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By *aid backMan
over a year ago
by a lake with my rod out |
"I can imagine the leafy, Irish subboards that will say, "Isn't he a lovely man!". Is there anything faster than a priest removing a memory stick?. "
Firstly it's suburbs.
Secondly words are just that apologies are easily said. |
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Just wondering. Will the Catholic church contribute anything towards the cost of putting on this show .think they should as they are one of the wealthiest organisations in the world .also pope visiting the shelter for the homeless run by an amazing man and donations .Will he contribute a donation there .I don't think so |
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The church has apologised countless times. Spouting a few meaningless words is pretty easy to do. The church is essentially a giant multinational company with its own cash reserves and the centre of its own interests. As things stand the church still refuses to release files which would lead to the prosecution of thousands of sexual predators.
The most frightening thing about the church is those who continue to follow them in the full knowledge they support a known network of criminals. Everything about it disgusts me |
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By *madeus999 OP Man
over a year ago
Greater Manchester |
No donations will be made at all. The collection boxes will be rattled, I think the papal gift shops will make more money!, do you think unsightly homeless folk will be moved off the parade routes?. |
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By *P_80Man
over a year ago
Waterford |
"The most frightening thing about the church is those who continue to follow them in the full knowledge they support a known network of criminals. Everything about it disgusts me"
It's the mentality of the Irish, well not all of Ireland obviously, but the country in general. We're afraid of change. We're afraid to let go and try something different.
It's the same reason FG and FF are the only parties to have held power since the formation of the independent state.
We seem to be happy with what we know, even if it's bad for us. |
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"The most frightening thing about the church is those who continue to follow them in the full knowledge they support a known network of criminals. Everything about it disgusts me
It's the mentality of the Irish, well not all of Ireland obviously, but the country in general. We're afraid of change. We're afraid to let go and try something different.
It's the same reason FG and FF are the only parties to have held power since the formation of the independent state.
We seem to be happy with what we know, even if it's bad for us."
No I don't buy that. When it comes to politics we gave the greens a chance, labour as minority partners PD's and various other newly formed groups. All failed to follow through on promises just to keep seats. We are not afraid of change but politics is about keeping a well paid job at all costs.
Religion does not line the average persons pocket with money. There has always been a right wing mob mentality to the church and its frightening to see people willing brainwash their children to follow a cult. |
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By *madeus999 OP Man
over a year ago
Greater Manchester |
So agree with you, politicians are so scared, they would shit on a shovel if you asked them to, for your vote. What parts of Ireland would be harder to change in attitude? There's the saying, "You can't live in Rome and fight with the Pope!". |
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In reality, this pope is ultra liberal compared to JP2, while still not being what most people think of as liberal but that's because JP2 was extremely conservative. He was also in office for a very long time. Popes usually appoint cardinals and Vatican officials who are of a similar mindset to themselves so the vast majority of current cardinals are very conservative so even one pope can never turn such an organisation around as he's almost a lame duck. You have to hope that the next couple of popes are "liberal" as well.
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*Liberal is loosely used here.
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Apologies are bugger all use to anyone anyway. Releasing long held files would be more relevant.
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*Apologies for the unfortunate pun above  |
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By *P_80Man
over a year ago
Waterford |
"The most frightening thing about the church is those who continue to follow them in the full knowledge they support a known network of criminals. Everything about it disgusts me
It's the mentality of the Irish, well not all of Ireland obviously, but the country in general. We're afraid of change. We're afraid to let go and try something different.
It's the same reason FG and FF are the only parties to have held power since the formation of the independent state.
We seem to be happy with what we know, even if it's bad for us.
No I don't buy that. When it comes to politics we gave the greens a chance, labour as minority partners PD's and various other newly formed groups. All failed to follow through on promises just to keep seats. We are not afraid of change but politics is about keeping a well paid job at all costs.
Religion does not line the average persons pocket with money. There has always been a right wing mob mentality to the church and its frightening to see people willing brainwash their children to follow a cult. "
Fair points.
