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"Indeed... Lots of people thought Jews were a problem all across Europe and were delighted when Hitler said what they were all afraid to say themselves. " Indeed he is a visonary really. If he can sort out the so called muslims next I mean Mecca is miles away what are they doing here. | |||
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"pull ease save us the theatrics. Or maybe don't. Because Casey is brave enough to point out the reality of traveller "culture " he will no doubt go down in a hail of liberal abuse which agrees there should be free speech provided your speech agrees with liberal thought....." He and you can express any ideas you want just dont try to speak for "most people" so far its 2 to 1. Unless people with these views are afraid to say it.. I wonder why that would be | |||
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"Fair fucks to him for saying out loud what lots of people are thinking " Sadly you’re right. Lots of people are morons and do hold these bigoted views. It is a problem across Europe. The far right is on the rise. Last time it ended badly. | |||
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"The most entitled group in Irish society. A vastly disproportionate number in prison compared to "settled" people. It isn't a coincidence there is a shared perception of travellers. I'm sure there are some that buck the trend but the vast majority are a drain on society. The recent issue with stables being demanded to move into new homes is nothing short of madness. The default "can't tar them all with one brush" tends to identify a small number of exceptions as the majority. Will Casey get my vote ? No , he won't but I agree with him 100% on that. He's dead right when it comes to the house prices. I've worked in a few different industries over the years and bar none the worst experiences in each were with travellers. I don't see why they are entitled to special treatment. They want much more from society than they provide for it. Fair play to Casey on what he said. It doesn't add or take away from any of his other positions for me. As a singular issue I couldn't agree with him more. "  very well said! | |||
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"3-2! It’s a bold move by Casey, he knows the majority of travelers don’t have votes! " I'd say it's more that he knows he hasn't a snowball's chance on hell of winning so he's decided to let his tongue off the leash. | |||
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"3-2! It’s a bold move by Casey, he knows the majority of travelers don’t have votes! I'd say it's more that he knows he hasn't a snowball's chance on hell of winning so he's decided to let his tongue off the leash. " Oh absolutely, it’s desperate move! He knows he hasn’t a hope by just just saying the usual political drivel! This way he at least getting people to talk about him! | |||
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"Fair fucks to him for saying out loud what lots of people are thinking " With a name like Casey.. there's some traveller in him !! | |||
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"The most entitled group in Irish society. A vastly disproportionate number in prison compared to "settled" people. It isn't a coincidence there is a shared perception of travellers. I'm sure there are some that buck the trend but the vast majority are a drain on society. The recent issue with stables being demanded to move into new homes is nothing short of madness. The default "can't tar them all with one brush" tends to identify a small number of exceptions as the majority. Will Casey get my vote ? No , he won't but I agree with him 100% on that. He's dead right when it comes to the house prices. I've worked in a few different industries over the years and bar none the worst experiences in each were with travellers. I don't see why they are entitled to special treatment. They want much more from society than they provide for it. Fair play to Casey on what he said. It doesn't add or take away from any of his other positions for me. As a singular issue I couldn't agree with him more. " if they don't want to be a part of society then they shouldn't be supported by the same society, why the revenue or cab don't look into it is beyond me! | |||
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"I don't think I've ever seen so much sweeping generalisation in one thread before. "Is there exceptions to the generalisations ? Yes. Are the generalisations more true than false ? Which of them do you the opposite to what has been claimed would be a more accurate description of objective reakity ? | |||
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"I don't think I've ever seen so much sweeping generalisation in one thread before.
Is there exceptions to the generalisations ? Yes.
Are the generalisations more true than false ?
Which of them do you the opposite to what has been claimed would be a more accurate description of objective reakity ?"Generalisations of any kind are wrong. I hope you're not suggesting that bringing belonging to any group makes a person guilty of whatever you believe the majority of that group to be guilty of. That's just laziness of thought, not to mention ignorance. I'm kinda surprised at you being one of the people generalising given your constant outbursts against Donald Trump for his generalised comments about various minorities. | |||
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"I don't think I've ever seen so much sweeping generalisation in one thread before.
Is there exceptions to the generalisations ? Yes.
Are the generalisations more true than false ?
Which of them do you the opposite to what has been claimed would be a more accurate description of objective reakity ?
Generalisations of any kind are wrong. I hope you're not suggesting that bringing belonging to any group makes a person guilty of whatever you believe the majority of that group to be guilty of. That's just laziness of thought, not to mention ignorance.
I'm kinda surprised at you being one of the people generalising given your constant outbursts against Donald Trump for his generalised comments about various minorities. "Should a minority group be given special treatment over the general population? And if so why ? | |||
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"The most entitled group in Irish society. A vastly disproportionate number in prison compared to "settled" people. It isn't a coincidence there is a shared perception of travellers. I'm sure there are some that buck the trend but the vast majority are a drain on society. The recent issue with stables being demanded to move into new homes is nothing short of madness. The default "can't tar them all with one brush" tends to identify a small number of exceptions as the majority. Will Casey get my vote ? No , he won't but I agree with him 100% on that. He's dead right when it comes to the house prices. I've worked in a few different industries over the years and bar none the worst experiences in each were with travellers. I don't see why they are entitled to special treatment. They want much more from society than they provide for it. Fair play to Casey on what he said. It doesn't add or take away from any of his other positions for me. As a singular issue I couldn't agree with him more. if they don't want to be a part of society then they shouldn't be supported by the same society, why the revenue or cab don't look into it is beyond me!"Well said. | |||
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"I don't think I've ever seen so much sweeping generalisation in one thread before.
Is there exceptions to the generalisations ? Yes.
Are the generalisations more true than false ?
Which of them do you the opposite to what has been claimed would be a more accurate description of objective reakity ?
Generalisations of any kind are wrong. I hope you're not suggesting that bringing belonging to any group makes a person guilty of whatever you believe the majority of that group to be guilty of. That's just laziness of thought, not to mention ignorance.
I'm kinda surprised at you being one of the people generalising given your constant outbursts against Donald Trump for his generalised comments about various minorities.
Should a minority group be given special treatment over the general population? And if so why ?"What is it that they're entitled to that what you call "the general population" in the same position aren't entitled to? | |||
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"I don't think I've ever seen so much sweeping generalisation in one thread before.
Is there exceptions to the generalisations ? Yes.
Are the generalisations more true than false ?
Which of them do you the opposite to what has been claimed would be a more accurate description of objective reakity ?
Generalisations of any kind are wrong. I hope you're not suggesting that bringing belonging to any group makes a person guilty of whatever you believe the majority of that group to be guilty of. That's just laziness of thought, not to mention ignorance.
I'm kinda surprised at you being one of the people generalising given your constant outbursts against Donald Trump for his generalised comments about various minorities.
Should a minority group be given special treatment over the general population? And if so why ?
What is it that they're entitled to that what you call "the general population" in the same position aren't entitled to? "A half acre paddock with 2 stables for each house built in tipp at a cost of 1.7 million for 5 houses | |||
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"I don't think I've ever seen so much sweeping generalisation in one thread before.
Is there exceptions to the generalisations ? Yes.
Are the generalisations more true than false ?
Which of them do you the opposite to what has been claimed would be a more accurate description of objective reakity ?
Generalisations of any kind are wrong. I hope you're not suggesting that bringing belonging to any group makes a person guilty of whatever you believe the majority of that group to be guilty of. That's just laziness of thought, not to mention ignorance.
I'm kinda surprised at you being one of the people generalising given your constant outbursts against Donald Trump for his generalised comments about various minorities.
Should a minority group be given special treatment over the general population? And if so why ?
What is it that they're entitled to that what you call "the general population" in the same position aren't entitled to? "That's exactly the question I ask in my last post but you didn't give me an answer yet !  | |||
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"I don't think I've ever seen so much sweeping generalisation in one thread before.
Is there exceptions to the generalisations ? Yes.
Are the generalisations more true than false ?
Which of them do you the opposite to what has been claimed would be a more accurate description of objective reakity ?
Generalisations of any kind are wrong. I hope you're not suggesting that bringing belonging to any group makes a person guilty of whatever you believe the majority of that group to be guilty of. That's just laziness of thought, not to mention ignorance.
I'm kinda surprised at you being one of the people generalising given your constant outbursts against Donald Trump for his generalised comments about various minorities.
Should a minority group be given special treatment over the general population? And if so why ?
What is it that they're entitled to that what you call "the general population" in the same position aren't entitled to?
That's exactly the question I ask in my last post but you didn't give me an answer yet ! "That's not the question you asked at all. That's the question I asked. | |||
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"I don't think I've ever seen so much sweeping generalisation in one thread before.
Is there exceptions to the generalisations ? Yes.
Are the generalisations more true than false ?
Which of them do you the opposite to what has been claimed would be a more accurate description of objective reakity ?
Generalisations of any kind are wrong. I hope you're not suggesting that bringing belonging to any group makes a person guilty of whatever you believe the majority of that group to be guilty of. That's just laziness of thought, not to mention ignorance.
I'm kinda surprised at you being one of the people generalising given your constant outbursts against Donald Trump for his generalised comments about various minorities.
Should a minority group be given special treatment over the general population? And if so why ?
What is it that they're entitled to that what you call "the general population" in the same position aren't entitled to?
A half acre paddock with 2 stables for each house built in tipp at a cost of 1.7 million for 5 houses "Oh, so every member of the travelling community got that? Nice! | |||
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"I'll tell you what... Since Peter Casey is supposedly speaking for some sort of silent majority, or at least substantial minority, let's see how many votes his extreme views get him. Reading through this thread you'd expect at least 70%. Oh no wait, the man on 70% said his comments were despicable. 50%? No, I don't think so. Will be get 20%? Not a chance in hell. If he gets 5% I'll consider it a miracle. Guess what lads, he's not speaking for very many people at all it would seem. "His rating was already abysmal before the comments. | |||
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"I'll tell you what... Since Peter Casey is supposedly speaking for some sort of silent majority, or at least substantial minority, let's see how many votes his extreme views get him. Reading through this thread you'd expect at least 70%. Oh no wait, the man on 70% said his comments were despicable. Votes aside, do you honestly believe that anyone who doesn't want to work or contribute to society deserves to supported by that society? 50%? No, I don't think so. Will be get 20%? Not a chance in hell. If he gets 5% I'll consider it a miracle. Guess what lads, he's not speaking for very many people at all it would seem. " | |||
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"Fair fucks to him for saying out loud what lots of people are thinking With a name like Casey.. there's some traveller in him !!" So then he is allowed say bad things about them if he wants, like black people can use that word white people cant, you know the word. | |||
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"I'll tell you what... Since Peter Casey is supposedly speaking for some sort of silent majority, or at least substantial minority, let's see how many votes his extreme views get him. Reading through this thread you'd expect at least 70%. Oh no wait, the man on 70% said his comments were despicable. Votes aside, do you honestly believe that anyone who doesn't want to work or contribute to society deserves to supported by that society? 50%? No, I don't think so. Will be get 20%? Not a chance in hell. If he gets 5% I'll consider it a miracle. Guess what lads, he's not speaking for very many people at all it would seem. "You may have a mind narrow enough to accept that if you know some travellers that don't work then none of them must work. I know otherwise. In fact if you were listening to the debate about this on the radio earlier you'd have heard some who actually work for a living. 
