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By *un4tooCouple
over a year ago
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"In the indo online today :
"Mass continues to be held at rural church where sex act was filmed"
Fabbers looking for divine intervention? "
A big percentage of churches have had sex acts carried out in them. Only difference was they were usually covered up. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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To be honest, as an atheist I would still find it distasteful.
Churches and temples of all religions are places of solace and comfort for their congregations. The organisations themselves may be corrupt and have terrible histories but the sanctity of places of worship for their followers should be respected.
There's no gain from causing offence to decent people other than a pathetic short lived laugh and notoriety. |
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"Don’t aee the joker in this I Am not a church attended. But let’s all have respect for others"
Respect, the church didnt show any when covering up what they did to kids!
I do respect peoples right to practice there religion! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"One rotten apple can spoil the whole barrel.But don't mean all the apples are rotten same with the church.
But apples don't turn a blind eye to how rotten the other apples are "
I'm sure s lot of good church men never knew or had anything to do with abuse. Should they be treated like the bad apples.Im not saying that everyone in the church is perfect far from it but can't judge everyone in the sameway. |
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
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I agree with second poster. At least these were consenting adults
IMO there shouldn't even be churches now to fuck in. They should have been all sold to cover the money they still owe the their victims that they haven't paid. 140 million still owed |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I agree with second poster. At least these were consenting adults
IMO there shouldn't even be churches now to fuck in. They should have been all sold to cover the money they still owe the their victims that they haven't paid. 140 million still owed"
Sure we all know about the bad people in the church. But like I said not everyone was bad or is bad.So why paint all with the same brush. |
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I respect people's beliefs but I have no respect for a religion that covers up the abuse of children. Tear it down and rebuild it for the people who have faith. Catholicism is a dying religion brought on by abuse and greed. |
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By *adame BWoman
over a year ago
C'est moi Boudoir |
"I agree with second poster. At least these were consenting adults
IMO there shouldn't even be churches now to fuck in. They should have been all sold to cover the money they still owe the their victims that they haven't paid. 140 million still owed Sure we all know about the bad people in the church. But like I said not everyone was bad or is bad.So why paint all with the same brush."
Because they are all part of an organisation that willfully covered it up, allowed it to continue and then obstructed justice when being held accountable. The Catholic church is an absolute disgrace to religion in how it has behaved. People have the right to their beliefs as do people have the right to their opinions. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I agree with second poster. At least these were consenting adults
IMO there shouldn't even be churches now to fuck in. They should have been all sold to cover the money they still owe the their victims that they haven't paid. 140 million still owed Sure we all know about the bad people in the church. But like I said not everyone was bad or is bad.So why paint all with the same brush.
Because they are all part of an organisation that willfully covered it up, allowed it to continue and then obstructed justice when being held accountable. The Catholic church is an absolute disgrace to religion in how it has behaved. People have the right to their beliefs as do people have the right to their opinions. "
Just like you are part of something on Fab. So if some people misbehavie on here are you also to be held accountable for their actions. |
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By *adame BWoman
over a year ago
C'est moi Boudoir |
"I agree with second poster. At least these were consenting adults
IMO there shouldn't even be churches now to fuck in. They should have been all sold to cover the money they still owe the their victims that they haven't paid. 140 million still owed Sure we all know about the bad people in the church. But like I said not everyone was bad or is bad.So why paint all with the same brush.
Because they are all part of an organisation that willfully covered it up, allowed it to continue and then obstructed justice when being held accountable. The Catholic church is an absolute disgrace to religion in how it has behaved. People have the right to their beliefs as do people have the right to their opinions. Just like you are part of something on Fab. So if some people misbehavie on here are you also to be held accountable for their actions."
Fab is a group not an organisation. I didn't sign an oath, I paid for membership! I can't believe how you think that even remotely applies. |
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By *un4tooCouple
over a year ago
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I have zero respect for the Catholic church and zero respect for the BELIEFS of its followers.
I respect the majority of people in general but it doesn't mean i have to respect their beliefs. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I agree with second poster. At least these were consenting adults
IMO there shouldn't even be churches now to fuck in. They should have been all sold to cover the money they still owe the their victims that they haven't paid. 140 million still owed Sure we all know about the bad people in the church. But like I said not everyone was bad or is bad.So why paint all with the same brush.
Because they are all part of an organisation that willfully covered it up, allowed it to continue and then obstructed justice when being held accountable. The Catholic church is an absolute disgrace to religion in how it has behaved. People have the right to their beliefs as do people have the right to their opinions. Just like you are part of something on Fab. So if some people misbehavie on here are you also to be held accountable for their actions.
Fab is a group not an organisation. I didn't sign an oath, I paid for membership! I can't believe how you think that even remotely applies."
My point their is bad apples in every barrel but their is also lots of good apples in every barrel same with the church good and bad but unfortunately the good get throwing in with the bad. just my opinion like. |
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By *adame BWoman
over a year ago
C'est moi Boudoir |
"I agree with second poster. At least these were consenting adults
IMO there shouldn't even be churches now to fuck in. They should have been all sold to cover the money they still owe the their victims that they haven't paid. 140 million still owed Sure we all know about the bad people in the church. But like I said not everyone was bad or is bad.So why paint all with the same brush.
Because they are all part of an organisation that willfully covered it up, allowed it to continue and then obstructed justice when being held accountable. The Catholic church is an absolute disgrace to religion in how it has behaved. People have the right to their beliefs as do people have the right to their opinions. Just like you are part of something on Fab. So if some people misbehavie on here are you also to be held accountable for their actions.
Fab is a group not an organisation. I didn't sign an oath, I paid for membership! I can't believe how you think that even remotely applies. My point their is bad apples in every barrel but their is also lots of good apples in every barrel same with the church good and bad but unfortunately the good get throwing in with the bad. just my opinion like."
People can be good decent people but if they continue to support an institution that has repeatedly,beyond any doubt, not only commited crimes against their most vulnerable but continuously sabotaged any form of redress or accountability, then no they are no longer a decent human being with a good conscience in my opinion |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I agree with second poster. At least these were consenting adults
IMO there shouldn't even be churches now to fuck in. They should have been all sold to cover the money they still owe the their victims that they haven't paid. 140 million still owed Sure we all know about the bad people in the church. But like I said not everyone was bad or is bad.So why paint all with the same brush.
Because they are all part of an organisation that willfully covered it up, allowed it to continue and then obstructed justice when being held accountable. The Catholic church is an absolute disgrace to religion in how it has behaved. People have the right to their beliefs as do people have the right to their opinions. Just like you are part of something on Fab. So if some people misbehavie on here are you also to be held accountable for their actions.
Fab is a group not an organisation. I didn't sign an oath, I paid for membership! I can't believe how you think that even remotely applies. My point their is bad apples in every barrel but their is also lots of good apples in every barrel same with the church good and bad but unfortunately the good get throwing in with the bad. just my opinion like.
People can be good decent people but if they continue to support an institution that has repeatedly,beyond any doubt, not only commited crimes against their most vulnerable but continuously sabotaged any form of redress or accountability, then no they are no longer a decent human being with a good conscience in my opinion"
Well if we all started giving up things we believe in because of others behavior. What are we left with. (nothing) |
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By *adame BWoman
over a year ago
C'est moi Boudoir |
"I agree with second poster. At least these were consenting adults
IMO there shouldn't even be churches now to fuck in. They should have been all sold to cover the money they still owe the their victims that they haven't paid. 140 million still owed Sure we all know about the bad people in the church. But like I said not everyone was bad or is bad.So why paint all with the same brush.
Because they are all part of an organisation that willfully covered it up, allowed it to continue and then obstructed justice when being held accountable. The Catholic church is an absolute disgrace to religion in how it has behaved. People have the right to their beliefs as do people have the right to their opinions. Just like you are part of something on Fab. So if some people misbehavie on here are you also to be held accountable for their actions.
Fab is a group not an organisation. I didn't sign an oath, I paid for membership! I can't believe how you think that even remotely applies. My point their is bad apples in every barrel but their is also lots of good apples in every barrel same with the church good and bad but unfortunately the good get throwing in with the bad. just my opinion like.
People can be good decent people but if they continue to support an institution that has repeatedly,beyond any doubt, not only commited crimes against their most vulnerable but continuously sabotaged any form of redress or accountability, then no they are no longer a decent human being with a good conscience in my opinion Well if we all started giving up things we believe in because of others behavior. What are we left with. (nothing)"
I think you have missed the point I was making. I was counteracting your point that some priests are good and not all are paedophiles. I merely pointed out that their silence and continued support is support and that takes away from there overall goodness as a human being. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I agree with second poster. At least these were consenting adults
IMO there shouldn't even be churches now to fuck in. They should have been all sold to cover the money they still owe the their victims that they haven't paid. 140 million still owed Sure we all know about the bad people in the church. But like I said not everyone was bad or is bad.So why paint all with the same brush.
Because they are all part of an organisation that willfully covered it up, allowed it to continue and then obstructed justice when being held accountable. The Catholic church is an absolute disgrace to religion in how it has behaved. People have the right to their beliefs as do people have the right to their opinions. Just like you are part of something on Fab. So if some people misbehavie on here are you also to be held accountable for their actions.
Fab is a group not an organisation. I didn't sign an oath, I paid for membership! I can't believe how you think that even remotely applies. My point their is bad apples in every barrel but their is also lots of good apples in every barrel same with the church good and bad but unfortunately the good get throwing in with the bad. just my opinion like.
