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At the very minimum he did enough to get himself sent to jail in the UK and Ireland and put on a sex offender list. Even if they couldn't prove sex happened, enough happened that was against the law. |
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Well he definately wentbto bed with those boys . The parents gave their permission . And he paid millions in hush money. Never seen a more guilty paedo sicko |
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"Well he definately wentbto bed with those boys . The parents gave their permission . And he paid millions in hush money. Never seen a more guilty paedo sicko"
He's dead
The truth will never out now |
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"Well he definately wentbto bed with those boys . The parents gave their permission . And he paid millions in hush money. Never seen a more guilty paedo sicko
He's dead
The truth will never out now"
None of them ever admit it when alive. None. |
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"Well he definately wentbto bed with those boys . The parents gave their permission . And he paid millions in hush money. Never seen a more guilty paedo sicko
He's dead
The truth will never out now
None of them ever admit it when alive. None."
And he can't admit it now he's dead
I'm not making light of the matter
I just don't know what comfort it brings to the potential victims seeing this trawled over years after the fact |
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"Well he definately wentbto bed with those boys . The parents gave their permission . And he paid millions in hush money. Never seen a more guilty paedo sicko
He's dead
The truth will never out now
None of them ever admit it when alive. None.
And he can't admit it now he's dead
I'm not making light of the matter
I just don't know what comfort it brings to the potential victims seeing this trawled over years after the fact"
The comfort of the all.importznt greenback |
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"Well he definately wentbto bed with those boys . The parents gave their permission . And he paid millions in hush money. Never seen a more guilty paedo sicko
He's dead
The truth will never out now
None of them ever admit it when alive. None.
And he can't admit it now he's dead
I'm not making light of the matter
I just don't know what comfort it brings to the potential victims seeing this trawled over years after the fact
The comfort of the all.importznt greenback "
Yeah and he offered $23 million dollars to one child not to go public . That was 1994 so probably worth $50 million today . That was just one child. Wake up and smell the coffee . |
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"Well he definately wentbto bed with those boys . The parents gave their permission . And he paid millions in hush money. Never seen a more guilty paedo sicko"
His cleaner said he made sex tapes of him abusing young boys..when neverland was raided said tapes were hidden after he was tipped off..his cleaner was also threatened by wackos security that if she said anything her and her family would be killed |
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"Even if he was having sexual contact with children, I'd still class him as a victim..."
He was
And it's proven victims oft become abusers
Doesn't excuse anything
It's just such a sad case
Money does not bring happiness or content |
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I blame The parents letting their 7year old stay in a adult mans bedroom,fuckin ridiculous,even left for weeks alone with them. My son is 7 and he not allowed go the shops alone!! Crazy American fuckwits..... |
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"Even if he was having sexual contact with children, I'd still class him as a victim...
He was
And it's proven victims oft become abusers
Doesn't excuse anything
It's just such a sad case
Money does not bring happiness or content"
Hi Geordie, I don't know about how guilty or not he was, I believe the parents of the abused children are the ones with questions to answer..
However, on the "money doesn't buy happiness" front;
I'm with John Wayne...
"Its more comfortable to cry in the back of a Mercedes than on a bicycle "
Olliepops
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Those saying the parents are to blame don't realise the predator a paedophile is. You might say the same to the parent of the swimmer abused by a coach or a pupil abused by a teacher.
The predators spot the vulnerable children like here where the parents were seduced by the thought of their kids fame.
He was a paedophile with money. Simple as. In the world we now live in he would be in jail.
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Watch “Abducted in plain sight”. Same MO, grooming, separating from parents etc. Sicko Jacko had a different young boy with him almost 24/7 every year , for years and years. Sleeping with him. Those are the indisputable facts. So it’s just whether he had sex with them. Are there people out there who 100 % believe that Sicko just liked being around young boys, playing games with them, making them their best friends, showering them with gifts, phoning them for 5 hours a day , sleeping with them and he was just a big kid himself?, who just wanted young boyfriends ?Really?. OMG. |
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It sounds to me like nobody here has actually watched the documentary...
