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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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The people who sheltered Jews in hidden rooms, attics and basements during the holocaust broke the law. The people who smuggled 7,000 Jews out of Denmark were breaking the law. Harriet Tubman broke the law. Martin Luther King broke the law. The Tea Party broke the law.
If standing up for truth and justice and human rights is breaking the law then break the law.
Putting kids in cages is beyond reprehensible. Indefensible. |
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"The people who sheltered Jews in hidden rooms, attics and basements during the holocaust broke the law. The people who smuggled 7,000 Jews out of Denmark were breaking the law. Harriet Tubman broke the law. Martin Luther King broke the law. The Tea Party broke the law.
If standing up for truth and justice and human rights is breaking the law then break the law.
Putting kids in cages is beyond reprehensible. Indefensible. "
Brilliant. Well said.
The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything ? Albert Einstein
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I've been watching the news channels and reading the stories and I am beyond words.
The act of separating kids from their families is unthinkable, especially after trauma.
Regardless of how they came to be, there is absolutely no just cause or defense by the U.S. in doing this.
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By *un4tooCouple
over a year ago
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Just following through on what Obama was doing albeit more forcefully. This was highlighted as a policy last April. why is anyone surprised or outraged only now ?
100 thousand illegal immigrant crossings in april alone, something had to give. No country can handle that. Trump is defo going the wrong way about it, even his wife has spoken against it. Building that wall doesn't seem as bad in comparison to this. Shocking video and audio going around the news sites. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Where is the UN , where are the Child welfare agencies in the US, were this in another country Trump & his ilk would be up in arms. .. he should be charged with Crime against Humanity |
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Is it inhumane to keep children out of an adult detention facility while adults are being processed?
Fact is, everyone who breaks the law gets separated from their children at some point. The parents know this and still do it. Who would knowingly put their children through this?
At least he is not as bad as Obama, Obama took 5000 children off parents, put the children into foster care, and deported the parents. 5000.
If you expect children to stay with their parents, then America should spend a couple of hundred million building private suites and family living quarters for illegal immigrants to be processed in. Because asking them to be kept with the parents in the current facilities is depraved. |
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"The longer trumps in power the more it seems possible that a gilead like state could happen. "
But he didnt start any of these schemes, not one, he even removed the crueler ones. Obama did all of this and more. Obama was known as the deporter in chief. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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This is just another anti trump thread, poster in completely entitled to post as they please but there's a politics section. There's channels to follow for immigration. If you do it illegally you take a chance of things going very wrong. America is protecting America, I've said it before America only cares about America. Its not nice what's happening but I feel they're within their rights to get tough on illegal immigration |
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Trump even asked all states to send national guard/resources so they could process the people as quickly as possible, they could return them to their children and send them home.
Loads of states refused, the same states that are complaining about the children being kept from their parents.
Its internal politics of America. New york and LA want the backlog to jam up so they can show kids being seperated from parents for a long time. |
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By *un4tooCouple
over a year ago
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"This is just another anti trump thread, poster in completely entitled to post as they please but there's a politics section. There's channels to follow for immigration. If you do it illegally you take a chance of things going very wrong. America is protecting America, I've said it before America only cares about America. Its not nice what's happening but I feel they're within their rights to get tough on illegal immigration "
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And that's why trump will be voted in again. He is the only one to seem to have Americans best interests at heart. As inhumane as some of it sounds, most of it is a necessity. The media hate trump and had a chance to pounce here with this.
He's a man of his word. Obama was a president who spoke what wanted to be heard, very little action tho. |
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By *exmark12Man
over a year ago
Rathcoole/Roscommon/Mayo |
The land of the free.So sad the Great USA is disintegrating So Sad a country built by emigrants from everywhere is now being hijacked by a Bigot and supported by spineless party hacks.Ryan dihonouring his Irish Emigrant heritage by not standing up to Trump He is a nodding Dog |
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By *exmark12Man
over a year ago
Rathcoole/Roscommon/Mayo |
The land of the free.So sad the Great USA is disintegrating So Sad a country built by emigrants from everywhere is now being hijacked by a Bigot and supported by spineless party hacks.Ryan dihonouring his Irish Emigrant heritage by not standing up to Trump He is a nodding Dog |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"This is just another anti trump thread, poster in completely entitled to post as they please but there's a politics section. There's channels to follow for immigration. If you do it illegally you take a chance of things going very wrong. America is protecting America, I've said it before America only cares about America. Its not nice what's happening but I feel they're within their rights to get tough on illegal immigration "
Rosa Parks broke the law. Should she have been a quiet obedient black girl ?
Millions of Americans are descendants of illegal Irish who broke the law. Some forget their ancestry when it suits.
Nelson Mandela broke the law.
Aung San Suu Kyi broke the law.
Gandhi broke the law.
Roxana Saberi broke the law.
Gay people break the law by being gay in some countries.
Atheists break the law for being atheist in some countries.
Sometimes the law is bullshit to suit certain sections of society |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I call bullshit on anyone who thinks trump is doing anything in the interest of america....trump only thinks about trump,hes proven time and time again he is a thief and a liar and someone who only has his self interest in mind,if he really wanted to fix america hed start by sorting out their medical services and educational service which are both in absolute shambles,but apparently theres no money for that,oh but there is always a few billion to spend invading and bombing the shit out of countries who dont bow to america... |
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"The US is a dictatorship and has no interest in human rights or doing the right thing and that won't change anytime soon "
LOL, am I wrong in thinking there was a presidential election held in the US in November 2016. Just because you don’t agree with their policies doesn’t make it a dictatorship.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This is just another anti trump thread, poster in completely entitled to post as they please but there's a politics section. There's channels to follow for immigration. If you do it illegally you take a chance of things going very wrong. America is protecting America, I've said it before America only cares about America. Its not nice what's happening but I feel they're within their rights to get tough on illegal immigration
Rosa Parks broke the law. Should she have been a quiet obedient black girl ?
