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"OH doesn't want to watch it because of the themes/setup but I'd love to. Supposedly very good  "
Beautifully written book, oppressively dark. The author took example from reality. Any evil committed has already been done. The sequence of events that led to Guilead are totally plausible. |
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"OH doesn't want to watch it because of the themes/setup but I'd love to. Supposedly very good
Beautifully written book, oppressively dark. The author took example from reality. Any evil committed has already been done. The sequence of events that led to Guilead are totally plausible. "
Ok, not a clue what you're talking about but the fact you're so invested interests me in the programme |
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Never heard of it(the show) until now but totalitarian societies are the future. One world government, everything about you tracked, no cash etc... Plus birth rates could actually drop, men have a lower sperm count compared to their great grand fathers. I sound like a nut job but I hate the breaking up and forced diversity of nations. Eventually everywhere will be the same besides the weather. |
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"OH doesn't want to watch it because of the themes/setup but I'd love to. Supposedly very good
Beautifully written book, oppressively dark. The author took example from reality. Any evil committed has already been done. The sequence of events that led to Guilead are totally plausible.
Ok, not a clue what you're talking about but the fact you're so invested interests me in the programme "
It's a dystopia where woman are ordered by their fertillity. The wives wear virginal blue, handmaids red ( fertility) Marthas gray ( they are beyond childbearing years and act as servants)
It's set in the near future when USA is overturned by a totalitarian regime. The new country is Guillead ... it's dark, very very dark |
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"Never heard of it(the show) until now but totalitarian societies are the future. One world government, everything about you tracked, no cash etc... Plus birth rates could actually drop, men have a lower sperm count compared to their great grand fathers. I sound like a nut job but I hate the breaking up and forced diversity of nations. Eventually everywhere will be the same besides the weather. "
It's very plausible that this could happen ... it was small steps that led to this. Little by little .. it's a stark warning I fee. The author is a genius in my humble opinion |
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"Its very good, just shows the power governments have and what might be but.... it makes out that the whole country is nearly infertile  "
Falling birth rates and falling populations in the developed world. This is all fact. Men's sperm counts falling .. this is fact. This is happening. .the rest is possible |
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"Fascinating to watch must admit could see it becoming a futuristic government but not here . Best series so far after power for me loved it . "
The beauty of it is it could happen here .. it could happen anywhere. Environmental disaster coupled with falling birth rates and a rise in the religious right wing ...deadly triangle |
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This will happen, not exactly like this book but we will be controlled like this as a whole. I don't even see it as the USA. I think one world government is down the line but I see it a long way off so I'll be dead. Still we're becoming easier and easier to control by the day. |
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"As the series progresses you can see how the falling birth rates are just a cover as it’s really about control"
It's all about mens control over women hence the colours. . It puts women in their place. Woman no longer allowed to read or write. The flash backs are key to it all |
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"This will happen, not exactly like this book but we will be controlled like this as a whole. I don't even see it as the USA. I think one world government is down the line but I see it a long way off so I'll be dead. Still we're becoming easier and easier to control by the day. "
We are .. free will us becoming less as we all conform and follow the herd. |
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"Brill viewing. Scaryiest thing is could happen in the future. My buggest thing in it even with all the control sex and power at the root of it.  "
How easily our rights were taken. . Are we blue , red or gray. While we all suffer with June this series we've learned Serenas suffering too |
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"Brill viewing. Scaryiest thing is could happen in the future. My buggest thing in it even with all the control sex and power at the root of it.
How easily our rights were taken. . Are we blue , red or gray. While we all suffer with June this series we've learned Serenas suffering too "
When he whipped her with the belt i was screaming at tv |
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"Brill viewing. Scaryiest thing is could happen in the future. My buggest thing in it even with all the control sex and power at the root of it.
How easily our rights were taken. . Are we blue , red or gray. While we all suffer with June this series we've learned Serenas suffering too
When he whipped her with the belt i was screaming at tv "
We went off book for series two but they used the author to develop the storyline .. it's darker and more sinister. My tummy is generally in knots watching it. It's the sense of foreboding throughout.
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"Brill viewing. Scaryiest thing is could happen in the future. My buggest thing in it even with all the control sex and power at the root of it.
How easily our rights were taken. . Are we blue , red or gray. While we all suffer with June this series we've learned Serenas suffering too
When he whipped her with the belt i was screaming at tv
We went off book for series two but they used the author to develop the storyline .. it's darker and more sinister. My tummy is generally in knots watching it. It's the sense of foreboding throughout.
