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"Sexuality is a spectrum, it’s not simply being straight, bi or gay. If a lad doesn’t fancy lads and fancy spending a night with a TS or TV (naughty fantasy), it doesn’t make him bi automatically in my view. He may be exploring at this stage. And fab doesn’t give you more options to describe your sexuality, to truly reflect human sexuality and it’s wide spectrum. If we had more options and ppl where honest, straight for men and females on fab would become the retest kind "Then they would be bi-curious? | |||
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"Sexuality is a spectrum, it’s not simply being straight, bi or gay. If a lad doesn’t fancy lads and fancy spending a night with a TS or TV (naughty fantasy), it doesn’t make him bi automatically in my view. He may be exploring at this stage. And fab doesn’t give you more options to describe your sexuality, to truly reflect human sexuality and it’s wide spectrum. If we had more options and ppl where honest, straight for men and females on fab would become the retest kind
Then they would be bi-curious? "I don't think I have explained the spectrum well The simplistic view of human sexuality that fab educates people about (straight, bi curious, bi, gay) doesn't represent how people work. There are people i.e. that are predominantly straight but have fantasies about spending naughty time with a TS girl. They have no desire for a guy but only have fantasy for TS. How in the world it makes them bi curious? They are predominantly straight men with a TS fantasy. Bi curious for me means that a lad or a girl is curious about same gender and feels somehow attracted to the same form as theirs. I wish fab removed that stupid categorisation as it does more bad than good in here. Almost nobody is honest about who they are sexually and it teaches people wrong things about human sexuality... | |||
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"Sexuality is a spectrum, it’s not simply being straight, bi or gay. If a lad doesn’t fancy lads and fancy spending a night with a TS or TV (naughty fantasy), it doesn’t make him bi automatically in my view. He may be exploring at this stage. And fab doesn’t give you more options to describe your sexuality, to truly reflect human sexuality and it’s wide spectrum. If we had more options and ppl where honest, straight for men and females on fab would become the retest kind
Then they would be bi-curious?
I don't think I have explained the spectrum well The simplistic view of human sexuality that fab educates people about (straight, bi curious, bi, gay) doesn't represent how people work.
There are people i.e. that are predominantly straight but have fantasies about spending naughty time with a TS girl. They have no desire for a guy but only have fantasy for TS. How in the world it makes them bi curious? They are predominantly straight men with a TS fantasy.
Bi curious for me means that a lad or a girl is curious about same gender and feels somehow attracted to the same form as theirs.
I wish fab removed that stupid categorisation as it does more bad than good in here. Almost nobody is honest about who they are sexually and it teaches people wrong things about human sexuality..."100% agree | |||
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"why do so many straight men want to meet tvs? i get a lot of mails from guys "just wanting to try" why not admit you are bi????" | |||
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"why do so many straight men want to meet tvs? i get a lot of mails from guys "just wanting to try" why not admit you are bi????" Why don't you You have yourself down as bi curious!. What does that mean You are curious about your own sex , or curious about your opposite sex | |||
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"I find it fascinating that so many people worry about who is fucking who and what label they should be branded with. Maybe ye should focus on yourself and why your so judgemental of people's choices "This!! Where is the round of applause gif?? | |||
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"So what if I wanna be pegged by a woman what does that make me" Kinky | |||
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"So what if I wanna be pegged by a woman what does that make me" Kinky and fancy women ? | |||
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"why do so many straight men want to meet tvs? i get a lot of mails from guys "just wanting to try" why not admit you are bi????" I believe that I'm 100% straight, I only like t-girls because they appear in a female form. I'm not attracted to females who look like men so I'm straight. The male genitalia just adds another layer of pleasure and kinkiness. It's an interesting subject though. Ben. | |||
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"why do so many straight men want to meet tvs? i get a lot of mails from guys "just wanting to try" why not admit you are bi???? I believe that I'm 100% straight, I only like t-girls because they appear in a female form. I'm not attracted to females who look like men so I'm straight. The male genitalia just adds another layer of pleasure and kinkiness. It's an interesting subject though. Ben. " That's an interesting perspective. You seemed to be turned on by feminine traits regardless of chromosomes and no interest in masculine traits regardless of chromosomes. | |||
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"why do so many straight men want to meet tvs? i get a lot of mails from guys "just wanting to try" why not admit you are bi???? I believe that I'm 100% straight, I only like t-girls because they appear in a female form. I'm not attracted to females who look like The male genitalia just adds another layer of pleasure and kinkiness. It's an interesting subject though. Ben. That's an interesting perspective. You seemed to be turned on by feminine traits regardless of chromosomes and no interest in masculine traits regardless of chromosomes." Exactly.... However I did have to create this profile to peruse my t-girl escapades as I'm sure that my fantasies would deter girls and couples from meeting me in future. | |||
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"why do so many straight men want to meet tvs? i get a lot of mails from guys "just wanting to try" why not admit you are bi????" Here here about time someone said it... Tho there's straight (like me) and there's FAB Straight I guess | |||
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"Probably because its tv/ts and some are female?" Only some of the TS are female once had full operation and hormones. TV just dress up, they are still men. I think some straight men do not know the difference which is kind of funny as they are having gay sex and maybe not realising  | |||
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"I think some straight men do not know the difference which is kind of funny as they are having gay sex and maybe not realising "I think they know the difference but because she/he is wearing woman’s clothes thinks it counts as straight sex. I personally love to meet a nice TS but not a TV. | |||
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"I think some straight men do not know the difference which is kind of funny as they are having gay sex and maybe not realising
I think they know the difference but because she/he is wearing woman’s clothes thinks it counts as straight sex.
I personally love to meet a nice TS but not a TV."They are utterly deluded if they think it passes as straight sex just as the TV/ CD is dressed up in womens clothes. They are either shockingly mistaken thinking it is same as TS or they have deep closet bisexual/ gay tendancies they cannot face. | |||
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"This seems to come up a lot lol. I know TV/ts/ may have a manly bit but they look feminine and to be fair this site and elsewhere has some very feminine good looking tv/ts. Can you call a straight guy gay or bi for being attracted to someone who looks sexy and feminine?? It'll always be debated about haha. Maybe we shouldn't label and just enjoy ourselves "If I put a table cloth over the top of my car and set out cutlery plates napkins a vase and flowers in it, dies it make it a table? No of course not. I cannot go a drive it around without insurance, tax or not. If stopped by the police and it went to court I don't think the judge, police or newspapers would support my defence that it's a table. If it has manly bits it's not female and visa versa. I know many are trying to push legislation that its about how one feels inside, but they're trying to change the baseline that the physical properties are what defines you and your feelings can change from one day to the next, sometimes just because of convenience. | |||
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"I appreciate whoever willing to meet me. How he labels himself is not a problem. I always wonder why people try to dictate other people's profile. " | |||
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"It would be great if the block option could be more specific i.e. If you had the option to block:- Attached but partner is not aware Bi/bi curious Anyone looking for men or women or tv/ts, whites, asian, etc, whatever you are not looking for or have a preference not to meet. Then only like minded people with similar preference could contact each other. But that would require an honest profile. " Your last sentence sums it up as to why most things on here cant be taken as face value. | |||
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"Labels labels labels" Yep and it's how we know that it's beans in the tin and not anchovies
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So what is your issue with having a label? Is there a problem with being identified with something or do you not like not having access because of what others think? Genuinely interested. | |||
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"I appreciate whoever willing to meet me. How he labels himself is not a problem. I always wonder why people try to dictate other people's profile. "Unfortunately, many people have zero mental dexterity. They think sexuality in terms of a can of beans and a can of anchovies. ( which of course shows their level of ignorance where matters of sexuality is involved). And yes , they try to force their ignorance down people’s throats because they think they can never be wrong about anything. | |||
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" If I put a table cloth over the top of my car and set out cutlery plates napkins a vase and flowers in it, dies it make it a table? No of course not. I cannot go a drive it around without insurance, tax or not. If stopped by the police and it went to court I don't think the judge, police or newspapers would support my defence that it's a table. If it has manly bits it's not female and visa versa. I know many are trying to push legislation that its about how one feels inside, but they're trying to change the baseline that the physical properties are what defines you and your feelings can change from one day to the next, sometimes just because of convenience." Many of us know we can never be a woman, no matter how much mutilation we do to our body. However, some of us are proud of who we are : as a feminine being, born in a male physique. We just want to look as good as we can and we take real woman as our gold standard; that's all. I, too, feel sad when a post-op trans change their gender here to female but if that is what they want, it's their profile. | |||
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"If I put a table cloth over the top of my car and set out cutlery plates napkins a vase and flowers in it, dies it make it a table? No of course not. I cannot go a drive it around without insurance, tax or not. If stopped by the police and it went to court I don't think the judge, police or newspapers would support my defence that it's a table. If it has manly bits it's not female and visa versa. I know many are trying to push legislation that its about how one feels inside, but they're trying to change the baseline that the physical properties are what defines you and your feelings can change from one day to the next, sometimes just because of convenience." but people do use cars as tables, you can buy minis with the roof cut off as a table. Normally people dont drive them around because it would be silly, but with the right paper work you could. Also the courts agree that ts are women, so do doctors and scientists. So they have all the paper work to be a woman. | |||
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"I have myself as straight but will have no problem have sex with a TS , does that make me bi ? Bi curious ? Or just now a days have to be labeled as something , go on start the judging " Since when is labelling new, it's not just now a days. And yes you're bi curious at best. Nothing wrong with being bi curious. Own it and be proud isn't that what the 'Pride' movement is about? | |||
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"why do so many straight men want to meet tvs? i get a lot of mails from guys "just wanting to try" why not admit you are bi????" Do you tell everyone you meet that your a part time transvestite and wear women’s clothing? I bet you don’t | |||
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"The amount of str8 men which message me is kinda funny, if they see me as a guy I'm called every name under the sun, But once i put my hair, make up on i am fab, gorgeous, they are mad to meet me. They would want to sit down and get a grip of their lives and see what they want and accept the fact they are Bi" Well said, they are not straight no matter how angrily they deny it | |||
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"I have myself as straight but will have no problem have sex with a TS , does that make me bi ? Bi curious ? Or just now a days have to be labeled as something , go on start the judging Since when is labelling new, it's not just now a days. And yes you're bi curious at best. Nothing wrong with being bi curious. Own it and be proud isn't that what the 'Pride' movement is about?"I am what I am and refuse being labeled as anything , if I want to keep the straight on my profile and still meet Tgirls thats my business and no one else , on a site like this people should just cope on and stop being so judgemental | |||
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"I have myself as straight but will have no problem have sex with a TS , does that make me bi ? Bi curious ? Or just now a days have to be labeled as something , go on start the judging Since when is labelling new, it's not just now a days. And yes you're bi curious at best. Nothing wrong with being bi curious. Own it and be proud isn't that what the 'Pride' movement is about?