I suppose when I said fearing change I wasn't referring to people's opinions on modern life as such. I think we all can agree that the Equality and Abortion referendums show a progressive and positive mentality in modern Ireland.
But with that, I think the majority of Irish people like the 'rules of life' laid out for them. It's easier to follow a path than to go your own way.
When people are offered a religion it means they don't have to ask themselves the question of what we are, where we came from and where are we going? The answers are in religion. It's easy and comforting. |
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"The most frightening thing about the church is those who continue to follow them in the full knowledge they support a known network of criminals. Everything about it disgusts me
It's the mentality of the Irish, well not all of Ireland obviously, but the country in general. We're afraid of change. We're afraid to let go and try something different.
It's the same reason FG and FF are the only parties to have held power since the formation of the independent state.
We seem to be happy with what we know, even if it's bad for us."
Ireland ?
Afraid of change ?
Huh?
If 10 years you said that in 10 years time there would be a gay Taoiseach of Indian descent, gay marriage and abortion , voted by a majority of the public, you would have been laughed out of the pub! |
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By *aid backMan
over a year ago
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"The most frightening thing about the church is those who continue to follow them in the full knowledge they support a known network of criminals. Everything about it disgusts me
It's the mentality of the Irish, well not all of Ireland obviously, but the country in general. We're afraid of change. We're afraid to let go and try something different.
It's the same reason FG and FF are the only parties to have held power since the formation of the independent state.
We seem to be happy with what we know, even if it's bad for us.
No I don't buy that. When it comes to politics we gave the greens a chance, labour as minority partners PD's and various other newly formed groups. All failed to follow through on promises just to keep seats. We are not afraid of change but politics is about keeping a well paid job at all costs.
Religion does not line the average persons pocket with money. There has always been a right wing mob mentality to the church and its frightening to see people willing brainwash their children to follow a cult. "
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"I can imagine the leafy, Irish subboards that will say, "Isn't he a lovely man!". Is there anything faster than a priest removing a memory stick?. "
..if you want to do it right go the whole way,lay the blame at the goverment both past & present for not doing more....and you can also blame the people of Ireland as well...WHAT,they will claim that they didn't know what was going on,totall and utter bullshit....back then and as now you can't go for a dump without someone knowing and then there's the abusers themselves the church....so all three were / are complicit in destroying the life's of children and unmarried mothers in this country from God only knows when....not like this country's record on protecting children from abuse is great anyway.
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"I can imagine the leafy, Irish subboards that will say, "Isn't he a lovely man!". Is there anything faster than a priest removing a memory stick?. ..if you want to do it right go the whole way,lay the blame at the goverment both past & present for not doing more....and you can also blame the people of Ireland as well...WHAT,they will claim that they didn't know what was going on,totall and utter bullshit....back then and as now you can't go for a dump without someone knowing and then there's the abusers themselves the church....so all three were / are complicit in destroying the life's of children and unmarried mothers in this country from God only knows when....not like this country's record on protecting children from abuse is great anyway."
All this is very true but we cant ignore the fact the church is responsible for horrendus crimes against men women and children. They need to be accountable for that. In order for healing and forgiveness to start apologies and acceptence must happen otherwise its a vacuum of bitterness |
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By *P_80Man
over a year ago
Waterford |
"The most frightening thing about the church is those who continue to follow them in the full knowledge they support a known network of criminals. Everything about it disgusts me
It's the mentality of the Irish, well not all of Ireland obviously, but the country in general. We're afraid of change. We're afraid to let go and try something different.
It's the same reason FG and FF are the only parties to have held power since the formation of the independent state.
We seem to be happy with what we know, even if it's bad for us.
Ireland ?
Afraid of change ?
Huh?
If 10 years you said that in 10 years time there would be a gay Taoiseach of Indian descent, gay marriage and abortion , voted by a majority of the public, you would have been laughed out of the pub!"