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Nevr read the books. Might give them a go. Watching Zoo on netflix at moment |
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Hang on! Does this dystopian society mean men get to drink in the pub without the interruption of female chatter? Like the good old days, where there used to be craic with feic all fighting, because there was no pussy to be challenging anyone over and the pub was a peaceful emporium of male inebriation without female induced stress?  |
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"Brill viewing. Scaryiest thing is could happen in the future. My buggest thing in it even with all the control sex and power at the root of it.
How easily our rights were taken. . Are we blue , red or gray. While we all suffer with June this series we've learned Serenas suffering too
When he whipped her with the belt i was screaming at tv
We went off book for series two but they used the author to develop the storyline .. it's darker and more sinister. My tummy is generally in knots watching it. It's the sense of foreboding throughout.
Nevr read the books. Might give them a go. Watching Zoo on netflix at moment"
It's just one book and a modern classic ..read it, it's well worth it |
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"Hang on! Does this dystopian society mean men get to drink in the pub without the interruption of female chatter? Like the good old days, where there used to be craic with feic all fighting, because there was no pussy to be challenging anyone over and the pub was a peaceful emporium of male inebriation without female induced stress? "
Alcohol is band as is sexy with your wife. . You can only have sexy with your handmaid for the purpose of procreation on her fertile days. It's a very weird ceremony. Not pleasant for anyone |
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"Hang on! Does this dystopian society mean men get to drink in the pub without the interruption of female chatter? Like the good old days, where there used to be craic with feic all fighting, because there was no pussy to be challenging anyone over and the pub was a peaceful emporium of male inebriation without female induced stress?
Alcohol is band as is sexy with your wife. . You can only have sexy with your handmaid for the purpose of procreation on her fertile days. It's a very weird ceremony. Not pleasant for anyone "
So nobody can fuck just for the sheer enjoyment of it?
That's not my kinda utopia  |
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"Hang on! Does this dystopian society mean men get to drink in the pub without the interruption of female chatter? Like the good old days, where there used to be craic with feic all fighting, because there was no pussy to be challenging anyone over and the pub was a peaceful emporium of male inebriation without female induced stress?
Alcohol is band as is sexy with your wife. . You can only have sexy with your handmaid for the purpose of procreation on her fertile days. It's a very weird ceremony. Not pleasant for anyone
So nobody can fuck just for the sheer enjoyment of it?
That's not my kinda utopia "
This is why it's a dystopia JD. . I'm telling you watch it and think about the current US government. . How they've started to subtly retract some womens rights in more conservative states... little steps |
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"Hang on! Does this dystopian society mean men get to drink in the pub without the interruption of female chatter? Like the good old days, where there used to be craic with feic all fighting, because there was no pussy to be challenging anyone over and the pub was a peaceful emporium of male inebriation without female induced stress?
Alcohol is band as is sexy with your wife. . You can only have sexy with your handmaid for the purpose of procreation on her fertile days. It's a very weird ceremony. Not pleasant for anyone
So nobody can fuck just for the sheer enjoyment of it?
That's not my kinda utopia
This is why it's a dystopia JD. . I'm telling you watch it and think about the current US government. . How they've started to subtly retract some womens rights in more conservative states... little steps "
I despise the current US president and what he's doing but, strangely, I respect why he's doing it.
Regardless, I'm top inebriated to comment further and haven't watched this, so will try to refrain from commenting further on this thread.
No promises though  |
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"Hang on! Does this dystopian society mean men get to drink in the pub without the interruption of female chatter? Like the good old days, where there used to be craic with feic all fighting, because there was no pussy to be challenging anyone over and the pub was a peaceful emporium of male inebriation without female induced stress?
Alcohol is band as is sexy with your wife. . You can only have sexy with your handmaid for the purpose of procreation on her fertile days. It's a very weird ceremony. Not pleasant for anyone
So nobody can fuck just for the sheer enjoyment of it?
That's not my kinda utopia
This is why it's a dystopia JD. . I'm telling you watch it and think about the current US government. . How they've started to subtly retract some womens rights in more conservative states... little steps
I despise the current US president and what he's doing but, strangely, I respect why he's doing it.
Regardless, I'm top inebriated to comment further and haven't watched this, so will try to refrain from commenting further on this thread.
No promises though "
You know you want to ... a TV series adapted from a modern feminist icons novel. . You can't resist  |
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"Hang on! Does this dystopian society mean men get to drink in the pub without the interruption of female chatter? Like the good old days, where there used to be craic with feic all fighting, because there was no pussy to be challenging anyone over and the pub was a peaceful emporium of male inebriation without female induced stress?