I am what I am and refuse being labeled as anything , if I want to keep the straight on my profile and still meet Tgirls thats my business and no one else , on a site like this people should just cope on and stop being so judgemental "How am I being judgemental? That's a judgement in itself by someone who may be in denial. Maybe because it is just lying to others. Maybe you should consider that, you're advertising to others something that you're not and yes unfortunately whether you may like it or not it does impact on others. There's not a single person that doesn't make a judgement on someone else. You'll do it everyone you consider meeting a TV, are they attractive enough... That's a judgement. It's complete bs when people say they don't judge. We all do, it's a major part of day to day life and it's NOT always wrong. | |||
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"I have myself as straight but will have no problem have sex with a TS , does that make me bi ? Bi curious ? Or just now a days have to be labeled as something , go on start the judging Since when is labelling new, it's not just now a days. And yes you're bi curious at best. Nothing wrong with being bi curious. Own it and be proud isn't that what the 'Pride' movement is about?
I am what I am and refuse being labeled as anything , if I want to keep the straight on my profile and still meet Tgirls thats my business and no one else , on a site like this people should just cope on and stop being so judgemental
How am I being judgemental? That's a judgement in itself by someone who may be in denial.
Maybe because it is just lying to others. Maybe you should consider that, you're advertising to others something that you're not and yes unfortunately whether you may like it or not it does impact on others.
There's not a single person that doesn't make a judgement on someone else. You'll do it everyone you consider meeting a TV, are they attractive enough... That's a judgement. It's complete bs when people say they don't judge. We all do, it's a major part of day to day life and it's NOT always wrong."Dude you are trying to say I am in denial and should change to bi-curious , as I say , I am what I am and refuse to change the straight status just cause I would meet a TV , and yes met few before and even made movies but still am straight | |||
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"I have myself as straight but will have no problem have sex with a TS , does that make me bi ? Bi curious ? Or just now a days have to be labeled as something , go on start the judging Since when is labelling new, it's not just now a days. And yes you're bi curious at best. Nothing wrong with being bi curious. Own it and be proud isn't that what the 'Pride' movement is about?
I am what I am and refuse being labeled as anything , if I want to keep the straight on my profile and still meet Tgirls thats my business and no one else , on a site like this people should just cope on and stop being so judgemental
How am I being judgemental? That's a judgement in itself by someone who may be in denial.
Maybe because it is just lying to others. Maybe you should consider that, you're advertising to others something that you're not and yes unfortunately whether you may like it or not it does impact on others.
There's not a single person that doesn't make a judgement on someone else. You'll do it everyone you consider meeting a TV, are they attractive enough... That's a judgement. It's complete bs when people say they don't judge. We all do, it's a major part of day to day life and it's NOT always wrong.
Dude you are trying to say I am in denial and should change to bi-curious , as I say , I am what I am and refuse to change the straight status just cause I would meet a TV , and yes met few before and even made movies but still am straight"Really? Please tell me where I've said or even suggested that? I've said you're not straight by definition and what I've said is that maybe you should consider owning it. You may play straight at times and at other times you don't, which means you're not straight. Simple fact. | |||
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"I have myself as straight but will have no problem have sex with a TS , does that make me bi ? Bi curious ? Or just now a days have to be labeled as something , go on start the judging Since when is labelling new, it's not just now a days. And yes you're bi curious at best. Nothing wrong with being bi curious. Own it and be proud isn't that what the 'Pride' movement is about?
I am what I am and refuse being labeled as anything , if I want to keep the straight on my profile and still meet Tgirls thats my business and no one else , on a site like this people should just cope on and stop being so judgemental
How am I being judgemental? That's a judgement in itself by someone who may be in denial.
Maybe because it is just lying to others. Maybe you should consider that, you're advertising to others something that you're not and yes unfortunately whether you may like it or not it does impact on others.
There's not a single person that doesn't make a judgement on someone else. You'll do it everyone you consider meeting a TV, are they attractive enough... That's a judgement. It's complete bs when people say they don't judge. We all do, it's a major part of day to day life and it's NOT always wrong.
Dude you are trying to say I am in denial and should change to bi-curious , as I say , I am what I am and refuse to change the straight status just cause I would meet a TV , and yes met few before and even made movies but still am straight
Really? Please tell me where I've said or even suggested that? I've said you're not straight by definition and what I've said is that maybe you should consider owning it. You may play straight at times and at other times you don't, which means you're not straight. Simple fact."When did you suggested it ? Shall I point up when on your comment you said that I should own it and be proud ? Till now I had respect for you and thought you were a great fun in forums ..... not anymore , wont go on a rant cause then will get another ban | |||
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"I believe it's all pretty straight forward your either straight or your not.I don't believe there is an inbetween." very naive this | |||
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"I believe it's all pretty straight forward your either straight or your not.I don't believe there is an inbetween.very naive this " In what way is that naïve? What does straight mean? Is someone who identifies with being gay, not gay but just something else and if so what? Are you trying to convince me and others that we're something other than what we are? | |||
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"I believe it's all pretty straight forward your either straight or your not.I don't believe there is an inbetween.very naive this " Or not confused? | |||
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"I believe it's all pretty straight forward your either straight or your not.I don't believe there is an inbetween.very naive this " Look there is no argument your straight or not very simple. | |||
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"It's fascinating how strongly straight men feel about this. "Maybe it's more clear for straight men because they know there is no in between. | |||
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"I believe it's all pretty straight forward your either straight or your not.I don't believe there is an inbetween.very naive this Look there is no argument your straight or not very simple. " Nope there is a whole spectrum of bisexuality inbetween, not simply gay or straight. | |||
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"It's fascinating how strongly straight men feel about this. Maybe it's more clear for straight men because they know there is no in between."Or not so confused. What problem do you have with straight men who stand up to those who want to try to change them DG? | |||
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"I believe it's all pretty straight forward your either straight or your not.I don't believe there is an inbetween.very naive this Look there is no argument your straight or not very simple. Nope there is a whole spectrum of bisexuality inbetween, not simply gay or straight. " You can put as many fancy names to it as you like but at the end of the day it adds up to the same result straight or not. | |||
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"I believe it's all pretty straight forward your either straight or your not.I don't believe there is an inbetween.very naive this Look there is no argument your straight or not very simple. Nope there is a whole spectrum of bisexuality inbetween, not simply gay or straight. " I don't see anyone here has allegedly say that there is no spectrum? The debates seem to be those who say there is no labels, or more correctly, don't like a label as they want to be seen as straight but can be bi as well, unless I've misread. Please show me where anyone has said, one can only be straight or gay? There's never been a question of spectrum. | |||
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"I believe it's all pretty straight forward your either straight or your not.I don't believe there is an inbetween.very naive this Look there is no argument your straight or not very simple. Nope there is a whole spectrum of bisexuality inbetween, not simply gay or straight. You can put as many fancy names to it as you like but at the end of the day it adds up to the same result straight or not. " | |||
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"why do so many straight men want to meet tvs? i get a lot of mails from guys "just wanting to try" why not admit you are bi????" Its an instant Delete by me if it comes from a "straight" guy. | |||
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"It's fascinating how strongly straight men feel about this. Maybe it's more clear for straight men because they know there is no in between."Seems more to me that they try to put as much of a distance between themselves and anything that is slightly regarded off the 'straight-norm', says it because they're terrified of anything that has a touch of homosexuality or because they think it would be of advantage when it comes down to meeting the ladies. | |||
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"It's fascinating how strongly straight men feel about this. Maybe it's more clear for straight men because they know there is no in between.
