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"Irish team will never go far unless they give chance black players...look France world class...Ireland watch and learn"
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We need to bring new ideas into the irish set up. What worked for Brian clough was of its time and football has moved on, O'Neil hasn't.
We have limited talent at the moment so we need to work smarter and use better tactics. Play the percentages and to coin a phrase from the past... put them under pressure... ooh ah
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We’re not even hard to beat anymore which was always what our moderate success was built on. And I’d say for much of the last 8 years, a lot of lesser teams have come here time again and dominated the ball and gave us a good run around in the process.
We look clueless at over the last year in particular and any momentum from the euros is well and truly gone. What are the likes of Meyler thinking losing their place to Cyrus in midfield, I know if Pep puts a full back into midfield then he’s a genius, but his teams usually dominate the ball, and I’m not trying to discredit Cyrus, just a strange decision.
I thought the first 15 mins was positive from some of the lads tonight, but they couldn’t not come out and have a go after recent results and performances, a lot of them looked broken at the final whistle. In truth it’s fucking hard to watch fucking hard to watch |
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"Is this tge lowest point in Irish soccer in 35 yrs? 
I'm going to say no... I remember Staunton"
The Stan era was a bit of a shambles, he shouldn’t have been appointed, it wasn’t fair to him and possibly put an early halt to what could’ve been a decent managerial career had he gone in properly prepared for the job, but I think the fact we watched as an Irish footballing hero tore down his reputation may have added to the “car crash factor” after being hung out to dry by the FAI who let’s face it where far too quick to sack Brian Kerr in the first place. But I’m having to go back to then to think of when we last played good football (I’m actual fact it was Stans first game if memory serves me 3-0 against Sweden who had qualified for the World Cup, Liam Miller scored a belter that night) |
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Hold on, you boys from the Republic haven't even began to suffer until you go a few years without a goal, let alone a win! The Sammy McElroy years for NI trumps it  |
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It's a structural problem that won't change. The FAI have mortgaged soccer to pay for their half of the Aviva. They then have to get another mortgage to pay a "top" manager. Reality is no modern manager is going to risk his legacy on Ireland. Why should he? These days they don't need the money.
The structure is predicated on quality Irish qualifying players from the UK. They don't exist any more.
We need a 10 year plan based on the Nordic model. Invest locally in teams and especially coaches and in 10 years we will have a strong local league that retains talent. Then we will at least compete.
That means no half million chief executive needed. It means competing with the gaa and rugby for talent.
It will never happen. |
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"It's a structural problem that won't change. The FAI have mortgaged soccer to pay for their half of the Aviva. They then have to get another mortgage to pay a "top" manager. Reality is no modern manager is going to risk his legacy on Ireland. Why should he? These days they don't need the money.
The structure is predicated on quality Irish qualifying players from the UK. They don't exist any more.
We need a 10 year plan based on the Nordic model. Invest locally in teams and especially coaches and in 10 years we will have a strong local league that retains talent. Then we will at least compete.
That means no half million chief executive needed. It means competing with the gaa and rugby for talent.
It will never happen. "
Where do the FAI get the money from to invest locally?
Its only when Irish people begin to spend money on Irish football rather than pump million after million into the English FA via Sky Sports subscriptions, weekend trips and jersey sales will things change.
I can nevee understand people comparing the FAI to the GAA and IRFU when practically all money spent by people on those sports in this country goes to those organisations.
Bar a few international games a year that is not the case for the FAI unfortunately. |
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"Is this tge lowest point in Irish soccer in 35 yrs? "
No. Not quite the lowest. Steve Staunton's reign just a little bit worse than now but we are damn close. |
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"It's a structural problem that won't change. The FAI have mortgaged soccer to pay for their half of the Aviva. They then have to get another mortgage to pay a "top" manager. Reality is no modern manager is going to risk his legacy on Ireland. Why should he? These days they don't need the money.
The structure is predicated on quality Irish qualifying players from the UK. They don't exist any more.
We need a 10 year plan based on the Nordic model. Invest locally in teams and especially coaches and in 10 years we will have a strong local league that retains talent. Then we will at least compete.
That means no half million chief executive needed. It means competing with the gaa and rugby for talent.