Alcohol is band as is sexy with your wife. . You can only have sexy with your handmaid for the purpose of procreation on her fertile days. It's a very weird ceremony. Not pleasant for anyone
So nobody can fuck just for the sheer enjoyment of it?
That's not my kinda utopia
This is why it's a dystopia JD. . I'm telling you watch it and think about the current US government. . How they've started to subtly retract some womens rights in more conservative states... little steps
I despise the current US president and what he's doing but, strangely, I respect why he's doing it.
Regardless, I'm top inebriated to comment further and haven't watched this, so will try to refrain from commenting further on this thread.
No promises though
You know you want to ... a TV series adapted from a modern feminist icons novel. . You can't resist "
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Has anyone else not noticed that trump would love a totalitarian state like this? He's already testing the boundaries of what he can get away with to an extreme and so far he has been successful..he then just pulls back enough to appease the public ..worrying
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"The totalitarian regimes will come from the left. "
I this its a conservotive religious movememt that the Waterfords are founding members of that are the oppressors in Guilead. Anybody with left leanings are sent to a place called the colonies |
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"Has anyone else not noticed that trump would love a totalitarian state like this? He's already testing the boundaries of what he can get away with to an extreme and so far he has been successful..he then just pulls back enough to appease the public ..worrying
Sam"
The author Margaret Atwood is quite vocal in her dislike of Trump. She and other fans of the book including myself have drawn conclusions about his behaviour and how is is pushing things and getting away with it. Everything that happens in a handmaid's tale has historically already been done to humans by other humans. We are capable of this dystopia |
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"The totalitarian regimes will come from the left.
Agreed. "
It'll be far right resigns conservatism. .. the seeds have already been planted on that one and it is growing. Study countries with shariah law, look at Afghanistan in the 70s. You'll be surprised. Study American politics at the moment and the current administrations policies towards in particular reproductive rIghts of women. It's all conservative religious groups |
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I have been watching it but find it very hard watching
My work has brought me to africa asia and the middle east and we are not talking the best parts of them
what you are watching are events that have happened all over the world and some at home by the hand of different religious groups and so called goverments
Do i think this could happen in the future no but it could come very close
That aunt lydia she is some bit of work thats the character who is the worst for me |
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"The totalitarian regimes will come from the left.
I this its a conservotive religious movememt that the Waterfords are founding members of that are the oppressors in Guilead. Anybody with left leanings are sent to a place called the colonies"
I'm talking about real life |
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il get labelled a racisist for this...but in one way I can't because it's not a race it's a religion...but look at how Islam treats women not exactly like the book or tv show but women's standing in Islam isn't exactly a shinning light. |
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My view is that the right wing crowd like trump and those pricks in Italy will have their day in the sun and there will be an extreme over reaction in the opposite direction to the seemingly grand but slowly and silently oppressive hard left.
People fell for communism less than 100 years ago. We haven't evolved enough since. |
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"My view is that the right wing crowd like trump and those pricks in Italy will have their day in the sun and there will be an extreme over reaction in the opposite direction to the seemingly grand but slowly and silently oppressive hard left.
People fell for communism less than 100 years ago. We haven't evolved enough since. "
We always seem to think there's a perfect solution, there never is when people are involved. |
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"It's funny how these fictions all of sudden have started to seem credible in 2018.
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I don't think belief in fiction is anything new either, religion has been thriving for millennia. |
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"I have been watching it but find it very hard watching
My work has brought me to africa asia and the middle east and we are not talking the best parts of them
what you are watching are events that have happened all over the world and some at home by the hand of different religious groups and so called goverments
Do i think this could happen in the future no but it could come very close
That aunt lydia she is some bit of work thats the character who is the worst for me "
I've some empathy for Aunt lydia. As twisted as the situation is she loves the girls. She wants to break them because she knows the alternative. I'll say nothing of the end of season two but retribution was served. I agree why this may not happen it may come close and nothing that was done has not already happened. It's chilling |
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"The totalitarian regimes will come from the left.
I this its a conservotive religious movememt that the Waterfords are founding members of that are the oppressors in Guilead. Anybody with left leanings are sent to a place called the colonies
I'm talking about real life "
I've given a real life response and I don't agree with you. |
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It's currently speculative fiction, but if there's one thing that history should have taught us, it's that humans are capable of doing anything to other people. |
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"My view is that the right wing crowd like trump and those pricks in Italy will have their day in the sun and there will be an extreme over reaction in the opposite direction to the seemingly grand but slowly and silently oppressive hard left.