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"I'll tell you what... Since Peter Casey is supposedly speaking for some sort of silent majority, or at least substantial minority, let's see how many votes his extreme views get him. Reading through this thread you'd expect at least 70%. Oh no wait, the man on 70% said his comments were despicable. 50%? No, I don't think so. Will be get 20%? Not a chance in hell. If he gets 5% I'll consider it a miracle. Guess what lads, he's not speaking for very many people at all it would seem.
His rating was already abysmal before the comments. "It was but given his positive reception here I'm sure he'll be a contender by the weekend. | |||
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"Regardless of anyones views on travellers a presidential candidate does not have the right to make comments such as he has done. An Irish President with racist views is no better than the umpa loompa across the water. " The current president expressed many non-constitutional views and not one person ever complained. He was even for removal of human rights from certain sections of Ireland and no one gave him stink for it. | |||
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"Fair fucks to him for saying out loud what lots of people are thinking With a name like Casey.. there's some traveller in him !! So then he is allowed say bad things about them if he wants, like black people can use that word white people cant, you know the word." You can use that word. It's not illegal. But a) dont be surprised if people judge you, and b) why would you want to? | |||
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"Regardless of anyones views on travellers a presidential candidate does not have the right to make comments such as he has done. An Irish President with racist views is no better than the umpa loompa across the water. The current president expressed many non-constitutional views and not one person ever complained. He was even for removal of human rights from certain sections of Ireland and no one gave him stink for it." Big difference to hate speech on national tv | |||
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"The most entitled group in Irish society. A vastly disproportionate number in prison compared to "settled" people. It isn't a coincidence there is a shared perception of travellers. I'm sure there are some that buck the trend but the vast majority are a drain on society. The recent issue with stables being demanded to move into new homes is nothing short of madness. The default "can't tar them all with one brush" tends to identify a small number of exceptions as the majority. Will Casey get my vote ? No , he won't but I agree with him 100% on that. He's dead right when it comes to the house prices. I've worked in a few different industries over the years and bar none the worst experiences in each were with travellers. I don't see why they are entitled to special treatment. They want much more from society than they provide for it. Fair play to Casey on what he said. It doesn't add or take away from any of his other positions for me. As a singular issue I couldn't agree with him more. " | |||
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"Regardless of anyones views on travellers a presidential candidate does not have the right to make comments such as he has done. An Irish President with racist views is no better than the umpa loompa across the water. The current president expressed many non-constitutional views and not one person ever complained. He was even for removal of human rights from certain sections of Ireland and no one gave him stink for it. Big difference to hate speech on national tv" | |||
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"I don't think I've ever seen so much sweeping generalisation in one thread before.
Is there exceptions to the generalisations ? Yes.
Are the generalisations more true than false ?
Which of them do you the opposite to what has been claimed would be a more accurate description of objective reakity ?
Generalisations of any kind are wrong. I hope you're not suggesting that bringing belonging to any group makes a person guilty of whatever you believe the majority of that group to be guilty of. That's just laziness of thought, not to mention ignorance.
I'm kinda surprised at you being one of the people generalising given your constant outbursts against Donald Trump for his generalised comments about various minorities.
Should a minority group be given special treatment over the general population? And if so why ?
What is it that they're entitled to that what you call "the general population" in the same position aren't entitled to?
A half acre paddock with 2 stables for each house built in tipp at a cost of 1.7 million for 5 houses "Yeah... Except thats not actually true. A large family has lived on a site in Tipp for 40 years. They are being moved into houses by the council and the family has agreed, but always said they needed grazing land for their horses. Never requested stables, said theyd build them themselves. But the council never provided the grazing land and so they don't want to move. Theyve said theyd happily rent the grazing land but couldn't afford to buy it. They have said they don't want houses going to waste and so theyve requested the council use it for social housing. | |||
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"pull ease save us the theatrics. Or maybe don't. Because Casey is brave enough to point out the reality of traveller "culture " he will no doubt go down in a hail of liberal abuse which agrees there should be free speech provided your speech agrees with liberal thought....." Not an inverted-commas culture, but an ethnicity recognised by the state. Fine Gael in fact, that well-known bunch of hippies | |||
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"I don't think I've ever seen so much sweeping generalisation in one thread before.
Is there exceptions to the generalisations ? Yes.
Are the generalisations more true than false ?
Which of them do you the opposite to what has been claimed would be a more accurate description of objective reakity ?
Generalisations of any kind are wrong. I hope you're not suggesting that bringing belonging to any group makes a person guilty of whatever you believe the majority of that group to be guilty of. That's just laziness of thought, not to mention ignorance.
I'm kinda surprised at you being one of the people generalising given your constant outbursts against Donald Trump for his generalised comments about various minorities.
Should a minority group be given special treatment over the general population? And if so why ?
What is it that they're entitled to that what you call "the general population" in the same position aren't entitled to?
A half acre paddock with 2 stables for each house built in tipp at a cost of 1.7 million for 5 houses
Yeah... Except thats not actually true. A large family has lived on a site in Tipp for 40 years. They are being moved into houses by the council and the family has agreed, but always said they needed grazing land for their horses. Never requested stables, said theyd build them themselves. But the council never provided the grazing land and so they don't want to move. Theyve said theyd happily rent the grazing land but couldn't afford to buy it. They have said they don't want houses going to waste and so theyve requested the council use it for social housing."tks for clearing that up delighted to hear houses that our taxes payed for will be used | |||
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"I'll tell you what... Since Peter Casey is supposedly speaking for some sort of silent majority, or at least substantial minority, let's see how many votes his extreme views get him. Reading through this thread you'd expect at least 70%. Oh no wait, the man on 70% said his comments were despicable. 50%? No, I don't think so. Will be get 20%? Not a chance in hell. If he gets 5% I'll consider it a miracle. Guess what lads, he's not speaking for very many people at all it would seem.
His rating was already abysmal before the comments.
It was but given his positive reception here I'm sure he'll be a contender by the weekend. "Ha ha boll#x the man made a point. If your given a state of the art free house you should except it. Travellers have tarnished the homeless crisis with this refusal to accept a house.A family has another night of hell in a hotel room! They have now blockaded those houses so no one can have them!! Ffs get with the program. Ive dealt with them and i can safely say they care fck all about anything. Case well know traveller organisation got supplied with equipment for there so called love of equine sport .. A wk later everything they got had been cut up an burned  | |||
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"I don't think I've ever seen so much sweeping generalisation in one thread before.
Is there exceptions to the generalisations ? Yes.
Are the generalisations more true than false ?
Which of them do you the opposite to what has been claimed would be a more accurate description of objective reakity ?
Generalisations of any kind are wrong. I hope you're not suggesting that bringing belonging to any group makes a person guilty of whatever you believe the majority of that group to be guilty of. That's just laziness of thought, not to mention ignorance.
I'm kinda surprised at you being one of the people generalising given your constant outbursts against Donald Trump for his generalised comments about various minorities.
Should a minority group be given special treatment over the general population? And if so why ?
What is it that they're entitled to that what you call "the general population" in the same position aren't entitled to?
A half acre paddock with 2 stables for each house built in tipp at a cost of 1.7 million for 5 houses
Yeah... Except thats not actually true. A large family has lived on a site in Tipp for 40 years. They are being moved into houses by the council and the family has agreed, but always said they needed grazing land for their horses. Never requested stables, said theyd build them themselves. But the council never provided the grazing land and so they don't want to move. Theyve said theyd happily rent the grazing land but couldn't afford to buy it. They have said they don't want houses going to waste and so theyve requested the council use it for social housing."where were they grazing the horses before they got the houses ..is it only since they got the free houses that can't afford to graze the horses. | |||
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"I'll tell you what... Since Peter Casey is supposedly speaking for some sort of silent majority, or at least substantial minority, let's see how many votes his extreme views get him. Reading through this thread you'd expect at least 70%. Oh no wait, the man on 70% said his comments were despicable. 50%? No, I don't think so. Will be get 20%? Not a chance in hell. If he gets 5% I'll consider it a miracle. Guess what lads, he's not speaking for very many people at all it would seem.
His rating was already abysmal before the comments.
It was but given his positive reception here I'm sure he'll be a contender by the weekend.
Ha ha boll#x the man made a point. If your given a state of the art free house you should except it.
Travellers have tarnished the homeless crisis with this refusal to accept a house.A family has another night of hell in a hotel room!
They have now blockaded those houses so no one can have them!!
Ffs get with the program.
Ive dealt with them and i can safely say they care fck all about anything.
