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"I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach..... Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring. Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect. " This  | |||
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"I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach..... Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring. Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect. " What he said^^ | |||
"Too many do gooders...kids know they can do and act as they please and get away with it...respect is lost with a lot of kids today because they're let go out and hang with their mates, cause damage and get away with it .. as a society we have got very weak and almost accepting of such things as kids causing intimidation in gangs, kids having a list of convictions for burglary or criminal damage without having to pay for same, their legal costs footed by us taxpayers... It's worrying.... Anyway .. where the fuck are my kids??" Every behaviour has a function. No one is innately "bad". If you are referring to young adults, it's literally the most difficult period of anyone's life - finding their place, learning about themselves, peer pressure, academic pressure, hormones.... I could go on. | |||
"Too many do gooders...kids know they can do and act as they please and get away with it...respect is lost with a lot of kids today because they're let go out and hang with their mates, cause damage and get away with it .. as a society we have got very weak and almost accepting of such things as kids causing intimidation in gangs, kids having a list of convictions for burglary or criminal damage without having to pay for same, their legal costs footed by us taxpayers... It's worrying.... Anyway .. where the fuck are my kids?? Every behaviour has a function. No one is innately "bad". If you are referring to young adults, it's literally the most difficult period of anyone's life - finding their place, learning about themselves, peer pressure, academic pressure, hormones.... I could go on. " I know what you mean, and as stated above also, most kids are great,but there is no excuse for the behaviours of some kids in their total disregard for others. Hormones or finding their place is no excuse for bullying, aggressive behaviour | |||
"Too many do gooders...kids know they can do and act as they please and get away with it...respect is lost with a lot of kids today because they're let go out and hang with their mates, cause damage and get away with it .. as a society we have got very weak and almost accepting of such things as kids causing intimidation in gangs, kids having a list of convictions for burglary or criminal damage without having to pay for same, their legal costs footed by us taxpayers... It's worrying.... Anyway .. where the fuck are my kids?? Every behaviour has a function. No one is innately "bad". If you are referring to young adults, it's literally the most difficult period of anyone's life - finding their place, learning about themselves, peer pressure, academic pressure, hormones.... I could go on. I know what you mean, and as stated above also, most kids are great,but there is no excuse for the behaviours of some kids in their total disregard for others. Hormones or finding their place is no excuse for bullying, aggressive behaviour" No never an excuse but sometimes a reason. Along with many others. This debate could last a long time. But personally I would rather understand than generalise and make assumptions, especially based on their age bracket. | |||
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"I see this been discussed a bit lately that the attitude of alot of kids in this day and age is atrocious, no respect, no discipline. Where has it all gone wrong? Discuss..." Stress free parenting and lack of discipline. Spoilt rotten little bas###ds running around unattended by parents chasing money and diagnosed mistaken with ADHD. Oh and one more lately very trendy syndrome in relaxed youth called "anxiety"... ffs  | |||
"I see this been discussed a bit lately that the attitude of alot of kids in this day and age is atrocious, no respect, no discipline. Where has it all gone wrong? Discuss... Stress free parenting and lack of discipline. Spoilt rotten little bas###ds running around unattended by parents chasing money and diagnosed mistaken with ADHD. Oh and one more lately very trendy syndrome in relaxed youth called "anxiety"... ffs "Won't waste my words... | |||
"I see this been discussed a bit lately that the attitude of alot of kids in this day and age is atrocious, no respect, no discipline. Where has it all gone wrong? Discuss... Stress free parenting and lack of discipline. Spoilt rotten little bas###ds running around unattended by parents chasing money and diagnosed mistaken with ADHD. Oh and one more lately very trendy syndrome in relaxed youth called "anxiety"... ffs "Two diagnosis which are actually very real. I'm not say all kids are not spoilt brats but 99% of kids I know A lovely well mannered kids. | |||
"I see this been discussed a bit lately that the attitude of alot of kids in this day and age is atrocious, no respect, no discipline. Where has it all gone wrong? Discuss..." ------------------- ...and every last one of us were little angels back in the day, right Op??? 
...there's always going to be mannerly, well brought up kids and then there's going to be kids that are a bit unruly. Always has and always will be  | |||
"I see this been discussed a bit lately that the attitude of alot of kids in this day and age is atrocious, no respect, no discipline. Where has it all gone wrong? Discuss... ------------------- ...and every last one of us were little angels back in the day, right Op???
...there's always going to be mannerly, well brought up kids and then there's going to be kids that are a bit unruly. Always has and always will be "the point im making Is I deal with kids alot, I see they're behaviour every single day. The behaviour, lack of respect, what kids have, what kids have access to totally differs then when I was there age. | |||
"I see this been discussed a bit lately that the attitude of alot of kids in this day and age is atrocious, no respect, no discipline. Where has it all gone wrong? Discuss... ------------------- ...and every last one of us were little angels back in the day, right Op???
...there's always going to be mannerly, well brought up kids and then there's going to be kids that are a bit unruly. Always has and always will be the point im making Is I deal with kids alot, I see they're behaviour every single day. The behaviour, lack of respect, what kids have, what kids have access to totally differs then when I was there age. "Id be pretty sure thats exactly what our parents would have said about us..... | |||
"I see this been discussed a bit lately that the attitude of alot of kids in this day and age is atrocious, no respect, no discipline. Where has it all gone wrong? Discuss... ------------------- ...and every last one of us were little angels back in the day, right Op???
...there's always going to be mannerly, well brought up kids and then there's going to be kids that are a bit unruly. Always has and always will be the point im making Is I deal with kids alot, I see they're behaviour every single day. The behaviour, lack of respect, what kids have, what kids have access to totally differs then when I was there age.
Id be pretty sure thats exactly what our parents would have said about us....."what kids have and what they have access to are my main 2 points. Totally different. | |||
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"I see this been discussed a bit lately that the attitude of alot of kids in this day and age is atrocious, no respect, no discipline. Where has it all gone wrong? Discuss... Stress free parenting and lack of discipline. Spoilt rotten little bas###ds running around unattended by parents chasing money and diagnosed mistaken with ADHD. Oh and one more lately very trendy syndrome in relaxed youth called "anxiety"... ffs "These parents your referring to op obviously need a hobby to support them in not being so focussed on themselves | |||
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 I thought it was great the community helping out. Think if that happened in Scotland all hell would break loose. Nobody cares say anything to other folks kids and I guess that's part of the problem | |||
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"I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach..... Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring. Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect. " This | |||
"I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach..... Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring. Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect. This "I think this may be something to look into also. What i do notice is a lot of kids these days don't have much patience for things they can't get a quick fix from. Like reading books or learning an instrument or any of that kind of nature where the outcome isn't instantaneous. And it most definitely is caused by all the petty video games there are now that dont even require much effort like clash of clans etc. Press a button and boom YOU WIN! Instant dopamine hit. Ha it's sad really | |||
"AHH but Ireland is great with kids though. Remember taking my boy to Cork City, he must have been about 5. We'd had a long day and he was doing what 5 year olds do, having a wee tantrum cos he didn't want to walk over a bridge. Then this lorry driver winds down his window shouting "stop that bawling and do as yer mammy tells ye!" So in total shock he crosses the bridge. Then starts crying again. And this wee old lady goes to him "stop that bawling and be a big boy. Oh and get that Kerry top in the bin where it belongs" I thought it was great the community helping out. Think if that happened in Scotland all hell would break loose. Nobody cares say anything to other folks kids and I guess that's part of the problem"Lol, i had a sister like that, she put the fear of god into children, for some strange reason they always seemed to come back for more  when i was a child, haha jesus no... i was raised by my community, tight knit... thats certainly changed in this day and age... | |||
"I see this been discussed a bit lately that the attitude of alot of kids in this day and age is atrocious, no respect, no discipline. Where has it all gone wrong? Discuss... ------------------- ...and every last one of us were little angels back in the day, right Op???
...there's always going to be mannerly, well brought up kids and then there's going to be kids that are a bit unruly. Always has and always will be the point im making Is I deal with kids alot, I see they're behaviour every single day. The behaviour, lack of respect, what kids have, what kids have access to totally differs then when I was there age.
Id be pretty sure thats exactly what our parents would have said about us....."I see where your coming from and as a person who has kids and from dealing with kids at an under age sporting level I think kids have less respect for adults than previous generations, you have to be extremely Carefull how you correct them, the problem being society favouring the individual rather than the team, maybe an over confidence our generation didn't have and were encouraged not to have... | |||
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"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. " I think the only solution for the op is to have a child himself, everything else you say would just naturally follow, kids are the best teachers of adults | |||
"I see this been discussed a bit lately that the attitude of alot of kids in this day and age is atrocious, no respect, no discipline. Where has it all gone wrong? Discuss... ------------------- ...and every last one of us were little angels back in the day, right Op???
...there's always going to be mannerly, well brought up kids and then there's going to be kids that are a bit unruly. Always has and always will be the point im making Is I deal with kids alot, I see they're behaviour every single day. The behaviour, lack of respect, what kids have, what kids have access to totally differs then when I was there age.
Id be pretty sure thats exactly what our parents would have said about us....."------------------ Precisely...it's what every preceding generation tends to say about the generation that follows, hence the "In my day..." or "when I was your age.."  phrases that crop up again and again. I'm sure you and I "had it a lot easier" than our parents generation too...
...but to say this generation has "no respect" and "no discipline" is as generalised as saying that EVERY single citizen in any one given country is evil or immoral is tarring every person of a single group with the same brush...
I've the opportunity to coach kids in sports and my own experience has been positive. I talk to them on their level NOT down to them, find out what interests them & then relate what I'm teaching to that... and things seem to go smoothly. I always hear "please" and "thank you" and that's good enough for me
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"if the student hasen't learned, the teacher hasn't taught"
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"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. I think the only solution for the op is to have a child himself, everything else you say would just naturally follow, kids are the best teachers of adults "This is the real truth | |||
"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. " im involved with kids in more then you have a clue about. Daily work and voluntary in diff organisations and I can tell you alot of kids have a distinct lack of respect. I follow on what I said, alot roam the streets up to no good,teenagers 13 14 15, seen it with my own eyes, parents sitting at home "ah sure my Tommy is out with friends he would do no wrong". They also have access to to much 9 10 11 12 yos. It's unreal the stuff they know. Shouldn't even enter their minds at that age. I could go on. | |||
"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. im involved with kids in more then you have a clue about. Daily work and voluntary in diff organisations and I can tell you alot of kids have a distinct lack of respect. I follow on what I said, alot roam the streets up to no good,teenagers 13 14 15, seen it with my own eyes, parents sitting at home "ah sure my Tommy is out with friends he would do no wrong". They also have access to to much 9 10 11 12 yos. It's unreal the stuff they know. Shouldn't even enter their minds at that age. I could go on. " and also if you think alot of kids bad behaviour continuously doesn't stem from parents upbringing you're living on a different planet. | |||
"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. I think the only solution for the op is to have a child himself, everything else you say would just naturally follow, kids are the best teachers of adults "im grand the way I am. I daily deal with kids as it is. | |||
"What age would you allow a child a smartphone or tablet?" Like it or not too many kids have unsupervised access to Internet via phones tablets etc, unfortunately somtimes taking away their innocence too early, saying kids are the same now as previous generations is a bit nieve, for mostly the good but what direction in the future will be interesting... Their streets ajead of our generation | |||
"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. im involved with kids in more then you have a clue about. Daily work and voluntary in diff organisations and I can tell you alot of kids have a distinct lack of respect. I follow on what I said, alot roam the streets up to no good,teenagers 13 14 15, seen it with my own eyes, parents sitting at home "ah sure my Tommy is out with friends he would do no wrong". They also have access to to much 9 10 11 12 yos. It's unreal the stuff they know. Shouldn't even enter their minds at that age. I could go on. " As i said a pne dimensional view..not a good way to be when dealing with teens and children. Instead of bemoaning them do something positive... be a positive adult in their life instead of one that critisises. A lot if children with social, emotional behaviour disorders lack that element in their lives. | |||
"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. im involved with kids in more then you have a clue about. Daily work and voluntary in diff organisations and I can tell you alot of kids have a distinct lack of respect. I follow on what I said, alot roam the streets up to no good,teenagers 13 14 15, seen it with my own eyes, parents sitting at home "ah sure my Tommy is out with friends he would do no wrong". They also have access to to much 9 10 11 12 yos. It's unreal the stuff they know. Shouldn't even enter their minds at that age. I could go on. and also if you think alot of kids bad behaviour continuously doesn't stem from parents upbringing you're living on a different planet. " Not once have i said that ... never presume. Listening and understanding is a skill .. it helps one to see the bigger picture. A very important tool when dealing with other humans of all ages | |||
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"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. im involved with kids in more then you have a clue about. Daily work and voluntary in diff organisations and I can tell you alot of kids have a distinct lack of respect. I follow on what I said, alot roam the streets up to no good,teenagers 13 14 15, seen it with my own eyes, parents sitting at home "ah sure my Tommy is out with friends he would do no wrong". They also have access to to much 9 10 11 12 yos. It's unreal the stuff they know. Shouldn't even enter their minds at that age. I could go on. As i said a pne dimensional view..not a good way to be when dealing with teens and children. Instead of bemoaning them do something positive... be a positive adult in their life instead of one that critisises. A lot if children with social, emotional behaviour disorders lack that element in their lives. " | |||
"What age would you allow a child a smartphone or tablet? Like it or not too many kids have unsupervised access to Internet via phones tablets etc, unfortunately somtimes taking away their innocence too early, saying kids are the same now as previous generations is a bit nieve, for mostly the good but what direction in the future will be interesting... Their streets ajead of our generation "last line is spot on | |||
"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. im involved with kids in more then you have a clue about. Daily work and voluntary in diff organisations and I can tell you alot of kids have a distinct lack of respect. I follow on what I said, alot roam the streets up to no good,teenagers 13 14 15, seen it with my own eyes, parents sitting at home "ah sure my Tommy is out with friends he would do no wrong". They also have access to to much 9 10 11 12 yos. It's unreal the stuff they know. Shouldn't even enter their minds at that age. I could go on. As i said a pne dimensional view..not a good way to be when dealing with teens and children. Instead of bemoaning them do something positive... be a positive adult in their life instead of one that critisises. A lot if children with social, emotional behaviour disorders lack that element in their lives. " as I already said every child I deal with will be told right from wrong. Simple as that. | |||
"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. im involved with kids in more then you have a clue about. Daily work and voluntary in diff organisations and I can tell you alot of kids have a distinct lack of respect. I follow on what I said, alot roam the streets up to no good,teenagers 13 14 15, seen it with my own eyes, parents sitting at home "ah sure my Tommy is out with friends he would do no wrong". They also have access to to much 9 10 11 12 yos. It's unreal the stuff they know. Shouldn't even enter their minds at that age. I could go on. As i said a pne dimensional view..not a good way to be when dealing with teens and children. Instead of bemoaning them do something positive... be a positive adult in their life instead of one that critisises. A lot if children with social, emotional behaviour disorders lack that element in their lives. as I already said every child I deal with will be told right from wrong. Simple as that." But its not that simple is it ... others pick up those pieces. Shades of gray my dear ... | |||
"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. im involved with kids in more then you have a clue about. Daily work and voluntary in diff organisations and I can tell you alot of kids have a distinct lack of respect. I follow on what I said, alot roam the streets up to no good,teenagers 13 14 15, seen it with my own eyes, parents sitting at home "ah sure my Tommy is out with friends he would do no wrong". They also have access to to much 9 10 11 12 yos. It's unreal the stuff they know. Shouldn't even enter their minds at that age. I could go on. As i said a pne dimensional view..not a good way to be when dealing with teens and children. Instead of bemoaning them do something positive... be a positive adult in their life instead of one that critisises. A lot if children with social, emotional behaviour disorders lack that element in their lives. as I already said every child I deal with will be told right from wrong. Simple as that. But its not that simple is it ... others pick up those pieces. Shades of gray my dear ..." it is as simple as that in coaching them right from wrong, in attitude, behaviour, pitch performance etc. What parents do at home with them, that's something I can't control | |||
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"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. im involved with kids in more then you have a clue about. Daily work and voluntary in diff organisations and I can tell you alot of kids have a distinct lack of respect. I follow on what I said, alot roam the streets up to no good,teenagers 13 14 15, seen it with my own eyes, parents sitting at home "ah sure my Tommy is out with friends he would do no wrong". They also have access to to much 9 10 11 12 yos. It's unreal the stuff they know. Shouldn't even enter their minds at that age. I could go on. As i said a pne dimensional view..not a good way to be when dealing with teens and children. Instead of bemoaning them do something positive... be a positive adult in their life instead of one that critisises. A lot if children with social, emotional behaviour disorders lack that element in their lives. as I already said every child I deal with will be told right from wrong. Simple as that. But its not that simple is it ... others pick up those pieces. Shades of gray my dear ...it is as simple as that in coaching them right from wrong, in attitude, behaviour, pitch performance etc. What parents do at home with them, that's something I can't control " Not all young people come from the same backgrounds or have had the same experiences. Not all children will respond to "coaching" or an authoritarian approach. Does this mean we give up on the "difficult" child or does this mean we as adults adjust how we deal with these children ?? As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works. Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. | |||
"I see this been discussed a bit lately that the attitude of alot of kids in this day and age is atrocious, no respect, no discipline. Where has it all gone wrong? Discuss... ------------------- ...and every last one of us were little angels back in the day, right Op???
...there's always going to be mannerly, well brought up kids and then there's going to be kids that are a bit unruly. Always has and always will be the point im making Is I deal with kids alot, I see they're behaviour every single day. The behaviour, lack of respect, what kids have, what kids have access to totally differs then when I was there age.
Id be pretty sure thats exactly what our parents would have said about us.....what kids have and what they have access to are my main 2 points. Totally different. "I don't think it is totally different. I remember hearing that the Rap I listened to and the video games I played and the ease of access to porn were going to ruin my generation. Many may argue but i think I turned out ok. Kids of any time will adapt to the technology of their time. Kids are different now in the same way we were to our parents at that age, no better no worse just different. | |||
"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. im involved with kids in more then you have a clue about. Daily work and voluntary in diff organisations and I can tell you alot of kids have a distinct lack of respect. I follow on what I said, alot roam the streets up to no good,teenagers 13 14 15, seen it with my own eyes, parents sitting at home "ah sure my Tommy is out with friends he would do no wrong". They also have access to to much 9 10 11 12 yos. It's unreal the stuff they know. Shouldn't even enter their minds at that age. I could go on. As i said a pne dimensional view..not a good way to be when dealing with teens and children. Instead of bemoaning them do something positive... be a positive adult in their life instead of one that critisises. A lot if children with social, emotional behaviour disorders lack that element in their lives. as I already said every child I deal with will be told right from wrong. Simple as that. But its not that simple is it ... others pick up those pieces. Shades of gray my dear ...it is as simple as that in coaching them right from wrong, in attitude, behaviour, pitch performance etc. What parents do at home with them, that's something I can't control Not all young people come from the same backgrounds or have had the same experiences. Not all children will respond to "coaching" or an authoritarian approach. Does this mean we give up on the "difficult" child or does this mean we as adults adjust how we deal with these children ?? As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works. Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. " If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing. | |||
"I see this been discussed a bit lately that the attitude of alot of kids in this day and age is atrocious, no respect, no discipline. Where has it all gone wrong? Discuss... ------------------- ...and every last one of us were little angels back in the day, right Op???
