Seems to be a word women use whenever a man does something they don't like. I don't hear men use it but the same principle applies..
What would make someone toxic to you? The things you can do without in your life.
Ps. I know I am toxic, but I eat pineapple before a meet so at least it tastes sweet. |
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It seems that masculinity is an undesirable trait these days, I hear fireman Sam is considered too masculine as a mascot for a fire service so has been dropped.
It would appear that white, straight men are considered evil by their very existence These days but like everything it’s a phase that will pass and has already seen a reverse in some places.
As for toxic, I don’t think masculinity or femininity are either toxic but people certainly can be. Anyone who encourages devision or animosity towards gender, race, sexuality or religion are toxic in my opinion. |
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A lot of bullshit so far in this thread.
There are males who perpetuate an overbearing "toxic" attitude, where they think they can put a woman down, touch a woman as they please, or have ideas about what a woman can or cannot do. These are the same males who message women here assuming a sense of entitlement to sex, because they are nearby and have a penis.
There are also women who think it's ok to do the same and these are equally toxic.
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We use it in work for people who have lost their motivation and have negitave attitudes that rubs off on others...
I wouldnt have linked it to gender straight off.... interesting..... |
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"A lot of bullshit so far in this thread.
There are males who perpetuate an overbearing "toxic" attitude, where they think they can put a woman down, touch a woman as they please, or have ideas about what a woman can or cannot do. These are the same males who message women here assuming a sense of entitlement to sex, because they are nearby and have a penis.
There are also women who think it's ok to do the same and these are equally toxic.
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Even more bullshit lol |
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The purpose of this thread is on the back of me saying that the OP was toxic in the forums. He gives out he’s not given a chance on here
However when I pointed out he comes across quite toxic on here with his negative comments and bringing the tone of a lot of threads down he didn’t agree and that people see it if they’re lurking or commenting on the forums and that might be why he’s not having success.
To suggest as he did that he was the only honest one being honest and half the men on here are cheating married men is incorrect in my opinion.
No one needs to be an ass just for the sake of it or to provoke others |
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"The purpose of this thread is on the back of me saying that the OP was toxic in the forums. He gives out he’s not given a chance on here
However when I pointed out he comes across quite toxic on here with his negative comments and bringing the tone of a lot of threads down he didn’t agree and that people see it if they’re lurking or commenting on the forums and that might be why he’s not having success.
To suggest as he did that he was the only honest one being honest and half the men on here are cheating married men is incorrect in my opinion.
No one needs to be an ass just for the sake of it or to provoke others "
Can I have sweet and salted popcorn please |
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"The purpose of this thread is on the back of me saying that the OP was toxic in the forums. He gives out he’s not given a chance on here
However when I pointed out he comes across quite toxic on here with his negative comments and bringing the tone of a lot of threads down he didn’t agree and that people see it if they’re lurking or commenting on the forums and that might be why he’s not having success.
To suggest as he did that he was the only honest one being honest and half the men on here are cheating married men is incorrect in my opinion.
No one needs to be an ass just for the sake of it or to provoke others "
Didn't know all that.. but doesnt surprise me in the least. |
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"Describe traits you find toxic, not people.
I can see lack of motivation being "toxic" as it can be contagious to a degree. Like in school the awful student drags down those directly around them."
I agree. Traits/behaviours are toxic, not people. Traits like misogyny, sexual entitlement, threatening behaviour, unnecessary aggression. These are things that people have called "toxic masculinity", not the people themselves. |
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I've made a commitment to myself that I won't waste my energy or time trying to explain the concept of toxic masculinity to men who aren't willing to really hear it. So that counts me out for this thread which, so far, seems to be a support group for toxic masculinity. |
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"I've made a commitment to myself that I won't waste my energy or time trying to explain the concept of toxic masculinity to men who aren't willing to really hear it. So that counts me out for this thread which, so far, seems to be a support group for toxic masculinity. "
Probably a good approach. If a guy thinks there isn't a problem with these behaviours then they aren't likely to listen to a woman telling them why it's wrong. |
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" Probably a good approach. If a guy thinks there isn't a problem with these behaviours then they aren't likely to listen to a woman telling them why it's wrong."
Rule #1 of selfcare - don't engage with people who are determined to misunderstand you! |
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" Probably a good approach. If a guy thinks there isn't a problem with these behaviours then they aren't likely to listen to a woman telling them why it's wrong.
Rule #1 of selfcare - don't engage with people who are determined to misunderstand you! "
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I understand what the OP is asking. With his permission, i would like to tangent slightly.
For those talking about "toxic masculinity". Please stop. There is nothing toxic or wrong about masculinity or masculine traits.
It is a phrase created by leftists to limit the expression of masculinity in boys and men.
