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over a year ago
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I just would like to know how many of you been trained? How many of you know what to do in the case of any emergency like stroke, heart attack or epilepsy attack? Please discuss
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Been trained to erm... not sure the level but done immediate triage , allthe old nemonics- ABC and can’t remember the others ,such as breathing bleeding breaks and burns , recovery position , head/ neck braces, c-spine, resus Annie , sticking those big bad boys in arms for drips, pressure on wounds , elevation etc ( as u can tell I’m a bit rusty but I know the basics and have practised tracheotomy |
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"Been trained to erm... not sure the level but done immediate triage , allthe old nemonics- ABC and can’t remember the others ,such as breathing bleeding breaks and burns , recovery position , head/ neck braces, c-spine, resus Annie , sticking those big bad boys in arms for drips, pressure on wounds , elevation etc ( as u can tell I’m a bit rusty but I know the basics and have practised tracheotomy "
Rusty??Id take your qualifications any day over somebody with nothing but a phone recording.It's scary to think how unprepared businesses and just people are in general to prevention of fatalities and serious life long conditions. |
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I was trained in a bunch of stuff, most of it not applicable to the real world, like how to treat a bullet wound with a credit card lol
The only thing I can really remember as useful is that you dont elevate a chest wound like a bullet or stabbing, you do the reverse so that they dont bleed into their working lung. |
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In fact this thread has prompted me. Am gonna do a refresher course- sign up on Monday. Also now regularly give blood. Wanted to be on the bone marrow register but over 50 so can’t.And carry my organ donor card ( not sure if it’s even valid anymore as I am on the organ donor register). Apparently 146,341 men have requested my penis be left to them - cheeky muahh |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Have done a few course's.
Was a lot to do with working in remote sites.
No point calling an ambulance as they would not get to you for hours, if at all.
Drove a 4x4 ambulance once at full bore to get to a hospital from a remote site. Still took almost two hours. |
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I was trained ,but the trainer told us never to give first aid to accidents you come across..because of the chance of being sued was high. But if I did I would always assist or give where I could. |
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"I was trained ,but the trainer told us never to give first aid to accidents you come across..because of the chance of being sued was high. But if I did I would always assist or give where I could. "
This is not great information he gave you.
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"I was trained ,but the trainer told us never to give first aid to accidents you come across..because of the chance of being sued was high. But if I did I would always assist or give where I could.
This is not great information he gave you.
I know I said this and he just shrugged,if you can help someone in great pain or save a life then do it. Big respect for all the ambulance crews
You are covered under the good Samaritans law "
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Trained emergency first aider and probably the most valuable training I’ve done bit on a professional and personal basis. The sort of thing you don’t want to use but when you have to you are thankful for it and also shocked by how many don’t know what do do or try to do the wrong things. Have had to use it and luckily things worked out. Would recommend everyone has at least basic first aid skills, especially parents |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Qualified first responder for motorcyclist. FBOS trained.
Was a first aider for a company I worked for but that training has lapsed after leaving them. Most of the training still applies. |
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"I was trained ,but the trainer told us never to give first aid to accidents you come across..because of the chance of being sued was high. But if I did I would always assist or give where I could.
This is not great information he gave you.
You are covered under the good Samaritans law "
Indeed. 
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Thank you for all your answers.
Another question on board: Do you think it should or not to be obligatory training starting at primary schools and then be refreshed every few years?
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Not sure about primary school. Seems a little young to make compulsory.
But the secondary school went to it was mandatory. Thinkit was a very basic course for the 1st years and than a more advance one from 4th year on. |
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"Not sure about primary school. Seems a little young to make compulsory.
But the secondary school went to it was mandatory. Thinkit was a very basic course for the 1st years and than a more advance one from 4th year on. "
I disagree with you. Check the YT how such a 2 yo child knows how to behave in the emergency event and even my kids (5 boy and 10 girl) are trained for first aid.
In my opinion it must be compulsory.
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I'm a clinical specialist in trauma. Worked in A&E, ICU, Surgical...ETC 2nd question...should be compulsory for every transition year student, along with driver theory, and going around communities picking up litter....makes them less likely to litter themselves and they have a health respect for the environment. |
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By *omtom7Man
over a year ago
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Done several 1st aid courses through work, refresher every 2 years. Just signed up as 1st responder for local defibrillator and yes it should be mandatory in secondary schools, has to be more worthwhile than some of the stupid courses they do. |
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Not sure making it compulsory is right. One is forcing someone to have a high level of expectations place upon them.