People can be good decent people but if they continue to support an institution that has repeatedly,beyond any doubt, not only commited crimes against their most vulnerable but continuously sabotaged any form of redress or accountability, then no they are no longer a decent human being with a good conscience in my opinion Well if we all started giving up things we believe in because of others behavior. What are we left with. (nothing)
I think you have missed the point I was making. I was counteracting your point that some priests are good and not all are paedophiles. I merely pointed out that their silence and continued support is support and that takes away from there overall goodness as a human being. "
But surely not all of them knew what was going on.So their silence is understandable. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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My father was educated within the catholic system. Beaten black and blue on a daily bases. He had two of his fingers broken deliberately. His sin? He was left handed. The sinister hand as the church once referred to it. That belief is long gone. Why? Because of public opinion. You see the church doesn’t give people a moral standing. It’s the other way around. Without public opinion the church would continue to act with impunity. We, the great unwashed give morality to the church. As for making light of the church? Well what is humour? It’s the discontinuation of continuity. You expect to hear one thing and your told the polar opposite. Like a child entering into a care home. All the child needs is love, support and education. Instead we have sodomy, beatings and kids buried in septic tanks. Unmarried mothers told they can have the child baptized on the side alter with no witnesses. A child still born and the patents told because the poor thing wasn’t baptized it’s soul will forever dwell in purgatory. That’s not humour, that’s just fact. A sad fact at that.
I have nothing against the upstanding priests of this world or the people who believe in the Bible’s teachings. It’s the Catholic Church I hold in contempt. Making light of the church is my duty. Pointing out it’s flaws is everyone’s. How else will the church learn its morals. |
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By *adame BWoman
over a year ago
C'est moi Boudoir |
"I agree with second poster. At least these were consenting adults
IMO there shouldn't even be churches now to fuck in. They should have been all sold to cover the money they still owe the their victims that they haven't paid. 140 million still owed Sure we all know about the bad people in the church. But like I said not everyone was bad or is bad.So why paint all with the same brush.
Because they are all part of an organisation that willfully covered it up, allowed it to continue and then obstructed justice when being held accountable. The Catholic church is an absolute disgrace to religion in how it has behaved. People have the right to their beliefs as do people have the right to their opinions. Just like you are part of something on Fab. So if some people misbehavie on here are you also to be held accountable for their actions.
Fab is a group not an organisation. I didn't sign an oath, I paid for membership! I can't believe how you think that even remotely applies. My point their is bad apples in every barrel but their is also lots of good apples in every barrel same with the church good and bad but unfortunately the good get throwing in with the bad. just my opinion like.
People can be good decent people but if they continue to support an institution that has repeatedly,beyond any doubt, not only commited crimes against their most vulnerable but continuously sabotaged any form of redress or accountability, then no they are no longer a decent human being with a good conscience in my opinion Well if we all started giving up things we believe in because of others behavior. What are we left with. (nothing)
I think you have missed the point I was making. I was counteracting your point that some priests are good and not all are paedophiles. I merely pointed out that their silence and continued support is support and that takes away from there overall goodness as a human being. But surely not all of them knew what was going on.So their silence is understandable."
They know now! If all these "good" people spoke up together they might have made a difference but we will never know because they didn't. Are you a good person if you stay silent when your lively hood and vocation are at risk even if you don't agree with how appalling innocent children were treated. |
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By *adame BWoman
over a year ago
C'est moi Boudoir |
"My father was educated within the catholic system. Beaten black and blue on a daily bases. He had two of his fingers broken deliberately. His sin? He was left handed. The sinister hand as the church once referred to it. That belief is long gone. Why? Because of public opinion. You see the church doesn’t give people a moral standing. It’s the other way around. Without public opinion the church would continue to act with impunity. We, the great unwashed give morality to the church. As for making light of the church? Well what is humour? It’s the discontinuation of continuity. You expect to hear one thing and your told the polar opposite. Like a child entering into a care home. All the child needs is love, support and education. Instead we have sodomy, beatings and kids buried in septic tanks. Unmarried mothers told they can have the child baptized on the side alter with no witnesses. A child still born and the patents told because the poor thing wasn’t baptized it’s soul will forever dwell in purgatory. That’s not humour, that’s just fact. A sad fact at that.
I have nothing against the upstanding priests of this world or the people who believe in the Bible’s teachings. It’s the Catholic Church I hold in contempt. Making light of the church is my duty. Pointing out it’s flaws is everyone’s. How else will the church learn its morals. "
 sad but true. Brilliantly worded. |
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By *un4tooCouple
over a year ago
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"We all know people did terrible things in the name of region.But we also know of a lot of good things that happened in the name of religion also.
Like what?"
Easter and Christmas. They only thing that is keeping them going  |
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By *un4tooCouple
over a year ago
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"We all know people did terrible things in the name of region.But we also know of a lot of good things that happened in the name of religion also.
Like what?
Easter and Christmas. They only thing that is keeping them going "
Plus i once said "amen" on a Facebook post and it saved a child's life |
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"I agree with second poster. At least these were consenting adults
IMO there shouldn't even be churches now to fuck in. They should have been all sold to cover the money they still owe the their victims that they haven't paid. 140 million still owed Sure we all know about the bad people in the church. But like I said not everyone was bad or is bad.So why paint all with the same brush.
Because they are all part of an organisation that willfully covered it up, allowed it to continue and then obstructed justice when being held accountable. The Catholic church is an absolute disgrace to religion in how it has behaved. People have the right to their beliefs as do people have the right to their opinions. Just like you are part of something on Fab. So if some people misbehavie on here are you also to be held accountable for their actions.
Fab is a group not an organisation. I didn't sign an oath, I paid for membership! I can't believe how you think that even remotely applies. My point their is bad apples in every barrel but their is also lots of good apples in every barrel same with the church good and bad but unfortunately the good get throwing in with the bad. just my opinion like.
People can be good decent people but if they continue to support an institution that has repeatedly,beyond any doubt, not only commited crimes against their most vulnerable but continuously sabotaged any form of redress or accountability, then no they are no longer a decent human being with a good conscience in my opinion Well if we all started giving up things we believe in because of others behavior. What are we left with. (nothing)
I think you have missed the point I was making. I was counteracting your point that some priests are good and not all are paedophiles. I merely pointed out that their silence and continued support is support and that takes away from there overall goodness as a human being. But surely not all of them knew what was going on.So their silence is understandable."
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"We all know people did terrible things in the name of region.But we also know of a lot of good things that happened in the name of religion also.
Like what?"
Comfort to the sick and dying.Christmas Easter. most people get married in a religious please.To name but a few. |
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By *un4tooCouple
over a year ago
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"I agree with second poster. At least these were consenting adults
IMO there shouldn't even be churches now to fuck in. They should have been all sold to cover the money they still owe the their victims that they haven't paid. 140 million still owed Sure we all know about the bad people in the church. But like I said not everyone was bad or is bad.So why paint all with the same brush.
Because they are all part of an organisation that willfully covered it up, allowed it to continue and then obstructed justice when being held accountable. The Catholic church is an absolute disgrace to religion in how it has behaved. People have the right to their beliefs as do people have the right to their opinions. Just like you are part of something on Fab. So if some people misbehavie on here are you also to be held accountable for their actions.
Fab is a group not an organisation. I didn't sign an oath, I paid for membership! I can't believe how you think that even remotely applies. My point their is bad apples in every barrel but their is also lots of good apples in every barrel same with the church good and bad but unfortunately the good get throwing in with the bad. just my opinion like.
People can be good decent people but if they continue to support an institution that has repeatedly,beyond any doubt, not only commited crimes against their most vulnerable but continuously sabotaged any form of redress or accountability, then no they are no longer a decent human being with a good conscience in my opinion Well if we all started giving up things we believe in because of others behavior. What are we left with. (nothing)
I think you have missed the point I was making. I was counteracting your point that some priests are good and not all are paedophiles. I merely pointed out that their silence and continued support is support and that takes away from there overall goodness as a human being. But surely not all of them knew what was going on.So their silence is understandable.
They know now! If all these "good" people spoke up together they might have made a difference but we will never know because they didn't. Are you a good person if you stay silent when your lively hood and vocation are at risk even if you don't agree with how appalling innocent children were treated.
I have watched this thread and see both sides of the argument. I have read about and watched on TV the deplorable things that some Priests did and yes the Catholic Religion should have dealt with it when it was reported to them. There is no doubt about that at all. No excuses acceptable ever!
BUT I could not reasonably state that the whole Catholic Church is rotten as these things happened in the past and Priests, Bishops and even the Pope hid it and left the children to deal with it and it did effect their lives and this cannot be fixed. New Priests etc that entered the Church to serve their faith cannot be blamed.
I do think that there are genuine Priests who believe in their faith and want to help people serve God.
I am not a Church goer but each to their own. I am by no means making light of what happened but not every Priest is paedophile.
Its a bit like blaming the families of the Gestapo and every German soldier for every cruelty that happened in the war. A lot had no idea what was really happening.
No offence meant by that comment if you are German.
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People need to stop talking about the Catholic church as if its the past.
Its the present, still being covered up still won't answer to anyone still fighting redress schemes. All in the present day |
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"I agree with second poster. At least these were consenting adults
IMO there shouldn't even be churches now to fuck in. They should have been all sold to cover the money they still owe the their victims that they haven't paid. 140 million still owed Sure we all know about the bad people in the church. But like I said not everyone was bad or is bad.So why paint all with the same brush.
Because they are all part of an organisation that willfully covered it up, allowed it to continue and then obstructed justice when being held accountable. The Catholic church is an absolute disgrace to religion in how it has behaved. People have the right to their beliefs as do people have the right to their opinions. Just like you are part of something on Fab. So if some people misbehavie on here are you also to be held accountable for their actions.
Fab is a group not an organisation. I didn't sign an oath, I paid for membership! I can't believe how you think that even remotely applies. My point their is bad apples in every barrel but their is also lots of good apples in every barrel same with the church good and bad but unfortunately the good get throwing in with the bad. just my opinion like.