Case well know traveller organisation got supplied with equipment for there so called love of equine sport .. A wk later everything they got had been cut up an burned "Such nonsense.. Following that logic when a non traveller refuses a house then all of us non travellers are a leeches on society. Hmm, non travellers rejecting housing offers is not as uncommon as you seem to think. | |||
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"They have in their hoop blockaded the houses. And yes, its undeniable that there are problems in the travelling community with crime and anti-social behaviour. But if you ghettoize a community and treat them like second-class citizens, thats going to create the environment for these issues to flourish. Irish example, Ballymun flats. Was that because Dubliners are feral animals? Or was it because they were treated as an afterthought as best, or more accurately like the shit you'd find on your shoe?" | |||
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"..is it only since they got the free houses that can't afford to graze the horses. " Theyve been grazing them on the temporary site (theyve been on for 40 years) that the council are moving them on from | |||
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"..is it only since they got the free houses that can't afford to graze the horses. Theyve been grazing them on the temporary site (theyve been on for 40 years) that the council are moving them on from" you sure.?not much grass on a bridge.. | |||
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"..is it only since they got the free houses that can't afford to graze the horses. Theyve been grazing them on the temporary site (theyve been on for 40 years) that the council are moving them on fromyou sure.?not much grass on a bridge.." Difficult to live on a bridge too. Going by a few different newspaper articles that say they've been grazing them on their current site. If you know different I'll gladly concede that point | |||
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"He’s right. It’s refreshing to hear some truths after all the strategic and insincere PC bullshit we have to put up with. The travelers have a sense of entitlement that the taxpayers and government should or be providing everything for them. I have no time for them. Speaking of travelers how are so many Eastern Europeans and Middle East migrants are coming here. Enough now by far. Irexit is way to go and stop this avalanche of uncontrolled immigration. These immigrants will be asking us and our children in years to come what we are doing here. Enough "Political Correctness is basic manners. What exactly is the problem with that? Irexit? Goosestep away my dude. You speak English, not some ancient druidic glot. And your profile says you live in D6. Bloody Normans, coming over here and establishing villages. Political Correctness gorn maaaaad! | |||
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"He’s right. It’s refreshing to hear some truths after all the strategic and insincere PC bullshit we have to put up with. The travelers have a sense of entitlement that the taxpayers and government should or be providing everything for them. I have no time for them. Speaking of travelers how are so many Eastern Europeans and Middle East migrants are coming here. Enough now by far. Irexit is way to go and stop this avalanche of uncontrolled immigration. These immigrants will be asking us and our children in years to come what we are doing here. Enough "Mother of God!
Lol, there's just no answer to that level of paranoia and suspicion
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"I don't think I've ever seen so much sweeping generalisation in one thread before.
Is there exceptions to the generalisations ? Yes.
Are the generalisations more true than false ?
Which of them do you the opposite to what has been claimed would be a more accurate description of objective reakity ?
Generalisations of any kind are wrong. I hope you're not suggesting that bringing belonging to any group makes a person guilty of whatever you believe the majority of that group to be guilty of. That's just laziness of thought, not to mention ignorance.
I'm kinda surprised at you being one of the people generalising given your constant outbursts against Donald Trump for his generalised comments about various minorities.
Should a minority group be given special treatment over the general population? And if so why ?
What is it that they're entitled to that what you call "the general population" in the same position aren't entitled to?
A half acre paddock with 2 stables for each house built in tipp at a cost of 1.7 million for 5 houses
Yeah... Except thats not actually true. A large family has lived on a site in Tipp for 40 years. They are being moved into houses by the council and the family has agreed, but always said they needed grazing land for their horses. Never requested stables, said theyd build them themselves. But the council never provided the grazing land and so they don't want to move. Theyve said theyd happily rent the grazing land but couldn't afford to buy it. They have said they don't want houses going to waste and so theyve requested the council use it for social housing."So they said use it for social housing but blocked entrance to the new houses interesting  | |||
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"May I just list a few things here at this point. I've lived in Dublin for the last 34 years. . In that time I've had two flats and one house broken into with various valuables taken in each case. I've had one car stolen and burned. I've had two other cars broken into and the radio stolen from one, some bits and bobs taken from the boot of the other. The locks were badly damaged on both. I've had a bicycle nicked as well. . Now.. The two lads who broke into one of my flats were caught about an hour later breaking into another house.. Both were from Dublin. Neither were travellers. . The guy who stole the car that ended up on a bonfire was from Dublin... Not a traveller either. . The gang that must recently broke into my house were caught in possession of some of my stuff a week later were from Kildare... None of them were travellers. . Oh, and a guy who was caught on CCTV breaking into one of my cars was from Galway and wasn't a traveller. . Can I hear some of the people generalising about travellers say that all non travellers are guilty of these crimes now as well please? " Jesus u are very unlucky to have had that many crimes committed against u get two large dogs like i have and watch somebody climb over my high gate its great fun to watch lol i also have it on cctv | |||
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"May I just list a few things here at this point. I've lived in Dublin for the last 34 years. . In that time I've had two flats and one house broken into with various valuables taken in each case. I've had one car stolen and burned. I've had two other cars broken into and the radio stolen from one, some bits and bobs taken from the boot of the other. The locks were badly damaged on both. I've had a bicycle nicked as well. . Now.. The two lads who broke into one of my flats were caught about an hour later breaking into another house.. Both were from Dublin. Neither were travellers. . The guy who stole the car that ended up on a bonfire was from Dublin... Not a traveller either. . The gang that must recently broke into my house were caught in possession of some of my stuff a week later were from Kildare... None of them were travellers. . Oh, and a guy who was caught on CCTV breaking into one of my cars was from Galway and wasn't a traveller. . Can I hear some of the people generalising about travellers say that all non travellers are guilty of these crimes now as well please? Jesus u are very unlucky to have had that many crimes committed against u get two large dogs like i have and watch somebody climb over my high gate its great fun to watch lol i also have it on cctv" That's over a thirty-four year period, the first few years of which was spent close to the inner city when things were really bad. Its not actually that bad when you think about it. | |||
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"May I just list a few things here at this point. I've lived in Dublin for the last 34 years. . In that time I've had two flats and one house broken into with various valuables taken in each case. I've had one car stolen and burned. I've had two other cars broken into and the radio stolen from one, some bits and bobs taken from the boot of the other. The locks were badly damaged on both. I've had a bicycle nicked as well. . Now.. The two lads who broke into one of my flats were caught about an hour later breaking into another house.. Both were from Dublin. Neither were travellers. . The guy who stole the car that ended up on a bonfire was from Dublin... Not a traveller either. . The gang that must recently broke into my house were caught in possession of some of my stuff a week later were from Kildare... None of them were travellers. . Oh, and a guy who was caught on CCTV breaking into one of my cars was from Galway and wasn't a traveller. . Can I hear some of the people generalising about travellers say that all non travellers are guilty of these crimes now as well please? Jesus u are very unlucky to have had that many crimes committed against u get two large dogs like i have and watch somebody climb over my high gate its great fun to watch lol i also have it on cctv That's over a thirty-four year period, the first few years of which was spent close to the inner city when things were really bad. Its not actually that bad when you think about it. " 8 acts of crime against u already in your life i would say is much higher than the norm | |||
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"Still to meet a decent, respectful traveller since i have lived on this planet. Left wing fucking hippies obviously never had the misfortune to have to deal with them growing up in a rough council estate like i have. " oh, an anecdote. here's mine. In primary school with a couple of families. Most of the traveller kids were great craic. Some were dicks, standard enough. I was pals with one. Proper fun. Kind. Sound out. Teachers and parents treated him like shite, to the point that it was obvious to a snot nosed pup such as my 6 year old self. Hung himself the summer before secondary school. Im not sure how respectful he was. Promise you he was decent | |||
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"He’s right. It’s refreshing to hear some truths after all the strategic and insincere PC bullshit we have to put up with. The travelers have a sense of entitlement that the taxpayers and government should or be providing everything for them. I have no time for them. Speaking of travelers how are so many Eastern Europeans and Middle East migrants are coming here. Enough now by far. Irexit is way to go and stop this avalanche of uncontrolled immigration. These immigrants will be asking us and our children in years to come what we are doing here. Enough
Political Correctness is basic manners. What exactly is the problem with that?
Irexit? Goosestep away my dude.