Jacko himself was exploited right until the day he died, the guy was not all there mentally. The children he allegedly abused were all initially approached by members of his staff, not him.
Theres never an excuse for this type of behavior, it's just a unique situation. |
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"It sounds to me like nobody here has actually watched the documentary...
Jacko himself was exploited right until the day he died, the guy was not all there mentally. The children he allegedly abused were all initially approached by members of his staff, not him.
Theres never an excuse for this type of behavior, it's just a unique situation. "
I watched it |
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I watched the documentary and also the Jackson estate attempt to discredit it. The documentary delivers absolutely irrefutable proof he was an aggressive child abuser who covered his tracks and even coached the kids in helping him hide it.
Let's be clear here. He rap***ed 7 year old children. Simple as.
To those that say he had a hard upbringing. Fuck you and your shit. Fuck you. Fuck you.
Lots of children have terrible upbringings. Most of them do not ra****e 7 year old boys. It's not an excuse and it's not an explanation. He did it because he wanted to do it
So fuck off with your excuses for defending a child Abuser
Funny when you tear away all the bull shit how clear it becomes.
If Jackson hadn't died in 2009 he would be serving life |
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"I watched the documentary and also the Jackson estate attempt to discredit it. The documentary delivers absolutely irrefutable proof he was an aggressive child abuser who covered his tracks and even coached the kids in helping him hide it.
Let's be clear here. He rap***ed 7 year old children. Simple as.
To those that say he had a hard upbringing. Fuck you and your shit. Fuck you. Fuck you.
Lots of children have terrible upbringings. Most of them do not ra****e 7 year old boys. It's not an excuse and it's not an explanation. He did it because he wanted to do it
So fuck off with your excuses for defending a child Abuser
Funny when you tear away all the bull shit how clear it becomes.
If Jackson hadn't died in 2009 he would be serving life "
Which documentary did you watch? Doesnt sound like the same one to me! |
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From what I watched he was not aggressive, both the boys mothers stated that he was nice and how they treated him as part of the family. You could say he groomed the parents as well as the children... I'm hoping tonight will explains why now the stories have changed, when Jackson was accused in 2005 both these boys was adults they had opportunity to convict the accuser or stand trial to go against him when under oath they said he did nothing... |
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"I watched the documentary and also the Jackson estate attempt to discredit it. The documentary delivers absolutely irrefutable proof he was an aggressive child abuser who covered his tracks and even coached the kids in helping him hide it.
Let's be clear here. He rap***ed 7 year old children. Simple as.
To those that say he had a hard upbringing. Fuck you and your shit. Fuck you. Fuck you.
Lots of children have terrible upbringings. Most of them do not ra****e 7 year old boys. It's not an excuse and it's not an explanation. He did it because he wanted to do it
So fuck off with your excuses for defending a child Abuser
Funny when you tear away all the bull shit how clear it becomes.
If Jackson hadn't died in 2009 he would be serving life
Which documentary did you watch? Doesnt sound like the same one to me!"
Nope - doesn’t sound like the same one we all watched last night . You must have been watching something else that showed Sicko as a normal, caring man and not a sick, twisted paedo. I would have liked to have met him 1 on 1 in a locked room but I’m sure the Q would have been quite long |
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"From what I watched he was not aggressive, both the boys mothers stated that he was nice and how they treated him as part of the family. You could say he groomed the parents as well as the children... I'm hoping tonight will explains why now the stories have changed, when Jackson was accused in 2005 both these boys was adults they had opportunity to convict the accuser or stand trial to go against him when under oath they said he did nothing... "
Do you not know anything about child abuse?. Where have you been for the last 20 years?. Have you not seen case after case after case after case where the abused children say nothing at all for years, decades . Have you not noticed that. All the major celebrity paedos- Saville etc, were not challenged for 30 years or more and he had hundreds of victims. Maybe educate yourself into the subject. Jeez.
