces moved from Galway to Kildare and started a new life. It took me a while to find a job that I could work around the school runs. It was a shock to suddenly become a Single Mammy. I couldn't afford childcare I had no one to help with school runs. So I felt like I was in a poverty trap. I am delighted to be back to work but I feel no shame for signing on I needed that support to get me back on my feet. " Congratulations beautiful. Your kids are very lucky to have you! | |||
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"I have always worked since I was 14 but Christmas Eve 2016 I had to leave the family home in the dead of night with no possessions just me and the kids to start a new life after my bipolar husband had a manic episode and thrashed our family home. I ended up being on social welfare for nearly two years while I picked up the pieces moved from Galway to Kildare and started a new life. It took me a while to find a job that I could work around the school runs. It was a shock to suddenly become a Single Mammy. I couldn't afford childcare I had no one to help with school runs. So I felt like I was in a poverty trap. I am delighted to be back to work but I feel no shame for signing on I needed that support to get me back on my feet. Congratulations beautiful. Your kids are very lucky to have you! " Your daughter is equally as lucky you should be so proud of yourself for getting where you are today | |||
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"When writing this, I was attacking our Govt for a system that does not encourage people to get off the system. By giving a Christmas bonus to these long term fully abled people who basically refuse to work is like getting a slap in the face with a fish. I do not begrudge those who genuinely need its help and there are lots of people. I've given long term unemployed people jobs and also those with disabilities a who wanted to work. I want you all to look at the long term unemployed, the cash merchants, a riding tax, vat etc. If we all did that the country would crumble. This morning I drive down the street, its busy, guys you wouldn't see outa bed on a normal day but today is dole day, they have the new brilliant white Nikes on or Timberlands , they'll drink for the day, saw them.outside the pub smoking at lunch, Isaw one climb out of a 2014 Avensis, I know working people who couldn't afford one. I can only imagine how difficult it is to struggle as a single parent. I still believe a lot of people on the dole are financially better off than those working. At the height of the boom there was approx 160k people on the dole, today there is over 200k, I need 2-3 people and no body is applying, those that do want a letter to say they didnt get the job or the last guy wanted 38k for a 4 day week. The system is flawed." You're dead right. The children of parents who can't work definitely shouldn't be allowed to have Santa. Good man! | |||
"Ducky. You responded to a thread about my comments on protesters..well I think it is people like yourself that keeps this world going .getting up of their areas and trying to make the best of what cards you were dealt...you about all should see and understand what I was on about ..I bet 9 years ago .or since .you wouldn't have had the time or energy to go and protest .you were to bust looking after your baby and trying to make a good life for both of you .and well done for that .its a pity there are not more people like you out there ....to many think the world owes them a living and a home and just sit back and expect it to happen .no I know there are some due to circumstances outside their control that can't. But lots can.again .your child will be so proud of you " Actually I went to 3 protests for Gaza during that time cos I believe in civic responsibility. But thanks! | |||
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"When writing this, I was attacking our Govt for a system that does not encourage people to get off the system. By giving a Christmas bonus to these long term fully abled people who basically refuse to work is like getting a slap in the face with a fish. I do not begrudge those who genuinely need its help and there are lots of people. I've given long term unemployed people jobs and also those with disabilities a who wanted to work. I want you all to look at the long term unemployed, the cash merchants, a riding tax, vat etc. If we all did that the country would crumble. This morning I drive down the street, its busy, guys you wouldn't see outa bed on a normal day but today is dole day, they have the new brilliant white Nikes on or Timberlands , they'll drink for the day, saw them.outside the pub smoking at lunch, Isaw one climb out of a 2014 Avensis, I know working people who couldn't afford one. I can only imagine how difficult it is to struggle as a single parent. I still believe a lot of people on the dole are financially better off than those working. At the height of the boom there was approx 160k people on the dole, today there is over 200k, I need 2-3 people and no body is applying, those that do want a letter to say they didnt get the job or the last guy wanted 38k for a 4 day week. The system is flawed." Are you saying all of the people on the dole were out drinking while wearing new Nikes? You're judging everyone on the basis of what you saw and that is unfair.
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"You're a white male working hard in an average job, you will get nothing. If you go to your boss and ask for a raise you will be told that because women are willing to do the job for cheaper they cant give you more. If you put your name on the housing list, you will be told that women, despite abortion being an option to them if they cant afford a child, will be given a home before you. If you lose your job and go for job interviews you will be told you were the highest qualified person to apply, however they need to fill diversity quotas so the ob wont be yours. If you decide to live at home to save money, the women on here will call you a loser, so will other men. You will go through all this to rent a bedroom in a shared house and have no money in your pocket and when you get down in the dumps about it seeing no way to improve, women will come along and tell you that youre down in the dumps because of toxic masculinity and all you need to do is talk about it, and stop being such a toxic person. The only men who get to shrug it aside are men who were fortunate enough to get a job that allows them to live a comfortable life, and then all the women they meet will tell them "I didn't burn my bra, dont blame me for that, you can pick up the bill thanks". " It's a new record. You lost me after only the third word this time.
The overwhelming majority of males in the Irish workplace are white and I've never yet heard anyone convincingly say that non white males were treated better in the workplace in Ireland that white males | |||
"You're a white male working hard in an average job, you will get nothing. If you go to your boss and ask for a raise you will be told that because women are willing to do the job for cheaper they cant give you more. If you put your name on the housing list, you will be told that women, despite abortion being an option to them if they cant afford a child, will be given a home before you. If you lose your job and go for job interviews you will be told you were the highest qualified person to apply, however they need to fill diversity quotas so the ob wont be yours. If you decide to live at home to save money, the women on here will call you a loser, so will other men. You will go through all this to rent a bedroom in a shared house and have no money in your pocket and when you get down in the dumps about it seeing no way to improve, women will come along and tell you that youre down in the dumps because of toxic masculinity and all you need to do is talk about it, and stop being such a toxic person. The only men who get to shrug it aside are men who were fortunate enough to get a job that allows them to live a comfortable life, and then all the women they meet will tell them "I didn't burn my bra, dont blame me for that, you can pick up the bill thanks". " In fairness, this dude is dead right. The oppression of white men must end!!! | |||
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"You're a white male working hard in an average job, you will get nothing. If you go to your boss and ask for a raise you will be told that because women are willing to do the job for cheaper they cant give you more. If you put your name on the housing list, you will be told that women, despite abortion being an option to them if they cant afford a child, will be given a home before you. If you lose your job and go for job interviews you will be told you were the highest qualified person to apply, however they need to fill diversity quotas so the ob wont be yours. If you decide to live at home to save money, the women on here will call you a loser, so will other men. You will go through all this to rent a bedroom in a shared house and have no money in your pocket and when you get down in the dumps about it seeing no way to improve, women will come along and tell you that youre down in the dumps because of toxic masculinity and all you need to do is talk about it, and stop being such a toxic person. The only men who get to shrug it aside are men who were fortunate enough to get a job that allows them to live a comfortable life, and then all the women they meet will tell them "I didn't burn my bra, dont blame me for that, you can pick up the bill thanks". In fairness, this dude is dead right. The oppression of white men must end!!! "Who's oppressing us in Ireland?