You speak English, not some ancient druidic glot. And your profile says you live in D6. Bloody Normans, coming over here and establishing villages. Political Correctness gorn maaaaad!"Political correctness is not just basic manners. #metoo rubbish etc Europe has screwed this county over the bank bailout and will screw us again if the going gets tough. ( note Greece and Cyprus) Europe doesn’t give a damn about Ireland. But we still have to have half of the Romanian, Polish and Hungarian gypsies setting up shop here. Give me a break. Who are these people? How can do many people come here,and even when illegal immigrants have their asylum denied they stay fighting it for 10 years until school kids are protesting at the Dail for their illegal immigrant classmates to stay in Ireland.. and guess what Ladies and gentlemen they get regularised and are permitted to stay!! Have to live somewhere, D6 is just fine and it resembles Ireland not like a lot of other places. Fortunately as indigenous population I am able to converse fluently in Irish and English as I deem appropriate. A lot of people don’t see the country is being overwhelmed by uncontrolled immigration and it will not end well. Irexit is the way to go. | |||
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"May I just list a few things here at this point. I've lived in Dublin for the last 34 years. . In that time I've had two flats and one house broken into with various valuables taken in each case. I've had one car stolen and burned. I've had two other cars broken into and the radio stolen from one, some bits and bobs taken from the boot of the other. The locks were badly damaged on both. I've had a bicycle nicked as well. . Now.. The two lads who broke into one of my flats were caught about an hour later breaking into another house.. Both were from Dublin. Neither were travellers. . The guy who stole the car that ended up on a bonfire was from Dublin... Not a traveller either. . The gang that must recently broke into my house were caught in possession of some of my stuff a week later were from Kildare... None of them were travellers. . Oh, and a guy who was caught on CCTV breaking into one of my cars was from Galway and wasn't a traveller. . Can I hear some of the people generalising about travellers say that all non travellers are guilty of these crimes now as well please? Jesus u are very unlucky to have had that many crimes committed against u get two large dogs like i have and watch somebody climb over my high gate its great fun to watch lol i also have it on cctv That's over a thirty-four year period, the first few years of which was spent close to the inner city when things were really bad. Its not actually that bad when you think about it. 8 acts of crime against u already in your life i would say is much higher than the norm "It's not if you consider that the bike, the flats and the burned out car were all in a 14 month period in the late eighties. I have to laugh when I hear people talking about the way crime is rife in Dublin these days. Its sterile compared to the eighties,especially if you were living in flatland. | |||
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"Political correctness is not just basic manners. #metoo rubbish etc Europe has screwed this county over the bank bailout and will screw us again if the going gets tough. ( note Greece and Cyprus) Europe doesn’t give a damn about Ireland. But we still have to have half of the Romanian, Polish and Hungarian gypsies setting up shop here. Give me a break. Who are these people? How can do many people come here,and even when illegal immigrants have their asylum denied they stay fighting it for 10 years until school kids are protesting at the Dail for their illegal immigrant classmates to stay in Ireland.. and guess what Ladies and gentlemen they get regularised and are permitted to stay!! Have to live somewhere, D6 is just fine and it resembles Ireland not like a lot of other places. Fortunately as indigenous population I am able to converse fluently in Irish and English as I deem appropriate. A lot of people don’t see the country is being overwhelmed by uncontrolled immigration and it will not end well. Irexit is the way to go." Political Correctness is an attempt to avoid language or actions that insult or marginalize groups that are socially disadvantaged. So not being a dick, basically. #Metoo is easy to dismiss when its reduced to a hashtag. What its actually about is bringing to light all these forms of sexual assault that so many women experience. Don't see a problem with that. Im not getting into Irexit with you, or anyone. But why are you ok with the normans coming over here, but not those fabulous magyars, for example? Thought youd be right onboard with Orban | |||
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"Couple of points. I find Michael McCarthy complaining about others using generalisations a bit rich considering his first response to my post was to accuse those who agreed with Peter Casey on this point of been Nazi sympathisers. Pot kettle black much? Secondly, I have no intention of voting for Peter Casey. Hes an idiot. It just happens that in the same way a stopped clock is right twice a day, he hits on one that is worth saying but everyone is shit scared of saying it. When I was a small child, a "tinker woman" used to call to my house every Saturday morning. My mother and she would chat about family and the world in general for 10 minutes at the door before my mother would go to the kitchen and give out a bottle of milk or eggs or some such item. She explained that my grandmother used to do the same with the womans mother. It had gone on for generations. The reason they were called tinkers was because up to that time they travelled around repairing tin pots and other items. Hence tinkers. It wasnt a pejorative terms back then. It wasnt a very positive term either but back in the 1970s there were lots of terms used by lots of people that would not be used now. As such this distinct group of people had a very particular role in society and had done for generations. They were an integral part of a dirt poor society and were accepted for that. Every "settled" person knew a travller family by first name. What then happened in the 1970s was the welfare state and car insurance scams. As the EEC brought less poverty, the disposable nature of society came to the fore and the connection was lost. The travelling community are nothing if not adaptable and when one source of income dried up they found new ones. Its a great pity that they didnt manage to get involved in larger scale recycling back then because it was an area they had a skill at and we would we having a far different conversation now about traveller culture. The notion that they are reliant on the state for the entire of their income is a completely new one. the woman who called to my mother never had that thought. She provided for her family as best she could in a tough world. Similarly the young traveller women who walk around wearing next to nothing didn't exist up to the early 90s. It is a completely novel creation of modern times. Therefore the notion that "society" owes them a living or has to accept all they do is ignorant and wrong. Every member of a society needs to contribute according to their ability and where they need a helping hand they get it. But the lack of ambition for travellers and among travellers is appalling and a waste of their talent. The most we expect from young travellers is that they might get as far as a junior cert and then go on the dole. Their mortality rate, their health mental and physical is appalling. They have completely become disengaged from the settled community and all that happened in 40 years. It happened in my view because they got anointed with a special status that encourages a them and us mentality. There is nothing special about been born into an impoverished state where there is no expectation from your family or community that you will improve yourself. There is no expectation that you will work or contribute to society. You are brought up to see the state as a hand that gives and car insurance as a way to make a few pound. This is a universal attitude. And the standard response of the likes of Pavee point when a scumbag traveller does something beyond horror such as assaulting an elderly person in their home as "dont paint all travellers with this" is a cop out. We arent painting all travellers with it. But there is a significant number of members of that community who have grown up with an attitude that the settled community is there to be used and abused. And while that attitude is allowed to go unchecked that separation between settled and traveller will grow and grow as it has for 40 years and will ultimately need to conflict. " bravo sir. | |||
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"He’s right. It’s refreshing to hear some truths after all the strategic and insincere PC bullshit we have to put up with. The travelers have a sense of entitlement that the taxpayers and government should or be providing everything for them. I have no time for them. Speaking of travelers how are so many Eastern Europeans and Middle East migrants are coming here. Enough now by far. Irexit is way to go and stop this avalanche of uncontrolled immigration. These immigrants will be asking us and our children in years to come what we are doing here. Enough
Political Correctness is basic manners. What exactly is the problem with that?
Irexit? Goosestep away my dude.
You speak English, not some ancient druidic glot. And your profile says you live in D6. Bloody Normans, coming over here and establishing villages. Political Correctness gorn maaaaad!
Political correctness is not just basic manners. #metoo rubbish etc
Europe has screwed this county over the bank bailout and will screw us again if the going gets tough. ( note Greece and Cyprus) Europe doesn’t give a damn about Ireland. But we still have to have half of the Romanian, Polish and Hungarian gypsies setting up shop here. Give me a break. Who are these people? How can do many people come here,and even when illegal immigrants have their asylum denied they stay fighting it for 10 years until school kids are protesting at the Dail for their illegal immigrant classmates to stay in Ireland.. and guess what Ladies and gentlemen they get regularised and are permitted to stay!!
Have to live somewhere, D6 is just fine and it resembles Ireland not like a lot of other places. Fortunately as indigenous population I am able to converse fluently in Irish and English as I deem appropriate.
A lot of people don’t see the country is being overwhelmed by uncontrolled immigration and it will not end well.
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"The most entitled group in Irish society. A vastly disproportionate number in prison compared to "settled" people. It isn't a coincidence there is a shared perception of travellers. I'm sure there are some that buck the trend but the vast majority are a drain on society. The recent issue with stables being demanded to move into new homes is nothing short of madness. The default "can't tar them all with one brush" tends to identify a small number of exceptions as the majority. Will Casey get my vote ? No , he won't but I agree with him 100% on that. He's dead right when it comes to the house prices. I've worked in a few different industries over the years and bar none the worst experiences in each were with travellers. I don't see why they are entitled to special treatment. They want much more from society than they provide for it. Fair play to Casey on what he said. It doesn't add or take away from any of his other positions for me. As a singular issue I couldn't agree with him more. " | |||
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"In fairness Michael its the first and second posts on this thread. Theres not an awful lot in the two posts and its fairly obvious that you were equating my comment about what Peter Casey said with the extermination of Jews.... " You used the expression 'lots of people ". I used the same expression. It is not a generalisation in either case. Kindly point out my generalisation | |||
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"Peruser, You are rather agreeing with Peter Casey there. As far as I can see the purpose of the special status was to encourage the preservation of their "culture". I keep putting this in parenethesis because Im sorry but spending 10 grand on a communion day that involves horse drawn crystal carriages, dresses that sexualise 7 year olds and 12 year olds wearing less than prostitutes is not culture. Its consumerism gone ballistic. The agrarian society where everyone but a handful were uneducated and dirt poor and the travellers were just a bit more dirt poor is gone. Id love to see what part of this unique ethnic culture we are supposed to be preserving? The cooked breakfast at 10 am fed to universally obese men by women who are obliged to cook for them? It needs a new purpose not reinforcing a world thats gone. " Tom firstly I apologise O disagree with you but I did make a throw away comment earlier in the thread directed towsrds Casey not you in relation to the Holocost and Muslims if you thought I ment you my bad. I have worked with Traveller groups and yes there are some that fit the steriotypes like all walks of lifebut really many the vast majority I have dealt are the very same as the rest of us. They are funny, care deeply about their families and were very grateful for the help and support they recieved. I do think that you have a sensationalised view of travellers. | |||
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"Regardless of anyones views on travellers a presidential candidate does not have the right to make comments such as he has done. An Irish President with racist views is no better than the umpa loompa across the water. " Racist lol. | |||
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"I'll tell you what... Since Peter Casey is supposedly speaking for some sort of silent majority, or at least substantial minority, let's see how many votes his extreme views get him. Reading through this thread you'd expect at least 70%. Oh no wait, the man on 70% said his comments were despicable. 50%? No, I don't think so. Will be get 20%? Not a chance in hell. If he gets 5% I'll consider it a miracle. Guess what lads, he's not speaking for very many people at all it would seem.
His rating was already abysmal before the comments.
It was but given his positive reception here I'm sure he'll be a contender by the weekend.
Ha ha boll#x the man made a point. If your given a state of the art free house you should except it.
Travellers have tarnished the homeless crisis with this refusal to accept a house.A family has another night of hell in a hotel room!
They have now blockaded those houses so no one can have them!!
Ffs get with the program.
Ive dealt with them and i can safely say they care fck all about anything.
Case well know traveller organisation got supplied with equipment for there so called love of equine sport .. A wk later everything they got had been cut up an burned
Such nonsense.. Following that logic when a non traveller refuses a house then all of us non travellers are a leeches on society. Hmm, non travellers rejecting housing offers is not as uncommon as you seem to think.
"I didn't say it was uncommon! For anyone to refuse a free house is not nonsense! Also as you washed over my point about the very expensive equipment which included sulky racers that cost close to a grand to be burned and wrecked and them to come back and ask them to be replaced a wk later ..something wrong there boss! | |||
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"I don’t think fab should allow topics like this, isn’t this meant to be a swinging and sexual fun site. However, While I’m here I agree with him that it’s disgraceful that travelers refused to move into the houses built for them (by us taxpayers) because of stables. The PC liberal looneys as usual jumping on it. He is only stating what the country is feeling. The PC brigade would want to get a grip of themselves. There are farmers nationwide who are terrified by travelers and do gooders expect those people not to react. It is not hate crime/ bigoted to state what is common knowledge and comparing Peter Casey to Hitler is plain dumb and the person who said that has completely missed Mr Caseys point. The do gooders would want to get over themselves and start standing up for ordinary hard working people of this country and not thief’s and freeloaders like Maggie Cash (yes she’s up in court for Shoplifting, imagine that!!) and those thurles travellers and stop this constant self entitled outrage of what they said, what “they’ve done” No one can say anything anymore, have an opinion if it doesn’t agree with the beliefs of liberal looney pc do gooders, the very opposite of what liberalism stands for!!" Haha.. He is in his hole saying what the country is feeling, unless you consider the tiny percentage of votes that he'll get as being somehow reflective of the people of Ireland. | |||
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"I'll tell you what... Since Peter Casey is supposedly speaking for some sort of silent majority, or at least substantial minority, let's see how many votes his extreme views get him. Reading through this thread you'd expect at least 70%. Oh no wait, the man on 70% said his comments were despicable. 50%? No, I don't think so. Will be get 20%? Not a chance in hell. If he gets 5% I'll consider it a miracle. Guess what lads, he's not speaking for very many people at all it would seem.