People can be good decent people but if they continue to support an institution that has repeatedly,beyond any doubt, not only commited crimes against their most vulnerable but continuously sabotaged any form of redress or accountability, then no they are no longer a decent human being with a good conscience in my opinion Well if we all started giving up things we believe in because of others behavior. What are we left with. (nothing)
I think you have missed the point I was making. I was counteracting your point that some priests are good and not all are paedophiles. I merely pointed out that their silence and continued support is support and that takes away from there overall goodness as a human being. But surely not all of them knew what was going on.So their silence is understandable.
They know now! If all these "good" people spoke up together they might have made a difference but we will never know because they didn't. Are you a good person if you stay silent when your lively hood and vocation are at risk even if you don't agree with how appalling innocent children were treated.
I have watched this thread and see both sides of the argument. I have read about and watched on TV the deplorable things that some Priests did and yes the Catholic Religion should have dealt with it when it was reported to them. There is no doubt about that at all. No excuses acceptable ever!
BUT I could not reasonably state that the whole Catholic Church is rotten as these things happened in the past and Priests, Bishops and even the Pope hid it and left the children to deal with it and it did effect their lives and this cannot be fixed. New Priests etc that entered the Church to serve their faith cannot be blamed.
I do think that there are genuine Priests who believe in their faith and want to help people serve God.
I am not a Church goer but each to their own. I am by no means making light of what happened but not every Priest is paedophile.
Its a bit like blaming the families of the Gestapo and every German soldier for every cruelty that happened in the war. A lot had no idea what was really happening.
No offence meant by that comment if you are German.
People need to stop talking about the Catholic church as if its the past.
Its the present, still being covered up still won't answer to anyone still fighting redress schemes. All in the present day "
Are similar things still happening now |
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By *un4tooCouple
over a year ago
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"I agree with second poster. At least these were consenting adults
IMO there shouldn't even be churches now to fuck in. They should have been all sold to cover the money they still owe the their victims that they haven't paid. 140 million still owed Sure we all know about the bad people in the church. But like I said not everyone was bad or is bad.So why paint all with the same brush.
Because they are all part of an organisation that willfully covered it up, allowed it to continue and then obstructed justice when being held accountable. The Catholic church is an absolute disgrace to religion in how it has behaved. People have the right to their beliefs as do people have the right to their opinions. Just like you are part of something on Fab. So if some people misbehavie on here are you also to be held accountable for their actions.
Fab is a group not an organisation. I didn't sign an oath, I paid for membership! I can't believe how you think that even remotely applies. My point their is bad apples in every barrel but their is also lots of good apples in every barrel same with the church good and bad but unfortunately the good get throwing in with the bad. just my opinion like.
People can be good decent people but if they continue to support an institution that has repeatedly,beyond any doubt, not only commited crimes against their most vulnerable but continuously sabotaged any form of redress or accountability, then no they are no longer a decent human being with a good conscience in my opinion Well if we all started giving up things we believe in because of others behavior. What are we left with. (nothing)
I think you have missed the point I was making. I was counteracting your point that some priests are good and not all are paedophiles. I merely pointed out that their silence and continued support is support and that takes away from there overall goodness as a human being. But surely not all of them knew what was going on.So their silence is understandable.
They know now! If all these "good" people spoke up together they might have made a difference but we will never know because they didn't. Are you a good person if you stay silent when your lively hood and vocation are at risk even if you don't agree with how appalling innocent children were treated.
I have watched this thread and see both sides of the argument. I have read about and watched on TV the deplorable things that some Priests did and yes the Catholic Religion should have dealt with it when it was reported to them. There is no doubt about that at all. No excuses acceptable ever!
BUT I could not reasonably state that the whole Catholic Church is rotten as these things happened in the past and Priests, Bishops and even the Pope hid it and left the children to deal with it and it did effect their lives and this cannot be fixed. New Priests etc that entered the Church to serve their faith cannot be blamed.
I do think that there are genuine Priests who believe in their faith and want to help people serve God.
I am not a Church goer but each to their own. I am by no means making light of what happened but not every Priest is paedophile.
Its a bit like blaming the families of the Gestapo and every German soldier for every cruelty that happened in the war. A lot had no idea what was really happening.
No offence meant by that comment if you are German.
People need to stop talking about the Catholic church as if its the past.
Its the present, still being covered up still won't answer to anyone still fighting redress schemes. All in the present day
Are similar things still happening now"
One would be fairly stupid to assume they're not. Not as widespread tho |
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"I agree with second poster. At least these were consenting adults
IMO there shouldn't even be churches now to fuck in. They should have been all sold to cover the money they still owe the their victims that they haven't paid. 140 million still owed Sure we all know about the bad people in the church. But like I said not everyone was bad or is bad.So why paint all with the same brush.
Because they are all part of an organisation that willfully covered it up, allowed it to continue and then obstructed justice when being held accountable. The Catholic church is an absolute disgrace to religion in how it has behaved. People have the right to their beliefs as do people have the right to their opinions. Just like you are part of something on Fab. So if some people misbehavie on here are you also to be held accountable for their actions.
Fab is a group not an organisation. I didn't sign an oath, I paid for membership! I can't believe how you think that even remotely applies. My point their is bad apples in every barrel but their is also lots of good apples in every barrel same with the church good and bad but unfortunately the good get throwing in with the bad. just my opinion like.
People can be good decent people but if they continue to support an institution that has repeatedly,beyond any doubt, not only commited crimes against their most vulnerable but continuously sabotaged any form of redress or accountability, then no they are no longer a decent human being with a good conscience in my opinion Well if we all started giving up things we believe in because of others behavior. What are we left with. (nothing)
I think you have missed the point I was making. I was counteracting your point that some priests are good and not all are paedophiles. I merely pointed out that their silence and continued support is support and that takes away from there overall goodness as a human being. But surely not all of them knew what was going on.So their silence is understandable.
They know now! If all these "good" people spoke up together they might have made a difference but we will never know because they didn't. Are you a good person if you stay silent when your lively hood and vocation are at risk even if you don't agree with how appalling innocent children were treated.
I have watched this thread and see both sides of the argument. I have read about and watched on TV the deplorable things that some Priests did and yes the Catholic Religion should have dealt with it when it was reported to them. There is no doubt about that at all. No excuses acceptable ever!
BUT I could not reasonably state that the whole Catholic Church is rotten as these things happened in the past and Priests, Bishops and even the Pope hid it and left the children to deal with it and it did effect their lives and this cannot be fixed. New Priests etc that entered the Church to serve their faith cannot be blamed.
I do think that there are genuine Priests who believe in their faith and want to help people serve God.
I am not a Church goer but each to their own. I am by no means making light of what happened but not every Priest is paedophile.
Its a bit like blaming the families of the Gestapo and every German soldier for every cruelty that happened in the war. A lot had no idea what was really happening.
No offence meant by that comment if you are German.
People need to stop talking about the Catholic church as if its the past.
Its the present, still being covered up still won't answer to anyone still fighting redress schemes. All in the present day
Are similar things still happening now
One would be fairly stupid to assume they're not. Not as widespread tho"
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"I agree with second poster. At least these were consenting adults
IMO there shouldn't even be churches now to fuck in. They should have been all sold to cover the money they still owe the their victims that they haven't paid. 140 million still owed Sure we all know about the bad people in the church. But like I said not everyone was bad or is bad.So why paint all with the same brush.
Because they are all part of an organisation that willfully covered it up, allowed it to continue and then obstructed justice when being held accountable. The Catholic church is an absolute disgrace to religion in how it has behaved. People have the right to their beliefs as do people have the right to their opinions. Just like you are part of something on Fab. So if some people misbehavie on here are you also to be held accountable for their actions.
Fab is a group not an organisation. I didn't sign an oath, I paid for membership! I can't believe how you think that even remotely applies. My point their is bad apples in every barrel but their is also lots of good apples in every barrel same with the church good and bad but unfortunately the good get throwing in with the bad. just my opinion like.
People can be good decent people but if they continue to support an institution that has repeatedly,beyond any doubt, not only commited crimes against their most vulnerable but continuously sabotaged any form of redress or accountability, then no they are no longer a decent human being with a good conscience in my opinion Well if we all started giving up things we believe in because of others behavior. What are we left with. (nothing)
I think you have missed the point I was making. I was counteracting your point that some priests are good and not all are paedophiles. I merely pointed out that their silence and continued support is support and that takes away from there overall goodness as a human being. But surely not all of them knew what was going on.So their silence is understandable.
They know now! If all these "good" people spoke up together they might have made a difference but we will never know because they didn't. Are you a good person if you stay silent when your lively hood and vocation are at risk even if you don't agree with how appalling innocent children were treated.
I have watched this thread and see both sides of the argument. I have read about and watched on TV the deplorable things that some Priests did and yes the Catholic Religion should have dealt with it when it was reported to them. There is no doubt about that at all. No excuses acceptable ever!
BUT I could not reasonably state that the whole Catholic Church is rotten as these things happened in the past and Priests, Bishops and even the Pope hid it and left the children to deal with it and it did effect their lives and this cannot be fixed. New Priests etc that entered the Church to serve their faith cannot be blamed.
I do think that there are genuine Priests who believe in their faith and want to help people serve God.
I am not a Church goer but each to their own. I am by no means making light of what happened but not every Priest is paedophile.
Its a bit like blaming the families of the Gestapo and every German soldier for every cruelty that happened in the war. A lot had no idea what was really happening.
No offence meant by that comment if you are German.
People need to stop talking about the Catholic church as if its the past.