Millions of Americans are descendants of illegal Irish who broke the law. Some forget their ancestry when it suits.
Nelson Mandela broke the law.
Aung San Suu Kyi broke the law.
Gandhi broke the law.
Roxana Saberi broke the law.
Gay people break the law by being gay in some countries.
Atheists break the law for being atheist in some countries.
Sometimes the law is bullshit to suit certain sections of society "
You know Mandela was a terrorist, ghandi was racist and the Burmese one is a bit dodgy too, denies ethnic cleansing in her country. Anyway I personally would be against mass illegal immigration too. I don't see any reason why that's a bad thing. |
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By *ack 188Man
over a year ago
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Why doesn't Mexico do something about this situation, maybe it's because money (56 billion dollars per year imported from illegal immigrants ).You can't have a lawless society, if you commit a crime in Ireland or any civalised society of course you will be separated from your kids.You can't pick and choose the laws you want which seems the suggestion of the OP,maybe he likes sharia law.children in cages is a farce the OP is spreading left wing propaganda I'm afraid |
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I'd say America is following the principles of Realpolitik, as Bismarck defined them in the 18th century. As one of the posts put it earlier, America is putting America first. Not making a value judgement, only stating a fact. I'd put before you the way we treat Asylum Seekers in Europe (overcrowding accommodation conditions, forced detention) and they would have rights under international treaties, are not considered law breakers!
Another thing is that we tend to react emotionally when we see news involving vulnerable individuals (which is a natural and commendable attitude). What I'm curios though, is what my fellow swingers see as a possible solution. |
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By *ack 188Man
over a year ago
Dublin 15 |
"I'd say America is following the principles of Realpolitik, as Bismarck defined them in the 18th century. As one of the posts put it earlier, America is putting America first. Not making a value judgement, only stating a fact. I'd put before you the way we treat Asylum Seekers in Europe (overcrowding accommodation conditions, forced detention) and they would have rights under international treaties, are not considered law breakers!
Another thing is that we tend to react emotionally when we see news involving vulnerable individuals (which is a natural and commendable attitude). What I'm curios though, is what my fellow swingers see as a possible solution. "
You should take a look at Mexico's immigration policy, it's a lot more strict than the US policy. Build a wall |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I remember some year's ago they were talking about building a wall around Donegal.The north and south to keep them out by God I'd build it tall.Dont know did it go ahead or not. |
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By *aid backMan
over a year ago
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"I remember some year's ago they were talking about building a wall around Donegal.The north and south to keep them out by God I'd build it tall.Dont know did it go ahead or not."
Did they build the casinos and chicken ranches? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I remember some year's ago they were talking about building a wall around Donegal.The north and south to keep them out by God I'd build it tall.Dont know did it go ahead or not.
Did they build the casinos and chicken ranches? "
They would have their own los Vegas in the hills of Donegal. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Realistically it's not about immigration. It's about wanting America to be whiter. To "take back" their country. Wonder how the natives feel about their ancestors land being invaded by immigrants and being killed off en masse. |
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"Realistically it's not about immigration. It's about wanting America to be whiter. To "take back" their country. Wonder how the natives feel about their ancestors land being invaded by immigrants and being killed off en masse. "
No its about immigration. Obama had strong policies too. If Irish people were getting in in the hundreds of thousands every year and disappearing they'd do the same to us. We are doing it but nowhere near those numbers. |
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"The people who sheltered Jews in hidden rooms, attics and basements during the holocaust broke the law. The people who smuggled 7,000 Jews out of Denmark were breaking the law. Harriet Tubman broke the law. Martin Luther King broke the law. The Tea Party broke the law.
If standing up for truth and justice and human rights is breaking the law then break the law.
Putting kids in cages is beyond reprehensible. Indefensible. "
What is happening in America is absolutely disgusting. The fact that the government can justify it is beyond comprehension for me. When Trump was elected I couldn't help wondering what agenda was behind putting that loudmouth clown in the Oval Office. I still don't know the answer to that question, but I shudder to think what the answer is when I see what they are doing to immigrant children today. Their actions are vile and inexcusable. |
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By *ack 188Man
over a year ago
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"Realistically it's not about immigration. It's about wanting America to be whiter. To "take back" their country. Wonder how the natives feel about their ancestors land being invaded by immigrants and being killed off en masse. "
bolloxoligy |
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"Realistically it's not about immigration. It's about wanting America to be whiter. To "take back" their country. Wonder how the natives feel about their ancestors land being invaded by immigrants and being killed off en masse.
No its about immigration. Obama had strong policies too. If Irish people were getting in in the hundreds of thousands every year and disappearing they'd do the same to us. We are doing it but nowhere near those numbers. "
I disagree with this, it's not about immigration, it's about money. There is a lot of Irish money in America, that's the reason that they turn a blind eye to the illegal Irish there. The only Mexican money in America comes from drugs and contraband. If they had as many investors in big business as the Irish do then a blind eye would be turned to their illegal immigrants too. |
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By *aid backMan
over a year ago
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Yes the separation of kids from parents is shocking but it's every country's right to allow who ever they want into their country. You can't have free for all immigration.
