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Ana Krigel.
Now the case is over should Boy A and Boy B not be named?
I can understand not printing names of people to avoid naming the victim, ie in sex abuse cases, where naming the person would allow everyone to know who the victim is. But we see Kriegl's name in the paper and media all the time, surely its not fair to protect the people now they have been found guilty.
I hear their photos and names have been posted on twitter/facebook but not seen it myself, dunno where it is, do you think sites like these should be forced to stop people naming them on them? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I can undersrand why those protections are in our laws....
The emotional factor of the case and the horrible nature of this crime aside on the whole I think we are better having sucu protections in place..... |
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Yeah they can be named when 18, but like in the UK they will be given new identites and they will be given accomodation and cared for and moved whenever their idenity leaks.
I'd like to know why its needed. People often say it takes a village to raise a child. Is that why kids are getting worse and worse and have now reached depths the state has never seen before, because parents of bad kids are protected?
Facebook and Twitter are to appear in court tomorrow over the issue because Boy B's parents complained.
Joke if you ask me. |
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By *j47Man
over a year ago
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At the end of the day these two boys were 13 they are still developing both mentaly and phyicaly and no matter what they done they need a chance to develope and be educated and turn their lives on to the path to be good citizens. Not taking away from the loss of a young girl that had so much potential to be a beautifull person in her own right and all the greif that that loss brings to those that love her
They sill serve their sentances
For their henious crime and we can only hope the system turns their lives round.naming them adds so many more pressures on their already strained cerumstances that they find them selves in
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Imagine being the parents of those boys. Imagine how their siblings feel right now. For their sake I think the identities should be hidden. Imagine the backlash they are going to get. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Id love to name and shame the brutal ugly midget stalker that's stalks my life from here, but unfortunately I cannot, suppose there's always other ways, some guys shouldn't be aloud online. |
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"Imagine being the parents of those boys. Imagine how their siblings feel right now. For their sake I think the identities should be hidden. Imagine the backlash they are going to get."
They will be named when they turn 18 anyway. You make out like its a death sentence but people are named in the press for murder all the time and their families dont fall apart etc.
So what if they feel a bit bad that their sibling/son killed someone. so what. Its how youre supposed to be when you find out your family member is a murderer, youre supposed to feel sad, upset, not entitled. |
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"Imagine being the parents of those boys. Imagine how their siblings feel right now. For their sake I think the identities should be hidden. Imagine the backlash they are going to get.
They will be named when they turn 18 anyway. You make out like its a death sentence but people are named in the press for murder all the time and their families dont fall apart etc.
So what if they feel a bit bad that their sibling/son killed someone. so what. Its how youre supposed to be when you find out your family member is a murderer, youre supposed to feel sad, upset, not entitled."
Will naming and shaming help bring back the girl no it won't.while the boys deserve to get punished for their crime naming them won't help anyone. |
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"Imagine being the parents of those boys. Imagine how their siblings feel right now. For their sake I think the identities should be hidden. Imagine the backlash they are going to get.
They will be named when they turn 18 anyway. You make out like its a death sentence but people are named in the press for murder all the time and their families dont fall apart etc.
So what if they feel a bit bad that their sibling/son killed someone. so what. Its how youre supposed to be when you find out your family member is a murderer, youre supposed to feel sad, upset, not entitled."
My point is actually more about how that family will be treated. They will be a target for vigilantes no matter where they go. I don't condone what those boys done. Its stomach churning stuff to read. They should be sent away for life but sadly it must likely won't happen. |
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"Imagine being the parents of those boys. Imagine how their siblings feel right now. For their sake I think the identities should be hidden. Imagine the backlash they are going to get.
They will be named when they turn 18 anyway. You make out like its a death sentence but people are named in the press for murder all the time and their families dont fall apart etc.
So what if they feel a bit bad that their sibling/son killed someone. so what. Its how youre supposed to be when you find out your family member is a murderer, youre supposed to feel sad, upset, not entitled."