There have been a few cases where people have been dragged through the courts because they made a wrong split decision, albeit voluntarily to try and save someone. It was argued they should have known better with their training. If they hadn't had training the relatives probably wouldn't have Perdue's it.
My sister who is a nurse has been advised because of this to not assist in a road accident if she happens upon it, which she struggles with as do I. |
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Red Cross Emergency Life Saver
Workplace First Aid
5 yrs with St Johns Ambulance
Only ever had 1 instance were I was required to respond. Happy I had the training. |
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"I just would like to know how many of you been trained? How many of you know what to do in the case of any emergency like stroke, heart attack or epilepsy attack? Please discuss
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Sid is First Aid Responder many years now. |
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At the risk of breaking anonymity.
15years with some of voluntries helping out up to Emergency Technician Level.
Ten plus years with one of the primary response agencies.
I always encourage others to learn a bit, nice to know your way around someones body
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"There have been a few cases where people have been dragged through the courts because they made a wrong split decision, albeit voluntarily to try and save someone. It was argued they should have known better with their training. If they hadn't had training the relatives probably wouldn't have Perdue's it.
My sister who is a nurse has been advised because of this to not assist in a road accident if she happens upon it, which she struggles with as do I."
Correct, the good samaritan rule does not cover negligence from a trained person. It only covers honest mistakes by people honestly trying to save a life.
Often cops will stand back and not give first aid because of this, and a nurse or doctor can indeed be sued if they make a heaps of it under the pressure.
I can put you in a wheelchair dragging you from a car and nothing can be done to me, if an off duty fireman or nurse or cop does it, they will be sued.
If you have basic training youre safe from being sued, and if a cop tells you to stand back, you can go ahead and ignore and give first aid, a cop might tell first responders to stay back because if the cop does not, and they get hurt giving first aid they can sue the cop.
Generally 90% of us are covered to break a lot of laws to help someone as long as we are honest and really trying to help, we can speed in our cars, go through red lights, attempt cpr or first aid, ignore directions from a police man, and not be sued or get in legal trouble. |
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"Not sure making it compulsory is right. One is forcing someone to have a high level of expectations place upon them.
There have been a few cases where people have been dragged through the courts because they made a wrong split decision, albeit voluntarily to try and save someone. It was argued they should have known better with their training. If they hadn't had training the relatives probably wouldn't have Perdue's it.
My sister who is a nurse has been advised because of this to not assist in a road accident if she happens upon it, which she struggles with as do I."
What if it will be your relative friend or your own child? Will you still watch like she or he suffering or you move your ass and help?
I live there two years and from my observance and experience have to say people are: 1 cowards or 2 they aren't trained and panicking or 3 idiots/ vampires whom just waiting to see the blood and afraid to call 112!
Guys! We live in XXI century! So what that someone or not will try to sue you. Most important is saving someone's life!
In many situations every second counts and if you made wrong decision and the person is still alive you should be proud of you.
Yes, Ive been sued and won. My arguments vs family were strong and if it will happen again, I wouldn't think twice to use my knowledge and help.
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I've been trained and in a voluntary organization as well.
I think all primary school kids should be thought how to call 112/999, and why to call.
Second all TY students be first aid trained as well as all apprentices.
I also have been advised that as a first aider as long as I fellow my CPG's and don't go outside my scope of pratice I am covered against law suits. This said I could be sued but as long as I did above and have my certs in date I should win the case.
Finally I believe more people should receive First Aid training up to the new First Aid Responder level(this replaces the older OFA cert)
But that is just my view you may disagree and that's ok too. |
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"I just would like to know how many of you been trained? How many of you know what to do in the case of any emergency like stroke, heart attack or epilepsy attack? Please discuss
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I know what to do in an epilepsy attack due to my brother having it but other things no unfortunately would love to be trained you could teach me a few things I like experimenting |
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"I just would like to know how many of you been trained? How many of you know what to do in the case of any emergency like stroke, heart attack or epilepsy attack? Please discuss
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I’m a nurse so yeah I’m well trained.
I do think secondary schools should have some sort a heartsaver course, as well as the safe talk and asist training.