Because it's easy to mistake masculine competence with the tyranny that hypothetically drives the patriarchy. It's a part of a ideological world view that sees the entire history of mankind as the oppression of women by men. Which is a disgusting way of seeing the world. |
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"I understand what the OP is asking. With his permission, i would like to tangent slightly.
For those talking about "toxic masculinity". Please stop. There is nothing toxic or wrong about masculinity or masculine traits.
It is a phrase created by leftists to limit the expression of masculinity in boys and men.
Because it's easy to mistake masculine competence with the tyranny that hypothetically drives the patriarchy. It's a part of a ideological world view that sees the entire history of mankind as the oppression of women by men. Which is a disgusting way of seeing the world. "
It seems like you are equating masculinity with (what has been recently termed )"toxic masculinity". They aren't the same thing. There is nothing wrong with masculinity, just as there is nothing wrong wrong with femininity. It's when a guy turns dominance into predatory behaviour, or turns confidence into aggression, or turns sexuality into sexual assault. Most guys know where that line is. Some dont. |
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"I understand what the OP is asking. With his permission, i would like to tangent slightly.
For those talking about "toxic masculinity". Please stop. There is nothing toxic or wrong about masculinity or masculine traits.
It is a phrase created by leftists to limit the expression of masculinity in boys and men.
Because it's easy to mistake masculine competence with the tyranny that hypothetically drives the patriarchy. It's a part of a ideological world view that sees the entire history of mankind as the oppression of women by men. Which is a disgusting way of seeing the world.
It seems like you are equating masculinity with (what has been recently termed )"toxic masculinity". They aren't the same thing. There is nothing wrong with masculinity, just as there is nothing wrong wrong with femininity. It's when a guy turns dominance into predatory behaviour, or turns confidence into aggression, or turns sexuality into sexual assault. Most guys know where that line is. Some dont."
I am not equating masculinity with toxic masculinity. There is no such thing as toxic masculinity. The behaviour you and others on the thread are describing, is called being f*cking c*nt. This behaviour is seen from both men and women. It has nothing to do with masculinity or femininity. |
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"I understand what the OP is asking. With his permission, i would like to tangent slightly.
For those talking about "toxic masculinity". Please stop. There is nothing toxic or wrong about masculinity or masculine traits.
It is a phrase created by leftists to limit the expression of masculinity in boys and men.
Because it's easy to mistake masculine competence with the tyranny that hypothetically drives the patriarchy. It's a part of a ideological world view that sees the entire history of mankind as the oppression of women by men. Which is a disgusting way of seeing the world.
It seems like you are equating masculinity with (what has been recently termed )"toxic masculinity". They aren't the same thing. There is nothing wrong with masculinity, just as there is nothing wrong wrong with femininity. It's when a guy turns dominance into predatory behaviour, or turns confidence into aggression, or turns sexuality into sexual assault. Most guys know where that line is. Some dont.
I am not equating masculinity with toxic masculinity. There is no such thing as toxic masculinity. The behaviour you and others on the thread are describing, is called being f*cking c*nt. This behaviour is seen from both men and women. It has nothing to do with masculinity or femininity."
Well you could well say that about almost any sociological concept. They are all made up by someone at some point. Not sure what's wrong with giving a set of behaviours a name. |
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"I understand what the OP is asking. With his permission, i would like to tangent slightly.
For those talking about "toxic masculinity". Please stop. There is nothing toxic or wrong about masculinity or masculine traits.
It is a phrase created by leftists to limit the expression of masculinity in boys and men.
Because it's easy to mistake masculine competence with the tyranny that hypothetically drives the patriarchy. It's a part of a ideological world view that sees the entire history of mankind as the oppression of women by men. Which is a disgusting way of seeing the world.
It seems like you are equating masculinity with (what has been recently termed )"toxic masculinity". They aren't the same thing. There is nothing wrong with masculinity, just as there is nothing wrong wrong with femininity. It's when a guy turns dominance into predatory behaviour, or turns confidence into aggression, or turns sexuality into sexual assault. Most guys know where that line is. Some dont.
I am not equating masculinity with toxic masculinity. There is no such thing as toxic masculinity. The behaviour you and others on the thread are describing, is called being f*cking c*nt. This behaviour is seen from both men and women. It has nothing to do with masculinity or femininity.
Well you could well say that about almost any sociological concept. They are all made up by someone at some point. Not sure what's wrong with giving a set of behaviours a name."
The issue that i have, is that of the inclusion of the word masculinity. You even said yourself that masculinity is not toxic, but the behaviour is. That type of behaviour can be universal. So, a more accurate description would be toxic behaviour from an individual. So to make clear, why it's wrong to say toxic masculinity... is because the behaviour is not constrained to a gender. It is bad behaviour full stop. To suggest otherwise is misleading, bias and ill informed. |
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"Or perhaps using your term "fucking c*unts" could be considered difficult to discuss in some circles, and isn't a very concise way to describe the behaviours described."