Imagine if brexit causes the UK yo become a 3rd world country and 8 million British people arrived in Ireland. It would cause an unbalance in the population more people in Ireland would actually be British and democratically they could change the future of the country. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Realistically it's not about immigration. It's about wanting America to be whiter. To "take back" their country. Wonder how the natives feel about their ancestors land being invaded by immigrants and being killed off en masse.
No its about immigration. Obama had strong policies too. If Irish people were getting in in the hundreds of thousands every year and disappearing they'd do the same to us. We are doing it but nowhere near those numbers. "
How many white people are getting the same treatment in the u.s ?
Millions of Americans are descendants of illegal Irish immigrants. Literally millions.
The rhetoric of last night is that immigrants are infesting the u.s, sounds a lot like the nazis.. funny that the neo nazis seem so much on board with Trump. |
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"Why doesn't Mexico do something about this situation, maybe it's because money (56 billion dollars per year imported from illegal immigrants ).You can't have a lawless society, if you commit a crime in Ireland or any civalised society of course you will be separated from your kids.You can't pick and choose the laws you want which seems the suggestion of the OP,maybe he likes sharia law.children in cages is a farce the OP is spreading left wing propaganda I'm afraid "
So children aren't being kept in cages, are they? Why is it automatically considered to be propaganda or lies when a left leaning person makes a statement? |
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"Realistically it's not about immigration. It's about wanting America to be whiter. To "take back" their country. Wonder how the natives feel about their ancestors land being invaded by immigrants and being killed off en masse.
No its about immigration. Obama had strong policies too. If Irish people were getting in in the hundreds of thousands every year and disappearing they'd do the same to us. We are doing it but nowhere near those numbers.
How many white people are getting the same treatment in the u.s ?
Millions of Americans are descendants of illegal Irish immigrants. Literally millions.
The rhetoric of last night is that immigrants are infesting the u.s, sounds a lot like the nazis.. funny that the neo nazis seem so much on board with Trump."
How many white people are crossing illegally en masse? From where? |
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"Yes the separation of kids from parents is shocking but it's every country's right to allow who ever they want into their country. You can't have free for all immigration.
Imagine if brexit causes the UK yo become a 3rd world country and 8 million British people arrived in Ireland. It would cause an unbalance in the population more people in Ireland would actually be British and democratically they could change the future of the country. "
It's not about free for all immigration! If illegal immigrants are sent back over the border, then that's fine. But separating young children from their parents and detaining them in less than humans conditions is a breach of basic human rights. |
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"Yes the separation of kids from parents is shocking but it's every country's right to allow who ever they want into their country. You can't have free for all immigration.
Imagine if brexit causes the UK yo become a 3rd world country and 8 million British people arrived in Ireland. It would cause an unbalance in the population more people in Ireland would actually be British and democratically they could change the future of the country.
It's not about free for all immigration! If illegal immigrants are sent back over the border, then that's fine. But separating young children from their parents and detaining them in less than humans conditions is a breach of basic human rights."
Have to agree. It's horrible to take babies under 12 months some with mental and physical impairments and separate them from their parents in a new country where they will fall through the cracks in the system
Horrible.... I mean inhumane |
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"Realistically it's not about immigration. It's about wanting America to be whiter. To "take back" their country. Wonder how the natives feel about their ancestors land being invaded by immigrants and being killed off en masse.
No its about immigration. Obama had strong policies too. If Irish people were getting in in the hundreds of thousands every year and disappearing they'd do the same to us. We are doing it but nowhere near those numbers.
How many white people are getting the same treatment in the u.s ?
Millions of Americans are descendants of illegal Irish immigrants. Literally millions.
The rhetoric of last night is that immigrants are infesting the u.s, sounds a lot like the nazis.. funny that the neo nazis seem so much on board with Trump.
How many white people are crossing illegally en masse? From where? "
Ask the people at Standing Rock if you want a proper answer to that question. |
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By *ack 188Man
over a year ago
Dublin 15 |
"Why doesn't Mexico do something about this situation, maybe it's because money (56 billion dollars per year imported from illegal immigrants ).You can't have a lawless society, if you commit a crime in Ireland or any civalised society of course you will be separated from your kids.You can't pick and choose the laws you want which seems the suggestion of the OP,maybe he likes sharia law.children in cages is a farce the OP is spreading left wing propaganda I'm afraid
So children aren't being kept in cages, are they? Why is it automatically considered to be propaganda or lies when a left leaning person makes a statement?"
this came into law during the Clinton administration and Obama certainly enforced the law....nothing said then |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Realistically it's not about immigration. It's about wanting America to be whiter. To "take back" their country. Wonder how the natives feel about their ancestors land being invaded by immigrants and being killed off en masse.
No its about immigration. Obama had strong policies too. If Irish people were getting in in the hundreds of thousands every year and disappearing they'd do the same to us. We are doing it but nowhere near those numbers.
How many white people are getting the same treatment in the u.s ?
Millions of Americans are descendants of illegal Irish immigrants. Literally millions.
The rhetoric of last night is that immigrants are infesting the u.s, sounds a lot like the nazis.. funny that the neo nazis seem so much on board with Trump.
How many white people are crossing illegally en masse? From where? "
Wow. Seriously. Did you hear of this thing called a plane ? It is essentially like a large cylinder shaped mode of transportation that can fly people from one country thousands of miles away to another one. Cuts out the need for "border crossings" .
Do you honestly think all the Irish who emigrated to the states all had green cards ?
"Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival...), irrespective of such alien's status, may apply for asylum" |
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"Why doesn't Mexico do something about this situation, maybe it's because money (56 billion dollars per year imported from illegal immigrants ).You can't have a lawless society, if you commit a crime in Ireland or any civalised society of course you will be separated from your kids.You can't pick and choose the laws you want which seems the suggestion of the OP,maybe he likes sharia law.children in cages is a farce the OP is spreading left wing propaganda I'm afraid
So children aren't being kept in cages, are they? Why is it automatically considered to be propaganda or lies when a left leaning person makes a statement?
this came into law during the Clinton administration and Obama certainly enforced the law....nothing said then"
For the simple reason that the media didn't pick up on it, therefore it wasn't broadcast, and and people didn't hear about it. Whichever administration brings it in is insignificant, what matters is that these practices are inhumane, no human being deserves to be treated like this... even if their skin is the wrong color! |
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"Realistically it's not about immigration. It's about wanting America to be whiter. To "take back" their country. Wonder how the natives feel about their ancestors land being invaded by immigrants and being killed off en masse.
No its about immigration. Obama had strong policies too. If Irish people were getting in in the hundreds of thousands every year and disappearing they'd do the same to us. We are doing it but nowhere near those numbers.
How many white people are getting the same treatment in the u.s ?
Millions of Americans are descendants of illegal Irish immigrants. Literally millions.
The rhetoric of last night is that immigrants are infesting the u.s, sounds a lot like the nazis.. funny that the neo nazis seem so much on board with Trump.
How many white people are crossing illegally en masse? From where?
Wow. Seriously. Did you hear of this thing called a plane ? It is essentially like a large cylinder shaped mode of transportation that can fly people from one country thousands of miles away to another one. Cuts out the need for "border crossings" .
Do you honestly think all the Irish who emigrated to the states all had green cards ?
"Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival...), irrespective of such alien's status, may apply for asylum""
I asked for numbers. 50% of all illegal immigration into America is from Mexico. In 1970 counting illegal and legals there was a reported 760k Mexicans in America, today there's about 12mil. Nothing wrong with Mexicans but they're the biggest abusers of illegal immigration. 6% of illegal immigration is attributed to Europe and Canada and I doubt everyone from there is white. White people don't generally do illegal immigration today. The Irish did it a long time ago and if they were caught they were caught. I don't expect different rules so why keep saying "the Irish did it, the Irish did it" |
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"The Irish travelled to America on a waiver 90 day visa.if the stayed on longer they have broken the law."
Exactly it's like they think I'm suddenly going to say the law shouldn't apply cause some Irish person wants to break it. I don't care who breaks the law. If the law is broken by you then you must deal with the consequences. It's almost racist to think I care about which nationality breaks the law. I don't I care about the Law not being broken. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Realistically it's not about immigration. It's about wanting America to be whiter. To "take back" their country. Wonder how the natives feel about their ancestors land being invaded by immigrants and being killed off en masse.
No its about immigration. Obama had strong policies too. If Irish people were getting in in the hundreds of thousands every year and disappearing they'd do the same to us. We are doing it but nowhere near those numbers.
How many white people are getting the same treatment in the u.s ?
Millions of Americans are descendants of illegal Irish immigrants. Literally millions.
The rhetoric of last night is that immigrants are infesting the u.s, sounds a lot like the nazis.. funny that the neo nazis seem so much on board with Trump.
How many white people are crossing illegally en masse? From where?
Wow. Seriously. Did you hear of this thing called a plane ? It is essentially like a large cylinder shaped mode of transportation that can fly people from one country thousands of miles away to another one. Cuts out the need for "border crossings" .
Do you honestly think all the Irish who emigrated to the states all had green cards ?
"Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival...), irrespective of such alien's status, may apply for asylum"
I asked for numbers. 50% of all illegal immigration into America is from Mexico. In 1970 counting illegal and legals there was a reported 760k Mexicans in America, today there's about 12mil. Nothing wrong with Mexicans but they're the biggest abusers of illegal immigration. 6% of illegal immigration is attributed to Europe and Canada and I doubt everyone from there is white. White people don't generally do illegal immigration today. The Irish did it a long time ago and if they were caught they were caught. I don't expect different rules so why keep saying "the Irish did it, the Irish did it" "
So a long time ago doesn't count ? Ireland as a country has improved from from the times where vast numbers left the country but I lived in the states long enough to know there is still plenty of Irish are taking a chance in certain cities within the u.s
Ever read up on the genocide of the American Indians by the ancestors of the "true Americans" of today ? |
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"The Irish travelled to America on a waiver 90 day visa.if the stayed on longer they have broken the law.
Exactly it's like they think I'm suddenly going to say the law shouldn't apply cause some Irish person wants to break it. I don't care who breaks the law. If the law is broken by you then you must deal with the consequences. It's almost racist to think I care about which nationality breaks the law. I don't I care about the Law not being broken. "
So you wouldn't have an issue with an illegal Irish family being separated, and the children being kept in cages? |
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"Realistically it's not about immigration. It's about wanting America to be whiter. To "take back" their country. Wonder how the natives feel about their ancestors land being invaded by immigrants and being killed off en masse.
No its about immigration. Obama had strong policies too. If Irish people were getting in in the hundreds of thousands every year and disappearing they'd do the same to us. We are doing it but nowhere near those numbers.
How many white people are getting the same treatment in the u.s ?
Millions of Americans are descendants of illegal Irish immigrants. Literally millions.