They won’t be named when 18 |
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By (user no longer on site)
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What difference does it make if you know their names? It won't bring Ana back and it won't change the awful thing those boys did... All it would lead to is violence against the families. Everyone from around here knows who they are, what school they went to etc. Their pictures were sent to me today, it doesn't change anything unfortunately. They will be given new identities and will probably never be heard of again.
The only people right now that will suffer is their families if they were named |
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"What difference does it make if you know their names? It won't bring Ana back and it won't change the awful thing those boys did... All it would lead to is violence against the families. Everyone from around here knows who they are, what school they went to etc. Their pictures were sent to me today, it doesn't change anything unfortunately. They will be given new identities and will probably never be heard of again.
The only people right now that will suffer is their families if they were named"
I'm glad someone else shares my view. I've seen it happen to close friends. It didn't involve murder but the family had an awful time. House constantly broken into. Walls covered in graffiti. Tires slashed regularly. Father took a few beaten and kids took a lot of abuse. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"These laws are made to be impartial, feelings are not taken into consideration and nor should they be. These are still children, despite what they did they need protection as well as punishment."
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By (user no longer on site)
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The society we live in dosnt help if your a kids have unsupervised access Internet wise to anything they want to watch, maybe for some like these kids it brought their evil tenancies before their age.. I don't know, but if you remember the James bolger case in Liverpool, and how they developed in adult hood after such a henious crime..  |
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OMG, many of you seem to live in another planet.
On my college times, not long ago I have to work in a shop while I'm full time education. These two shops were in two touch areas in Dublin, you have no clue what I have seen and heard. Children as young as 8 were a disgrace and shocking to see what they were doing or saying terms of violence(mostly brought from lack of education from home, which at times their parents are even worse). It's really shocking and getting worse...
These judges and politicians too, they all live in a different planet/reality too, they have no clue what they are dealing with. I do really wish that evey single of them worked on these areas for at least eight months... It's a disgrace... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Correction:
"OMG, many of you seem to live in another planet.
On my college times, not long ago I had to work in a shop while in full time education. These two shops were in two tough areas in Dublin, you have no clue what I have seen and heard. Children as young as 8 were a disgrace and shocking to see what they were doing or saying terms of violence (mostly brought from lack of education from home, which at times their parents are even worse). It's really shocking and getting worse...
These judges and politicians too, they all live in a different planet/reality too, they have no clue what they are dealing with. I do really wish that evey single of them worked on these areas for at least eight months... It's a disgrace..."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"they are complete monsters and should be locked up and the key trown away "
It is had to know what type of person they will be once they become 25 or 30. They should have a open life sentence, and be locked for good if they cause troubles of any kind again... |
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No i dont think they should for one very simple reason, mob rule. Its exactly what would happen as emotions are running high. Its not just the two boys effected by their actions but a wider circle of family, friends and acquaintances. I by no means think these two boys should ever be released or given the chance to start again but i dont agree with people taking the law into their own hands. It symptomatic of a breakdown in society. The law is there for a reason. Tonight all i can think of is Anas parents, they never again get to hold or love their daughter. They unlike these two boys dont get to start again. I can't imagine their pain. We should instead of focusing on the two boys focus on them. Show them your support and love. Show them as a society we care. A long response im sorry but OP asked a very good question, one that deserves to be answered with personal honesty. |
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"No i dont think they should for one very simple reason, mob rule. Its exactly what would happen as emotions are running high. Its not just the two boys effected by their actions but a wider circle of family, friends and acquaintances. I by no means think these two boys should ever be released or given the chance to start again but i dont agree with people taking the law into their own hands. It symptomatic of a breakdown in society. The law is there for a reason. Tonight all i can think of is Anas parents, they never again get to hold or love their daughter. They unlike these two boys dont get to start again. I can't imagine their pain. We should instead of focusing on the two boys focus on them. Show them your support and love. Show them as a society we care. A long response im sorry but OP asked a very good question, one that deserves to be answered with personal honesty. "