His rating was already abysmal before the comments.
It was but given his positive reception here I'm sure he'll be a contender by the weekend.
Ha ha boll#x the man made a point. If your given a state of the art free house you should except it.
Travellers have tarnished the homeless crisis with this refusal to accept a house.A family has another night of hell in a hotel room!
They have now blockaded those houses so no one can have them!!
Ffs get with the program.
Ive dealt with them and i can safely say they care fck all about anything.
Case well know traveller organisation got supplied with equipment for there so called love of equine sport .. A wk later everything they got had been cut up an burned
Such nonsense.. Following that logic when a non traveller refuses a house then all of us non travellers are a leeches on society. Hmm, non travellers rejecting housing offers is not as uncommon as you seem to think.
I didn't say it was uncommon!
For anyone to refuse a free house is not nonsense!
Also as you washed over my point about the very expensive equipment which included sulky racers that cost close to a grand to be burned and wrecked and them to come back and ask them to be replaced a wk later ..something wrong there boss!"You used the case you mentioned to tarnish all travellers. How come you don't use examples of non travellers turning down houses to tarnish all non travellers? | |||
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"I don't think I've ever seen so much sweeping generalisation in one thread before.
Is there exceptions to the generalisations ? Yes.
Are the generalisations more true than false ?
Which of them do you the opposite to what has been claimed would be a more accurate description of objective reakity ?
Generalisations of any kind are wrong. I hope you're not suggesting that bringing belonging to any group makes a person guilty of whatever you believe the majority of that group to be guilty of. That's just laziness of thought, not to mention ignorance.
I'm kinda surprised at you being one of the people generalising given your constant outbursts against Donald Trump for his generalised comments about various minorities.
Should a minority group be given special treatment over the general population? And if so why ?
What is it that they're entitled to that what you call "the general population" in the same position aren't entitled to?
A half acre paddock with 2 stables for each house built in tipp at a cost of 1.7 million for 5 houses
Yeah... Except thats not actually true. A large family has lived on a site in Tipp for 40 years. They are being moved into houses by the council and the family has agreed, but always said they needed grazing land for their horses. Never requested stables, said theyd build them themselves. But the council never provided the grazing land and so they don't want to move. Theyve said theyd happily rent the grazing land but couldn't afford to buy it. They have said they don't want houses going to waste and so theyve requested the council use it for social housing."After reading an article written by tipp county council it stated they are looking for land and 2 stables for each house not that they will build them themselves i tbink it's important to have the correct facts before u comment | |||
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"I don’t think fab should allow topics like this, isn’t this meant to be a swinging and sexual fun site. However, While I’m here I agree with him that it’s disgraceful that travelers refused to move into the houses built for them (by us taxpayers) because of stables. The PC liberal looneys as usual jumping on it. He is only stating what the country is feeling. The PC brigade would want to get a grip of themselves. There are farmers nationwide who are terrified by travelers and do gooders expect those people not to react. It is not hate crime/ bigoted to state what is common knowledge and comparing Peter Casey to Hitler is plain dumb and the person who said that has completely missed Mr Caseys point. The do gooders would want to get over themselves and start standing up for ordinary hard working people of this country and not thief’s and freeloaders like Maggie Cash (yes she’s up in court for Shoplifting, imagine that!!) and those thurles travellers and stop this constant self entitled outrage of what they said, what “they’ve done” No one can say anything anymore, have an opinion if it doesn’t agree with the beliefs of liberal looney pc do gooders, the very opposite of what liberalism stands for!! Haha.. He is in his hole saying what the country is feeling, unless you consider the tiny percentage of votes that he'll get as being somehow reflective of the people of Ireland. "I would think that most people think it’s shameful that 6 houses purposely built for these people lie empty. Considering the housing crisis we currently have that is. | |||
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"I'll tell you what... Since Peter Casey is supposedly speaking for some sort of silent majority, or at least substantial minority, let's see how many votes his extreme views get him. Reading through this thread you'd expect at least 70%. Oh no wait, the man on 70% said his comments were despicable. 50%? No, I don't think so. Will be get 20%? Not a chance in hell. If he gets 5% I'll consider it a miracle. Guess what lads, he's not speaking for very many people at all it would seem.
His rating was already abysmal before the comments.
It was but given his positive reception here I'm sure he'll be a contender by the weekend.
Ha ha boll#x the man made a point. If your given a state of the art free house you should except it.
Travellers have tarnished the homeless crisis with this refusal to accept a house.A family has another night of hell in a hotel room!
They have now blockaded those houses so no one can have them!!
Ffs get with the program.
Ive dealt with them and i can safely say they care fck all about anything.
Case well know traveller organisation got supplied with equipment for there so called love of equine sport .. A wk later everything they got had been cut up an burned
Such nonsense.. Following that logic when a non traveller refuses a house then all of us non travellers are a leeches on society. Hmm, non travellers rejecting housing offers is not as uncommon as you seem to think.
I didn't say it was uncommon!
For anyone to refuse a free house is not nonsense!
Also as you washed over my point about the very expensive equipment which included sulky racers that cost close to a grand to be burned and wrecked and them to come back and ask them to be replaced a wk later ..something wrong there boss!
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"Indeed... Lots of people thought Jews were a problem all across Europe and were delighted when Hitler said what they were all afraid to say themselves. " Are you going to use the Holocaust as an example really....what nxt that we'll be rounding up travellers and putting them in ovens...  .....and it's not as if we can claim we arn't an anti Semitic country since you brought up hitler.. | |||
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"Indeed... Lots of people thought Jews were a problem all across Europe and were delighted when Hitler said what they were all afraid to say themselves. Are you going to use the Holocaust as an example really....what nxt that we'll be rounding up travellers and putting them in ovens... .....and it's not as if we can claim we arn't an anti Semitic country since you brought up hitler.."Hitler killed gypsies. Lots. 25-50% of the European Roma population at the time. I really don't get your second point. Care to shine some knowledge down on me? | |||
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"Indeed... Lots of people thought Jews were a problem all across Europe and were delighted when Hitler said what they were all afraid to say themselves. Are you going to use the Holocaust as an example really....what nxt that we'll be rounding up travellers and putting them in ovens... .....and it's not as if we can claim we arn't an anti Semitic country since you brought up hitler..
Hitler killed gypsies. Lots. 25-50% of the European Roma population at the time.
I really don't get your second point. Care to shine some knowledge down on me?"I know he did....and be killed Russians/poles and countless others two...the second point why use the Jewish people in this debate when we are very good at Israel / Jew bashing in this country... | |||
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"Still to meet a decent, respectful traveller since i have lived on this planet. Left wing fucking hippies obviously never had the misfortune to have to deal with them growing up in a rough council estate like i have. oh, an anecdote. here's mine. In primary school with a couple of families. Most of the traveller kids were great craic. Some were dicks, standard enough. I was pals with one. Proper fun. Kind. Sound out. Teachers and parents treated him like shite, to the point that it was obvious to a snot nosed pup such as my 6 year old self. Hung himself the summer before secondary school. Im not sure how respectful he was. Promise you he was decent" Suicide at any age is tragic but especially so when it involves a child. Yes there may be valid negative bias towards the travelers, but I doubt this is the cause of the recognised higher rate of suicide in the traveling community. It is a vicious and brutal culture where woman and children are routinely beaten and boys and young men in particular would have no easy way to articulate any weakness or insecurity. This lack of family particularly father- son support or if needed access to mental health support and not discrimination against the travelers is most likely cause of high male suicide in the travelers. Yes it is not always right to generalize but my recurrent experience of the vast majority of them is that they are no good. I wish this was not the case. | |||
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"I know he did....and be killed Russians/poles and countless others two...the second point why use the Jewish people in this debate when we are very good at Israel / Jew bashing in this country..." Yeah but it was Jews, Romani and black people that were considered "enemies of the race-based state" as per the Nuremberg laws. And it was largely the firt two groups who were the targets of industrial genocide. Considering the similar treatment of the jewish and gypsy people throughout history, I think its an apt analogy on Mr McCarthy's part. Agree there's latent anti-Semitism.... But Id disagree that criticism of Israel and its actions is anti-Semitic. | |||
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"Still to meet a decent, respectful traveller since i have lived on this planet. Left wing fucking hippies obviously never had the misfortune to have to deal with them growing up in a rough council estate like i have. oh, an anecdote. here's mine. In primary school with a couple of families. Most of the traveller kids were great craic. Some were dicks, standard enough. I was pals with one. Proper fun. Kind. Sound out. Teachers and parents treated him like shite, to the point that it was obvious to a snot nosed pup such as my 6 year old self. Hung himself the summer before secondary school. Im not sure how respectful he was. Promise you he was decent Suicide at any age is tragic but especially so when it involves a child. Yes there may be valid negative bias towards the travelers, but I doubt this is the cause of the recognised higher rate of suicide in the traveling community. It is a vicious and brutal culture where woman and children are routinely beaten and boys and young men in particular would have no easy way to articulate any weakness or insecurity. This lack of family particularly father- son support or if needed access to mental health support and not discrimination against the travelers is most likely cause of high male suicide in the travelers. Yes it is not always right to generalize but my recurrent experience of the vast majority of them is that they are no good. I wish this was not the case." holy fucking shit. Bias is, by dictionary flipping definition, prejudice. And my point has always been that if you treat a community like dirt, you brutalise them, you treat them as less than human, then you'll get individuals that behave accordingly. And using that resulting behaviour as an excuse to further marginalise them is from the same playbook as every opressive regime that has made use of cultural scapegoats. Want a group to behave better? TREAT. THEM. BETTER. | |||
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"Still to meet a decent, respectful traveller since i have lived on this planet. Left wing fucking hippies obviously never had the misfortune to have to deal with them growing up in a rough council estate like i have. oh, an anecdote. here's mine. In primary school with a couple of families. Most of the traveller kids were great craic. Some were dicks, standard enough. I was pals with one. Proper fun. Kind. Sound out. Teachers and parents treated him like shite, to the point that it was obvious to a snot nosed pup such as my 6 year old self. Hung himself the summer before secondary school. Im not sure how respectful he was. Promise you he was decent Suicide at any age is tragic but especially so when it involves a child. Yes there may be valid negative bias towards the travelers, but I doubt this is the cause of the recognised higher rate of suicide in the traveling community. It is a vicious and brutal culture where woman and children are routinely beaten and boys and young men in particular would have no easy way to articulate any weakness or insecurity. This lack of family particularly father- son support or if needed access to mental health support and not discrimination against the travelers is most likely cause of high male suicide in the travelers. Yes it is not always right to generalize but my recurrent experience of the vast majority of them is that they are no good. I wish this was not the case. holy fucking shit. Bias is, by dictionary flipping definition, prejudice. And my point has always been that if you treat a community like dirt, you brutalise them, you treat them as less than human, then you'll get individuals that behave accordingly. And using that resulting behaviour as an excuse to further marginalise them is from the same playbook as every opressive regime that has made use of cultural scapegoats. Want a group to behave better? TREAT. THEM. BETTER." in an ideal world that's how it works but it's not an ideal world and you can bend over backwards for eh minority's and nothing will change.. | |||
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"I don't think I've ever seen so much sweeping generalisation in one thread before. "Went to school with a load of traveller lads. Went to the same youth club, boxing club, discos etc etc have family married to travellers. Yet there's a higher percentage of travellers I wouldn't trust than in the settled community. As for special privileges et al they should be earned not handed out carte blanche. I mostly agree with the op on this. There was a woman of ethnic minority status screaming recently that the government was "robbing her" yet she has never contributed to society apart from adding 7 new members to it. (at the taxpayers expense) | |||
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"I'll tell you what... Since Peter Casey is supposedly speaking for some sort of silent majority, or at least substantial minority, let's see how many votes his extreme views get him. Reading through this thread you'd expect at least 70%. Oh no wait, the man on 70% said his comments were despicable. Votes aside, do you honestly believe that anyone who doesn't want to work or contribute to society deserves to supported by that society? 50%? No, I don't think so. Will be get 20%? Not a chance in hell. If he gets 5% I'll consider it a miracle. Guess what lads, he's not speaking for very many people at all it would seem.