Seems more to me that they try to put as much of a distance between themselves and anything that is slightly regarded off the 'straight-norm', says it because they're terrified of anything that has a touch of homosexuality or because they think it would be of advantage when it comes down to meeting the ladies. "I don't know about other people but for me it's simple straight or not. You can't be one thing today and another tomorrow. | |||
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"It's fascinating how strongly straight men feel about this. Maybe it's more clear for straight men because they know there is no in between.
Seems more to me that they try to put as much of a distance between themselves and anything that is slightly regarded off the 'straight-norm', says it because they're terrified of anything that has a touch of homosexuality or because they think it would be of advantage when it comes down to meeting the ladies. "Maybe for some but for me it's got nothing to do with anything you're suggesting. I'll meet and touch bisexual ladies. It's simply straight means what it says on the tin and if others suggesting otherwise then they need to maybe understand there are some who are simply straight. There's no such thing as fab straight either, they're bi and it would seem there's an elasticated spectrum of bi. | |||
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"It's fascinating how strongly straight men feel about this. Maybe it's more clear for straight men because they know there is no in between.
Seems more to me that they try to put as much of a distance between themselves and anything that is slightly regarded off the 'straight-norm', says it because they're terrified of anything that has a touch of homosexuality or because they think it would be of advantage when it comes down to meeting the ladies.
Maybe for some but for me it's got nothing to do with anything you're suggesting. I'll meet and touch bisexual ladies. It's simply straight means what it says on the tin and if others suggesting otherwise then they need to maybe understand there are some who are simply straight. There's no such thing as fab straight either, they're bi and it would seem there's an elasticated spectrum of bi."But we're not talking about bisexual ladies, we're talking about men and their sexual orientation. You'd never find a discussion like the above regarding women and the vehement labelling of same sex exploring ladies by straight women. Unfortunately when it comes down to men exploring a bi/tv/ts fantasy there seems to be for many still a stigma attached to it, while when it's a woman it's regarded as sexy. That's why the fab straight men does exist, created by the stigma. And probably for the same reason straight men are keen to distance themselves from any such fantasy or lads expressing it. I'm aware of women and men who explored the same sex encounter but eventually decided it's not for them. Does that make them bi? There's plenty on here with a pegging fantasy, does that make them bi? Male g-spot is up the bum, why not exploring it? Does meeting a person who is transgender make you bi? | |||
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"why do so many straight men want to meet tvs? i get a lot of mails from guys "just wanting to try" why not admit you are bi????" Straight men dont want to meet TVs. Men who call or label themselves as straight but are actually bi curious or bisexual want to meet TVs. | |||
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"So what if I wanna be pegged by a woman what does that make me" You want to be pegged by a woman. If you are only sexually attracted to women then you are straight. Dont confuse a sexual act with sexual orientation. | |||
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"It's fascinating how strongly straight men feel about this. Maybe it's more clear for straight men because they know there is no in between.
Seems more to me that they try to put as much of a distance between themselves and anything that is slightly regarded off the 'straight-norm', says it because they're terrified of anything that has a touch of homosexuality or because they think it would be of advantage when it comes down to meeting the ladies.
Maybe for some but for me it's got nothing to do with anything you're suggesting. I'll meet and touch bisexual ladies. It's simply straight means what it says on the tin and if others suggesting otherwise then they need to maybe understand there are some who are simply straight. There's no such thing as fab straight either, they're bi and it would seem there's an elasticated spectrum of bi.
But we're not talking about bisexual ladies, we're talking about men and their sexual orientation. You'd never find a discussion like the above regarding women and the vehement labelling of same sex exploring ladies by straight women. Unfortunately when it comes down to men exploring a bi/tv/ts fantasy there seems to be for many still a stigma attached to it, while when it's a woman it's regarded as sexy. That's why the fab straight men does exist, created by the stigma. And probably for the same reason straight men are keen to distance themselves from any such fantasy or lads expressing it.
I'm aware of women and men who explored the same sex encounter but eventually decided it's not for them. Does that make them bi?
There's plenty on here with a pegging fantasy, does that make them bi? Male g-spot is up the bum, why not exploring it? Does meeting a person who is transgender make you bi? "You are just going round in circles and still comming up with the same result straight or not no inbetween. | |||
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"It's fascinating how strongly straight men feel about this. Maybe it's more clear for straight men because they know there is no in between.
Seems more to me that they try to put as much of a distance between themselves and anything that is slightly regarded off the 'straight-norm', says it because they're terrified of anything that has a touch of homosexuality or because they think it would be of advantage when it comes down to meeting the ladies. I don't know about other people but for me it's simple straight or not. You can't be one thing today and another tomorrow. "All depends on my mood lol | |||
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"It's fascinating how strongly straight men feel about this. Maybe it's more clear for straight men because they know there is no in between.
Seems more to me that they try to put as much of a distance between themselves and anything that is slightly regarded off the 'straight-norm', says it because they're terrified of anything that has a touch of homosexuality or because they think it would be of advantage when it comes down to meeting the ladies.
Maybe for some but for me it's got nothing to do with anything you're suggesting. I'll meet and touch bisexual ladies. It's simply straight means what it says on the tin and if others suggesting otherwise then they need to maybe understand there are some who are simply straight. There's no such thing as fab straight either, they're bi and it would seem there's an elasticated spectrum of bi.
But we're not talking about bisexual ladies, we're talking about men and their sexual orientation. You'd never find a discussion like the above regarding women and the vehement labelling of same sex exploring ladies by straight women. Unfortunately when it comes down to men exploring a bi/tv/ts fantasy there seems to be for many still a stigma attached to it, while when it's a woman it's regarded as sexy. That's why the fab straight men does exist, created by the stigma. And probably for the same reason straight men are keen to distance themselves from any such fantasy or lads expressing it.
I'm aware of women and men who explored the same sex encounter but eventually decided it's not for them. Does that make them bi?
There's plenty on here with a pegging fantasy, does that make them bi? Male g-spot is up the bum, why not exploring it? Does meeting a person who is transgender make you bi? "I think you know the answers to your questions and are fuelling the issue more than some as you're avoiding giving good answers yourself but leaving ambiguous speculations which I can only assume is just to stir, but I'll indulge and try and answer as I may be wrong and you may genuinely want some clarification. But we're not talking about bisexual ladies, we're talking about men and their sexual orientation. * Correct but there is never a complete distinction as being straight, bicurious or gay isn't just a male privelege and will mean the same irrespective of one's sexyality as you yourself demonstrate later in your remark about the male/female stigmas which is about society less about what fabbers think. You'd never find a discussion like the above regarding women... * There have been a few arguments tried recently in the lounge stating they see bi women who won't play with bi men as being hypocrites which is a lot of nonsense. and the vehement labelling of same sex exploring ladies by straight women. * Those that argue against labelling seem more to be the ones with the problem. I ask why? Is it an insecurity, being less sure in themselves, confusions surrounding their sexyality and those bi-curious define an uncertainty while exploring and searching if it's what they like or not, a transitional stage. Nothing wrong with it at all. What I find strange is not owning it. For some it's about hedging their bets here on fab. If it's to hedge bets in getting a simple shag, then clearly their sexuality nor being honest is of much importance. If they're not being honest with this important issue, what else are they not being honest about to those they meet? Unfortunately when it comes down to men exploring a bi/tv/ts fantasy there seems to be for many still a stigma attached to it, while when it's a woman it's regarded as sexy. * That's more to do with society and pornography rather than anything else and has little to do with me or anyone commenting in this forum. That's why the fab straight men does exist, created by the stigma.* and probably for the same reason straight men are keen to distance themselves from any such fantasy or lads expressing it.* Speculation as to quote yourself you're can't judge as you're not in their shoes. I'm aware of women and men who explored the same sex encounter but eventually decided it's not for them. Does that make them bi? * And interesting you drop the spectrum argument you held earlier and now twist things by misusing 'bi' when you clearly know exploring is synonymous with bicurious. Maybe it's this sort of comments that fuel the misunderstandings on this issue more so than those who are clear. There's plenty on here with a pegging fantasy, does that make them bi?* If playing with the same sex, then yes, if it's with opposite sex then no. Being bi or straight (as you well know) has nothing to do with the activity but with whom one does the activity with. Male g-spot is up the bum, why not exploring it?* Indeed why not if one is interested in it. Again same reply as above. Does meeting a person who is transgender make you bi?* Yes. Same response to above. And I think you knew this all along as you're not that naïve but seeking argument more than about lack of information. | |||
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Seems more to me that they try to put as much of a distance between themselves and anything that is slightly regarded off the 'straight-norm', says it because they're terrified of anything that has a touch of homosexuality or because they think it would be of advantage when it comes down to meeting the ladies. I don't know about other people but for me it's simple straight or not. You can't be one thing today and another tomorrow.