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"I watched the documentary and also the Jackson estate attempt to discredit it. The documentary delivers absolutely irrefutable proof he was an aggressive child abuser who covered his tracks and even coached the kids in helping him hide it.
Let's be clear here. He rap***ed 7 year old children. Simple as.
To those that say he had a hard upbringing. Fuck you and your shit. Fuck you. Fuck you.
Lots of children have terrible upbringings. Most of them do not ra****e 7 year old boys. It's not an excuse and it's not an explanation. He did it because he wanted to do it
So fuck off with your excuses for defending a child Abuser
Funny when you tear away all the bull shit how clear it becomes.
If Jackson hadn't died in 2009 he would be serving life
Which documentary did you watch? Doesnt sound like the same one to me!
Nope - doesn’t sound like the same one we all watched last night . You must have been watching something else that showed Sicko as a normal, caring man and not a sick, twisted paedo. I would have liked to have met him 1 on 1 in a locked room but I’m sure the Q would have been quite long"
but that is how it showed him as caring bringing them to be Neverland the gifts even the mothers said he was as they thought at the time part of the family, what happened in front of the parents or didn't happen was done away from parents supervision. I will say if it was my child in the documentary last night the mothers did not say a bad word against him, didn't say he was a gentleman to us but a sick twisted human behind closed door with my child present.... |
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"From what I watched he was not aggressive, both the boys mothers stated that he was nice and how they treated him as part of the family. You could say he groomed the parents as well as the children... I'm hoping tonight will explains why now the stories have changed, when Jackson was accused in 2005 both these boys was adults they had opportunity to convict the accuser or stand trial to go against him when under oath they said he did nothing...
Do you not know anything about child abuse?. Where have you been for the last 20 years?. Have you not seen case after case after case after case where the abused children say nothing at all for years, decades . Have you not noticed that. All the major celebrity paedos- Saville etc, were not challenged for 30 years or more and he had hundreds of victims. Maybe educate yourself into the subject. Jeez.
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cause I dont agree with what your saying please dont tell me to educate myself....I'm expressing my opinion and not asking to agree or tell you to educate yourself.... |
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"From what I watched he was not aggressive, both the boys mothers stated that he was nice and how they treated him as part of the family. You could say he groomed the parents as well as the children... I'm hoping tonight will explains why now the stories have changed, when Jackson was accused in 2005 both these boys was adults they had opportunity to convict the accuser or stand trial to go against him when under oath they said he did nothing...
Do you not know anything about child abuse?. Where have you been for the last 20 years?. Have you not seen case after case after case after case where the abused children say nothing at all for years, decades . Have you not noticed that. All the major celebrity paedos- Saville etc, were not challenged for 30 years or more and he had hundreds of victims. Maybe educate yourself into the subject. Jeez.
cause I dont agree with what your saying please dont tell me to educate myself....I'm expressing my opinion and not asking to agree or tell you to educate yourself...."
People like you probably think Saville was a great charity fundraiser who had a hard childhood where his father beat him and he was just misunderstood. Snowflakes everywhere |
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"I watched the documentary and also the Jackson estate attempt to discredit it. The documentary delivers absolutely irrefutable proof he was an aggressive child abuser who covered his tracks and even coached the kids in helping him hide it.
Let's be clear here. He rap***ed 7 year old children. Simple as.
To those that say he had a hard upbringing. Fuck you and your shit. Fuck you. Fuck you.
Lots of children have terrible upbringings. Most of them do not ra****e 7 year old boys. It's not an excuse and it's not an explanation. He did it because he wanted to do it
So fuck off with your excuses for defending a child Abuser
Funny when you tear away all the bull shit how clear it becomes.
If Jackson hadn't died in 2009 he would be serving life
Which documentary did you watch? Doesnt sound like the same one to me!