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"You're a white male working hard in an average job, you will get nothing. If you go to your boss and ask for a raise you will be told that because women are willing to do the job for cheaper they cant give you more. If you put your name on the housing list, you will be told that women, despite abortion being an option to them if they cant afford a child, will be given a home before you. If you lose your job and go for job interviews you will be told you were the highest qualified person to apply, however they need to fill diversity quotas so the ob wont be yours. If you decide to live at home to save money, the women on here will call you a loser, so will other men. You will go through all this to rent a bedroom in a shared house and have no money in your pocket and when you get down in the dumps about it seeing no way to improve, women will come along and tell you that youre down in the dumps because of toxic masculinity and all you need to do is talk about it, and stop being such a toxic person. The only men who get to shrug it aside are men who were fortunate enough to get a job that allows them to live a comfortable life, and then all the women they meet will tell them "I didn't burn my bra, dont blame me for that, you can pick up the bill thanks". " Sweet suffering jesus....cop on | |||
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"U never know where life takes u don't judge u don't know everyone's situation there is people get left on dole through no fault of there on sadly not a path everyone chooses " Yes, and not all disabilities are visible. | |||
"You're a white male working hard in an average job, you will get nothing. If you go to your boss and ask for a raise you will be told that because women are willing to do the job for cheaper they cant give you more. If you put your name on the housing list, you will be told that women, despite abortion being an option to them if they cant afford a child, will be given a home before you. If you lose your job and go for job interviews you will be told you were the highest qualified person to apply, however they need to fill diversity quotas so the ob wont be yours. If you decide to live at home to save money, the women on here will call you a loser, so will other men. You will go through all this to rent a bedroom in a shared house and have no money in your pocket and when you get down in the dumps about it seeing no way to improve, women will come along and tell you that youre down in the dumps because of toxic masculinity and all you need to do is talk about it, and stop being such a toxic person. The only men who get to shrug it aside are men who were fortunate enough to get a job that allows them to live a comfortable life, and then all the women they meet will tell them "I didn't burn my bra, dont blame me for that, you can pick up the bill thanks". " Stop reading the daily mail and listening to arseholes like Gemma O'Doherty and the likes ffs. | |||
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"You're a white male working hard in an average job, you will get nothing. If you go to your boss and ask for a raise you will be told that because women are willing to do the job for cheaper they cant give you more. If you put your name on the housing list, you will be told that women, despite abortion being an option to them if they cant afford a child, will be given a home before you. If you lose your job and go for job interviews you will be told you were the highest qualified person to apply, however they need to fill diversity quotas so the ob wont be yours. If you decide to live at home to save money, the women on here will call you a loser, so will other men. You will go through all this to rent a bedroom in a shared house and have no money in your pocket and when you get down in the dumps about it seeing no way to improve, women will come along and tell you that youre down in the dumps because of toxic masculinity and all you need to do is talk about it, and stop being such a toxic person. The only men who get to shrug it aside are men who were fortunate enough to get a job that allows them to live a comfortable life, and then all the women they meet will tell them "I didn't burn my bra, dont blame me for that, you can pick up the bill thanks". Stop reading the daily mail and listening to arseholes like Gemma O'Doherty and the likes ffs. " i was wondering who he sounded like. that woman makes me sick | |||
"Its 1am, I'm just in the door, I was up at 5.30am yesterday morning, yes I work hard and from what I can see there is plenty of work out there, I have two vacant positions I cant fill, but after the budget I feel I'm getting rode without knowing or reaping any benefits of a ride. Feel free to lynch me and tar and feather me but I feel aggrieved...... People on the dole are getting a Christmas bonus for doing nothing year in year out, retailers cant fill seasonal xmas vacancies despite all these people allegedly looking for work yet our Govt deems it good practice to reward people for doing nothing, pay people well to do nothing and they will do nothing very well........ Where I live I see people on the dole driving better cars than people out working, I'm like wtf... I understand there are some people on the dole for reasons out of their control but I believe alot of them are taking the pi$$, when is the Govt going to reward the working person? Instead they remove my braces, lower my britches and take me for a ride, does anyone else feel the same? Forgive my ignorance but I'd love to hear from someone on the dole and hear their perspective on the issue or from other working or self employed people, I couldn't post this on any other social media for fear of being lynched, #RANTOVER" Your damn right, regardless of what people think your clocking the hours. Some will reply and say your this or that without knowing your background! Others will bash you because your too honest with your words and it touches to close to home for them. Whilst many hard working people will applaud your honesty but be too afraid of being lynched to say anything. I believe if you are healthy but take any form of hand out you should have to work in some make or form to repay the taxpayer, it can be only a couple of hours a day doing charity work or home help but contribute to the society rather than being a leech. | |||
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"Yes .the truth always hurts ...to many spungers in this country .and if someone like that guy speaks out he's classed a racists or some other ...good on ya .." I mean just the fact you linked race to spungers might gove an insight to that | |||
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"This post stinks of privilege. " No it just stinks | |||
"Its 1am, I'm just in the door, I was up at 5.30am yesterday morning, yes I work hard and from what I can see there is plenty of work out there, I have two vacant positions I cant fill, but after the budget I feel I'm getting rode without knowing or reaping any benefits of a ride. Feel free to lynch me and tar and feather me but I feel aggrieved...... People on the dole are getting a Christmas bonus for doing nothing year in year out, retailers cant fill seasonal xmas vacancies despite all these people allegedly looking for work yet our Govt deems it good practice to reward people for doing nothing, pay people well to do nothing and they will do nothing very well........ Where I live I see people on the dole driving better cars than people out working, I'm like wtf... I understand there are some people on the dole for reasons out of their control but I believe alot of them are taking the pi$$, when is the Govt going to reward the working person? Instead they remove my braces, lower my britches and take me for a ride, does anyone else feel the same? Forgive my ignorance but I'd love to hear from someone on the dole and hear their perspective on the issue or from other working or self employed people, I couldn't post this on any other social media for fear of being lynched, #RANTOVER Your damn right, regardless of what people think your clocking the hours. Some will reply and say your this or that without knowing your background! Others will bash you because your too honest with your words and it touches to close to home for them. Whilst many hard working people will applaud your honesty but be too afraid of being lynched to say anything. I believe if you are healthy but take any form of hand out you should have to work in some make or form to repay the taxpayer, it can be only a couple of hours a day doing charity work or home help but contribute to the society rather than being a leech." Well said!!! Of course there are people that are well deserving of the dole and a very small minority of those are unable to do so because of physical or physiological issues, but the vast majority who have none of these issues that I highlighted, but are deserving should at the very least be expected to carry out (even for only a couple of hours per week) some charity work or community scheme, not only for the benefit of where they live but also for their own piece of mind and well being. Being privileged to having to be up at 5.30am and not home till 1am the following morning is a ridicules statement to make, if that hard working business owner gets sick tomorrow....there is absolutely nothing there by this government to benefit him. If a recession hits again and businesses close, the business owners are not entitled to a penny.....dole or otherwise. So as stated previously “go on the dole if it’s that good”, unfortunately it is not an option to those who are long self-employed. | |||