All depends on my mood lol "Naturally as you are bisexual. | |||
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"So what if I wanna be pegged by a woman what does that make me You want to be pegged by a woman. If you are only sexually attracted to women then you are straight. Dont confuse a sexual act with sexual orientation. " Never understood how anyone could think otherwise, let alone ask. The naivety displayed by some very experienced fabbers.... Shakes my head. | |||
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"It's fascinating how strongly straight men feel about this. Maybe it's more clear for straight men because they know there is no in between.
Seems more to me that they try to put as much of a distance between themselves and anything that is slightly regarded off the 'straight-norm', says it because they're terrified of anything that has a touch of homosexuality or because they think it would be of advantage when it comes down to meeting the ladies. I don't know about other people but for me it's simple straight or not. You can't be one thing today and another tomorrow.
All depends on my mood lol
Naturally as you are bisexual."I totally agree with what fabbers have previously mentioned about being able to change more choices of sexuality on personal description on here. I like to think of myself as i trisexual lol. Actually I find it hard to find the bi guys here tbh. | |||
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"It's fascinating how strongly straight men feel about this. Maybe it's more clear for straight men because they know there is no in between.
Seems more to me that they try to put as much of a distance between themselves and anything that is slightly regarded off the 'straight-norm', says it because they're terrified of anything that has a touch of homosexuality or because they think it would be of advantage when it comes down to meeting the ladies. I don't know about other people but for me it's simple straight or not. You can't be one thing today and another tomorrow.
All depends on my mood lol
Naturally as you are bisexual.
I totally agree with what fabbers have previously mentioned about being able to change more choices of sexuality on personal description on here. I like to think of myself as i trisexual lol. Actually I find it hard to find the bi guys here tbh. "Try anything once and if it's good try it again?  | |||
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"It's fascinating how strongly straight men feel about this. Maybe it's more clear for straight men because they know there is no in between.
Seems more to me that they try to put as much of a distance between themselves and anything that is slightly regarded off the 'straight-norm', says it because they're terrified of anything that has a touch of homosexuality or because they think it would be of advantage when it comes down to meeting the ladies. I don't know about other people but for me it's simple straight or not. You can't be one thing today and another tomorrow.
All depends on my mood lol
Naturally as you are bisexual.
I totally agree with what fabbers have previously mentioned about being able to change more choices of sexuality on personal description on here. I like to think of myself as i trisexual lol. Actually I find it hard to find the bi guys here tbh.
Try anything once and if it's good try it again? "That's it, there is so many different areas of sex to explore really there is. That's what makes it so exciting. | |||
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"It's fascinating how strongly straight men feel about this. Maybe it's more clear for straight men because they know there is no in between.
Seems more to me that they try to put as much of a distance between themselves and anything that is slightly regarded off the 'straight-norm', says it because they're terrified of anything that has a touch of homosexuality or because they think it would be of advantage when it comes down to meeting the ladies.
Maybe for some but for me it's got nothing to do with anything you're suggesting. I'll meet and touch bisexual ladies. It's simply straight means what it says on the tin and if others suggesting otherwise then they need to maybe understand there are some who are simply straight. There's no such thing as fab straight either, they're bi and it would seem there's an elasticated spectrum of bi.
But we're not talking about bisexual ladies, we're talking about men and their sexual orientation. You'd never find a discussion like the above regarding women and the vehement labelling of same sex exploring ladies by straight women. Unfortunately when it comes down to men exploring a bi/tv/ts fantasy there seems to be for many still a stigma attached to it, while when it's a woman it's regarded as sexy. That's why the fab straight men does exist, created by the stigma. And probably for the same reason straight men are keen to distance themselves from any such fantasy or lads expressing it.
I'm aware of women and men who explored the same sex encounter but eventually decided it's not for them. Does that make them bi?
There's plenty on here with a pegging fantasy, does that make them bi? Male g-spot is up the bum, why not exploring it? Does meeting a person who is transgender make you bi? You are just going round in circles and still comming up with the same result straight or not no inbetween. "It's about the journey and not the result. And there's always a bridge to cross on your way to the next meadow.... | |||
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"It's fascinating how strongly straight men feel about this. Maybe it's more clear for straight men because they know there is no in between.
Seems more to me that they try to put as much of a distance between themselves and anything that is slightly regarded off the 'straight-norm', says it because they're terrified of anything that has a touch of homosexuality or because they think it would be of advantage when it comes down to meeting the ladies.
Maybe for some but for me it's got nothing to do with anything you're suggesting. I'll meet and touch bisexual ladies. It's simply straight means what it says on the tin and if others suggesting otherwise then they need to maybe understand there are some who are simply straight. There's no such thing as fab straight either, they're bi and it would seem there's an elasticated spectrum of bi.
But we're not talking about bisexual ladies, we're talking about men and their sexual orientation. You'd never find a discussion like the above regarding women and the vehement labelling of same sex exploring ladies by straight women. Unfortunately when it comes down to men exploring a bi/tv/ts fantasy there seems to be for many still a stigma attached to it, while when it's a woman it's regarded as sexy. That's why the fab straight men does exist, created by the stigma. And probably for the same reason straight men are keen to distance themselves from any such fantasy or lads expressing it.
I'm aware of women and men who explored the same sex encounter but eventually decided it's not for them. Does that make them bi?
There's plenty on here with a pegging fantasy, does that make them bi? Male g-spot is up the bum, why not exploring it? Does meeting a person who is transgender make you bi? You are just going round in circles and still comming up with the same result straight or not no inbetween.
It's about the journey and not the result.
And there's always a bridge to cross on your way to the next meadow....
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"It's fascinating how strongly straight men feel about this. Maybe it's more clear for straight men because they know there is no in between.
Seems more to me that they try to put as much of a distance between themselves and anything that is slightly regarded off the 'straight-norm', says it because they're terrified of anything that has a touch of homosexuality or because they think it would be of advantage when it comes down to meeting the ladies. I don't know about other people but for me it's simple straight or not. You can't be one thing today and another tomorrow.
All depends on my mood lol
Naturally as you are bisexual.
I totally agree with what fabbers have previously mentioned about being able to change more choices of sexuality on personal description on here. I like to think of myself as i trisexual lol. Actually I find it hard to find the bi guys here tbh.
Try anything once and if it's good try it again?
That's it, there is so many different areas of sex to explore really there is. That's what makes it so exciting. "Don't think that's what this is really about. Exploring is what makes it exciting and finding those who match the exploration. As far as your earlier comment , there would seem to be a lot of bi guys, but maybe most are still in the curious finding out stage, but definitely a lot out there going by the plethora of forum posts on fab. | |||
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"It's fascinating how strongly straight men feel about this. Maybe it's more clear for straight men because they know there is no in between.
Seems more to me that they try to put as much of a distance between themselves and anything that is slightly regarded off the 'straight-norm', says it because they're terrified of anything that has a touch of homosexuality or because they think it would be of advantage when it comes down to meeting the ladies. I don't know about other people but for me it's simple straight or not. You can't be one thing today and another tomorrow.
All depends on my mood lol
Naturally as you are bisexual.
I totally agree with what fabbers have previously mentioned about being able to change more choices of sexuality on personal description on here. I like to think of myself as i trisexual lol. Actually I find it hard to find the bi guys here tbh.
Try anything once and if it's good try it again?
That's it, there is so many different areas of sex to explore really there is. That's what makes it so exciting.
Don't think that's what this is really about. Exploring is what makes it exciting and finding those who match the exploration.