Nope - doesn’t sound like the same one we all watched last night . You must have been watching something else that showed Sicko as a normal, caring man and not a sick, twisted paedo. I would have liked to have met him 1 on 1 in a locked room but I’m sure the Q would have been quite long but that is how it showed him as caring bringing them to be Neverland the gifts even the mothers said he was as they thought at the time part of the family, what happened in front of the parents or didn't happen was done away from parents supervision. I will say if it was my child in the documentary last night the mothers did not say a bad word against him, didn't say he was a gentleman to us but a sick twisted human behind closed door with my child present.... "
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"I watched the documentary and also the Jackson estate attempt to discredit it. The documentary delivers absolutely irrefutable proof he was an aggressive child abuser who covered his tracks and even coached the kids in helping him hide it.
Let's be clear here. He rap***ed 7 year old children. Simple as.
To those that say he had a hard upbringing. Fuck you and your shit. Fuck you. Fuck you.
Lots of children have terrible upbringings. Most of them do not ra****e 7 year old boys. It's not an excuse and it's not an explanation. He did it because he wanted to do it
So fuck off with your excuses for defending a child Abuser
Funny when you tear away all the bull shit how clear it becomes.
If Jackson hadn't died in 2009 he would be serving life
Which documentary did you watch? Doesnt sound like the same one to me!
Nope - doesn’t sound like the same one we all watched last night . You must have been watching something else that showed Sicko as a normal, caring man and not a sick, twisted paedo. I would have liked to have met him 1 on 1 in a locked room but I’m sure the Q would have been quite long but that is how it showed him as caring bringing them to be Neverland the gifts even the mothers said he was as they thought at the time part of the family, what happened in front of the parents or didn't happen was done away from parents supervision. I will say if it was my child in the documentary last night the mothers did not say a bad word against him, didn't say he was a gentleman to us but a sick twisted human behind closed door with my child present....
Dear god woman "
... dear God man my opinion have a nice day and stop quoting me .  |
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What's bizarre about it all. Half way through second episode. Why would you let an old man sleep in a room you are not in with your seven year old.
I'm a huge Kylie fan but not in this lifetime would my daughter sleep in her room. And what about them letting him be around their kids after the allegations, after the pay offs. Nooooo.
We'll never know the truth as much as we'll never know where Madelaine McGann ended up. |
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"What's bizarre about it all. Half way through second episode. Why would you let an old man sleep in a room you are not in with your seven year old.
I'm a huge Kylie fan but not in this lifetime would my daughter sleep in her room. And what about them letting him be around their kids after the allegations, after the pay offs. Nooooo.
We'll never know the truth as much as we'll never know where Madelaine McGann ended up. "
It’s called grooming |
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"What's bizarre about it all. Half way through second episode. Why would you let an old man sleep in a room you are not in with your seven year old."
Well lets not pretend like Irish women give a shit about their babies. It's just American Liberalism. People who agree with them are victims, and people who disagree with them are scum.
Jacko gets a pass for actions done to children, and Tommy Robinson gets banned from the internet for speaking some words..
That kind of shit, irish people love it. |
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"What's bizarre about it all. Half way through second episode. Why would you let an old man sleep in a room you are not in with your seven year old.
Well lets not pretend like Irish women give a shit about their babies. It's just American Liberalism. People who agree with them are victims, and people who disagree with them are scum.
Jacko gets a pass for actions done to children, and Tommy Robinson gets banned from the internet for speaking some words..
That kind of shit, irish people love it. "
Irish women don't give a shit about their babies ?
What an utterly ludicrous blanket assertion to make. Are there examples where that's true ? I'm sure there are a few but to generalise all in the same manner is willfully ignorant.
You've defended the church on plenty of threads though so can see the dogma of treating women like shit shining through.
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"Irish women don't give a shit about their babies ?
What an utterly ludicrous blanket assertion to make. Are there examples where that's true ? I'm sure there are a few but to generalise all in the same manner is willfully ignorant.