Ok. I'll exchange it for psychotic behaviour from an individual. |
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"Or perhaps using your term "fucking c*unts" could be considered difficult to discuss in some circles, and isn't a very concise way to describe the behaviours described.
Ok. I'll exchange it for psychotic behaviour from an individual."
Again... that's not very concise. That would cover many behaviours that aren't similar to the ones described. I'm not sure why you are offended by the use of the term to be honest. As a fairly masculine dominant Male myself I dont have an issue. I'm confident in my masculinity and it doesn't threaten or offend me. |
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"Or perhaps using your term "fucking c*unts" could be considered difficult to discuss in some circles, and isn't a very concise way to describe the behaviours described.
Ok. I'll exchange it for psychotic behaviour from an individual.
Again... that's not very concise. That would cover many behaviours that aren't similar to the ones described. I'm not sure why you are offended by the use of the term to be honest. As a fairly masculine dominant Male myself I dont have an issue. I'm confident in my masculinity and it doesn't threaten or offend me."
It doesn't matter who you are or how you feel about yourself. This term should offend everyone. It is attaching a stigma to masculinity and men. It is nonsense and is a tool in an ideoligical war created by the extreme left. |
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Ahh I should be offended should I? I'll take that into consideration next time im wondering if I should be offended or not lol.
Thanks also for your defense of our sex by the way. I'll sleep easily knowing that masculinity has been defended, and that the line of masculinity dating back to the neanderthal remains intact... and the lefies have been beaten down. |
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In this conversation. I have outlined my reasons behind what i have said. It's funny how you have not. Nor has anyone really. We're supposed to accept it as a matter of fact? Well, not here. Ideas should be open to critical review. I have chipped in my critique of the expression 'toxic masculinity'. Which is also open to critique. However, most have tried to just jump on the band wagon and dismissed this thought or cried troll. Rather than discussing ideas, which seems to be an alien concept on the left. |
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I am not equating masculinity with toxic masculinity. There is no such thing as toxic masculinity. The behaviour you and others on the thread are describing, is called being f*cking c*nt. This behaviour is seen from both men and women. It has nothing to do with masculinity or femininity."
It’s interesting that you use a term for female genitalia that is generally recognised as offensive to describe the type of behaviour described above rather than to call it what is, namely, toxic masculinity.
It says a lot really. |
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I am not equating masculinity with toxic masculinity. There is no such thing as toxic masculinity. The behaviour you and others on the thread are describing, is called being f*cking c*nt. This behaviour is seen from both men and women. It has nothing to do with masculinity or femininity.
It’s interesting that you use a term for female genitalia that is generally recognised as offensive to describe the type of behaviour described above rather than to call it what is, namely, toxic masculinity.
It says a lot really."
Hahahaha
When they make your point for you! |
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"I understand what the OP is asking. With his permission, i would like to tangent slightly.
For those talking about "toxic masculinity". Please stop. There is nothing toxic or wrong about masculinity or masculine traits.
It is a phrase created by leftists to limit the expression of masculinity in boys and men.
Because it's easy to mistake masculine competence with the tyranny that hypothetically drives the patriarchy. It's a part of a ideological world view that sees the entire history of mankind as the oppression of women by men. Which is a disgusting way of seeing the world. "
This is just too funny. |
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"The purpose of this thread is on the back of me saying that the OP was toxic in the forums. He gives out he’s not given a chance on here
However when I pointed out he comes across quite toxic on here with his negative comments and bringing the tone of a lot of threads down he didn’t agree and that people see it if they’re lurking or commenting on the forums and that might be why he’s not having success.
To suggest as he did that he was the only honest one being honest and half the men on here are cheating married men is incorrect in my opinion.
No one needs to be an ass just for the sake of it or to provoke others "
That sounds about right. I wish when you blocked someone they were actually blocked because there's some people who really ruin the fun of the forums.  |
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"I've made a commitment to myself that I won't waste my energy or time trying to explain the concept of toxic masculinity to men who aren't willing to really hear it. So that counts me out for this thread which, so far, seems to be a support group for toxic masculinity. "
This is a typical attitude of someone who doesn't know what they are talking about. Oh i won't waste my time explaining because they won't listen....strop strop strop, toys flying out of pram....
Then you decide you have to say something later in the thread.....is this going to be your explanation? Nope, of course not...it's just the normal nonsense crying troll and saying you are above it. The only trolling on this thread is from yourself and some others with the same behaviour.......
I could maybe try and think of a term for it.....mmmmmmm oh hang on i have it..