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"I know nobody asked to hear it but I'm gonna tell you my story in the hopes that maybe you'll all think a little more before you judge people. I got pregnant at 19 in college. I still managed to graduate despite working a part time job in a deli, commuting from dundalk to Dublin for classes, paying for childcare for my baby, and living alone in a house with her. I didn't make a single friend. I never drank in the college bar. But I got a 1st in my degree and I was proud. I then walked into the middle of the recession. The only graduate jobs for young people were unpaid internships. I couldn't do one and still pay rent and childcare costs, so I had to keep working in the deli part time and go on dole. I was the first person in my extremely middle class family to ever go on the dole. It was humiliating and I was ashamed. While I kept trying to find work that was relevant to my degree I did 2 FAS courses and 3 Job Bridge Schemes. I applied and applied for job after job and never heard a word back. Even when the economy started to pick up and jobs became available, starting salaries were so low that again, they weren't an option for me. So I stayed at the deli and dole. But I kept trying. I refused to give up. It took me 7 years to find a job that was relevant to my degree and that paid enough to cover our living costs. But guess what? My rent went up. I was now paying 1,300 for a 2 bed apartment in Louth. So I had to go straight back to the dole with my tail between my legs where they offered me a small weekly payment on top of my salary to help with rent. My daughter is now 9. We're still in our little apartment. And I'm still on the dole. It's also worth mentioning, especially because yesterday was world mental health day, that long term unemployment seriously fucks with your mental health. Working gives us a sense of pride and dignity and a feeling that we are contributing to society, that we have value. Other people respect us for it, and we respect ourselves too. Applying and applying for job after job and being rejected over and over again for years made me feel that I had none of that. I eventually started to think that I was a piece of shit with nothing to offer, just taking from society and giving nothing back. After all those years of KILLING myself to get that degree, I'd really started to think, "maybe I'll amount to nothing after all... Maybe all I'll ever be is a single mam on the dole". And hearing people like those on this thread talk about how people on the dole are some sort of viral plague destroying the country didn't help. This is all majorly contributed to me being on antidepressants by the time I was 25 and honestly, spending my days dreaming about my death and how my daughter would do better without me - a failure - dragging her down. Heavy shit for a swinging forum - I know. Now I'm very happy to say that I have a job that I love and that fullfills me and I'm fucking briisnt at. I pay tax. My daughters doing great in school. We're still in our little apartment. And yes, I'm still on the dole to help pay for it. I've worked hard to let go of any shame I built up over those years, and I'm extremely fucking proud of who I am. Now, I have no doubt that you, op, have worked very hard all of your life. No doubt at all. And I can also have compassion for you and imagine it must be frustrating to think that we're all lazing about the place having a great time. But you're wrong. And you can't claim ignorance as an excuse for your total lack of humanity once you've read this. Maybe you'll read this and role your eyes. Maybe you'll take 1 look at it and say, "fuck it, not reading all that". But hopefully you'll read it and say, "jesus, I'm so lucky that wasn't me" and be a little less judgemental, self righteous and degradung about people whose circumstances you know absolutely nothing about in future. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk x " Well said girl no one knows how hard and depressing it is staying at home .i would kill to be able to go back to work for my sanity but my pain takes over my life and have done the last 11years | |||
"This kind of thread is always a good way of filtering bitter right wing bigots. "Or left wing social justice warrior snowflakes who cant tackle an issue without attacking a person with insults. Thank god I am neither. | |||
"I know nobody asked to hear it but I'm gonna tell you my story in the hopes that maybe you'll all think a little more before you judge people. I got pregnant at 19 in college. I still managed to graduate despite working a part time job in a deli, commuting from dundalk to Dublin for classes, paying for childcare for my baby, and living alone in a house with her. I didn't make a single friend. I never drank in the college bar. But I got a 1st in my degree and I was proud. I then walked into the middle of the recession. The only graduate jobs for young people were unpaid internships. I couldn't do one and still pay rent and childcare costs, so I had to keep working in the deli part time and go on dole. I was the first person in my extremely middle class family to ever go on the dole. It was humiliating and I was ashamed. While I kept trying to find work that was relevant to my degree I did 2 FAS courses and 3 Job Bridge Schemes. I applied and applied for job after job and never heard a word back. Even when the economy started to pick up and jobs became available, starting salaries were so low that again, they weren't an option for me. So I stayed at the deli and dole. But I kept trying. I refused to give up. It took me 7 years to find a job that was relevant to my degree and that paid enough to cover our living costs. But guess what? My rent went up. I was now paying 1,300 for a 2 bed apartment in Louth. So I had to go straight back to the dole with my tail between my legs where they offered me a small weekly payment on top of my salary to help with rent. My daughter is now 9. We're still in our little apartment. And I'm still on the dole. It's also worth mentioning, especially because yesterday was world mental health day, that long term unemployment seriously fucks with your mental health. Working gives us a sense of pride and dignity and a feeling that we are contributing to society, that we have value. Other people respect us for it, and we respect ourselves too. Applying and applying for job after job and being rejected over and over again for years made me feel that I had none of that. I eventually started to think that I was a piece of shit with nothing to offer, just taking from society and giving nothing back. After all those years of KILLING myself to get that degree, I'd really started to think, "maybe I'll amount to nothing after all... Maybe all I'll ever be is a single mam on the dole". And hearing people like those on this thread talk about how people on the dole are some sort of viral plague destroying the country didn't help. This is all majorly contributed to me being on antidepressants by the time I was 25 and honestly, spending my days dreaming about my death and how my daughter would do better without me - a failure - dragging her down. Heavy shit for a swinging forum - I know. Now I'm very happy to say that I have a job that I love and that fullfills me and I'm fucking briisnt at. I pay tax. My daughters doing great in school. We're still in our little apartment. And yes, I'm still on the dole to help pay for it. I've worked hard to let go of any shame I built up over those years, and I'm extremely fucking proud of who I am. Now, I have no doubt that you, op, have worked very hard all of your life. No doubt at all. And I can also have compassion for you and imagine it must be frustrating to think that we're all lazing about the place having a great time. But you're wrong. And you can't claim ignorance as an excuse for your total lack of humanity once you've read this. Maybe you'll read this and role your eyes. Maybe you'll take 1 look at it and say, "fuck it, not reading all that". But hopefully you'll read it and say, "jesus, I'm so lucky that wasn't me" and be a little less judgemental, self righteous and degradung about people whose circumstances you know absolutely nothing about in future. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk x " Great to hear some honesty. Life is a struggle and you have to look after your mental health. Your a real role model, your daughter is very lucky. Great to hear your on the up. Well done | |||
"What's your opinion on this . As I'm sure you have one" Of course there are people playing the system..... Like there are people who work playing the system and stealing from their workplace. And yes the system itsself is flawed and could do alot more to incentivise the long term unemployed back to the work force. However I wouod rather live in a flawed system that drags a few wasters with it than one that leaves people in need behind (yes I am aware we still do that) | |||
"It's a new record. You lost me after only the third word this time.
The overwhelming majority of males in the Irish workplace are white and I've never yet heard anyone convincingly say that non white males were treated better in the workplace in Ireland that white males "I never said non white males were treated better. I said your pay gets limited to account for gender equality. Thats white women. I also said if you lose your job, the drive for diversity will mean its harder for you to get a new one. I never once mentioned non white males, you did. This is probably due to you working in or having a patriarchal mindset, where diversity to you means more men, just different coloured ones. | |||
"It's a new record. You lost me after only the third word this time.
The overwhelming majority of males in the Irish workplace are white and I've never yet heard anyone convincingly say that non white males were treated better in the workplace in Ireland that white males
I never said non white males were treated better. I said your pay gets limited to account for gender equality. Thats white women.
I also said if you lose your job, the drive for diversity will mean its harder for you to get a new one.
I never once mentioned non white males, you did.