Without being rude of course they will get to love their daughter again. They haven't suddenly stopped just because she is no longer here. They will love her always. |
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"No i dont think they should for one very simple reason, mob rule. Its exactly what would happen as emotions are running high. Its not just the two boys effected by their actions but a wider circle of family, friends and acquaintances. I by no means think these two boys should ever be released or given the chance to start again but i dont agree with people taking the law into their own hands. It symptomatic of a breakdown in society. The law is there for a reason. Tonight all i can think of is Anas parents, they never again get to hold or love their daughter. They unlike these two boys dont get to start again. I can't imagine their pain. We should instead of focusing on the two boys focus on them. Show them your support and love. Show them as a society we care. A long response im sorry but OP asked a very good question, one that deserves to be answered with personal honesty. "
Very honast and well said, and your right all the focus is on anger instead of empathy towards a grieving family, and all this naming and shaming won't bring back their daughter.. |
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"No i dont think they should for one very simple reason, mob rule. Its exactly what would happen as emotions are running high. Its not just the two boys effected by their actions but a wider circle of family, friends and acquaintances. I by no means think these two boys should ever be released or given the chance to start again but i dont agree with people taking the law into their own hands. It symptomatic of a breakdown in society. The law is there for a reason. Tonight all i can think of is Anas parents, they never again get to hold or love their daughter. They unlike these two boys dont get to start again. I can't imagine their pain. We should instead of focusing on the two boys focus on them. Show them your support and love. Show them as a society we care. A long response im sorry but OP asked a very good question, one that deserves to be answered with personal honesty.
Without being rude of course they will get to love their daughter again. They haven't suddenly stopped just because she is no longer here. They will love her always."
Of course they will always love her but they wont kiss her or hug her or tell her face to face. Thats something i can't ever imagine. |
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"No i dont think they should for one very simple reason, mob rule. Its exactly what would happen as emotions are running high. Its not just the two boys effected by their actions but a wider circle of family, friends and acquaintances. I by no means think these two boys should ever be released or given the chance to start again but i dont agree with people taking the law into their own hands. It symptomatic of a breakdown in society. The law is there for a reason. Tonight all i can think of is Anas parents, they never again get to hold or love their daughter. They unlike these two boys dont get to start again. I can't imagine their pain. We should instead of focusing on the two boys focus on them. Show them your support and love. Show them as a society we care. A long response im sorry but OP asked a very good question, one that deserves to be answered with personal honesty.
Very honast and well said, and your right all the focus is on anger instead of empathy towards a grieving family, and all this naming and shaming won't bring back their daughter.. "
And as happened today an innocent boys picture was used, thats unforgivable. Its enough to destroy another innocent life. |
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They are still children themselves. .children killing children..What they did was barbaric and horrific...I feel for their parents and siblings also..Trying to come to terms with some thing like this is beyond comprehension for any parent...there are so many victims in this |
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I really believe this is a reflection on society, too much too soon, never telling or children they're wrong, not saying no. If nothing else this proves early exposure to grafic porn can in some cases do physiological damage to a young brain. We've become an insular society dependent on instant gratification. Ironic when its on fab i say this.
Nature vrs nuture here for sure. |
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"I really believe this is a reflection on society, too much too soon, never telling or children they're wrong, not saying no. If nothing else this proves early exposure to grafic porn can in some cases do physiological damage to a young brain. We've become an insular society dependent on instant gratification. Ironic when its on fab i say this.
Nature vrs nuture here for sure. "
You make a very good point. Porn is so easily accessible for kids now a days. |
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I'm not sure if this is the place to give advice about what is right or wrong with society.Not exactly setting very good example for young people to follow. |
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"I really believe this is a reflection on society, too much too soon, never telling or children they're wrong, not saying no. If nothing else this proves early exposure to grafic porn can in some cases do physiological damage to a young brain. We've become an insular society dependent on instant gratification. Ironic when its on fab i say this.
Nature vrs nuture here for sure.