People fell for communism less than 100 years ago. We haven't evolved enough since. "
Hitler said he wanted to be in power, he wrote a book setting out what he'd do if if got into power. He did what he set out to do and people wonder " how did that happen"
Be it nazi Germany, Uganda, Afghanistan, here awful things happen because we let them. We turn a blind eye .. say nothing. Apathy on behalf of the majority wiLl be the ruination of our species |
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"Watched the first season but have taped all of the second one to catch up on a binge watch.
It’s a great show that’s worringly topical."
Oh god I love binge watching but this is too dark for a binge watch. You'll need to break it up or you'll loose total faith in humanity |
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"It's currently speculative fiction, but if there's one thing that history should have taught us, it's that humans are capable of doing anything to other people."
That's why it's so frightening. . The flashbacks show how easily it could happen |
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"It's currently speculative fiction, but if there's one thing that history should have taught us, it's that humans are capable of doing anything to other people.
That's why it's so frightening. . The flashbacks show how easily it could happen "
I stick to worrying about the very probable, as opposed to the possible - way too time-consuming |
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"It's currently speculative fiction, but if there's one thing that history should have taught us, it's that humans are capable of doing anything to other people.
That's why it's so frightening. . The flashbacks show how easily it could happen
I stick to worrying about the very probable, as opposed to the possible - way too time-consuming"
It's when the possible becomes the probable that we need to worry. This is a superb book a and TV series that reminds us to be vigilant. Lots of small changes can lead to something this. |
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By *onzo1880Man
over a year ago
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"Watched the first season but have taped all of the second one to catch up on a binge watch.
It’s a great show that’s worringly topical.
Oh god I love binge watching but this is too dark for a binge watch. You'll need to break it up or you'll loose total faith in humanity "
Westworld is a bit like that also Rover. It’s good but again, need to be watched in a few sittings. Really looking forward to catching up with the second season. |
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"My view is that the right wing crowd like trump and those pricks in Italy will have their day in the sun and there will be an extreme over reaction in the opposite direction to the seemingly grand but slowly and silently oppressive hard left.
People fell for communism less than 100 years ago. We haven't evolved enough since. "
Ahh my friend Superflash, listen Capitalism is badly failing too straight in front of our eyes: the super rich 1% own half of the world's wealth already, middle class is disappearing, people have three jobs to make a living, poverty on the rise, inequality was never bigger. You could argue the right totalitarian regime is developing nicely as we speak, with a very few controlling everything including the media brainwashing machine. No sign for any left wing revolution at all, I'd say you've to wait a good while for that one because the ones in power currently are doing a fabulous job. Even the music industry got castrated and is only producing commercialised mainstream rubbish... |
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"Lots of Islamic women are very happy too though, depending on the country. There's more to the culture than meets the eye. "
Have you been to any countries that have Islam as their main religion ????...,
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"The totalitarian regimes will come from the left.
Agreed.
It'll be far right resigns conservatism. .. the seeds have already been planted on that one and it is growing. Study countries with shariah law, look at Afghanistan in the 70s. You'll be surprised. Study American politics at the moment and the current administrations policies towards in particular reproductive rIghts of women. It's all conservative religious groups"
Dont forget Iran before Sharia law was enforced on women and girls.. |
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"My view is that the right wing crowd like trump and those pricks in Italy will have their day in the sun and there will be an extreme over reaction in the opposite direction to the seemingly grand but slowly and silently oppressive hard left.
People fell for communism less than 100 years ago. We haven't evolved enough since.
Ahh my friend Superflash, listen Capitalism is badly failing too straight in front of our eyes: the super rich 1% own half of the world's wealth already, middle class is disappearing, people have three jobs to make a living, poverty on the rise, inequality was never bigger. You could argue the right totalitarian regime is developing nicely as we speak, with a very few controlling everything including the media brainwashing machine. No sign for any left wing revolution at all, I'd say you've to wait a good while for that one because the ones in power currently are doing a fabulous job. Even the music industry got castrated and is only producing commercialised mainstream rubbish... "
Apathy DH. .. it'll be the ruination of us all |
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By *appyPandaMan
over a year ago
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"The totalitarian regimes will come from the left.
Agreed.
It'll be far right resigns conservatism. .. the seeds have already been planted on that one and it is growing. Study countries with shariah law, look at Afghanistan in the 70s. You'll be surprised. Study American politics at the moment and the current administrations policies towards in particular reproductive rIghts of women. It's all conservative religious groupsDont forget Iran before Sharia law was enforced on women and girls.."
A whole lot of Islamic countries have changed completely since a rise in fundamentalism in the last couple of decades. You mentioned Iran, but Afghanistan is another country that was pretty close to the west in the 70s. |
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"The totalitarian regimes will come from the left.
Agreed.