In my follow up post I explained I wasn't referring to our attitudes to modern life. I was referring more to how a lot of people, at least a lot of people I know, don't like to go against the grain in terms of living their own lives.
They seem to like the comfort of of not having to work things out for themselves or what they really want out of life.
You get the job, you get the wife, you have the kids and you get the mortgage. It's just the thing you do. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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They’re making room in the hospitals at the minute, throwing elderly people home that arnt well and the homeless soup kitchens etc have been told they won’t be allowed on the streets. Typical Irish government saving face, there’s more than the church to blame in this country for its mess. Bit late for apologies. Hopefully things change. |
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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago
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You get the job, you get the wife, you have the kids and you get the mortgage. It's just the thing you do."
You forgot the christening, the communion and the confirmation. Most peeps still put their children through the catholic loop and they all do it to 'keep the grandparents happy'. It's bizarre really.  |
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I don’t think this forum or site is the best platform for this discussion.. Come on guys !! There’s a place and a time... it’s friday guys.. let’s look for sum fun !!! Here’s an escape for what’s happening out there..
Respect |
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"I don’t think this forum or site is the best platform for this discussion.. Come on guys !! There’s a place and a time... it’s friday guys.. let’s look for sum fun !!! Here’s an escape for what’s happening out there..
Respect "
Sorry from** |
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By *P_80Man
over a year ago
Waterford |
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You get the job, you get the wife, you have the kids and you get the mortgage. It's just the thing you do.
You forgot the christening, the communion and the confirmation. Most peeps still put their children through the catholic loop and they all do it to 'keep the grandparents happy'. It's bizarre really. "
Yep. I'll never understand people's reluctance to do it their own way.
The majority just don't want to be different.
As I said in a previous post, some people just like to be shown what they should be doing and then go along with it. It's like they're afraid to be an outsider.
I read a great quote once, can't remember who said it:
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you're all the same." |
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"I don’t think this forum or site is the best platform for this discussion.. Come on guys !! There’s a place and a time... it’s friday guys.. let’s look for sum fun !!! Here’s an escape for what’s happening out there..
Respect "
Can't you just look for it on many of the other threads instead of telling the rest of us what to do?  |
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"I can imagine the leafy, Irish subboards that will say, "Isn't he a lovely man!". Is there anything faster than a priest removing a memory stick?. ..if you want to do it right go the whole way,lay the blame at the goverment both past & present for not doing more....and you can also blame the people of Ireland as well...WHAT,they will claim that they didn't know what was going on,totall and utter bullshit....back then and as now you can't go for a dump without someone knowing and then there's the abusers themselves the church....so all three were / are complicit in destroying the life's of children and unmarried mothers in this country from God only knows when....not like this country's record on protecting children from abuse is great anyway.
All this is very true but we cant ignore the fact the church is responsible for horrendus crimes against men women and children. They need to be accountable for that. In order for healing and forgiveness to start apologies and acceptence must happen otherwise its a vacuum of bitterness "
thats true and the apologies must come from the 3 sources for the crimes that were committed..,the church ....the goverment ....and the people of this country who knew what was happening to these abused children and abused women but turned a blind eye....imagine the amount of suffering that would have been stopped if the people of Ireland back then got of their arses and done something but no it was decided church and state came first not their own flesh and blood... |
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"The most frightening thing about the church is those who continue to follow them in the full knowledge they support a known network of criminals. Everything about it disgusts me
It's the mentality of the Irish, well not all of Ireland obviously, but the country in general. We're afraid of change. We're afraid to let go and try something different.
It's the same reason FG and FF are the only parties to have held power since the formation of the independent state.
We seem to be happy with what we know, even if it's bad for us.
Ireland ?
Afraid of change ?
Huh?
If 10 years you said that in 10 years time there would be a gay Taoiseach of Indian descent, gay marriage and abortion , voted by a majority of the public, you would have been laughed out of the pub!