...there's always going to be mannerly, well brought up kids and then there's going to be kids that are a bit unruly. Always has and always will be the point im making Is I deal with kids alot, I see they're behaviour every single day. The behaviour, lack of respect, what kids have, what kids have access to totally differs then when I was there age.
Id be pretty sure thats exactly what our parents would have said about us.....what kids have and what they have access to are my main 2 points. Totally different.
I don't think it is totally different.
I remember hearing that the Rap I listened to and the video games I played and the ease of access to porn were going to ruin my generation. Many may argue but i think I turned out ok.
Kids of any time will adapt to the technology of their time.
Kids are different now in the same way we were to our parents at that age, no better no worse just different."I had no access to the video games 10 for, have now. I hadn't a clue what porn was, what a dildo and vibrator are used for. As I already said, what kids today have access to differs. Do u bam them from social media and stop them watching certain films and playing certain games. I also thing as a generation parents are changing but that's a tough one to comment on as I'm not that old | |||
"No one is innately "bad"." Tell that to the two Americans who traveled the world to prove no one was innately bad. You can guess how their lives ended.. on the side of the road in a pool of blood. You remind me of that mother in the UK, when her child had bitten a small girl over and over and had to be dragged off by adults, the mother was screaming for her kid to be left alone, and its just what kids do. | |||
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"No one is innately "bad". Tell that to the two Americans who traveled the world to prove no one was innately bad. You can guess how their lives ended.. on the side of the road in a pool of blood. You remind me of that mother in the UK, when her child had bitten a small girl over and over and had to be dragged off by adults, the mother was screaming for her kid to be left alone, and its just what kids do." that's the line I hear so much " sure that's just what kids do" ok then no bother, sure we will say nothing to them | |||
"I had kids for nearly two years kick bang throw stuff at my house every night they would simply stand in the street and laugh because someone would just walk up to my door a bang it and bang it for as long as he wanted. Because police said they were to young for them to do anything. One of the mother's told the police I was a paedophile because I was at her door at my wits end every fucking night. They only stopped because they got older and with over 6 hrs of dvd films . The police was able to do something. Even the police stood in my house one day and the kids just laughed at them" know exactly what you're saying. Have seen carry on similar with my own eyes | |||
"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. im involved with kids in more then you have a clue about. Daily work and voluntary in diff organisations and I can tell you alot of kids have a distinct lack of respect. I follow on what I said, alot roam the streets up to no good,teenagers 13 14 15, seen it with my own eyes, parents sitting at home "ah sure my Tommy is out with friends he would do no wrong". They also have access to to much 9 10 11 12 yos. It's unreal the stuff they know. Shouldn't even enter their minds at that age. I could go on. As i said a pne dimensional view..not a good way to be when dealing with teens and children. Instead of bemoaning them do something positive... be a positive adult in their life instead of one that critisises. A lot if children with social, emotional behaviour disorders lack that element in their lives. as I already said every child I deal with will be told right from wrong. Simple as that. But its not that simple is it ... others pick up those pieces. Shades of gray my dear ...it is as simple as that in coaching them right from wrong, in attitude, behaviour, pitch performance etc. What parents do at home with them, that's something I can't control Not all young people come from the same backgrounds or have had the same experiences. Not all children will respond to "coaching" or an authoritarian approach. Does this mean we give up on the "difficult" child or does this mean we as adults adjust how we deal with these children ?? As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works. Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing. " Not all children come from the same backgrounds .... not all children are privileged enough to be within any coaching system. Sometimes lifes not black and white.... and a child with behaviour issues cant be "fixed" that easily. Working on any level with the next generation is a privilege, your an influence on the adult they become. See the Good and they will shine, encourage dont discourage. If you can only see the negative maybe question your role | |||
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"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. im involved with kids in more then you have a clue about. Daily work and voluntary in diff organisations and I can tell you alot of kids have a distinct lack of respect. I follow on what I said, alot roam the streets up to no good,teenagers 13 14 15, seen it with my own eyes, parents sitting at home "ah sure my Tommy is out with friends he would do no wrong". They also have access to to much 9 10 11 12 yos. It's unreal the stuff they know. Shouldn't even enter their minds at that age. I could go on. As i said a pne dimensional view..not a good way to be when dealing with teens and children. Instead of bemoaning them do something positive... be a positive adult in their life instead of one that critisises. A lot if children with social, emotional behaviour disorders lack that element in their lives. as I already said every child I deal with will be told right from wrong. Simple as that. But its not that simple is it ... others pick up those pieces. Shades of gray my dear ...it is as simple as that in coaching them right from wrong, in attitude, behaviour, pitch performance etc. What parents do at home with them, that's something I can't control Not all young people come from the same backgrounds or have had the same experiences. Not all children will respond to "coaching" or an authoritarian approach. Does this mean we give up on the "difficult" child or does this mean we as adults adjust how we deal with these children ?? As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works. Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing. Not all children come from the same backgrounds .... not all children are privileged enough to be within any coaching system. Sometimes lifes not black and white.... and a child with behaviour issues cant be "fixed" that easily. Working on any level with the next generation is a privilege, your an influence on the adult they become. See the Good and they will shine, encourage dont discourage. If you can only see the negative maybe question your role " behaviour issues are classed as autism, adhd etc. I'm talking about kids who are downright bold. Do you know what that word means? It has fuck all to do with a condition. One thing I will say is more and more kids are also been brought up by one parent. Would that have an effect? | |||
"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. im involved with kids in more then you have a clue about. Daily work and voluntary in diff organisations and I can tell you alot of kids have a distinct lack of respect. I follow on what I said, alot roam the streets up to no good,teenagers 13 14 15, seen it with my own eyes, parents sitting at home "ah sure my Tommy is out with friends he would do no wrong". They also have access to to much 9 10 11 12 yos. It's unreal the stuff they know. Shouldn't even enter their minds at that age. I could go on. As i said a pne dimensional view..not a good way to be when dealing with teens and children. Instead of bemoaning them do something positive... be a positive adult in their life instead of one that critisises. A lot if children with social, emotional behaviour disorders lack that element in their lives. as I already said every child I deal with will be told right from wrong. Simple as that. But its not that simple is it ... others pick up those pieces. Shades of gray my dear ...it is as simple as that in coaching them right from wrong, in attitude, behaviour, pitch performance etc. What parents do at home with them, that's something I can't control Not all young people come from the same backgrounds or have had the same experiences. Not all children will respond to "coaching" or an authoritarian approach. Does this mean we give up on the "difficult" child or does this mean we as adults adjust how we deal with these children ?? As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works. Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing. " I'll assume your coaching is in the sports side of things but feel free to correct me. Unless you work in social care and or have a degree or masters of arts based in childhood and youth studies it's hard to take your comments as anything other than anger towards children that you don't have the skills to deal with. That isn't an insult by the way, mearly stating that it takes a certain level of training to take on board the broad spectrum of social and everyday psychological issues that cause the average child (under 18) to act out. If you are farmilar with one of the more common problems we here about autism. The spectrum is huge ranging from fully functioning children labelled by some as little shits until they get help to the child who cannot speak a word and filled with rage. Generally speaking it is a lack of understanding from adults on how to deal with the children or give them the guidance needed. | |||
"Our perception of kids being bold has increased as society has changed. In the past, a child being bad could get a kick in the ass, a slap in the back of the head, or grabbed by the scruff of the neck by anyone. A stranger in a shop, a passerby, a cop, a teacher. Upon hearing this a parent would be apologetic and further slap the child. So society had a feeling that corrective behaviour was being attempted. But people are throwing morality in the bin to spite the catholic church. Even the president of ireland has realised that lack of communal morality is tearing Irish communities apart and that is how we are now. A bold child can only get corrective behaviour from a parent, no one else. We dont want a communal morality in our schools, in our hospitals, in our housing estates. So perception of a bold child now is that they are a shit and their parents are shits too. Cause the community wont smack them in the back of the head and say "they are just a bit of a brat really". Nothing to be done about it, Irish people are happy to erode community morality more and more so it will only feel like its getting worse and worse." it's actually bordering dangerous territory. You have to be very careful what you do and say to kids now if not their parent. Alot won't get involved with children in a month of Sunday's | |||
"Our perception of kids being bold has increased as society has changed. In the past, a child being bad could get a kick in the ass, a slap in the back of the head, or grabbed by the scruff of the neck by anyone. A stranger in a shop, a passerby, a cop, a teacher. Upon hearing this a parent would be apologetic and further slap the child. So society had a feeling that corrective behaviour was being attempted. But people are throwing morality in the bin to spite the catholic church. Even the president of ireland has realised that lack of communal morality is tearing Irish communities apart and that is how we are now. A bold child can only get corrective behaviour from a parent, no one else. We dont want a communal morality in our schools, in our hospitals, in our housing estates. So perception of a bold child now is that they are a shit and their parents are shits too. Cause the community wont smack them in the back of the head and say "they are just a bit of a brat really". Nothing to be done about it, Irish people are happy to erode community morality more and more so it will only feel like its getting worse and worse." A wise old saying... it takes a village to raise a child.... its true and its gone. Our approach has to be different now but we need to get it right. This is the next generation. | |||
"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. im involved with kids in more then you have a clue about. Daily work and voluntary in diff organisations and I can tell you alot of kids have a distinct lack of respect. I follow on what I said, alot roam the streets up to no good,teenagers 13 14 15, seen it with my own eyes, parents sitting at home "ah sure my Tommy is out with friends he would do no wrong". They also have access to to much 9 10 11 12 yos. It's unreal the stuff they know. Shouldn't even enter their minds at that age. I could go on. As i said a pne dimensional view..not a good way to be when dealing with teens and children. Instead of bemoaning them do something positive... be a positive adult in their life instead of one that critisises. A lot if children with social, emotional behaviour disorders lack that element in their lives. as I already said every child I deal with will be told right from wrong. Simple as that. But its not that simple is it ... others pick up those pieces. Shades of gray my dear ...it is as simple as that in coaching them right from wrong, in attitude, behaviour, pitch performance etc. What parents do at home with them, that's something I can't control Not all young people come from the same backgrounds or have had the same experiences. Not all children will respond to "coaching" or an authoritarian approach. Does this mean we give up on the "difficult" child or does this mean we as adults adjust how we deal with these children ?? As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works. Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing. I'll assume your coaching is in the sports side of things but feel free to correct me. Unless you work in social care and or have a degree or masters of arts based in childhood and youth studies it's hard to take your comments as anything other than anger towards children that you don't have the skills to deal with. That isn't an insult by the way, mearly stating that it takes a certain level of training to take on board the broad spectrum of social and everyday psychological issues that cause the average child (under 18) to act out. If you are farmilar with one of the more common problems we here about autism. The spectrum is huge ranging from fully functioning children labelled by some as little shits until they get help to the child who cannot speak a word and filled with rage. Generally speaking it is a lack of understanding from adults on how to deal with the children or give them the guidance needed. " read my comment above about autism adhd etc. | |||
"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. im involved with kids in more then you have a clue about. Daily work and voluntary in diff organisations and I can tell you alot of kids have a distinct lack of respect. I follow on what I said, alot roam the streets up to no good,teenagers 13 14 15, seen it with my own eyes, parents sitting at home "ah sure my Tommy is out with friends he would do no wrong". They also have access to to much 9 10 11 12 yos. It's unreal the stuff they know. Shouldn't even enter their minds at that age. I could go on. As i said a pne dimensional view..not a good way to be when dealing with teens and children. Instead of bemoaning them do something positive... be a positive adult in their life instead of one that critisises. A lot if children with social, emotional behaviour disorders lack that element in their lives. as I already said every child I deal with will be told right from wrong. Simple as that. But its not that simple is it ... others pick up those pieces. Shades of gray my dear ...it is as simple as that in coaching them right from wrong, in attitude, behaviour, pitch performance etc. What parents do at home with them, that's something I can't control Not all young people come from the same backgrounds or have had the same experiences. Not all children will respond to "coaching" or an authoritarian approach. Does this mean we give up on the "difficult" child or does this mean we as adults adjust how we deal with these children ?? As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works. Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing. Not all children come from the same backgrounds .... not all children are privileged enough to be within any coaching system. Sometimes lifes not black and white.... and a child with behaviour issues cant be "fixed" that easily. Working on any level with the next generation is a privilege, your an influence on the adult they become. See the Good and they will shine, encourage dont discourage. If you can only see the negative maybe question your role behaviour issues are classed as autism, adhd etc. I'm talking about kids who are downright bold. Do you know what that word means? It has fuck all to do with a condition. One thing I will say is more and more kids are also been brought up by one parent. Would that have an effect?" Neither are classed as behavioural problems | |||
"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. im involved with kids in more then you have a clue about. Daily work and voluntary in diff organisations and I can tell you alot of kids have a distinct lack of respect. I follow on what I said, alot roam the streets up to no good,teenagers 13 14 15, seen it with my own eyes, parents sitting at home "ah sure my Tommy is out with friends he would do no wrong". They also have access to to much 9 10 11 12 yos. It's unreal the stuff they know. Shouldn't even enter their minds at that age. I could go on. As i said a pne dimensional view..not a good way to be when dealing with teens and children. Instead of bemoaning them do something positive... be a positive adult in their life instead of one that critisises. A lot if children with social, emotional behaviour disorders lack that element in their lives. as I already said every child I deal with will be told right from wrong. Simple as that. But its not that simple is it ... others pick up those pieces. Shades of gray my dear ...it is as simple as that in coaching them right from wrong, in attitude, behaviour, pitch performance etc. What parents do at home with them, that's something I can't control Not all young people come from the same backgrounds or have had the same experiences. Not all children will respond to "coaching" or an authoritarian approach. Does this mean we give up on the "difficult" child or does this mean we as adults adjust how we deal with these children ?? As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works. Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing. Not all children come from the same backgrounds .... not all children are privileged enough to be within any coaching system. Sometimes lifes not black and white.... and a child with behaviour issues cant be "fixed" that easily. Working on any level with the next generation is a privilege, your an influence on the adult they become. See the Good and they will shine, encourage dont discourage. If you can only see the negative maybe question your role behaviour issues are classed as autism, adhd etc. I'm talking about kids who are downright bold. Do you know what that word means? It has fuck all to do with a condition. One thing I will say is more and more kids are also been brought up by one parent. Would that have an effect? Neither are classed as behavioural problems" enlighten me, what is so? | |||
"I see this been discussed a bit lately that the attitude of alot of kids in this day and age is atrocious, no respect, no discipline. Where has it all gone wrong? Discuss... ------------------- ...and every last one of us were little angels back in the day, right Op???
...there's always going to be mannerly, well brought up kids and then there's going to be kids that are a bit unruly. Always has and always will be the point im making Is I deal with kids alot, I see they're behaviour every single day. The behaviour, lack of respect, what kids have, what kids have access to totally differs then when I was there age.
Id be pretty sure thats exactly what our parents would have said about us.....what kids have and what they have access to are my main 2 points. Totally different.
I don't think it is totally different.
I remember hearing that the Rap I listened to and the video games I played and the ease of access to porn were going to ruin my generation. Many may argue but i think I turned out ok.
Kids of any time will adapt to the technology of their time.