You've defended the church on plenty of threads though so can see the dogma of treating women like shit shining through.
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Well what will be happening in Africa because irish women wanted it is pretty awful, no? |
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Regardless if he did or didn’t do these crimes.. this documentary was more or less a court version of a prosecution version finding him guilty. Would be much fairer if a defence documentary was filmed also.
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"Irish women don't give a shit about their babies ?
What an utterly ludicrous blanket assertion to make. Are there examples where that's true ? I'm sure there are a few but to generalise all in the same manner is willfully ignorant.
You've defended the church on plenty of threads though so can see the dogma of treating women like shit shining through.
Well what will be happening in Africa because irish women wanted it is pretty awful, no?"
Such wonderful detail you go into..It's very hard to disagree with your narrative. |
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"Irish women don't give a shit about their babies ?
What an utterly ludicrous blanket assertion to make. Are there examples where that's true ? I'm sure there are a few but to generalise all in the same manner is willfully ignorant.
You've defended the church on plenty of threads though so can see the dogma of treating women like shit shining through.
Well what will be happening in Africa because irish women wanted it is pretty awful, no?"
Is this written in code? |
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I agree about it been done too late. I'd love to have seen the creep hunted down and jailed. As it was by the time he died he was on the run. Paying out tens of millions to victims isn't sustainable for any guy. No different than Jimmy Saville. These guys kept ahead of justice.
But to suggest that "he never was tried so we will never know" is daft. It's plain to see he was a serial abuser |
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A comment i saw today.
Just a heads up for anybody who has 4 hours to waste to listen to people lie about being sexually abused, maybe you should get to know some facts first before letting the media give you a biased opinion.
For a start the alleged ‘victims’ have both previously swore under oath and signed declarations to say that nothing inappropriate ever happened.
Wade Robson, the self proclaimed ‘master of deception.’ His own Mother said he could get an Oscar for his lies, was a key witness in the 2005 trial and helped Michael be acquitted. He continued to praise Michael and use his name for his career until 2012 when work dried up. He even personally emailed Michael’s nephew and asked if him and his family could go to his memorial. He wanted to be successful and got the opportunity to be a film director of a dance film. It got too much for him so he tried to get a job on a famous Michael dance show called ‘One’ when they found someone who was more appropriate to replace him he turned sour and all of a sudden realised he was sexually abused for 7 years. If you do watch the documentary you will see him burn some memorabilia from Michael, it must be that repressed memory again because an Julian’s auction house came forward the day after it aired and said he had sold the items to them in 2011 and tried to remain anonymous but they wouldn’t allow it. ?? He tried to sue Michael’s estate for millions and it got thrown out of court as there is no evidence and he has left it too late, not to forget the fact he has previously swore under oath, which is perjury. The reason they have done the documentary is because they are now in debt to the estate and are desperate for people to believe them. Believe what you want, but I 100 percent personally believe the man was innocent and was proven so in the 2005 trial. Not to mention the FBI followed him for ten years and found nothing. This is all about money and someone so desparate to be known and trying to stay relevant. It is so convenient that it’s coming up to his 10 year death anniversary too.
It’s sad when we are moving forward with sexual abuse with things like the #metoo movement that proven liars, get away with slandering a dead man, but as Michael once said;
‘Lies run sprints but the truth runs marathons.’
#anythinganythingformoney #proveninnocent #channel4shameonyoufactsdontliepeopledo |
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"A comment i saw today.
Just a heads up for anybody who has 4 hours to waste to listen to people lie about being sexually abused, maybe you should get to know some facts first before letting the media give you a biased opinion.
For a start the alleged ‘victims’ have both previously swore under oath and signed declarations to say that nothing inappropriate ever happened.