Realistically that would be three days out of a school year and that’s not much to ask particularly if they do them as mandatory in transition year |
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"I've been trained and in a voluntary organization as well.
I think all primary school kids should be thought how to call 112/999, and why to call.
Second all TY students be first aid trained as well as all apprentices.
I also have been advised that as a first aider as long as I fellow my CPG's and don't go outside my scope of pratice I am covered against law suits. This said I could be sued but as long as I did above and have my certs in date I should win the case.
Finally I believe more people should receive First Aid training up to the new First Aid Responder level(this replaces the older OFA cert)
But that is just my view you may disagree and that's ok too."
The problem is that in Ireland, UK the law is completely different than on the continent, also in US.
But once you are having cert then you shouldnt be afraid to use your knowledge and skills to help others.
In some European countries if you wouldn't help you may lost your driving license or even go to jail. It is not a joke. People should be trained for first aid, starting at primary school ending at workplace.
Does we have someone who work in ER dept and seen how pity it is because they couldnt saved the live of the patient?
If yes, then you know what am talking about. |
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"Not sure making it compulsory is right. One is forcing someone to have a high level of expectations place upon them.
There have been a few cases where people have been dragged through the courts because they made a wrong split decision, albeit voluntarily to try and save someone. It was argued they should have known better with their training. If they hadn't had training the relatives probably wouldn't have Perdue's it.
My sister who is a nurse has been advised because of this to not assist in a road accident if she happens upon it, which she struggles with as do I.
What if it will be your relative friend or your own child? Will you still watch like she or he suffering or you move your ass and help?
I live there two years and from my observance and experience have to say people are: 1 cowards or 2 they aren't trained and panicking or 3 idiots/ vampires whom just waiting to see the blood and afraid to call 112!
Guys! We live in XXI century! So what that someone or not will try to sue you. Most important is saving someone's life!
In many situations every second counts and if you made wrong decision and the person is still alive you should be proud of you.
Yes, Ive been sued and won. My arguments vs family were strong and if it will happen again, I wouldn't think twice to use my knowledge and help.
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The family member is very different from the general public.
We live in a claim society, and most lawyers are there to make money over ethics, so they will pursue the accused doggedly. When you're left stripped of everything, you may be proud of saving a life but you've little to live for yourself and no secure for your family or kids.
Is being a coward wrong in these sort of situations? These are not normal daily life events one comes across so some will shy away with lack of confidence, fear and even panic.
Training doesn't necessarily remove panic, it can help boost confidence but the panic is more to do with character and is reduced with experience.
I've just had a friend send me a photo of an guy in Ghana who had been knocked down in the middle of the road and people just walking and riding by. He said I want to help but last time I did I was help in jail by police accused of causing the accident and had to pay the hospital bills. So he chose not to get involved. |
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over a year ago
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Folks with vast experience in the medical environment, I would recommend people learn first aid, even a basic 1 day course as it can make a massive difference. Believe it or not knowing what NOT to do can often be as valuable as knowing what TO do.
Within the Irish system we have no legal responsibility to render care/first aid to anyone. Technically a first aider to a paramedic can walk past an injured person as they have no Duty of care to this person. However if they do stop to assist then they commence a Duty of care.
As per the pre hospital governing body “unless a patient can establish (i) that not alone did the person providing pre-hospital care fall below an acceptable standard of care, in all of the circumstances, (ii) but also that that, as a matter of probability, caused the harm complained of, an action in negligence is bound to fail.
Given the factual background and clinical complexity of most pre-hospital care situations, trying to establish this second element, i.e. that it is more likely (which is what ‘as a matter of probability’ means) that the harm ultimately suffered was caused by the pre-hospital care that was given rather than by the initial illness or accident, will present a formidable obstacle to success in any such action, as a matter of practicality”
So really if you can help you should try, it’s seldom if ever anyone does anything so wrong that they worsen the condition. However it’s been my experience that lack of action has caused more harm/death to patients by the time I ses them. |
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Folks with vast experience in the medical environment, I would recommend people learn first aid, even a basic 1 day course as it can make a massive difference. Believe it or not knowing what NOT to do can often be as valuable as knowing what TO do.
Within the Irish system we have no legal responsibility to render care/first aid to anyone. Technically a first aider to a paramedic can walk past an injured person as they have no Duty of care to this person. However if they do stop to assist then they commence a Duty of care.