Kids are different now in the same way we were to our parents at that age, no better no worse just different.I had no access to the video games 10 for, have now. I hadn't a clue what porn was, what a dildo and vibrator are used for. As I already said, what kids today have access to differs. Do u bam them from social media and stop them watching certain films and playing certain games. I also thing as a generation parents are changing but that's a tough one to comment on as I'm not that old "I dont think anyonr would argue that kids have more access to adult themed media and information now. My point is that their behaviour is no better or worse than it was when we were that age from my expieriance. Any of the examples of bad behaviour above I could recall simular stories from when I was a kid. Maybe they just were not heard of as much because of the lack of social media etc... | |||
"Our perception of kids being bold has increased as society has changed. In the past, a child being bad could get a kick in the ass, a slap in the back of the head, or grabbed by the scruff of the neck by anyone. A stranger in a shop, a passerby, a cop, a teacher. Upon hearing this a parent would be apologetic and further slap the child. So society had a feeling that corrective behaviour was being attempted. But people are throwing morality in the bin to spite the catholic church. Even the president of ireland has realised that lack of communal morality is tearing Irish communities apart and that is how we are now. A bold child can only get corrective behaviour from a parent, no one else. We dont want a communal morality in our schools, in our hospitals, in our housing estates. So perception of a bold child now is that they are a shit and their parents are shits too. Cause the community wont smack them in the back of the head and say "they are just a bit of a brat really". Nothing to be done about it, Irish people are happy to erode community morality more and more so it will only feel like its getting worse and worse." It funny you speak about communial correction in previous generations, imagine a stranger correcting your child now, if you didn't punch them in the face they'd get jail! A dramatic recent change in society has stopped the community educating children leaving it up to some parents that aren't very good at their job... | |||
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"Our perception of kids being bold has increased as society has changed. In the past, a child being bad could get a kick in the ass, a slap in the back of the head, or grabbed by the scruff of the neck by anyone. A stranger in a shop, a passerby, a cop, a teacher. Upon hearing this a parent would be apologetic and further slap the child. So society had a feeling that corrective behaviour was being attempted. But people are throwing morality in the bin to spite the catholic church. Even the president of ireland has realised that lack of communal morality is tearing Irish communities apart and that is how we are now. A bold child can only get corrective behaviour from a parent, no one else. We dont want a communal morality in our schools, in our hospitals, in our housing estates. So perception of a bold child now is that they are a shit and their parents are shits too. Cause the community wont smack them in the back of the head and say "they are just a bit of a brat really". Nothing to be done about it, Irish people are happy to erode community morality more and more so it will only feel like its getting worse and worse. It funny you speak about communial correction in previous generations, imagine a stranger correcting your child now, if you didn't punch them in the face they'd get jail! A dramatic recent change in society has stopped the community educating children leaving it up to some parents that aren't very good at their job... " I have to try team n children in right to wrong but also have to be very careful what I do or say. Could end up in court in a heartbeat. Society has changed alrite | |||
"Our perception of kids being bold has increased as society has changed. In the past, a child being bad could get a kick in the ass, a slap in the back of the head, or grabbed by the scruff of the neck by anyone. A stranger in a shop, a passerby, a cop, a teacher. Upon hearing this a parent would be apologetic and further slap the child. So society had a feeling that corrective behaviour was being attempted. But people are throwing morality in the bin to spite the catholic church. Even the president of ireland has realised that lack of communal morality is tearing Irish communities apart and that is how we are now. A bold child can only get corrective behaviour from a parent, no one else. We dont want a communal morality in our schools, in our hospitals, in our housing estates. So perception of a bold child now is that they are a shit and their parents are shits too. Cause the community wont smack them in the back of the head and say "they are just a bit of a brat really". Nothing to be done about it, Irish people are happy to erode community morality more and more so it will only feel like its getting worse and worse. It funny you speak about communial correction in previous generations, imagine a stranger correcting your child now, if you didn't punch them in the face they'd get jail! A dramatic recent change in society has stopped the community educating children leaving it up to some parents that aren't very good at their job... I have to try team n children in right to wrong but also have to be very careful what I do or say. Could end up in court in a heartbeat. Society has changed alrite " teach | |||
"I'll stem back to the question I asked earlier. Do u ban kids having smartphones and tablets to a certain age? " Id bam a fair few adults to be honest
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"I'll stem back to the question I asked earlier. Do u ban kids having smartphones and tablets to a certain age? Id bam a fair few adults to be honest
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"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. im involved with kids in more then you have a clue about. Daily work and voluntary in diff organisations and I can tell you alot of kids have a distinct lack of respect. I follow on what I said, alot roam the streets up to no good,teenagers 13 14 15, seen it with my own eyes, parents sitting at home "ah sure my Tommy is out with friends he would do no wrong". They also have access to to much 9 10 11 12 yos. It's unreal the stuff they know. Shouldn't even enter their minds at that age. I could go on. As i said a pne dimensional view..not a good way to be when dealing with teens and children. Instead of bemoaning them do something positive... be a positive adult in their life instead of one that critisises. A lot if children with social, emotional behaviour disorders lack that element in their lives. as I already said every child I deal with will be told right from wrong. Simple as that. But its not that simple is it ... others pick up those pieces. Shades of gray my dear ...it is as simple as that in coaching them right from wrong, in attitude, behaviour, pitch performance etc. What parents do at home with them, that's something I can't control Not all young people come from the same backgrounds or have had the same experiences. Not all children will respond to "coaching" or an authoritarian approach. Does this mean we give up on the "difficult" child or does this mean we as adults adjust how we deal with these children ?? As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works. Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing. Not all children come from the same backgrounds .... not all children are privileged enough to be within any coaching system. Sometimes lifes not black and white.... and a child with behaviour issues cant be "fixed" that easily. Working on any level with the next generation is a privilege, your an influence on the adult they become. See the Good and they will shine, encourage dont discourage. If you can only see the negative maybe question your role behaviour issues are classed as autism, adhd etc. I'm talking about kids who are downright bold. Do you know what that word means? It has fuck all to do with a condition. One thing I will say is more and more kids are also been brought up by one parent. Would that have an effect?" To say that is really a poor statment. Im aghast at your generalisations, its unfair and untrue. As someone that works with children investigate sensory disorders and behaviour disorders. Bold ... of course theres "bold" children .... your the adult, you've had training... dont be bold back. Using "fuck" to get your point across is very bold...poor choice. Do single parent families have "an effect".... much like all otber families some negitive some positive ...it depends on circumstances | |||
"Life is hard slog - who are we to judge other people’s kids behaviour. All one can do is be the best parent you can " tell that to the parents when a person goes to their door and says, I just had your johnny and his mates beating a ball and eggs off the elderly neighbours doors and windows. "How dare you my johnny would do no such thing" the amount of times I have heard it. Some parents think the sun shines out of their kids arses. | |||
"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. im involved with kids in more then you have a clue about. Daily work and voluntary in diff organisations and I can tell you alot of kids have a distinct lack of respect. I follow on what I said, alot roam the streets up to no good,teenagers 13 14 15, seen it with my own eyes, parents sitting at home "ah sure my Tommy is out with friends he would do no wrong". They also have access to to much 9 10 11 12 yos. It's unreal the stuff they know. Shouldn't even enter their minds at that age. I could go on. As i said a pne dimensional view..not a good way to be when dealing with teens and children. Instead of bemoaning them do something positive... be a positive adult in their life instead of one that critisises. A lot if children with social, emotional behaviour disorders lack that element in their lives. as I already said every child I deal with will be told right from wrong. Simple as that. But its not that simple is it ... others pick up those pieces. Shades of gray my dear ...it is as simple as that in coaching them right from wrong, in attitude, behaviour, pitch performance etc. What parents do at home with them, that's something I can't control Not all young people come from the same backgrounds or have had the same experiences. Not all children will respond to "coaching" or an authoritarian approach. Does this mean we give up on the "difficult" child or does this mean we as adults adjust how we deal with these children ?? As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works. Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing. Not all children come from the same backgrounds .... not all children are privileged enough to be within any coaching system. Sometimes lifes not black and white.... and a child with behaviour issues cant be "fixed" that easily. Working on any level with the next generation is a privilege, your an influence on the adult they become. See the Good and they will shine, encourage dont discourage. If you can only see the negative maybe question your role behaviour issues are classed as autism, adhd etc. I'm talking about kids who are downright bold. Do you know what that word means? It has fuck all to do with a condition. One thing I will say is more and more kids are also been brought up by one parent. Would that have an effect? Neither are classed as behavioural problemsenlighten me, what is so? " ADHD Its an eady one. Attention deficit disorder. Self explanatory. Autism is a neurobiological disorder or Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) is a developmental disorder that causes issues with communication, social, verbal, and motor skills. Neither are specifically classed as behavioural disorders on the bold scale. Oh and bold isn't actually a word used to describe disruptive people. disruptive behaviour disorders include oppositional defiant disorder (ODD), conduct disorder (CD). There is two you can do some research on. With 7 years and a masters behind me I don't think I'll do anymore tonight  | |||
"Life is hard slog - who are we to judge other people’s kids behaviour. All one can do is be the best parent you can tell that to the parents when a person goes to their door and says, I just had your johnny and his mates beating a ball and eggs off the elderly neighbours doors and windows. "How dare you my johnny would do no such thing" the amount of times I have heard it. Some parents think the sun shines out of their kids arses. " wouldn't | |||
"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. im involved with kids in more then you have a clue about. Daily work and voluntary in diff organisations and I can tell you alot of kids have a distinct lack of respect. I follow on what I said, alot roam the streets up to no good,teenagers 13 14 15, seen it with my own eyes, parents sitting at home "ah sure my Tommy is out with friends he would do no wrong". They also have access to to much 9 10 11 12 yos. It's unreal the stuff they know. Shouldn't even enter their minds at that age. I could go on. As i said a pne dimensional view..not a good way to be when dealing with teens and children. Instead of bemoaning them do something positive... be a positive adult in their life instead of one that critisises. A lot if children with social, emotional behaviour disorders lack that element in their lives. as I already said every child I deal with will be told right from wrong. Simple as that. But its not that simple is it ... others pick up those pieces. Shades of gray my dear ...it is as simple as that in coaching them right from wrong, in attitude, behaviour, pitch performance etc. What parents do at home with them, that's something I can't control Not all young people come from the same backgrounds or have had the same experiences. Not all children will respond to "coaching" or an authoritarian approach. Does this mean we give up on the "difficult" child or does this mean we as adults adjust how we deal with these children ?? As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works. Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing. Not all children come from the same backgrounds .... not all children are privileged enough to be within any coaching system. Sometimes lifes not black and white.... and a child with behaviour issues cant be "fixed" that easily. Working on any level with the next generation is a privilege, your an influence on the adult they become. See the Good and they will shine, encourage dont discourage. If you can only see the negative maybe question your role behaviour issues are classed as autism, adhd etc. I'm talking about kids who are downright bold. Do you know what that word means? It has fuck all to do with a condition. One thing I will say is more and more kids are also been brought up by one parent. Would that have an effect? Neither are classed as behavioural problemsenlighten me, what is so? ADHD Its an eady one. Attention deficit disorder. Self explanatory. Autism is a neurobiological disorder or Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) is a developmental disorder that causes issues with communication, social, verbal, and motor skills. Neither are specifically classed as behavioural disorders on the bold scale. Oh and bold isn't actually a word used to describe disruptive people. disruptive behaviour disorders include oppositional defiant disorder (ODD), conduct disorder (CD). There is two you can do some research on. With 7 years and a masters behind me I don't think I'll do anymore tonight "
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"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. im involved with kids in more then you have a clue about. Daily work and voluntary in diff organisations and I can tell you alot of kids have a distinct lack of respect. I follow on what I said, alot roam the streets up to no good,teenagers 13 14 15, seen it with my own eyes, parents sitting at home "ah sure my Tommy is out with friends he would do no wrong". They also have access to to much 9 10 11 12 yos. It's unreal the stuff they know. Shouldn't even enter their minds at that age. I could go on. As i said a pne dimensional view..not a good way to be when dealing with teens and children. Instead of bemoaning them do something positive... be a positive adult in their life instead of one that critisises. A lot if children with social, emotional behaviour disorders lack that element in their lives. as I already said every child I deal with will be told right from wrong. Simple as that. But its not that simple is it ... others pick up those pieces. Shades of gray my dear ...it is as simple as that in coaching them right from wrong, in attitude, behaviour, pitch performance etc. What parents do at home with them, that's something I can't control Not all young people come from the same backgrounds or have had the same experiences. Not all children will respond to "coaching" or an authoritarian approach. Does this mean we give up on the "difficult" child or does this mean we as adults adjust how we deal with these children ?? As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works. Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing. Not all children come from the same backgrounds .... not all children are privileged enough to be within any coaching system. Sometimes lifes not black and white.... and a child with behaviour issues cant be "fixed" that easily. Working on any level with the next generation is a privilege, your an influence on the adult they become. See the Good and they will shine, encourage dont discourage. If you can only see the negative maybe question your role behaviour issues are classed as autism, adhd etc. I'm talking about kids who are downright bold. Do you know what that word means? It has fuck all to do with a condition. One thing I will say is more and more kids are also been brought up by one parent. Would that have an effect? To say that is really a poor statment. Im aghast at your generalisations, its unfair and untrue. As someone that works with children investigate sensory disorders and behaviour disorders. Bold ... of course theres "bold" children .... your the adult, you've had training... dont be bold back. Using "fuck" to get your point across is very bold...poor choice. Do single parent families have "an effect".... much like all otber families some negitive some positive ...it depends on circumstances " I work with children every day in a coaching capacity. My job is to coach and having them behaving respectfully in mine and other coaches care. That's it in a nutshell. Any unruly behaviour. I don't deal with it. Parents are brought in. | |||
"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. im involved with kids in more then you have a clue about. Daily work and voluntary in diff organisations and I can tell you alot of kids have a distinct lack of respect. I follow on what I said, alot roam the streets up to no good,teenagers 13 14 15, seen it with my own eyes, parents sitting at home "ah sure my Tommy is out with friends he would do no wrong". They also have access to to much 9 10 11 12 yos. It's unreal the stuff they know. Shouldn't even enter their minds at that age. I could go on. As i said a pne dimensional view..not a good way to be when dealing with teens and children. Instead of bemoaning them do something positive... be a positive adult in their life instead of one that critisises. A lot if children with social, emotional behaviour disorders lack that element in their lives. as I already said every child I deal with will be told right from wrong. Simple as that. But its not that simple is it ... others pick up those pieces. Shades of gray my dear ...it is as simple as that in coaching them right from wrong, in attitude, behaviour, pitch performance etc. What parents do at home with them, that's something I can't control Not all young people come from the same backgrounds or have had the same experiences. Not all children will respond to "coaching" or an authoritarian approach. Does this mean we give up on the "difficult" child or does this mean we as adults adjust how we deal with these children ?? As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works. Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing. Not all children come from the same backgrounds .... not all children are privileged enough to be within any coaching system. Sometimes lifes not black and white.... and a child with behaviour issues cant be "fixed" that easily. Working on any level with the next generation is a privilege, your an influence on the adult they become. See the Good and they will shine, encourage dont discourage. If you can only see the negative maybe question your role behaviour issues are classed as autism, adhd etc. I'm talking about kids who are downright bold. Do you know what that word means? It has fuck all to do with a condition. One thing I will say is more and more kids are also been brought up by one parent. Would that have an effect? To say that is really a poor statment. Im aghast at your generalisations, its unfair and untrue. As someone that works with children investigate sensory disorders and behaviour disorders. Bold ... of course theres "bold" children .... your the adult, you've had training... dont be bold back. Using "fuck" to get your point across is very bold...poor choice. Do single parent families have "an effect".... much like all otber families some negitive some positive ...it depends on circumstances I work with children every day in a coaching capacity. My job is to coach and having them behaving respectfully in mine and other coaches care. That's it in a nutshell. Any unruly behaviour. I don't deal with it. Parents are brought in. " Hopefully you never have SN kids in your care. Life's never as black and white as that and when working with children you dont give up on them, even the "difficult" ones. And thats that in a nutshell. | |||
"A wise old saying... it takes a village to raise a child.... its true and its gone. Our approach has to be different now but we need to get it right. This is the next generation. " Yeah, but its hard to get right and no one to guide. It's never been harder to be a parent. Take a bratty kid out to Tesco or McDonalds, and you will feel everyone judging you a cunt for the child acting a brat. In the past the parents wouldnt have been judged so harshly. There would have been a lot more sympathy for them. I personally think it will average out the same as before when they are all adults, cause i chose to believe that in private most parents are trying everything they can. | |||
"I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach..... Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring. Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect. This "While this truism fits, it's also important to note two massive societal shifts...emergence from borderline poverty to general affluence and of course the internet. You can't deny that these have had a massive effect on society in a short time and there must be an effect of growing up in this new world without knowing the alternatives. It's a bit different. | |||
"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. im involved with kids in more then you have a clue about. Daily work and voluntary in diff organisations and I can tell you alot of kids have a distinct lack of respect. I follow on what I said, alot roam the streets up to no good,teenagers 13 14 15, seen it with my own eyes, parents sitting at home "ah sure my Tommy is out with friends he would do no wrong". They also have access to to much 9 10 11 12 yos. It's unreal the stuff they know. Shouldn't even enter their minds at that age. I could go on. As i said a pne dimensional view..not a good way to be when dealing with teens and children. Instead of bemoaning them do something positive... be a positive adult in their life instead of one that critisises. A lot if children with social, emotional behaviour disorders lack that element in their lives. as I already said every child I deal with will be told right from wrong. Simple as that. But its not that simple is it ... others pick up those pieces. Shades of gray my dear ...it is as simple as that in coaching them right from wrong, in attitude, behaviour, pitch performance etc. What parents do at home with them, that's something I can't control Not all young people come from the same backgrounds or have had the same experiences. Not all children will respond to "coaching" or an authoritarian approach. Does this mean we give up on the "difficult" child or does this mean we as adults adjust how we deal with these children ?? As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works. Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing. Not all children come from the same backgrounds .... not all children are privileged enough to be within any coaching system. Sometimes lifes not black and white.... and a child with behaviour issues cant be "fixed" that easily. Working on any level with the next generation is a privilege, your an influence on the adult they become. See the Good and they will shine, encourage dont discourage. If you can only see the negative maybe question your role behaviour issues are classed as autism, adhd etc. I'm talking about kids who are downright bold. Do you know what that word means? It has fuck all to do with a condition. One thing I will say is more and more kids are also been brought up by one parent. Would that have an effect? To say that is really a poor statment. Im aghast at your generalisations, its unfair and untrue. As someone that works with children investigate sensory disorders and behaviour disorders. Bold ... of course theres "bold" children .... your the adult, you've had training... dont be bold back. Using "fuck" to get your point across is very bold...poor choice. Do single parent families have "an effect".... much like all otber families some negitive some positive ...it depends on circumstances I work with children every day in a coaching capacity. My job is to coach and having them behaving respectfully in mine and other coaches care. That's it in a nutshell. Any unruly behaviour. I don't deal with it. Parents are brought in. Hopefully you never have SN kids in your care. Life's never as black and white as that and when working with children you dont give up on them, even the "difficult" ones. And thats that in a nutshell. " you havnt a clue about coaching children in a specific sport so don't talk about something you know nothing about. I have 2 SN kids in one of my groups, not an ounce of bother. As I said my job is to coach kids in a specific sport. Make it fun for them and learn them the skills of the specific sport along with other coaches. Also as I said continued bold unruly behaviour and parents are brought in. That's not my job, coaching is. | |||
"I'll stem back to the question I asked earlier. Do u ban kids having smartphones and tablets to a certain age? Id bam a fair few adults to be honest
lol that's not answering the question. "I would not let my child have a tablet or phone until I felt they were mature enough for it. I dont think technology turns kids into unruley shits though, and its not going anywhere so we might as well embrace it and help kids navagete it and the issues it brings | |||
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"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. im involved with kids in more then you have a clue about. Daily work and voluntary in diff organisations and I can tell you alot of kids have a distinct lack of respect. I follow on what I said, alot roam the streets up to no good,teenagers 13 14 15, seen it with my own eyes, parents sitting at home "ah sure my Tommy is out with friends he would do no wrong". They also have access to to much 9 10 11 12 yos. It's unreal the stuff they know. Shouldn't even enter their minds at that age. I could go on. As i said a pne dimensional view..not a good way to be when dealing with teens and children. Instead of bemoaning them do something positive... be a positive adult in their life instead of one that critisises. A lot if children with social, emotional behaviour disorders lack that element in their lives. as I already said every child I deal with will be told right from wrong. Simple as that. But its not that simple is it ... others pick up those pieces. Shades of gray my dear ...it is as simple as that in coaching them right from wrong, in attitude, behaviour, pitch performance etc. What parents do at home with them, that's something I can't control Not all young people come from the same backgrounds or have had the same experiences. Not all children will respond to "coaching" or an authoritarian approach. Does this mean we give up on the "difficult" child or does this mean we as adults adjust how we deal with these children ?? As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works. Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing. Not all children come from the same backgrounds .... not all children are privileged enough to be within any coaching system. Sometimes lifes not black and white.... and a child with behaviour issues cant be "fixed" that easily. Working on any level with the next generation is a privilege, your an influence on the adult they become. See the Good and they will shine, encourage dont discourage. If you can only see the negative maybe question your role behaviour issues are classed as autism, adhd etc. I'm talking about kids who are downright bold. Do you know what that word means? It has fuck all to do with a condition. One thing I will say is more and more kids are also been brought up by one parent. Would that have an effect? Neither are classed as behavioural problemsenlighten me, what is so? ADHD Its an eady one. Attention deficit disorder. Self explanatory. Autism is a neurobiological disorder or Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) is a developmental disorder that causes issues with communication, social, verbal, and motor skills. Neither are specifically classed as behavioural disorders on the bold scale. Oh and bold isn't actually a word used to describe disruptive people. disruptive behaviour disorders include oppositional defiant disorder (ODD), conduct disorder (CD). There is two you can do some research on. With 7 years and a masters behind me I don't think I'll do anymore tonight "Got any stats of occurrence rate within a population of these disorders? Remember diagnosis is subjective...must be tricky when you throw regular growing pains and erratic behaviour into the mix | |||
"I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach..... Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring. Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect. This
While this truism fits, it's also important to note two massive societal shifts...emergence from borderline poverty to general affluence and of course the internet.
You can't deny that these have had a massive effect on society in a short time and there must be an effect of growing up in this new world without knowing the alternatives.
It's a bit different.
"Ya the world they grow up in is hugely different I agree. But so was the one I grew up in compared to my father. I can only comment on what I have seen, the general behaviour and attitude of the kids I interact with are for the most part great and no different to what I remember as a kid | |||
"I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach..... Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring. Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect. This
While this truism fits, it's also important to note two massive societal shifts...emergence from borderline poverty to general affluence and of course the internet.
You can't deny that these have had a massive effect on society in a short time and there must be an effect of growing up in this new world without knowing the alternatives.
It's a bit different.
Ya the world they grow up in is hugely different I agree.
But so was the one I grew up in compared to my father.
I can only comment on what I have seen, the general behaviour and attitude of the kids I interact with are for the most part great and no different to what I remember as a kid"The degree of difference is way way less! Colour TV instead of black and white. I can say what I see....I see a dangerous level of no, exhibitionism and fertile minds prey to some awful propaganda all in readily addictive dopamine hits. I see massive differences in the depth and quality of conversations and too much copy cat sameness as kids all over the world copy a tiny set of key influencers. | |||
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"I'll stem back to the question I asked earlier. Do u ban kids having smartphones and tablets to a certain age? Id bam a fair few adults to be honest
lol that's not answering the question.
I would not let my child have a tablet or phone until I felt they were mature enough for it.