It will never happen. "
This makes a lot of sense Tom. We need home-grown players and to hot-house them into a system a la Iceland. Our players need to forget about the UK and look for clubs in other European leagues. |
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There aren't any real stars in the Republic squad these days. No real household names. No Robbie/Roy Keanes, Damien Duff, McAteer, Babb, Irwin....the list goes on. There isn't the quality coming through it seems. Judas Mc Clean doesn't count btw....how many times has he been relegated with his clubs now? 4 or 5?...i've lost count |
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"There aren't any real stars in the Republic squad these days. No real household names. No Robbie/Roy Keanes, Damien Duff, McAteer, Babb, Irwin....the list goes on. There isn't the quality coming through it seems. Judas Mc Clean doesn't count btw....how many times has he been relegated with his clubs now? 4 or 5?...i've lost count"
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"There aren't any real stars in the Republic squad these days. No real household names. No Robbie/Roy Keanes, Damien Duff, McAteer, Babb, Irwin....the list goes on. There isn't the quality coming through it seems. Judas Mc Clean doesn't count btw....how many times has he been relegated with his clubs now? 4 or 5?...i've lost count
Once I think "
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"It's a structural problem that won't change. The FAI have mortgaged soccer to pay for their half of the Aviva. They then have to get another mortgage to pay a "top" manager. Reality is no modern manager is going to risk his legacy on Ireland. Why should he? These days they don't need the money.
The structure is predicated on quality Irish qualifying players from the UK. They don't exist any more.
We need a 10 year plan based on the Nordic model. Invest locally in teams and especially coaches and in 10 years we will have a strong local league that retains talent. Then we will at least compete.
That means no half million chief executive needed. It means competing with the gaa and rugby for talent.
It will never happen.
This makes a lot of sense Tom. We need home-grown players and to hot-house them into a system a la Iceland. Our players need to forget about the UK and look for clubs in other European leagues."
I agree with both your points..we need to educate lads away from the English set up .I believe kids 16,17 should be looking to the French,Belgian and Dutch leagues
. it would benefit them technically but also teaches them a new language and culture.
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The English Premier league is gone to shit, we all know it.
They switched from trying to find individual genius, to finding a full team of super fit players who can give high intensity, high pace, high speed to make up for their lack of genius.
It's more profitable for them, but has resulted in a league that just can not compete with others in Europe.
This is due to teams like United picking Rooney over Ronaldo. Why make a blunder like that when you can have a team of super fit people who can try expose weakness of a team built around a genius.
France has gone to dog shit, German team has been rocked to its core, Portugal is doing good, spain is doing good, England is a hodge podge.
It's all just a day out for the tourists now. That's why iceland can compete, they dont need players from England or Germany, just get your fitness level up and you can give any team in europe a run for their money.
The Irish team just needs to up its fitness level and know their positions/roles and thats all. Because they wont be getting a genius from the English league ever again, cause the English league is not looking for them anymore. |
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"I do as well"
Yip Cork City for as long as I have followed football. Some great days, but you cant blame people for wanting to pay money and see the game played at am elite level.
Having been to more City games than I could ever remember and a handful of Premier league and champions league there really is no comparison |
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"On this subject do any of you follow a League of Ireland side or Irish League team??..."
I don’t support a team in the Irish league, but I do get to about 4 games a season between UCD Bray and the very occasional Rovers game. I have been going to Lansdowne Road to watch Ireland play and to a few away games for over 26years now, occasionally I drop out cos the quality just isn’t there and it’s also an expensive and over the last 10 years a disappointing hobby. We need changes from the top down. The association is a joke, we all know it |
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"It's a structural problem that won't change. The FAI have mortgaged soccer to pay for their half of the Aviva. They then have to get another mortgage to pay a "top" manager. Reality is no modern manager is going to risk his legacy on Ireland. Why should he? These days they don't need the money.
This, the FAI let it drop from competing with being the most popular sport (in Dublin anyway) to being 3-4th most popular. The infrastructure is rotten to the core and Delaney is a laughing stock I’d imagine this is the case in the eye of his colleague across the globe too
The structure is predicated on quality Irish qualifying players from the UK. They don't exist any more.
We need a 10 year plan based on the Nordic model. Invest locally in teams and especially coaches and in 10 years we will have a strong local league that retains talent. Then we will at least compete.