You make a very good point. Porn is so easily accessible for kids now a days. "
Unfortunately it is. Its everywhere. |
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"I'm not sure if this is the place to give advice about what is right or wrong with society.Not exactly setting very good example for young people to follow. "
This comment right here is what makes this me sad to live in the society we do now. What's wrong work what we do? We are all consenting adults. |
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"I really believe this is a reflection on society, too much too soon, never telling or children they're wrong, not saying no. If nothing else this proves early exposure to grafic porn can in some cases do physiological damage to a young brain. We've become an insular society dependent on instant gratification. Ironic when its on fab i say this.
Nature vrs nuture here for sure.
You make a very good point. Porn is so easily accessible for kids now a days.
Unfortunately it is. Its everywhere."
I completely agree, but we're adults and we're lucky enough to be brought up innocently and have an actual childhood, I'm not saying those 2 boys wouldnt have offended in some way or form when they we're older, but the level of uncontrolled exposure to material that can overtime warp an adults mind has to have a tenfold effect on a kid...victims of society? No but definitely influenced by it  |
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"I'm not sure if this is the place to give advice about what is right or wrong with society.Not exactly setting very good example for young people to follow.
This comment right here is what makes this me sad to live in the society we do now. What's wrong work what we do? We are all consenting adults."
don't worry about him always looking to provoke even on a topic as serious as this... |
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"I really believe this is a reflection on society, too much too soon, never telling or children they're wrong, not saying no. If nothing else this proves early exposure to grafic porn can in some cases do physiological damage to a young brain. We've become an insular society dependent on instant gratification. Ironic when its on fab i say this.
Nature vrs nuture here for sure.
You make a very good point. Porn is so easily accessible for kids now a days.
Unfortunately it is. Its everywhere.
I completely agree, but we're adults and we're lucky enough to be brought up innocently and have an actual childhood, I'm not saying those 2 boys wouldnt have offended in some way or form when they we're older, but the level of uncontrolled exposure to material that can overtime warp an adults mind has to have a tenfold effect on a kid...victims of society? No but definitely influenced by it "
Again nature vrs nuture. We need to blame someone. Do we blame the evils of society or do we blame poor parenting. Or do we admit some people are just born bad... wrong ones as my nan would say. None of us are quailified to answer but we will think on it. My thoughts tonight will remain though with Ana and her parents. |
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"Yeah they can be named when 18, but like in the UK they will be given new identites and they will be given accomodation and cared for and moved whenever their idenity leaks.
I'd like to know why its needed. People often say it takes a village to raise a child. Is that why kids are getting worse and worse and have now reached depths the state has never seen before, because parents of bad kids are protected?
Facebook and Twitter are to appear in court tomorrow over the issue because Boy B's parents complained.
Joke if you ask me."
They will never be legally allowed to be named even when they are 18 or 50 for that matter. They are minors so they have special protection.
Not naming them also protects their families who need to attempt to carry on as normal and raise other brothers or sisters in a community. Being named could also put the families at risk from loons. The boys are detained so not exposed.....their families are not. |
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As a parent fuck them .
Seriously what is it with all the not naming them because there only kids and what about their family. Fuck the lot of them . Boys (B) father showed no compassion to the victims family with his outbursts after the verdict . This was not an accident this was a planned rap e and murder of a your girl who was being bullied not only by these two little scumbags but from lots of kids from the school and wider community. They should all hang there head in shame .
Once found guilty there names and pictures should be plastered across every social media outlet especially across the platforms that this poor girl was relentlessly bullied on.
Remember these little scumbags will be released back into the community at some point and knowing the way the Irish justice system runs it wont be anywhere near a long enough sentence. Would you not like to know if they were living in your area , of course you would .
If they released there names and pictures of them then nobody would be wrongly named . |
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By *onedbodMan
over a year ago
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"As a parent fuck them .
Seriously what is it with all the not naming them because there only kids and what about their family. Fuck the lot of them . Boys (B) father showed no compassion to the victims family with his outbursts after the verdict . This was not an accident this was a planned rap e and murder of a your girl who was being bullied not only by these two little scumbags but from lots of kids from the school and wider community. They should all hang there head in shame .