As per the pre hospital governing body “unless a patient can establish (i) that not alone did the person providing pre-hospital care fall below an acceptable standard of care, in all of the circumstances, (ii) but also that that, as a matter of probability, caused the harm complained of, an action in negligence is bound to fail.
Given the factual background and clinical complexity of most pre-hospital care situations, trying to establish this second element, i.e. that it is more likely (which is what ‘as a matter of probability’ means) that the harm ultimately suffered was caused by the pre-hospital care that was given rather than by the initial illness or accident, will present a formidable obstacle to success in any such action, as a matter of practicality”
So really if you can help you should try, it’s seldom if ever anyone does anything so wrong that they worsen the condition. However it’s been my experience that lack of action has caused more harm/death to patients by the time I ses them."
Mine too. Doing nothing vs trying to save someone's life: I'll always try the second option, no matter what.
Midas said above it may have consequences. Yes, I know. But I can't just pass and do nothing if the person is suffering. Even calling 112 instead of just watching may save someone's live!
If you have no idea what to do, call112. Simple like that. |
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"The 112/999 dispatchers are trained to tell you what to do from a cut finger or faint up to childbirth & doing cpr on infants, kids & adults. "
In Ireland? Or we are talking about other countries? |
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"The 112/999 dispatchers are trained to tell you what to do from a cut finger or faint up to childbirth & doing cpr on infants, kids & adults.
In Ireland? Or we are talking about other countries?"
Yeah in Ireland they do if you was to ring 999 they advise what to do in a particular situation until the ambulance arrives |
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"In Ireland. Call takers give first aid advice on every imaginable condition/trauma. They follow prompts from a computer system. It’s highly effective "
Makes sense for me so my question then again: why people watching instead of calling 112/999?
As Ive mentioned above, I live here just 2 years and many things, situations in this country are weird vs other countries.
Its good to know why but still make a just a bit of effort and make a call. This may save other people lives... |
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"In Ireland. Call takers give first aid advice on every imaginable condition/trauma. They follow prompts from a computer system. It’s highly effective
Makes sense for me so my question then again: why people watching instead of calling 112/999?
As Ive mentioned above, I live here just 2 years and many things, situations in this country are weird vs other countries.
Its good to know why but still make a just a bit of effort and make a call. This may save other people lives..."
I think many do call. All it needs is one to call though.
I recall coming across a young biker who'd come off on a bend and hit the stone wall. A lady had stopped just before me and was there but clearly in a panic. I'd asked if she'd called it in and, she hadn't so I said please call an ambulance and keep them on the phone as I attended the young guy. It was important that the operator got vital information about the person and situation to relay on to the Ambulance, and if any changes happen they get the info. In this case a paramedic was not far and arrived before the ambulance.
Often the first 5 mins can make it a life or death situation. As said by another, the operators are trained to give you vital assistance too. |
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"In Ireland. Call takers give first aid advice on every imaginable condition/trauma. They follow prompts from a computer system. It’s highly effective
Makes sense for me so my question then again: why people watching instead of calling 112/999?
As Ive mentioned above, I live here just 2 years and many things, situations in this country are weird vs other countries.
Its good to know why but still make a just a bit of effort and make a call. This may save other people lives...
I think many do call. All it needs is one to call though.
I recall coming across a young biker who'd come off on a bend and hit the stone wall. A lady had stopped just before me and was there but clearly in a panic. I'd asked if she'd called it in and, she hadn't so I said please call an ambulance and keep them on the phone as I attended the young guy. It was important that the operator got vital information about the person and situation to relay on to the Ambulance, and if any changes happen they get the info. In this case a paramedic was not far and arrived before the ambulance.
Often the first 5 mins can make it a life or death situation. As said by another, the operators are trained to give you vital assistance too."
I know Midas from my experience. That why am shouting here a lot 
People are in panic seeing blood. But if all of them just did the basic first aid courses how to behave in the case of the emergency we could save more lives  |
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"In Ireland. Call takers give first aid advice on every imaginable condition/trauma. They follow prompts from a computer system. It’s highly effective
Makes sense for me so my question then again: why people watching instead of calling 112/999?
As Ive mentioned above, I live here just 2 years and many things, situations in this country are weird vs other countries.
Its good to know why but still make a just a bit of effort and make a call. This may save other people lives...
I think many do call. All it needs is one to call though.