This is probably due to you working in or having a patriarchal mindset, where diversity to you means more men, just different coloured ones."Bollocks. Pure and simple. Show your evidence for this apparent difficulty to get a job due to diversity and the limited pay for equality. I'll wait. | |||
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"I have always worked since I was 14 but Christmas Eve 2016 I had to leave the family home in the dead of night with no possessions just me and the kids to start a new life after my bipolar husband had a manic episode and thrashed our family home. I ended up being on social welfare for nearly two years while I picked up the pieces moved from Galway to Kildare and started a new life. It took me a while to find a job that I could work around the school runs. It was a shock to suddenly become a Single Mammy. I couldn't afford childcare I had no one to help with school runs. So I felt like I was in a poverty trap. I am delighted to be back to work but I feel no shame for signing on I needed that support to get me back on my feet. " And this is exactly why we have a social welfare system to help out our citizens when they are in need On the other side there are professional dole spongers that at this stage are probably third generation longterm dole spongers who know the system and how to use it to their best advantage there's big difference between those and the people here that had to avail of the service to get trough a time is oceans apart I think the op was referencing those habitual spongers more than people that use the service for its original purpose In the same breath u can add the top earners that make a massive profit off the blood sweat and tears of others those that profit without paying tax in this country, those bankers that brought us down in 07/08 the greedy people that took cheap money to buy over inflated property then turned it over to NAMA which was run by the same exbankers that loaned the money to the developers that broke us, these developers were paid €250.000.00 a year to run portfolios on behalf of NAMA that same money those financially ruined developers used to buy back their empires at reduced rates while their bad loans were pardoned Then there's ur representatives that set up the mechanisms which were used to refinance the old boys club that once again run's riot over this little country those same representatives that want to back a plan to cut down trees in the urban sprawl of dublin to facilitate bus corridors and cycle lanes instead of taking the bold move to ban the car between the canals and city centres of our major cities investing in public transport instead of roads to take even more cars that we are trying to rid our selfs of Somewhereas amongst all that rhetoric there's is sence if only the powers that be could see it we would all live in a better ireland and with a caring state looking after its citizens first | |||
"I have always worked since I was 14 but Christmas Eve 2016 I had to leave the family home in the dead of night with no possessions just me and the kids to start a new life after my bipolar husband had a manic episode and thrashed our family home. I ended up being on social welfare for nearly two years while I picked up the pieces moved from Galway to Kildare and started a new life. It took me a while to find a job that I could work around the school runs. It was a shock to suddenly become a Single Mammy. I couldn't afford childcare I had no one to help with school runs. So I felt like I was in a poverty trap. I am delighted to be back to work but I feel no shame for signing on I needed that support to get me back on my feet. And this is exactly why we have a social welfare system to help out our citizens when they are in need On the other side there are professional dole spongers that at this stage are probably third generation longterm dole spongers who know the system and how to use it to their best advantage there's big difference between those and the people here that had to avail of the service to get trough a time is oceans apart I think the op was referencing those habitual spongers more than people that use the service for its original purpose In the same breath u can add the top earners that make a massive profit off the blood sweat and tears of others those that profit without paying tax in this country, those bankers that brought us down in 07/08 the greedy people that took cheap money to buy over inflated property then turned it over to NAMA which was run by the same exbankers that loaned the money to the developers that broke us, these developers were paid €250.000.00 a year to run portfolios on behalf of NAMA that same money those financially ruined developers used to buy back their empires at reduced rates while their bad loans were pardoned Then there's ur representatives that set up the mechanisms which were used to refinance the old boys club that once again run's riot over this little country those same representatives that want to back a plan to cut down trees in the urban sprawl of dublin to facilitate bus corridors and cycle lanes instead of taking the bold move to ban the car between the canals and city centres of our major cities investing in public transport instead of roads to take even more cars that we are trying to rid our selfs of Somewhereas amongst all that rhetoric there's is sence if only the powers that be could see it we would all live in a better ireland and with a caring state looking after its citizens first " #itstimetostandupforthepersonthatgetsup | |||
"Its 1am, I'm just in the door, I was up at 5.30am yesterday morning, yes I work hard and from what I can see there is plenty of work out there, I have two vacant positions I cant fill, but after the budget I feel I'm getting rode without knowing or reaping any benefits of a ride. Feel free to lynch me and tar and feather me but I feel aggrieved...... People on the dole are getting a Christmas bonus for doing nothing year in year out, retailers cant fill seasonal xmas vacancies despite all these people allegedly looking for work yet our Govt deems it good practice to reward people for doing nothing, pay people well to do nothing and they will do nothing very well........ Where I live I see people on the dole driving better cars than people out working, I'm like wtf... I understand there are some people on the dole for reasons out of their control but I believe alot of them are taking the pi$$, when is the Govt going to reward the working person? Instead they remove my braces, lower my britches and take me for a ride, does anyone else feel the same? Forgive my ignorance but I'd love to hear from someone on the dole and hear their perspective on the issue or from other working or self employed people, I couldn't post this on any other social media for fear of being lynched, #RANTOVER" There are people who would prefer to not be on it but then there is the 3rd or 4th generation unemployed . Basically it like the way if Ur father is a teacher u become a teacher, people go on the dole because their father did. | |||
"Its 1am, I'm just in the door, I was up at 5.30am yesterday morning, yes I work hard and from what I can see there is plenty of work out there, I have two vacant positions I cant fill, but after the budget I feel I'm getting rode without knowing or reaping any benefits of a ride. Feel free to lynch me and tar and feather me but I feel aggrieved...... People on the dole are getting a Christmas bonus for doing nothing year in year out, retailers cant fill seasonal xmas vacancies despite all these people allegedly looking for work yet our Govt deems it good practice to reward people for doing nothing, pay people well to do nothing and they will do nothing very well........ Where I live I see people on the dole driving better cars than people out working, I'm like wtf... I understand there are some people on the dole for reasons out of their control but I believe alot of them are taking the pi$$, when is the Govt going to reward the working person? Instead they remove my braces, lower my britches and take me for a ride, does anyone else feel the same? Forgive my ignorance but I'd love to hear from someone on the dole and hear their perspective on the issue or from other working or self employed people, I couldn't post this on any other social media for fear of being lynched, #RANTOVER" There's plenty of "employers" business" people" that go to great lengths to avoid paying tax and paying employees as little as possible, aren't they as bad as those who milk the dole system? Some of these are seen as God's gift but in truth behind the scenes are pure rouges. You say you started at 5.30 am in the morning and are in the door at 1 am the next, I suggest that if you have to do those hours then you should reflect on your business model, work to live not live to work. I am friendly with a bloke who has his own business with two employees and has a comfortable life from it and he works 8 to 5.30, closes for lunch and is out the door on the button at closing time. His motto is little is more and small is beautiful. BTW if I done the hours you say I wouldn't come on her for a look let alone go to the bother of posting a rant. If you have 2 jobs available and are a decent employer paying a decent wage then getting 2 people shouldn't be so bad. Not referring to you as I have no way of knowing what you pay employees but there are plenty out there that advertise jobs for the minimum wage, it'd hardly pay a single person to work for that let alone anyone with a family? I was on the dole for a few years during the downturn and done a few courses, partly for something to do, partly hoping to get a job. Some courses I paid for (thousands of €) others through state agencies and I might as well have drank the money I spent because I haven't gotten a job where anyone was interested in the qualifications but hey ho such is life and I'll soldier on. I only got €188 per week for the 1st 9 months and that was reduced because I had saved a few quid and was seen as means, cursed if you don't save and cursed if you do. | |||
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"Worked for 35yrs. Out of work for two years. Not having great success yet but trying to get back to it. Claiming dole of about €300 a week. If anyone seriously thinks I'm living it up on that, whilst still contributing to mortgage, you need to go check yourself! Plus, you think about how much I paid into the system during my time. I'd have to be on the dole for 40yrs to get it paid back FFS! " Exactly what the system is there for as as bridge but not what the op was ranting about john And honestly u should be able without prejudice to freeze by agreement ur mortgage that would give u the space to concentrate ur efforts again our representatives wouldn't dare suggest this because their buddies might have to wait a tad longer for their pound of flesh | |||
"Worked for 35yrs. Out of work for two years. Not having great success yet but trying to get back to it. Claiming dole of about €300 a week. If anyone seriously thinks I'm living it up on that, whilst still contributing to mortgage, you need to go check yourself! Plus, you think about how much I paid into the system during my time. I'd have to be on the dole for 40yrs to get it paid back FFS! Exactly what the system is there for as as bridge but not what the op was ranting about john And honestly u should be able without prejudice to freeze by agreement ur mortgage that would give u the space to concentrate ur efforts again our representatives wouldn't dare suggest this because their buddies might have to wait a tad longer for their pound of flesh " Thanks CJ. I'll look into that
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"This post stinks of privilege. " It's not privilege that this post stinks of, but othering and alienation. It also points to a small mind with a very narrow view of the world. There is so much wrong with it, it's hard to know where to begin! I shall start though with this point - we are all tax payers, everyone of us, with or without a job pays tax. Over the last two decades income tax has only accounted for between 30%-40% of the total tax take. Therefore the idea that you - the employed, are paying for everyone on the dole is a fallacy. VAT and excise make up roughly 40% of the take so it's a fair argument to make that as a percentage of their income, people on the dole pay as much if not more than those who are employed. This is certainly the case when you look at the highest earners who can afford expensive tax accountants. You say you're just attacking the Government for a system that doesn't work! To which system are you referring, they're are many? The social welfare system? The tax system or is it "the system" in general? The social welfare is there for the protection of all members of society. Yes it has it's flaws and cheats, but can you imagine how different things on this island would be if all the different welfare payments where cancelled. Crime statistics would rise so sharply and rapidly that you certainly wouldn't be able to sleep safely in your bed or walk the streets without fear if this were the case. The tax system. Absolutely it's flawed, all one has to do is take a look at corporation tax. Foreign multi nationals pay an effective tax rate of less than 5%, the Irish Government is in court in an attempt to stop Apple paying us €13 billion that the EU says it owes. Income tax lays the biggest burden on the middle income earners, something I'm guessing you know lots about. "The system" meaning our Government, well yes, the most flawed of the lot. Look at how they are using the right wing media to further their agenda to other and alienate, to divide and concur. If you want to attack them do so. Call them out on the ridiculous price of insurance, something which killing entrepreneurship and adding to the crazy cost of living. Call them out on their woeful mismanagement of the health service. Call them out on their lack of investment in public transport or infrastructure. There is any amount of things you could attack them for but no it's much easier to attack people on the dole, make assumptions about them all and blame them for everything that's wrong in your life. You need to have a word with yourself. | |||
"It's a new record. You lost me after only the third word this time.