Wade Robson, the self proclaimed ‘master of deception.’ His own Mother said he could get an Oscar for his lies, was a key witness in the 2005 trial and helped Michael be acquitted. He continued to praise Michael and use his name for his career until 2012 when work dried up. He even personally emailed Michael’s nephew and asked if him and his family could go to his memorial. He wanted to be successful and got the opportunity to be a film director of a dance film. It got too much for him so he tried to get a job on a famous Michael dance show called ‘One’ when they found someone who was more appropriate to replace him he turned sour and all of a sudden realised he was sexually abused for 7 years. If you do watch the documentary you will see him burn some memorabilia from Michael, it must be that repressed memory again because an Julian’s auction house came forward the day after it aired and said he had sold the items to them in 2011 and tried to remain anonymous but they wouldn’t allow it. ?? He tried to sue Michael’s estate for millions and it got thrown out of court as there is no evidence and he has left it too late, not to forget the fact he has previously swore under oath, which is perjury. The reason they have done the documentary is because they are now in debt to the estate and are desperate for people to believe them. Believe what you want, but I 100 percent personally believe the man was innocent and was proven so in the 2005 trial. Not to mention the FBI followed him for ten years and found nothing. This is all about money and someone so desparate to be known and trying to stay relevant. It is so convenient that it’s coming up to his 10 year death anniversary too.
It’s sad when we are moving forward with sexual abuse with things like the #metoo movement that proven liars, get away with slandering a dead man, but as Michael once said;
‘Lies run sprints but the truth runs marathons.’
#anythinganythingformoney #proveninnocent #channel4shameonyoufactsdontliepeopledo"
Well said man I don't believe for one second he touched anyone inappropriately yes he was odd but that's what made him unique he stood for what is right when is his anniversary I'll be proud to play his music |
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"A comment i saw today.
Just a heads up for anybody who has 4 hours to waste to listen to people lie about being sexually abused, maybe you should get to know some facts first before letting the media give you a biased opinion.
For a start the alleged ‘victims’ have both previously swore under oath and signed declarations to say that nothing inappropriate ever happened.
Wade Robson, the self proclaimed ‘master of deception.’ His own Mother said he could get an Oscar for his lies, was a key witness in the 2005 trial and helped Michael be acquitted. He continued to praise Michael and use his name for his career until 2012 when work dried up. He even personally emailed Michael’s nephew and asked if him and his family could go to his memorial. He wanted to be successful and got the opportunity to be a film director of a dance film. It got too much for him so he tried to get a job on a famous Michael dance show called ‘One’ when they found someone who was more appropriate to replace him he turned sour and all of a sudden realised he was sexually abused for 7 years. If you do watch the documentary you will see him burn some memorabilia from Michael, it must be that repressed memory again because an Julian’s auction house came forward the day after it aired and said he had sold the items to them in 2011 and tried to remain anonymous but they wouldn’t allow it. ?? He tried to sue Michael’s estate for millions and it got thrown out of court as there is no evidence and he has left it too late, not to forget the fact he has previously swore under oath, which is perjury. The reason they have done the documentary is because they are now in debt to the estate and are desperate for people to believe them. Believe what you want, but I 100 percent personally believe the man was innocent and was proven so in the 2005 trial. Not to mention the FBI followed him for ten years and found nothing. This is all about money and someone so desparate to be known and trying to stay relevant. It is so convenient that it’s coming up to his 10 year death anniversary too.
It’s sad when we are moving forward with sexual abuse with things like the #metoo movement that proven liars, get away with slandering a dead man, but as Michael once said;
‘Lies run sprints but the truth runs marathons.’
#anythinganythingformoney #proveninnocent #channel4shameonyoufactsdontliepeopledo
Well said man I don't believe for one second he touched anyone inappropriately yes he was odd but that's what made him unique he stood for what is right when is his anniversary I'll be proud to play his music "
I didn't say it, it's just a comment I saw on the matter today. Interesting piece |
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" Not to mention the FBI followed him for ten years and found nothing."