As far as your earlier comment , there would seem to be a lot of bi guys, but maybe most are still in the curious finding out stage, but definitely a lot out there going by the plethora of forum posts on fab."Well i must be unlucky then,i don't see them really. Come out come out come to me lol | |||
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" I think you know the answers to your questions and are fuelling the issue more than some as you're avoiding giving good answers yourself but leaving ambiguous speculations which I can only assume is just to stir, but I'll indulge and try and answer as I may be wrong and you may genuinely want some clarification. But we're not talking about bisexual ladies, we're talking about men and their sexual orientation. * Correct but there is never a complete distinction as being straight, bicurious or gay isn't just a male privelege and will mean the same irrespective of one's sexyality as you yourself demonstrate later in your remark about the male/female stigmas which is about society less about what fabbers think. You'd never find a discussion like the above regarding women... * There have been a few arguments tried recently in the lounge stating they see bi women who won't play with bi men as being hypocrites which is a lot of nonsense. and the vehement labelling of same sex exploring ladies by straight women. * Those that argue against labelling seem more to be the ones with the problem. I ask why? Is it an insecurity, being less sure in themselves, confusions surrounding their sexyality and those bi-curious define an uncertainty while exploring and searching if it's what they like or not, a transitional stage. Nothing wrong with it at all. What I find strange is not owning it. For some it's about hedging their bets here on fab. If it's to hedge bets in getting a simple shag, then clearly their sexuality nor being honest is of much importance. If they're not being honest with this important issue, what else are they not being honest about to those they meet? Unfortunately when it comes down to men exploring a bi/tv/ts fantasy there seems to be for many still a stigma attached to it, while when it's a woman it's regarded as sexy. * That's more to do with society and pornography rather than anything else and has little to do with me or anyone commenting in this forum. That's why the fab straight men does exist, created by the stigma.* and probably for the same reason straight men are keen to distance themselves from any such fantasy or lads expressing it.* Speculation as to quote yourself you're can't judge as you're not in their shoes. I'm aware of women and men who explored the same sex encounter but eventually decided it's not for them. Does that make them bi? * And interesting you drop the spectrum argument you held earlier and now twist things by misusing 'bi' when you clearly know exploring is synonymous with bicurious. Maybe it's this sort of comments that fuel the misunderstandings on this issue more so than those who are clear. There's plenty on here with a pegging fantasy, does that make them bi?* If playing with the same sex, then yes, if it's with opposite sex then no. Being bi or straight (as you well know) has nothing to do with the activity but with whom one does the activity with. Male g-spot is up the bum, why not exploring it?* Indeed why not if one is interested in it. Again same reply as above. Does meeting a person who is transgender make you bi?* Yes. Same response to above. And I think you knew this all along as you're not that naïve but seeking argument more than about lack of information. " Not trying to stir or argument, simply putting out there an observation and discuss, namely that men's sexual orientation is viewed much more critical than women's one which I find it's sad. Fabbers are part of society and the stigma I mentioned is more alive here than in day to day life, on a site where you expect a bit more tolerance and openmindedness. I've no issues with labels in general, but I think they should be used as a rough orientation only because of the diffused margins, I wouldn't read too much into it, honestly. It's a pity you have to start nitpicking on words when it's obvious my bi referred to any point of the bi scala. Finally orientation, fantasies and actions and a combo of it, are intervowen and fluid, there's not always a straight line to mark it, so don't give me the naivity stab, show a bit more calibre. | |||
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"why do so many straight men want to meet tvs? i get a lot of mails from guys "just wanting to try" why not admit you are bi????" Yeah but would you class a straight guy bi if he wants to meet a TS | |||
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"I will meet a Tv,Ts and a guy , will post the verify if it happens and won't change from straight , its Fabs and if I want to have fun I will and there are a few guys that posted on this thread and reported me , do it again , judgemental feckers " Look face facts your either straight or not. | |||
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"I will meet a Tv,Ts and a guy , will post the verify if it happens and won't change from straight , its Fabs and if I want to have fun I will and there are a few guys that posted on this thread and reported me , do it again , judgemental feckers Look face facts your either straight or not." Look face facts I am what I am and go on report me again | |||
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"I will meet a Tv,Ts and a guy , will post the verify if it happens and won't change from straight , its Fabs and if I want to have fun I will and there are a few guys that posted on this thread and reported me , do it again , judgemental feckers Look face facts your either straight or not. Look face facts I am what I am and go on report me again " Lol I might do a lot of things but report is not one of them. | |||
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"I will meet a Tv,Ts and a guy , will post the verify if it happens and won't change from straight , its Fabs and if I want to have fun I will and there are a few guys that posted on this thread and reported me , do it again , judgemental feckers Look face facts your either straight or not. Look face facts I am what I am and go on report me again Lol I might do a lot of things but report is not one of them. " Not gonna get into a useless argue just came out of a ban , you enjoy fab as you wish I will too , just don't label people | |||
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"why do so many straight men want to meet tvs? i get a lot of mails from guys "just wanting to try" why not admit you are bi???? I believe that I'm 100% straight, I only like t-girls because they appear in a female form. I'm not attracted to females who look like men so I'm straight. The male genitalia just adds another layer of pleasure and kinkiness. It's an interesting subject though. Ben. " Well that out a spanner in the works 
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"I will meet a Tv,Ts and a guy , will post the verify if it happens and won't change from straight , its Fabs and if I want to have fun I will and there are a few guys that posted on this thread and reported me , do it again , judgemental feckers " If you dont change from straight then that is your choice and your profile will show you as straight but fabbers will recognise you as fab straight or in other words bi sexual. | |||
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"I will meet a Tv,Ts and a guy , will post the verify if it happens and won't change from straight , its Fabs and if I want to have fun I will and there are a few guys that posted on this thread and reported me , do it again , judgemental feckers If you dont change from straight then that is your choice and your profile will show you as straight but fabbers will recognise you as fab straight or in other words bi sexual. " Really don't care how people see me or judge me , and ending this thread before I get banned again . I am straight , will I fuck a guy , a tv/ts or a woman ? Yes I will in the right circustances , does that make me bi ? Bi curious ? Or just straight having fun exploring ? Think people here should stop judging and label others | |||
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"It makes you straight. The people on here wont even accept that a woman can be born in the wrong body, so letting them decide your sexuality is madness." Lol some people here would argue that black was white.Like I've said before you're either straight or not no inbetween. | |||
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"It makes you straight. Lol some people here would argue that black was white.Like I've said before you're either straight or not no inbetween." I pity those that see the world in such black and white terms. Sexuality, like colour, is a spectrum where black and white doesn’t exist. | |||
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"It makes you straight. Lol some people here would argue that black was white.Like I've said before you're either straight or not no inbetween. I pity those that see the world in such black and white terms. Sexuality, like colour, is a spectrum where black and white doesn’t exist. " Really don't care what others think , I will enjoy my fun and still refuse to be labeled | |||
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"It makes you straight. Lol some people here would argue that black was white.Like I've said before you're either straight or not no inbetween. I pity those that see the world in such black and white terms. Sexuality, like colour, is a spectrum where black and white doesn’t exist. Really don't care what others think , I will enjoy my fun and still refuse to be labeled " It would appear very differently as you keep harping on about it it different threads. If it really didn't bother you, then you wouldn't be making a song and dance about it would you. | |||
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"Everyone labels themselves first, by actions and voicing things. Others may then label them the same or differently. There's nothing wrong with labels. Those who fight it aren't comfortable in some capacity." See there is where the problem starts , you all jump quick on branding a guy that says he will meet a TV . Still shout it , I am straight , but do want to meet a tv , a ts , an open minded couple , take pics do movies , its all about experiences , and don't judge me | |||
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"Lol some people here would argue that black was white.Like I've said before you're either straight or not no inbetween." It's not black and white though. That's your "opinion" of the situation, but scientific fact is that it's a spectrum for both gender and sexuality. How do you account for asexual people if its black and white? People with zero sexual desire at all for either man or woman? The current situation is that sexuality is based off an urge to reproduce and its chemicals introduced to the brain in the womb. If the gender of the baby is male it may get the chemical for reproduction for a female and have the urge to have sex with men, and vice versa. The chemical might also be off by a bit and you might get 0 - 100 of it, if you got 0 then asexual, and if you got for basic sense 50% of the chemical you end up bisexual. Gender happens in the brain too and is a similar process. A gay scientist developed tests to detect gay fetus, and gay people, and trans. He did this to prove it was natural process. He got to 90% accuracy and released some findings. He then went on to refine the process and reached something like 99.99% accuracy. He was about to release the findings when he realised something. If people abort down syndrome babies when they detect it in the womb to 99.9% accuracy, then they would abort gay/trans babies if they could detect to 99.9% accuracy. It would just be a "Chemical imbalance" result. He got rid of the final research and gave up working as a scientist. Its the main reason I am anti abortion, as this stuff all happens in the womb and is detectable and people are having less children and want the children they have to be perfect. At the rate money is being spent on research to detect stuff in the womb, soon they will be able to detect dyslexia and everything. Anyway back to point, it is 100% a spectrum and being with a trans, crossing dicks, touching another mans dick during a 3some does not make you bi or gay. | |||
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"Everyone labels themselves first, by actions and voicing things. Others may then label them the same or differently. There's nothing wrong with labels. Those who fight it aren't comfortable in some capacity. See there is where the problem starts , you all jump quick on branding a guy that says he will meet a TV . Still shout it , I am straight , but do want to meet a tv , a ts , an open minded couple , take pics do movies , its all about experiences , and don't judge me" Describing a person as gay because they have sex with others of the same gender isn't judging, it's stating facts. | |||