The overwhelming majority of males in the Irish workplace are white and I've never yet heard anyone convincingly say that non white males were treated better in the workplace in Ireland that white males
I never said non white males were treated better. I said your pay gets limited to account for gender equality. Thats white women.
I also said if you lose your job, the drive for diversity will mean its harder for you to get a new one.
I never once mentioned non white males, you did.
This is probably due to you working in or having a patriarchal mindset, where diversity to you means more men, just different coloured ones."Your third word was white. You said white males are basically hard done by which is a clear statement that some other coloured males aren't so you needn't try twisting it to suggest that someone else introduced race into it. Now if you just meant males were hard done by I'm sure you'd have said that. I'm still curious as to who is oppressing you? It's amusing that you're the one "feeling oppressed as a white male" yet everyone else is a snowflake. Too much breitbart methinks.
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"I know nobody asked to hear it but I'm gonna tell you my story in the hopes that maybe you'll all think a little more before you judge people. I got pregnant at 19 in college. I still managed to graduate despite working a part time job in a deli, commuting from dundalk to Dublin for classes, paying for childcare for my baby, and living alone in a house with her. I didn't make a single friend. I never drank in the college bar. But I got a 1st in my degree and I was proud. I then walked into the middle of the recession. The only graduate jobs for young people were unpaid internships. I couldn't do one and still pay rent and childcare costs, so I had to keep working in the deli part time and go on dole. I was the first person in my extremely middle class family to ever go on the dole. It was humiliating and I was ashamed. While I kept trying to find work that was relevant to my degree I did 2 FAS courses and 3 Job Bridge Schemes. I applied and applied for job after job and never heard a word back. Even when the economy started to pick up and jobs became available, starting salaries were so low that again, they weren't an option for me. So I stayed at the deli and dole. But I kept trying. I refused to give up. It took me 7 years to find a job that was relevant to my degree and that paid enough to cover our living costs. But guess what? My rent went up. I was now paying 1,300 for a 2 bed apartment in Louth. So I had to go straight back to the dole with my tail between my legs where they offered me a small weekly payment on top of my salary to help with rent. My daughter is now 9. We're still in our little apartment. And I'm still on the dole. It's also worth mentioning, especially because yesterday was world mental health day, that long term unemployment seriously fucks with your mental health. Working gives us a sense of pride and dignity and a feeling that we are contributing to society, that we have value. Other people respect us for it, and we respect ourselves too. Applying and applying for job after job and being rejected over and over again for years made me feel that I had none of that. I eventually started to think that I was a piece of shit with nothing to offer, just taking from society and giving nothing back. After all those years of KILLING myself to get that degree, I'd really started to think, "maybe I'll amount to nothing after all... Maybe all I'll ever be is a single mam on the dole". And hearing people like those on this thread talk about how people on the dole are some sort of viral plague destroying the country didn't help. This is all majorly contributed to me being on antidepressants by the time I was 25 and honestly, spending my days dreaming about my death and how my daughter would do better without me - a failure - dragging her down. Heavy shit for a swinging forum - I know. Now I'm very happy to say that I have a job that I love and that fullfills me and I'm fucking briisnt at. I pay tax. My daughters doing great in school. We're still in our little apartment. And yes, I'm still on the dole to help pay for it. I've worked hard to let go of any shame I built up over those years, and I'm extremely fucking proud of who I am. Now, I have no doubt that you, op, have worked very hard all of your life. No doubt at all. And I can also have compassion for you and imagine it must be frustrating to think that we're all lazing about the place having a great time. But you're wrong. And you can't claim ignorance as an excuse for your total lack of humanity once you've read this. Maybe you'll read this and role your eyes. Maybe you'll take 1 look at it and say, "fuck it, not reading all that". But hopefully you'll read it and say, "jesus, I'm so lucky that wasn't me" and be a little less judgemental, self righteous and degradung about people whose circumstances you know absolutely nothing about in future. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk x " Some story - fair play for sharing. May help people to appreciate the difficulties faced by some people in society. People tend to gauge things by the worst examples. There will always be malingerers screwing the system but there are more genuine people getting benefits. Anyone could end up in the welfare line in the future - Id like to think people would be compassionate rather than begrudging about it. | |||
"I know nobody asked to hear it but I'm gonna tell you my story in the hopes that maybe you'll all think a little more before you judge people. I got pregnant at 19 in college. I still managed to graduate despite working a part time job in a deli, commuting from dundalk to Dublin for classes, paying for childcare for my baby, and living alone in a house with her. I didn't make a single friend. I never drank in the college bar. But I got a 1st in my degree and I was proud. I then walked into the middle of the recession. The only graduate jobs for young people were unpaid internships. I couldn't do one and still pay rent and childcare costs, so I had to keep working in the deli part time and go on dole. I was the first person in my extremely middle class family to ever go on the dole. It was humiliating and I was ashamed. While I kept trying to find work that was relevant to my degree I did 2 FAS courses and 3 Job Bridge Schemes. I applied and applied for job after job and never heard a word back. Even when the economy started to pick up and jobs became available, starting salaries were so low that again, they weren't an option for me. So I stayed at the deli and dole. But I kept trying. I refused to give up. It took me 7 years to find a job that was relevant to my degree and that paid enough to cover our living costs. But guess what? My rent went up. I was now paying 1,300 for a 2 bed apartment in Louth. So I had to go straight back to the dole with my tail between my legs where they offered me a small weekly payment on top of my salary to help with rent. My daughter is now 9. We're still in our little apartment. And I'm still on the dole. It's also worth mentioning, especially because yesterday was world mental health day, that long term unemployment seriously fucks with your mental health. Working gives us a sense of pride and dignity and a feeling that we are contributing to society, that we have value. Other people respect us for it, and we respect ourselves too. Applying and applying for job after job and being rejected over and over again for years made me feel that I had none of that. I eventually started to think that I was a piece of shit with nothing to offer, just taking from society and giving nothing back. After all those years of KILLING myself to get that degree, I'd really started to think, "maybe I'll amount to nothing after all... Maybe all I'll ever be is a single mam on the dole". And hearing people like those on this thread talk about how people on the dole are some sort of viral plague destroying the country didn't help. This is all majorly contributed to me being on antidepressants by the time I was 25 and honestly, spending my days dreaming about my death and how my daughter would do better without me - a failure - dragging her down. Heavy shit for a swinging forum - I know. Now I'm very happy to say that I have a job that I love and that fullfills me and I'm fucking briisnt at. I pay tax. My daughters doing great in school. We're still in our little apartment. And yes, I'm still on the dole to help pay for it. I've worked hard to let go of any shame I built up over those years, and I'm extremely fucking proud of who I am. Now, I have no doubt that you, op, have worked very hard all of your life. No doubt at all. And I can also have compassion for you and imagine it must be frustrating to think that we're all lazing about the place having a great time. But you're wrong. And you can't claim ignorance as an excuse for your total lack of humanity once you've read this. Maybe you'll read this and role your eyes. Maybe you'll take 1 look at it and say, "fuck it, not reading all that". But hopefully you'll read it and say, "jesus, I'm so lucky that wasn't me" and be a little less judgemental, self righteous and degradung about people whose circumstances you know absolutely nothing about in future. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk x " Fair play | |||
"Ok so a different perspective on this. A happily married couple with children both parents working when tragically one of the parents dies with no warning,now you have a single dad/mam trying to raise the children alone while still out working but then one of the children is diagnosed with something and someone that doesnt know the child decides that the living spouse should now not work because the child needs care and it is unfair to ask a childminder to carry out this care. The living spouse now has to give up work and rely on the system to care for them and their children,do you honestly believe that was a choice they made willingly?no i highly doubt this is how they envisaged their life. But this is the truth in so many cases and yet people then look down on them because they rely on state help. Before anybody jumps on me no this thankfully is not my reality but i do know people it has happened to. So before blasting people who rely on the state maybe we as people should find out the whole story before judging anybody. Yes the system is flawed in so many ways and needs to be rectified so that the people who need help the most get it but that is unlikely to happen but i dont see the need to belittle the ones who truely do need help and i know it will be said that they are not belittleing the ones who need the help but by posting in public about all the dole people you are in fact hitting out at them unintentional as it may be" Yes this is very familiar | |||