That means no half million chief executive needed. It means competing with the gaa and rugby for talent.
It will never happen. "
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"It's a structural problem that won't change. The FAI have mortgaged soccer to pay for their half of the Aviva. They then have to get another mortgage to pay a "top" manager. Reality is no modern manager is going to risk his legacy on Ireland. Why should he? These days they don't need the money.
This, the FAI let it drop from competing with being the most popular sport (in Dublin anyway) to being 3-4th most popular. The infrastructure is rotten to the core and Delaney is a laughing stock I’d imagine this is the case in the eye of his colleague across the globe too
The structure is predicated on quality Irish qualifying players from the UK. They don't exist any more.
We need a 10 year plan based on the Nordic model. Invest locally in teams and especially coaches and in 10 years we will have a strong local league that retains talent. Then we will at least compete.
That means no half million chief executive needed. It means competing with the gaa and rugby for talent.
It will never happen. "
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"So any suggestions for who youd want as manager so?"
Changing the manager for the sake of it won't fix the problem(s). There's a lack of good players - end of. If you have a limited talent pool, all you can do is devise a system like Iceland had - simple, effective with everyone knowing what to do when the team have the ball and not.
Ideally, we need a focused youth program to breed a confidence on the ball so that it's a natural way to play for young would-be International players coming through. We used to breed skilful players - Giles, Heighway,Brady, Whelan, Sheedy, Sheridan, McGrath, Robbie Keane, Duff - where have these kind of players gone ? |
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"The English Premier league is gone to shit, we all know it.
They switched from trying to find individual genius, to finding a full team of super fit players who can give high intensity, high pace, high speed to make up for their lack of genius.
It's more profitable for them, but has resulted in a league that just can not compete with others in Europe.
This is due to teams like United picking Rooney over Ronaldo. Why make a blunder like that when you can have a team of super fit people who can try expose weakness of a team built around a genius.
France has gone to dog shit, German team has been rocked to its core, Portugal is doing good, spain is doing good, England is a hodge podge.
It's all just a day out for the tourists now. That's why iceland can compete, they dont need players from England or Germany, just get your fitness level up and you can give any team in europe a run for their money.
The Irish team just needs to up its fitness level and know their positions/roles and thats all. Because they wont be getting a genius from the English league ever again, cause the English league is not looking for them anymore."
Is that the French team who just won the World Cup ?
Anyways, It’s all about perspective- Northern Ireland reached the Euros and narrowly missed out on the World Cup. We’re having the time of our lives following them round Europe. Our under 21s have just finished second in the group having beaten Spain away - enjoy the ride and don’t worry about the rest !! In tiny countries like ours the bad times will outweigh the good times many times over ..... but when the good times eventually return they’re fucking brilliant |
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"So any suggestions for who youd want as manager so?
Changing the manager for the sake of it won't fix the problem(s). There's a lack of good players - end of. If you have a limited talent pool, all you can do is devise a system like Iceland had - simple, effective with everyone knowing what to do when the team have the ball and not.
Ideally, we need a focused youth program to breed a confidence on the ball so that it's a natural way to play for young would-be International players coming through. We used to breed skilful players - Giles, Heighway,Brady, Whelan, Sheedy, Sheridan, McGrath, Robbie Keane, Duff - where have these kind of players gone ?"
I agree there is more wrong than the manager but countless ex players came out amd saod they dont work on systems in training. The players find out the team an hour before kickoff.
We dont have great players but they are not miles off wales when you take out Bale and Ramsey and we looked so far off them.
Not to mention the clearly toxic enviorment Keane has managed to foster without O' Niell taking any action.
Players talk and when we have players who played underage for Ireland very reluctant to commit you would wonder if that plays a part.
Saying that grassroots if fairly fucked alright |
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"There aren't any real stars in the Republic squad these days. No real household names. No Robbie/Roy Keanes, Damien Duff, McAteer, Babb, Irwin....the list goes on. There isn't the quality coming through it seems. Judas Mc Clean doesn't count btw....how many times has he been relegated with his clubs now? 4 or 5?...i've lost count"
Judas McClean single handedly dragged one of the worst Republic squads in years to the World Cup playoffs.... |
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We have some good underage teams at the moment, hopefully they will make the step up in a few years. There is also a new academy being built in Galway by the comer brothers ( just announced this week) the fai should be doing things like this themselves |
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"Irish team will never go far unless they give chance black players...look France world class...Ireland watch and learn
Which players would you recommend?"
