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By *eracity OP   Man  over a year ago

the big smoke

I’m currently trying to explain the odd fact that is the fab straight guy to Mrs Bash. Personally I think it’s for lack of options. Feel free to wade in with an other opinions.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Lack of what options?

They're bi or bicurious

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By *eracity OP   Man  over a year ago

the big smoke


"Lack of what options?

They're bi or bicurious"

But don’t want to say they are?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Lack of options?If true that's pretty depraved imo.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Lack of what options?

They're bi or bicurious"

Life's a little more complicated than that.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Lack of what options?

They're bi or bicurious

But don’t want to say they are? "

Then what makes you think they would choose a new option?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Lack of what options?

They're bi or bicurious

Life's a little more complicated than that.

"

You mean oral bi?

Maybe bi playful then

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By *eracity OP   Man  over a year ago

the big smoke


"Lack of what options?

They're bi or bicurious

Life's a little more complicated than that.

You mean oral bi?

Maybe bi playful then"

That’s not a bad term. I think some don’t display as bi for fear. In this day and age

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Lack of what options?

They're bi or bicurious

Life's a little more complicated than that.

You mean oral bi?

Maybe bi playful then"

In my eyes someone is bi when they are actually attracted to both sexes.

Not being completely repelled by same sex, doesn't really make you attracted to it.

If a man doesn't mind playing with another man or a woman doesn't mind doing so with another woman in a heat of a moment then both completely forget that it ever happened or just don't care about it enough. It's not part of their personality and it's not what they would wish to repeat intentionally.

They just had a good time there and then and it's over.

Those people have been and will be straight.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The only bi in my profile is bye

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

For context... my question was, why would a straight guy message another guy and offer a bj?

Also for the record I cannot believe you have breached the sanctity of our messaging and my endless string of questions... I suppose next you’re going to tell them how I keep asking for tips on getting meets

Goddammit!!

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By *eracity OP   Man  over a year ago

the big smoke


"For context... my question was, why would a straight guy message another guy and offer a bj?

Also for the record I cannot believe you have breached the sanctity of our messaging and my endless string of questions... I suppose next you’re going to tell them how I keep asking for tips on getting meets

Goddammit!!"

Stick with me kid. I’ll learn ya.

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By *eracity OP   Man  over a year ago

the big smoke


"The only bi in my profile is bye

"

Cool. Obviously not spelt the same.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

Stick with me kid. I’ll learn ya. "

I’d say you would alright

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

As far as I see it guys on fab are either straight, gay,bi or as I like to call it bi on the sly. That last one is exactly why “straight” guys get offered blow jobs from random guys

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Lack of what options?

They're bi or bicurious

Life's a little more complicated than that.

You mean oral bi?

Maybe bi playful then

In my eyes someone is bi when they are actually attracted to both sexes.

Not being completely repelled by same sex, doesn't really make you attracted to it.

If a man doesn't mind playing with another man or a woman doesn't mind doing so with another woman in a heat of a moment then both completely forget that it ever happened or just don't care about it enough. It's not part of their personality and it's not what they would wish to repeat intentionally.

They just had a good time there and then and it's over.

Those people have been and will be straight. "

So biplayful was a good suggestion then I take?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Lack of what options?

They're bi or bicurious

Life's a little more complicated than that.

You mean oral bi?

Maybe bi playful then

In my eyes someone is bi when they are actually attracted to both sexes.

Not being completely repelled by same sex, doesn't really make you attracted to it.

If a man doesn't mind playing with another man or a woman doesn't mind doing so with another woman in a heat of a moment then both completely forget that it ever happened or just don't care about it enough. It's not part of their personality and it's not what they would wish to repeat intentionally.

They just had a good time there and then and it's over.

Those people have been and will be straight.

So biplayful was a good suggestion then I take?"

Not really as as soon as one identifies themselves as bi anything - all the actually bi and gay people start to pester them for unwanted blowjobs. Catch 22

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Lack of what options?

They're bi or bicurious

Life's a little more complicated than that.

You mean oral bi?

Maybe bi playful then

In my eyes someone is bi when they are actually attracted to both sexes.

Not being completely repelled by same sex, doesn't really make you attracted to it.

If a man doesn't mind playing with another man or a woman doesn't mind doing so with another woman in a heat of a moment then both completely forget that it ever happened or just don't care about it enough. It's not part of their personality and it's not what they would wish to repeat intentionally.

They just had a good time there and then and it's over.

Those people have been and will be straight.

So biplayful was a good suggestion then I take?

Not really as as soon as one identifies themselves as bi anything - all the actually bi and gay people start to pester them for unwanted blowjobs. Catch 22"

Perhaps but I wouldn't class them as straight either. Straight people only have sex with people of opposite sex. That's why we have labels, and yes I do think labels are important.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Lack of what options?

They're bi or bicurious

Life's a little more complicated than that.

You mean oral bi?

Maybe bi playful then

In my eyes someone is bi when they are actually attracted to both sexes.

Not being completely repelled by same sex, doesn't really make you attracted to it.

If a man doesn't mind playing with another man or a woman doesn't mind doing so with another woman in a heat of a moment then both completely forget that it ever happened or just don't care about it enough. It's not part of their personality and it's not what they would wish to repeat intentionally.

They just had a good time there and then and it's over.

Those people have been and will be straight.

So biplayful was a good suggestion then I take?

Not really as as soon as one identifies themselves as bi anything - all the actually bi and gay people start to pester them for unwanted blowjobs. Catch 22

Perhaps but I wouldn't class them as straight either. Straight people only have sex with people of opposite sex. That's why we have labels, and yes I do think labels are important."