That argument swings both ways, the FBI folllowed a man for 10 years with zero, nothing as evidence? You believe that? It means they found plenty as documented by them, including the sharing of beds, and adult material, alcohol etc etc etc
They found so much they spent 10 years trying to figure a way of making it stick in court and even brought him to court, but eventually ran out of options, as too much money had passed hands and too many people had perjured themselves. |
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"Wonder if the demand for a lie detector test will be answered........at least then there would be no doubt"
They dont work all the time. If you clench your ass sphincter during each question and answer then you hide any rise during a lie. |
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"Wonder if the demand for a lie detector test will be answered........at least then there would be no doubt"
Would make sense to do so, haven't watched it yet so have no real feeling on what to think. I do personally think that no kid should have been let sleep over in his house, no matter what. Surely MJ"s people or the kids parents should have used a bit more common sense. |
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"Wonder if the demand for a lie detector test will be answered........at least then there would be no doubt
They dont work all the time. If you clench your ass sphincter during each question and answer then you hide any rise during a lie."
Pmsl......but still used in court cases.....I wonder why |
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"Wonder if the demand for a lie detector test will be answered........at least then there would be no doubt
They dont work all the time. If you clench your ass sphincter during each question and answer then you hide any rise during a lie.
Pmsl......but still used in court cases.....I wonder why"
Which court case was a "lie detector" used to prove guilt or innocence. So far as I know they are inadmissible due to being beatable. |
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"Wonder if the demand for a lie detector test will be answered........at least then there would be no doubt
They dont work all the time. If you clench your ass sphincter during each question and answer then you hide any rise during a lie.
Pmsl......but still used in court cases.....I wonder why
Which court case was a "lie detector" used to prove guilt or innocence. So far as I know they are inadmissible due to being beatable. "
United States v. Scheffer (1998), the US Supreme Courtleft it up to individual jurisdictions whether polygraph results could be admitted as evidence in court cases. Maybe not allowed here but America. |
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Just incase I'm coming across wrong. Definitely think there is some truth in it but at the same time I still think it's all about the money and what they can earn out of the situation now. At the time I think the parents should be accountable too. They basically sold their kids to Michael Jackson, a complete rich stranger |
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He was a definitely a paedophile..a very shrewd and cunnimg individual who ingratiated himself to his victims and their families..he was that good he was able to convince parents to leave their little boys alone with him for days on end..the reason people dont seem to believe he was a paedophile is because his victims dont seem to be damaged in any way..there were no threats of violence no rough treatment..it was sex abuse but done in a nicest way possible..hes that good that he can still fool people even 10 years after his death..unbelievable  |
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"United States v. Scheffer (1998), the US Supreme Courtleft it up to individual jurisdictions whether polygraph results could be admitted as evidence in court cases. Maybe not allowed here but America."
They allow it because the test can come back in 3 states, Truth, Inconclusive, lie.
A normal person doing a test run by a proper expert can only ever hope to have the test marked inconclusive and will not be able to have a lie turned into a truth.
But inconclusive does not mean you cheated, it can mean you were nervous, or emotional etc.
So on a case by case basis they can decide what they want to do themselves. Often the police get guilty people to take one and fail it, just by suggesting it. |
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I'm not convinced he did do it. I'm not convinced that he didn't do it either.
An adult outside of family in the same bed as kids regardless of intent is wrong. I've no idea what actually happened in MJ's childhood so it's impossible to tell what impact it had on his adult life.
There is a lot of evidence that suggests theanjority of abusers were abused as kids themselves.
That does not mean the majority of abused kids go on to abuse either. 2 totally seperate statements.
Psychological consequences can manifest themselves in myriad forms of unhealthy/distressing behaviour.
I know a girl very very well who was forced against her consent in her teens to have sex but to this day sespite that experience wants it to be repeated and not in a roleplay type scenario. A lovely girl and outside of that admission doesn't have any other "peculiar" personality traits.