Its the present, still being covered up still won't answer to anyone still fighting redress schemes. All in the present day
Are similar things still happening now
One would be fairly stupid to assume they're not. Not as widespread tho"
But terrible things happen every day of the week.We can't blame it all on religion or can we. |
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By *oser OP Man
over a year ago
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"We all know people did terrible things in the name of region.But we also know of a lot of good things that happened in the name of religion also.
Like what? Comfort to the sick and dying.Christmas Easter. most people get married in a religious please.To name but a few."
I give comfort and care
Christmas & easter? Are you having a laugh....marriage? Ffs give my head peace |
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"We all know people did terrible things in the name of region.But we also know of a lot of good things that happened in the name of religion also.
Like what? Comfort to the sick and dying.Christmas Easter. most people get married in a religious please.To name but a few.
I give comfort and care
Christmas & easter? Are you having a laugh....marriage? Ffs give my head peace "
Not everyone can live without religion. Its a free choice and not all are bad |
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"We all know people did terrible things in the name of region.But we also know of a lot of good things that happened in the name of religion also.
Like what? Comfort to the sick and dying.Christmas Easter. most people get married in a religious please.To name but a few.
I give comfort and care
Christmas & easter? Are you having a laugh....marriage? Ffs give my head peace "
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By *oser OP Man
over a year ago
where the wild roses grow |
"We all know people did terrible things in the name of region.But we also know of a lot of good things that happened in the name of religion also.
Like what? Comfort to the sick and dying.Christmas Easter. most people get married in a religious please.To name but a few.
I give comfort and care
Christmas & easter? Are you having a laugh....marriage? Ffs give my head peace
Not everyone can live without religion. Its a free choice and not all are bad"
True it gives people false hope |
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By *un4tooCouple
over a year ago
north cork |
"I agree with second poster. At least these were consenting adults
IMO there shouldn't even be churches now to fuck in. They should have been all sold to cover the money they still owe the their victims that they haven't paid. 140 million still owed Sure we all know about the bad people in the church. But like I said not everyone was bad or is bad.So why paint all with the same brush.
Because they are all part of an organisation that willfully covered it up, allowed it to continue and then obstructed justice when being held accountable. The Catholic church is an absolute disgrace to religion in how it has behaved. People have the right to their beliefs as do people have the right to their opinions. Just like you are part of something on Fab. So if some people misbehavie on here are you also to be held accountable for their actions.
Fab is a group not an organisation. I didn't sign an oath, I paid for membership! I can't believe how you think that even remotely applies. My point their is bad apples in every barrel but their is also lots of good apples in every barrel same with the church good and bad but unfortunately the good get throwing in with the bad. just my opinion like.
People can be good decent people but if they continue to support an institution that has repeatedly,beyond any doubt, not only commited crimes against their most vulnerable but continuously sabotaged any form of redress or accountability, then no they are no longer a decent human being with a good conscience in my opinion Well if we all started giving up things we believe in because of others behavior. What are we left with. (nothing)
I think you have missed the point I was making. I was counteracting your point that some priests are good and not all are paedophiles. I merely pointed out that their silence and continued support is support and that takes away from there overall goodness as a human being. But surely not all of them knew what was going on.So their silence is understandable.
They know now! If all these "good" people spoke up together they might have made a difference but we will never know because they didn't. Are you a good person if you stay silent when your lively hood and vocation are at risk even if you don't agree with how appalling innocent children were treated.
I have watched this thread and see both sides of the argument. I have read about and watched on TV the deplorable things that some Priests did and yes the Catholic Religion should have dealt with it when it was reported to them. There is no doubt about that at all. No excuses acceptable ever!
BUT I could not reasonably state that the whole Catholic Church is rotten as these things happened in the past and Priests, Bishops and even the Pope hid it and left the children to deal with it and it did effect their lives and this cannot be fixed. New Priests etc that entered the Church to serve their faith cannot be blamed.
I do think that there are genuine Priests who believe in their faith and want to help people serve God.
I am not a Church goer but each to their own. I am by no means making light of what happened but not every Priest is paedophile.
Its a bit like blaming the families of the Gestapo and every German soldier for every cruelty that happened in the war. A lot had no idea what was really happening.
No offence meant by that comment if you are German.
People need to stop talking about the Catholic church as if its the past.
Its the present, still being covered up still won't answer to anyone still fighting redress schemes. All in the present day
Are similar things still happening now
One would be fairly stupid to assume they're not. Not as widespread tho But terrible things happen every day of the week.We can't blame it all on religion or can we."
Can u go back and quote me there where i blamed everything on the church or religion?
This whole thread is based around religion and nothing else. |
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"We all know people did terrible things in the name of region.But we also know of a lot of good things that happened in the name of religion also.
Like what? Comfort to the sick and dying.Christmas Easter. most people get married in a religious please.To name but a few.
I give comfort and care
Christmas & easter? Are you having a laugh....marriage? Ffs give my head peace
Not everyone can live without religion. Its a free choice and not all are bad"
But don't you see it makes people look big by running it down. |
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By *un4tooCouple
over a year ago
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"We all know people did terrible things in the name of region.But we also know of a lot of good things that happened in the name of religion also.
Like what? Comfort to the sick and dying.Christmas Easter. most people get married in a religious please.To name but a few.
I give comfort and care
Christmas & easter? Are you having a laugh....marriage? Ffs give my head peace
Not everyone can live without religion. Its a free choice and not all are bad But don't you see it makes people look big by running it down."
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By *oser OP Man
over a year ago
where the wild roses grow |
"We all know people did terrible things in the name of region.But we also know of a lot of good things that happened in the name of religion also.
Like what? Comfort to the sick and dying.Christmas Easter. most people get married in a religious please.To name but a few.
I give comfort and care
Christmas & easter? Are you having a laugh....marriage? Ffs give my head peace
Not everyone can live without religion. Its a free choice and not all are bad But don't you see it makes people look big by running it down."
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"We all know people did terrible things in the name of region.But we also know of a lot of good things that happened in the name of religion also.
Like what? Comfort to the sick and dying.Christmas Easter. most people get married in a religious please.To name but a few.
I give comfort and care
Christmas & easter? Are you having a laugh....marriage? Ffs give my head peace
Not everyone can live without religion. Its a free choice and not all are bad
True it gives people false hope "
False hope to some, peace to others.
A very young relation of mine was killed by a d*unken driver a few years ago. Her Mum said her faith got her through it. So who is to say its all bad.
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By *adame BWoman
over a year ago
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"I agree with second poster. At least these were consenting adults
IMO there shouldn't even be churches now to fuck in. They should have been all sold to cover the money they still owe the their victims that they haven't paid. 140 million still owed Sure we all know about the bad people in the church. But like I said not everyone was bad or is bad.So why paint all with the same brush.
Because they are all part of an organisation that willfully covered it up, allowed it to continue and then obstructed justice when being held accountable. The Catholic church is an absolute disgrace to religion in how it has behaved. People have the right to their beliefs as do people have the right to their opinions. Just like you are part of something on Fab. So if some people misbehavie on here are you also to be held accountable for their actions.
Fab is a group not an organisation. I didn't sign an oath, I paid for membership! I can't believe how you think that even remotely applies. My point their is bad apples in every barrel but their is also lots of good apples in every barrel same with the church good and bad but unfortunately the good get throwing in with the bad. just my opinion like.
People can be good decent people but if they continue to support an institution that has repeatedly,beyond any doubt, not only commited crimes against their most vulnerable but continuously sabotaged any form of redress or accountability, then no they are no longer a decent human being with a good conscience in my opinion Well if we all started giving up things we believe in because of others behavior. What are we left with. (nothing)
I think you have missed the point I was making. I was counteracting your point that some priests are good and not all are paedophiles. I merely pointed out that their silence and continued support is support and that takes away from there overall goodness as a human being. But surely not all of them knew what was going on.So their silence is understandable.
They know now! If all these "good" people spoke up together they might have made a difference but we will never know because they didn't. Are you a good person if you stay silent when your lively hood and vocation are at risk even if you don't agree with how appalling innocent children were treated.
I have watched this thread and see both sides of the argument. I have read about and watched on TV the deplorable things that some Priests did and yes the Catholic Religion should have dealt with it when it was reported to them. There is no doubt about that at all. No excuses acceptable ever!
BUT I could not reasonably state that the whole Catholic Church is rotten as these things happened in the past and Priests, Bishops and even the Pope hid it and left the children to deal with it and it did effect their lives and this cannot be fixed. New Priests etc that entered the Church to serve their faith cannot be blamed.
I do think that there are genuine Priests who believe in their faith and want to help people serve God.
I am not a Church goer but each to their own. I am by no means making light of what happened but not every Priest is paedophile.
Its a bit like blaming the families of the Gestapo and every German soldier for every cruelty that happened in the war. A lot had no idea what was really happening.
No offence meant by that comment if you are German.
People need to stop talking about the Catholic church as if its the past.
Its the present, still being covered up still won't answer to anyone still fighting redress schemes. All in the present day "
Knowing what the Gestapo did and still signing up then ahhh yes I say that person is condoning previous behaviour through continued support!
And yes it is still current to a lesser degree but not resolved by any means. |
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By *un4tooCouple
over a year ago
north cork |
"We all know people did terrible things in the name of region.But we also know of a lot of good things that happened in the name of religion also.
Like what? Comfort to the sick and dying.Christmas Easter. most people get married in a religious please.To name but a few.
I give comfort and care
Christmas & easter? Are you having a laugh....marriage? Ffs give my head peace
Not everyone can live without religion. Its a free choice and not all are bad But don't you see it makes people look big by running it down."
Because defending it is morally better. Says a lot about a person |
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By *adame BWoman
over a year ago
C'est moi Boudoir |
"We all know people did terrible things in the name of region.But we also know of a lot of good things that happened in the name of religion also.