We'll agree to disagree.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

How about “bi-light”?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

nothing at all. Why do we need definitions, thanks or no thanks should be enough really.

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By *irkydirkyMan  over a year ago

Stevenage


"Lack of what options?

They're bi or bicurious

Life's a little more complicated than that.

You mean oral bi?

Maybe bi playful then

In my eyes someone is bi when they are actually attracted to both sexes.

Not being completely repelled by same sex, doesn't really make you attracted to it.

If a man doesn't mind playing with another man or a woman doesn't mind doing so with another woman in a heat of a moment then both completely forget that it ever happened or just don't care about it enough. It's not part of their personality and it's not what they would wish to repeat intentionally.

They just had a good time there and then and it's over.

Those people have been and will be straight. "

That’s a nice opinion but still isn’t the definition of straight..

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Lack of what options?

They're bi or bicurious

Life's a little more complicated than that.

You mean oral bi?

Maybe bi playful then

In my eyes someone is bi when they are actually attracted to both sexes.

Not being completely repelled by same sex, doesn't really make you attracted to it.

If a man doesn't mind playing with another man or a woman doesn't mind doing so with another woman in a heat of a moment then both completely forget that it ever happened or just don't care about it enough. It's not part of their personality and it's not what they would wish to repeat intentionally.

They just had a good time there and then and it's over.

Those people have been and will be straight.

That’s a nice opinion but still isn’t the definition of straight.. "

Why define?? Who gives a shit really?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Lack of what options?

They're bi or bicurious

Life's a little more complicated than that.

You mean oral bi?

Maybe bi playful then

In my eyes someone is bi when they are actually attracted to both sexes.

Not being completely repelled by same sex, doesn't really make you attracted to it.

If a man doesn't mind playing with another man or a woman doesn't mind doing so with another woman in a heat of a moment then both completely forget that it ever happened or just don't care about it enough. It's not part of their personality and it's not what they would wish to repeat intentionally.

They just had a good time there and then and it's over.

Those people have been and will be straight.

That’s a nice opinion but still isn’t the definition of straight..

Why define?? Who gives a shit really?"

People who don't want to have sex with non straight people. Respect their choice.

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By *irkydirkyMan  over a year ago

Stevenage

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Lack of what options?

They're bi or bicurious

Life's a little more complicated than that.

You mean oral bi?

Maybe bi playful then

In my eyes someone is bi when they are actually attracted to both sexes.

Not being completely repelled by same sex, doesn't really make you attracted to it.

If a man doesn't mind playing with another man or a woman doesn't mind doing so with another woman in a heat of a moment then both completely forget that it ever happened or just don't care about it enough. It's not part of their personality and it's not what they would wish to repeat intentionally.

They just had a good time there and then and it's over.

Those people have been and will be straight.

That’s a nice opinion but still isn’t the definition of straight..

Why define?? Who gives a shit really?

People who don't want to have sex with non straight people. Respect their choice."

Hense it is just a thanks or no thanks situation really. Down to simple manners.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Lack of what options?

They're bi or bicurious

Life's a little more complicated than that.

You mean oral bi?

Maybe bi playful then

In my eyes someone is bi when they are actually attracted to both sexes.

Not being completely repelled by same sex, doesn't really make you attracted to it.

If a man doesn't mind playing with another man or a woman doesn't mind doing so with another woman in a heat of a moment then both completely forget that it ever happened or just don't care about it enough. It's not part of their personality and it's not what they would wish to repeat intentionally.

They just had a good time there and then and it's over.

Those people have been and will be straight.

That’s a nice opinion but still isn’t the definition of straight..

Why define?? Who gives a shit really?

People who don't want to have sex with non straight people. Respect their choice.

Hense it is just a thanks or no thanks situation really. Down to simple manners."

How would they know, if their label was miscategorised?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Because if words didn’t have definitions then we wouldn’t have languages or speak.. I’d have imagined that was pretty obvious "

Aye but we are talking about defining people not words.....

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Lack of what options?

They're bi or bicurious

Life's a little more complicated than that.

You mean oral bi?

Maybe bi playful then

In my eyes someone is bi when they are actually attracted to both sexes.

Not being completely repelled by same sex, doesn't really make you attracted to it.

If a man doesn't mind playing with another man or a woman doesn't mind doing so with another woman in a heat of a moment then both completely forget that it ever happened or just don't care about it enough. It's not part of their personality and it's not what they would wish to repeat intentionally.

They just had a good time there and then and it's over.

Those people have been and will be straight.

That’s a nice opinion but still isn’t the definition of straight..

Why define?? Who gives a shit really?

People who don't want to have sex with non straight people. Respect their choice.

Hense it is just a thanks or no thanks situation really. Down to simple manners.

How would they know, if their label was miscategorised?"

Get rid of the labels and just ask. Lots lie with their labels here.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I am not sure I buy(bi) into the lack of options.

I am sure that is the case for some but as stated above a male messaging ankther male looking for sex is not straight.

Saying that I actually couldnt care less about how someone labels themselves.

Fab already lets you show who you are looking for (men, women, couples, tv/ts) so why not just get rid of the sexual oriantation option altogether .

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By *irkydirkyMan  over a year ago

Stevenage


"Because if words didn’t have definitions then we wouldn’t have languages or speak.. I’d have imagined that was pretty obvious

Aye but we are talking about defining people not words....."

Ok, well I’m sure there is a word to cover that, but straight already has a definition, so it must be something else

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Lack of what options?

They're bi or bicurious

Life's a little more complicated than that.

You mean oral bi?

Maybe bi playful then

In my eyes someone is bi when they are actually attracted to both sexes.

Not being completely repelled by same sex, doesn't really make you attracted to it.