It'll be far right resigns conservatism. .. the seeds have already been planted on that one and it is growing. Study countries with shariah law, look at Afghanistan in the 70s. You'll be surprised. Study American politics at the moment and the current administrations policies towards in particular reproductive rIghts of women. It's all conservative religious groupsDont forget Iran before Sharia law was enforced on women and girls.."
They'd a progressive well educated population ... it's still there just oppressed. |
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"Read the book and was horrified and stuck to it completely. Haven't yet seen the show but definitely hope to start it shortly."
As an at wood fan I was cynical about the series. It's blown me away by the caliber of both the story line and the acting. They have excluded the racial divide and the power of the Baptists. . Canada is still saving grace though. At wood herself is on the writing team and it shows |
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By *appyPandaMan
over a year ago
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"Read the book and was horrified and stuck to it completely. Haven't yet seen the show but definitely hope to start it shortly.
As an at wood fan I was cynical about the series. It's blown me away by the caliber of both the story line and the acting. They have excluded the racial divide and the power of the Baptists. . Canada is still saving grace though. At wood herself is on the writing team and it shows "
It definitely is always better when the author themself has a good role in the TV or movie adaptation and they're definitely highly motivated as it speaks of an extremely plausible scenario.
All it takes to change a society completely is a couple of decades. |
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"Read the book and was horrified and stuck to it completely. Haven't yet seen the show but definitely hope to start it shortly.
As an at wood fan I was cynical about the series. It's blown me away by the caliber of both the story line and the acting. They have excluded the racial divide and the power of the Baptists. . Canada is still saving grace though. At wood herself is on the writing team and it shows
It definitely is always better when the author themself has a good role in the TV or movie adaptation and they're definitely highly motivated as it speaks of an extremely plausible scenario.
All it takes to change a society completely is a couple of decades."
Oh yes panda. . I slight shift more to the right and we'll not be so happy |
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Religion won't control America in the future. 1/4 of Americans describe themselves as having no religion and alot more are people that say they're Christians /Muslims etc...but wouldn't know much about their religion like 90% of Ireland. I don't know single person that goes to mass regularly (grandparents and most older relatives are dead) yet when we fill out forms we say we're Catholics. We'll be controlled by security measures and giving up freedom for comforts. |
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By *appyPandaMan
over a year ago
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"Read the book and was horrified and stuck to it completely. Haven't yet seen the show but definitely hope to start it shortly.
As an at wood fan I was cynical about the series. It's blown me away by the caliber of both the story line and the acting. They have excluded the racial divide and the power of the Baptists. . Canada is still saving grace though. At wood herself is on the writing team and it shows
It definitely is always better when the author themself has a good role in the TV or movie adaptation and they're definitely highly motivated as it speaks of an extremely plausible scenario.
All it takes to change a society completely is a couple of decades.
Oh yes panda. . I slight shift more to the right and we'll not be so happy "
I'll get back to reading the Noam Chomsky books, hoping for the impractical libertarian socialist utopia. |
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"Religion won't control America in the future. 1/4 of Americans describe themselves as having no religion and alot more are people that say they're Christians /Muslims etc...but wouldn't know much about their religion like 90% of Ireland. I don't know single person that goes to mass regularly (grandparents and most older relatives are dead) yet when we fill out forms we say we're Catholics. We'll be controlled by security measures and giving up freedom for comforts. "
Islam is the fastest growing religion at the moment...
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By *appyPandaMan
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"Religion won't control America in the future. 1/4 of Americans describe themselves as having no religion and alot more are people that say they're Christians /Muslims etc...but wouldn't know much about their religion like 90% of Ireland. I don't know single person that goes to mass regularly (grandparents and most older relatives are dead) yet when we fill out forms we say we're Catholics. We'll be controlled by security measures and giving up freedom for comforts. Islam is the fastest growing religion at the moment..."
And while we can have hope in the growing apostate movement and Muslims calling for a proper Islamic Reformation like Christianity had, every time it's been attempted in the past, it's been dealt with through a violent backlash from those who wish to keep it in the past. |
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"Religion won't control America in the future. 1/4 of Americans describe themselves as having no religion and alot more are people that say they're Christians /Muslims etc...but wouldn't know much about their religion like 90% of Ireland. I don't know single person that goes to mass regularly (grandparents and most older relatives are dead) yet when we fill out forms we say we're Catholics. We'll be controlled by security measures and giving up freedom for comforts. Islam is the fastest growing religion at the moment..."