Abuse be it sexual/violent/emotional can literally change the neurological make-up of the person who suffers it. Without proper treatment it is very easy to see how individuals lead themselves down dark paths when from a young age they do not have the same societal norms the rest of the population adhere.
The shame and fear often stops people seeking help which indeed is self sabotage but understandable at the same time when experiences are opened up about.
The situation is grim if he did indeed do it.
If he didn't and the guys in the documentary are looking to make a few bob it is equally grim . |
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I haven't seen the documentary yet but once I do I shall add further opinion.
One thing I do know is that people can create documentaries to create any kind of bias or paint any kind of picture, if they do it well enough.
That's how media works, people open up their newspapers and swallow the bullshit they are being fed, (and without question, which is what makes it more scary).
Was Michael Jackson a paedophile or was he guilty? I honestly can't answer that question and I honestly don't know. I wouldn't leap on a bandwagon and say he was or wasn't simply because of wanting to believe either viewpoint.
One thing I can say is that he was definitely one of the greatest entertainers this planet has ever known and there are very few who can dispute that.
As for the rest, I shall come back once I watch the documentary rather than spouting off a biased opinion. |
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Does Alanis Morissette get a free pass to sleep in bed with children, her album sold more than the bad album.
Just for the record, I pretty much think Jackson was a shit artist who walked backward. If he wasn't around what we be missing today? maybe justin beiber and chris brown haha, fucking pathetic.
Its not like he was coltraine and wrote great steps.
So come on, tell me what he did that was a game changer, something the world cant do without. |
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"Even if he was having sexual contact with children, I'd still class him as a victim..."
Omg can't believe you even posted that comment ...If you believe that you seriously need help yourself ... |
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"Does Alanis Morissette get a free pass to sleep in bed with children, her album sold more than the bad album.
Just for the record, I pretty much think Jackson was a shit artist who walked backward. If he wasn't around what we be missing today? maybe justin beiber and chris brown haha, fucking pathetic.
Its not like he was coltraine and wrote great steps.
So come on, tell me what he did that was a game changer, something the world cant do without."
I'll start by quoting yourself. You pretty much think, therefore you've already admitted that it's your opinion. Walked backward? Anyone can do that. He danced and one of his renowned dance moves was the MOONWALK that took the world by storm.
Shit artist? Again, that's subjective opinion. His sales and history state otherwise.
I could copy and paste all day long from relevant sources but then this post would be way too long for others to read based on the original purpose of the thread.
So I'll give this one link.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Michael_Jackson_records_and_achievements#US_chart_records_and_achievements
I am also well aware that Wikipedia isn't always the most reliable source for information so am willing to further the debate with other links and sources if need be.
This link details all his achievements. Number one singles, albums, top tens, sales volumes and so on.
Based on those achievements alone, breaking records and holding them, etc, for someone to say he was a shit artist, that is subjective opinion.
I can turn round and say I don't like Garth Brooks' music or any other artist or band but I can understand why his music appeals to other people even if I don't like it. It boils down to subjective opinion on what is good music or not, or who is a good artist or band or not but sales volumes and records speak for themselves.
In terms of that, there are very few that can dispute that Michael Jackson was one of the greatest artist' or entertainers that ever lived on this planet.
Did he deserve it? That's a whole different debate.
Was he a paedophile? Was he guilty? That's not my hill to die on.
One thing I can say though is that if he was guilty and he were still alive then he would deserve every punishment he got.
And whilst I would defend his achievements (as an artist) and his music i certainly would not defend his actions as a person or individual.
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I saw some people defending jackson saying "well there are loads of kids that stayed in neverland that say he didn't abuse them so that proves he must be innocent" by that logic the church must be innocent too because there are loads of kids that say they didn't abuse them. I know this is quite pedantic but the head in the sand attitude of some of his defenders is mind boggling. Dude was warped its that simple regardless of how good his music was. His music touched many people as he did himself. |
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I'll allow you to quote me on that. 