If a man doesn't mind playing with another man or a woman doesn't mind doing so with another woman in a heat of a moment then both completely forget that it ever happened or just don't care about it enough. It's not part of their personality and it's not what they would wish to repeat intentionally.

They just had a good time there and then and it's over.

Those people have been and will be straight.

That’s a nice opinion but still isn’t the definition of straight..

Why define?? Who gives a shit really?

People who don't want to have sex with non straight people. Respect their choice.

Hense it is just a thanks or no thanks situation really. Down to simple manners.

How would they know, if their label was miscategorised?

Get rid of the labels and just ask. Lots lie with their labels here."

Labels save you time and effort of messaging.

Labels have a very important role in society not only in social basis but also medical.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Lack of what options?

They're bi or bicurious

Life's a little more complicated than that.

You mean oral bi?

Maybe bi playful then

In my eyes someone is bi when they are actually attracted to both sexes.

Not being completely repelled by same sex, doesn't really make you attracted to it.

If a man doesn't mind playing with another man or a woman doesn't mind doing so with another woman in a heat of a moment then both completely forget that it ever happened or just don't care about it enough. It's not part of their personality and it's not what they would wish to repeat intentionally.

They just had a good time there and then and it's over.

Those people have been and will be straight.

That’s a nice opinion but still isn’t the definition of straight..

Why define?? Who gives a shit really?

People who don't want to have sex with non straight people. Respect their choice.

Hense it is just a thanks or no thanks situation really. Down to simple manners.

How would they know, if their label was miscategorised?"

But what difference does That label make?

Say you're straight and only want to have sex with women, I am sure as hell just because you're straight you will not want to have sex with every single woman that comes your way too.

So does it really matter what you identify yourself as as you will only have sex with people you want to have sex with And nobody else be it straight, bi, gay or goblin.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Lack of what options?

They're bi or bicurious

Life's a little more complicated than that.

You mean oral bi?

Maybe bi playful then

In my eyes someone is bi when they are actually attracted to both sexes.

Not being completely repelled by same sex, doesn't really make you attracted to it.

If a man doesn't mind playing with another man or a woman doesn't mind doing so with another woman in a heat of a moment then both completely forget that it ever happened or just don't care about it enough. It's not part of their personality and it's not what they would wish to repeat intentionally.

They just had a good time there and then and it's over.

Those people have been and will be straight.

That’s a nice opinion but still isn’t the definition of straight..

Why define?? Who gives a shit really?

People who don't want to have sex with non straight people. Respect their choice.

Hense it is just a thanks or no thanks situation really. Down to simple manners.

How would they know, if their label was miscategorised?

Get rid of the labels and just ask. Lots lie with their labels here.

Labels save you time and effort of messaging.

Labels have a very important role in society not only in social basis but also medical."

Do they in society?? I think the over labelling of every little thing is making society shit. We are human and thats it really. We all have our own freedom of conscience after that.

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By *oserMan  over a year ago

where the wild roses grow


"Lack of what options?

They're bi or bicurious

Life's a little more complicated than that.

You mean oral bi?

Maybe bi playful then

In my eyes someone is bi when they are actually attracted to both sexes.

Not being completely repelled by same sex, doesn't really make you attracted to it.

If a man doesn't mind playing with another man or a woman doesn't mind doing so with another woman in a heat of a moment then both completely forget that it ever happened or just don't care about it enough. It's not part of their personality and it's not what they would wish to repeat intentionally.

They just had a good time there and then and it's over.

Those people have been and will be straight.

That’s a nice opinion but still isn’t the definition of straight..

Why define?? Who gives a shit really?

People who don't want to have sex with non straight people. Respect their choice.

Hense it is just a thanks or no thanks situation really. Down to simple manners.

How would they know, if their label was miscategorised?

But what difference does That label make?

Say you're straight and only want to have sex with women, I am sure as hell just because you're straight you will not want to have sex with every single woman that comes your way too.

So does it really matter what you identify yourself as as you will only have sex with people you want to have sex with And nobody else be it straight, bi, gay or goblin. "

Mmmmh goblins

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Lack of what options?

They're bi or bicurious

Life's a little more complicated than that.

You mean oral bi?

Maybe bi playful then

In my eyes someone is bi when they are actually attracted to both sexes.

Not being completely repelled by same sex, doesn't really make you attracted to it.

If a man doesn't mind playing with another man or a woman doesn't mind doing so with another woman in a heat of a moment then both completely forget that it ever happened or just don't care about it enough. It's not part of their personality and it's not what they would wish to repeat intentionally.

They just had a good time there and then and it's over.

Those people have been and will be straight.

That’s a nice opinion but still isn’t the definition of straight..

Why define?? Who gives a shit really?

People who don't want to have sex with non straight people. Respect their choice.

Hense it is just a thanks or no thanks situation really. Down to simple manners.

How would they know, if their label was miscategorised?

But what difference does That label make?

Say you're straight and only want to have sex with women, I am sure as hell just because you're straight you will not want to have sex with every single woman that comes your way too.

So does it really matter what you identify yourself as as you will only have sex with people you want to have sex with And nobody else be it straight, bi, gay or goblin. "

Nothing wrong with s bit of goblin Missus

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By *eralt80Man  over a year ago

cork


"Lack of what options?

They're bi or bicurious

Life's a little more complicated than that.

You mean oral bi?

Maybe bi playful then

In my eyes someone is bi when they are actually attracted to both sexes.

Not being completely repelled by same sex, doesn't really make you attracted to it.

If a man doesn't mind playing with another man or a woman doesn't mind doing so with another woman in a heat of a moment then both completely forget that it ever happened or just don't care about it enough. It's not part of their personality and it's not what they would wish to repeat intentionally.