In my follow up post I explained I wasn't referring to our attitudes to modern life. I was referring more to how a lot of people, at least a lot of people I know, don't like to go against the grain in terms of living their own lives.
They seem to like the comfort of of not having to work things out for themselves or what they really want out of life.
You get the job, you get the wife, you have the kids and you get the mortgage. It's just the thing you do."
Im more then happy with my wife,my job and kids and home....it's More then "just the thing you do" for most of us.. |
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People were not so fast to protest when the British monarchy visited our country.Did people forget what they did to our country and continue doing It even now. |
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By *P_80Man
over a year ago
Waterford |
"The most frightening thing about the church is those who continue to follow them in the full knowledge they support a known network of criminals. Everything about it disgusts me
It's the mentality of the Irish, well not all of Ireland obviously, but the country in general. We're afraid of change. We're afraid to let go and try something different.
It's the same reason FG and FF are the only parties to have held power since the formation of the independent state.
We seem to be happy with what we know, even if it's bad for us.
Ireland ?
Afraid of change ?
Huh?
If 10 years you said that in 10 years time there would be a gay Taoiseach of Indian descent, gay marriage and abortion , voted by a majority of the public, you would have been laughed out of the pub!
In my follow up post I explained I wasn't referring to our attitudes to modern life. I was referring more to how a lot of people, at least a lot of people I know, don't like to go against the grain in terms of living their own lives.
They seem to like the comfort of of not having to work things out for themselves or what they really want out of life.
You get the job, you get the wife, you have the kids and you get the mortgage. It's just the thing you do.Im more then happy with my wife,my job and kids and home....it's More then "just the thing you do" for most of us.."
I hope I didn't come across as insulting. I was just saying that some people seem to go down this route as it's the thing to do. I wasn't implying that they were unhappy with their choices or that they're missing out on anything. But people have told me many times if they could go back they'd change a few things and perhaps pursue something they're passionate about.
Ah maybe it's just me having clouded judgement. I just can't get my head around the concept of actually seeking marriage and kids.
I'll put my shovel down now before I dig myself deeper |
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"People were not so fast to protest when the British monarchy visited our country.Did people forget what they did to our country and continue doing It even now."
I know...that brexit shit is gonna fuck this place like an athlone deacon in a confessional full of communion preparers :/ |
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"I can imagine the leafy, Irish subboards that will say, "Isn't he a lovely man!". Is there anything faster than a priest removing a memory stick?. ..if you want to do it right go the whole way,lay the blame at the goverment both past & present for not doing more....and you can also blame the people of Ireland as well...WHAT,they will claim that they didn't know what was going on,totall and utter bullshit....back then and as now you can't go for a dump without someone knowing and then there's the abusers themselves the church....so all three were / are complicit in destroying the life's of children and unmarried mothers in this country from God only knows when....not like this country's record on protecting children from abuse is great anyway.
All this is very true but we cant ignore the fact the church is responsible for horrendus crimes against men women and children. They need to be accountable for that. In order for healing and forgiveness to start apologies and acceptence must happen otherwise its a vacuum of bitterness thats true and the apologies must come from the 3 sources for the crimes that were committed..,the church ....the goverment ....and the people of this country who knew what was happening to these abused children and abused women but turned a blind eye....imagine the amount of suffering that would have been stopped if the people of Ireland back then got of their arses and done something but no it was decided church and state came first not their own flesh and blood..."
At the end of the day those that abused had collars and habits on. They ra#ed, buggered and physically abused. That cant be dressed up. My mother is in her 60s ... should she apologise to victums of abuse. A woman that worked hard all her life and done right by everyone .... no she shouldn't. The chruch though at the very least owe an apology to their victims. Sometimes the buck needs to stop with the guy with his pants down ... the abuser |
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You get the job, you get the wife, you have the kids and you get the mortgage. It's just the thing you do.
You forgot the christening, the communion and the confirmation. Most peeps still put their children through the catholic loop and they all do it to 'keep the grandparents happy'. It's bizarre really. "
What a load of bull. |
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