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"Religion won't control America in the future. 1/4 of Americans describe themselves as having no religion and alot more are people that say they're Christians /Muslims etc...but wouldn't know much about their religion like 90% of Ireland. I don't know single person that goes to mass regularly (grandparents and most older relatives are dead) yet when we fill out forms we say we're Catholics. We'll be controlled by security measures and giving up freedom for comforts. Islam is the fastest growing religion at the moment...
Ya but the amount on people not taking religion seriously is growing faster "
The trouble with religion in the US is that if you are religious over there you are fully fledged extreme orthodox. Been there many many times and often shocked at how feckin Catholic the Catholics are. I would consider them ultra conservative and far right of the Pope.
Funny thing, nothing in the history of human kind has been responsible for more cruelty and deaths than religion. |
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"Read the book and was horrified and stuck to it completely. Haven't yet seen the show but definitely hope to start it shortly.
As an at wood fan I was cynical about the series. It's blown me away by the caliber of both the story line and the acting. They have excluded the racial divide and the power of the Baptists. . Canada is still saving grace though. At wood herself is on the writing team and it shows
It definitely is always better when the author themself has a good role in the TV or movie adaptation and they're definitely highly motivated as it speaks of an extremely plausible scenario.
All it takes to change a society completely is a couple of decades.
Oh yes panda. . I slight shift more to the right and we'll not be so happy
I'll get back to reading the Noam Chomsky books, hoping for the impractical libertarian socialist utopia."
OK sounds far more pleasant and no going round saying praise be to everyone |
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"Religion won't control America in the future. 1/4 of Americans describe themselves as having no religion and alot more are people that say they're Christians /Muslims etc...but wouldn't know much about their religion like 90% of Ireland. I don't know single person that goes to mass regularly (grandparents and most older relatives are dead) yet when we fill out forms we say we're Catholics. We'll be controlled by security measures and giving up freedom for comforts. Islam is the fastest growing religion at the moment...
Ya but the amount on people not taking religion seriously is growing faster "
All it takes is 1/3 of the population to agree on a cause. Totalitarian societies are more usually about the minority that hold power over the majority that live in it. ... one third of a population is far from everyone |
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"Lots of Islamic women are very happy too though, depending on the country. There's more to the culture than meets the eye. Have you been to any countries that have Islam as their main religion ????...,"
Yes and that's where I've formed my views. Real life observation of happy families and smiling faces.
In others there is horrible abuse of women. It's not all black and white. |
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Communism was a left wing ideology...redistribution of wealth leading to decades of misery, destitution and countless murders.
Capitalism for all its sins never fucked so many people so hard.
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Feminism and antifa and BLM have an element of zealotry similar to any religion all wrapped in an easily swallow fluffy lining of doing the "right" thing.
Has anyone read Jordan Peterson's book?
The only path forward is centrist politics grounded in objective reality and humility and designed with a basis in equality of opportunity (not outcome...impossible without dangerous intervention). |
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"Read the book and was horrified and stuck to it completely. Haven't yet seen the show but definitely hope to start it shortly.
As an at wood fan I was cynical about the series. It's blown me away by the caliber of both the story line and the acting. They have excluded the racial divide and the power of the Baptists. . Canada is still saving grace though. At wood herself is on the writing team and it shows "
Great author. I haven't watched the series as I don't generally watch TV. Saw the movie year's ago and read the book. |
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"Feminism and antifa and BLM have an element of zealotry similar to any religion all wrapped in an easily swallow fluffy lining of doing the "right" thing.
Has anyone read Jordan Peterson's book?
The only path forward is centrist politics grounded in objective reality and humility and designed with a basis in equality of opportunity (not outcome...impossible without dangerous intervention). "
I've not read this but as I'm a passionate feminist I'll put it on my list. I firmly believe in continuing education. Open mind leads to real learning |
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"Read the book and was horrified and stuck to it completely. Haven't yet seen the show but definitely hope to start it shortly.
As an at wood fan I was cynical about the series. It's blown me away by the caliber of both the story line and the acting. They have excluded the racial divide and the power of the Baptists. . Canada is still saving grace though. At wood herself is on the writing team and it shows
Great author. I haven't watched the series as I don't generally watch TV. Saw the movie year's ago and read the book. "
Madam I highly recommend this series. I'm an avid reader and a huge fan of the author. This is a fine piece of work. It's beautifully adapted and far and above anything that's been done before |
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"Read the book and was horrified and stuck to it completely. Haven't yet seen the show but definitely hope to start it shortly.
As an at wood fan I was cynical about the series. It's blown me away by the caliber of both the story line and the acting. They have excluded the racial divide and the power of the Baptists. . Canada is still saving grace though. At wood herself is on the writing team and it shows
Great author. I haven't watched the series as I don't generally watch TV. Saw the movie year's ago and read the book.