Once found guilty there names and pictures should be plastered across every social media outlet especially across the platforms that this poor girl was relentlessly bullied on.
Remember these little scumbags will be released back into the community at some point and knowing the way the Irish justice system runs it wont be anywhere near a long enough sentence. Would you not like to know if they were living in your area , of course you would .
If they released there names and pictures of them then nobody would be wrongly named ."
Exactly totally agree! Scum A is a total physco and reckon never will be any different and will always be a danger to society! People should know who they are for when they are released and not let their daughter anywhere near the bast###s! |
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Victim loses their life but murderers get protected......
Victim gets splashed all over the media without concern for the victims family but murderers family gets top priority...as well as the murderers.....
Victim lies 6 feet under. Murderers walk tall.
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"Everyone from around here knows who they are, what school they went to etc. Their pictures were sent to me today"
So if everyone knows who they are, then why do you say if everyone knows who they were they would be victims of violence? |
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Go to the cops and tell them your kid is being bullied, tomorrow facebook and twitter will not be hauled into court to fix it for you.
Tomorrow the school will not sort the issue for you.
Tomorrow the cops wont have the idenity of all the people who bullied them online.
But post a photo of a convicted murderer online and within 2-3 hours the cops will have your idenity, the biggest companies in the world will be hauled infront of a judge.
And I have to accept it because social justice warriors "dont want to take away from how bad murder is", but these murderers need to be protected.
Its madness. |
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"At the end of the day these two boys were 13 they are still developing both mentaly and phyicaly and no matter what they done they need a chance to develope and be educated and turn their lives on to the path to be good citizens. Not taking away from the loss of a young girl that had so much potential to be a beautifull person in her own right and all the greif that that loss brings to those that love her
They sill serve their sentances
For their henious crime and we can only hope the system turns their lives round.naming them adds so many more pressures on their already strained cerumstances that they find them selves in
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One of the more reasoned posts here, along with Rovers |
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All comments understood and fair enough, I have the same thoughts at times, but fuck, is it black and white? It's not, its tradgic, I heard the same things about bad behaviour in the courtroom, for me there's a reason behind those kids behaviour, mental, social or other and don't believe the cure is anger  |
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"All comments understood and fair enough, I have the same thoughts at times, but fuck, is it black and white? It's not, its tradgic, I heard the same things about bad behaviour in the courtroom, for me there's a reason behind those kids behaviour, mental, social or other and don't believe the cure is anger "
Agree Jacks. Anger needs to be taken out of equation as it blurs corrective action. That's what the legal system is for |
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"All comments understood and fair enough, I have the same thoughts at times, but fuck, is it black and white? It's not, its tradgic, I heard the same things about bad behaviour in the courtroom, for me there's a reason behind those kids behaviour, mental, social or other and don't believe the cure is anger
Agree Jacks. Anger needs to be taken out of equation as it blurs corrective action. That's what the legal system is for "
Question is where does that strong violent .. kill the little bastards stop... if you see a sibling do you react, parent, cousin do you react. Whole familes dehumanised over the actions of one. This isnt been a social warrior, its having an ability to see the wood from the trees. Mob rule, vigilantism is never ever a good idea. It would happen and result in more hurt and deaths. |
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
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"Imagine being the parents of those boys. Imagine how their siblings feel right now. For their sake I think the identities should be hidden. Imagine the backlash they are going to get."
Boys b father went mad in court after the verdict calling jurors scumbags for sending innocent boy to prison!?!
