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"They're hugely trendy at the moment. Don't see anything wrong with it. "
the only problem I see is no helmets but they're also kids on the road on them. They are engine operated and go a fair speed.
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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago
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"They're hugely trendy at the moment. Don't see anything wrong with it. the only problem I see is no helmets but they're also kids on the road on them. They are engine operated and go a fair speed."
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"They're hugely trendy at the moment. Don't see anything wrong with it. the only problem I see is no helmets but they're also kids on the road on them. They are engine operated and go a fair speed.
A smart head wears protection. "
one thing wearing head gear, it's another thing children on the road operating them. |
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I was in Barcelona recently and the amount of people using them going to work, some wearing helmets some not. I think kids using them on the road is far too dangerous especially without helmets or protection. Also I highly doubt they are legally allowed to be used on public roads. |
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"Also I highly doubt they are legally allowed to be used on public roads."
the guards would know the answer there. They deffo can't be used on footpaths, the speed they go. If they collided with somebody they'd destroy them.
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It's probably the same parents who let their kids out on those awful go karts over the past few years. You couldn't walk through my local village in summer without having to step out into traffic to avoid some entitled little prick barrelling down the footpath towards you. Or there'd be groups of them taking over the roads and holding up traffic. Ugggghhh. |
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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago
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"Also I highly doubt they are legally allowed to be used on public roads.the guards would know the answer there. They deffo can't be used on footpaths, the speed they go. If they collided with somebody they'd destroy them. "
Ahh you guys sound like grumpy old men. Why should they not be allowed on the road? Not much of a difference to a bicycle or an ebike and certainly more environmental friendly than a car.
Although I agree they don't belong on footpaths and they're not toys. |
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"Also I highly doubt they are legally allowed to be used on public roads.the guards would know the answer there. They deffo can't be used on footpaths, the speed they go. If they collided with somebody they'd destroy them.
Ahh you guys sound like grumpy old men. Why should they not be allowed on the road? Not much of a difference to a bicycle or an ebike and certainly more environmental friendly than a car.
Although I agree they don't belong on footpaths and they're not toys. "
because in the vast majority of cases it's kids driving them who havnt a clue of road usage and the rules of the road. A bicycle is peddled. These are engine controlled. |
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"Ahh you guys sound like grumpy old men. Why should they not be allowed on the road? Not much of a difference to a bicycle or an ebike and certainly more environmental friendly than a car.
Although I agree they don't belong on footpaths and they're not toys. "
An e-bike must not provide power unless the person is pedaling, and can not provide assistance over certain speeds. So for example if you hit 50mph all assistance shuts off.
If it is propelled by only a motor, then it needs to be taxed and insured and licensed. Thats just the rules.
People think they can only hurt themselves. But I know someone hit by a bicycle and it took 2 years of rehab before they could walk again, and they will need assitance walking for the rest of their life, canes and walking sticks. They also damage peoples cars in traffic and parked cars, and if a car swerves to avoid them, they are to blame but cycle/scoot off.
With a single whiplash claim costing your insurance 15k, then all of these things on the road should have to go through tests, and be insured. Because none of them are adhereing to anything close to normal rules of the road in the city of Dublin. Bouncing off paths, jumping up on paths, using the road beside cycle paths, They dont use traffic lights properly, they are totally unpredictable which means you have to give them nearly all your focus when youre driving, which causes dangers to others on the road. |
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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago
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"Ahh you guys sound like grumpy old men. Why should they not be allowed on the road? Not much of a difference to a bicycle or an ebike and certainly more environmental friendly than a car.
Although I agree they don't belong on footpaths and they're not toys.
An e-bike must not provide power unless the person is pedaling, and can not provide assistance over certain speeds. So for example if you hit 50mph all assistance shuts off.
If it is propelled by only a motor, then it needs to be taxed and insured and licensed. Thats just the rules.
People think they can only hurt themselves. But I know someone hit by a bicycle and it took 2 years of rehab before they could walk again, and they will need assitance walking for the rest of their life, canes and walking sticks. They also damage peoples cars in traffic and parked cars, and if a car swerves to avoid them, they are to blame but cycle/scoot off.