Toxic Femininity  |
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"I've made a commitment to myself that I won't waste my energy or time trying to explain the concept of toxic masculinity to men who aren't willing to really hear it. So that counts me out for this thread which, so far, seems to be a support group for toxic masculinity.
This is a typical attitude of someone who doesn't know what they are talking about. Oh i won't waste my time explaining because they won't listen....strop strop strop, toys flying out of pram....
Then you decide you have to say something later in the thread.....is this going to be your explanation? Nope, of course not...it's just the normal nonsense crying troll and saying you are above it. The only trolling on this thread is from yourself and some others with the same behaviour.......
I could maybe try and think of a term for it.....mmmmmmm oh hang on i have it..
Toxic Femininity "
Shes probably on her period or something right |
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"A lot of bullshit so far in this thread.
There are males who perpetuate an overbearing "toxic" attitude, where they think they can put a woman down, touch a woman as they please, or have ideas about what a woman can or cannot do. These are the same males who message women here assuming a sense of entitlement to sex, because they are nearby and have a penis.
There are also women who think it's ok to do the same and these are equally toxic.
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So you over elaborate on your obvious hatred of what you perceive to be "toxic masculinity" but try to put it into perspective with a tiny addendum for toxic feminism. Didn't work you just come across as a tit. |
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"The purpose of this thread is on the back of me saying that the OP was toxic in the forums. He gives out he’s not given a chance on here
However when I pointed out he comes across quite toxic on here with his negative comments and bringing the tone of a lot of threads down he didn’t agree and that people see it if they’re lurking or commenting on the forums and that might be why he’s not having success.
To suggest as he did that he was the only honest one being honest and half the men on here are cheating married men is incorrect in my opinion.
No one needs to be an ass just for the sake of it or to provoke others "
Had a quick read through some of your comments on the forums and you're not exactly all rainbows and lollipops yourself |
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"I've made a commitment to myself that I won't waste my energy or time trying to explain the concept of toxic masculinity to men who aren't willing to really hear it. So that counts me out for this thread which, so far, seems to be a support group for toxic masculinity.
This is a typical attitude of someone who doesn't know what they are talking about. Oh i won't waste my time explaining because they won't listen....strop strop strop, toys flying out of pram....
Then you decide you have to say something later in the thread.....is this going to be your explanation? Nope, of course not...it's just the normal nonsense crying troll and saying you are above it. The only trolling on this thread is from yourself and some others with the same behaviour.......
I could maybe try and think of a term for it.....mmmmmmm oh hang on i have it..
Toxic Femininity
Shes probably on her period or something right"
Well that's maybe your style of doing things. It's not mine. I like to discuss things. Evidently many of you don't know how to. You expect your ideas or thoughts to go unchallenged. Well wake up. The world isn't like that. But hey, keep doing what you are doing. It demonstrates your ignorance and arrogance at the same time. Bravo. |
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Toxic masculinity is just made up though.
Toxic Masculinity = a man not wanting to talk about his feelings.
Like when you do something wrong and the gf/wife gives you a death stare and says "no no its fine", "nothings wrong".. You know there is something wrong but you just leave it, as she is suffering from temporary toxic masculinity. Because it is a trait only associated with masculinity.
Like when a guy gets fake tan, he is suffering from temporary toxic femininity. A toxic attitude towards his appearance.
anyway, If there is a trait of masculinity that is toxic, sure just list it. |
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"I've made a commitment to myself that I won't waste my energy or time trying to explain the concept of toxic masculinity to men who aren't willing to really hear it. So that counts me out for this thread which, so far, seems to be a support group for toxic masculinity.
This is a typical attitude of someone who doesn't know what they are talking about. Oh i won't waste my time explaining because they won't listen....strop strop strop, toys flying out of pram....
Then you decide you have to say something later in the thread.....is this going to be your explanation? Nope, of course not...it's just the normal nonsense crying troll and saying you are above it. The only trolling on this thread is from yourself and some others with the same behaviour.......
I could maybe try and think of a term for it.....mmmmmmm oh hang on i have it..
Toxic Femininity
Shes probably on her period or something right
Well that's maybe your style of doing things. It's not mine. I like to discuss things. Evidently many of you don't know how to. You expect your ideas or thoughts to go unchallenged. Well wake up. The world isn't like that. But hey, keep doing what you are doing. It demonstrates your ignorance and arrogance at the same time. Bravo. "
People of the “left” tend not to want discussion, it’s feelings over logic all the way and if you disagree with what they say your immediately called names or just told you are not worth their time.
It’s quite ironic that their tactics of standing at the back of lecture theatres and shouting and causing disturbances to stop what they call “hate speech” (anything they disagree with) is exactly what the early Nazis used to do in Germany. |
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"I've made a commitment to myself that I won't waste my energy or time trying to explain the concept of toxic masculinity to men who aren't willing to really hear it. So that counts me out for this thread which, so far, seems to be a support group for toxic masculinity.