You may have a mind narrow enough to accept that if you know some travellers that don't work then none of them must work. I know otherwise.
In fact if you were listening to the debate about this on the radio earlier you'd have heard some who actually work for a living.
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"Still to meet a decent, respectful traveller since i have lived on this planet. Left wing fucking hippies obviously never had the misfortune to have to deal with them growing up in a rough council estate like i have. oh, an anecdote. here's mine. In primary school with a couple of families. Most of the traveller kids were great craic. Some were dicks, standard enough. I was pals with one. Proper fun. Kind. Sound out. Teachers and parents treated him like shite, to the point that it was obvious to a snot nosed pup such as my 6 year old self. Hung himself the summer before secondary school. Im not sure how respectful he was. Promise you he was decent Suicide at any age is tragic but especially so when it involves a child. Yes there may be valid negative bias towards the travelers, but I doubt this is the cause of the recognised higher rate of suicide in the traveling community. It is a vicious and brutal culture where woman and children are routinely beaten and boys and young men in particular would have no easy way to articulate any weakness or insecurity. This lack of family particularly father- son support or if needed access to mental health support and not discrimination against the travelers is most likely cause of high male suicide in the travelers. Yes it is not always right to generalize but my recurrent experience of the vast majority of them is that they are no good. I wish this was not the case. holy fucking shit. Bias is, by dictionary flipping definition, prejudice. And my point has always been that if you treat a community like dirt, you brutalise them, you treat them as less than human, then you'll get individuals that behave accordingly. And using that resulting behaviour as an excuse to further marginalise them is from the same playbook as every opressive regime that has made use of cultural scapegoats. Want a group to behave better? TREAT. THEM. BETTER." Apologies for any antagonism caused. Genuinely not my intention. I appreciate alternative viewpoint but I strongly disagree with you. You can treat them better, give them special status, give them everything they want. They will take and take and complain and complain and demand more. You can do everything for them and then they will rob or kill you given half a chance. They are no good. I am sure Orbán is not too sorry to see his gypsy population upping sticks in their thousands and coming here. Thanks EU. If I could I would send them all back tomorrow with a random selection of own travelers thrown in for good measure. They bring chaos and crime wherever they go. They are not like us and do not deserve to treated the same. A sad reality for sure. Irexit is the way to go. Have nothing more to to say on this. | |||
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"I know he did....and be killed Russians/poles and countless others two...the second point why use the Jewish people in this debate when we are very good at Israel / Jew bashing in this country... Yeah but it was Jews, Romani and black people that were considered "enemies of the race-based state" as per the Nuremberg laws. And it was largely the firt two groups who were the targets of industrial genocide. Considering the similar treatment of the jewish and gypsy people throughout history, I think its an apt analogy on Mr McCarthy's part. Agree there's latent anti-Semitism.... But Id disagree that criticism of Israel and its actions is anti-Semitic." So Israel shouldn't defend herself or doesn't have a right to exist....the standards that the eu / UN especially ( but liberal mainstream media doesn't help ) holds Israel too,they never have held country's far worse to account...and there are far worse countrys out there. | |||
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"They are not like us and do not deserve to treated the same. A sad reality for sure. Irexit is the way to go. Have nothing more to to say on this. " Wow. I appreciate alternative views, to a point. This is not a view I wish to explore. Travellers are human beings. Treat them like humans. They deserve to be treated like humans. Thats all I wish to say on this. | |||
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"So Israel shouldn't defend herself or doesn't have a right to exist....the standards that the eu / UN especially ( but liberal mainstream media doesn't help ) holds Israel too,they never have held country's far worse to account...and there are far worse countrys out there." Thats quite a leap. Never said any of that. I just think that if Israel does something that warrants criticism, then it should be criticized accordingly. I always thought the jews controlled the liberal media... so whats the deal with them picking on Israel? | |||
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"They are not like us and do not deserve to treated the same. A sad reality for sure. Irexit is the way to go. Have nothing more to to say on this. Wow. I appreciate alternative views, to a point. This is not a view I wish to explore. Travellers are human beings. Treat them like humans. They deserve to be treated like humans. Thats all I wish to say on this." Say that to the 2 that was caught in wexford after cutting the finger off a 82 year old women because her rings would not fit over her knuckles animals she was my relation and had to sit in court listening to their solicitor plead for a softer sentence because they had a hard life she died 9 months later ANIMALS | |||
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"So Israel shouldn't defend herself or doesn't have a right to exist....the standards that the eu / UN especially ( but liberal mainstream media doesn't help ) holds Israel too,they never have held country's far worse to account...and there are far worse countrys out there. Thats quite a leap. Never said any of that. I just think that if Israel does something that warrants criticism, then it should be criticized accordingly. I always thought the jews controlled the liberal media... so whats the deal with them picking on Israel?" thats not anti Jewish at all...the Jews control the liberal media...guess I know what side of the fence your on  ...yes if they do stuff that needs highlighting do so....just wonder would u feel the same if you had 60 sec to get to a shelter and take cover from rockets...critics funnily enough forget that. | |||
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"They are not like us and do not deserve to treated the same. A sad reality for sure. Irexit is the way to go. Have nothing more to to say on this. Wow. I appreciate alternative views, to a point. This is not a view I wish to explore. Travellers are human beings. Treat them like humans. They deserve to be treated like humans. Thats all I wish to say on this. Say that to the 2 that was caught in wexford after cutting the finger off a 82 year old women because her rings would not fit over her knuckles animals she was my relation and had to sit in court listening to their solicitor plead for a softer sentence because they had a hard life she died 9 months later ANIMALS " And back on topic....why would anyone plead for a lesser sentence in a case like that..my god | |||
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"They are not like us and do not deserve to treated the same. A sad reality for sure. Irexit is the way to go. Have nothing more to to say on this. Wow. I appreciate alternative views, to a point. This is not a view I wish to explore. Travellers are human beings. Treat them like humans. They deserve to be treated like humans. Thats all I wish to say on this." They are mostly vermin and should be treated as sutch . Nuff said | |||
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"They are not like us and do not deserve to treated the same. A sad reality for sure. Irexit is the way to go. Have nothing more to to say on this. Wow. I appreciate alternative views, to a point. This is not a view I wish to explore. Travellers are human beings. Treat them like humans. They deserve to be treated like humans. Thats all I wish to say on this. Say that to the 2 that was caught in wexford after cutting the finger off a 82 year old women because her rings would not fit over her knuckles animals she was my relation and had to sit in court listening to their solicitor plead for a softer sentence because they had a hard life she died 9 months later ANIMALS And back on topic....why would anyone plead for a lesser sentence in a case like that..my god "When her son asked the very same question and had to be removed from court by the guards the judge said the solicitor had to do his best by his client by the way us the tax payers paid for his solicitor | |||
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"He’s right. It’s refreshing to hear some truths after all the strategic and insincere PC bullshit we have to put up with. The travelers have a sense of entitlement that the taxpayers and government should or be providing everything for them. I have no time for them. Speaking of travelers how are so many Eastern Europeans and Middle East migrants are coming here. Enough now by far. Irexit is way to go and stop this avalanche of uncontrolled immigration. These immigrants will be asking us and our children in years to come what we are doing here. Enough "Sieg Heil, Herr Captain Underpants | |||
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"So james dos that make you hate every single one of them or just the two that went to court and the justice in Ireland fuckd up again wouldn't be like them" I am sorry my family are not forgiven enough for you | |||
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"He’s right. It’s refreshing to hear some truths after all the strategic and insincere PC bullshit we have to put up with. The travelers have a sense of entitlement that the taxpayers and government should or be providing everything for them. I have no time for them. Speaking of travelers how are so many Eastern Europeans and Middle East migrants are coming here. Enough now by far. Irexit is way to go and stop this avalanche of uncontrolled immigration. These immigrants will be asking us and our children in years to come what we are doing here. Enough
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" Went to school with a load of traveller lads. Went to the same youth club, boxing club, discos etc etc have family married to travellers. Yet there's a higher percentage of travellers I wouldn't trust than in the settled community. As for special privileges et al they should be earned not handed out carte blanche. I mostly agree with the op on this. There was a woman of ethnic minority status screaming recently that the government was "robbing her" yet she has never contributed to society apart from adding 7 new members to it. (at the taxpayers expense) " I've had good and bad experiences with travellers over the years. Same ratio with the so-called 'settled' community. How Casey can criticize Travellers for not paying taxes - whilst the gov.and legal system allow US multinationals and Vulture Funds to pay virtually nothing - marks this guy out for what he is. A fifth-rate Michael O'Leary swimming in neo-liberal, neo-facist dogma, who has distorted the facts around these news stories about the housing and who resorts to inflammatory statements about disenfranchised people who don't really have a voice in the public realm. He's stoking up ancient distrust and ill feeling and using it to try and re-animate his pathetic Presidential campaign. | |||
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"Ah a social justice warrior......" No, just not a racist. Or a facist. | |||