Like what? Comfort to the sick and dying.Christmas Easter. most people get married in a religious please.To name but a few.
I give comfort and care
Christmas & easter? Are you having a laugh....marriage? Ffs give my head peace
Not everyone can live without religion. Its a free choice and not all are bad But don't you see it makes people look big by running it down."
I tell you what Sue. Do you have children, if so drop them off to those lovely good men you are defending and we will go for a drink and discuss the merits of your argument. |
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"I agree with second poster. At least these were consenting adults
IMO there shouldn't even be churches now to fuck in. They should have been all sold to cover the money they still owe the their victims that they haven't paid. 140 million still owed Sure we all know about the bad people in the church. But like I said not everyone was bad or is bad.So why paint all with the same brush.
Because they are all part of an organisation that willfully covered it up, allowed it to continue and then obstructed justice when being held accountable. The Catholic church is an absolute disgrace to religion in how it has behaved. People have the right to their beliefs as do people have the right to their opinions. Just like you are part of something on Fab. So if some people misbehavie on here are you also to be held accountable for their actions.
Fab is a group not an organisation. I didn't sign an oath, I paid for membership! I can't believe how you think that even remotely applies. My point their is bad apples in every barrel but their is also lots of good apples in every barrel same with the church good and bad but unfortunately the good get throwing in with the bad. just my opinion like.
People can be good decent people but if they continue to support an institution that has repeatedly,beyond any doubt, not only commited crimes against their most vulnerable but continuously sabotaged any form of redress or accountability, then no they are no longer a decent human being with a good conscience in my opinion Well if we all started giving up things we believe in because of others behavior. What are we left with. (nothing)
I think you have missed the point I was making. I was counteracting your point that some priests are good and not all are paedophiles. I merely pointed out that their silence and continued support is support and that takes away from there overall goodness as a human being. But surely not all of them knew what was going on.So their silence is understandable.
They know now! If all these "good" people spoke up together they might have made a difference but we will never know because they didn't. Are you a good person if you stay silent when your lively hood and vocation are at risk even if you don't agree with how appalling innocent children were treated.
I have watched this thread and see both sides of the argument. I have read about and watched on TV the deplorable things that some Priests did and yes the Catholic Religion should have dealt with it when it was reported to them. There is no doubt about that at all. No excuses acceptable ever!
BUT I could not reasonably state that the whole Catholic Church is rotten as these things happened in the past and Priests, Bishops and even the Pope hid it and left the children to deal with it and it did effect their lives and this cannot be fixed. New Priests etc that entered the Church to serve their faith cannot be blamed.
I do think that there are genuine Priests who believe in their faith and want to help people serve God.
I am not a Church goer but each to their own. I am by no means making light of what happened but not every Priest is paedophile.
Its a bit like blaming the families of the Gestapo and every German soldier for every cruelty that happened in the war. A lot had no idea what was really happening.
No offence meant by that comment if you are German.
People need to stop talking about the Catholic church as if its the past.
Its the present, still being covered up still won't answer to anyone still fighting redress schemes. All in the present day
Knowing what the Gestapo did and still signing up then ahhh yes I say that person is condoning previous behaviour through continued support!
And yes it is still current to a lesser degree but not resolved by any means. "
Firstly the Gestapo didnt have a choice what they did. Most enjoyed the power but others did have a conscience but valued not being shot or their family killed more.
How can it be resolved then? |
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By *un4tooCouple
over a year ago
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"I agree with second poster. At least these were consenting adults
IMO there shouldn't even be churches now to fuck in. They should have been all sold to cover the money they still owe the their victims that they haven't paid. 140 million still owed Sure we all know about the bad people in the church. But like I said not everyone was bad or is bad.So why paint all with the same brush.
Because they are all part of an organisation that willfully covered it up, allowed it to continue and then obstructed justice when being held accountable. The Catholic church is an absolute disgrace to religion in how it has behaved. People have the right to their beliefs as do people have the right to their opinions. Just like you are part of something on Fab. So if some people misbehavie on here are you also to be held accountable for their actions.
Fab is a group not an organisation. I didn't sign an oath, I paid for membership! I can't believe how you think that even remotely applies. My point their is bad apples in every barrel but their is also lots of good apples in every barrel same with the church good and bad but unfortunately the good get throwing in with the bad. just my opinion like.
People can be good decent people but if they continue to support an institution that has repeatedly,beyond any doubt, not only commited crimes against their most vulnerable but continuously sabotaged any form of redress or accountability, then no they are no longer a decent human being with a good conscience in my opinion Well if we all started giving up things we believe in because of others behavior. What are we left with. (nothing)
I think you have missed the point I was making. I was counteracting your point that some priests are good and not all are paedophiles. I merely pointed out that their silence and continued support is support and that takes away from there overall goodness as a human being. But surely not all of them knew what was going on.So their silence is understandable.
They know now! If all these "good" people spoke up together they might have made a difference but we will never know because they didn't. Are you a good person if you stay silent when your lively hood and vocation are at risk even if you don't agree with how appalling innocent children were treated.
I have watched this thread and see both sides of the argument. I have read about and watched on TV the deplorable things that some Priests did and yes the Catholic Religion should have dealt with it when it was reported to them. There is no doubt about that at all. No excuses acceptable ever!
BUT I could not reasonably state that the whole Catholic Church is rotten as these things happened in the past and Priests, Bishops and even the Pope hid it and left the children to deal with it and it did effect their lives and this cannot be fixed. New Priests etc that entered the Church to serve their faith cannot be blamed.
I do think that there are genuine Priests who believe in their faith and want to help people serve God.
I am not a Church goer but each to their own. I am by no means making light of what happened but not every Priest is paedophile.
Its a bit like blaming the families of the Gestapo and every German soldier for every cruelty that happened in the war. A lot had no idea what was really happening.
No offence meant by that comment if you are German.
People need to stop talking about the Catholic church as if its the past.
Its the present, still being covered up still won't answer to anyone still fighting redress schemes. All in the present day
Knowing what the Gestapo did and still signing up then ahhh yes I say that person is condoning previous behaviour through continued support!
And yes it is still current to a lesser degree but not resolved by any means.
Firstly the Gestapo didnt have a choice what they did. Most enjoyed the power but others did have a conscience but valued not being shot or their family killed more.
How can it be resolved then?"
So youll admit defeat on your church argument? Going completely off the topic at hand there |
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By *adame BWoman
over a year ago
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"I agree with second poster. At least these were consenting adults
IMO there shouldn't even be churches now to fuck in. They should have been all sold to cover the money they still owe the their victims that they haven't paid. 140 million still owed Sure we all know about the bad people in the church. But like I said not everyone was bad or is bad.So why paint all with the same brush.
Because they are all part of an organisation that willfully covered it up, allowed it to continue and then obstructed justice when being held accountable. The Catholic church is an absolute disgrace to religion in how it has behaved. People have the right to their beliefs as do people have the right to their opinions. Just like you are part of something on Fab. So if some people misbehavie on here are you also to be held accountable for their actions.
Fab is a group not an organisation. I didn't sign an oath, I paid for membership! I can't believe how you think that even remotely applies. My point their is bad apples in every barrel but their is also lots of good apples in every barrel same with the church good and bad but unfortunately the good get throwing in with the bad. just my opinion like.
People can be good decent people but if they continue to support an institution that has repeatedly,beyond any doubt, not only commited crimes against their most vulnerable but continuously sabotaged any form of redress or accountability, then no they are no longer a decent human being with a good conscience in my opinion Well if we all started giving up things we believe in because of others behavior. What are we left with. (nothing)
I think you have missed the point I was making. I was counteracting your point that some priests are good and not all are paedophiles. I merely pointed out that their silence and continued support is support and that takes away from there overall goodness as a human being. But surely not all of them knew what was going on.So their silence is understandable.
They know now! If all these "good" people spoke up together they might have made a difference but we will never know because they didn't. Are you a good person if you stay silent when your lively hood and vocation are at risk even if you don't agree with how appalling innocent children were treated.
I have watched this thread and see both sides of the argument. I have read about and watched on TV the deplorable things that some Priests did and yes the Catholic Religion should have dealt with it when it was reported to them. There is no doubt about that at all. No excuses acceptable ever!
BUT I could not reasonably state that the whole Catholic Church is rotten as these things happened in the past and Priests, Bishops and even the Pope hid it and left the children to deal with it and it did effect their lives and this cannot be fixed. New Priests etc that entered the Church to serve their faith cannot be blamed.
I do think that there are genuine Priests who believe in their faith and want to help people serve God.
I am not a Church goer but each to their own. I am by no means making light of what happened but not every Priest is paedophile.
Its a bit like blaming the families of the Gestapo and every German soldier for every cruelty that happened in the war. A lot had no idea what was really happening.
No offence meant by that comment if you are German.
People need to stop talking about the Catholic church as if its the past.
Its the present, still being covered up still won't answer to anyone still fighting redress schemes. All in the present day
Knowing what the Gestapo did and still signing up then ahhh yes I say that person is condoning previous behaviour through continued support!
And yes it is still current to a lesser degree but not resolved by any means.
Firstly the Gestapo didnt have a choice what they did. Most enjoyed the power but others did have a conscience but valued not being shot or their family killed more.
How can it be resolved then?"
I never said every priest is a paedophile! I said there silence and support condoned the behaviour of those that were protected by an institution that was more concerned about it's hierarchy and power than it's people.
As far as I am concerned there is no coming back from this as the cover up was a double abuse. I do not need a moral compass from that kind of institution. They are mortal human beings. People can believe in whatever they want to, they don't need a building to do so.