"I fully agree with dole and helping those that fall on hard times and make a living out of it. The dole when used for what it was designed for is brilliant, however I dont believe it is policed properly. We should have people on dole do work in the community, help tidy towns committees, volunteer in a struggling business to save the other peoples jobs there who are working hard to pay their dole. I just feel the working class is taken for a ride" This I totally agree with, if they can’t “find” a job give them some community service to enrich the lives of themselves and the people that are out working all day every day to pay for them to stay at home. Obviously there are some genuine cases of people that need to be on the dole and that’s fine. But the amount of slackers that have NEVER EVER done a days work in their lives are the ones that need to be given projects to work on or their allowances should get less and less until they contribute to society or get a job to top up the dole purse. | |||
"I know nobody asked to hear it but I'm gonna tell you my story in the hopes that maybe you'll all think a little more before you judge people. I got pregnant at 19 in college. I still managed to graduate despite working a part time job in a deli, commuting from dundalk to Dublin for classes, paying for childcare for my baby, and living alone in a house with her. I didn't make a single friend. I never drank in the college bar. But I got a 1st in my degree and I was proud. I then walked into the middle of the recession. The only graduate jobs for young people were unpaid internships. I couldn't do one and still pay rent and childcare costs, so I had to keep working in the deli part time and go on dole. I was the first person in my extremely middle class family to ever go on the dole. It was humiliating and I was ashamed. While I kept trying to find work that was relevant to my degree I did 2 FAS courses and 3 Job Bridge Schemes. I applied and applied for job after job and never heard a word back. Even when the economy started to pick up and jobs became available, starting salaries were so low that again, they weren't an option for me. So I stayed at the deli and dole. But I kept trying. I refused to give up. It took me 7 years to find a job that was relevant to my degree and that paid enough to cover our living costs. But guess what? My rent went up. I was now paying 1,300 for a 2 bed apartment in Louth. So I had to go straight back to the dole with my tail between my legs where they offered me a small weekly payment on top of my salary to help with rent. My daughter is now 9. We're still in our little apartment. And I'm still on the dole. It's also worth mentioning, especially because yesterday was world mental health day, that long term unemployment seriously fucks with your mental health. Working gives us a sense of pride and dignity and a feeling that we are contributing to society, that we have value. Other people respect us for it, and we respect ourselves too. Applying and applying for job after job and being rejected over and over again for years made me feel that I had none of that. I eventually started to think that I was a piece of shit with nothing to offer, just taking from society and giving nothing back. After all those years of KILLING myself to get that degree, I'd really started to think, "maybe I'll amount to nothing after all... Maybe all I'll ever be is a single mam on the dole". And hearing people like those on this thread talk about how people on the dole are some sort of viral plague destroying the country didn't help. This is all majorly contributed to me being on antidepressants by the time I was 25 and honestly, spending my days dreaming about my death and how my daughter would do better without me - a failure - dragging her down. Heavy shit for a swinging forum - I know. Now I'm very happy to say that I have a job that I love and that fullfills me and I'm fucking briisnt at. I pay tax. My daughters doing great in school. We're still in our little apartment. And yes, I'm still on the dole to help pay for it. I've worked hard to let go of any shame I built up over those years, and I'm extremely fucking proud of who I am. Now, I have no doubt that you, op, have worked very hard all of your life. No doubt at all. And I can also have compassion for you and imagine it must be frustrating to think that we're all lazing about the place having a great time. But you're wrong. And you can't claim ignorance as an excuse for your total lack of humanity once you've read this. Maybe you'll read this and role your eyes. Maybe you'll take 1 look at it and say, "fuck it, not reading all that". But hopefully you'll read it and say, "jesus, I'm so lucky that wasn't me" and be a little less judgemental, self righteous and degradung about people whose circumstances you know absolutely nothing about in future. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk x " I applaud your honesty and for sticking it out. | |||
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"Its 1am, I'm just in the door, I was up at 5.30am yesterday morning, yes I work hard and from what I can see there is plenty of work out there, I have two vacant positions I cant fill, but after the budget I feel I'm getting rode without knowing or reaping any benefits of a ride. Feel free to lynch me and tar and feather me but I feel aggrieved...... People on the dole are getting a Christmas bonus for doing nothing year in year out, retailers cant fill seasonal xmas vacancies despite all these people allegedly looking for work yet our Govt deems it good practice to reward people for doing nothing, pay people well to do nothing and they will do nothing very well........ Where I live I see people on the dole driving better cars than people out working, I'm like wtf... I understand there are some people on the dole for reasons out of their control but I believe alot of them are taking the pi$$, when is the Govt going to reward the working person? Instead they remove my braces, lower my britches and take me for a ride, does anyone else feel the same? Forgive my ignorance but I'd love to hear from someone on the dole and hear their perspective on the issue or from other working or self employed people, I couldn't post this on any other social media for fear of being lynched, #RANTOVER" Your ignorance is amazing, probably voted FG or FF or didn't even bother, and now you want to blame the poor or people living in disadvantaged areas. Your ignorance towards protesters is disgusting also, iv been to many protests, work full time, and majority of people I know are the same, and because of those people you have one less bill to pay, and they keep pressure on the government so they don't have free reign. I'm was on the dole before, while in college, working and protesting, what does that make me? A waster, a sponger? Many people grow up in disadvantaged areas with parents who were never encouraged or given inspiration or the confidence to aspire to be more than a low paid worker or dole recipient, that's not that child's fault, what chance does a child growing up in that situation have in comparison to someone who was born into a wealthy family, parents who can afford private school or tutoring, being raised by and around people who are given the confidence and tools to aspire to be whatever they want because they can afford it. The problem in this country is a class devide, inequality and ignorant privileged people like you. If you don't like it, then stop voting for the fools in power, or go on the dole and see how well you get by on 180 euro a week. | |||
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"Its 1am, I'm just in the door, I was up at 5.30am yesterday morning, yes I work hard and from what I can see there is plenty of work out there, I have two vacant positions I cant fill, but after the budget I feel I'm getting rode without knowing or reaping any benefits of a ride. Feel free to lynch me and tar and feather me but I feel aggrieved...... People on the dole are getting a Christmas bonus for doing nothing year in year out, retailers cant fill seasonal xmas vacancies despite all these people allegedly looking for work yet our Govt deems it good practice to reward people for doing nothing, pay people well to do nothing and they will do nothing very well........ Where I live I see people on the dole driving better cars than people out working, I'm like wtf... I understand there are some people on the dole for reasons out of their control but I believe alot of them are taking the pi$$, when is the Govt going to reward the working person? Instead they remove my braces, lower my britches and take me for a ride, does anyone else feel the same? Forgive my ignorance but I'd love to hear from someone on the dole and hear their perspective on the issue or from other working or self employed people, I couldn't post this on any other social media for fear of being lynched, #RANTOVER Your damn right, regardless of what people think your clocking the hours. Some will reply and say your this or that without knowing your background! Others will bash you because your too honest with your words and it touches to close to home for them. Whilst many hard working people will applaud your honesty but be too afraid of being lynched to say anything. I believe if you are healthy but take any form of hand out you should have to work in some make or form to repay the taxpayer, it can be only a couple of hours a day doing charity work or home help but contribute to the society rather than being a leech. Well said!!! Of course there are people that are well deserving of the dole and a very small minority of those are unable to do so because of physical or physiological issues, but the vast majority who have none of these issues that I highlighted, but are deserving should at the very least be expected to carry out (even for only a couple of hours per week) some charity work or community scheme, not only for the benefit of where they live but also for their own piece of mind and well being. Being privileged to having to be up at 5.30am and not home till 1am the following morning is a ridicules statement to make, if that hard working business owner gets sick tomorrow....there is absolutely nothing there by this government to benefit him. If a recession hits again and businesses close, the business owners are not entitled to a penny.....dole or otherwise. So as stated previously “go on the dole if it’s that good”, unfortunately it is not an option to those who are long self-employed." It will be though...was it not bought in that self employed people will be able to claim dole from this year on | |||