They are plenty black players in here, no need to go far look at the Irish football league, all teams are white not a single black players. Irish FA need to start building from the bottom and give opportunity to any players that know how to player soccer..no matter their races..Look at the top European team , things are changing..otherwise Ireland will keep living with excuses after excuses. Can't even beat Wales with some players inexperienced to compare Ireland...what a joke... |
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"Irish team will never go far unless they give chance black players...look France world class...Ireland watch and learn
Which players would you recommend?
They are plenty black players in here, no need to go far look at the Irish football league, all teams are white not a single black players. Irish FA need to start building from the bottom and give opportunity to any players that know how to player soccer..no matter their races..Look at the top European team , things are changing..otherwise Ireland will keep living with excuses after excuses. Can't even beat Wales with some players inexperienced to compare Ireland...what a joke..."
I was wondering which Black players you thought should be playing to back up your point.
I am involved with underage teams and there are loads of different races playing, I have never even seen a hint of players not getting a chance because of their race |
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"Irish team will never go far unless they give chance black players...look France world class...Ireland watch and learn
Which players would you recommend?
They are plenty black players in here, no need to go far look at the Irish football league, all teams are white not a single black players. Irish FA need to start building from the bottom and give opportunity to any players that know how to player soccer..no matter their races..Look at the top European team , things are changing..otherwise Ireland will keep living with excuses after excuses. Can't even beat Wales with some players inexperienced to compare Ireland...what a joke..."
Don't know what you are talking about, I've been to most home games for Galway United and every team that played has had black players. |
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"Irish team will never go far unless they give chance black players...look France world class...Ireland watch and learn
Which players would you recommend?
They are plenty black players in here, no need to go far look at the Irish football league, all teams are white not a single black players. Irish FA need to start building from the bottom and give opportunity to any players that know how to player soccer..no matter their races..Look at the top European team , things are changing..otherwise Ireland will keep living with excuses after excuses. Can't even beat Wales with some players inexperienced to compare Ireland...what a joke...
Don't know what you are talking about, I've been to most home games for Galway United and every team that played has had black players. "
Why is always turned into a race thing ffs  all players whatever race colour creed come help irish soccer. |
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"Irish team will never go far unless they give chance black players...look France world class...Ireland watch and learn
Which players would you recommend?
They are plenty black players in here, no need to go far look at the Irish football league, all teams are white not a single black players. Irish FA need to start building from the bottom and give opportunity to any players that know how to player soccer..no matter their races..Look at the top European team , things are changing..otherwise Ireland will keep living with excuses after excuses. Can't even beat Wales with some players inexperienced to compare Ireland...what a joke...
Don't know what you are talking about, I've been to most home games for Galway United and every team that played has had black players.
Why is always turned into a race thing ffs all players whatever race colour creed come help irish soccer."
Totally agree, if a player qualifies and makes the team better they should be brought into the squad.
We have some very talented young players at underage, can't wait to see them make the step up. |
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"Irish team will never go far unless they give chance black players...look France world class...Ireland watch and learn
Which players would you recommend?
They are plenty black players in here, no need to go far look at the Irish football league, all teams are white not a single black players. Irish FA need to start building from the bottom and give opportunity to any players that know how to player soccer..no matter their races..Look at the top European team , things are changing..otherwise Ireland will keep living with excuses after excuses. Can't even beat Wales with some players inexperienced to compare Ireland...what a joke...
Don't know what you are talking about, I've been to most home games for Galway United and every team that played has had black players.
Why is always turned into a race thing ffs all players whatever race colour creed come help irish soccer."
Sorry lad your right I got a bit sided tracked there.
100% agree with you hell I'd be hapoy to even see a few decent Kerry lads come through at this stage  |
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there no irish player at man utd liverpool arsenal'with these managers looking to europe for player'' the above teams always had irish player'' european managers dont rate irish player'' if player arent playeing in big league'' the standarts drop'' sse league aint bad but no money put in to it |
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