I recall coming across a young biker who'd come off on a bend and hit the stone wall. A lady had stopped just before me and was there but clearly in a panic. I'd asked if she'd called it in and, she hadn't so I said please call an ambulance and keep them on the phone as I attended the young guy. It was important that the operator got vital information about the person and situation to relay on to the Ambulance, and if any changes happen they get the info. In this case a paramedic was not far and arrived before the ambulance.
Often the first 5 mins can make it a life or death situation. As said by another, the operators are trained to give you vital assistance too.
I know Midas from my experience. That why am shouting here a lot
People are in panic seeing blood. But if all of them just did the basic first aid courses how to behave in the case of the emergency we could save more lives "
My reservation was the insistence that everyone should do it. I don't like a nanny-state approach to things. Introducing first aid topic into classes in primary school is a good thing in general, I am aware that for some kids it may not be appropriate and so have reservations about making it carriculum. |
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"I just would like to know how many of you been trained? How many of you know what to do in the case of any emergency like stroke, heart attack or epilepsy attack? Please discuss
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First responder what would you like to discuss? |
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Where I work there are 2 first aiders posted on the notice board. One of whom is the owner, who’s never here. The other is a manager who no longer works here. If someone has an episode, we’re fucked, and so are they |
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"Where I work there are 2 first aiders posted on the notice board. One of whom is the owner, who’s never here. The other is a manager who no longer works here. If someone has an episode, we’re fucked, and so are they"
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Trained first responder here also , late one night on the back of the Curragh I saw a car vere off the road and into the ditch . The driver had had a heart attack at the wheel . I managed to pull him out of the car in the ditch , perform cpr and call an ambulance which saved his life , the training kicked in , when I got home eventually at 4 am I realized I’d torn all the skin off both my knees in the effort to drag him out of the ditch , but at the time I felt nothing despite being covered in my own blood. His greatful wife tracked me down a few days later to thank me , the man had been working all the hours of the clock and stress caused the heart attack , she couldn’t believe he’d been lucky enough to meet another car on the back roads at that hour , anyone else would’ve presumed he was likely d*unk (was Xmas week) and stayed going ! |
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"Trained first responder here also , late one night on the back of the Curragh I saw a car vere off the road and into the ditch . The driver had had a heart attack at the wheel . I managed to pull him out of the car in the ditch , perform cpr and call an ambulance which saved his life , the training kicked in , when I got home eventually at 4 am I realized I’d torn all the skin off both my knees in the effort to drag him out of the ditch , but at the time I felt nothing despite being covered in my own blood. His greatful wife tracked me down a few days later to thank me , the man had been working all the hours of the clock and stress caused the heart attack , she couldn’t believe he’d been lucky enough to meet another car on the back roads at that hour , anyone else would’ve presumed he was likely d*unk (was Xmas week) and stayed going ! "
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I've done many first aid courses, from simple cpr, to mountain survival, tropical, Arctic, rescue, at sea, etc. What I learned most from these trainings was how to do a very quick risk assessment, stay calm, call for help, and try to help the casualty. I once gave assistance to a person, with cpr, who unfortunately died. Nobody sued me. I'd find it impossible to walk past someone who needed assistance and not offer help, and wouldn't be concerned about being sued. |
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yep sure have...never had to use it yet thank god |
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First responder for over 20 years. Only recertified last year. It's a requirement both professionally and with some of the organisations I volunteer with. My training also includes emergency childbirth, and heights, coast and mountain rescue. If I had to actually use any of it though I'd probably shit myself.... Much admiration for those who do so on a daily basis (save lives.... Not shit themselves... Obvs!)  |
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"Thank you for all your answers.
Another question on board: Do you think it should or not to be obligatory training starting at primary schools and then be refreshed every few years?
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Maybe not occupational First Aid, but can see no reason why a very basic level can't be taught to children at primary level. Even if it only covers bumps and bruises and who to call if Granny slips on their Legos or Grandpa slumps over and starts slurring his words. These are things that can also be taught by parents of course, but do all parents know what to do in these situations? |
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CFR/OFA trained through work
Always carry an IFAK when working events and have a larger kit in both my car and my work kit bag too
Never know when you’ll come across something |
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"CFR/OFA trained through work
Always carry an IFAK when working events and have a larger kit in both my car and my work kit bag too
Never know when you’ll come across something "
And sometimes a simple move or action is the difference between life or death for the victim |
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