This is a typical attitude of someone who doesn't know what they are talking about. Oh i won't waste my time explaining because they won't listen....strop strop strop, toys flying out of pram....
Then you decide you have to say something later in the thread.....is this going to be your explanation? Nope, of course not...it's just the normal nonsense crying troll and saying you are above it. The only trolling on this thread is from yourself and some others with the same behaviour.......
I could maybe try and think of a term for it.....mmmmmmm oh hang on i have it..
Toxic Femininity
Shes probably on her period or something right
Well that's maybe your style of doing things. It's not mine. I like to discuss things. Evidently many of you don't know how to. You expect your ideas or thoughts to go unchallenged. Well wake up. The world isn't like that. But hey, keep doing what you are doing. It demonstrates your ignorance and arrogance at the same time. Bravo.
People of the “left” tend not to want discussion, it’s feelings over logic all the way and if you disagree with what they say your immediately called names or just told you are not worth their time.
It’s quite ironic that their tactics of standing at the back of lecture theatres and shouting and causing disturbances to stop what they call “hate speech” (anything they disagree with) is exactly what the early Nazis used to do in Germany."
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People of the “left” tend not to want discussion, it’s feelings over logic all the way and if you disagree with what they say your immediately called names or just told you are not worth their time.
It’s quite ironic that their tactics of standing at the back of lecture theatres and shouting and causing disturbances to stop what they call “hate speech” (anything they disagree with) is exactly what the early Nazis used to do in Germany."
I dont think not being able to properly discuss or debate points is a "left" or "right" only trait.
In fact complaining about you one the left or those on the right usually just ends up losing the pont of the topic in the first place.
Hysteria, over reaction and closedmindedness is a problem for the left right and center |
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This thread gets more bizarre by the minute, I actually got lost what this is all about respectively some posts make no sense whatsoever. But keep them coming it's entertaining in an abstract way. |
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People of the “left” tend not to want discussion, it’s feelings over logic all the way and if you disagree with what they say your immediately called names or just told you are not worth their time.
It’s quite ironic that their tactics of standing at the back of lecture theatres and shouting and causing disturbances to stop what they call “hate speech” (anything they disagree with) is exactly what the early Nazis used to do in Germany.
I dont think not being able to properly discuss or debate points is a "left" or "right" only trait.
In fact complaining about you one the left or those on the right usually just ends up losing the pont of the topic in the first place.
Hysteria, over reaction and closedmindedness is a problem for the left right and center"
I’ll agree with you on that but we don’t often see the right trying to stop free speech by shutting down speakers.I may disagree with a lot of what the left say, but I respect their right to say it. |
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I’ll agree with you on that but we don’t often see the right trying to stop free speech by shutting down speakers.I may disagree with a lot of what the left say, but I respect their right to say it."
I dont think its true that the more extremist on the right do not try to shut down free speech, not the vast majority of right leaning moderate normal people you relate to.
The same would be true for the left.
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I love, and I do mean LOVE, seeing misogynists get mad about toxic masculinity when it's literally a description of the ways that the patriarchy harms men... It is the exact opposite of an attack on men. |
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Interesting thread though, does toxic masculinity exist as a cultural norm?...not in my experience..but definitely toxic people exist imo..Domineering and overbearing traits, overcompeteitive, completely self absorbed...both male and female |
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"Toxic masculinity is just made up though.
Toxic Masculinity = a man not wanting to talk about his feelings.
Like when you do something wrong and the gf/wife gives you a death stare and says "no no its fine", "nothings wrong".. You know there is something wrong but you just leave it, as she is suffering from temporary toxic masculinity. Because it is a trait only associated with masculinity.
Like when a guy gets fake tan, he is suffering from temporary toxic femininity. A toxic attitude towards his appearance.
anyway, If there is a trait of masculinity that is toxic, sure just list it."
Could someone (preferably a man for the sake of irony) explain to me how you can say something is made up and then, in the same breath, define it? I dunno, maybe I'm on period or maybe I'm just another dumb blond, but I can't seem to understand this. |
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"Toxic masculinity is just made up though.
Toxic Masculinity = a man not wanting to talk about his feelings.
Like when you do something wrong and the gf/wife gives you a death stare and says "no no its fine", "nothings wrong".. You know there is something wrong but you just leave it, as she is suffering from temporary toxic masculinity. Because it is a trait only associated with masculinity.
Like when a guy gets fake tan, he is suffering from temporary toxic femininity. A toxic attitude towards his appearance.
anyway, If there is a trait of masculinity that is toxic, sure just list it.