They just had a good time there and then and it's over.

Those people have been and will be straight.

That’s a nice opinion but still isn’t the definition of straight..

Why define?? Who gives a shit really?

People who don't want to have sex with non straight people. Respect their choice.

Hense it is just a thanks or no thanks situation really. Down to simple manners.

How would they know, if their label was miscategorised?

But what difference does That label make?

Say you're straight and only want to have sex with women, I am sure as hell just because you're straight you will not want to have sex with every single woman that comes your way too.

So does it really matter what you identify yourself as as you will only have sex with people you want to have sex with And nobody else be it straight, bi, gay or goblin. "

We goblins have needs too I’ll have you know.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Lack of what options?

They're bi or bicurious

Life's a little more complicated than that.

You mean oral bi?

Maybe bi playful then

In my eyes someone is bi when they are actually attracted to both sexes.

Not being completely repelled by same sex, doesn't really make you attracted to it.

If a man doesn't mind playing with another man or a woman doesn't mind doing so with another woman in a heat of a moment then both completely forget that it ever happened or just don't care about it enough. It's not part of their personality and it's not what they would wish to repeat intentionally.

They just had a good time there and then and it's over.

Those people have been and will be straight.

That’s a nice opinion but still isn’t the definition of straight..

Why define?? Who gives a shit really?

People who don't want to have sex with non straight people. Respect their choice.

Hense it is just a thanks or no thanks situation really. Down to simple manners.

How would they know, if their label was miscategorised?

But what difference does That label make?

Say you're straight and only want to have sex with women, I am sure as hell just because you're straight you will not want to have sex with every single woman that comes your way too.

So does it really matter what you identify yourself as as you will only have sex with people you want to have sex with And nobody else be it straight, bi, gay or goblin.

Mmmmh goblins "

If your into goblin sc*t does that make you a gobshite

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Lack of what options?

They're bi or bicurious

Life's a little more complicated than that.

You mean oral bi?

Maybe bi playful then

In my eyes someone is bi when they are actually attracted to both sexes.

Not being completely repelled by same sex, doesn't really make you attracted to it.

If a man doesn't mind playing with another man or a woman doesn't mind doing so with another woman in a heat of a moment then both completely forget that it ever happened or just don't care about it enough. It's not part of their personality and it's not what they would wish to repeat intentionally.

They just had a good time there and then and it's over.

Those people have been and will be straight.

That’s a nice opinion but still isn’t the definition of straight..

Why define?? Who gives a shit really?

People who don't want to have sex with non straight people. Respect their choice.

Hense it is just a thanks or no thanks situation really. Down to simple manners.

How would they know, if their label was miscategorised?

But what difference does That label make?

Say you're straight and only want to have sex with women, I am sure as hell just because you're straight you will not want to have sex with every single woman that comes your way too.

So does it really matter what you identify yourself as as you will only have sex with people you want to have sex with And nobody else be it straight, bi, gay or goblin. "

Some women don't want to have sex with bi men because there's a higher chance of them transmitting STDs/STI's. Even if they use protection the risk is still a little higher. So they should have the right to choose not to have sex with them and be fully aware of their sexuality.

Once again, respect people's choice.

If you don't think labels matter go have sex with any guy, be it slim, fat, ripped, black, Asian or white, smoker non smoker etc.

Not everybody wants to do that and labels help to filter the people that they do want to have sex with.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Lack of what options?

They're bi or bicurious

Life's a little more complicated than that.

You mean oral bi?

Maybe bi playful then

In my eyes someone is bi when they are actually attracted to both sexes.

Not being completely repelled by same sex, doesn't really make you attracted to it.

If a man doesn't mind playing with another man or a woman doesn't mind doing so with another woman in a heat of a moment then both completely forget that it ever happened or just don't care about it enough. It's not part of their personality and it's not what they would wish to repeat intentionally.

They just had a good time there and then and it's over.

Those people have been and will be straight.

That’s a nice opinion but still isn’t the definition of straight..

Why define?? Who gives a shit really?

People who don't want to have sex with non straight people. Respect their choice.

Hense it is just a thanks or no thanks situation really. Down to simple manners.

How would they know, if their label was miscategorised?

Get rid of the labels and just ask. Lots lie with their labels here.

Labels save you time and effort of messaging.

Labels have a very important role in society not only in social basis but also medical.

Do they in society?? I think the over labelling of every little thing is making society shit. We are human and thats it really. We all have our own freedom of conscience after that."

Medically speaking humans vary and it's important to label them.

Humans also vary depending on race, wealth gender etc, you need those labels for statistics which may then be used to help those struggling in a given society.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

But that's what I mean - we all have sex with people we're attracted to. We get attracted to them for various reasons, but definitely not the labels that they put on themselves

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"But that's what I mean - we all have sex with people we're attracted to. We get attracted to them for various reasons, but definitely not the labels that they put on themselves "

But these labels help us to identity those people.

If there's an attractive woman on fab who's bi, I may not wish to meet her as a result of just being bi. (I have no issue with meeting bi women btw).

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

All I'm saying is respect people's choice to make an informed decision.

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By *ustin-SiderMan  over a year ago

Belfast


"Lack of what options?

They're bi or bicurious

Life's a little more complicated than that.

You mean oral bi?

Maybe bi playful then

In my eyes someone is bi when they are actually attracted to both sexes.

Not being completely repelled by same sex, doesn't really make you attracted to it.

If a man doesn't mind playing with another man or a woman doesn't mind doing so with another woman in a heat of a moment then both completely forget that it ever happened or just don't care about it enough. It's not part of their personality and it's not what they would wish to repeat intentionally.