Madam I highly recommend this series. I'm an avid reader and a huge fan of the author. This is a fine piece of work. It's beautifully adapted and far and above anything that's been done before "
You are selling it well RR |
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"Read the book and was horrified and stuck to it completely. Haven't yet seen the show but definitely hope to start it shortly.
As an at wood fan I was cynical about the series. It's blown me away by the caliber of both the story line and the acting. They have excluded the racial divide and the power of the Baptists. . Canada is still saving grace though. At wood herself is on the writing team and it shows
Great author. I haven't watched the series as I don't generally watch TV. Saw the movie year's ago and read the book.
Madam I highly recommend this series. I'm an avid reader and a huge fan of the author. This is a fine piece of work. It's beautifully adapted and far and above anything that's been done before
You are selling it well RR "
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"Lots of Islamic women are very happy too though, depending on the country. There's more to the culture than meets the eye. Have you been to any countries that have Islam as their main religion ????...,
Yes and that's where I've formed my views. Real life observation of happy families and smiling faces.
In others there is horrible abuse of women. It's not all black and white. "
I have had real life observation of it to...and iv not seen to many happy / smiling faces....
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"Lots of Islamic women are very happy too though, depending on the country. There's more to the culture than meets the eye. Have you been to any countries that have Islam as their main religion ????...,
Yes and that's where I've formed my views. Real life observation of happy families and smiling faces.
In others there is horrible abuse of women. It's not all black and white. I have had real life observation of it to...and iv not seen to many happy / smiling faces....
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Depends where you go and what preconceptions you bring with you.
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"Lots of Islamic women are very happy too though, depending on the country. There's more to the culture than meets the eye. Have you been to any countries that have Islam as their main religion ????...,
Yes and that's where I've formed my views. Real life observation of happy families and smiling faces.
In others there is horrible abuse of women. It's not all black and white. I have had real life observation of it to...and iv not seen to many happy / smiling faces....
Depends where you go and what preconceptions you bring with you.
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...my views weren't formed until after I'd seen things first hand....add to that what's happening across Europe for the last 4 years or so won't exactly help people's views,that have been paying attention that is...but that's a different matter from op's original post. |
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It's very difficult to quantify happiness, many people have a public face that's very different to their private one, and some of the countries with the highest "happiness" and "quality of life" indicators have high suicide rates, so I'd be very wary of declaring others as happy based on their outward demeanour. |
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This is a beautiful series to watch as in how it is shot ....the camera angles ..close and intense ...others wide and dramatic....the colours ...the rooms decor ...loved all of that....the first
series was more visual I feel...the story line and content for me lost its way in the second series but still very watchable. Apples |
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"Lots of Islamic women are very happy too though, depending on the country. There's more to the culture than meets the eye. Have you been to any countries that have Islam as their main religion ????...,
Yes and that's where I've formed my views. Real life observation of happy families and smiling faces.
In others there is horrible abuse of women. It's not all black and white. I have had real life observation of it to...and iv not seen to many happy / smiling faces....
Depends where you go and what preconceptions you bring with you.
...my views weren't formed until after I'd seen things first hand....add to that what's happening across Europe for the last 4 years or so won't exactly help people's views,that have been paying attention that is...but that's a different matter from op's original post."
You are painting billions with the same brush.
What did you see first hand and where? |
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"It's very difficult to quantify happiness, many people have a public face that's very different to their private one, and some of the countries with the highest "happiness" and "quality of life" indicators have high suicide rates, so I'd be very wary of declaring others as happy based on their outward demeanour."
Maybe but it's a bit rich to think that people can't be happy with their faith and lifestyle just because there are bad actors within it.
Many Islamic families have deep loving bonds and treat each other like king and queen. |
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"This is a beautiful series to watch as in how it is shot ....the camera angles ..close and intense ...others wide and dramatic....the colours ...the rooms decor ...loved all of that....the first
series was more visual I feel...the story line and content for me lost its way in the second series but still very watchable. Apples"
Love your observations as far as how it was shot i agree. The intensity of the close up on June's face ... you actually felt her emotions. The colours and lighting were almost mesmerising along with the quiet. No modern noise ...it drew you in.
The second series story line I loved ... I felt Junes anger came out more and they humanised Serena. She is another victim of the regime. June remained central throughout it all.
My favourite line of the series June complains " I think I broke my hand when I hit him" (commander Waterford)
Rita.... " praise be" ... loved it |
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Rover...I meant to commend your openness earlier. Jordan Peterson has been condemned (wrongly) by feminists because he takes some good swipes at your core assumptions.