"Its 1am, I'm just in the door, I was up at 5.30am yesterday morning, yes I work hard and from what I can see there is plenty of work out there, I have two vacant positions I cant fill, but after the budget I feel I'm getting rode without knowing or reaping any benefits of a ride. Feel free to lynch me and tar and feather me but I feel aggrieved...... People on the dole are getting a Christmas bonus for doing nothing year in year out, retailers cant fill seasonal xmas vacancies despite all these people allegedly looking for work yet our Govt deems it good practice to reward people for doing nothing, pay people well to do nothing and they will do nothing very well........ Where I live I see people on the dole driving better cars than people out working, I'm like wtf... I understand there are some people on the dole for reasons out of their control but I believe alot of them are taking the pi$$, when is the Govt going to reward the working person? Instead they remove my braces, lower my britches and take me for a ride, does anyone else feel the same? Forgive my ignorance but I'd love to hear from someone on the dole and hear their perspective on the issue or from other working or self employed people, I couldn't post this on any other social media for fear of being lynched, #RANTOVER Your ignorance is amazing, probably voted FG or FF or didn't even bother, and now you want to blame the poor or people living in disadvantaged areas. Your ignorance towards protesters is disgusting also, iv been to many protests, work full time, and majority of people I know are the same, and because of those people you have one less bill to pay, and they keep pressure on the government so they don't have free reign. I'm was on the dole before, while in college, working and protesting, what does that make me? A waster, a sponger? Many people grow up in disadvantaged areas with parents who were never encouraged or given inspiration or the confidence to aspire to be more than a low paid worker or dole recipient, that's not that child's fault, what chance does a child growing up in that situation have in comparison to someone who was born into a wealthy family, parents who can afford private school or tutoring, being raised by and around people who are given the confidence and tools to aspire to be whatever they want because they can afford it. The problem in this country is a class devide, inequality and ignorant privileged people like you. If you don't like it, then stop voting for the fools in power, or go on the dole and see how well you get by on 180 euro a week. " I am as sorry but u need to rein your self in there bit the op ranted about spongers not people that used the system for the purposes it was meant for Both my parents were hard working people who ended up on benefits due to ill health they still managed to instill a sence of self worth in to me and my siblings also a work ethic that if we want it we can get it trough hard work and effort. I went to school in one of the most disadvantaged areas in the country during the seventies and eighty's. We worked hard one sister has used the social welfare system to bridge between jobs and at that it was a simple system payment. u got enough for u and the amount of kids that was it now there's all kind of payments i have seen normal kids hyped up on redbull and smarties sent to school to get approval for schemes that increase welfare payments. No private schools no creches the older kids minded the younger ones with a neighbour or aunt/uncle close by if need, no sence of entitlement the problem in this country is not as class divide but a persistence by the socialist party's here that its them and us rather than u can if u want to | |||
"Its 1am, I'm just in the door, I was up at 5.30am yesterday morning, yes I work hard and from what I can see there is plenty of work out there, I have two vacant positions I cant fill, but after the budget I feel I'm getting rode without knowing or reaping any benefits of a ride. Feel free to lynch me and tar and feather me but I feel aggrieved...... People on the dole are getting a Christmas bonus for doing nothing year in year out, retailers cant fill seasonal xmas vacancies despite all these people allegedly looking for work yet our Govt deems it good practice to reward people for doing nothing, pay people well to do nothing and they will do nothing very well........ Where I live I see people on the dole driving better cars than people out working, I'm like wtf... I understand there are some people on the dole for reasons out of their control but I believe alot of them are taking the pi$$, when is the Govt going to reward the working person? Instead they remove my braces, lower my britches and take me for a ride, does anyone else feel the same? Forgive my ignorance but I'd love to hear from someone on the dole and hear their perspective on the issue or from other working or self employed people, I couldn't post this on any other social media for fear of being lynched, #RANTOVER Your ignorance is amazing, probably voted FG or FF or didn't even bother, and now you want to blame the poor or people living in disadvantaged areas. Your ignorance towards protesters is disgusting also, iv been to many protests, work full time, and majority of people I know are the same, and because of those people you have one less bill to pay, and they keep pressure on the government so they don't have free reign. I'm was on the dole before, while in college, working and protesting, what does that make me? A waster, a sponger? Many people grow up in disadvantaged areas with parents who were never encouraged or given inspiration or the confidence to aspire to be more than a low paid worker or dole recipient, that's not that child's fault, what chance does a child growing up in that situation have in comparison to someone who was born into a wealthy family, parents who can afford private school or tutoring, being raised by and around people who are given the confidence and tools to aspire to be whatever they want because they can afford it. The problem in this country is a class devide, inequality and ignorant privileged people like you. If you don't like it, then stop voting for the fools in power, or go on the dole and see how well you get by on 180 euro a week. I am as sorry but u need to rein your self in there bit the op ranted about spongers not people that used the system for the purposes it was meant for Both my parents were hard working people who ended up on benefits due to ill health they still managed to instill a sence of self worth in to me and my siblings also a work ethic that if we want it we can get it trough hard work and effort. I went to school in one of the most disadvantaged areas in the country during the seventies and eighty's. We worked hard one sister has used the social welfare system to bridge between jobs and at that it was a simple system payment. u got enough for u and the amount of kids that was it now there's all kind of payments i have seen normal kids hyped up on redbull and smarties sent to school to get approval for schemes that increase welfare payments. No private schools no creches the older kids minded the younger ones with a neighbour or aunt/uncle close by if need, no sence of entitlement the problem in this country is not as class divide but a persistence by the socialist party's here that its them and us rather than u can if u want to " But op also said people on dole getting Christmas bonus for doing nothing year after year is that not painting everyone on dole with same brush. | |||
"Its 1am, I'm just in the door, I was up at 5.30am yesterday morning, yes I work hard and from what I can see there is plenty of work out there, I have two vacant positions I cant fill, but after the budget I feel I'm getting rode without knowing or reaping any benefits of a ride. Feel free to lynch me and tar and feather me but I feel aggrieved...... People on the dole are getting a Christmas bonus for doing nothing year in year out, retailers cant fill seasonal xmas vacancies despite all these people allegedly looking for work yet our Govt deems it good practice to reward people for doing nothing, pay people well to do nothing and they will do nothing very well........ Where I live I see people on the dole driving better cars than people out working, I'm like wtf... I understand there are some people on the dole for reasons out of their control but I believe alot of them are taking the pi$$, when is the Govt going to reward the working person? Instead they remove my braces, lower my britches and take me for a ride, does anyone else feel the same? Forgive my ignorance but I'd love to hear from someone on the dole and hear their perspective on the issue or from other working or self employed people, I couldn't post this on any other social media for fear of being lynched, #RANTOVER Your ignorance is amazing, probably voted FG or FF or didn't even bother, and now you want to blame the poor or people living in disadvantaged areas. Your ignorance towards protesters is disgusting also, iv been to many protests, work full time, and majority of people I know are the same, and because of those people you have one less bill to pay, and they keep pressure on the government so they don't have free reign. I'm was on the dole before, while in college, working and protesting, what does that make me? A waster, a sponger? Many people grow up in disadvantaged areas with parents who were never encouraged or given inspiration or the confidence to aspire to be more than a low paid worker or dole recipient, that's not that child's fault, what chance does a child growing up in that situation have in comparison to someone who was born into a wealthy family, parents who can afford private school or tutoring, being raised by and around people who are given the confidence and tools to aspire to be whatever they want because they can afford it. The problem in this country is a class devide, inequality and ignorant privileged people like you. If you don't like it, then stop voting for the fools in power, or go on the dole and see how well you get by on 180 euro a week. I am as sorry but u need to rein your self in there bit the op ranted about spongers not people that used the system for the purposes it was meant for Both my parents were hard working people who ended up on benefits due to ill health they still managed to instill a sence of self worth in to me and my siblings also a work ethic that if we want it we can get it trough hard work and effort. I went to school in one of the most disadvantaged areas in the country during the seventies and eighty's. We worked hard one sister has used the social welfare system to bridge between jobs and at that it was a simple system payment. u got enough for u and the amount of kids that was it now there's all kind of payments i have seen normal kids hyped up on redbull and smarties sent to school to get approval for schemes that increase welfare payments. No private schools no creches the older kids minded the younger ones with a neighbour or aunt/uncle close by if need, no sence of entitlement the problem in this country is not as class divide but a persistence by the socialist party's here that its them and us rather than u can if u want to But op also said people on dole getting Christmas bonus for doing nothing year after year is that not painting everyone on dole with same brush. " He also distinguished between habitual dole abusers and those that use it for the purposes its meant | |||