They just had a good time there and then and it's over.

Those people have been and will be straight.

That’s a nice opinion but still isn’t the definition of straight..

Why define?? Who gives a shit really?

People who don't want to have sex with non straight people. Respect their choice.

Hense it is just a thanks or no thanks situation really. Down to simple manners.

How would they know, if their label was miscategorised?

But what difference does That label make?

Say you're straight and only want to have sex with women, I am sure as hell just because you're straight you will not want to have sex with every single woman that comes your way too.

So does it really matter what you identify yourself as as you will only have sex with people you want to have sex with And nobody else be it straight, bi, gay or goblin.

Mmmmh goblins

If your into goblin sc*t does that make you a gobshite"

We have a winner! ^ lol

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"But that's what I mean - we all have sex with people we're attracted to. We get attracted to them for various reasons, but definitely not the labels that they put on themselves

But these labels help us to identity those people.

If there's an attractive woman on fab who's bi, I may not wish to meet her as a result of just being bi. (I have no issue with meeting bi women btw)."

But if that attractive woman who is bi doesn't wish to meet women or couples on here, so she identifies herself as straight - would you call her a liar?

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By *lay2018Couple  over a year ago

westmeath & roscommon.

Who cares about labels. If they are happy enjoying themselves then it's nobodies business. Even making a thread on it says something about the OP. You are the one with issues.

There's a reason why males don't say their bi or bi-curious. Social stigma comes to mind! Your along time dead so what energy you've wasted judging them, it could be used for more positive thinking instead of nonsense like this.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Who cares about labels. If they are happy enjoying themselves then it's nobodies business. Even making a thread on it says something about the OP. You are the one with issues.

There's a reason why males don't say their bi or bi-curious. Social stigma comes to mind! Your along time dead so what energy you've wasted judging them, it could be used for more positive thinking instead of nonsense like this. "

OP is bisexual so not sure how he’s the problem. However since he posted on foot of a conversation he and I had perhaps I’m the problem. To be clear I’ve no issue with anyone or what they do but I think it’s unusual to describe yourself as straight, which whether we like it or not has certain accepted connotations and to then suggest a bj to another man but whatever floats your boat I guess x

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"But that's what I mean - we all have sex with people we're attracted to. We get attracted to them for various reasons, but definitely not the labels that they put on themselves

But these labels help us to identity those people.

If there's an attractive woman on fab who's bi, I may not wish to meet her as a result of just being bi. (I have no issue with meeting bi women btw).

But if that attractive woman who is bi doesn't wish to meet women or couples on here, so she identifies herself as straight - would you call her a liar? "

No, I wouldn't contact her because I knew she's bi.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

It baffles me how some people call others judgemental when they lack the decency to respect individuals choice.

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By *lay2018Couple  over a year ago

westmeath & roscommon.


"Who cares about labels. If they are happy enjoying themselves then it's nobodies business. Even making a thread on it says something about the OP. You are the one with issues.

There's a reason why males don't say their bi or bi-curious. Social stigma comes to mind! Your along time dead so what energy you've wasted judging them, it could be used for more positive thinking instead of nonsense like this.

OP is bisexual so not sure how he’s the problem. However since he posted on foot of a conversation he and I had perhaps I’m the problem. To be clear I’ve no issue with anyone or what they do but I think it’s unusual to describe yourself as straight, which whether we like it or not has certain accepted connotations and to then suggest a bj to another man but whatever floats your boat I guess x"

Me opening my big mouth before I clicked the OP post

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By *eracity OP   Man  over a year ago

the big smoke


"Who cares about labels. If they are happy enjoying themselves then it's nobodies business. Even making a thread on it says something about the OP. You are the one with issues.

There's a reason why males don't say their bi or bi-curious. Social stigma comes to mind! Your along time dead so what energy you've wasted judging them, it could be used for more positive thinking instead of nonsense like this.

OP is bisexual so not sure how he’s the problem. However since he posted on foot of a conversation he and I had perhaps I’m the problem. To be clear I’ve no issue with anyone or what they do but I think it’s unusual to describe yourself as straight, which whether we like it or not has certain accepted connotations and to then suggest a bj to another man but whatever floats your boat I guess x

Me opening my big mouth before I clicked the OP post "

Your grand. It happens. No one was hurt.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

No one was hurt. "

sure of that?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

In my opinion the options available on this website are limited and not fully reflective to the full spectrum of human sexuality. It's not as simple as being straight/curious/bi or gay. I'd rather not have anything to choose from tbh so it's less about boxing yourself but a real conversation between potential playmates.

Most people here aren't 100% straight (yes, guys too) but for multiple reasons (intolerant women, being reject to play with etc) people choose straight (which I did for a long time).

If we had no option to choose from and actually had to talk to each other to see who is comfortable with what, maybe it would make things easier? I don't know...

One thing is how one identifies and how one is happy to express himself/herself. I.E. bisexual person not wanting to express this and mainly looking for straight fun and despite being attracted to same gender, not wanting to play gay. It's a complex matter and people being fully straight or gay may not understand such complexities, as it's not something they would ever had to deal with in their own life.

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By *hysoserious2012Man  over a year ago

meath louth border

I would not class myself as bi I love woman but I'm very curious bout guys I find there cock and ass very attractive but I don't think I could kiss a guy yet I could suck his dick it's a funny old situation

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By *irkydirkyMan  over a year ago

Stevenage


"In my opinion the options available on this website are limited and not fully reflective to the full spectrum of human sexuality. It's not as simple as being straight/curious/bi or gay. I'd rather not have anything to choose from tbh so it's less about boxing yourself but a real conversation between potential playmates.