The rhetoric of last night is that immigrants are infesting the u.s, sounds a lot like the nazis.. funny that the neo nazis seem so much on board with Trump.
How many white people are crossing illegally en masse? From where?
Wow. Seriously. Did you hear of this thing called a plane ? It is essentially like a large cylinder shaped mode of transportation that can fly people from one country thousands of miles away to another one. Cuts out the need for "border crossings" .
Do you honestly think all the Irish who emigrated to the states all had green cards ?
"Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival...), irrespective of such alien's status, may apply for asylum"
I asked for numbers. 50% of all illegal immigration into America is from Mexico. In 1970 counting illegal and legals there was a reported 760k Mexicans in America, today there's about 12mil. Nothing wrong with Mexicans but they're the biggest abusers of illegal immigration. 6% of illegal immigration is attributed to Europe and Canada and I doubt everyone from there is white. White people don't generally do illegal immigration today. The Irish did it a long time ago and if they were caught they were caught. I don't expect different rules so why keep saying "the Irish did it, the Irish did it"
So a long time ago doesn't count ? Ireland as a country has improved from from the times where vast numbers left the country but I lived in the states long enough to know there is still plenty of Irish are taking a chance in certain cities within the u.s
Ever read up on the genocide of the American Indians by the ancestors of the "true Americans" of today ?"
It does count. They got away with it. If and they do people get away with it fair enough but I'm saying the Americans have a right to stop it. Everyone knows what happened the natives. The Americans of today made the country and big and as powerful as it is. They made the country and they're fair to immigrants. Blacks, Whites and Asians are all non natives. Some have been there for hundreds of years though. |
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"The Irish travelled to America on a waiver 90 day visa.if the stayed on longer they have broken the law.
Exactly it's like they think I'm suddenly going to say the law shouldn't apply cause some Irish person wants to break it. I don't care who breaks the law. If the law is broken by you then you must deal with the consequences. It's almost racist to think I care about which nationality breaks the law. I don't I care about the Law not being broken.
So you wouldn't have an issue with an illegal Irish family being separated, and the children being kept in cages?"
I said its not the best thing to do but putting an Irish person in there isn't going to make it any different for me. |
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"Realistically it's not about immigration. It's about wanting America to be whiter. To "take back" their country. Wonder how the natives feel about their ancestors land being invaded by immigrants and being killed off en masse.
No its about immigration. Obama had strong policies too. If Irish people were getting in in the hundreds of thousands every year and disappearing they'd do the same to us. We are doing it but nowhere near those numbers.
How many white people are getting the same treatment in the u.s ?
Millions of Americans are descendants of illegal Irish immigrants. Literally millions.
The rhetoric of last night is that immigrants are infesting the u.s, sounds a lot like the nazis.. funny that the neo nazis seem so much on board with Trump.
How many white people are crossing illegally en masse? From where?
Wow. Seriously. Did you hear of this thing called a plane ? It is essentially like a large cylinder shaped mode of transportation that can fly people from one country thousands of miles away to another one. Cuts out the need for "border crossings" .
Do you honestly think all the Irish who emigrated to the states all had green cards ?
"Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival...), irrespective of such alien's status, may apply for asylum"
I asked for numbers. 50% of all illegal immigration into America is from Mexico. In 1970 counting illegal and legals there was a reported 760k Mexicans in America, today there's about 12mil. Nothing wrong with Mexicans but they're the biggest abusers of illegal immigration. 6% of illegal immigration is attributed to Europe and Canada and I doubt everyone from there is white. White people don't generally do illegal immigration today. The Irish did it a long time ago and if they were caught they were caught. I don't expect different rules so why keep saying "the Irish did it, the Irish did it"
So a long time ago doesn't count ? Ireland as a country has improved from from the times where vast numbers left the country but I lived in the states long enough to know there is still plenty of Irish are taking a chance in certain cities within the u.s
Ever read up on the genocide of the American Indians by the ancestors of the "true Americans" of today ?
It does count. They got away with it. If and they do people get away with it fair enough but I'm saying the Americans have a right to stop it. Everyone knows what happened the natives. The Americans of today made the country and big and as powerful as it is. They made the country and they're fair to immigrants. Blacks, Whites and Asians are all non natives. Some have been there for hundreds of years though. "
Everyone knows what happened the natives ?
Which is ?
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"Realistically it's not about immigration. It's about wanting America to be whiter. To "take back" their country. Wonder how the natives feel about their ancestors land being invaded by immigrants and being killed off en masse.
No its about immigration. Obama had strong policies too. If Irish people were getting in in the hundreds of thousands every year and disappearing they'd do the same to us. We are doing it but nowhere near those numbers.
How many white people are getting the same treatment in the u.s ?
Millions of Americans are descendants of illegal Irish immigrants. Literally millions.
The rhetoric of last night is that immigrants are infesting the u.s, sounds a lot like the nazis.. funny that the neo nazis seem so much on board with Trump.
How many white people are crossing illegally en masse? From where?
Wow. Seriously. Did you hear of this thing called a plane ? It is essentially like a large cylinder shaped mode of transportation that can fly people from one country thousands of miles away to another one. Cuts out the need for "border crossings" .
Do you honestly think all the Irish who emigrated to the states all had green cards ?
"Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival...), irrespective of such alien's status, may apply for asylum"
I asked for numbers. 50% of all illegal immigration into America is from Mexico. In 1970 counting illegal and legals there was a reported 760k Mexicans in America, today there's about 12mil. Nothing wrong with Mexicans but they're the biggest abusers of illegal immigration. 6% of illegal immigration is attributed to Europe and Canada and I doubt everyone from there is white. White people don't generally do illegal immigration today. The Irish did it a long time ago and if they were caught they were caught. I don't expect different rules so why keep saying "the Irish did it, the Irish did it"
So a long time ago doesn't count ? Ireland as a country has improved from from the times where vast numbers left the country but I lived in the states long enough to know there is still plenty of Irish are taking a chance in certain cities within the u.s
Ever read up on the genocide of the American Indians by the ancestors of the "true Americans" of today ?
It does count. They got away with it. If and they do people get away with it fair enough but I'm saying the Americans have a right to stop it. Everyone knows what happened the natives. The Americans of today made the country and big and as powerful as it is. They made the country and they're fair to immigrants. Blacks, Whites and Asians are all non natives. Some have been there for hundreds of years though.
Everyone knows what happened the natives ?
Which is ?
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"The Irish travelled to America on a waiver 90 day visa.if the stayed on longer they have broken the law.
Exactly it's like they think I'm suddenly going to say the law shouldn't apply cause some Irish person wants to break it. I don't care who breaks the law. If the law is broken by you then you must deal with the consequences. It's almost racist to think I care about which nationality breaks the law. I don't I care about the Law not being broken.
So you wouldn't have an issue with an illegal Irish family being separated, and the children being kept in cages?
I said its not the best thing to do but putting an Irish person in there isn't going to make it any different for me. "
"It's not the best thing to do"? There's an understatement if ever I heard one. The inhumane and barbaric, call it like it is, and stop making excuses for this disgraceful behaviour by the so called leaders of Western Civilisation. |
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Guys, I think we're now going too far and getting too technical. I think the general consensus is that human dignity has to be respected. If we can all agree on that, the rest is background noise, really. |
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"Realistically it's not about immigration. It's about wanting America to be whiter. To "take back" their country. Wonder how the natives feel about their ancestors land being invaded by immigrants and being killed off en masse.
No its about immigration. Obama had strong policies too. If Irish people were getting in in the hundreds of thousands every year and disappearing they'd do the same to us. We are doing it but nowhere near those numbers.
How many white people are getting the same treatment in the u.s ?
Millions of Americans are descendants of illegal Irish immigrants. Literally millions.
The rhetoric of last night is that immigrants are infesting the u.s, sounds a lot like the nazis.. funny that the neo nazis seem so much on board with Trump.
How many white people are crossing illegally en masse? From where?
Wow. Seriously. Did you hear of this thing called a plane ? It is essentially like a large cylinder shaped mode of transportation that can fly people from one country thousands of miles away to another one. Cuts out the need for "border crossings" .
Do you honestly think all the Irish who emigrated to the states all had green cards ?
"Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival...), irrespective of such alien's status, may apply for asylum"
I asked for numbers. 50% of all illegal immigration into America is from Mexico. In 1970 counting illegal and legals there was a reported 760k Mexicans in America, today there's about 12mil. Nothing wrong with Mexicans but they're the biggest abusers of illegal immigration. 6% of illegal immigration is attributed to Europe and Canada and I doubt everyone from there is white. White people don't generally do illegal immigration today. The Irish did it a long time ago and if they were caught they were caught. I don't expect different rules so why keep saying "the Irish did it, the Irish did it"
So a long time ago doesn't count ? Ireland as a country has improved from from the times where vast numbers left the country but I lived in the states long enough to know there is still plenty of Irish are taking a chance in certain cities within the u.s
Ever read up on the genocide of the American Indians by the ancestors of the "true Americans" of today ?
It does count. They got away with it. If and they do people get away with it fair enough but I'm saying the Americans have a right to stop it. Everyone knows what happened the natives. The Americans of today made the country and big and as powerful as it is. They made the country and they're fair to immigrants. Blacks, Whites and Asians are all non natives. Some have been there for hundreds of years though.
Everyone knows what happened the natives ?
Which is ?
Ya trump killed all the natives "
Ah... that's it. Do a bit of reading for yourself.
The descendants of those responsible and who benefitted from the genocide of the natives now have an issue with immigration.
Like a squatter getting the hump someone else uses his place as a squat after he murdered the owner of the house he's squatting in. |
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"Half a million Irish emigrated between 2008 and 2014. I wonder where they went to, not saying they all immigrated illegally into another country l, but sure it's a long time ago....  "
I'm sure they all emigrated legally with a lucky bowl of shamrock, a pot of gold and gratitude not to be fucked into a cage after emigrating for financial reasons as opposed to seeking asylum from some place they feared for their life. |
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"Half a million Irish emigrated between 2008 and 2014. I wonder where they went to, not saying they all immigrated illegally into another country l, but sure it's a long time ago.... "
Majority legal I would say |
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By *ack 188Man
over a year ago
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"Half a million Irish emigrated between 2008 and 2014. I wonder where they went to, not saying they all immigrated illegally into another country l, but sure it's a long time ago....
I'm sure they all emigrated legally with a lucky bowl of shamrock, a pot of gold and gratitude not to be fucked into a cage after emigrating for financial reasons as opposed to seeking asylum from some place they feared for their life."
Punchy this thread is boring,it's clear to me your trying to spread your beloved anti-Trump propaganda |
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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago
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"Half a million Irish emigrated between 2008 and 2014. I wonder where they went to, not saying they all immigrated illegally into another country l, but sure it's a long time ago....
Majority legal I would say "
Sure if you say so it must be so.