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By *un4tooCouple
over a year ago
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"I agree with second poster. At least these were consenting adults
IMO there shouldn't even be churches now to fuck in. They should have been all sold to cover the money they still owe the their victims that they haven't paid. 140 million still owed Sure we all know about the bad people in the church. But like I said not everyone was bad or is bad.So why paint all with the same brush.
Because they are all part of an organisation that willfully covered it up, allowed it to continue and then obstructed justice when being held accountable. The Catholic church is an absolute disgrace to religion in how it has behaved. People have the right to their beliefs as do people have the right to their opinions. Just like you are part of something on Fab. So if some people misbehavie on here are you also to be held accountable for their actions.
Fab is a group not an organisation. I didn't sign an oath, I paid for membership! I can't believe how you think that even remotely applies. My point their is bad apples in every barrel but their is also lots of good apples in every barrel same with the church good and bad but unfortunately the good get throwing in with the bad. just my opinion like.
People can be good decent people but if they continue to support an institution that has repeatedly,beyond any doubt, not only commited crimes against their most vulnerable but continuously sabotaged any form of redress or accountability, then no they are no longer a decent human being with a good conscience in my opinion Well if we all started giving up things we believe in because of others behavior. What are we left with. (nothing)
I think you have missed the point I was making. I was counteracting your point that some priests are good and not all are paedophiles. I merely pointed out that their silence and continued support is support and that takes away from there overall goodness as a human being. But surely not all of them knew what was going on.So their silence is understandable.
They know now! If all these "good" people spoke up together they might have made a difference but we will never know because they didn't. Are you a good person if you stay silent when your lively hood and vocation are at risk even if you don't agree with how appalling innocent children were treated.
I have watched this thread and see both sides of the argument. I have read about and watched on TV the deplorable things that some Priests did and yes the Catholic Religion should have dealt with it when it was reported to them. There is no doubt about that at all. No excuses acceptable ever!
BUT I could not reasonably state that the whole Catholic Church is rotten as these things happened in the past and Priests, Bishops and even the Pope hid it and left the children to deal with it and it did effect their lives and this cannot be fixed. New Priests etc that entered the Church to serve their faith cannot be blamed.
I do think that there are genuine Priests who believe in their faith and want to help people serve God.
I am not a Church goer but each to their own. I am by no means making light of what happened but not every Priest is paedophile.
Its a bit like blaming the families of the Gestapo and every German soldier for every cruelty that happened in the war. A lot had no idea what was really happening.
No offence meant by that comment if you are German.
People need to stop talking about the Catholic church as if its the past.
Its the present, still being covered up still won't answer to anyone still fighting redress schemes. All in the present day
Knowing what the Gestapo did and still signing up then ahhh yes I say that person is condoning previous behaviour through continued support!
And yes it is still current to a lesser degree but not resolved by any means.
Firstly the Gestapo didnt have a choice what they did. Most enjoyed the power but others did have a conscience but valued not being shot or their family killed more.
How can it be resolved then?
I never said every priest is a paedophile! I said there silence and support condoned the behaviour of those that were protected by an institution that was more concerned about it's hierarchy and power than it's people.
As far as I am concerned there is no coming back from this as the cover up was a double abuse. I do not need a moral compass from that kind of institution. They are mortal human beings. People can believe in whatever they want to, they don't need a building to do so.
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"We all know people did terrible things in the name of region.But we also know of a lot of good things that happened in the name of religion also.
Like what? Comfort to the sick and dying.Christmas Easter. most people get married in a religious please.To name but a few.
I give comfort and care
Christmas & easter? Are you having a laugh....marriage? Ffs give my head peace
Not everyone can live without religion. Its a free choice and not all are bad But don't you see it makes people look big by running it down.
Thats a stupid comment"
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By *un4tooCouple
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"We all know people did terrible things in the name of region.But we also know of a lot of good things that happened in the name of religion also.
Like what? Comfort to the sick and dying.Christmas Easter. most people get married in a religious please.To name but a few.
I give comfort and care
Christmas & easter? Are you having a laugh....marriage? Ffs give my head peace
Not everyone can live without religion. Its a free choice and not all are bad But don't you see it makes people look big by running it down.
Thats a stupid comment So I'm stupid because i think you are trying to be the big man making fun out of religion.o.k that's your opinion."
Reading isnt your strong point, is it? The COMMENT is stupid. Many intelligent people make stupid comments once in a while. |
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By *adame BWoman
over a year ago
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"We all know people did terrible things in the name of region.But we also know of a lot of good things that happened in the name of religion also.
Like what? Comfort to the sick and dying.Christmas Easter. most people get married in a religious please.To name but a few.
I give comfort and care
Christmas & easter? Are you having a laugh....marriage? Ffs give my head peace
Not everyone can live without religion. Its a free choice and not all are bad But don't you see it makes people look big by running it down.
Thats a stupid comment So I'm stupid because i think you are trying to be the big man making fun out of religion.o.k that's your opinion."
No because there is a valid argument here and irrefutable fact's. Accusing people of "being the big man" means that you have ran out of points and resorted to name calling. |
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"My father was educated within the catholic system. Beaten black and blue on a daily bases. He had two of his fingers broken deliberately. His sin? He was left handed. The sinister hand as the church once referred to it. That belief is long gone. Why? Because of public opinion. You see the church doesn’t give people a moral standing. It’s the other way around. Without public opinion the church would continue to act with impunity. We, the great unwashed give morality to the church. As for making light of the church? Well what is humour? It’s the discontinuation of continuity. You expect to hear one thing and your told the polar opposite. Like a child entering into a care home. All the child needs is love, support and education. Instead we have sodomy, beatings and kids buried in septic tanks. Unmarried mothers told they can have the child baptized on the side alter with no witnesses. A child still born and the patents told because the poor thing wasn’t baptized it’s soul will forever dwell in purgatory. That’s not humour, that’s just fact. A sad fact at that.
I have nothing against the upstanding priests of this world or the people who believe in the Bible’s teachings. It’s the Catholic Church I hold in contempt. Making light of the church is my duty. Pointing out it’s flaws is everyone’s. How else will the church learn its morals.
sad but true. Brilliantly worded."
The church is nothing more than a business. My parents raised me as an atheist. Read above for the reasoning. My morality I got from my family and my peers. Not from a book written 600 years ago. |
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"We all know people did terrible things in the name of region.But we also know of a lot of good things that happened in the name of religion also.
Like what? Comfort to the sick and dying.Christmas Easter. most people get married in a religious please.To name but a few.
I give comfort and care
Christmas & easter? Are you having a laugh....marriage? Ffs give my head peace
Not everyone can live without religion. Its a free choice and not all are bad But don't you see it makes people look big by running it down.
I tell you what Sue. Do you have children, if so drop them off to those lovely good men you are defending and we will go for a drink and discuss the merits of your argument. "
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"We all know people did terrible things in the name of region.But we also know of a lot of good things that happened in the name of religion also.
Like what? Comfort to the sick and dying.Christmas Easter. most people get married in a religious please.To name but a few.
I give comfort and care
Christmas & easter? Are you having a laugh....marriage? Ffs give my head peace
Not everyone can live without religion. Its a free choice and not all are bad But don't you see it makes people look big by running it down.
Thats a stupid comment So I'm stupid because i think you are trying to be the big man making fun out of religion.o.k that's your opinion.
No because there is a valid argument here and irrefutable fact's. Accusing people of "being the big man" means that you have ran out of points and resorted to name calling. "
You must have missed where I was called stupid by your friend.But hay we all see and hear what suits us don't we.Just saying like. |
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"We all know people did terrible things in the name of region.But we also know of a lot of good things that happened in the name of religion also.
Like what? Comfort to the sick and dying.Christmas Easter. most people get married in a religious please.To name but a few.
I give comfort and care
Christmas & easter? Are you having a laugh....marriage? Ffs give my head peace
Not everyone can live without religion. Its a free choice and not all are bad But don't you see it makes people look big by running it down.
Thats a stupid comment So I'm stupid because i think you are trying to be the big man making fun out of religion.o.k that's your opinion.
Reading isnt your strong point, is it? The COMMENT is stupid. Many intelligent people make stupid comments once in a while."
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By *adame BWoman
over a year ago
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"We all know people did terrible things in the name of region.But we also know of a lot of good things that happened in the name of religion also.
Like what? Comfort to the sick and dying.Christmas Easter. most people get married in a religious please.To name but a few.
I give comfort and care
Christmas & easter? Are you having a laugh....marriage? Ffs give my head peace
Not everyone can live without religion. Its a free choice and not all are bad But don't you see it makes people look big by running it down.
I tell you what Sue. Do you have children, if so drop them off to those lovely good men you are defending and we will go for a drink and discuss the merits of your argument. yes I have kids and one of them is an alter boy and I have no problem with that."
And I hope your son doesn't either.
Religion, faith and belief in my opinion is a personal choice. I believe in identity and family first and my belief system and sense of morals should support me in my role as a decent and individual person and a parent.
I choose not to support the Roman Catholic church in any way or any religion that puts me or my loved ones at risk or any person for that matter.
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By *adame BWoman
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"We all know people did terrible things in the name of region.But we also know of a lot of good things that happened in the name of religion also.
Like what? Comfort to the sick and dying.Christmas Easter. most people get married in a religious please.To name but a few.
I give comfort and care
Christmas & easter? Are you having a laugh....marriage? Ffs give my head peace
Not everyone can live without religion. Its a free choice and not all are bad But don't you see it makes people look big by running it down.
Thats a stupid comment So I'm stupid because i think you are trying to be the big man making fun out of religion.o.k that's your opinion.
No because there is a valid argument here and irrefutable fact's. Accusing people of "being the big man" means that you have ran out of points and resorted to name calling. You must have missed where I was called stupid by your friend.But hay we all see and hear what suits us don't we.Just saying like."