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"Ah a social justice warrior...... No, just not a racist. Or a facist." Yeah antifa like to shout that muck to get people to go silent/intimidate them funny thing is shouting people down,causing damage to everything in sight...hiding behind a mask in a gang as you sucker punch someone or smash them over the head with a bike lock........yeah you'd really have to wonder WHO THE REAL FACISITS are... | |||
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"Jesus this is really opening my eyes..... Who knew we had such narrow minded bigots on fab "I think Casey's comments were incredibly short-sighted, sickeningly selfish and extremely divisive. This is how a certain class of people in power operate though - their job is to keep societal divides open, inflame old battles, divide, distract and conquer. Someone mentioned earlier in the thread that Travellers have no votes. Easy target, easy scapegoat and no lawyers to sue his ass off. | |||
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"Ah a social justice warrior...... No, just not a racist. Or a facist.Yeah antifa like to shout that muck to get people to go silent/intimidate them funny thing is shouting people down,causing damage to everything in sight...hiding behind a mask in a gang as you sucker punch someone or smash them over the head with a bike lock........yeah you'd really have to wonder WHO THE REAL FACISITS are..." Eh ? This has nothing to do with Antifa, darlings. Nor is it about smashing people's heads with bike locks (God knows where you got that image from !). Can we stay on point here ? | |||
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"Jesus this is really opening my eyes..... Who knew we had such narrow minded bigots on fab
I think Casey's comments were incredibly short-sighted, sickeningly selfish and extremely divisive. This is how a certain class of people in power operate though - their job is to keep societal divides open, inflame old battles, divide, distract and conquer. Someone mentioned earlier in the thread that Travellers have no votes. Easy target, easy scapegoat and no lawyers to sue his ass off."Travellers can vote | |||
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"Ah a social justice warrior...... No, just not a racist. Or a facist.Yeah antifa like to shout that muck to get people to go silent/intimidate them funny thing is shouting people down,causing damage to everything in sight...hiding behind a mask in a gang as you sucker punch someone or smash them over the head with a bike lock........yeah you'd really have to wonder WHO THE REAL FACISITS are... Eh ? This has nothing to do with Antifa, darlings. Nor is it about smashing people's heads with bike locks (God knows where you got that image from !). Can we stay on point here ? " you must live a sheltered life images and video of this are out there | |||
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"Agree with him mostly. Travellers go out of there way to operate outside mainstream society but have an over inflated sense of entitlement in my experience." | |||
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" Travellers can vote " Yeah but they don't vote in big numbers since no fixed abode, apathy, illiteracy etc. | |||
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" Travellers can vote Yeah but they don't vote in big numbers since no fixed abode, apathy, illiteracy etc." Not true except for apathy the majority of travellers live in houses or official halting sites so have a fixed abode lets get our facts right before committing the percentage can be found in the censuses 2016 if u do not believe me | |||
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"Agree with him mostly. Travellers go out of there way to operate outside mainstream society but have an over inflated sense of entitlement in my experience. "That's it in a nutshell , if anyone wants to opt out of a mainstream lifestyle that's absolutely fine by me, Just don't ask me to support it financially ! | |||
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" Not true except for apathy the majority of travellers live in houses or official halting sites so have a fixed abode lets get our facts right before committing the percentage can be found in the censuses 2016 if u do not believe me " So I checked the census 2016. Travellers make up less than 1% of the population (this can be expanded if you want to include Roma), 80% of whom are illiterate. True, they can register to vote (though illiteracy stops lots of them doing this) if no fixed abode. So you are right there. But even still, would their voting turnout count for much ? Nah. | |||
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" Not true except for apathy the majority of travellers live in houses or official halting sites so have a fixed abode lets get our facts right before committing the percentage can be found in the censuses 2016 if u do not believe me So I checked the census 2016. Travellers make up less than 1% of the population (this can be expanded if you want to include Roma), 80% of whom are illiterate. True, they can register to vote (though illiteracy stops lots of them doing this) if no fixed abode. So you are right there. But even still, would their voting turnout count for much ? Nah." Their vote has got a county councillor elected in the south east in the past so yes their vote does count was not including roma there is approx 40 thousand travellers in ireland today and everybodys vote counts | |||
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" Their vote has got a county councillor elected in the south east in the past so yes their vote does count was not including roma there is approx 40 thousand travellers in ireland today and everybodys vote counts " Well, it's good to know that their vote counts (just like REAL people, eh ?) But 40,000 people (how many would be of voting age and eligible/arsed to vote ?) is still just 1% of the population. Those numbers aren't going to influence a Presidential election ffs and Casey knows he can say what he likes about them because there's no political blowback. | |||
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"So Israel shouldn't defend herself or doesn't have a right to exist....the standards that the eu / UN especially ( but liberal mainstream media doesn't help ) holds Israel too,they never have held country's far worse to account...and there are far worse countrys out there. Thats quite a leap. Never said any of that. I just think that if Israel does something that warrants criticism, then it should be criticized accordingly. I always thought the jews controlled the liberal media... so whats the deal with them picking on Israel?thats not anti Jewish at all...the Jews control the liberal media...guess I know what side of the fence your on ...yes if they do stuff that needs highlighting do so....just wonder would u feel the same if you had 60 sec to get to a shelter and take cover from rockets...critics funnily enough forget that."I know this is the internet, so thats my fault... I was mocking Mr Irexit using similar tropes his fellow travellers tend to utilise. Surprised no one has mentioned Soros yet. To be clear on this. Im very pro-jewish. Big fan. Not mad on Israel. But sticking to one alt-right talking point for the moment.... | |||
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"They are not like us and do not deserve to treated the same. A sad reality for sure. Irexit is the way to go. Have nothing more to to say on this. Wow. I appreciate alternative views, to a point. This is not a view I wish to explore. Travellers are human beings. Treat them like humans. They deserve to be treated like humans. Thats all I wish to say on this. They are mostly vermin and should be treated as sutch . Nuff said "remy scummy attitude there, in a nutshell. | |||
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"I never said if casey was right or wrong i would not vote for him he is only in the race to throw mud not a hope of winning but if u state something down on a forum make sure its correct for the record the majority of adult travellers have a vote its up to them if they use it or not "Dude - I didn't say that the majority of travellers have no votes - I was actually referring to what KingPin80 said earlier in the thread (scroll back and see). It's a moot point anyway since I provided info about why the Traveller vote is/would be so small. | |||
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" Generalisations of any kind are wrong. I hope you're not suggesting that bringing belonging to any group makes a person guilty of whatever you believe the majority of that group to be guilty of. That's just laziness of thought, not to mention ignorance. I'm kinda surprised at you being one of the people generalising given your constant outbursts against Donald Trump for his generalised comments about various minorities. " 1. "Generalisations of any kind are wrong" is a generalisation so if you are correct it is a paradox that proves you wrong. I would agree people can make statements where certain generalisations can be made by using emotion rather than fact. That can happen either side of the political spectrum to use politics as a spectrum. I specifically said I was sure there was travellers that bucked the trend so in that statement is proof I don't think every traveller is the same. The numbers are there for all to see regarding prison population/unemployment in the traveller community. Yes , I absolutely have a huge issue with Trump when as the POTUS he deals in rhetoric not backed by evidence. Are there people within the communities he attacks guilty of the acts he says they are you'd be hard pressed to say there isn't examples of such behaviour. The trouble is false equivalence. I base what I have said on statistics as opposed to using hatred of a particular group for political gain. Comparing the majority to the minority of two generalisations is philosophically dishonest. Yes. I do find myself on the "left" when I assess my own views but I'm not into identity politics. I try to assess each situation as best I can and in that form my own opinion . I'll listen to ooinions from anyone and commend you on having your own thoughts on this regardless of our differences on the subject. Thread took off after I was last online so at this time of the night I shall say goodnight ! | |||
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" Generalisations of any kind are wrong. I hope you're not suggesting that bringing belonging to any group makes a person guilty of whatever you believe the majority of that group to be guilty of. That's just laziness of thought, not to mention ignorance. I'm kinda surprised at you being one of the people generalising given your constant outbursts against Donald Trump for his generalised comments about various minorities. 1. "Generalisations of any kind are wrong" is a generalisation so if you are correct it is a paradox that proves you wrong. I would agree people can make statements where certain generalisations can be made by using emotion rather than fact. That can happen either side of the political spectrum to use politics as a spectrum. I specifically said I was sure there was travellers that bucked the trend so in that statement is proof I don't think every traveller is the same. The numbers are there for all to see regarding prison population/unemployment in the traveller community. Yes , I absolutely have a huge issue with Trump when as the POTUS he deals in rhetoric not backed by evidence. Are there people within the communities he attacks guilty of the acts he says they are you'd be hard pressed to say there isn't examples of such behaviour. The trouble is false equivalence. I base what I have said on statistics as opposed to using hatred of a particular group for political gain. Comparing the majority to the minority of two generalisations is philosophically dishonest. Yes. I do find myself on the "left" when I assess my own views but I'm not into identity politics. I try to assess each situation as best I can and in that form my own opinion . I'll listen to ooinions from anyone and commend you on having your own thoughts on this regardless of our differences on the subject. Thread took off after I was last online so at this time of the night I shall say goodnight ! " Eh what?