Could someone (preferably a man for the sake of irony) explain to me how you can say something is made up and then, in the same breath, define it? I dunno, maybe I'm on period or maybe I'm just another dumb blond, but I can't seem to understand this. "
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"I love, and I do mean LOVE, seeing misogynists get mad about toxic masculinity when it's literally a description of the ways that the patriarchy harms men... It is the exact opposite of an attack on men. "
Unfortunately like most things people use it to describe masculine things they don’t like or that they think mainly men do. The whole, “ boys will be boys” thing. I have never once used or witnessed it being used to describe any toxic or bad behaviour. If my sons come in covered in mud it’s a case of boys will be boys, if they fart and giggle it’s the same.
Some have opinions about how society harms men in a way that many men would disagree with and if they disagree it must be because society has conditioned them to think that way...
I think individualism is being lost in favour or identity politics unfortunately. Discussion is always healthy though, it’s fantastic to listen to ideas that you don’t agree with. |
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"What a word to descride someone who is dangerous, as in a bully"
I thought the same, a sneaky shit stiring mixer is what I would call someone Toxic ..but hey what do I know |
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By *oghunter33Woman
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Here's what wikipedia says on toxic masculinity, I leave it to anyone on here to interpret how this relates to all the mentioned above:
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"The concept of toxic masculinity is used in psychology and media discussions of masculinity to refer to certain cultural norms that are associated with harm to society and to men themselves. Traditional stereotypes of men as socially dominant, along with related traits such as misogyny and homophobia, can be considered "toxic" due in part to their promotion of violence, including sexual assault and domestic violence. The socialization of boys often normalizes violence, such as in the saying "boys will be boys" with regard to bullying and aggression.
Self-reliance and emotional repression are correlated with increased psychological problems in men such as depression, increased stress, and substance abuse. Toxic masculine traits are characteristic of the unspoken code of behavior among men in American prisons, where they exist in part as a response to the harsh conditions of prison life." |
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"I understand what the OP is asking. With his permission, i would like to tangent slightly.
For those talking about "toxic masculinity". Please stop. There is nothing toxic or wrong about masculinity or masculine traits.
It is a phrase created by leftists to limit the expression of masculinity in boys and men.
Because it's easy to mistake masculine competence with the tyranny that hypothetically drives the patriarchy. It's a part of a ideological world view that sees the entire history of mankind as the oppression of women by men. Which is a disgusting way of seeing the world.
It seems like you are equating masculinity with (what has been recently termed )"toxic masculinity". They aren't the same thing. There is nothing wrong with masculinity, just as there is nothing wrong wrong with femininity. It's when a guy turns dominance into predatory behaviour, or turns confidence into aggression, or turns sexuality into sexual assault. Most guys know where that line is. Some dont.
I am not equating masculinity with toxic masculinity. There is no such thing as toxic masculinity. The behaviour you and others on the thread are describing, is called being f*cking c*nt. This behaviour is seen from both men and women. It has nothing to do with masculinity or femininity.
Well you could well say that about almost any sociological concept. They are all made up by someone at some point. Not sure what's wrong with giving a set of behaviours a name.
The issue that i have, is that of the inclusion of the word masculinity. You even said yourself that masculinity is not toxic, but the behaviour is. That type of behaviour can be universal. So, a more accurate description would be toxic behaviour from an individual. So to make clear, why it's wrong to say toxic masculinity... is because the behaviour is not constrained to a gender. It is bad behaviour full stop. To suggest otherwise is misleading, bias and ill informed. "
Bravo finally someone says it as it is, you have fucktards using terms that are aimed at men only to describe traits that occur in the 2 genders (yes 2 genders) but when they are called out on it they backtrack or come out with some faux outrage to condone their actions.Typical lefty bullshit that just follows the cause du jour. So anyone feeling that I have trod on your leftwing toes feel free to report or block as many who cannot accept the truth usually do. |
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"I love, and I do mean LOVE, seeing misogynists get mad about toxic masculinity when it's literally a description of the ways that the patriarchy harms men... It is the exact opposite of an attack on men. "
"The Patriarchy"....what's that, that you are referring to? |
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Well ..to me .. Toxic wasn't Britney's best song...I preferred " Hit me Baby one more time ".. but each to their own...but on a note in keeping with this thread .. IMHO... anything Toxic in ANY shape or form ..wether it's a material or a person...should ALWAYS be avoided for ones health and wellbeing... |
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"I love, and I do mean LOVE, seeing misogynists get mad about toxic masculinity when it's literally a description of the ways that the patriarchy harms men... It is the exact opposite of an attack on men.
"The Patriarchy"....what's that, that you are referring to?"
You're being purposefully obtuse now. You know what the patriarchy is, whether you believe it or not. Don't play dumb. |
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"Toxic masculine traits are characteristic of the unspoken code of behavior among men in American prisons, where they exist in part as a response to the harsh conditions of prison life.""