To do that in front of the kreigals says it all about him and gives a clue to why his kid is where he is |
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I don't even care if they are named or not. What I care is that the little psychos will be released in few years when they shouldn't be allowed to see the light of day ever again. You honestly think correctional system will put them the right tracks? You think boy A will go to university and be a model citizen one day? Those are unrealistic fantasies. If a 13yo fantasizes about killing someone, plans it and actually assembles a murder kit then you know something is seriously wrong with him and no therapy or counselling will ever help him. The only solution for him and society is for him to be behind thick locked doors forever. That poor girl only wanted a friend. One friend. You can only imagine what was in her head when she heard someone asked her out, only to end like that. Just for that fact they don't deserve anything as long ad they live |
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By *oserMan
over a year ago
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"I don't even care if they are named or not. What I care is that the little psychos will be released in few years when they shouldn't be allowed to see the light of day ever again. You honestly think correctional system will put them the right tracks? You think boy A will go to university and be a model citizen one day? Those are unrealistic fantasies. If a 13yo fantasizes about killing someone, plans it and actually assembles a murder kit then you know something is seriously wrong with him and no therapy or counselling will ever help him. The only solution for him and society is for him to be behind thick locked doors forever. That poor girl only wanted a friend. One friend. You can only imagine what was in her head when she heard someone asked her out, only to end like that. Just for that fact they don't deserve anything as long ad they live"
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What really sickens me are soft, liberal idiots who care more about the rights of these sick evil cuunts than their actions or victims rights. They go on and on about the feckers rights and their rehabilitation and how it wasn’t their fault and how they have the right to anonymity and a private life. Then they campaign for their early release and a new identity , re housing and maybe getting them employment . These liberal do- gooders are as sick as the perps and the system that goes out of its way to help them. They deserve no help, no treatment . They just deserve punishment and lots of it . I say to these do- gooders; what would you say/do if it was your daughter ? |
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"All comments understood and fair enough, I have the same thoughts at times, but fuck, is it black and white? It's not, its tradgic, I heard the same things about bad behaviour in the courtroom, for me there's a reason behind those kids behaviour, mental, social or other and don't believe the cure is anger
Agree Jacks. Anger needs to be taken out of equation as it blurs corrective action. That's what the legal system is for
Question is where does that strong violent .. kill the little bastards stop... if you see a sibling do you react, parent, cousin do you react. Whole familes dehumanised over the actions of one. This isnt been a social warrior, its having an ability to see the wood from the trees. Mob rule, vigilantism is never ever a good idea. It would happen and result in more hurt and deaths. "
This... Agree 100%
In identifying the guilty, how many innocent lives will be affected? How many family members who had nothing to do with their crimes will bear the stigma for the rest of their lives and be judged by association? Siblings.... cousins.... Schoolmates.... Other innocent children who don't deserve the fallout they will suffer because of the actions of the guilty. Adults have the maturity and (for the most part) the emotional tools to deal with this kind of fallout, but children don't. They need to be protected from those who would bully and harass them for their relative/schoolmates' behaviour... And if you don't think that would happen, if you don't think those children would be targeted and bullied because of their association, what planet have you been living on? |
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The law protects the identity of minors, even ones who have committed murder. There are many factors as to why this is the case.
The law was also applied in this case through a trial by jury and a guilty verdict was given and a sentence will follow. We can't pick and choose which parts of the law we want to apply because it doesn't suit us or we believe that we know better. Those are emotional responses.
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"All comments understood and fair enough, I have the same thoughts at times, but fuck, is it black and white? It's not, its tradgic, I heard the same things about bad behaviour in the courtroom, for me there's a reason behind those kids behaviour, mental, social or other and don't believe the cure is anger
Agree Jacks. Anger needs to be taken out of equation as it blurs corrective action. That's what the legal system is for
Question is where does that strong violent .. kill the little bastards stop... if you see a sibling do you react, parent, cousin do you react. Whole familes dehumanised over the actions of one. This isnt been a social warrior, its having an ability to see the wood from the trees. Mob rule, vigilantism is never ever a good idea. It would happen and result in more hurt and deaths.