Most people here aren't 100% straight (yes, guys too) but for multiple reasons (intolerant women, being reject to play with etc) people choose straight (which I did for a long time).

If we had no option to choose from and actually had to talk to each other to see who is comfortable with what, maybe it would make things easier? I don't know...

One thing is how one identifies and how one is happy to express himself/herself. I.E. bisexual person not wanting to express this and mainly looking for straight fun and despite being attracted to same gender, not wanting to play gay. It's a complex matter and people being fully straight or gay may not understand such complexities, as it's not something they would ever had to deal with in their own life."

They are there for a reason as so people can choose who they interact with..

Straight and gay are exactly that, the only thing on this spectrum people talk about is curious/bi..

nothing complicated about any of that..

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By *eracity OP   Man  over a year ago

the big smoke


"In my opinion the options available on this website are limited and not fully reflective to the full spectrum of human sexuality. It's not as simple as being straight/curious/bi or gay. I'd rather not have anything to choose from tbh so it's less about boxing yourself but a real conversation between potential playmates.

Most people here aren't 100% straight (yes, guys too) but for multiple reasons (intolerant women, being reject to play with etc) people choose straight (which I did for a long time).

If we had no option to choose from and actually had to talk to each other to see who is comfortable with what, maybe it would make things easier? I don't know...

One thing is how one identifies and how one is happy to express himself/herself. I.E. bisexual person not wanting to express this and mainly looking for straight fun and despite being attracted to same gender, not wanting to play gay. It's a complex matter and people being fully straight or gay may not understand such complexities, as it's not something they would ever had to deal with in their own life."

I understand some people’s needs to not identify as bi when they are bi but if you follow the chat on this it has been claimed that bi guys are more likely to carry an infection so if this is true and they identify as straight yet carry on as bi surely that in itself leads women who want straight guys into a false sense of relative safety. Btw I don’t believe bi guys are more of a risk. I’d claim the opposite.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"In my opinion the options available on this website are limited and not fully reflective to the full spectrum of human sexuality. It's not as simple as being straight/curious/bi or gay. I'd rather not have anything to choose from tbh so it's less about boxing yourself but a real conversation between potential playmates.

Most people here aren't 100% straight (yes, guys too) but for multiple reasons (intolerant women, being reject to play with etc) people choose straight (which I did for a long time).

If we had no option to choose from and actually had to talk to each other to see who is comfortable with what, maybe it would make things easier? I don't know...

One thing is how one identifies and how one is happy to express himself/herself. I.E. bisexual person not wanting to express this and mainly looking for straight fun and despite being attracted to same gender, not wanting to play gay. It's a complex matter and people being fully straight or gay may not understand such complexities, as it's not something they would ever had to deal with in their own life."

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Lack of what options?

They're bi or bicurious

Life's a little more complicated than that.

You mean oral bi?

Maybe bi playful then

In my eyes someone is bi when they are actually attracted to both sexes.

Not being completely repelled by same sex, doesn't really make you attracted to it.

If a man doesn't mind playing with another man or a woman doesn't mind doing so with another woman in a heat of a moment then both completely forget that it ever happened or just don't care about it enough. It's not part of their personality and it's not what they would wish to repeat intentionally.

They just had a good time there and then and it's over.

Those people have been and will be straight.

That’s a nice opinion but still isn’t the definition of straight..

Why define?? Who gives a shit really?

People who don't want to have sex with non straight people. Respect their choice.

Hense it is just a thanks or no thanks situation really. Down to simple manners.

How would they know, if their label was miscategorised?

But what difference does That label make?

Say you're straight and only want to have sex with women, I am sure as hell just because you're straight you will not want to have sex with every single woman that comes your way too.

So does it really matter what you identify yourself as as you will only have sex with people you want to have sex with And nobody else be it straight, bi, gay or goblin.

Some women don't want to have sex with bi men because there's a higher chance of them transmitting STDs/STI's. Even if they use protection the risk is still a little higher. So they should have the right to choose not to have sex with them and be fully aware of their sexuality.

Once again, respect people's choice.

If you don't think labels matter go have sex with any guy, be it slim, fat, ripped, black, Asian or white, smoker non smoker etc.

Not everybody wants to do that and labels help to filter the people that they do want to have sex with."

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"In my opinion the options available on this website are limited and not fully reflective to the full spectrum of human sexuality. It's not as simple as being straight/curious/bi or gay. I'd rather not have anything to choose from tbh so it's less about boxing yourself but a real conversation between potential playmates.

Most people here aren't 100% straight (yes, guys too) but for multiple reasons (intolerant women, being reject to play with etc) people choose straight (which I did for a long time).

If we had no option to choose from and actually had to talk to each other to see who is comfortable with what, maybe it would make things easier? I don't know...

One thing is how one identifies and how one is happy to express himself/herself. I.E. bisexual person not wanting to express this and mainly looking for straight fun and despite being attracted to same gender, not wanting to play gay. It's a complex matter and people being fully straight or gay may not understand such complexities, as it's not something they would ever had to deal with in their own life.

I understand some people’s needs to not identify as bi when they are bi but if you follow the chat on this it has been claimed that bi guys are more likely to carry an infection so if this is true and they identify as straight yet carry on as bi surely that in itself leads women who want straight guys into a false sense of relative safety. Btw I don’t believe bi guys are more of a risk. I’d claim the opposite. "

I don't claim, bi or gay men are more likely to carry STDs/STI's, the research posted on CDC.gov does. How people chose to interpret that information is down to them.