I never knew women didn't have a code of silence in female only prisons. Never knew it was a male prison only thing.
Must be nice to snitch without getting stitches.
Is that what orange is the new black is about? They sit around telling the prison guards their crimes, feelings, and what other inmates are doing? |
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"I love, and I do mean LOVE, seeing misogynists get mad about toxic masculinity when it's literally a description of the ways that the patriarchy harms men... It is the exact opposite of an attack on men.
"The Patriarchy"....what's that, that you are referring to?
You're being purposefully obtuse now. You know what the patriarchy is, whether you believe it or not. Don't play dumb. "
I know that some tiny fraction of a tiny fraction of society, talk about a patriarchy. However, that is also a load of nonsense. It doesn't exist in the sense that they spout about it. It's all spouted by a tiny fraction of morons who are unhappy with their own lives. Instead of fronting up to life and taking responsibilty for themselves, their actions and their current place in the world. They want to demonize and blame others. Why? Well its easier to do so and they think they are entitled to the life they want rather than going out and earning it. Most of them need to take a good look at themselves and wise the f*ck up snd stop poisoning people with their bullsh*t. Patriarchy? What a crock of sh*te! |
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"I love, and I do mean LOVE, seeing misogynists get mad about toxic masculinity when it's literally a description of the ways that the patriarchy harms men... It is the exact opposite of an attack on men.
"The Patriarchy"....what's that, that you are referring to?
You're being purposefully obtuse now. You know what the patriarchy is, whether you believe it or not. Don't play dumb.
I know that some tiny fraction of a tiny fraction of society, talk about a patriarchy. However, that is also a load of nonsense. It doesn't exist in the sense that they spout about it. It's all spouted by a tiny fraction of morons who are unhappy with their own lives. Instead of fronting up to life and taking responsibilty for themselves, their actions and their current place in the world. They want to demonize and blame others. Why? Well its easier to do so and they think they are entitled to the life they want rather than going out and earning it. Most of them need to take a good look at themselves and wise the f*ck up snd stop poisoning people with their bullsh*t. Patriarchy? What a crock of sh*te!"
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"I love, and I do mean LOVE, seeing misogynists get mad about toxic masculinity when it's literally a description of the ways that the patriarchy harms men... It is the exact opposite of an attack on men.
"The Patriarchy"....what's that, that you are referring to?
You're being purposefully obtuse now. You know what the patriarchy is, whether you believe it or not. Don't play dumb.
I know that some tiny fraction of a tiny fraction of society, talk about a patriarchy. However, that is also a load of nonsense. It doesn't exist in the sense that they spout about it. It's all spouted by a tiny fraction of morons who are unhappy with their own lives. Instead of fronting up to life and taking responsibilty for themselves, their actions and their current place in the world. They want to demonize and blame others. Why? Well its easier to do so and they think they are entitled to the life they want rather than going out and earning it. Most of them need to take a good look at themselves and wise the f*ck up snd stop poisoning people with their bullsh*t. Patriarchy? What a crock of sh*te!
#notallmen "
You are demonstrating perfectly the actions of many on the left. You can't enter in and discuss this. All you can do is add snide comments and try and belittle people. Look at your immature bully behaviour. #notallmen. It's pathetic. The funny thing about it, is you actually think you're being funny or clever, when the only thing you demonstrate is your ignorance, your disregard for others, your playground bully tactics and your lack of or should i say inability? Yes, inability to have a normal discussion. I could easily think of a few hashtags in response, but I'm not a twat. |
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Toxic people to me are those who bring negativity into everything, no matter if it's in working life, private life, or public life. People who contaminate an atmosphere or environment with their own particular brand of poison. There are myriad ways of being toxic, and few are gendercentric. Some toxicities are blatantly obvious, some, such as gaslighting, are less so, but if you listen to your gut, you'll know if someone makes you happy to be around.  |
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"I love, and I do mean LOVE, seeing misogynists get mad about toxic masculinity when it's literally a description of the ways that the patriarchy harms men... It is the exact opposite of an attack on men.
"The Patriarchy"....what's that, that you are referring to?
You're being purposefully obtuse now. You know what the patriarchy is, whether you believe it or not. Don't play dumb.
I know that some tiny fraction of a tiny fraction of society, talk about a patriarchy. However, that is also a load of nonsense. It doesn't exist in the sense that they spout about it. It's all spouted by a tiny fraction of morons who are unhappy with their own lives. Instead of fronting up to life and taking responsibilty for themselves, their actions and their current place in the world. They want to demonize and blame others. Why? Well its easier to do so and they think they are entitled to the life they want rather than going out and earning it. Most of them need to take a good look at themselves and wise the f*ck up snd stop poisoning people with their bullsh*t. Patriarchy? What a crock of sh*te!