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"Some very ugly people on here, but most of them I noticed before for their spiteful attitude. While quite in numbers on this thread, luckily they're a fab minority. " Its a parade of the usual suspects alright. One or two that I'm a little surprised have come down on the side of bigots | |||
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"Some very ugly people on here, but most of them I noticed before for their spiteful attitude. While quite in numbers on this thread, luckily they're a fab minority. Do you think its a minority that feel this way about travellers in general?" Not wishing to speak for DH, but I really hope so. Do you hope that a majority hate an ethnic majority? | |||
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"Some very ugly people on here, but most of them I noticed before for their spiteful attitude. While quite in numbers on this thread, luckily they're a fab minority. Do you think its a minority that feel this way about travellers in general? Not wishing to speak for DH, but I really hope so. Do you hope that a majority hate an ethnic majority?" Thats a bit of a generalisation that the majority hate travelers.....what is wrong with them having to go buy the law of the land that the rest of us have to go by which most of us do,how does that make us racist. | |||
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"Some very ugly people on here, but most of them I noticed before for their spiteful attitude. While quite in numbers on this thread, luckily they're a fab minority. Do you think its a minority that feel this way about travellers in general? Not wishing to speak for DH, but I really hope so. Do you hope that a majority hate an ethnic majority?Thats a bit of a generalisation that the majority hate travelers.....what is wrong with them having to go buy the law of the land that the rest of us have to go by which most of us do,how does that make us racist." I didn't say the majority hate them. I hope the majority dont. I think that the laws of the land can be unfair to to the travelling community. And some others have alluded to how structural inequality can push memebers of a community into criminality. But no, I dont think travellers shouldn't abide by laws. Thinking they should abide by laws doesnt make someone racist. Calling them vermin and not like us, that they dont deserve to be treated like us is racist. | |||
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"Peter Casey is a bigoted twat. Like a lot of posters on this thread. His comments not only on the travellers but on a wide range of topics are nonsensical. He's a fantisist at best. You can't tar everyone with the same brush. There's good and bad in every walk of life. I was brought up to treat everyone on face value and that's how I bring up my own children. So far so good they are well rounded young men . The thought that they or anyone would treat someone with the hatred shown on this thread has saddened me, but... has shown me a different side to a lot of people. I guess you can't fix stupid. " This
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"How pray tell is Peter Casey a bigoted twat? Travellers are not An ethnic minority" Listen to him and it will become very clear. | |||
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"Some very ugly people on here, but most of them I noticed before for their spiteful attitude. While quite in numbers on this thread, luckily they're a fab minority. Do you think its a minority that feel this way about travellers in general?" I believe that the majority of the irish people is intelligent enough not to join an ugly witch hunt. | |||
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" Generalisations of any kind are wrong. I hope you're not suggesting that bringing belonging to any group makes a person guilty of whatever you believe the majority of that group to be guilty of. That's just laziness of thought, not to mention ignorance. I'm kinda surprised at you being one of the people generalising given your constant outbursts against Donald Trump for his generalised comments about various minorities. 1. "Generalisations of any kind are wrong" is a generalisation so if you are correct it is a paradox that proves you wrong. I would agree people can make statements where certain generalisations can be made by using emotion rather than fact. That can happen either side of the political spectrum to use politics as a spectrum. I specifically said I was sure there was travellers that bucked the trend so in that statement is proof I don't think every traveller is the same. The numbers are there for all to see regarding prison population/unemployment in the traveller community. Yes , I absolutely have a huge issue with Trump when as the POTUS he deals in rhetoric not backed by evidence. Are there people within the communities he attacks guilty of the acts he says they are you'd be hard pressed to say there isn't examples of such behaviour. The trouble is false equivalence. I base what I have said on statistics as opposed to using hatred of a particular group for political gain. Comparing the majority to the minority of two generalisations is philosophically dishonest. Yes. I do find myself on the "left" when I assess my own views but I'm not into identity politics. I try to assess each situation as best I can and in that form my own opinion . I'll listen to ooinions from anyone and commend you on having your own thoughts on this regardless of our differences on the subject. Thread took off after I was last online so at this time of the night I shall say goodnight ! Eh what?
To say that generalisations are wrong is a generalisation? Eh, no, it's not and that's a silly statement.
Right, I've punt from all of that... You use the prison population to determine that the traveller community is a problem. Hmmm, do you do the same thing in the US which you talk about so much? The prison population in the US is dominated by African Americans. More black people are in prison for serious crimes than any other group. More black people have been convicted of murder and more black people have been executed than any other group. Does this mean that black people are a burden on society? Hmm... "Wow. You really haven't a notion. Not a notion how to compare statistics and analyse them. There is a lot more nuance in the American prison system than here. Just to break it down for you. Travellers represent about 0.6% of the population in Ireland and about 10% of the male prison population and about 22% of the female prison population. The black population in America is around 13%/14% of the population and represents about 38% of the prison population. Is there problems with crime in black communities more than white in general ? Yes, I would say there is and many black people will tell you just that. There is also systematic racism within the American system. It's easy to see how shit black people are treated by some cops in the u .s and how the cops get away with what they do contrary to the evidence against them. The numbers you are seemingly saying are comparable are just not. There is a huge disparity . The vitriol against other races is just one of the reasons Trump rose to power. As I said earlier in the thread I won't be voting for Casey in the election. I just happen to agree with him in this scenario . It is possible to agree with someone on a topic without being in their back pocket. | |||
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" Generalisations of any kind are wrong. I hope you're not suggesting that bringing belonging to any group makes a person guilty of whatever you believe the majority of that group to be guilty of. That's just laziness of thought, not to mention ignorance. I'm kinda surprised at you being one of the people generalising given your constant outbursts against Donald Trump for his generalised comments about various minorities. 1. "Generalisations of any kind are wrong" is a generalisation so if you are correct it is a paradox that proves you wrong. I would agree people can make statements where certain generalisations can be made by using emotion rather than fact. That can happen either side of the political spectrum to use politics as a spectrum. I specifically said I was sure there was travellers that bucked the trend so in that statement is proof I don't think every traveller is the same. The numbers are there for all to see regarding prison population/unemployment in the traveller community. Yes , I absolutely have a huge issue with Trump when as the POTUS he deals in rhetoric not backed by evidence. Are there people within the communities he attacks guilty of the acts he says they are you'd be hard pressed to say there isn't examples of such behaviour. The trouble is false equivalence. I base what I have said on statistics as opposed to using hatred of a particular group for political gain. Comparing the majority to the minority of two generalisations is philosophically dishonest. Yes. I do find myself on the "left" when I assess my own views but I'm not into identity politics. I try to assess each situation as best I can and in that form my own opinion . I'll listen to ooinions from anyone and commend you on having your own thoughts on this regardless of our differences on the subject. Thread took off after I was last online so at this time of the night I shall say goodnight ! Eh what?
To say that generalisations are wrong is a generalisation? Eh, no, it's not and that's a silly statement.
Right, I've punt from all of that... You use the prison population to determine that the traveller community is a problem. Hmmm, do you do the same thing in the US which you talk about so much? The prison population in the US is dominated by African Americans. More black people are in prison for serious crimes than any other group. More black people have been convicted of murder and more black people have been executed than any other group. Does this mean that black people are a burden on society? Hmm...
Wow. You really haven't a notion. Not a notion how to compare statistics and analyse them. There is a lot more nuance in the American prison system than here.
Just to break it down for you.
Travellers represent about 0.6% of the population in Ireland and about 10% of the male prison population and about 22% of the female prison population.
The black population in America is around 13%/14% of the population and represents about 38% of the prison population.
Is there problems with crime in black communities more than white in general ? Yes, I would say there is and many black people will tell you just that. There is also systematic racism within the American system. It's easy to see how shit black people are treated by some cops in the u .s and how the cops get away with what they do contrary to the evidence against them.
The numbers you are seemingly saying are comparable are just not. There is a huge disparity . The vitriol against other races is just one of the reasons Trump rose to power. As I said earlier in the thread I won't be voting for Casey in the election. I just happen to agree with him in this scenario . It is possible to agree with someone on a topic without being in their back pocket.
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"In fairness OP this thread got a few peoples blood pumping,and highlighted a few profiles. Well done. "My input was based on personal experience and if that puts people off my profile i could not care less | |||
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"How pray tell is Peter Casey a bigoted twat? Travellers are not An ethnic minority" Travellers are an ethnic minority. Recognised under Irish law very recently. | |||
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"Some very ugly people on here, but most of them I noticed before for their spiteful attitude. While quite in numbers on this thread, luckily they're a fab minority. Do you think its a minority that feel this way about travellers in general? I believe that the majority of the irish people is intelligent enough not to join an ugly witch hunt. " I dont think you are living “on the hill” i think you are living under one. The majority of the population would agree with his comments, you only need look at said comments on journal, boards or anything else to see the amount of support its gotten which is obviously what he attended. | |||
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"My point when I started this thread was that Casey had hit on a point that is of concern to people in Ireland. This post shows extremes on both sides of the argument, from those who are openly rascist to those who accused those calling out this special treatment of travellers as daft of wanting to exterminate travellers like Hitler. Like all extremes, its nonsense. The point remains that this raised lots of opinion. The thread will be closed shortly because its full. You dont get that kind of reaction if everyone agrees 100% with each other. If it did, my post would have gotten no comments and would have disappeared. But I'll make my point again. If you look at ANY news outlet in Ireland right now, you would think that there is 100% agreement that travellers are a distinct ethnic minority and all we can do is agree with that. Thats not true. This thread proves it. And if we simply ignore it, the extreme views on either side will just larger and larger. Most decent people want to improve the lot of every citizen by improving everyones opportunity. Lots of us dont believe that giving one disadvantaged group a nonsense label and no hope of improving their status is the way to go about it. " Yeah but they are a distinct ethnic minority. You saying they're not doesnt change that. And regardless if they are or not, efforts should be made to improve their situation. Lack of educational opportunities for transient communities would be one of the simplest. It happens in North Africa with the berbers, it could be done here with a bit of good will and gumption. | |||
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"In fairness OP this thread got a few peoples blood pumping,and highlighted a few profiles. Well done.
My input was based on personal experience and if that puts people off my profile i could not care less "James don't take it personally. As I've said before you can't tar everyone with the same brush. I've been effected by the actions of a traveller but I can't blame other members of the travelling community. To me thst doesn't make sense. X | |||
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"Some very ugly people on here, but most of them I noticed before for their spiteful attitude. While quite in numbers on this thread, luckily they're a fab minority. Do you think its a minority that feel this way about travellers in general? I believe that the majority of the irish people is intelligent enough not to join an ugly witch hunt. I dont think you are living “on the hill” i think you are living under one. The majority of the population would agree with his comments, you only need look at said comments on journal, boards or anything else to see the amount of support its gotten which is obviously what he attended." Yeah, cos the comments section on this sites are renowned for being full of level headed people 
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