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"Everyone labels themselves first, by actions and voicing things. Others may then label them the same or differently. There's nothing wrong with labels. Those who fight it aren't comfortable in some capacity. See there is where the problem starts , you all jump quick on branding a guy that says he will meet a TV . Still shout it , I am straight , but do want to meet a tv , a ts , an open minded couple , take pics do movies , its all about experiences , and don't judge me Describing a person as gay because they have sex with others of the same gender isn't judging, it's stating facts. " Oh really , and what if they have sex with Some one from the same gender and decide they didn't like it ? Still branded as gay ? | |||
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"Everyone labels themselves first, by actions and voicing things. Others may then label them the same or differently. There's nothing wrong with labels. Those who fight it aren't comfortable in some capacity. See there is where the problem starts , you all jump quick on branding a guy that says he will meet a TV . Still shout it , I am straight , but do want to meet a tv , a ts , an open minded couple , take pics do movies , its all about experiences , and don't judge me Describing a person as gay because they have sex with others of the same gender isn't judging, it's stating facts. Oh really , and what if they have sex with Some one from the same gender and decide they didn't like it ? Still branded as gay ? " They'd presumably be bi curious up to that point
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"Describing a person as gay because they have sex with others of the same gender isn't judging, it's stating facts. " I understand your point, but it is a judgement. Lots of gay men spend their lives having sex with women, then when older come out of the closet and leave their wife. All the sex with women in the world didn't make them straight or even bi. | |||
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"A guy goes in to prison . He’s 200 % str8. Never been, never will be anything other than str8. He’s a mature , hard as nails alpha Male . Doesn’t fancy men , would if anything be homophobic. Yet, in prison , he fucks men. Makes other men his bitches. So all u “experts “ say he is either gay or bisexual ." If he fucks men he is not straight. | |||
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"Everyone labels themselves first, by actions and voicing things. Others may then label them the same or differently. There's nothing wrong with labels. Those who fight it aren't comfortable in some capacity. See there is where the problem starts , you all jump quick on branding a guy that says he will meet a TV . Still shout it , I am straight , but do want to meet a tv , a ts , an open minded couple , take pics do movies , its all about experiences , and don't judge me" 1. No one has branded you as you put it for meeting or wanting to meet a TV. That's insulting in many ways towards TVs. 2. Some were pointing out the confusion you have with labelling yourself as straight. Yes you've labelled yourself for others to see. The issue that some have is that the can doesn't match your label. 3. You seem to want to change others by challenging the correct labels. The irony. As far as this issue of judging is concerned. Most of it is BS. Those who don't want to be judged are as has just been displayed judgemental themselves. To judge someone is an act of forming an opinion on someone. There is nothing wrong with that. It's what we do with that opinion which makes it right or wrong. Judging is just a verb, it's not bad but it can be bad in the way we do it. Let's look at the verb to eat. A man eats salad, This is good. A man eats humans, this is bad. Now let's look at the context. The man was a sailor lost at sea and his companion had died. He ate his dead companion to survive. It can become wrong when we base it upon a lack of knowledge. Sharks are leathal and man hunters. They are to be feared. A fear and misconception because of a simple film. The reality is that there are about 450 different shark species and few are leathal. There are on average about 5-6 reported shark attacks on humans per year. Humans kill hundred if thousands of sharks per year worldwide. We all hear most on fab say trust your gut instinct or judgement. It's a natural part of our DNA to judge. So let's try to be less judgemental also in telling others not to judge... Oh, sorry, that's a judgement in itself. | |||
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"A guy goes in to prison . He’s 200 % str8. Never been, never will be anything other than str8. He’s a mature , hard as nails alpha Male . Doesn’t fancy men , would if anything be homophobic. Yet, in prison , he fucks men. Makes other men his bitches. So all u “experts “ say he is either gay or bisexual . If he fucks men he is not straight." Once again yes he can be straight, what's the big deal with labels here ? On the other hand if in prison on a long term sentence with the way you think you would be a bitch and passed around from straight guy to straight guy | |||
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"A guy goes in to prison . He’s 200 % str8. Never been, never will be anything other than str8. He’s a mature , hard as nails alpha Male . Doesn’t fancy men , would if anything be homophobic. Yet, in prison , he fucks men. Makes other men his bitches. So all u “experts “ say he is either gay or bisexual ." So let me reread that... You're just suggesting that someone who is straight and doesn't fancy men is homophobic?
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"For the life of me I can't see the argument here your straight or not . Probably due to your education." Go on educated tell me how you can be straight and play with the same sex. | |||
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"A guy goes in to prison . He’s 200 % str8. Never been, never will be anything other than str8. He’s a mature , hard as nails alpha Male . Doesn’t fancy men , would if anything be homophobic. Yet, in prison , he fucks men. Makes other men his bitches. So all u “experts “ say he is either gay or bisexual . If he fucks men he is not straight. Once again yes he can be straight, what's the big deal with labels here ? On the other hand if in prison on a long term sentence with the way you think you would be a bitch and passed around from straight guy to straight guy " Lmao. | |||
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"I am off this argument before I get banned again " You're not going to get banned for debating what you feel is a valid point. You'll get banned if you break the rules by being abusive. | |||
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"I am off this argument before I get banned again You're not going to get banned for debating what you feel is a valid point. You'll get banned if you break the rules by being abusive. " | |||
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"For the life of me I can't see the argument here your straight or not . Probably due to your education. Go on educated tell me how you can be straight and play with the same sex." Can be straight to the same straight up him or her . But hey you stick to your guns and good luck | |||
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"For the life of me I can't see the argument here your straight or not . Probably due to your education. Go on educated tell me how you can be straight and play with the same sex." Already explained it above, 3 or 4 times. No point writing it out again when you openly admit you are inflexible on your stance. Do you admit that a gay man can have sex with women? for example they sometimes have children and live a life with a woman before coming out of the closet, and all the sex in the world with that woman cant make them straight? | |||
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"For the life of me I can't see the argument here your straight or not . Probably due to your education. Go on educated tell me how you can be straight and play with the same sex. Can be straight to the same straight up him or her . But hey you stick to your guns and good luck " Haven't a clue what that supposed to mean. | |||
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"Describing a person as gay because they have sex with others of the same gender isn't judging, it's stating facts. I understand your point, but it is a judgement. Lots of gay men spend their lives having sex with women, then when older come out of the closet and leave their wife. All the sex with women in the world didn't make them straight or even bi." By the same token, lots of men never have sex wth anyone so does that mean they're neither gay nor straight? If you're attracted to people of the same gender as yourself then you're gay in my book. That's not being judgemental as it doesn't bother me in the slightest who people are attracted to. On your last point about men coming out of the closet late in life, they were still presumably gray beforehand, just suppressing it. I'm not even sure why we're talking about this in this day and age. | |||
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"For the life of me I can't see the argument here your straight or not . Probably due to your education. Go on educated tell me how you can be straight and play with the same sex. Already explained it above, 3 or 4 times. No point writing it out again when you openly admit you are inflexible on your stance. Do you admit that a gay man can have sex with women? for example they sometimes have children and live a life with a woman before coming out of the closet, and all the sex in the world with that woman cant make them straight?" She's straight. He's not. Obviously some seem to feel it's the action rather than the sex of the person that determines if one is straight or not. So what you are saying is if I have anal sex with a woman it makes me gay? | |||
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"For the life of me I can't see the argument here your straight or not . Probably due to your education. Go on educated tell me how you can be straight and play with the same sex. Already explained it above, 3 or 4 times. No point writing it out again when you openly admit you are inflexible on your stance. Do you admit that a gay man can have sex with women? for example they sometimes have children and live a life with a woman before coming out of the closet, and all the sex in the world with that woman cant make them straight?" Look there isn't an argument here because it's simple you can't be straight and go with same sex. | |||
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"Describing a person as gay because they have sex with others of the same gender isn't judging, it's stating facts. I understand your point, but it is a judgement. Lots of gay men spend their lives having sex with women, then when older come out of the closet and leave their wife. All the sex with women in the world didn't make them straight or even bi. By the same token, lots of men never have sex wth anyone so does that mean they're neither gay nor straight? If you're attracted to people of the same gender as yourself then you're gay in my book. That's not being judgemental as it doesn't bother me in the slightest who people are attracted to. On your last point about men coming out of the closet late in life, they were still presumably gray beforehand, just suppressing it. I'm not even sure why we're talking about this in this day and age. " You'd have thought that indeed, however here on fab which really does surprise me there seems to be much confusion. | |||
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"A guy goes in to prison . He’s 200 % str8. Never been, never will be anything other than str8. He’s a mature , hard as nails alpha Male . Doesn’t fancy men , would if anything be homophobic. Yet, in prison , he fucks men. Makes other men his bitches. So all u “experts “ say he is either gay or bisexual . So let me reread that... You're just suggesting that someone who is straight and doesn't fancy men is homophobic?
And yes to your question. He has now chosen to become gay. It is a deliberate mindset change and acted accordingly."No I’m not suggesting that someone is straight is also homophobic. I’m saying that this particular man is homophobic. ( I know him and he is and always will be 110% straight ). But in prison he wanted to fuck. He didn’t want to fuck men . But he did. He just wanted to fuck a hole. He didn’t turn gay lol. Some ppl in here have no idea lol | |||
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"For the life of me I can't see the argument here your straight or not . Probably due to your education. Go on educated tell me how you can be straight and play with the same sex." For many, their sex is irrelevant. They don’t fancy men not even 0.000001 per cent. They are as str8 as an arrow . They just want to fuck and cum | |||
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"A guy goes in to prison . He’s 200 % str8. Never been, never will be anything other than str8. He’s a mature , hard as nails alpha Male . Doesn’t fancy men , would if anything be homophobic. Yet, in prison , he fucks men. Makes other men his bitches. So all u “experts “ say he is either gay or bisexual . So let me reread that... You're just suggesting that someone who is straight and doesn't fancy men is homophobic?
And yes to your question. He has now chosen to become gay. It is a deliberate mindset change and acted accordingly.