It's a great book that is certainly thought provoking. First few chapters are hard going with all the Bible stuff but the second half is brilliant. |
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"Lots of Islamic women are very happy too though, depending on the country. There's more to the culture than meets the eye. Have you been to any countries that have Islam as their main religion ????...,
Yes and that's where I've formed my views. Real life observation of happy families and smiling faces.
In others there is horrible abuse of women. It's not all black and white. I have had real life observation of it to...and iv not seen to many happy / smiling faces....
Depends where you go and what preconceptions you bring with you.
...my views weren't formed until after I'd seen things first hand....add to that what's happening across Europe for the last 4 years or so won't exactly help people's views,that have been paying attention that is...but that's a different matter from op's original post.
You are painting billions with the same brush.
What did you see first hand and where?"
If you don't mind me interjecting gentlemen while religious oppression happens and women's rights are abused it's dangerous to generalise. Islam at it's core is a very calm and loving religion. .. a lot of women find comfort and beauty in their headscarves. As it's my right to wear what I want it's also their right. It's the oppression, and violation of human rights that's the issue. Plenty of woman are happy and content within their societies the issue lies within countries like Iran and Afghanistan where little girls are been shot because they want to learn. The evil is not a burka the evil is and always will be the man holding the gun.
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"Rover...I meant to commend your openness earlier. Jordan Peterson has been condemned (wrongly) by feminists because he takes some good swipes at your core assumptions.
It's a great book that is certainly thought provoking. First few chapters are hard going with all the Bible stuff but the second half is brilliant."
When it comes to what I believe I'm confident enough in my core values to read and learn from those that don't agree with me. How can anyone debate an issue if you only know half the story |
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"It's very difficult to quantify happiness, many people have a public face that's very different to their private one, and some of the countries with the highest "happiness" and "quality of life" indicators have high suicide rates, so I'd be very wary of declaring others as happy based on their outward demeanour.
Maybe but it's a bit rich to think that people can't be happy with their faith and lifestyle just because there are bad actors within it.
Many Islamic families have deep loving bonds and treat each other like king and queen. "
There are good and bad people of every lifestyle, religious or political affiliation. It's the bad that are the problem, in every situation, there is no utopia. |
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"Rover...I meant to commend your openness earlier. Jordan Peterson has been condemned (wrongly) by feminists because he takes some good swipes at your core assumptions.
It's a great book that is certainly thought provoking. First few chapters are hard going with all the Bible stuff but the second half is brilliant.
When it comes to what I believe I'm confident enough in my core values to read and learn from those that don't agree with me. How can anyone debate an issue if you only know half the story "
We never know the full truth of any situation, realistically. |
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"Rover...I meant to commend your openness earlier. Jordan Peterson has been condemned (wrongly) by feminists because he takes some good swipes at your core assumptions.
It's a great book that is certainly thought provoking. First few chapters are hard going with all the Bible stuff but the second half is brilliant.
When it comes to what I believe I'm confident enough in my core values to read and learn from those that don't agree with me. How can anyone debate an issue if you only know half the story "
We probably share the same values.
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"Lots of Islamic women are very happy too though, depending on the country. There's more to the culture than meets the eye. Have you been to any countries that have Islam as their main religion ????...,
Yes and that's where I've formed my views. Real life observation of happy families and smiling faces.
In others there is horrible abuse of women. It's not all black and white. I have had real life observation of it to...and iv not seen to many happy / smiling faces....
Depends where you go and what preconceptions you bring with you.
...my views weren't formed until after I'd seen things first hand....add to that what's happening across Europe for the last 4 years or so won't exactly help people's views,that have been paying attention that is...but that's a different matter from op's original post.
You are painting billions with the same brush.
What did you see first hand and where?
If you don't mind me interjecting gentlemen while religious oppression happens and women's rights are abused it's dangerous to generalise. Islam at it's core is a very calm and loving religion. .. a lot of women find comfort and beauty in their headscarves. As it's my right to wear what I want it's also their right. It's the oppression, and violation of human rights that's the issue. Plenty of woman are happy and content within their societies the issue lies within countries like Iran and Afghanistan where little girls are been shot because they want to learn. The evil is not a burka the evil is and always will be the man holding the gun.
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I like how they made Serena somewhat understandable, still hoping she doesn’t survive the series though.
The show really portrays the hypocrisy of the fundamentalists. Sex should only be for conception yet happy to run whore houses with the women who wouldn’t submit to the handmaids role. The children are so important yet happy to let them die rather then get the best medical care for them. Can’t wait for the next series |
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