I dont think technology turns kids into unruley shits though, and its not going anywhere so we might as well embrace it and help kids navagete it and the issues it brings"My kid is in primary school and has had access to tech since being able to hold up a Vtech laptop on a high chair. Then there was the Leap Pad. Then an array of tablets, phones and what I like to call "craptops" (old, re-furbished laptops loaded with stuff). Oh yeah... and a Nintendo DS (which was a gift from an auntie) and an Xbox a couple of years back. The kid has more firepower than NASA did 40 years ago. Kid is still very bright, worldly, hilariously cynical but also sweet and gentle and kind... and NONE of this has anything to do with any gadget. When I was a squirt I farted around with cassette players, CB radios, turntables and shortwave radios. My neighbour had a Commodore64 and I was so jealous that I had to type all my school reports on my brother typewriter. Gadgets and computers in and of themselves are no more harmful than their users. The only harmful toy is a weapon... that's why I'd rather see kids play with phones than pistols, crossbows, knives, bows and arrows, bats, truncheons, chibs, or firecrackers anyday. | |||
"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. im involved with kids in more then you have a clue about. Daily work and voluntary in diff organisations and I can tell you alot of kids have a distinct lack of respect. I follow on what I said, alot roam the streets up to no good,teenagers 13 14 15, seen it with my own eyes, parents sitting at home "ah sure my Tommy is out with friends he would do no wrong". They also have access to to much 9 10 11 12 yos. It's unreal the stuff they know. Shouldn't even enter their minds at that age. I could go on. As i said a pne dimensional view..not a good way to be when dealing with teens and children. Instead of bemoaning them do something positive... be a positive adult in their life instead of one that critisises. A lot if children with social, emotional behaviour disorders lack that element in their lives. as I already said every child I deal with will be told right from wrong. Simple as that. But its not that simple is it ... others pick up those pieces. Shades of gray my dear ...it is as simple as that in coaching them right from wrong, in attitude, behaviour, pitch performance etc. What parents do at home with them, that's something I can't control Not all young people come from the same backgrounds or have had the same experiences. Not all children will respond to "coaching" or an authoritarian approach. Does this mean we give up on the "difficult" child or does this mean we as adults adjust how we deal with these children ?? As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works. Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing. Not all children come from the same backgrounds .... not all children are privileged enough to be within any coaching system. Sometimes lifes not black and white.... and a child with behaviour issues cant be "fixed" that easily. Working on any level with the next generation is a privilege, your an influence on the adult they become. See the Good and they will shine, encourage dont discourage. If you can only see the negative maybe question your role behaviour issues are classed as autism, adhd etc. I'm talking about kids who are downright bold. Do you know what that word means? It has fuck all to do with a condition. One thing I will say is more and more kids are also been brought up by one parent. Would that have an effect? To say that is really a poor statment. Im aghast at your generalisations, its unfair and untrue. As someone that works with children investigate sensory disorders and behaviour disorders. Bold ... of course theres "bold" children .... your the adult, you've had training... dont be bold back. Using "fuck" to get your point across is very bold...poor choice. Do single parent families have "an effect".... much like all otber families some negitive some positive ...it depends on circumstances I work with children every day in a coaching capacity. My job is to coach and having them behaving respectfully in mine and other coaches care. That's it in a nutshell. Any unruly behaviour. I don't deal with it. Parents are brought in. Hopefully you never have SN kids in your care. Life's never as black and white as that and when working with children you dont give up on them, even the "difficult" ones. And thats that in a nutshell. you havnt a clue about coaching children in a specific sport so don't talk about something you know nothing about. I have 2 SN kids in one of my groups, not an ounce of bother. As I said my job is to coach kids in a specific sport. Make it fun for them and learn them the skills of the specific sport along with other coaches. Also as I said continued bold unruly behaviour and parents are brought in. That's not my job, coaching is. " To be blunt ( but not rude) you dont know what i do or dont know but what i do know is your coming across very negitive towards a group your supposed to be invested in on a professional basis and tbh an inability to deal with other view points. Like i said at the start, lifes not black and white and authoritarian approaches dont always work. If your not prepared as an adult to adjust how you deal with children presenting with behaviour problems you risk losing them to the antisocial behaviour your bemoaning at the start. My viewpoint is as adults we adjust our approach to keep all children involved. | |||
"I'll stem back to the question I asked earlier. Do u ban kids having smartphones and tablets to a certain age? Id bam a fair few adults to be honest
lol that's not answering the question.
I would not let my child have a tablet or phone until I felt they were mature enough for it.
I dont think technology turns kids into unruley shits though, and its not going anywhere so we might as well embrace it and help kids navagete it and the issues it brings
My kid is in primary school and has had access to tech since being able to hold up a Vtech laptop on a high chair.
Then there was the Leap Pad. Then an array of tablets, phones and what I like to call "craptops" (old, re-furbished laptops loaded with stuff).
Oh yeah... and a Nintendo DS (which was a gift from an auntie) and an Xbox a couple of years back.
The kid has more firepower than NASA did 40 years ago.
Kid is still very bright, worldly, hilariously cynical but also sweet and gentle and kind... and NONE of this has anything to do with any gadget.
When I was a squirt I farted around with cassette players, CB radios, turntables and shortwave radios. My neighbour had a Commodore64 and I was so jealous that I had to type all my school reports on my brother typewriter.
Gadgets and computers in and of themselves are no more harmful than their users.
The only harmful toy is a weapon... that's why I'd rather see kids play with phones than pistols, crossbows, knives, bows and arrows, bats, truncheons, chibs, or firecrackers anyday. "I agree. The issues I refered to were informational on "connected" devices | |||
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"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. im involved with kids in more then you have a clue about. Daily work and voluntary in diff organisations and I can tell you alot of kids have a distinct lack of respect. I follow on what I said, alot roam the streets up to no good,teenagers 13 14 15, seen it with my own eyes, parents sitting at home "ah sure my Tommy is out with friends he would do no wrong". They also have access to to much 9 10 11 12 yos. It's unreal the stuff they know. Shouldn't even enter their minds at that age. I could go on. As i said a pne dimensional view..not a good way to be when dealing with teens and children. Instead of bemoaning them do something positive... be a positive adult in their life instead of one that critisises. A lot if children with social, emotional behaviour disorders lack that element in their lives. as I already said every child I deal with will be told right from wrong. Simple as that. But its not that simple is it ... others pick up those pieces. Shades of gray my dear ...it is as simple as that in coaching them right from wrong, in attitude, behaviour, pitch performance etc. What parents do at home with them, that's something I can't control Not all young people come from the same backgrounds or have had the same experiences. Not all children will respond to "coaching" or an authoritarian approach. Does this mean we give up on the "difficult" child or does this mean we as adults adjust how we deal with these children ?? As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works. Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing. Not all children come from the same backgrounds .... not all children are privileged enough to be within any coaching system. Sometimes lifes not black and white.... and a child with behaviour issues cant be "fixed" that easily. Working on any level with the next generation is a privilege, your an influence on the adult they become. See the Good and they will shine, encourage dont discourage. If you can only see the negative maybe question your role behaviour issues are classed as autism, adhd etc. I'm talking about kids who are downright bold. Do you know what that word means? It has fuck all to do with a condition. One thing I will say is more and more kids are also been brought up by one parent. Would that have an effect? To say that is really a poor statment. Im aghast at your generalisations, its unfair and untrue. As someone that works with children investigate sensory disorders and behaviour disorders. Bold ... of course theres "bold" children .... your the adult, you've had training... dont be bold back. Using "fuck" to get your point across is very bold...poor choice. Do single parent families have "an effect".... much like all otber families some negitive some positive ...it depends on circumstances I work with children every day in a coaching capacity. My job is to coach and having them behaving respectfully in mine and other coaches care. That's it in a nutshell. Any unruly behaviour. I don't deal with it. Parents are brought in. Hopefully you never have SN kids in your care. Life's never as black and white as that and when working with children you dont give up on them, even the "difficult" ones. And thats that in a nutshell. you havnt a clue about coaching children in a specific sport so don't talk about something you know nothing about. I have 2 SN kids in one of my groups, not an ounce of bother. As I said my job is to coach kids in a specific sport. Make it fun for them and learn them the skills of the specific sport along with other coaches. Also as I said continued bold unruly behaviour and parents are brought in. That's not my job, coaching is. To be blunt ( but not rude) you dont know what i do or dont know but what i do know is your coming across very negitive towards a group your supposed to be invested in on a professional basis and tbh an inability to deal with other view points. Like i said at the start, lifes not black and white and authoritarian approaches dont always work. If your not prepared as an adult to adjust how you deal with children presenting with behaviour problems you risk losing them to the antisocial behaviour your bemoaning at the start. My viewpoint is as adults we adjust our approach to keep all children involved. " you don't know what it's like in a coaching capacity. You're there to train kids in a chosen sport. I coach in an array of sports. My job is to coach and improve the skill sets of children. We do fun stuff at start of every activity. If children at the session decide to disrupt it and behave unruly they are spoken to and told why. If the behaviour escalates/ gets worse, session to session mammy and daddy are brought in for a little chat so I'll say what I already said. I'm there to coach, that's my job. | |||
"It's the parents not being strict enough A child's brain is like a computer It's all about what you install into it and it's memory. You can't back chat n play up I'm the army I'm. Not saying bring kids up regimental I'm just saying install the importance of politeness manners and respect " *in | |||
"I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach..... Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring. Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect. This
While this truism fits, it's also important to note two massive societal shifts...emergence from borderline poverty to general affluence and of course the internet.
You can't deny that these have had a massive effect on society in a short time and there must be an effect of growing up in this new world without knowing the alternatives.
It's a bit different.
Ya the world they grow up in is hugely different I agree.
But so was the one I grew up in compared to my father.
I can only comment on what I have seen, the general behaviour and attitude of the kids I interact with are for the most part great and no different to what I remember as a kid
The degree of difference is way way less! Colour TV instead of black and white.
I can say what I see....I see a dangerous level of no, exhibitionism and fertile minds prey to some awful propaganda all in readily addictive dopamine hits.
I see massive differences in the depth and quality of conversations and too much copy cat sameness as kids all over the world copy a tiny set of key influencers. "Not sure I agree. I had access to the internet as a teen. Violent video games as a preteen. My only source of political and moral influance was my parents and peers. I see kids now as actually more open minded | |||
"I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach..... Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring. Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect. This
While this truism fits, it's also important to note two massive societal shifts...emergence from borderline poverty to general affluence and of course the internet.
You can't deny that these have had a massive effect on society in a short time and there must be an effect of growing up in this new world without knowing the alternatives.
It's a bit different.
Ya the world they grow up in is hugely different I agree.
But so was the one I grew up in compared to my father.
I can only comment on what I have seen, the general behaviour and attitude of the kids I interact with are for the most part great and no different to what I remember as a kid
The degree of difference is way way less! Colour TV instead of black and white.
I can say what I see....I see a dangerous level of no, exhibitionism and fertile minds prey to some awful propaganda all in readily addictive dopamine hits.
I see massive differences in the depth and quality of conversations and too much copy cat sameness as kids all over the world copy a tiny set of key influencers.
Not sure I agree.
I had access to the internet as a teen.
Violent video games as a preteen.
My only source of political and moral influance was my parents and peers.
I see kids now as actually more open minded "I can tell you kids that know alot, 2 much at their age have very little open mindedness to been gay. It's something still been belittled by humans so young. Mocked etc | |||
"I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach..... Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring. Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect. This
While this truism fits, it's also important to note two massive societal shifts...emergence from borderline poverty to general affluence and of course the internet.
You can't deny that these have had a massive effect on society in a short time and there must be an effect of growing up in this new world without knowing the alternatives.
It's a bit different.
Ya the world they grow up in is hugely different I agree.
But so was the one I grew up in compared to my father.
I can only comment on what I have seen, the general behaviour and attitude of the kids I interact with are for the most part great and no different to what I remember as a kid
The degree of difference is way way less! Colour TV instead of black and white.
I can say what I see....I see a dangerous level of no, exhibitionism and fertile minds prey to some awful propaganda all in readily addictive dopamine hits.
I see massive differences in the depth and quality of conversations and too much copy cat sameness as kids all over the world copy a tiny set of key influencers.
Not sure I agree.
I had access to the internet as a teen.
Violent video games as a preteen.
My only source of political and moral influance was my parents and peers.
I see kids now as actually more open minded I can tell you kids that know alot, 2 much at their age have very little open mindedness to been gay. It's something still been belittled by humans so young. Mocked etc"And I can tell you about kids that support and care for each other. We.all have easy examples to back up our points | |||
"I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach..... Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring. Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect. This
While this truism fits, it's also important to note two massive societal shifts...emergence from borderline poverty to general affluence and of course the internet.
You can't deny that these have had a massive effect on society in a short time and there must be an effect of growing up in this new world without knowing the alternatives.
It's a bit different.
Ya the world they grow up in is hugely different I agree.
But so was the one I grew up in compared to my father.
I can only comment on what I have seen, the general behaviour and attitude of the kids I interact with are for the most part great and no different to what I remember as a kid
The degree of difference is way way less! Colour TV instead of black and white.
I can say what I see....I see a dangerous level of no, exhibitionism and fertile minds prey to some awful propaganda all in readily addictive dopamine hits.
I see massive differences in the depth and quality of conversations and too much copy cat sameness as kids all over the world copy a tiny set of key influencers.
Not sure I agree.
I had access to the internet as a teen.
Violent video games as a preteen.
My only source of political and moral influance was my parents and peers.
I see kids now as actually more open minded I can tell you kids that know alot, 2 much at their age have very little open mindedness to been gay. It's something still been belittled by humans so young. Mocked etc
And I can tell you about kids that support and care for each other.
We.all have easy examples to back up our points"I'll ask you so, do you think it will ever be fully accepted a person been gay, not been bullied mocked etc etc? | |||
"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. im involved with kids in more then you have a clue about. Daily work and voluntary in diff organisations and I can tell you alot of kids have a distinct lack of respect. I follow on what I said, alot roam the streets up to no good,teenagers 13 14 15, seen it with my own eyes, parents sitting at home "ah sure my Tommy is out with friends he would do no wrong". They also have access to to much 9 10 11 12 yos. It's unreal the stuff they know. Shouldn't even enter their minds at that age. I could go on. As i said a pne dimensional view..not a good way to be when dealing with teens and children. Instead of bemoaning them do something positive... be a positive adult in their life instead of one that critisises. A lot if children with social, emotional behaviour disorders lack that element in their lives. as I already said every child I deal with will be told right from wrong. Simple as that. But its not that simple is it ... others pick up those pieces. Shades of gray my dear ...it is as simple as that in coaching them right from wrong, in attitude, behaviour, pitch performance etc. What parents do at home with them, that's something I can't control Not all young people come from the same backgrounds or have had the same experiences. Not all children will respond to "coaching" or an authoritarian approach. Does this mean we give up on the "difficult" child or does this mean we as adults adjust how we deal with these children ?? As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works. Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing. Not all children come from the same backgrounds .... not all children are privileged enough to be within any coaching system. Sometimes lifes not black and white.... and a child with behaviour issues cant be "fixed" that easily. Working on any level with the next generation is a privilege, your an influence on the adult they become. See the Good and they will shine, encourage dont discourage. If you can only see the negative maybe question your role behaviour issues are classed as autism, adhd etc. I'm talking about kids who are downright bold. Do you know what that word means? It has fuck all to do with a condition. One thing I will say is more and more kids are also been brought up by one parent. Would that have an effect? To say that is really a poor statment. Im aghast at your generalisations, its unfair and untrue. As someone that works with children investigate sensory disorders and behaviour disorders. Bold ... of course theres "bold" children .... your the adult, you've had training... dont be bold back. Using "fuck" to get your point across is very bold...poor choice. Do single parent families have "an effect".... much like all otber families some negitive some positive ...it depends on circumstances I work with children every day in a coaching capacity. My job is to coach and having them behaving respectfully in mine and other coaches care. That's it in a nutshell. Any unruly behaviour. I don't deal with it. Parents are brought in. Hopefully you never have SN kids in your care. Life's never as black and white as that and when working with children you dont give up on them, even the "difficult" ones. And thats that in a nutshell. you havnt a clue about coaching children in a specific sport so don't talk about something you know nothing about. I have 2 SN kids in one of my groups, not an ounce of bother. As I said my job is to coach kids in a specific sport. Make it fun for them and learn them the skills of the specific sport along with other coaches. Also as I said continued bold unruly behaviour and parents are brought in. That's not my job, coaching is. To be blunt ( but not rude) you dont know what i do or dont know but what i do know is your coming across very negitive towards a group your supposed to be invested in on a professional basis and tbh an inability to deal with other view points. Like i said at the start, lifes not black and white and authoritarian approaches dont always work. If your not prepared as an adult to adjust how you deal with children presenting with behaviour problems you risk losing them to the antisocial behaviour your bemoaning at the start. My viewpoint is as adults we adjust our approach to keep all children involved. you don't know what it's like in a coaching capacity. You're there to train kids in a chosen sport. I coach in an array of sports. My job is to coach and improve the skill sets of children. We do fun stuff at start of every activity. If children at the session decide to disrupt it and behave unruly they are spoken to and told why. If the behaviour escalates/ gets worse, session to session mammy and daddy are brought in for a little chat so I'll say what I already said. I'm there to coach, that's my job." I trained to coach children, my attitude and philosophy is very different. Like i said earlier one of the most important skills when working with other humans is having the ability to listen and understand. Making presumptions is a foolish endeavour | |||
"I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach..... Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring. Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect. This
While this truism fits, it's also important to note two massive societal shifts...emergence from borderline poverty to general affluence and of course the internet.
You can't deny that these have had a massive effect on society in a short time and there must be an effect of growing up in this new world without knowing the alternatives.
It's a bit different.
Ya the world they grow up in is hugely different I agree.
But so was the one I grew up in compared to my father.
I can only comment on what I have seen, the general behaviour and attitude of the kids I interact with are for the most part great and no different to what I remember as a kid
The degree of difference is way way less! Colour TV instead of black and white.
I can say what I see....I see a dangerous level of no, exhibitionism and fertile minds prey to some awful propaganda all in readily addictive dopamine hits.
I see massive differences in the depth and quality of conversations and too much copy cat sameness as kids all over the world copy a tiny set of key influencers.
Not sure I agree.
I had access to the internet as a teen.
Violent video games as a preteen.
My only source of political and moral influance was my parents and peers.
I see kids now as actually more open minded I can tell you kids that know alot, 2 much at their age have very little open mindedness to been gay. It's something still been belittled by humans so young. Mocked etc
And I can tell you about kids that support and care for each other.