With a single whiplash claim costing your insurance 15k, then all of these things on the road should have to go through tests, and be insured. Because none of them are adhereing to anything close to normal rules of the road in the city of Dublin. Bouncing off paths, jumping up on paths, using the road beside cycle paths, They dont use traffic lights properly, they are totally unpredictable which means you have to give them nearly all your focus when youre driving, which causes dangers to others on the road."
If you look at statistics of traffic injuries and claims, the ones caused by bicycles and scooters are marginal to cars, buses and lorries. However agree once you use the road the rules apply to all participants.
Got knocked over by a bicycle once myself, on a zebra crossing, didn't even see the fella coming. So I know how much it hurts, luckily had no serious injuries but a sore elbow for a day or two.
'Electric vehicles or any other Mechanically Propelled Vehicles (MPV) do not need to be taxed or insured in Ireland as long as they don't go over 45 mph. ... The driver of the scooter does not require a driving licence as the scooters are not a MPV in terms of road traffic legislation' - https://gyrowheel.ie/faq/
Tax is based on carbon emission, not on road usage.
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"Ahh you guys sound like grumpy old men. Why should they not be allowed on the road? Not much of a difference to a bicycle or an ebike and certainly more environmental friendly than a car.
Although I agree they don't belong on footpaths and they're not toys.
An e-bike must not provide power unless the person is pedaling, and can not provide assistance over certain speeds. So for example if you hit 50mph all assistance shuts off.
If it is propelled by only a motor, then it needs to be taxed and insured and licensed. Thats just the rules.
People think they can only hurt themselves. But I know someone hit by a bicycle and it took 2 years of rehab before they could walk again, and they will need assitance walking for the rest of their life, canes and walking sticks. They also damage peoples cars in traffic and parked cars, and if a car swerves to avoid them, they are to blame but cycle/scoot off.
With a single whiplash claim costing your insurance 15k, then all of these things on the road should have to go through tests, and be insured. Because none of them are adhereing to anything close to normal rules of the road in the city of Dublin. Bouncing off paths, jumping up on paths, using the road beside cycle paths, They dont use traffic lights properly, they are totally unpredictable which means you have to give them nearly all your focus when youre driving, which causes dangers to others on the road.
If you look at statistics of traffic injuries and claims, the ones caused by bicycles and scooters are marginal to cars, buses and lorries. However agree once you use the road the rules apply to all participants.
Got knocked over by a bicycle once myself, on a zebra crossing, didn't even see the fella coming. So I know how much it hurts, luckily had no serious injuries but a sore elbow for a day or two.
'Electric vehicles or any other Mechanically Propelled Vehicles (MPV) do not need to be taxed or insured in Ireland as long as they don't go over 45 mph. ... The driver of the scooter does not require a driving licence as the scooters are not a MPV in terms of road traffic legislation' - https://gyrowheel.ie/faq/
Tax is based on carbon emission, not on road usage.
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"If you look at statistics of traffic injuries and claims, the ones caused by bicycles and scooters are marginal to cars, buses and lorries. However agree once you use the road the rules apply to all participants.
Got knocked over by a bicycle once myself, on a zebra crossing, didn't even see the fella coming. So I know how much it hurts, luckily had no serious injuries but a sore elbow for a day or two."
Did you claim off the bike that hit you? Would it have shown up in the statistic? Does anyone get to claim off them or catch them? People have stepped out infront of cars during a red man, while the car had green light, totally in the wrong, and the claim went against the car as the one at fault.
"'Electric vehicles or any other Mechanically Propelled Vehicles (MPV) do not need to be taxed or insured in Ireland as long as they don't go over 45 mph. ... The driver of the scooter does not require a driving licence as the scooters are not a MPV in terms of road traffic legislation' - https://gyrowheel.ie/faq/
Tax is based on carbon emission, not on road usage.
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Speed has nothing to do with it at all, the 45mph (ps Ireland does not use mph it is closer to 50kph like I said) But the 45mph rule means if it propells you faster than that, cycling or not, it needs to be licensed taxed and insured.
If it can assist you up to 45mph while cycling, its fine.