This... Agree 100%
In identifying the guilty, how many innocent lives will be affected? How many family members who had nothing to do with their crimes will bear the stigma for the rest of their lives and be judged by association? Siblings.... cousins.... Schoolmates.... Other innocent children who don't deserve the fallout they will suffer because of the actions of the guilty. Adults have the maturity and (for the most part) the emotional tools to deal with this kind of fallout, but children don't. They need to be protected from those who would bully and harass them for their relative/schoolmates' behaviour... And if you don't think that would happen, if you don't think those children would be targeted and bullied because of their association, what planet have you been living on? "
Agree, if they are not going to be released they can stay anonimoua forever for all I care. But if in 10 years a judge decides to let them out then, if they are over 18, they should be named. While I understand that the innocent people close to them have a right to be protected I also think the society in general has a right to be protected from these individuals. I am pretty sure that you'd want to know if a child killer is living in your neighbourhood |
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Impulse to share the pics and name them comes wholly from a sense of revenge, in my opinion. Natural impulses of course, but the legal system is an attempt at removing us from the law of the jungle.
While my gut feeling is that they might never be rehabilitated, I think we have to attempt to rehabilitate them. Naming them publicly at this stage will hamper that. |
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What would happen if it was in USA, they would never see the light of day, from video games to mma to porn sites, kids of today have no respect for nothing, but it all starts at home, but are some kids just born evil ??, now we will all pay to protect these two evil fucks for the rest of their life’s, boy A seems to not give a fuck to what he’s done ( accrording to the expects no remorse shown at all) and boy B’s father thinks his son has done nothing wrong !! See it starts at home, you learn very early in life what’s right and what’s wrong saying please and thank you but kids these day have to be reminded to say these two words, and Ana’s family are forgotten in most of this, them two boys can’t be helped just look at Jamie’s bulgers killers one of them let out too again go and download child porn and they still protect them evil fucks, rant over |
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"What would happen if it was in USA, they would never see the light of day, from video games to mma to porn sites, kids of today have no respect for nothing, but it all starts at home, but are some kids just born evil ??, now we will all pay to protect these two evil fucks for the rest of their life’s, boy A seems to not give a fuck to what he’s done ( accrording to the expects no remorse shown at all) and boy B’s father thinks his son has done nothing wrong !! See it starts at home, you learn very early in life what’s right and what’s wrong saying please and thank you but kids these day have to be reminded to say these two words, and Ana’s family are forgotten in most of this, them two boys can’t be helped just look at Jamie’s bulgers killers one of them let out too again go and download child porn and they still protect them evil fucks, rant over "
If you want us to be like the USA then we'll have to dramatically increase our r@pe and murder rates. 
The US criminal justice system is a complete and utter disaster. |
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"People often say it takes a village to raise a child.
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If that’s the case, a large part of Leixlip needs to hang its head in shame.
The poor girl was tormented from her early days in primary school.
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"What really sickens me are soft, liberal idiots who care more about the rights of these sick evil cuunts than their actions or victims rights. They go on and on about the feckers rights and their rehabilitation and how it wasn’t their fault and how they have the right to anonymity and a private life. Then they campaign for their early release and a new identity , re housing and maybe getting them employment . These liberal do- gooders are as sick as the perps and the system that goes out of its way to help them. They deserve no help, no treatment . They just deserve punishment and lots of it . I say to these do- gooders; what would you say/do if it was your daughter ?"
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"All comments understood and fair enough, I have the same thoughts at times, but fuck, is it black and white? It's not, its tradgic, I heard the same things about bad behaviour in the courtroom, for me there's a reason behind those kids behaviour, mental, social or other and don't believe the cure is anger
Agree Jacks. Anger needs to be taken out of equation as it blurs corrective action. That's what the legal system is for
Question is where does that strong violent .. kill the little bastards stop... if you see a sibling do you react, parent, cousin do you react. Whole familes dehumanised over the actions of one. This isnt been a social warrior, its having an ability to see the wood from the trees. Mob rule, vigilantism is never ever a good idea. It would happen and result in more hurt and deaths.