No I’m not suggesting that someone is straight is also homophobic. I’m saying that this particular man is homophobic. ( I know him and he is and always will be 110% straight ). But in prison he wanted to fuck. He didn’t want to fuck men . But he did. He just wanted to fuck a hole. He didn’t turn gay lol. Some ppl in here have no idea lol"Argue that in court. Would be interesting. | |||
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"By the same token, lots of men never have sex wth anyone so does that mean they're neither gay nor straight? If you're attracted to people of the same gender as yourself then you're gay in my book. That's not being judgemental as it doesn't bother me in the slightest who people are attracted to. On your last point about men coming out of the closet late in life, they were still presumably gray beforehand, just suppressing it. I'm not even sure why we're talking about this in this day and age. " 1) People who dont have sex are neither gay nor straight, they are asexual. 2) That is your opinion. 3) So the man was gay while being with the woman. You accept that, but your logic falls away cause that means a straight man can be straight while being with a man, he simply needs to suppress his sexuality and do it just to orgasm or comply with norms. If you accept gay people are always gay, then straight people are always straight even if they fool about. 4) we have to discuss it in this day and age because people apply internal bias to arguments. If a gay man is gay when he is with a woman, then a straight man is straight when he has sex with a man. The argument can mean nothing else. | |||
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"For the life of me I can't see the argument here your straight or not . Probably due to your education. Go on educated tell me how you can be straight and play with the same sex. For many, their sex is irrelevant. They don’t fancy men not even 0.000001 per cent. They are as str8 as an arrow . They just want to fuck and cum" That arrow is bent unfortunately, and if they weren't concerned they wouldn't call themselves straight | |||
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"By the same token, lots of men never have sex wth anyone so does that mean they're neither gay nor straight? If you're attracted to people of the same gender as yourself then you're gay in my book. That's not being judgemental as it doesn't bother me in the slightest who people are attracted to. On your last point about men coming out of the closet late in life, they were still presumably gray beforehand, just suppressing it. I'm not even sure why we're talking about this in this day and age. 1) People who dont have sex are neither gay nor straight, they are asexual. 2) That is your opinion. 3) So the man was gay while being with the woman. You accept that, but your logic falls away cause that means a straight man can be straight while being with a man, he simply needs to suppress his sexuality and do it just to orgasm or comply with norms. If you accept gay people are always gay, then straight people are always straight even if they fool about. 4) we have to discuss it in this day and age because people apply internal bias to arguments. If a gay man is gay when he is with a woman, then a straight man is straight when he has sex with a man. The argument can mean nothing else." But what has people that don't have sex got to do with been straight or not it's just that they are not interested in having sex with anyone. | |||
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"By the same token, lots of men never have sex wth anyone so does that mean they're neither gay nor straight? If you're attracted to people of the same gender as yourself then you're gay in my book. That's not being judgemental as it doesn't bother me in the slightest who people are attracted to. On your last point about men coming out of the closet late in life, they were still presumably gray beforehand, just suppressing it. I'm not even sure why we're talking about this in this day and age. 1) People who dont have sex are neither gay nor straight, they are asexual. 2) That is your opinion. 3) So the man was gay while being with the woman. You accept that, but your logic falls away cause that means a straight man can be straight while being with a man, he simply needs to suppress his sexuality and do it just to orgasm or comply with norms. If you accept gay people are always gay, then straight people are always straight even if they fool about. 4) we have to discuss it in this day and age because people apply internal bias to arguments. If a gay man is gay when he is with a woman, then a straight man is straight when he has sex with a man. The argument can mean nothing else." Asexual me hole! Some may be but the vast majority are not. Lack of opportunity doesn't alter whether you're attracted to men or women. The rest of it is just giving me a headache.  | |||
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"For the life of me I can't see the argument here your straight or not . Probably due to your education. Go on educated tell me how you can be straight and play with the same sex. For many, their sex is irrelevant. They don’t fancy men not even 0.000001 per cent. They are as str8 as an arrow . They just want to fuck and cum" Straight men don't fuck same sex because if they did they would be no longer straight. | |||
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"For the life of me I can't see the argument here your straight or not . Probably due to your education. Go on educated tell me how you can be straight and play with the same sex. For many, their sex is irrelevant. They don’t fancy men not even 0.000001 per cent. They are as str8 as an arrow . They just want to fuck and cum Straight men don't fuck same sex because if they did they would be no longer straight. " Really , and thats you that judges that ? | |||
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"For the life of me I can't see the argument here your straight or not . Probably due to your education. Go on educated tell me how you can be straight and play with the same sex. For many, their sex is irrelevant. They don’t fancy men not even 0.000001 per cent. They are as str8 as an arrow . They just want to fuck and cum Straight men don't fuck same sex because if they did they would be no longer straight. Really , and thats you that judges that ? " That's not judging it's just plain old common sense. | |||
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"For the life of me I can't see the argument here your straight or not . Probably due to your education. Go on educated tell me how you can be straight and play with the same sex. For many, their sex is irrelevant. They don’t fancy men not even 0.000001 per cent. They are as str8 as an arrow . They just want to fuck and cum Straight men don't fuck same sex because if they did they would be no longer straight. Really , and thats you that judges that ? " If anyone has been judgemental I think you may be too of the list so far. I think you're just looking for arguments as you did when you got a wee slap before. It was your angst towards others who hold a different and more sustained view on certain labels bassed upon shall we say even a dictionary. Your approach seems to be fuck I'll do what I like and feel and fuck anyone else. As someone already said you show disrespect towards others by not being truthdy in who you are saying you are sexually. This can ultimately only really go one way. It's been an enlightening thread. | |||
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"By the same token, lots of men never have sex wth anyone so does that mean they're neither gay nor straight? If you're attracted to people of the same gender as yourself then you're gay in my book. That's not being judgemental as it doesn't bother me in the slightest who people are attracted to. On your last point about men coming out of the closet late in life, they were still presumably gray beforehand, just suppressing it. I'm not even sure why we're talking about this in this day and age. 1) People who dont have sex are neither gay nor straight, they are asexual. 2) That is your opinion. 3) So the man was gay while being with the woman. You accept that, but your logic falls away cause that means a straight man can be straight while being with a man, he simply needs to suppress his sexuality and do it just to orgasm or comply with norms. If you accept gay people are always gay, then straight people are always straight even if they fool about. 4) we have to discuss it in this day and age because people apply internal bias to arguments. If a gay man is gay when he is with a woman, then a straight man is straight when he has sex with a man. The argument can mean nothing else." If a gay man as you put it is having sex with a woman he is bisexual If a straight man again as you put it is having sex with men he is also bisexual. Any person who gets sexually aroused and has sex with 2 different genders is bisexual. | |||
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"If a guy labels himself as straight on Fab but meets men or ty/ts for sex then he is either bi or bi curious. There is nothing wrong with being whatever you want be it straight,bi or bi curious. Each to their own, we all like different things. The only reason I can see, why men may label themselves straight when in fact they are not, is to meet people who's preference is not to meet bi or bi curious people. Surely this is not right to completely ignore someones stated preference. I fully support everyones right to be what they want to be. In my book that right must work both ways for us all to be truly equal. Therefore people that prefer to meet straight, or unattached, etc whatever your preference is should not be lied to. Their right to choose should be respected also. " | |||
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"By the same token, lots of men never have sex wth anyone so does that mean they're neither gay nor straight? If you're attracted to people of the same gender as yourself then you're gay in my book. That's not being judgemental as it doesn't bother me in the slightest who people are attracted to. On your last point about men coming out of the closet late in life, they were still presumably gray beforehand, just suppressing it. I'm not even sure why we're talking about this in this day and age. 1) People who dont have sex are neither gay nor straight, they are asexual. 2) That is your opinion. 3) So the man was gay while being with the woman. You accept that, but your logic falls away cause that means a straight man can be straight while being with a man, he simply needs to suppress his sexuality and do it just to orgasm or comply with norms. If you accept gay people are always gay, then straight people are always straight even if they fool about. 4) we have to discuss it in this day and age because people apply internal bias to arguments. If a gay man is gay when he is with a woman, then a straight man is straight when he has sex with a man. The argument can mean nothing else. If a gay man as you put it is having sex with a woman he is bisexual If a straight man again as you put it is having sex with men he is also bisexual. Any person who gets sexually aroused and has sex with 2 different genders is bisexual. " IF A woman is open to haven fun it's ok , if its a guy must change to bisexual or else you all snowflakes jump out | |||
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"By the same token, lots of men never have sex wth anyone so does that mean they're neither gay nor straight? If you're attracted to people of the same gender as yourself then you're gay in my book. That's not being judgemental as it doesn't bother me in the slightest who people are attracted to. On your last point about men coming out of the closet late in life, they were still presumably gray beforehand, just suppressing it. I'm not even sure why we're talking about this in this day and age. 1) People who dont have sex are neither gay nor straight, they are asexual. 2) That is your opinion. 3) So the man was gay while being with the woman. You accept that, but your logic falls away cause that means a straight man can be straight while being with a man, he simply needs to suppress his sexuality and do it just to orgasm or comply with norms. If you accept gay people are always gay, then straight people are always straight even if they fool about. 4) we have to discuss it in this day and age because people apply internal bias to arguments. If a gay man is gay when he is with a woman, then a straight man is straight when he has sex with a man. The argument can mean nothing else. If a gay man as you put it is having sex with a woman he is bisexual If a straight man again as you put it is having sex with men he is also bisexual. Any person who gets sexually aroused and has sex with 2 different genders is bisexual. IF A woman is open to haven fun it's ok , if its a guy must change to bisexual or else you all snowflakes jump out " Its nothing to do with snowflakes. It's about people being honest in their profile so others can make an informed decision based on the truth as to who they choose to meet. In order for you to choose the correct sexual orientation they must first be truthful to yourself. | |||