We.all have easy examples to back up our pointsI'll ask you so, do you think it will ever be fully accepted a person been gay, not been bullied mocked etc etc?"By who? Everyone ever? Nope you will always have asshats in the world. Will kids continue to mock things they dont fully understand? of course they will.. thats not closedminded though that is a mind in development. Its where we as adults should be there to support and educate. Not write them all off | |||
"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. im involved with kids in more then you have a clue about. Daily work and voluntary in diff organisations and I can tell you alot of kids have a distinct lack of respect. I follow on what I said, alot roam the streets up to no good,teenagers 13 14 15, seen it with my own eyes, parents sitting at home "ah sure my Tommy is out with friends he would do no wrong". They also have access to to much 9 10 11 12 yos. It's unreal the stuff they know. Shouldn't even enter their minds at that age. I could go on. As i said a pne dimensional view..not a good way to be when dealing with teens and children. Instead of bemoaning them do something positive... be a positive adult in their life instead of one that critisises. A lot if children with social, emotional behaviour disorders lack that element in their lives. as I already said every child I deal with will be told right from wrong. Simple as that. But its not that simple is it ... others pick up those pieces. Shades of gray my dear ...it is as simple as that in coaching them right from wrong, in attitude, behaviour, pitch performance etc. What parents do at home with them, that's something I can't control Not all young people come from the same backgrounds or have had the same experiences. Not all children will respond to "coaching" or an authoritarian approach. Does this mean we give up on the "difficult" child or does this mean we as adults adjust how we deal with these children ?? As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works. Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing. Not all children come from the same backgrounds .... not all children are privileged enough to be within any coaching system. Sometimes lifes not black and white.... and a child with behaviour issues cant be "fixed" that easily. Working on any level with the next generation is a privilege, your an influence on the adult they become. See the Good and they will shine, encourage dont discourage. If you can only see the negative maybe question your role behaviour issues are classed as autism, adhd etc. I'm talking about kids who are downright bold. Do you know what that word means? It has fuck all to do with a condition. One thing I will say is more and more kids are also been brought up by one parent. Would that have an effect? To say that is really a poor statment. Im aghast at your generalisations, its unfair and untrue. As someone that works with children investigate sensory disorders and behaviour disorders. Bold ... of course theres "bold" children .... your the adult, you've had training... dont be bold back. Using "fuck" to get your point across is very bold...poor choice. Do single parent families have "an effect".... much like all otber families some negitive some positive ...it depends on circumstances I work with children every day in a coaching capacity. My job is to coach and having them behaving respectfully in mine and other coaches care. That's it in a nutshell. Any unruly behaviour. I don't deal with it. Parents are brought in. Hopefully you never have SN kids in your care. Life's never as black and white as that and when working with children you dont give up on them, even the "difficult" ones. And thats that in a nutshell. you havnt a clue about coaching children in a specific sport so don't talk about something you know nothing about. I have 2 SN kids in one of my groups, not an ounce of bother. As I said my job is to coach kids in a specific sport. Make it fun for them and learn them the skills of the specific sport along with other coaches. Also as I said continued bold unruly behaviour and parents are brought in. That's not my job, coaching is. To be blunt ( but not rude) you dont know what i do or dont know but what i do know is your coming across very negitive towards a group your supposed to be invested in on a professional basis and tbh an inability to deal with other view points. Like i said at the start, lifes not black and white and authoritarian approaches dont always work. If your not prepared as an adult to adjust how you deal with children presenting with behaviour problems you risk losing them to the antisocial behaviour your bemoaning at the start. My viewpoint is as adults we adjust our approach to keep all children involved. you don't know what it's like in a coaching capacity. You're there to train kids in a chosen sport. I coach in an array of sports. My job is to coach and improve the skill sets of children. We do fun stuff at start of every activity. If children at the session decide to disrupt it and behave unruly they are spoken to and told why. If the behaviour escalates/ gets worse, session to session mammy and daddy are brought in for a little chat so I'll say what I already said. I'm there to coach, that's my job. I trained to coach children, my attitude and philosophy is very different. Like i said earlier one of the most important skills when working with other humans is having the ability to listen and understand. Making presumptions is a foolish endeavour " trained to coach children in? Listen and understand? | |||
"I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach..... Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring. Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect. This
While this truism fits, it's also important to note two massive societal shifts...emergence from borderline poverty to general affluence and of course the internet.
You can't deny that these have had a massive effect on society in a short time and there must be an effect of growing up in this new world without knowing the alternatives.
It's a bit different.
Ya the world they grow up in is hugely different I agree.
But so was the one I grew up in compared to my father.
I can only comment on what I have seen, the general behaviour and attitude of the kids I interact with are for the most part great and no different to what I remember as a kid
The degree of difference is way way less! Colour TV instead of black and white.
I can say what I see....I see a dangerous level of no, exhibitionism and fertile minds prey to some awful propaganda all in readily addictive dopamine hits.
I see massive differences in the depth and quality of conversations and too much copy cat sameness as kids all over the world copy a tiny set of key influencers.
Not sure I agree.
I had access to the internet as a teen.
Violent video games as a preteen.
My only source of political and moral influance was my parents and peers.
I see kids now as actually more open minded I can tell you kids that know alot, 2 much at their age have very little open mindedness to been gay. It's something still been belittled by humans so young. Mocked etc
And I can tell you about kids that support and care for each other.
We.all have easy examples to back up our pointsI'll ask you so, do you think it will ever be fully accepted a person been gay, not been bullied mocked etc etc?
By who? Everyone ever? Nope you will always have asshats in the world.
Will kids continue to mock things they dont fully understand? of course they will.. thats not closedminded though that is a mind in development. Its where we as adults should be there to support and educate. Not write them all off"I didn't say anything about writing them all off. I deal with alot of kids who diss gays. Coming into my care with that attitude. Where is it coming from? | |||
"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. im involved with kids in more then you have a clue about. Daily work and voluntary in diff organisations and I can tell you alot of kids have a distinct lack of respect. I follow on what I said, alot roam the streets up to no good,teenagers 13 14 15, seen it with my own eyes, parents sitting at home "ah sure my Tommy is out with friends he would do no wrong". They also have access to to much 9 10 11 12 yos. It's unreal the stuff they know. Shouldn't even enter their minds at that age. I could go on. As i said a pne dimensional view..not a good way to be when dealing with teens and children. Instead of bemoaning them do something positive... be a positive adult in their life instead of one that critisises. A lot if children with social, emotional behaviour disorders lack that element in their lives. as I already said every child I deal with will be told right from wrong. Simple as that. But its not that simple is it ... others pick up those pieces. Shades of gray my dear ...it is as simple as that in coaching them right from wrong, in attitude, behaviour, pitch performance etc. What parents do at home with them, that's something I can't control Not all young people come from the same backgrounds or have had the same experiences. Not all children will respond to "coaching" or an authoritarian approach. Does this mean we give up on the "difficult" child or does this mean we as adults adjust how we deal with these children ?? As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works. Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing. Not all children come from the same backgrounds .... not all children are privileged enough to be within any coaching system. Sometimes lifes not black and white.... and a child with behaviour issues cant be "fixed" that easily. Working on any level with the next generation is a privilege, your an influence on the adult they become. See the Good and they will shine, encourage dont discourage. If you can only see the negative maybe question your role behaviour issues are classed as autism, adhd etc. I'm talking about kids who are downright bold. Do you know what that word means? It has fuck all to do with a condition. One thing I will say is more and more kids are also been brought up by one parent. Would that have an effect? To say that is really a poor statment. Im aghast at your generalisations, its unfair and untrue. As someone that works with children investigate sensory disorders and behaviour disorders. Bold ... of course theres "bold" children .... your the adult, you've had training... dont be bold back. Using "fuck" to get your point across is very bold...poor choice. Do single parent families have "an effect".... much like all otber families some negitive some positive ...it depends on circumstances I work with children every day in a coaching capacity. My job is to coach and having them behaving respectfully in mine and other coaches care. That's it in a nutshell. Any unruly behaviour. I don't deal with it. Parents are brought in. Hopefully you never have SN kids in your care. Life's never as black and white as that and when working with children you dont give up on them, even the "difficult" ones. And thats that in a nutshell. you havnt a clue about coaching children in a specific sport so don't talk about something you know nothing about. I have 2 SN kids in one of my groups, not an ounce of bother. As I said my job is to coach kids in a specific sport. Make it fun for them and learn them the skills of the specific sport along with other coaches. Also as I said continued bold unruly behaviour and parents are brought in. That's not my job, coaching is. To be blunt ( but not rude) you dont know what i do or dont know but what i do know is your coming across very negitive towards a group your supposed to be invested in on a professional basis and tbh an inability to deal with other view points. Like i said at the start, lifes not black and white and authoritarian approaches dont always work. If your not prepared as an adult to adjust how you deal with children presenting with behaviour problems you risk losing them to the antisocial behaviour your bemoaning at the start. My viewpoint is as adults we adjust our approach to keep all children involved. you don't know what it's like in a coaching capacity. You're there to train kids in a chosen sport. I coach in an array of sports. My job is to coach and improve the skill sets of children. We do fun stuff at start of every activity. If children at the session decide to disrupt it and behave unruly they are spoken to and told why. If the behaviour escalates/ gets worse, session to session mammy and daddy are brought in for a little chat so I'll say what I already said. I'm there to coach, that's my job. I trained to coach children, my attitude and philosophy is very different. Like i said earlier one of the most important skills when working with other humans is having the ability to listen and understand. Making presumptions is a foolish endeavour trained to coach children in? Listen and understand?" I consider that a skill you cant learn. | |||
"I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach..... Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring. Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect. This
While this truism fits, it's also important to note two massive societal shifts...emergence from borderline poverty to general affluence and of course the internet.
You can't deny that these have had a massive effect on society in a short time and there must be an effect of growing up in this new world without knowing the alternatives.
It's a bit different.
Ya the world they grow up in is hugely different I agree.
But so was the one I grew up in compared to my father.
I can only comment on what I have seen, the general behaviour and attitude of the kids I interact with are for the most part great and no different to what I remember as a kid
The degree of difference is way way less! Colour TV instead of black and white.
I can say what I see....I see a dangerous level of no, exhibitionism and fertile minds prey to some awful propaganda all in readily addictive dopamine hits.
I see massive differences in the depth and quality of conversations and too much copy cat sameness as kids all over the world copy a tiny set of key influencers.
Not sure I agree.
I had access to the internet as a teen.
Violent video games as a preteen.
My only source of political and moral influance was my parents and peers.
I see kids now as actually more open minded I can tell you kids that know alot, 2 much at their age have very little open mindedness to been gay. It's something still been belittled by humans so young. Mocked etc
And I can tell you about kids that support and care for each other.
We.all have easy examples to back up our pointsI'll ask you so, do you think it will ever be fully accepted a person been gay, not been bullied mocked etc etc?
By who? Everyone ever? Nope you will always have asshats in the world.
Will kids continue to mock things they dont fully understand? of course they will.. thats not closedminded though that is a mind in development. Its where we as adults should be there to support and educate. Not write them all offI didn't say anything about writing them all off. I deal with alot of kids who diss gays. Coming into my care with that attitude. Where is it coming from?"Sorry what is you actual point? Do young boys mock sexuality they dont understand and havent developes the confidence and empathy yet to accept? Yes. Is that any different to other generations? Nope | |||
"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. im involved with kids in more then you have a clue about. Daily work and voluntary in diff organisations and I can tell you alot of kids have a distinct lack of respect. I follow on what I said, alot roam the streets up to no good,teenagers 13 14 15, seen it with my own eyes, parents sitting at home "ah sure my Tommy is out with friends he would do no wrong". They also have access to to much 9 10 11 12 yos. It's unreal the stuff they know. Shouldn't even enter their minds at that age. I could go on. As i said a pne dimensional view..not a good way to be when dealing with teens and children. Instead of bemoaning them do something positive... be a positive adult in their life instead of one that critisises. A lot if children with social, emotional behaviour disorders lack that element in their lives. as I already said every child I deal with will be told right from wrong. Simple as that. But its not that simple is it ... others pick up those pieces. Shades of gray my dear ...it is as simple as that in coaching them right from wrong, in attitude, behaviour, pitch performance etc. What parents do at home with them, that's something I can't control Not all young people come from the same backgrounds or have had the same experiences. Not all children will respond to "coaching" or an authoritarian approach. Does this mean we give up on the "difficult" child or does this mean we as adults adjust how we deal with these children ?? As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works. Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing. Not all children come from the same backgrounds .... not all children are privileged enough to be within any coaching system. Sometimes lifes not black and white.... and a child with behaviour issues cant be "fixed" that easily. Working on any level with the next generation is a privilege, your an influence on the adult they become. See the Good and they will shine, encourage dont discourage. If you can only see the negative maybe question your role behaviour issues are classed as autism, adhd etc. I'm talking about kids who are downright bold. Do you know what that word means? It has fuck all to do with a condition. One thing I will say is more and more kids are also been brought up by one parent. Would that have an effect? To say that is really a poor statment. Im aghast at your generalisations, its unfair and untrue. As someone that works with children investigate sensory disorders and behaviour disorders. Bold ... of course theres "bold" children .... your the adult, you've had training... dont be bold back. Using "fuck" to get your point across is very bold...poor choice. Do single parent families have "an effect".... much like all otber families some negitive some positive ...it depends on circumstances I work with children every day in a coaching capacity. My job is to coach and having them behaving respectfully in mine and other coaches care. That's it in a nutshell. Any unruly behaviour. I don't deal with it. Parents are brought in. Hopefully you never have SN kids in your care. Life's never as black and white as that and when working with children you dont give up on them, even the "difficult" ones. And thats that in a nutshell. you havnt a clue about coaching children in a specific sport so don't talk about something you know nothing about. I have 2 SN kids in one of my groups, not an ounce of bother. As I said my job is to coach kids in a specific sport. Make it fun for them and learn them the skills of the specific sport along with other coaches. Also as I said continued bold unruly behaviour and parents are brought in. That's not my job, coaching is. To be blunt ( but not rude) you dont know what i do or dont know but what i do know is your coming across very negitive towards a group your supposed to be invested in on a professional basis and tbh an inability to deal with other view points. Like i said at the start, lifes not black and white and authoritarian approaches dont always work. If your not prepared as an adult to adjust how you deal with children presenting with behaviour problems you risk losing them to the antisocial behaviour your bemoaning at the start. My viewpoint is as adults we adjust our approach to keep all children involved. you don't know what it's like in a coaching capacity. You're there to train kids in a chosen sport. I coach in an array of sports. My job is to coach and improve the skill sets of children. We do fun stuff at start of every activity. If children at the session decide to disrupt it and behave unruly they are spoken to and told why. If the behaviour escalates/ gets worse, session to session mammy and daddy are brought in for a little chat so I'll say what I already said. I'm there to coach, that's my job. I trained to coach children, my attitude and philosophy is very different. Like i said earlier one of the most important skills when working with other humans is having the ability to listen and understand. Making presumptions is a foolish endeavour trained to coach children in? Listen and understand? I consider that a skill you cant learn." When coaching a specific sport we follow the idea principle. Introduce demonstrate explain and advise. Players are mostly listening learning and understanding. If a player doesn't, he speaks to a coach who listens and understands and explains it to them. | |||
"I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach..... Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring. Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect. This
While this truism fits, it's also important to note two massive societal shifts...emergence from borderline poverty to general affluence and of course the internet.
You can't deny that these have had a massive effect on society in a short time and there must be an effect of growing up in this new world without knowing the alternatives.
It's a bit different.
Ya the world they grow up in is hugely different I agree.
But so was the one I grew up in compared to my father.
I can only comment on what I have seen, the general behaviour and attitude of the kids I interact with are for the most part great and no different to what I remember as a kid
The degree of difference is way way less! Colour TV instead of black and white.
I can say what I see....I see a dangerous level of no, exhibitionism and fertile minds prey to some awful propaganda all in readily addictive dopamine hits.
I see massive differences in the depth and quality of conversations and too much copy cat sameness as kids all over the world copy a tiny set of key influencers.
Not sure I agree.
I had access to the internet as a teen.
Violent video games as a preteen.
My only source of political and moral influance was my parents and peers.
I see kids now as actually more open minded I can tell you kids that know alot, 2 much at their age have very little open mindedness to been gay. It's something still been belittled by humans so young. Mocked etc
And I can tell you about kids that support and care for each other.
We.all have easy examples to back up our pointsI'll ask you so, do you think it will ever be fully accepted a person been gay, not been bullied mocked etc etc?
By who? Everyone ever? Nope you will always have asshats in the world.
Will kids continue to mock things they dont fully understand? of course they will.. thats not closedminded though that is a mind in development. Its where we as adults should be there to support and educate. Not write them all offI didn't say anything about writing them all off. I deal with alot of kids who diss gays. Coming into my care with that attitude. Where is it coming from?