All I wanted to say all it needs is a financial crisis and we're emigrating again. Half a million, that's 11% of the overall population, that's quite substantial. Bit of compassion rather than cockiness would be appropriate. |
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There is no doubt that immigration is an issue for every country and every country has right to control how they grant access to their border. However there is no justification for inhumane treatment of anyone amd children especially. The trump administration has already admitted that the point of this policy is to act as a deterrent. I'm no lover of Obama, apart from the symbolism of being the first non-white president, his tenure was anonymous, great words but little action. Trump and his minions however, lack any semblance of morality, he is a snake oil salesman concerned only with his ego and hanging on to power, and history will judge him as such |
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By *appyPandaMan
over a year ago
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"There is no doubt that immigration is an issue for every country and every country has right to control how they grant access to their border. However there is no justification for inhumane treatment of anyone amd children especially. The trump administration has already admitted that the point of this policy is to act as a deterrent. I'm no lover of Obama, apart from the symbolism of being the first non-white president, his tenure was anonymous, great words but little action. Trump and his minions however, lack any semblance of morality, he is a snake oil salesman concerned only with his ego and hanging on to power, and history will judge him as such"
I agree but if there's one highlight of this presidency, it's that we're under no illusions of what the US is.
For decades, it's been a destabilizing entity, bombing and interfering with other countries to gain greater control and to feed the military industrial complex, but usually disguised with a somewhat nice or goofy leader. Now we have a repulsive idiot in control with all his cronies, we have no choice but to face it that the USA haven't been the good guys for a long time.
Think of what the middle east would be like if the fairly progressive prime minister of Iran, Mohammad Mosaddegh, wasn't overthrown in 1953 in a coup organised by the CIA and SIS, simply because he wanted to audit the files of the Anglo-Iranian Oil company (now part of BP), and when refused, he made plans to nationalise the oil industry.
The CIA and SIS overthrew him and put in his place an utter parrot for the west. Because this fucker put the needs of the west over the needs of his own people, he in turn was overthrown by radicals. |
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Trump finished a speech last night and before he left the stage he started dry humping the flag and wrapped it round him.
Reminds me of a quote from James Waterman Wise in 1936
"If fascism comes to America, it will not be identified with any “shirt” movement, nor with an “insignia,” but it will probably be “wrapped up in the American flag carrying a bible and heralded as a plea for liberty and preservation of the constitution.” |
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I think a lot of people on Fab are probably jealous of trump. Because he gets to ride good looking ladies and he's not even on fab. Then again maybe he is on Fab. |
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"I think a lot of people on Fab are probably jealous of trump. Because he gets to ride good looking ladies and he's not even on fab. Then again maybe he is on Fab."
Idiotic , unintelligent PRICK !!!!!!
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"I think a lot of people on Fab are probably jealous of trump. Because he gets to ride good looking ladies and he's not even on fab. Then again maybe he is on Fab."
I appreciate you're trying to lighten the mood, but the detention in cages of children after being seperated from their parents isnt really the place for levity now is it |
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"I think a lot of people on Fab are probably jealous of trump. Because he gets to ride good looking ladies and he's not even on fab. Then again maybe he is on Fab.
I appreciate you're trying to lighten the mood, but the detention in cages of children after being seperated from their parents isnt really the place for levity now is it"
And a sex site probably isn't the place to discuss children in Cage's . Because you can argue up and down about who is right or wrong but i don't think Trump will bother reading it. |
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"I think a lot of people on Fab are probably jealous of trump. Because he gets to ride good looking ladies and he's not even on fab. Then again maybe he is on Fab.
I appreciate you're trying to lighten the mood, but the detention in cages of children after being seperated from their parents isnt really the place for levity now is it And a sex site probably isn't the place to discuss children in Cage's . Because you can argue up and down about who is right or wrong but i don't think Trump will bother reading it."
People have the right to debate whatever they like, without your permission |
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"I think a lot of people on Fab are probably jealous of trump. Because he gets to ride good looking ladies and he's not even on fab. Then again maybe he is on Fab.
I appreciate you're trying to lighten the mood, but the detention in cages of children after being seperated from their parents isnt really the place for levity now is it And a sex site probably isn't the place to discuss children in Cage's . Because you can argue up and down about who is right or wrong but i don't think Trump will bother reading it.
People have the right to debate whatever they like, without your permission"
Even when most of them are quoting what they read of the internet and in reality haven't a clue what their taking about. |
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"I think a lot of people on Fab are probably jealous of trump. Because he gets to ride good looking ladies and he's not even on fab. Then again maybe he is on Fab.
I appreciate you're trying to lighten the mood, but the detention in cages of children after being seperated from their parents isnt really the place for levity now is it And a sex site probably isn't the place to discuss children in Cage's . Because you can argue up and down about who is right or wrong but i don't think Trump will bother reading it.
People have the right to debate whatever they like, without your permission Even when most of them are quoting what they read of the internet and in reality haven't a clue what their taking about."
No more than you do! |
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"I think a lot of people on Fab are probably jealous of trump. Because he gets to ride good looking ladies and he's not even on fab. Then again maybe he is on Fab.
I appreciate you're trying to lighten the mood, but the detention in cages of children after being seperated from their parents isnt really the place for levity now is it And a sex site probably isn't the place to discuss children in Cage's . Because you can argue up and down about who is right or wrong but i don't think Trump will bother reading it.
People have the right to debate whatever they like, without your permission Even when most of them are quoting what they read of the internet and in reality haven't a clue what their taking about."
Yep |
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"I think a lot of people on Fab are probably jealous of trump. Because he gets to ride good looking ladies and he's not even on fab. Then again maybe he is on Fab.