"Its 1am, I'm just in the door, I was up at 5.30am yesterday morning, yes I work hard and from what I can see there is plenty of work out there, I have two vacant positions I cant fill, but after the budget I feel I'm getting rode without knowing or reaping any benefits of a ride. Feel free to lynch me and tar and feather me but I feel aggrieved...... People on the dole are getting a Christmas bonus for doing nothing year in year out, retailers cant fill seasonal xmas vacancies despite all these people allegedly looking for work yet our Govt deems it good practice to reward people for doing nothing, pay people well to do nothing and they will do nothing very well........ Where I live I see people on the dole driving better cars than people out working, I'm like wtf... I understand there are some people on the dole for reasons out of their control but I believe alot of them are taking the pi$$, when is the Govt going to reward the working person? Instead they remove my braces, lower my britches and take me for a ride, does anyone else feel the same? Forgive my ignorance but I'd love to hear from someone on the dole and hear their perspective on the issue or from other working or self employed people, I couldn't post this on any other social media for fear of being lynched, #RANTOVER Your ignorance is amazing, probably voted FG or FF or didn't even bother, and now you want to blame the poor or people living in disadvantaged areas. Your ignorance towards protesters is disgusting also, iv been to many protests, work full time, and majority of people I know are the same, and because of those people you have one less bill to pay, and they keep pressure on the government so they don't have free reign. I'm was on the dole before, while in college, working and protesting, what does that make me? A waster, a sponger? Many people grow up in disadvantaged areas with parents who were never encouraged or given inspiration or the confidence to aspire to be more than a low paid worker or dole recipient, that's not that child's fault, what chance does a child growing up in that situation have in comparison to someone who was born into a wealthy family, parents who can afford private school or tutoring, being raised by and around people who are given the confidence and tools to aspire to be whatever they want because they can afford it. The problem in this country is a class devide, inequality and ignorant privileged people like you. If you don't like it, then stop voting for the fools in power, or go on the dole and see how well you get by on 180 euro a week. I am as sorry but u need to rein your self in there bit the op ranted about spongers not people that used the system for the purposes it was meant for Both my parents were hard working people who ended up on benefits due to ill health they still managed to instill a sence of self worth in to me and my siblings also a work ethic that if we want it we can get it trough hard work and effort. I went to school in one of the most disadvantaged areas in the country during the seventies and eighty's. We worked hard one sister has used the social welfare system to bridge between jobs and at that it was a simple system payment. u got enough for u and the amount of kids that was it now there's all kind of payments i have seen normal kids hyped up on redbull and smarties sent to school to get approval for schemes that increase welfare payments. No private schools no creches the older kids minded the younger ones with a neighbour or aunt/uncle close by if need, no sence of entitlement the problem in this country is not as class divide but a persistence by the socialist party's here that its them and us rather than u can if u want to " Which socialist party? There's no such thing in this country. I wish there was a proper left. Sure that last bit of propaganda you quote there is just bollix, aimed to keep the working and the middle class quiet and going. | |||
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"Its 1am, I'm just in the door, I was up at 5.30am yesterday morning, yes I work hard and from what I can see there is plenty of work out there, I have two vacant positions I cant fill, but after the budget I feel I'm getting rode without knowing or reaping any benefits of a ride. Feel free to lynch me and tar and feather me but I feel aggrieved...... People on the dole are getting a Christmas bonus for doing nothing year in year out, retailers cant fill seasonal xmas vacancies despite all these people allegedly looking for work yet our Govt deems it good practice to reward people for doing nothing, pay people well to do nothing and they will do nothing very well........ Where I live I see people on the dole driving better cars than people out working, I'm like wtf... I understand there are some people on the dole for reasons out of their control but I believe alot of them are taking the pi$$, when is the Govt going to reward the working person? Instead they remove my braces, lower my britches and take me for a ride, does anyone else feel the same? Forgive my ignorance but I'd love to hear from someone on the dole and hear their perspective on the issue or from other working or self employed people, I couldn't post this on any other social media for fear of being lynched, #RANTOVER Your ignorance is amazing, probably voted FG or FF or didn't even bother, and now you want to blame the poor or people living in disadvantaged areas. Your ignorance towards protesters is disgusting also, iv been to many protests, work full time, and majority of people I know are the same, and because of those people you have one less bill to pay, and they keep pressure on the government so they don't have free reign. I'm was on the dole before, while in college, working and protesting, what does that make me? A waster, a sponger? Many people grow up in disadvantaged areas with parents who were never encouraged or given inspiration or the confidence to aspire to be more than a low paid worker or dole recipient, that's not that child's fault, what chance does a child growing up in that situation have in comparison to someone who was born into a wealthy family, parents who can afford private school or tutoring, being raised by and around people who are given the confidence and tools to aspire to be whatever they want because they can afford it. The problem in this country is a class devide, inequality and ignorant privileged people like you. If you don't like it, then stop voting for the fools in power, or go on the dole and see how well you get by on 180 euro a week. I am as sorry but u need to rein your self in there bit the op ranted about spongers not people that used the system for the purposes it was meant for Both my parents were hard working people who ended up on benefits due to ill health they still managed to instill a sence of self worth in to me and my siblings also a work ethic that if we want it we can get it trough hard work and effort. I went to school in one of the most disadvantaged areas in the country during the seventies and eighty's. We worked hard one sister has used the social welfare system to bridge between jobs and at that it was a simple system payment. u got enough for u and the amount of kids that was it now there's all kind of payments i have seen normal kids hyped up on redbull and smarties sent to school to get approval for schemes that increase welfare payments. No private schools no creches the older kids minded the younger ones with a neighbour or aunt/uncle close by if need, no sence of entitlement the problem in this country is not as class divide but a persistence by the socialist party's here that its them and us rather than u can if u want to Which socialist party? There's no such thing in this country. I wish there was a proper left. Sure that last bit of propaganda you quote there is just bollix, aimed to keep the working and the middle class quiet and going. And which class have u assumed i am ??? I have worked since i was 12 i started delivering milk on saturdays hslf of my days pay small as it was went to my parents to contribute to the family I went from that to a supermarket where u done 20 hrs a week while still in education Then a real 40hr a week job in a factory which i jacked for as n apprenticeship After serving my timed i attended night school and college to further my education To now owning and running my own successful business which has grown and thrived trough recession and boom Not to mention building my own house and that's not getting others to do so but hands on building Fathering and partaking in the raising two wonderful kids who are starting their own journey with the same ethics my parents and grand parents instilled in me There's no smell of privilege here contrary to ur assumptions i got up and done what had to be done if i had to skin rats in an effluent plant i would have and still would (even though i have no experience of food prep) as for the so called socialist party that encourage a scence of entitlement its not my fault they aren't living up to ur expectations" #timetostandupforthepeoplethatgetup | |||