Sorry what is you actual point? Do young boys mock sexuality they dont understand and havent developes the confidence and empathy yet to accept? Yes. Is that any different to other generations? Nope"I'm asking where does the mocking concept come from? Why are they mocking? They should know no different from been gay str8 etc. Is it because they see it as not been the norm? | |||
"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. im involved with kids in more then you have a clue about. Daily work and voluntary in diff organisations and I can tell you alot of kids have a distinct lack of respect. I follow on what I said, alot roam the streets up to no good,teenagers 13 14 15, seen it with my own eyes, parents sitting at home "ah sure my Tommy is out with friends he would do no wrong". They also have access to to much 9 10 11 12 yos. It's unreal the stuff they know. Shouldn't even enter their minds at that age. I could go on. As i said a pne dimensional view..not a good way to be when dealing with teens and children. Instead of bemoaning them do something positive... be a positive adult in their life instead of one that critisises. A lot if children with social, emotional behaviour disorders lack that element in their lives. as I already said every child I deal with will be told right from wrong. Simple as that. But its not that simple is it ... others pick up those pieces. Shades of gray my dear ...it is as simple as that in coaching them right from wrong, in attitude, behaviour, pitch performance etc. What parents do at home with them, that's something I can't control Not all young people come from the same backgrounds or have had the same experiences. Not all children will respond to "coaching" or an authoritarian approach. Does this mean we give up on the "difficult" child or does this mean we as adults adjust how we deal with these children ?? As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works. Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing. Not all children come from the same backgrounds .... not all children are privileged enough to be within any coaching system. Sometimes lifes not black and white.... and a child with behaviour issues cant be "fixed" that easily. Working on any level with the next generation is a privilege, your an influence on the adult they become. See the Good and they will shine, encourage dont discourage. If you can only see the negative maybe question your role behaviour issues are classed as autism, adhd etc. I'm talking about kids who are downright bold. Do you know what that word means? It has fuck all to do with a condition. One thing I will say is more and more kids are also been brought up by one parent. Would that have an effect? To say that is really a poor statment. Im aghast at your generalisations, its unfair and untrue. As someone that works with children investigate sensory disorders and behaviour disorders. Bold ... of course theres "bold" children .... your the adult, you've had training... dont be bold back. Using "fuck" to get your point across is very bold...poor choice. Do single parent families have "an effect".... much like all otber families some negitive some positive ...it depends on circumstances I work with children every day in a coaching capacity. My job is to coach and having them behaving respectfully in mine and other coaches care. That's it in a nutshell. Any unruly behaviour. I don't deal with it. Parents are brought in. Hopefully you never have SN kids in your care. Life's never as black and white as that and when working with children you dont give up on them, even the "difficult" ones. And thats that in a nutshell. you havnt a clue about coaching children in a specific sport so don't talk about something you know nothing about. I have 2 SN kids in one of my groups, not an ounce of bother. As I said my job is to coach kids in a specific sport. Make it fun for them and learn them the skills of the specific sport along with other coaches. Also as I said continued bold unruly behaviour and parents are brought in. That's not my job, coaching is. To be blunt ( but not rude) you dont know what i do or dont know but what i do know is your coming across very negitive towards a group your supposed to be invested in on a professional basis and tbh an inability to deal with other view points. Like i said at the start, lifes not black and white and authoritarian approaches dont always work. If your not prepared as an adult to adjust how you deal with children presenting with behaviour problems you risk losing them to the antisocial behaviour your bemoaning at the start. My viewpoint is as adults we adjust our approach to keep all children involved. you don't know what it's like in a coaching capacity. You're there to train kids in a chosen sport. I coach in an array of sports. My job is to coach and improve the skill sets of children. We do fun stuff at start of every activity. If children at the session decide to disrupt it and behave unruly they are spoken to and told why. If the behaviour escalates/ gets worse, session to session mammy and daddy are brought in for a little chat so I'll say what I already said. I'm there to coach, that's my job. I trained to coach children, my attitude and philosophy is very different. Like i said earlier one of the most important skills when working with other humans is having the ability to listen and understand. Making presumptions is a foolish endeavour trained to coach children in? Listen and understand? I consider that a skill you cant learn.When coaching a specific sport we follow the idea principle. Introduce demonstrate explain and advise. Players are mostly listening learning and understanding. If a player doesn't, he speaks to a coach who listens and understands and explains it to them. " Im glad you understand the theory of your job. | |||
"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. im involved with kids in more then you have a clue about. Daily work and voluntary in diff organisations and I can tell you alot of kids have a distinct lack of respect. I follow on what I said, alot roam the streets up to no good,teenagers 13 14 15, seen it with my own eyes, parents sitting at home "ah sure my Tommy is out with friends he would do no wrong". They also have access to to much 9 10 11 12 yos. It's unreal the stuff they know. Shouldn't even enter their minds at that age. I could go on. As i said a pne dimensional view..not a good way to be when dealing with teens and children. Instead of bemoaning them do something positive... be a positive adult in their life instead of one that critisises. A lot if children with social, emotional behaviour disorders lack that element in their lives. as I already said every child I deal with will be told right from wrong. Simple as that. But its not that simple is it ... others pick up those pieces. Shades of gray my dear ...it is as simple as that in coaching them right from wrong, in attitude, behaviour, pitch performance etc. What parents do at home with them, that's something I can't control Not all young people come from the same backgrounds or have had the same experiences. Not all children will respond to "coaching" or an authoritarian approach. Does this mean we give up on the "difficult" child or does this mean we as adults adjust how we deal with these children ?? As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works. Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing. Not all children come from the same backgrounds .... not all children are privileged enough to be within any coaching system. Sometimes lifes not black and white.... and a child with behaviour issues cant be "fixed" that easily. Working on any level with the next generation is a privilege, your an influence on the adult they become. See the Good and they will shine, encourage dont discourage. If you can only see the negative maybe question your role behaviour issues are classed as autism, adhd etc. I'm talking about kids who are downright bold. Do you know what that word means? It has fuck all to do with a condition. One thing I will say is more and more kids are also been brought up by one parent. Would that have an effect? To say that is really a poor statment. Im aghast at your generalisations, its unfair and untrue. As someone that works with children investigate sensory disorders and behaviour disorders. Bold ... of course theres "bold" children .... your the adult, you've had training... dont be bold back. Using "fuck" to get your point across is very bold...poor choice. Do single parent families have "an effect".... much like all otber families some negitive some positive ...it depends on circumstances I work with children every day in a coaching capacity. My job is to coach and having them behaving respectfully in mine and other coaches care. That's it in a nutshell. Any unruly behaviour. I don't deal with it. Parents are brought in. Hopefully you never have SN kids in your care. Life's never as black and white as that and when working with children you dont give up on them, even the "difficult" ones. And thats that in a nutshell. you havnt a clue about coaching children in a specific sport so don't talk about something you know nothing about. I have 2 SN kids in one of my groups, not an ounce of bother. As I said my job is to coach kids in a specific sport. Make it fun for them and learn them the skills of the specific sport along with other coaches. Also as I said continued bold unruly behaviour and parents are brought in. That's not my job, coaching is. To be blunt ( but not rude) you dont know what i do or dont know but what i do know is your coming across very negitive towards a group your supposed to be invested in on a professional basis and tbh an inability to deal with other view points. Like i said at the start, lifes not black and white and authoritarian approaches dont always work. If your not prepared as an adult to adjust how you deal with children presenting with behaviour problems you risk losing them to the antisocial behaviour your bemoaning at the start. My viewpoint is as adults we adjust our approach to keep all children involved. you don't know what it's like in a coaching capacity. You're there to train kids in a chosen sport. I coach in an array of sports. My job is to coach and improve the skill sets of children. We do fun stuff at start of every activity. If children at the session decide to disrupt it and behave unruly they are spoken to and told why. If the behaviour escalates/ gets worse, session to session mammy and daddy are brought in for a little chat so I'll say what I already said. I'm there to coach, that's my job. I trained to coach children, my attitude and philosophy is very different. Like i said earlier one of the most important skills when working with other humans is having the ability to listen and understand. Making presumptions is a foolish endeavour trained to coach children in? Listen and understand? I consider that a skill you cant learn.When coaching a specific sport we follow the idea principle. Introduce demonstrate explain and advise. Players are mostly listening learning and understanding. If a player doesn't, he speaks to a coach who listens and understands and explains it to them. Im glad you understand the theory of your job. " not rocket science when you have courses completed in it. | |||
"I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach..... Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring. Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect. This
While this truism fits, it's also important to note two massive societal shifts...emergence from borderline poverty to general affluence and of course the internet.
You can't deny that these have had a massive effect on society in a short time and there must be an effect of growing up in this new world without knowing the alternatives.
It's a bit different.
Ya the world they grow up in is hugely different I agree.
But so was the one I grew up in compared to my father.
I can only comment on what I have seen, the general behaviour and attitude of the kids I interact with are for the most part great and no different to what I remember as a kid
The degree of difference is way way less! Colour TV instead of black and white.
I can say what I see....I see a dangerous level of no, exhibitionism and fertile minds prey to some awful propaganda all in readily addictive dopamine hits.
I see massive differences in the depth and quality of conversations and too much copy cat sameness as kids all over the world copy a tiny set of key influencers.
Not sure I agree.
I had access to the internet as a teen.
Violent video games as a preteen.
My only source of political and moral influance was my parents and peers.
I see kids now as actually more open minded I can tell you kids that know alot, 2 much at their age have very little open mindedness to been gay. It's something still been belittled by humans so young. Mocked etc
And I can tell you about kids that support and care for each other.
We.all have easy examples to back up our pointsI'll ask you so, do you think it will ever be fully accepted a person been gay, not been bullied mocked etc etc?
By who? Everyone ever? Nope you will always have asshats in the world.
Will kids continue to mock things they dont fully understand? of course they will.. thats not closedminded though that is a mind in development. Its where we as adults should be there to support and educate. Not write them all offI didn't say anything about writing them all off. I deal with alot of kids who diss gays. Coming into my care with that attitude. Where is it coming from?
Sorry what is you actual point? Do young boys mock sexuality they dont understand and havent developes the confidence and empathy yet to accept? Yes. Is that any different to other generations? NopeI'm asking where does the mocking concept come from? Why are they mocking? They should know no different from been gay str8 etc. Is it because they see it as not been the norm?"Its a learning and development tool if I remember my basic phscology, I maý be mistaken. I dont see how this relates to the thread. Is it something new in this generation? You OP was asking about modern kids behavior and this sounds like the same things that happened when we were kids. In fact the word fag and homo were alot more.common then | |||
"I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach..... Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring. Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect. This
While this truism fits, it's also important to note two massive societal shifts...emergence from borderline poverty to general affluence and of course the internet.
You can't deny that these have had a massive effect on society in a short time and there must be an effect of growing up in this new world without knowing the alternatives.
It's a bit different.
Ya the world they grow up in is hugely different I agree.
But so was the one I grew up in compared to my father.
I can only comment on what I have seen, the general behaviour and attitude of the kids I interact with are for the most part great and no different to what I remember as a kid
The degree of difference is way way less! Colour TV instead of black and white.
I can say what I see....I see a dangerous level of no, exhibitionism and fertile minds prey to some awful propaganda all in readily addictive dopamine hits.
I see massive differences in the depth and quality of conversations and too much copy cat sameness as kids all over the world copy a tiny set of key influencers.
Not sure I agree.
I had access to the internet as a teen.
Violent video games as a preteen.
My only source of political and moral influance was my parents and peers.
I see kids now as actually more open minded I can tell you kids that know alot, 2 much at their age have very little open mindedness to been gay. It's something still been belittled by humans so young. Mocked etc
And I can tell you about kids that support and care for each other.
We.all have easy examples to back up our pointsI'll ask you so, do you think it will ever be fully accepted a person been gay, not been bullied mocked etc etc?
By who? Everyone ever? Nope you will always have asshats in the world.
Will kids continue to mock things they dont fully understand? of course they will.. thats not closedminded though that is a mind in development. Its where we as adults should be there to support and educate. Not write them all offI didn't say anything about writing them all off. I deal with alot of kids who diss gays. Coming into my care with that attitude. Where is it coming from?
Sorry what is you actual point? Do young boys mock sexuality they dont understand and havent developes the confidence and empathy yet to accept? Yes. Is that any different to other generations? NopeI'm asking where does the mocking concept come from? Why are they mocking? They should know no different from been gay str8 etc. Is it because they see it as not been the norm?
Its a learning and development tool if I remember my basic phscology, I maý be mistaken.
I dont see how this relates to the thread. Is it something new in this generation?
You OP was asking about modern kids behavior and this sounds like the same things that happened when we were kids.
In fact the word fag and homo were alot more.common then"it's no relation to the opening Idea, just something I threw in there. I personally don't think been gay will ever be fully accepted. | |||
"I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach..... Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring. Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect. This
While this truism fits, it's also important to note two massive societal shifts...emergence from borderline poverty to general affluence and of course the internet.
You can't deny that these have had a massive effect on society in a short time and there must be an effect of growing up in this new world without knowing the alternatives.
It's a bit different.
Ya the world they grow up in is hugely different I agree.
But so was the one I grew up in compared to my father.
I can only comment on what I have seen, the general behaviour and attitude of the kids I interact with are for the most part great and no different to what I remember as a kid
The degree of difference is way way less! Colour TV instead of black and white.
I can say what I see....I see a dangerous level of no, exhibitionism and fertile minds prey to some awful propaganda all in readily addictive dopamine hits.
I see massive differences in the depth and quality of conversations and too much copy cat sameness as kids all over the world copy a tiny set of key influencers.
Not sure I agree.
I had access to the internet as a teen.
Violent video games as a preteen.
My only source of political and moral influance was my parents and peers.
I see kids now as actually more open minded I can tell you kids that know alot, 2 much at their age have very little open mindedness to been gay. It's something still been belittled by humans so young. Mocked etc
And I can tell you about kids that support and care for each other.
We.all have easy examples to back up our pointsI'll ask you so, do you think it will ever be fully accepted a person been gay, not been bullied mocked etc etc?
By who? Everyone ever? Nope you will always have asshats in the world.
Will kids continue to mock things they dont fully understand? of course they will.. thats not closedminded though that is a mind in development. Its where we as adults should be there to support and educate. Not write them all offI didn't say anything about writing them all off. I deal with alot of kids who diss gays. Coming into my care with that attitude. Where is it coming from?
Sorry what is you actual point? Do young boys mock sexuality they dont understand and havent developes the confidence and empathy yet to accept? Yes. Is that any different to other generations? NopeI'm asking where does the mocking concept come from? Why are they mocking? They should know no different from been gay str8 etc. Is it because they see it as not been the norm?
Its a learning and development tool if I remember my basic phscology, I maý be mistaken.
I dont see how this relates to the thread. Is it something new in this generation?
You OP was asking about modern kids behavior and this sounds like the same things that happened when we were kids.
In fact the word fag and homo were alot more.common thenit's no relation to the opening
Idea, just something I threw in there. I personally don't think been gay will ever be fully accepted. "What is fully accepted ever? Anyway if we are done with the OP I'm outty | |||
"I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach..... Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring. Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect. This
While this truism fits, it's also important to note two massive societal shifts...emergence from borderline poverty to general affluence and of course the internet.
You can't deny that these have had a massive effect on society in a short time and there must be an effect of growing up in this new world without knowing the alternatives.
It's a bit different.
Ya the world they grow up in is hugely different I agree.
But so was the one I grew up in compared to my father.
I can only comment on what I have seen, the general behaviour and attitude of the kids I interact with are for the most part great and no different to what I remember as a kid
The degree of difference is way way less! Colour TV instead of black and white.
I can say what I see....I see a dangerous level of no, exhibitionism and fertile minds prey to some awful propaganda all in readily addictive dopamine hits.
I see massive differences in the depth and quality of conversations and too much copy cat sameness as kids all over the world copy a tiny set of key influencers.
Not sure I agree.
I had access to the internet as a teen.
Violent video games as a preteen.
My only source of political and moral influance was my parents and peers.
I see kids now as actually more open minded I can tell you kids that know alot, 2 much at their age have very little open mindedness to been gay. It's something still been belittled by humans so young. Mocked etc
And I can tell you about kids that support and care for each other.
We.all have easy examples to back up our pointsI'll ask you so, do you think it will ever be fully accepted a person been gay, not been bullied mocked etc etc?
By who? Everyone ever? Nope you will always have asshats in the world.
Will kids continue to mock things they dont fully understand? of course they will.. thats not closedminded though that is a mind in development. Its where we as adults should be there to support and educate. Not write them all offI didn't say anything about writing them all off. I deal with alot of kids who diss gays. Coming into my care with that attitude. Where is it coming from?
Sorry what is you actual point? Do young boys mock sexuality they dont understand and havent developes the confidence and empathy yet to accept? Yes. Is that any different to other generations? NopeI'm asking where does the mocking concept come from? Why are they mocking? They should know no different from been gay str8 etc. Is it because they see it as not been the norm?
Its a learning and development tool if I remember my basic phscology, I maý be mistaken.
I dont see how this relates to the thread. Is it something new in this generation?
You OP was asking about modern kids behavior and this sounds like the same things that happened when we were kids.
In fact the word fag and homo were alot more.common thenit's no relation to the opening
Idea, just something I threw in there. I personally don't think been gay will ever be fully accepted.
What is fully accepted ever?
Anyway if we are done with the OP I'm outty "been straight is. Cheerio | |||
"I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach..... Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring. Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect. This
While this truism fits, it's also important to note two massive societal shifts...emergence from borderline poverty to general affluence and of course the internet.
You can't deny that these have had a massive effect on society in a short time and there must be an effect of growing up in this new world without knowing the alternatives.
It's a bit different.
Ya the world they grow up in is hugely different I agree.
But so was the one I grew up in compared to my father.
I can only comment on what I have seen, the general behaviour and attitude of the kids I interact with are for the most part great and no different to what I remember as a kid
The degree of difference is way way less! Colour TV instead of black and white.
I can say what I see....I see a dangerous level of no, exhibitionism and fertile minds prey to some awful propaganda all in readily addictive dopamine hits.
I see massive differences in the depth and quality of conversations and too much copy cat sameness as kids all over the world copy a tiny set of key influencers.
Not sure I agree.
I had access to the internet as a teen.
Violent video games as a preteen.
My only source of political and moral influance was my parents and peers.
I see kids now as actually more open minded I can tell you kids that know alot, 2 much at their age have very little open mindedness to been gay. It's something still been belittled by humans so young. Mocked etc
And I can tell you about kids that support and care for each other.
We.all have easy examples to back up our pointsI'll ask you so, do you think it will ever be fully accepted a person been gay, not been bullied mocked etc etc?
By who? Everyone ever? Nope you will always have asshats in the world.
Will kids continue to mock things they dont fully understand? of course they will.. thats not closedminded though that is a mind in development. Its where we as adults should be there to support and educate. Not write them all offI didn't say anything about writing them all off. I deal with alot of kids who diss gays. Coming into my care with that attitude. Where is it coming from?
Sorry what is you actual point? Do young boys mock sexuality they dont understand and havent developes the confidence and empathy yet to accept? Yes. Is that any different to other generations? NopeI'm asking where does the mocking concept come from? Why are they mocking? They should know no different from been gay str8 etc. Is it because they see it as not been the norm?
Its a learning and development tool if I remember my basic phscology, I maý be mistaken.
I dont see how this relates to the thread. Is it something new in this generation?
You OP was asking about modern kids behavior and this sounds like the same things that happened when we were kids.
In fact the word fag and homo were alot more.common thenit's no relation to the opening
Idea, just something I threw in there. I personally don't think been gay will ever be fully accepted.
What is fully accepted ever?
Anyway if we are done with the OP I'm outty been straight is. Cheerio "Is it though? Check the recent threads about sexuality being a fluid spectrum... my point is someone will always have a different opinion. The earth is flat ya know
Ok deffo out this time | |||
"I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach..... Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring. Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect. This
While this truism fits, it's also important to note two massive societal shifts...emergence from borderline poverty to general affluence and of course the internet.
You can't deny that these have had a massive effect on society in a short time and there must be an effect of growing up in this new world without knowing the alternatives.
It's a bit different.
Ya the world they grow up in is hugely different I agree.
But so was the one I grew up in compared to my father.
I can only comment on what I have seen, the general behaviour and attitude of the kids I interact with are for the most part great and no different to what I remember as a kid
The degree of difference is way way less! Colour TV instead of black and white.
I can say what I see....I see a dangerous level of no, exhibitionism and fertile minds prey to some awful propaganda all in readily addictive dopamine hits.
I see massive differences in the depth and quality of conversations and too much copy cat sameness as kids all over the world copy a tiny set of key influencers.
Not sure I agree.
I had access to the internet as a teen.
Violent video games as a preteen.
My only source of political and moral influance was my parents and peers.