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"Bloody heck, did I start all this ?? " Lol u sure did... now lots of str8 guys being experts on bi sexuality lol | |||
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"By the same token, lots of men never have sex wth anyone so does that mean they're neither gay nor straight? If you're attracted to people of the same gender as yourself then you're gay in my book. That's not being judgemental as it doesn't bother me in the slightest who people are attracted to. On your last point about men coming out of the closet late in life, they were still presumably gray beforehand, just suppressing it. I'm not even sure why we're talking about this in this day and age. 1) People who dont have sex are neither gay nor straight, they are asexual. 2) That is your opinion. 3) So the man was gay while being with the woman. You accept that, but your logic falls away cause that means a straight man can be straight while being with a man, he simply needs to suppress his sexuality and do it just to orgasm or comply with norms. If you accept gay people are always gay, then straight people are always straight even if they fool about. 4) we have to discuss it in this day and age because people apply internal bias to arguments. If a gay man is gay when he is with a woman, then a straight man is straight when he has sex with a man. The argument can mean nothing else. If a gay man as you put it is having sex with a woman he is bisexual If a straight man again as you put it is having sex with men he is also bisexual. Any person who gets sexually aroused and has sex with 2 different genders is bisexual. IF A woman is open to haven fun it's ok , if its a guy must change to bisexual or else you all snowflakes jump out Its nothing to do with snowflakes. It's about people being honest in their profile so others can make an informed decision based on the truth as to who they choose to meet. In order for you to choose the correct sexual orientation they must first be truthful to yourself." You could argue if people hadn't an issue with male bisexuality/bicuriousity in the first place this wouldn't be a problem at all. | |||
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"By the same token, lots of men never have sex wth anyone so does that mean they're neither gay nor straight? If you're attracted to people of the same gender as yourself then you're gay in my book. That's not being judgemental as it doesn't bother me in the slightest who people are attracted to. On your last point about men coming out of the closet late in life, they were still presumably gray beforehand, just suppressing it. I'm not even sure why we're talking about this in this day and age. 1) People who dont have sex are neither gay nor straight, they are asexual. 2) That is your opinion. 3) So the man was gay while being with the woman. You accept that, but your logic falls away cause that means a straight man can be straight while being with a man, he simply needs to suppress his sexuality and do it just to orgasm or comply with norms. If you accept gay people are always gay, then straight people are always straight even if they fool about. 4) we have to discuss it in this day and age because people apply internal bias to arguments. If a gay man is gay when he is with a woman, then a straight man is straight when he has sex with a man. The argument can mean nothing else. If a gay man as you put it is having sex with a woman he is bisexual If a straight man again as you put it is having sex with men he is also bisexual. Any person who gets sexually aroused and has sex with 2 different genders is bisexual. IF A woman is open to haven fun it's ok , if its a guy must change to bisexual or else you all snowflakes jump out Its nothing to do with snowflakes. It's about people being honest in their profile so others can make an informed decision based on the truth as to who they choose to meet. In order for you to choose the correct sexual orientation they must first be truthful to yourself. You could argue if people hadn't an issue with male bisexuality/bicuriousity in the first place this wouldn't be a problem at all. "If people who choose not to meet bi or bi curious males that is their preference and they should not be tricked into doing so. People need to be honest with themselves and stop worrying what other people think. | |||
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"By the same token, lots of men never have sex wth anyone so does that mean they're neither gay nor straight? If you're attracted to people of the same gender as yourself then you're gay in my book. That's not being judgemental as it doesn't bother me in the slightest who people are attracted to. On your last point about men coming out of the closet late in life, they were still presumably gray beforehand, just suppressing it. I'm not even sure why we're talking about this in this day and age. 1) People who dont have sex are neither gay nor straight, they are asexual. 2) That is your opinion. 3) So the man was gay while being with the woman. You accept that, but your logic falls away cause that means a straight man can be straight while being with a man, he simply needs to suppress his sexuality and do it just to orgasm or comply with norms. If you accept gay people are always gay, then straight people are always straight even if they fool about. 4) we have to discuss it in this day and age because people apply internal bias to arguments. If a gay man is gay when he is with a woman, then a straight man is straight when he has sex with a man. The argument can mean nothing else. If a gay man as you put it is having sex with a woman he is bisexual If a straight man again as you put it is having sex with men he is also bisexual. Any person who gets sexually aroused and has sex with 2 different genders is bisexual. IF A woman is open to haven fun it's ok , if its a guy must change to bisexual or else you all snowflakes jump out Its nothing to do with snowflakes. It's about people being honest in their profile so others can make an informed decision based on the truth as to who they choose to meet. In order for you to choose the correct sexual orientation they must first be truthful to yourself. You could argue if people hadn't an issue with male bisexuality/bicuriousity in the first place this wouldn't be a problem at all. "One can argue anything but best not from an agenda. It may have something to do with it but certainly only a small factor amongst many. So always best to argue with a full picture. | |||
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"By the same token, lots of men never have sex wth anyone so does that mean they're neither gay nor straight? If you're attracted to people of the same gender as yourself then you're gay in my book. That's not being judgemental as it doesn't bother me in the slightest who people are attracted to. On your last point about men coming out of the closet late in life, they were still presumably gray beforehand, just suppressing it. I'm not even sure why we're talking about this in this day and age. 1) People who dont have sex are neither gay nor straight, they are asexual. 2) That is your opinion. 3) So the man was gay while being with the woman. You accept that, but your logic falls away cause that means a straight man can be straight while being with a man, he simply needs to suppress his sexuality and do it just to orgasm or comply with norms. If you accept gay people are always gay, then straight people are always straight even if they fool about. 4) we have to discuss it in this day and age because people apply internal bias to arguments. If a gay man is gay when he is with a woman, then a straight man is straight when he has sex with a man. The argument can mean nothing else. If a gay man as you put it is having sex with a woman he is bisexual If a straight man again as you put it is having sex with men he is also bisexual. Any person who gets sexually aroused and has sex with 2 different genders is bisexual. IF A woman is open to haven fun it's ok , if its a guy must change to bisexual or else you all snowflakes jump out Its nothing to do with snowflakes. It's about people being honest in their profile so others can make an informed decision based on the truth as to who they choose to meet. In order for you to choose the correct sexual orientation they must first be truthful to yourself. You could argue if people hadn't an issue with male bisexuality/bicuriousity in the first place this wouldn't be a problem at all. "It had nothing to do with that in any form. You amongst others have repeatedly tried to make it that issue by trying to slip it in your remarks. It's always been about being honest. If you and others can't see that then it's maybe reflective that you and others may be some of the main problem with acceptance of being other than straight. It would seem you and others are happy that some openly lie. What else would they not tell the truth about? It's probably the biggest worrying factor for all in the swing scene. | |||
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"By the same token, lots of men never have sex wth anyone so does that mean they're neither gay nor straight? If you're attracted to people of the same gender as yourself then you're gay in my book. That's not being judgemental as it doesn't bother me in the slightest who people are attracted to. On your last point about men coming out of the closet late in life, they were still presumably gray beforehand, just suppressing it. I'm not even sure why we're talking about this in this day and age. 1) People who dont have sex are neither gay nor straight, they are asexual. 2) That is your opinion. 3) So the man was gay while being with the woman. You accept that, but your logic falls away cause that means a straight man can be straight while being with a man, he simply needs to suppress his sexuality and do it just to orgasm or comply with norms. If you accept gay people are always gay, then straight people are always straight even if they fool about. 4) we have to discuss it in this day and age because people apply internal bias to arguments. If a gay man is gay when he is with a woman, then a straight man is straight when he has sex with a man. The argument can mean nothing else. If a gay man as you put it is having sex with a woman he is bisexual If a straight man again as you put it is having sex with men he is also bisexual. Any person who gets sexually aroused and has sex with 2 different genders is bisexual. IF A woman is open to haven fun it's ok , if its a guy must change to bisexual or else you all snowflakes jump out Its nothing to do with snowflakes. It's about people being honest in their profile so others can make an informed decision based on the truth as to who they choose to meet. In order for you to choose the correct sexual orientation they must first be truthful to yourself. You could argue if people hadn't an issue with male bisexuality/bicuriousity in the first place this wouldn't be a problem at all.
If people who choose not to meet bi or bi curious males that is their preference and they should not be tricked into doing so.
People need to be honest with themselves and stop worrying what other people think.
"I'm not denying anyone's preference. And I fully understand your argument. All I'm saying the reasoning behind not meeting bi or bi-curious males is in most cases based on negative perceptions, assumptions and prejudice, which in return results in hiding or denying the sexual orientation by some. Now I'm not condoning or even excuse the latter, simply pointing out a string of causes. | |||
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