This... Agree 100%
In identifying the guilty, how many innocent lives will be affected? How many family members who had nothing to do with their crimes will bear the stigma for the rest of their lives and be judged by association? Siblings.... cousins.... Schoolmates.... Other innocent children who don't deserve the fallout they will suffer because of the actions of the guilty. Adults have the maturity and (for the most part) the emotional tools to deal with this kind of fallout, but children don't. They need to be protected from those who would bully and harass them for their relative/schoolmates' behaviour... And if you don't think that would happen, if you don't think those children would be targeted and bullied because of their association, what planet have you been living on? "
Isn't that the consequences of each and everyone of our actions and the words we say publically? If people realised that their actions do have far reaching consequences then it surely helps as a protective deterrent.
Unfortunately we live in a culture that think they can do whatever they like and doesn't matter what others think. Well that's completely delusional. Even on here we hear the majority say, I'll do whatever pleases me and doesn't matter what others do or say. Well I'm in the minority who thinks it does matter and it should matter too.
No man is an Island though most want to believe it. Unfortunately we are social beings and as such what we do, say or even think has consequences for those around us whether we like it or not. |
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Not involving any emotion in the situation, I think they should hang. Any pair that assemble a murder kit, including mask, tape and beat a girl over 60 times, are fundamentally mentally wired wrong somewhere upstairs. You can't fix that kind of messed up and the father of one of them kicking off shows a possible genetic component. Simply put, we could save ourselves a whole load of money wasted locking the two of them down, wasting services time trying to cbt fix their heads and instead just hang them. Quick solution, already proven in court they're guilty and prevents any chance of reoccurrence. The lads in the Jamie bolger case we t on to be two absolutely screwed up cases, ready to break the law again with no appreciation of consequences. So just hang them |
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"Whatever about the law at the minute. When these guys turn 18 I think their names should be known to the public.
Agree, these lads are highly likely to reoffend"
This should be the opposite. The name of the two evil should be released on the exact moment they were found guilty. These liberals protected in all means these criminals, and they straight away gave the name and picture of the victim everywhere. The victim indentation and photos should never be published ever, doesn't matter how the victim looked or who the victim was...
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"Not involving any emotion in the situation, I think they should hang. Any pair that assemble a murder kit, including mask, tape and beat a girl over 60 times, are fundamentally mentally wired wrong somewhere upstairs. You can't fix that kind of messed up and the father of one of them kicking off shows a possible genetic component. Simply put, we could save ourselves a whole load of money wasted locking the two of them down, wasting services time trying to cbt fix their heads and instead just hang them. Quick solution, already proven in court they're guilty and prevents any chance of reoccurrence. The lads in the Jamie bolger case we t on to be two absolutely screwed up cases, ready to break the law again with no appreciation of consequences. So just hang them"
Or at least life should mean life. They're not children, they're monsters. |
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"Imagine being the parents of those boys. Imagine how their siblings feel right now. For their sake I think the identities should be hidden. Imagine the backlash they are going to get.
Boys b father went mad in court after the verdict calling jurors scumbags
To do that in front of the kreigals says it all about him and gives a clue to why his kid is where he is"
Well said my thoughts exactly |
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"Whatever about the law at the minute. When these guys turn 18 I think their names should be known to the public.
Agree, these lads are highly likely to reoffend
This should be the opposite. The name of the two evil should be released on the exact moment they were found guilty. These liberals protected in all means these criminals, and they straight away gave the name and picture of the victim everywhere. The victim indentation and photos should never be published ever, doesn't matter how the victim looked or who the victim was...
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"Ana Krigel.
Now the case is over should Boy A and Boy B not be named?
I can understand not printing names of people to avoid naming the victim, ie in sex abuse cases, where naming the person would allow everyone to know who the victim is. But we see Kriegl's name in the paper and media all the time, surely its not fair to protect the people now they have been found guilty.
I hear their photos and names have been posted on twitter/facebook but not seen it myself, dunno where it is, do you think sites like these should be forced to stop people naming them on them?"
If your relation took a shit on the street in full view . Who is that on? It them ! Not you if any ANYA human thinks they have the right to do what those lads did it's on them. Not the parents or anyone else. Morality? You are on a swingers forum. Morals are 1 thing murder is another |
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