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By *eracity OP   Man  over a year ago

the big smoke


"In my opinion the options available on this website are limited and not fully reflective to the full spectrum of human sexuality. It's not as simple as being straight/curious/bi or gay. I'd rather not have anything to choose from tbh so it's less about boxing yourself but a real conversation between potential playmates.

Most people here aren't 100% straight (yes, guys too) but for multiple reasons (intolerant women, being reject to play with etc) people choose straight (which I did for a long time).

If we had no option to choose from and actually had to talk to each other to see who is comfortable with what, maybe it would make things easier? I don't know...

One thing is how one identifies and how one is happy to express himself/herself. I.E. bisexual person not wanting to express this and mainly looking for straight fun and despite being attracted to same gender, not wanting to play gay. It's a complex matter and people being fully straight or gay may not understand such complexities, as it's not something they would ever had to deal with in their own life.

I understand some people’s needs to not identify as bi when they are bi but if you follow the chat on this it has been claimed that bi guys are more likely to carry an infection so if this is true and they identify as straight yet carry on as bi surely that in itself leads women who want straight guys into a false sense of relative safety. Btw I don’t believe bi guys are more of a risk. I’d claim the opposite.

I don't claim, bi or gay men are more likely to carry STDs/STI's, the research posted on CDC.gov does. How people chose to interpret that information is down to them."

Then that takes my comment and takes from a possible to a defensive yes. Hiding your sexuality puts others at risk. I think the cool kids call it cat fishing. I could be wrong. I’m rather old.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I realise this detracts from the OP's original question and debate but with regards to 'labels' and the overall discussion that has emerged, for what that's worth, I feel that undoubtedly some people (men and women, maybe a minority of all who do) are hesitant to declare themselves bi-curious or bisexual for fear of such labels feeding an already generalised stigma.

Emphasis on the possibility of that occurring as I know people have their own reasons for their preferences, it would be equally as unfair to generalise that everyone who doesn't wish to meet bisexual men/women are being "unfair".

With regards to the comments referencing any increased risk in a person's sexual health, be it yourself or the person you're meeting, it's up to you to take the relevant precautions that you're comfortbale with. That obviously extends to all sexualities, if you're concerned about your health you wouldn't only take protective measures with certain people. I personally feel that is a line of thinking that does, unfortunately, feed such a stigma towards bisexuality that I personally don't agree with.

Whether someone you're meeting may have been deceitful as to who they have met or perhaps you feel they've been deceitful to themselves, that's a potential matter of honesty. More so a personal concern similar to a person not being how they old they say they are rather than a greater risk to your sexual health because that, again, is always in your own hands.

For arguments sake, if I had on my profile that I was bi-curious and decided to message and meet another guy only to decide after the fact that it wasn't something I enjoyed, that I was no longer 'curious'. Surely I am entitled to revert my profile back to straight?

Would that experience render me dishonest, an increased risk to their sexual health, and would I fall into some people's definition of bisexual, of whom they don't wish to meet?

Personally, I'm more inclined to lean towards the idea of not having sexual orientation on a profile, as that one aspect in it's black and white type form can stir too many unfair notions as well as leaving little room for expansion; it's too definitive, both to the person and when helping form a decision on the person.

Not that it can't or shouldn't aid and play a part in someone's search for a sexual partner but more that there should be a better way to express it than a mere handful of boxes to tick off.

Again, I don't wish for any of this to sound altogether dismissive of a person's own preference, not at all. These are merely my opinions, that others will or won't agree with, put forward like a public forum should be

I just feel that like a lot of things "Fab straight" isn't black and white and, not that anyone has, to dismiss all as "liars" or "sneaky" would be unfair although some undoubtedly fall into that category unfortunately!

Additionally, more to the original question, maybe some men are just too yummers to resist

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I'm not attracted to guy's but always open to explore. Have and will expand boundary's.

It's all in the persuit of pleasure.

Bi play per se.

Labels are for tracksuits.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"In my opinion the options available on this website are limited and not fully reflective to the full spectrum of human sexuality. It's not as simple as being straight/curious/bi or gay. I'd rather not have anything to choose from tbh so it's less about boxing yourself but a real conversation between potential playmates.

Most people here aren't 100% straight (yes, guys too) but for multiple reasons (intolerant women, being reject to play with etc) people choose straight (which I did for a long time).

If we had no option to choose from and actually had to talk to each other to see who is comfortable with what, maybe it would make things easier? I don't know...

One thing is how one identifies and how one is happy to express himself/herself. I.E. bisexual person not wanting to express this and mainly looking for straight fun and despite being attracted to same gender, not wanting to play gay. It's a complex matter and people being fully straight or gay may not understand such complexities, as it's not something they would ever had to deal with in their own life.

I understand some people’s needs to not identify as bi when they are bi but if you follow the chat on this it has been claimed that bi guys are more likely to carry an infection so if this is true and they identify as straight yet carry on as bi surely that in itself leads women who want straight guys into a false sense of relative safety. Btw I don’t believe bi guys are more of a risk. I’d claim the opposite.

I don't claim, bi or gay men are more likely to carry STDs/STI's, the research posted on CDC.gov does. How people chose to interpret that information is down to them.

Then that takes my comment and takes from a possible to a defensive yes. Hiding your sexuality puts others at risk. I think the cool kids call it cat fishing. I could be wrong. I’m rather old. "

Nobody’s sexuality puts other at risk. Not playing safe and claiming you do does. Loads of gay or bi guys are on prep, which prevents HIV. So it’s question of other STIs. Within this lifestyle all practice some sort of unsafe fun (unprotected oral sex). So let’s not pretend straight ppl are lower risk. If you have fun with multiple partners and practice unprotected oral fun you are a higher risk. Please do test often!