Again Sue misquoting seems to be a habit you use to deflect from the debate. Nobody called you personally stupid. You were made aware of the fact that they thought your comment was stupid in their opinion.
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"We all know people did terrible things in the name of region.But we also know of a lot of good things that happened in the name of religion also.
Like what? Comfort to the sick and dying.Christmas Easter. most people get married in a religious please.To name but a few.
I give comfort and care
Christmas & easter? Are you having a laugh....marriage? Ffs give my head peace
Not everyone can live without religion. Its a free choice and not all are bad But don't you see it makes people look big by running it down.
I tell you what Sue. Do you have children, if so drop them off to those lovely good men you are defending and we will go for a drink and discuss the merits of your argument. yes I have kids and one of them is an alter boy and I have no problem with that.
And I hope your son doesn't either.
Religion, faith and belief in my opinion is a personal choice. I believe in identity and family first and my belief system and sense of morals should support me in my role as a decent and individual person and a parent.
I choose not to support the Roman Catholic church in any way or any religion that puts me or my loved ones at risk or any person for that matter.
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That's your choice. I support the Catholic Church I might not be a reagural mass goer but in times of need I always turn to it.People on here might like to make fun of me or call me stupid for doing so but I won't let it bother me. |
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"We all know people did terrible things in the name of region.But we also know of a lot of good things that happened in the name of religion also.
Like what? Comfort to the sick and dying.Christmas Easter. most people get married in a religious please.To name but a few.
I give comfort and care
Christmas & easter? Are you having a laugh....marriage? Ffs give my head peace
Not everyone can live without religion. Its a free choice and not all are bad But don't you see it makes people look big by running it down.
Thats a stupid comment So I'm stupid because i think you are trying to be the big man making fun out of religion.o.k that's your opinion.
No because there is a valid argument here and irrefutable fact's. Accusing people of "being the big man" means that you have ran out of points and resorted to name calling. You must have missed where I was called stupid by your friend.But hay we all see and hear what suits us don't we.Just saying like.
Again Sue misquoting seems to be a habit you use to deflect from the debate. Nobody called you personally stupid. You were made aware of the fact that they thought your comment was stupid in their opinion.
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I'm not debating. I believe there is good men in the church as well as bad ones like in every other walk of life.Some get away with it other are caught.But good will always triumph over evil.Just saying like. |
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By *adame BWoman
over a year ago
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"We all know people did terrible things in the name of region.But we also know of a lot of good things that happened in the name of religion also.
Like what? Comfort to the sick and dying.Christmas Easter. most people get married in a religious please.To name but a few.
I give comfort and care
Christmas & easter? Are you having a laugh....marriage? Ffs give my head peace
Not everyone can live without religion. Its a free choice and not all are bad But don't you see it makes people look big by running it down.
I tell you what Sue. Do you have children, if so drop them off to those lovely good men you are defending and we will go for a drink and discuss the merits of your argument. yes I have kids and one of them is an alter boy and I have no problem with that.
And I hope your son doesn't either.
Religion, faith and belief in my opinion is a personal choice. I believe in identity and family first and my belief system and sense of morals should support me in my role as a decent and individual person and a parent.
I choose not to support the Roman Catholic church in any way or any religion that puts me or my loved ones at risk or any person for that matter.
That's your choice. I support the Catholic Church I might not be a reagural mass goer but in times of need I always turn to it.People on here might like to make fun of me or call me stupid for doing so but I won't let it bother me."
Nobody was making fun or calling you stupid. The forum's are an open discussion that allows for disagreement. Name calling is not needed in a valid debate. You can make a point without resorting to that. Your faith is your business. Your opinion if posted here is up for discussion, just like mine and everybody else's.
I am going to ignore a few other obvious points but will say this. Religion will always be a heated topic with valid reason. This country has been hurt to it's core by the management and behaviour of the church. The trust, voice and support of the people has been repressed by it for far too long. I believe that the majority of people have been disillusioned by it and have left out of disgust.
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"I agree with second poster. At least these were consenting adults
IMO there shouldn't even be churches now to fuck in. They should have been all sold to cover the money they still owe the their victims that they haven't paid. 140 million still owed Sure we all know about the bad people in the church. But like I said not everyone was bad or is bad.So why paint all with the same brush.
Because they are all part of an organisation that willfully covered it up, allowed it to continue and then obstructed justice when being held accountable. The Catholic church is an absolute disgrace to religion in how it has behaved. People have the right to their beliefs as do people have the right to their opinions. Just like you are part of something on Fab. So if some people misbehavie on here are you also to be held accountable for their actions.
Fab is a group not an organisation. I didn't sign an oath, I paid for membership! I can't believe how you think that even remotely applies. My point their is bad apples in every barrel but their is also lots of good apples in every barrel same with the church good and bad but unfortunately the good get throwing in with the bad. just my opinion like.
People can be good decent people but if they continue to support an institution that has repeatedly,beyond any doubt, not only commited crimes against their most vulnerable but continuously sabotaged any form of redress or accountability, then no they are no longer a decent human being with a good conscience in my opinion Well if we all started giving up things we believe in because of others behavior. What are we left with. (nothing)
I think you have missed the point I was making. I was counteracting your point that some priests are good and not all are paedophiles. I merely pointed out that their silence and continued support is support and that takes away from there overall goodness as a human being. But surely not all of them knew what was going on.So their silence is understandable.
They know now! If all these "good" people spoke up together they might have made a difference but we will never know because they didn't. Are you a good person if you stay silent when your lively hood and vocation are at risk even if you don't agree with how appalling innocent children were treated.
I have watched this thread and see both sides of the argument. I have read about and watched on TV the deplorable things that some Priests did and yes the Catholic Religion should have dealt with it when it was reported to them. There is no doubt about that at all. No excuses acceptable ever!
BUT I could not reasonably state that the whole Catholic Church is rotten as these things happened in the past and Priests, Bishops and even the Pope hid it and left the children to deal with it and it did effect their lives and this cannot be fixed. New Priests etc that entered the Church to serve their faith cannot be blamed.
I do think that there are genuine Priests who believe in their faith and want to help people serve God.
I am not a Church goer but each to their own. I am by no means making light of what happened but not every Priest is paedophile.
Its a bit like blaming the families of the Gestapo and every German soldier for every cruelty that happened in the war. A lot had no idea what was really happening.
No offence meant by that comment if you are German.
People need to stop talking about the Catholic church as if its the past.
Its the present, still being covered up still won't answer to anyone still fighting redress schemes. All in the present day
Knowing what the Gestapo did and still signing up then ahhh yes I say that person is condoning previous behaviour through continued support!
And yes it is still current to a lesser degree but not resolved by any means.
Firstly the Gestapo didnt have a choice what they did. Most enjoyed the power but others did have a conscience but valued not being shot or their family killed more.
How can it be resolved then?
I never said every priest is a paedophile! I said there silence and support condoned the behaviour of those that were protected by an institution that was more concerned about it's hierarchy and power than it's people.
As far as I am concerned there is no coming back from this as the cover up was a double abuse. I do not need a moral compass from that kind of institution. They are mortal human beings. People can believe in whatever they want to, they don't need a building to do so.
Spot on "
I agree that everyone is entitled to their own beliefs but believe it or not some do need buildings, services etc to feel they are proper Catholics.
Probably the older generation but it is fact that the Catholic churches are still full on a sunday.
Especially in the country.
Not everyone can decompartmentalise their beliefs and they go part and parcel with church and mass.
A lot of women still get married in churches as it is their dream.
The fact is the tradegys happened...move on.
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"We all know people did terrible things in the name of region.But we also know of a lot of good things that happened in the name of religion also.
Like what? Comfort to the sick and dying.Christmas Easter. most people get married in a religious please.To name but a few.
I give comfort and care
Christmas & easter? Are you having a laugh....marriage? Ffs give my head peace
Not everyone can live without religion. Its a free choice and not all are bad But don't you see it makes people look big by running it down.
Thats a stupid comment So I'm stupid because i think you are trying to be the big man making fun out of religion.o.k that's your opinion.
No because there is a valid argument here and irrefutable fact's. Accusing people of "being the big man" means that you have ran out of points and resorted to name calling. You must have missed where I was called stupid by your friend.But hay we all see and hear what suits us don't we.Just saying like.
Again Sue misquoting seems to be a habit you use to deflect from the debate. Nobody called you personally stupid. You were made aware of the fact that they thought your comment was stupid in their opinion.
I'm not debating. I believe there is good men in the church as well as bad ones like in every other walk of life.Some get away with it other are caught.But good will always triumph over evil.Just saying like."
Life isn't a western! Certain institutions pretended to be good while avoiding accountability for their evil actions.
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"I agree with second poster. At least these were consenting adults
IMO there shouldn't even be churches now to fuck in. They should have been all sold to cover the money they still owe the their victims that they haven't paid. 140 million still owed Sure we all know about the bad people in the church. But like I said not everyone was bad or is bad.So why paint all with the same brush.
Because they are all part of an organisation that willfully covered it up, allowed it to continue and then obstructed justice when being held accountable. The Catholic church is an absolute disgrace to religion in how it has behaved. People have the right to their beliefs as do people have the right to their opinions. Just like you are part of something on Fab. So if some people misbehavie on here are you also to be held accountable for their actions.
Fab is a group not an organisation. I didn't sign an oath, I paid for membership! I can't believe how you think that even remotely applies. My point their is bad apples in every barrel but their is also lots of good apples in every barrel same with the church good and bad but unfortunately the good get throwing in with the bad. just my opinion like.