If it can get you up to 45mph whithout cylcing it needs tax/insurance.
and if it can assist you or go over 45mph it needs tax/insurance. It can not assist you up to 100mph
http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/ VS_Information_Notes/Two_Three_Wheeled_Vehicles/ FAQs%20on E%20Bikes%20and%20Pedelecs%20and%20battery%20Scooters.pdf
What is the law on e-bikes / pedelecs / battery powered scooters?Regardless of the type of bike, the rule is as follows: If it can be powered by mechanical or electrical power *alone*(i.e. it can go without you pedalling or scooting it) then it is considered to be a mechanically propelled vehicle(MPV). Under Road Traffic Law, if an MPVis used in a public placeit issubject to all of the regulatory controls that apply to other vehicles. Therefore,it mustbe roadworthy, registered, taxed and insured. The driver of the vehicle must hold theappropriate driving licence and is obliged to wear a crash helmet.
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By *oserMan
over a year ago
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"Also I highly doubt they are legally allowed to be used on public roads.the guards would know the answer there. They deffo can't be used on footpaths, the speed they go. If they collided with somebody they'd destroy them. "
Under the traffic law then the same rules apply to an electric scooter that does to a car or any other mode of motorised transportation. It must be taxed and you must have insurance to use it on the road. You must also wear a helmet as per the law. The law is an old law that has not yet been updated to cover this type of "vehicle "  |
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"Under the traffic law then the same rules apply to an electric scooter that does to a car or any other mode of motorised transportation. It must be taxed and you must have insurance to use it on the road. You must also wear a helmet as per the law. The law is an old law that has not yet been updated to cover this type of "vehicle " "
They even apply to a segway, I remember the guards getting a special exemption for themselves to ride them up and down grafton street, something totally and fully illegal to you or I.
Sorry for double post again, messed it up again, think I might go back to bed. |
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By *obrayMan
over a year ago
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"If you look at statistics of traffic injuries and claims, the ones caused by bicycles and scooters are marginal to cars, buses and lorries. However agree once you use the road the rules apply to all participants.
Got knocked over by a bicycle once myself, on a zebra crossing, didn't even see the fella coming. So I know how much it hurts, luckily had no serious injuries but a sore elbow for a day or two.
Did you claim off the bike that hit you? Would it have shown up in the statistic? Does anyone get to claim off them or catch them? People have stepped out infront of cars during a red man, while the car had green light, totally in the wrong, and the claim went against the car as the one at fault.
'Electric vehicles or any other Mechanically Propelled Vehicles (MPV) do not need to be taxed or insured in Ireland as long as they don't go over 45 mph. ... The driver of the scooter does not require a driving licence as the scooters are not a MPV in terms of road traffic legislation' - https://gyrowheel.ie/faq/
Tax is based on carbon emission, not on road usage.
Speed has nothing to do with it at all, the 45mph (ps Ireland does not use mph it is closer to 50kph like I said) But the 45mph rule means if it propells you faster than that, cycling or not, it needs to be licensed taxed and insured.
If it can assist you up to 45mph while cycling, its fine.
If it can get you up to 45mph whithout cylcing it needs tax/insurance.
and if it can assist you or go over 45mph it needs tax/insurance. It can not assist you up to 100mph
http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/ VS_Information_Notes/Two_Three_Wheeled_Vehicles/ FAQs%20on E%20Bikes%20and%20Pedelecs%20and%20battery%20Scooters.pdf
What is the law on e-bikes / pedelecs / battery powered scooters?Regardless of the type of bike, the rule is as follows: If it can be powered by mechanical or electrical power *alone*(i.e. it can go without you pedalling or scooting it) then it is considered to be a mechanically propelled vehicle(MPV). Under Road Traffic Law, if an MPVis used in a public placeit issubject to all of the regulatory controls that apply to other vehicles. Therefore,it mustbe roadworthy, registered, taxed and insured. The driver of the vehicle must hold theappropriate driving licence and is obliged to wear a crash helmet.
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Most of them have to be pushed before the motor can assist that i know of e.g. xiaomi scooter.
If kids are using them then i blame the parents. No common sense. |
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"They're hugely trendy at the moment. Don't see anything wrong with it. the only problem I see is no helmets but they're also kids on the road on them. They are engine operated and go a fair speed."
Wanker hipsters use them on main roads at rush hour in Belfast - no helmets .....
Hope to see them starring in the Darwin awards sometime soon ..... |
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