#notallmen
You are demonstrating perfectly the actions of many on the left. You can't enter in and discuss this. All you can do is add snide comments and try and belittle people. Look at your immature bully behaviour. #notallmen. It's pathetic. The funny thing about it, is you actually think you're being funny or clever, when the only thing you demonstrate is your ignorance, your disregard for others, your playground bully tactics and your lack of or should i say inability? Yes, inability to have a normal discussion. I could easily think of a few hashtags in response, but I'm not a twat."
There’s only one bully on this thread, using typical bullying language. |
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"I love, and I do mean LOVE, seeing misogynists get mad about toxic masculinity when it's literally a description of the ways that the patriarchy harms men... It is the exact opposite of an attack on men.
"The Patriarchy"....what's that, that you are referring to?
You're being purposefully obtuse now. You know what the patriarchy is, whether you believe it or not. Don't play dumb.
I know that some tiny fraction of a tiny fraction of society, talk about a patriarchy. However, that is also a load of nonsense. It doesn't exist in the sense that they spout about it. It's all spouted by a tiny fraction of morons who are unhappy with their own lives. Instead of fronting up to life and taking responsibilty for themselves, their actions and their current place in the world. They want to demonize and blame others. Why? Well its easier to do so and they think they are entitled to the life they want rather than going out and earning it. Most of them need to take a good look at themselves and wise the f*ck up snd stop poisoning people with their bullsh*t. Patriarchy? What a crock of sh*te!
#notallmen
You are demonstrating perfectly the actions of many on the left. You can't enter in and discuss this. All you can do is add snide comments and try and belittle people. Look at your immature bully behaviour. #notallmen. It's pathetic. The funny thing about it, is you actually think you're being funny or clever, when the only thing you demonstrate is your ignorance, your disregard for others, your playground bully tactics and your lack of or should i say inability? Yes, inability to have a normal discussion. I could easily think of a few hashtags in response, but I'm not a twat.
There’s only one bully on this thread, using typical bullying language. "
Enlighten us. Who is it you are talking about? |
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"A lot of bullshit so far in this thread.
There are males who perpetuate an overbearing "toxic" attitude, where they think they can put a woman down, touch a woman as they please, or have ideas about what a woman can or cannot do. These are the same males who message women here assuming a sense of entitlement to sex, because they are nearby and have a penis.
There are also women who think it's ok to do the same and these are equally toxic.
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"I love, and I do mean LOVE, seeing misogynists get mad about toxic masculinity when it's literally a description of the ways that the patriarchy harms men... It is the exact opposite of an attack on men.
"The Patriarchy"....what's that, that you are referring to?
You're being purposefully obtuse now. You know what the patriarchy is, whether you believe it or not. Don't play dumb.
I know that some tiny fraction of a tiny fraction of society, talk about a patriarchy. However, that is also a load of nonsense. It doesn't exist in the sense that they spout about it. It's all spouted by a tiny fraction of morons who are unhappy with their own lives. Instead of fronting up to life and taking responsibilty for themselves, their actions and their current place in the world. They want to demonize and blame others. Why? Well its easier to do so and they think they are entitled to the life they want rather than going out and earning it. Most of them need to take a good look at themselves and wise the f*ck up snd stop poisoning people with their bullsh*t. Patriarchy? What a crock of sh*te!
#notallmen
You are demonstrating perfectly the actions of many on the left. You can't enter in and discuss this. All you can do is add snide comments and try and belittle people. Look at your immature bully behaviour. #notallmen. It's pathetic. The funny thing about it, is you actually think you're being funny or clever, when the only thing you demonstrate is your ignorance, your disregard for others, your playground bully tactics and your lack of or should i say inability? Yes, inability to have a normal discussion. I could easily think of a few hashtags in response, but I'm not a twat.
There’s only one bully on this thread, using typical bullying language. "
Ayup percival just joined in again. |
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Don't you love it when people who have shitty lives find a way to blame the low hanging fruit for their ills and woes. How about quit the whinging about this nonsensical toxic masculinity and accept that you're the one in charge of you and therefore any shit is due to paths taken. There are people who have had shittier starts in life than I wouldn't hesitate to say every single person on here that have taken account for themselves and changed their circumstances for the better. Personally I am one of the biggest cunts I know but only because I don't suffer fools gladly and let said fools know in unmistakable terms. In fact right now I can hear the thunder of hooves galloping along to rescue the damsels upset by this thread. No doubt I'll have some private mail informing me of my crimes and misdemeanours. |
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"Well ..to me .. Toxic wasn't Britney's best song...I preferred " Hit me Baby one more time ".. but each to their own...but on a note in keeping with this thread .. IMHO... anything Toxic in ANY shape or form ..wether it's a material or a person...should ALWAYS be avoided for ones health and wellbeing..."
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