I appreciate you're trying to lighten the mood, but the detention in cages of children after being seperated from their parents isnt really the place for levity now is it And a sex site probably isn't the place to discuss children in Cage's . Because you can argue up and down about who is right or wrong but i don't think Trump will bother reading it.
People have the right to debate whatever they like, without your permission Even when most of them are quoting what they read of the internet and in reality haven't a clue what their taking about.
No more than you do!"
No I haven't a clue about Trump or what goes on in America.But I would not get involved in a argument if I had to get all my information off the internet. |
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"I think a lot of people on Fab are probably jealous of trump. Because he gets to ride good looking ladies and he's not even on fab. Then again maybe he is on Fab.
I appreciate you're trying to lighten the mood, but the detention in cages of children after being seperated from their parents isnt really the place for levity now is it And a sex site probably isn't the place to discuss children in Cage's . Because you can argue up and down about who is right or wrong but i don't think Trump will bother reading it.
People have the right to debate whatever they like, without your permission Even when most of them are quoting what they read of the internet and in reality haven't a clue what their taking about.
No more than you do! No I haven't a clue about Trump or what goes on in America.But I would not get involved in a argument if I had to get all my information off the internet."
You mean the internet where basically all of the infomation and experience ever created by humanity can be found? |
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"I think a lot of people on Fab are probably jealous of trump. Because he gets to ride good looking ladies and he's not even on fab. Then again maybe he is on Fab.
I appreciate you're trying to lighten the mood, but the detention in cages of children after being seperated from their parents isnt really the place for levity now is it And a sex site probably isn't the place to discuss children in Cage's . Because you can argue up and down about who is right or wrong but i don't think Trump will bother reading it.
People have the right to debate whatever they like, without your permission Even when most of them are quoting what they read of the internet and in reality haven't a clue what their taking about.
No more than you do! No I haven't a clue about Trump or what goes on in America.But I would not get involved in a argument if I had to get all my information off the internet.
You mean the internet where basically all of the infomation and experience ever created by humanity can be found? "
If you can't have a discussion without going too the internet for every answer your as well stay out of that discussion. |
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" you mean the internet where basically all of the infomation and experience ever created by humanity can be found? If you can't have a discussion without going too the internet for every answer your as well stay out of that discussion."
The internet is source of information, just like the tv or a newspaper, would you not use information you gleen from either of those mediums in a discussion? |
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" you mean the internet where basically all of the infomation and experience ever created by humanity can be found? If you can't have a discussion without going too the internet for every answer your as well stay out of that discussion.
The internet is source of information, just like the tv or a newspaper, would you not use information you gleen from either of those mediums in a discussion? "
The thing is if you're left leaning or right leaning the Internet knows and sends you story that you want to hear and not non bias real news. Although news channels have their own agendas too. Basically for me I'm sick to death of anti trump posts when most American presidents were the same they were just more media savy but most were career politicians, trump isn't. |
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" you mean the internet where basically all of the infomation and experience ever created by humanity can be found? If you can't have a discussion without going too the internet for every answer your as well stay out of that discussion.
The internet is source of information, just like the tv or a newspaper, would you not use information you gleen from either of those mediums in a discussion?
The thing is if you're left leaning or right leaning the Internet knows and sends you story that you want to hear and not non bias real news. Although news channels have their own agendas too. Basically for me I'm sick to death of anti trump posts when most American presidents were the same they were just more media savy but most were career politicians, trump isn't.
Facebook does, but I read multiple sources, including Fox"
You might but the vast majority of anti trump posters don't and neither do his supporters. If you lean one way then your whole life is bias whether you realise it or not. You subconsciously associate with the same thinking people and read the same outlets etc... That's just the truth. Every left leaning person will like identical Facebook pages etc.. As will the right etc. They think they're balanced but they're not. I just like to argue, I don't even know politics but I try observe behaviors. |
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" you mean the internet where basically all of the infomation and experience ever created by humanity can be found? If you can't have a discussion without going too the internet for every answer your as well stay out of that discussion.
The internet is source of information, just like the tv or a newspaper, would you not use information you gleen from either of those mediums in a discussion?
The thing is if you're left leaning or right leaning the Internet knows and sends you story that you want to hear and not non bias real news. Although news channels have their own agendas too. Basically for me I'm sick to death of anti trump posts when most American presidents were the same they were just more media savy but most were career politicians, trump isn't. "
No, the "internet" doesnt, facebook does. I read from multiple sources, including Fox and regular call out far left fake news on anti-trump FB groups. I can make my own mind up, and its very clear to me what Trump is |
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over a year ago
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Regardless of what side of the divide you're on with trump you have to admit he doesnt toe the line like the rest of the sheep. He believes in what he believes in and not what hes told to believe in (most of us are brainwashed by media).
He has made more progress in north Korea than any other politician ever has.
Like it or not, this tactic of locking kids up away from their parents will work in the long run. |
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"Millions of Americans are descendants of illegal Irish immigrants. Literally millions."
No they are not, they were legal migrants, they all signed on and went through American customs, even during the famine the Irish people went through the right channels.
That was when they needed people, the people arriving were given nothing, not education, not money, if they were lucky they could work their ass off their whole life for a scrap of land.
America shut its borders a long time ago, Clinton sent the army to start building a wall with mexico, and every president since bush has been in agreement about a wall with mexico. Trump just doubled down on it.
There are a couple of thousand illegal Irish in America, and if they are caught they are sent back to Ireland. |
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