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By *irkydirkyMan  over a year ago

Stevenage

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By *irkydirkyMan  over a year ago

Stevenage


"In my opinion the options available on this website are limited and not fully reflective to the full spectrum of human sexuality. It's not as simple as being straight/curious/bi or gay. I'd rather not have anything to choose from tbh so it's less about boxing yourself but a real conversation between potential playmates.

Most people here aren't 100% straight (yes, guys too) but for multiple reasons (intolerant women, being reject to play with etc) people choose straight (which I did for a long time).

If we had no option to choose from and actually had to talk to each other to see who is comfortable with what, maybe it would make things easier? I don't know...

One thing is how one identifies and how one is happy to express himself/herself. I.E. bisexual person not wanting to express this and mainly looking for straight fun and despite being attracted to same gender, not wanting to play gay. It's a complex matter and people being fully straight or gay may not understand such complexities, as it's not something they would ever had to deal with in their own life.

I understand some people’s needs to not identify as bi when they are bi but if you follow the chat on this it has been claimed that bi guys are more likely to carry an infection so if this is true and they identify as straight yet carry on as bi surely that in itself leads women who want straight guys into a false sense of relative safety. Btw I don’t believe bi guys are more of a risk. I’d claim the opposite.

I don't claim, bi or gay men are more likely to carry STDs/STI's, the research posted on CDC.gov does. How people chose to interpret that information is down to them.

Then that takes my comment and takes from a possible to a defensive yes. Hiding your sexuality puts others at risk. I think the cool kids call it cat fishing. I could be wrong. I’m rather old.

Nobody’s sexuality puts other at risk. Not playing safe and claiming you do does. Loads of gay or bi guys are on prep, which prevents HIV. So it’s question of other STIs. Within this lifestyle all practice some sort of unsafe fun (unprotected oral sex). So let’s not pretend straight ppl are lower risk. If you have fun with multiple partners and practice unprotected oral fun you are a higher risk. Please do test often!"

Eh.. the stats actually do show that they are lower risk

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By *olightlyWoman  over a year ago

ardee

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Ok the Fact someone believes that Bi guys are more than likely to be carriers of STD/STI.

It's back to the Stigma of Gay and the Aids outbreak.

Because of people attitude and the fear and it brough shame. It purely stuck to the Gay Community. But it was rampant in heterosexual couples as they Didn't include the use of Needles when the heroine outbreak also happen. The amount of Heterosexual men and women who have STD and STI is high. As not every STD show signs. And plus a lot think that they are in monogamy relationship between one another,But as you know on here the amount of men and women who are on here behind there's partners back. So yes I agree with labels to a point. But I also feel that once you label yourself that is it people will Judge you no matter what . But as everyone knows life and circumstances can change a person. And the amount of women who are afraid of getting smear tests yet alone to actually have one,Guys getting their testicle's check etc. It's priority as some won't pay the money for a full medical,but will happily spend it on a bender.

and you can live a happily healthy life with HIV thanks to the wonders of medicine. And you will not get it of them even if you are having unprotected sex.As once they are taking their medicine and going to their treatment.

If ye are all well informed then you wouldn't be making vase opinions. As I learnt that the hard way my ex got a STD twice,now I was in absolute shock and even though I tested clear many times as I have the coil in and I wasn't going to risk my health. I still to this day get myself checked out fully. No excuses. As I want to enjoy a happy healthy sex life.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Just because a guy has stated on his profile does not mean he is desperate or has no options. As for getting pestered by gay or bi men for blowjob, that has not been my experience. I have however blocked single men as I have been pestered by men stating straight on their profile.

I don 't wish to generalise and blame all single men but I certainly have had very few problems with gay or bi men.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The whole point of forum is to have Whatever it is to have a joke abit of banter.

But it should also be to Have The Conversations Like these In a Honest Manner(hopefully).With Hopefully No Abusive comments.

To be a guide and a learnt lesson

As everyday is a learning goal. And we each have something to bring to the table.

As a saying goes even broken crayons still colour.

No one is 100% perfect.

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By *unnitoesWoman  over a year ago

Belfast

My ex husband was bi-polar...no wonder I couldn't work him out!!

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By *irkydirkyMan  over a year ago

Stevenage


"Ok the Fact someone believes that Bi guys are more than likely to be carriers of STD/STI.

It's back to the Stigma of Gay and the Aids outbreak.

Because of people attitude and the fear and it brough shame. It purely stuck to the Gay Community. But it was rampant in heterosexual couples as they Didn't include the use of Needles when the heroine outbreak also happen. The amount of Heterosexual men and women who have STD and STI is high. As not every STD show signs. And plus a lot think that they are in monogamy relationship between one another,But as you know on here the amount of men and women who are on here behind there's partners back. So yes I agree with labels to a point. But I also feel that once you label yourself that is it people will Judge you no matter what . But as everyone knows life and circumstances can change a person. And the amount of women who are afraid of getting smear tests yet alone to actually have one,Guys getting their testicle's check etc. It's priority as some won't pay the money for a full medical,but will happily spend it on a bender.

and you can live a happily healthy life with HIV thanks to the wonders of medicine. And you will not get it of them even if you are having unprotected sex.As once they are taking their medicine and going to their treatment.

If ye are all well informed then you wouldn't be making vase opinions. As I learnt that the hard way my ex got a STD twice,now I was in absolute shock and even though I tested clear many times as I have the coil in and I wasn't going to risk my health. I still to this day get myself checked out fully. No excuses. As I want to enjoy a happy healthy sex life."

Always nice to have an opinion, but mine has absolutely nothing got to do with stigma, it’s the numbers from various studies, I’m sure you checked them out..

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