I see kids now as actually more open minded "The internet is a rabid beast compared to what it was then. I think you are defaulting to a very bland "safe" opinion. There are social problems emerging, only a fool would ignore the obvioys, and as we find a balance of technology working for us can us working for it...teenagers are the most vulnerable. They are also the future and I'm not sure I want the sort of bland generic safe future they may lead us to. | |||
"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. im involved with kids in more then you have a clue about. Daily work and voluntary in diff organisations and I can tell you alot of kids have a distinct lack of respect. I follow on what I said, alot roam the streets up to no good,teenagers 13 14 15, seen it with my own eyes, parents sitting at home "ah sure my Tommy is out with friends he would do no wrong". They also have access to to much 9 10 11 12 yos. It's unreal the stuff they know. Shouldn't even enter their minds at that age. I could go on. As i said a pne dimensional view..not a good way to be when dealing with teens and children. Instead of bemoaning them do something positive... be a positive adult in their life instead of one that critisises. A lot if children with social, emotional behaviour disorders lack that element in their lives. as I already said every child I deal with will be told right from wrong. Simple as that. But its not that simple is it ... others pick up those pieces. Shades of gray my dear ...it is as simple as that in coaching them right from wrong, in attitude, behaviour, pitch performance etc. What parents do at home with them, that's something I can't control Not all young people come from the same backgrounds or have had the same experiences. Not all children will respond to "coaching" or an authoritarian approach. Does this mean we give up on the "difficult" child or does this mean we as adults adjust how we deal with these children ?? As an adult in the privileged position to work or train with children your responsibility as a trained adult is to find an approch that works. Our children are not brats or bad or anything other then children. Our children are products of their environment, good and bad. If your in a position to influence be a positive one... you might be the only positive they have. This subject is not easy, its not simple, its not black and white. If a child in my coaching care is continually difficult,parents are called in. I could have lots of kids to deal with and can't focus my individual attention on them. It's funny when the question is asked about unruly children and their bad behaviour continuously, why? The answer 99.9 % of the time is parents upbringing. Not all children come from the same backgrounds .... not all children are privileged enough to be within any coaching system. Sometimes lifes not black and white.... and a child with behaviour issues cant be "fixed" that easily. Working on any level with the next generation is a privilege, your an influence on the adult they become. See the Good and they will shine, encourage dont discourage. If you can only see the negative maybe question your role behaviour issues are classed as autism, adhd etc. I'm talking about kids who are downright bold. Do you know what that word means? It has fuck all to do with a condition. One thing I will say is more and more kids are also been brought up by one parent. Would that have an effect? To say that is really a poor statment. Im aghast at your generalisations, its unfair and untrue. As someone that works with children investigate sensory disorders and behaviour disorders. Bold ... of course theres "bold" children .... your the adult, you've had training... dont be bold back. Using "fuck" to get your point across is very bold...poor choice. Do single parent families have "an effect".... much like all otber families some negitive some positive ...it depends on circumstances I work with children every day in a coaching capacity. My job is to coach and having them behaving respectfully in mine and other coaches care. That's it in a nutshell. Any unruly behaviour. I don't deal with it. Parents are brought in. Hopefully you never have SN kids in your care. Life's never as black and white as that and when working with children you dont give up on them, even the "difficult" ones. And thats that in a nutshell. you havnt a clue about coaching children in a specific sport so don't talk about something you know nothing about. I have 2 SN kids in one of my groups, not an ounce of bother. As I said my job is to coach kids in a specific sport. Make it fun for them and learn them the skills of the specific sport along with other coaches. Also as I said continued bold unruly behaviour and parents are brought in. That's not my job, coaching is. To be blunt ( but not rude) you dont know what i do or dont know but what i do know is your coming across very negitive towards a group your supposed to be invested in on a professional basis and tbh an inability to deal with other view points. Like i said at the start, lifes not black and white and authoritarian approaches dont always work. If your not prepared as an adult to adjust how you deal with children presenting with behaviour problems you risk losing them to the antisocial behaviour your bemoaning at the start. My viewpoint is as adults we adjust our approach to keep all children involved. you don't know what it's like in a coaching capacity. You're there to train kids in a chosen sport. I coach in an array of sports. My job is to coach and improve the skill sets of children. We do fun stuff at start of every activity. If children at the session decide to disrupt it and behave unruly they are spoken to and told why. If the behaviour escalates/ gets worse, session to session mammy and daddy are brought in for a little chat so I'll say what I already said. I'm there to coach, that's my job. I trained to coach children, my attitude and philosophy is very different. Like i said earlier one of the most important skills when working with other humans is having the ability to listen and understand. Making presumptions is a foolish endeavour trained to coach children in? Listen and understand? I consider that a skill you cant learn.When coaching a specific sport we follow the idea principle. Introduce demonstrate explain and advise. Players are mostly listening learning and understanding. If a player doesn't, he speaks to a coach who listens and understands and explains it to them. Im glad you understand the theory of your job. not rocket science when you have courses completed in it." Oh dear .... no theory is simple so long as everyone fits in your box. | |||
" The internet is a rabid beast compared to what it was then. " Eh?? I've been on the Net since the early 90s... it was pretty rabid then... only much slower and text-only. Ever been on UseNet? IRC? Some pretty horrible things resided there before you discovered Tumblr. | |||
"I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach..... Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring. Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect. This
While this truism fits, it's also important to note two massive societal shifts...emergence from borderline poverty to general affluence and of course the internet.
You can't deny that these have had a massive effect on society in a short time and there must be an effect of growing up in this new world without knowing the alternatives.
It's a bit different.
Ya the world they grow up in is hugely different I agree.
But so was the one I grew up in compared to my father.
I can only comment on what I have seen, the general behaviour and attitude of the kids I interact with are for the most part great and no different to what I remember as a kid
The degree of difference is way way less! Colour TV instead of black and white.
I can say what I see....I see a dangerous level of no, exhibitionism and fertile minds prey to some awful propaganda all in readily addictive dopamine hits.
I see massive differences in the depth and quality of conversations and too much copy cat sameness as kids all over the world copy a tiny set of key influencers.
Not sure I agree.
I had access to the internet as a teen.
Violent video games as a preteen.
My only source of political and moral influance was my parents and peers.
I see kids now as actually more open minded
The internet is a rabid beast compared to what it was then.
I think you are defaulting to a very bland "safe" opinion. There are social problems emerging, only a fool would ignore the obvioys, and as we find a balance of technology working for us can us working for it...teenagers are the most vulnerable.
They are also the future and I'm not sure I want the sort of bland generic safe future they may lead us to. "Again the internet I had was a rabit beast compared to what came before it Can you elaborate on a bland safe future, not sure what you.mean? Is it the same bland safeness of my opinion, or a different bland safeness? | |||
" The internet is a rabid beast compared to what it was then. Eh?? I've been on the Net since the early 90s... it was pretty rabid then... only much slower and text-only. Ever been on UseNet? IRC? Some pretty horrible things resided there before you discovered Tumblr." I'm not talking about dodgy content....but the nature of the beast. Apps designed to be highly addictive Cyberbullying Ideological echo chambers Big data manipulation of voters Erosion of privacy Global trends All completely different and a much higher percentage of people's lives are online and lived online. | |||
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"I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach..... Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring. Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect. This
While this truism fits, it's also important to note two massive societal shifts...emergence from borderline poverty to general affluence and of course the internet.
You can't deny that these have had a massive effect on society in a short time and there must be an effect of growing up in this new world without knowing the alternatives.
It's a bit different.
Ya the world they grow up in is hugely different I agree.
But so was the one I grew up in compared to my father.
I can only comment on what I have seen, the general behaviour and attitude of the kids I interact with are for the most part great and no different to what I remember as a kid
The degree of difference is way way less! Colour TV instead of black and white.
I can say what I see....I see a dangerous level of no, exhibitionism and fertile minds prey to some awful propaganda all in readily addictive dopamine hits.
I see massive differences in the depth and quality of conversations and too much copy cat sameness as kids all over the world copy a tiny set of key influencers.
Not sure I agree.
I had access to the internet as a teen.
Violent video games as a preteen.
My only source of political and moral influance was my parents and peers.
I see kids now as actually more open minded
The internet is a rabid beast compared to what it was then.
I think you are defaulting to a very bland "safe" opinion. There are social problems emerging, only a fool would ignore the obvioys, and as we find a balance of technology working for us can us working for it...teenagers are the most vulnerable.
They are also the future and I'm not sure I want the sort of bland generic safe future they may lead us to.
Again the internet I had was a rabit beast compared to what came before it
Can you elaborate on a bland safe future, not sure what you.mean?
Is it the same bland safeness of my opinion, or a different bland safeness?"Different strains of the same blandness.
The safe option is the easiest in any form of public discourse, say the wrong thing and you're exposed to viral hatred and might even lose your job.
Fashion, music ..even political opinions are all following globalised trends.
Same same same blandness is coming
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"This has been an eye opener. So much hard work has been done by specialists to encourage diversity and acceptance, tonight proves theres still alot to be done. Kids will be kids good kids will be "bold" ( OPs phrase) Kid's will make poor choices thats life. Maybe with age, maturity and experience our OP will realise the majority of young people are good honest and open minded. We as adults if we choose to pay attention could learn alot.... or we can quote theory from a book. " What does this have to do with diversity and acceptance? There seems to be this desire to "work" and "educate" everyone into agreeing with you. | |||
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"This has been an eye opener. So much hard work has been done by specialists to encourage diversity and acceptance, tonight proves theres still alot to be done. Kids will be kids good kids will be "bold" ( OPs phrase) Kid's will make poor choices thats life. Maybe with age, maturity and experience our OP will realise the majority of young people are good honest and open minded. We as adults if we choose to pay attention could learn alot.... or we can quote theory from a book. What does this have to do with diversity and acceptance? There seems to be this desire to "work" and "educate" everyone into agreeing with you. " No not at all. Have i said that ??? | |||
"This has been an eye opener. So much hard work has been done by specialists to encourage diversity and acceptance, tonight proves theres still alot to be done. Kids will be kids good kids will be "bold" ( OPs phrase) Kid's will make poor choices thats life. Maybe with age, maturity and experience our OP will realise the majority of young people are good honest and open minded. We as adults if we choose to pay attention could learn alot.... or we can quote theory from a book. What does this have to do with diversity and acceptance? There seems to be this desire to "work" and "educate" everyone into agreeing with you. No not at all. Have i said that ??? " It's the logical extension of your first sentence. I don't see anything dontbesilly said as being in any way bad - he has his opinion and you should agree to differ. | |||
"This has been an eye opener. So much hard work has been done by specialists to encourage diversity and acceptance, tonight proves theres still alot to be done. Kids will be kids good kids will be "bold" ( OPs phrase) Kid's will make poor choices thats life. Maybe with age, maturity and experience our OP will realise the majority of young people are good honest and open minded. We as adults if we choose to pay attention could learn alot.... or we can quote theory from a book. What does this have to do with diversity and acceptance? There seems to be this desire to "work" and "educate" everyone into agreeing with you. No not at all. Have i said that ??? It's the logical extension of your first sentence. I don't see anything dontbesilly said as being in any way bad - he has his opinion and you should agree to differ. " I dont view hus opinions as bad and nor did i say i did. What i have said was that while so much work has gone on to encourage inclusion and diversity of all children theres still so much more to be done. Could a child with a behaviour disorder be part of this coaching group. .realistically no they couldn't. Plus if you read back carefully a there was also a incorrect statments made reguarding children with ASD and children with behaviour disorders. | |||
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"I deal with kids alot through my work and as a coach..... Its over blown the vast majority of kids I encounter are polite, kind and caring. Every generation thinks tge next is spoilt and losing respect. This
While this truism fits, it's also important to note two massive societal shifts...emergence from borderline poverty to general affluence and of course the internet.
You can't deny that these have had a massive effect on society in a short time and there must be an effect of growing up in this new world without knowing the alternatives.
It's a bit different.
Ya the world they grow up in is hugely different I agree.
But so was the one I grew up in compared to my father.
I can only comment on what I have seen, the general behaviour and attitude of the kids I interact with are for the most part great and no different to what I remember as a kid
The degree of difference is way way less! Colour TV instead of black and white.
I can say what I see....I see a dangerous level of no, exhibitionism and fertile minds prey to some awful propaganda all in readily addictive dopamine hits.
I see massive differences in the depth and quality of conversations and too much copy cat sameness as kids all over the world copy a tiny set of key influencers.
Not sure I agree.
I had access to the internet as a teen.
Violent video games as a preteen.
My only source of political and moral influance was my parents and peers.
I see kids now as actually more open minded
The internet is a rabid beast compared to what it was then.
I think you are defaulting to a very bland "safe" opinion. There are social problems emerging, only a fool would ignore the obvioys, and as we find a balance of technology working for us can us working for it...teenagers are the most vulnerable.
They are also the future and I'm not sure I want the sort of bland generic safe future they may lead us to.
Again the internet I had was a rabit beast compared to what came before it
Can you elaborate on a bland safe future, not sure what you.mean?
Is it the same bland safeness of my opinion, or a different bland safeness?
Different strains of the same blandness.
The safe option is the easiest in any form of public discourse, say the wrong thing and you're exposed to viral hatred and might even lose your job.
Fashion, music ..even political opinions are all following globalised trends.
Same same same blandness is coming
"Right so just because I disagree with you doesnt make mine the safe option. Maybe you are just being a tad dramatic as another way of looking at it
Really though I dont see this same same bland future you do.
Fasion and music always followed trends they were just slower to spread. Political opinion is the same and if anything there are more people with extreme views now than ever | |||
"The bottom line of the thread Is that I have seen loads of stuff lately about the behaviour of alot of kids/youth in today's society from lack of respect, to having too much and knowing more then they should at that age which comes from what they have access to. I coach in an array of sports, dealing with children daily. This is roughly 9-12 yoa bracket. I also on a regular basis see the carry on of youths teens 13-15,16 on the streets. I have seen some destroy cars on streets, pelt houses. I have seen incidents where their parents are told and the answer "You're wrong my Jimmy wouldn't do anything". There is an element in today's parents that they see no wrong in their children. They wouldn't do anything bad. Alot of children are great but also alot of parents havnt a clue how to parent. There is a case to this thread that all children (from the ages I stated) are good. I looked up behaviour issues and ADHD is one of them but that's a condition (I coach a child with it) and not what I'm talking about at all. Yes, you don't know the home life of a child but that's not a reason to put up with excessive bad behaviour when I'm trying to coach a sport. My job is to coach, not to parent plus I no the home life of 90 % of the children I coach, respectable mother and father, working jobs, roof over their heads, kids have everything, they lack for nothing. As coaches we do everything to make children welcome, allow them have fun, organise parties, presentations trips away etc but the bottom line is you're there to coach the skills of that sport. Some learn quickly, some slower but the bottom line as any coach I have dealt with will tell you, is behaviour. I try instil that good behaviour but as a coach can only do and say so much. In todays society you have to be so carefull. The rest is mammy and daddies job as parents. " There is so much in this statement that would make a child psychologist bang their head agaisnt a wall. First off if the amount of interaction you have with children makes you no more qualified to comment on the reasons behind their behaviour than my cup of coffee. Secondly, you are right. You have no idea what challenges children and their parents face at home. I don't think you intend to come accros in this manner but you just seem completely clueless as to the causes of behavioural issues and how they are classified and dealt with. I do think Your heart is in the right place but you are a point in case as to why we have tried for years to get football clubs and anyone involved with youth projects to have basic training for children with various issues such as those you describe. I also don't think those calling you an arsehole have anyplace in the conversation. You might not have the skills to deal with your current problems with the children but that is clearly down to a lack of and not hatred of those kids | |||
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"Jesus, this took in a lot of viewpoints and name calling....as the "rover" referred to, its not a definite science. kids can be good and can be bad. Some kids take responsibility for their actions, some parents take responsibility for their kids.... Opinions are opinions though no matter who has them. When I was a kid, if I did something I was put in the car and brought to be held responsible and apologise for my actions, being taught not to do it again... I was taught basic good manners, to say please and thank you.... I know this could explode the debate again, but it's just my opinion.. doesn't make me a prick or asshole.... Lots of other characteristics make me one of those "Is admitting your a prick and an asshole as an adult not suggesting that being held responsible for your actions as a child made no difference | |||
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" The internet is a rabid beast compared to what it was then. Eh?? I've been on the Net since the early 90s... it was pretty rabid then... only much slower and text-only. Ever been on UseNet? IRC? Some pretty horrible things resided there before you discovered Tumblr. I'm not talking about dodgy content....but the nature of the beast. Apps designed to be highly addictive Cyberbullying Ideological echo chambers Big data manipulation of voters Erosion of privacy Global trends All completely different and a much higher percentage of people's lives are online and lived online. " Ah. Now you're on much firmer ground here. More users = more nastiness. Yes, I agree. But what's the alternative, going back to pen and paper? I'm much happier with teleworking, arranging appointments by mail or on websites, teleconferencing, getting medical results online and ordering groceries, home wares, services, etc.. than doing everything by snail mail or in person. Yes, I think the convenience of the Internet also highlights some rather unfortunate behaviour by both adults and children but human nature is essentially, unchanged... only more accessible. | |||
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"Ive read through this... over indulgent parents, spoilt kids, inability to tell right from wrong. Negitive veiws from negitive adults. OP you have some claim you deal with kids??? I doubt it because if you did your attitude would be different towards them. Like adults young people and children come in all shapes and forms. Shall we tar all adults as judgmental and uninformed??? No that would be foolish. Sometimes OP to know the true heart of a community you need to look at all aspects.... sure theres kids having tantrums and demanding... as they have for generations.... theres teens smoking and been idiots ..as they've done for generations. Theres also kids just been kids, doing as they should be. Theres kids looking after others, caring. There's kids dealing with crap you cant imagine. Theres the child adults dismiss as trouble .. judging, criticising, making broad sweeping statments about.... scratch beneth the surface theres more to that story. OP im disappointed with your attitude and your failure to see the bigger picture. What i wont do is decide that all young men of your age are the same. OP i suggest you get out there and volunteer... GAA, Foroige, youth clubs, afterschool, special Olympics. Visit all types of group's from different social and economic bavkgrounds. Educate yourself and you'll find yourself less cynical and more in touch. You'll also find hope, joy and fun .. innocence in the darkest corners. " He is talkin bollox, sounds like someone who gets jealous every xmas because he didnt get spoilt at xmas. | |||
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"I think this is a great thread BTW, OP... something we can all sink our teeth into. I like the fact that people feel rather passionate about this and although I disagree with some views, I still prefer hearing them than shutting them down. Good on ya." exactly..... Well said | |||
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"The bottom line of the thread Is that I have seen loads of stuff lately about the behaviour of alot of kids/youth in today's society from lack of respect, to having too much and knowing more then they should at that age which comes from what they have access to. I coach in an array of sports, dealing with children daily. This is roughly 9-12 yoa bracket. I also on a regular basis see the carry on of youths teens 13-15,16 on the streets. I have seen some destroy cars on streets, pelt houses. I have seen incidents where their parents are told and the answer "You're wrong my Jimmy wouldn't do anything". There is an element in today's parents that they see no wrong in their children. They wouldn't do anything bad. Alot of children are great but also alot of parents havnt a clue how to parent. There is a case to this thread that all children (from the ages I stated) are good. I looked up behaviour issues and ADHD is one of them but that's a condition (I coach a child with it) and not what I'm talking about at all. Yes, you don't know the home life of a child but that's not a reason to put up with excessive bad behaviour when I'm trying to coach a sport. My job is to coach, not to parent plus I no the home life of 90 % of the children I coach, respectable mother and father, working jobs, roof over their heads, kids have everything, they lack for nothing. As coaches we do everything to make children welcome, allow them have fun, organise parties, presentations trips away etc but the bottom line is you're there to coach the skills of that sport. Some learn quickly, some slower but the bottom line as any coach I have dealt with will tell you, is behaviour. I try instil that good behaviour but as a coach can only do and say so much. In todays society you have to be so carefull. The rest is mammy and daddies job as parents. " I think what you're trying to say is that now that children are no longer "a protected class", that some of the older children take advantage of this fact because they know this. I suppose there's a grain of truth in what you're saying. When children weren't protected, and there was more deference attributed to members of the clergy or to teachers, then yes, there was more abuse and less public bad behaviour - although the stories my husband has told me about rugby schools is really just echoes of a lads culture that has never really gone away. Witness the nastiness in the Paddy Jackson/Stuart Holding trial this year and the online reactions of ordinary sports fans and you'll weep for humanity. But I still maintain that human nature is unchanging and all the media has done (and by media, I also include the Net) is highlight what has always existed. | |||
"Kids are no worse or no better then when you and i were kids in the stoneage. They are just that kid's... they mess up, make mistakes, learn. Thank god they do cause then they in the majority grow up knowing right from wrong. Down of that cloud and start looking at the Good ... theres a fecking lot of it. Its mostly adults that act like pricks and display bad manners. Any given day on here its evident. " His is so true. Only difference is now a day's things can be recorded so easily and shared. | |||
"Kids are no worse or no better then when you and i were kids in the stoneage. They are just that kid's... they mess up, make mistakes, learn. Thank god they do cause then they in the majority grow up knowing right from wrong. Down of that cloud and start looking at the Good ... theres a fecking lot of it. Its mostly adults that act like pricks and display bad manners. Any given day on here its evident. His is so true. Only difference is now a day's things can be recorded so easily and shared." Too easily | |||
"The bottom line of the thread Is that I have seen loads of stuff lately about the behaviour of alot of kids/youth in today's society from lack of respect, to having too much and knowing more then they should at that age which comes from what they have access to. I coach in an array of sports, dealing with children daily. This is roughly 9-12 yoa bracket. I also on a regular basis see the carry on of youths teens 13-15,16 on the streets. I have seen some destroy cars on streets, pelt houses. I have seen incidents where their parents are told and the answer "You're wrong my Jimmy wouldn't do anything". There is an element in today's parents that they see no wrong in their children. They wouldn't do anything bad. Alot of children are great but also alot of parents havnt a clue how to parent. There is a case to this thread that all children (from the ages I stated) are good. I looked up behaviour issues and ADHD is one of them but that's a condition (I coach a child with it) and not what I'm talking about at all. Yes, you don't know the home life of a child but that's not a reason to put up with excessive bad behaviour when I'm trying to coach a sport. My job is to coach, not to parent plus I no the home life of 90 % of the children I coach, respectable mother and father, working jobs, roof over their heads, kids have everything, they lack for nothing. As coaches we do everything to make children welcome, allow them have fun, organise parties, presentations trips away etc but the bottom line is you're there to coach the skills of that sport. Some learn quickly, some slower but the bottom line as any coach I have dealt with will tell you, is behaviour. I try instil that good behaviour but as a coach can only do and say so much. In todays society you have to be so carefull. The rest is mammy and daddies job as parents. There is so much in this statement that would make a child psychologist bang their head agaisnt a wall. First off if the amount of interaction you have with children makes you no more qualified to comment on the reasons behind their behaviour than my cup of coffee. Secondly, you are right. You have no idea what challenges children and their parents face at home. I don't think you intend to come accros in this manner but you just seem completely clueless as to the causes of behavioural issues and how they are classified and dealt with. I do think Your heart is in the right place but you are a point in case as to why we have tried for years to get football clubs and anyone involved with youth projects to have basic training for children with various issues such as those you describe. I also don't think those calling you an arsehole have anyplace in the conversation. You might not have the skills to deal with your current problems with the children but that is clearly down to a lack of and not hatred of those kids" you keep boubcing back to the same thing, behavioural issues. So it's ok for youths to do what I said in my post. It's ok for kids to have unruly behaviour because they could have "behavioural issues"? As I said it's how you deal with kids/ youth been unruly Is the answer and I also 100 % stand by the accusation some parents don't discipline their child properly and some couldn't give a fuck what they're up to out on the street | |||
"The bottom line of the thread Is that I have seen loads of stuff lately about the behaviour of alot of kids/youth in today's society from lack of respect, to having too much and knowing more then they should at that age which comes from what they have access to. I coach in an array of sports, dealing with children daily. This is roughly 9-12 yoa bracket. I also on a regular basis see the carry on of youths teens 13-15,16 on the streets. I have seen some destroy cars on streets, pelt houses. I have seen incidents where their parents are told and the answer "You're wrong my Jimmy wouldn't do anything". There is an element in today's parents that they see no wrong in their children. They wouldn't do anything bad. Alot of children are great but also alot of parents havnt a clue how to parent. There is a case to this thread that all children (from the ages I stated) are good. I looked up behaviour issues and ADHD is one of them but that's a condition (I coach a child with it) and not what I'm talking about at all. Yes, you don't know the home life of a child but that's not a reason to put up with excessive bad behaviour when I'm trying to coach a sport. My job is to coach, not to parent plus I no the home life of 90 % of the children I coach, respectable mother and father, working jobs, roof over their heads, kids have everything, they lack for nothing. As coaches we do everything to make children welcome, allow them have fun, organise parties, presentations trips away etc but the bottom line is you're there to coach the skills of that sport. Some learn quickly, some slower but the bottom line as any coach I have dealt with will tell you, is behaviour. I try instil that good behaviour but as a coach can only do and say so much. In todays society you have to be so carefull. The rest is mammy and daddies job as parents. There is so much in this statement that would make a child psychologist bang their head agaisnt a wall. First off if the amount of interaction you have with children makes you no more qualified to comment on the reasons behind their behaviour than my cup of coffee. Secondly, you are right. You have no idea what challenges children and their parents face at home. I don't think you intend to come accros in this manner but you just seem completely clueless as to the causes of behavioural issues and how they are classified and dealt with. I do think Your heart is in the right place but you are a point in case as to why we have tried for years to get football clubs and anyone involved with youth projects to have basic training for children with various issues such as those you describe. I also don't think those calling you an arsehole have anyplace in the conversation. You might not have the skills to deal with your current problems with the children but that is clearly down to a lack of and not hatred of those kids" plus I'm not a behavioural therapist or a child physcholgist, im a coach. You don't need qualifications in any of those 2 things to be a coach. | |||
"The bottom line of the thread Is that I have seen loads of stuff lately about the behaviour of alot of kids/youth in today's society from lack of respect, to having too much and knowing more then they should at that age which comes from what they have access to. I coach in an array of sports, dealing with children daily. This is roughly 9-12 yoa bracket. I also on a regular basis see the carry on of youths teens 13-15,16 on the streets. I have seen some destroy cars on streets, pelt houses. I have seen incidents where their parents are told and the answer "You're wrong my Jimmy wouldn't do anything". There is an element in today's parents that they see no wrong in their children. They wouldn't do anything bad. Alot of children are great but also alot of parents havnt a clue how to parent. There is a case to this thread that all children (from the ages I stated) are good. I looked up behaviour issues and ADHD is one of them but that's a condition (I coach a child with it) and not what I'm talking about at all. Yes, you don't know the home life of a child but that's not a reason to put up with excessive bad behaviour when I'm trying to coach a sport. My job is to coach, not to parent plus I no the home life of 90 % of the children I coach, respectable mother and father, working jobs, roof over their heads, kids have everything, they lack for nothing. As coaches we do everything to make children welcome, allow them have fun, organise parties, presentations trips away etc but the bottom line is you're there to coach the skills of that sport. Some learn quickly, some slower but the bottom line as any coach I have dealt with will tell you, is behaviour. I try instil that good behaviour but as a coach can only do and say so much. In todays society you have to be so carefull. The rest is mammy and daddies job as parents. There is so much in this statement that would make a child psychologist bang their head agaisnt a wall. First off if the amount of interaction you have with children makes you no more qualified to comment on the reasons behind their behaviour than my cup of coffee. Secondly, you are right. You have no idea what challenges children and their parents face at home. I don't think you intend to come accros in this manner but you just seem completely clueless as to the causes of behavioural issues and how they are classified and dealt with. I do think Your heart is in the right place but you are a point in case as to why we have tried for years to get football clubs and anyone involved with youth projects to have basic training for children with various issues such as those you describe. I also don't think those calling you an arsehole have anyplace in the conversation. You might not have the skills to deal with your current problems with the children but that is clearly down to a lack of and not hatred of those kidsplus I'm not a behavioural therapist or a child physcholgist, im a coach. You don't need qualifications in any of those 2 things to be a coach. " Yet you feel qualified enough to judge these children and their parents from what you see from the sideline. I'm banging my head agaisnt a brick wall here | |||
"The bottom line of the thread Is that I have seen loads of stuff lately about the behaviour of alot of kids/youth in today's society from lack of respect, to having too much and knowing more then they should at that age which comes from what they have access to. I coach in an array of sports, dealing with children daily. This is roughly 9-12 yoa bracket. I also on a regular basis see the carry on of youths teens 13-15,16 on the streets. I have seen some destroy cars on streets, pelt houses. I have seen incidents where their parents are told and the answer "You're wrong my Jimmy wouldn't do anything". There is an element in today's parents that they see no wrong in their children. They wouldn't do anything bad. Alot of children are great but also alot of parents havnt a clue how to parent. There is a case to this thread that all children (from the ages I stated) are good. I looked up behaviour issues and ADHD is one of them but that's a condition (I coach a child with it) and not what I'm talking about at all. Yes, you don't know the home life of a child but that's not a reason to put up with excessive bad behaviour when I'm trying to coach a sport. My job is to coach, not to parent plus I no the home life of 90 % of the children I coach, respectable mother and father, working jobs, roof over their heads, kids have everything, they lack for nothing. As coaches we do everything to make children welcome, allow them have fun, organise parties, presentations trips away etc but the bottom line is you're there to coach the skills of that sport. Some learn quickly, some slower but the bottom line as any coach I have dealt with will tell you, is behaviour. I try instil that good behaviour but as a coach can only do and say so much. In todays society you have to be so carefull. The rest is mammy and daddies job as parents. There is so much in this statement that would make a child psychologist bang their head agaisnt a wall. First off if the amount of interaction you have with children makes you no more qualified to comment on the reasons behind their behaviour than my cup of coffee. Secondly, you are right. You have no idea what challenges children and their parents face at home. I don't think you intend to come accros in this manner but you just seem completely clueless as to the causes of behavioural issues and how they are classified and dealt with. I do think Your heart is in the right place but you are a point in case as to why we have tried for years to get football clubs and anyone involved with youth projects to have basic training for children with various issues such as those you describe. I also don't think those calling you an arsehole have anyplace in the conversation. You might not have the skills to deal with your current problems with the children but that is clearly down to a lack of and not hatred of those kidsplus I'm not a behavioural therapist or a child physcholgist, im a coach. You don't need qualifications in any of those 2 things to be a coach. Yet you feel qualified enough to judge these children and their parents from what you see from the sideline. I'm banging my head agaisnt a brick wall here "judge? Lol I comment on some of the unruly behaviour of youths. Read my post up above. I also comment on the continued unruly behaviour of some kids which I witness on a daily basis. Are you trying to make excuses for all? Ah sure that's what they do, they'll grow out of it. | |||
"The bottom line of the thread Is that I have seen loads of stuff lately about the behaviour of alot of kids/youth in today's society from lack of respect, to having too much and knowing more then they should at that age which comes from what they have access to. I coach in an array of sports, dealing with children daily. This is roughly 9-12 yoa bracket. I also on a regular basis see the carry on of youths teens 13-15,16 on the streets. I have seen some destroy cars on streets, pelt houses. I have seen incidents where their parents are told and the answer "You're wrong my Jimmy wouldn't do anything". There is an element in today's parents that they see no wrong in their children. They wouldn't do anything bad. Alot of children are great but also alot of parents havnt a clue how to parent. There is a case to this thread that all children (from the ages I stated) are good. I looked up behaviour issues and ADHD is one of them but that's a condition (I coach a child with it) and not what I'm talking about at all. Yes, you don't know the home life of a child but that's not a reason to put up with excessive bad behaviour when I'm trying to coach a sport. My job is to coach, not to parent plus I no the home life of 90 % of the children I coach, respectable mother and father, working jobs, roof over their heads, kids have everything, they lack for nothing. As coaches we do everything to make children welcome, allow them have fun, organise parties, presentations trips away etc but the bottom line is you're there to coach the skills of that sport. Some learn quickly, some slower but the bottom line as any coach I have dealt with will tell you, is behaviour. I try instil that good behaviour but as a coach can only do and say so much. In todays society you have to be so carefull. The rest is mammy and daddies job as parents. There is so much in this statement that would make a child psychologist bang their head agaisnt a wall. First off if the amount of interaction you have with children makes you no more qualified to comment on the reasons behind their behaviour than my cup of coffee. Secondly, you are right. You have no idea what challenges children and their parents face at home. I don't think you intend to come accros in this manner but you just seem completely clueless as to the causes of behavioural issues and how they are classified and dealt with. I do think Your heart is in the right place but you are a point in case as to why we have tried for years to get football clubs and anyone involved with youth projects to have basic training for children with various issues such as those you describe. I also don't think those calling you an arsehole have anyplace in the conversation. You might not have the skills to deal with your current problems with the children but that is clearly down to a lack of and not hatred of those kidsplus I'm not a behavioural therapist or a child physcholgist, im a coach. You don't need qualifications in any of those 2 things to be a coach. Yet you feel qualified enough to judge these children and their parents from what you see from the sideline. I'm banging my head agaisnt a brick wall here "not what I see from the sideline. It's what I encounter on a daily basis and what I often see. | |||
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" Political opinion is the same and if anything there are more people with extreme views now than ever" That's my point! Mixed with teenage angst and idealism they are easy targets. | |||
"Join a coaches group who are over GAA teans for eg and see what they do when there is continued unruly behaviour in a group. You don't have to join, I'll tell you what they do. Parents are called in." I've seen just as bad behaviour from coaches so it's not really a great example. When coaches and parents fail people in my profession are called in to give advice and guidance. Most parents simply do not have the skills to deal with challenging kids and less are willing to learn those skills. To blame the age we live in is a cop out, deal with it because society is something we cannot change. You can however change a child's behavioural leanings if you give them a chance. Again coaches are not there to parent, they are also not there to judge. If the parents of your team knew your attitude you would be out of a managerial position in the morning | |||
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"I dont think kids are much worse then when I was a teen. You are always goin to get the bad element and yes a lot of that stems from sub standard parents but that’s always been around. Kids are definitely more accepting now of each other maybe not so much in the smaller rural towns and villages though but small minds are everywhere and always will be" I do a bit of schools coaching and there is some diff in behaviour of kids in country schools then towns/cities. | |||
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"I had a chat with someone who was going off bout children and attitudes and parents should do this and that....what grides my teeth is this person has no children. When you have your child your not given it with instructions patents can only do there Best and we hope our kids do right in life " thats fine but the opposite also applies and only somebody naieve will say Otherwise. Some youths fuck acting about on the streets, their parents couldn't give a fuck where they are or what they're upto. Saw a group of 12 yos around town 2 weeks ago at 11.45 at night. Not a parent in site, children knocking stones at car windows. There the parents I'm on about. | |||
"The bottom line of the thread Is that I have seen loads of stuff lately about the behaviour of alot of kids/youth in today's society from lack of respect, to having too much and knowing more then they should at that age which comes from what they have access to. I coach in an array of sports, dealing with children daily. This is roughly 9-12 yoa bracket. I also on a regular basis see the carry on of youths teens 13-15,16 on the streets. I have seen some destroy cars on streets, pelt houses. I have seen incidents where their parents are told and the answer "You're wrong my Jimmy wouldn't do anything". There is an element in today's parents that they see no wrong in their children. They wouldn't do anything bad. Alot of children are great but also alot of parents havnt a clue how to parent. There is a case to this thread that all children (from the ages I stated) are good. I looked up behaviour issues and ADHD is one of them but that's a condition (I coach a child with it) and not what I'm talking about at all. Yes, you don't know the home life of a child but that's not a reason to put up with excessive bad behaviour when I'm trying to coach a sport. My job is to coach, not to parent plus I no the home life of 90 % of the children I coach, respectable mother and father, working jobs, roof over their heads, kids have everything, they lack for nothing. As coaches we do everything to make children welcome, allow them have fun, organise parties, presentations trips away etc but the bottom line is you're there to coach the skills of that sport. Some learn quickly, some slower but the bottom line as any coach I have dealt with will tell you, is behaviour. I try instil that good behaviour but as a coach can only do and say so much. In todays society you have to be so carefull. The rest is mammy and daddies job as parents. There is so much in this statement that would make a child psychologist bang their head agaisnt a wall. First off if the amount of interaction you have with children makes you no more qualified to comment on the reasons behind their behaviour than my cup of coffee. Secondly, you are right. You have no idea what challenges children and their parents face at home. I don't think you intend to come accros in this manner but you just seem completely clueless as to the causes of behavioural issues and how they are classified and dealt with. I do think Your heart is in the right place but you are a point in case as to why we have tried for years to get football clubs and anyone involved with youth projects to have basic training for children with various issues such as those you describe. I also don't think those calling you an arsehole have anyplace in the conversation. You might not have the skills to deal with your current problems with the children but that is clearly down to a lack of and not hatred of those kidsplus I'm not a behavioural therapist or a child physcholgist, im a coach. You don't need qualifications in any of those 2 things to be a coach. Yet you feel qualified enough to judge these children and their parents from what you see from the sideline. I'm banging my head agaisnt a brick wall here "Touchee  | |||
"I see this been discussed a bit lately that the attitude of alot of kids in this day and age is atrocious, no respect, no discipline. Where has it all gone wrong? Discuss... Stress free parenting and lack of discipline. Spoilt rotten little bas###ds running around unattended by parents chasing money and diagnosed mistaken with ADHD. Oh and one more lately very trendy syndrome in relaxed youth called "anxiety"... ffs
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"I had a chat with someone who was going off bout children and attitudes and parents should do this and that....what grides my teeth is this person has no children. When you have your child your not given it with instructions patents can only do there Best and we hope our kids do right in life thats fine but the opposite also applies and only somebody naieve will say Otherwise. Some youths fuck acting about on the streets, their parents couldn't give a fuck where they are or what they're upto. Saw a group of 12 yos around town 2 weeks ago at 11.45 at night. Not a parent in site, children knocking stones at car windows. There the parents I'm on about. " Maybe the parents dont know there ouf on street because thats what happened my youngest out of 3 lads i have he was the wildest . Parents asleep in bed son gets out and gaurd knocks at my door . No idea he was out so unless u chain them to bed its v easy for them.to get out . Lucky enuf he has since griwn up alot and now not a bother. | |||
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"Dont agree with a lot posted here....kids these days are great....forced to grow up in the online world with all that entails (cyber bullying, no innocence due to proliferation of porn, santa myth busted by Google, Instagram generation so massive peer pressure, pedophiles everywhere from scouts to church). Give em a break.....they are doing their best in an ever changing world with a lot of more difficult challenges than us older folk had." that's the problem, what they're exposed to. There is a heightened attribute to suicide with alot saying it stems from alot of stuff kids see on social media sites like fb etc but what's unreal on this thread is me highlighting what alot of youths are up to and the bad behaviour (that's what the thread is about) and it's like some posters attitude is making up excuses for them. They're is no excuses for kids roaming the street late at night vandalizing property and hitting stones footballs and eggs off old people homes. Inexcusable. I heard one woman even say lately it's because youngsters havnt enough to do in small towns. | |||
"Join a coaches group who are over GAA teans for eg and see what they do when there is continued unruly behaviour in a group. You don't have to join, I'll tell you what they do. Parents are called in. I've seen just as bad behaviour from coaches so it's not really a great example. When coaches and parents fail people in my profession are called in to give advice and guidance. Most parents simply do not have the skills to deal with challenging kids and less are willing to learn those skills. To blame the age we live in is a cop out, deal with it because society is something we cannot change. You can however change a child's behavioural leanings if you give them a chance. Again coaches are not there to parent, they are also not there to judge. If the parents of your team knew your attitude you would be out of a managerial position in the morning " parents know my attitude. If there child is v Continuously behaving unruly and there is no change the parents are brought in. Simple as that. As you said I'm there to coach not to parent. If a set group of kids are continousy unruly, you can't coach properly so something has to be done. No offence but your line of work is nothing to do with me. | |||
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"Ill tell you what DBS for a fella with no degree in child physiology your very quick to decide what your saying is right and your way of handling it is right. For this to be an intelligent informative debate you make your point and maybe listen to some other points of veiw.... maybe those people are A. Better quailified B. More experienced When we listen we learn.... people with more specific qualifications then you will always emphasise the importance of listening..its then you discover. Tbh based on how you've conducted yourself here id be very weary of sending my child to you. Your attitude when questioned is poor. Your use of profanity unnessesary, your belief that your opinion is the only opinion and your way of dealing with a disruptive child is the only way of doing it is quite frankly disturbing in a man thats supposed to be fully trained and qualified. Your attitude is to be frank very entitled. OP like everyone here some of what you say has truth and some is utter clap trap, guessing and speculation. At no point are you or anyone 100% right and if you believe you are you need to grow up. Opinions ny dear are like assholes we all have them ... they dont always do what they should though. " I'll make it simple for you. I'm a coach in diff sports. My job is to coach the skills of those sports. If they're is unruly behaviour you try deal with it. If no improvement parents are brought in. Can't make it any easier for u | |||
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"Are ye still at it? There's no right or wrong answer, we can only go on our experiences and mine is all kids are spoilt rotten shits, apart from my own ofcourse "Same as myself ... little angels | |||
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