People can be good decent people but if they continue to support an institution that has repeatedly,beyond any doubt, not only commited crimes against their most vulnerable but continuously sabotaged any form of redress or accountability, then no they are no longer a decent human being with a good conscience in my opinion Well if we all started giving up things we believe in because of others behavior. What are we left with. (nothing)
I think you have missed the point I was making. I was counteracting your point that some priests are good and not all are paedophiles. I merely pointed out that their silence and continued support is support and that takes away from there overall goodness as a human being. But surely not all of them knew what was going on.So their silence is understandable.
They know now! If all these "good" people spoke up together they might have made a difference but we will never know because they didn't. Are you a good person if you stay silent when your lively hood and vocation are at risk even if you don't agree with how appalling innocent children were treated.
I have watched this thread and see both sides of the argument. I have read about and watched on TV the deplorable things that some Priests did and yes the Catholic Religion should have dealt with it when it was reported to them. There is no doubt about that at all. No excuses acceptable ever!
BUT I could not reasonably state that the whole Catholic Church is rotten as these things happened in the past and Priests, Bishops and even the Pope hid it and left the children to deal with it and it did effect their lives and this cannot be fixed. New Priests etc that entered the Church to serve their faith cannot be blamed.
I do think that there are genuine Priests who believe in their faith and want to help people serve God.
I am not a Church goer but each to their own. I am by no means making light of what happened but not every Priest is paedophile.
Its a bit like blaming the families of the Gestapo and every German soldier for every cruelty that happened in the war. A lot had no idea what was really happening.
No offence meant by that comment if you are German.
People need to stop talking about the Catholic church as if its the past.
Its the present, still being covered up still won't answer to anyone still fighting redress schemes. All in the present day
Knowing what the Gestapo did and still signing up then ahhh yes I say that person is condoning previous behaviour through continued support!
And yes it is still current to a lesser degree but not resolved by any means.
Firstly the Gestapo didnt have a choice what they did. Most enjoyed the power but others did have a conscience but valued not being shot or their family killed more.
How can it be resolved then?
I never said every priest is a paedophile! I said there silence and support condoned the behaviour of those that were protected by an institution that was more concerned about it's hierarchy and power than it's people.
As far as I am concerned there is no coming back from this as the cover up was a double abuse. I do not need a moral compass from that kind of institution. They are mortal human beings. People can believe in whatever they want to, they don't need a building to do so.
Spot on
I agree that everyone is entitled to their own beliefs but believe it or not some do need buildings, services etc to feel they are proper Catholics.
Probably the older generation but it is fact that the Catholic churches are still full on a sunday.
Especially in the country.
Not everyone can decompartmentalise their beliefs and they go part and parcel with church and mass.
A lot of women still get married in churches as it is their dream.
The fact is the tradegys happened...move on.
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There is good and bad in all walks of life i was an alter boy under 3 different priests all gentlemen who had a good influence on me growing up also like in a lot of small parishes local priest looked after gaa youth football teams brought us everywhere in his car to match and he was a total gentleman |
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"We all know people did terrible things in the name of region.But we also know of a lot of good things that happened in the name of religion also.
Like what? Comfort to the sick and dying.Christmas Easter. most people get married in a religious please.To name but a few.
I give comfort and care
Christmas & easter? Are you having a laugh....marriage? Ffs give my head peace
Not everyone can live without religion. Its a free choice and not all are bad But don't you see it makes people look big by running it down.
Thats a stupid comment So I'm stupid because i think you are trying to be the big man making fun out of religion.o.k that's your opinion.
No because there is a valid argument here and irrefutable fact's. Accusing people of "being the big man" means that you have ran out of points and resorted to name calling. You must have missed where I was called stupid by your friend.But hay we all see and hear what suits us don't we.Just saying like.
Again Sue misquoting seems to be a habit you use to deflect from the debate. Nobody called you personally stupid. You were made aware of the fact that they thought your comment was stupid in their opinion.
I'm not debating. I believe there is good men in the church as well as bad ones like in every other walk of life.Some get away with it other are caught.But good will always triumph over evil.Just saying like.
Life isn't a western! Certain institutions pretended to be good while avoiding accountability for their evil actions.
You are repeatedly just saying that. "
How can I make this clear enough for you to understand I believe in the Catholic Church.I also know people in the church did terrible things.But I also believe a lot of good men did a lot of good things in the Catholic Church.Now what's so hard in that to understand.My beliefs are not up for debating. |
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"There is good and bad in all walks of life i was an alter boy under 3 different priests all gentlemen who had a good influence on me growing up also like in a lot of small parishes local priest looked after gaa youth football teams brought us everywhere in his car to match and he was a total gentleman "
Yes but people just want to hear the bad things no scandal in good news.
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By *un4tooCouple
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"We all know people did terrible things in the name of region.But we also know of a lot of good things that happened in the name of religion also.
Like what? Comfort to the sick and dying.Christmas Easter. most people get married in a religious please.To name but a few.
I give comfort and care
Christmas & easter? Are you having a laugh....marriage? Ffs give my head peace
Not everyone can live without religion. Its a free choice and not all are bad But don't you see it makes people look big by running it down.
Thats a stupid comment So I'm stupid because i think you are trying to be the big man making fun out of religion.o.k that's your opinion.
No because there is a valid argument here and irrefutable fact's. Accusing people of "being the big man" means that you have ran out of points and resorted to name calling. You must have missed where I was called stupid by your friend.But hay we all see and hear what suits us don't we.Just saying like.
Again Sue misquoting seems to be a habit you use to deflect from the debate. Nobody called you personally stupid. You were made aware of the fact that they thought your comment was stupid in their opinion.
I'm not debating. I believe there is good men in the church as well as bad ones like in every other walk of life.Some get away with it other are caught.But good will always triumph over evil.Just saying like.
Life isn't a western! Certain institutions pretended to be good while avoiding accountability for their evil actions.
You are repeatedly just saying that. How can I make this clear enough for you to understand I believe in the Catholic Church.I also know people in the church did terrible things.But I also believe a lot of good men did a lot of good things in the Catholic Church.Now what's so hard in that to understand.My beliefs are not up for debating."
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"We all know people did terrible things in the name of region.But we also know of a lot of good things that happened in the name of religion also.
Like what? Comfort to the sick and dying.Christmas Easter. most people get married in a religious please.To name but a few.
I give comfort and care
Christmas & easter? Are you having a laugh....marriage? Ffs give my head peace
Not everyone can live without religion. Its a free choice and not all are bad But don't you see it makes people look big by running it down.
Thats a stupid comment So I'm stupid because i think you are trying to be the big man making fun out of religion.o.k that's your opinion.
No because there is a valid argument here and irrefutable fact's. Accusing people of "being the big man" means that you have ran out of points and resorted to name calling. You must have missed where I was called stupid by your friend.But hay we all see and hear what suits us don't we.Just saying like.
Again Sue misquoting seems to be a habit you use to deflect from the debate. Nobody called you personally stupid. You were made aware of the fact that they thought your comment was stupid in their opinion.
I'm not debating. I believe there is good men in the church as well as bad ones like in every other walk of life.Some get away with it other are caught.But good will always triumph over evil.Just saying like.
Life isn't a western! Certain institutions pretended to be good while avoiding accountability for their evil actions.
You are repeatedly just saying that. How can I make this clear enough for you to understand I believe in the Catholic Church.I also know people in the church did terrible things.But I also believe a lot of good men did a lot of good things in the Catholic Church.Now what's so hard in that to understand.My beliefs are not up for debating.
*selective beliefs"
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By *adame BWoman
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"I agree with second poster. At least these were consenting adults
IMO there shouldn't even be churches now to fuck in. They should have been all sold to cover the money they still owe the their victims that they haven't paid. 140 million still owed Sure we all know about the bad people in the church. But like I said not everyone was bad or is bad.So why paint all with the same brush.
Because they are all part of an organisation that willfully covered it up, allowed it to continue and then obstructed justice when being held accountable. The Catholic church is an absolute disgrace to religion in how it has behaved. People have the right to their beliefs as do people have the right to their opinions. Just like you are part of something on Fab. So if some people misbehavie on here are you also to be held accountable for their actions.
Fab is a group not an organisation. I didn't sign an oath, I paid for membership! I can't believe how you think that even remotely applies. My point their is bad apples in every barrel but their is also lots of good apples in every barrel same with the church good and bad but unfortunately the good get throwing in with the bad. just my opinion like.
People can be good decent people but if they continue to support an institution that has repeatedly,beyond any doubt, not only commited crimes against their most vulnerable but continuously sabotaged any form of redress or accountability, then no they are no longer a decent human being with a good conscience in my opinion Well if we all started giving up things we believe in because of others behavior. What are we left with. (nothing)
I think you have missed the point I was making. I was counteracting your point that some priests are good and not all are paedophiles. I merely pointed out that their silence and continued support is support and that takes away from there overall goodness as a human being. But surely not all of them knew what was going on.So their silence is understandable.
They know now! If all these "good" people spoke up together they might have made a difference but we will never know because they didn't. Are you a good person if you stay silent when your lively hood and vocation are at risk even if you don't agree with how appalling innocent children were treated.
I have watched this thread and see both sides of the argument. I have read about and watched on TV the deplorable things that some Priests did and yes the Catholic Religion should have dealt with it when it was reported to them. There is no doubt about that at all. No excuses acceptable ever!
BUT I could not reasonably state that the whole Catholic Church is rotten as these things happened in the past and Priests, Bishops and even the Pope hid it and left the children to deal with it and it did effect their lives and this cannot be fixed. New Priests etc that entered the Church to serve their faith cannot be blamed.
I do think that there are genuine Priests who believe in their faith and want to help people serve God.
I am not a Church goer but each to their own. I am by no means making light of what happened but not every Priest is paedophile.
Its a bit like blaming the families of the Gestapo and every German soldier for every cruelty that happened in the war. A lot had no idea what was really happening.
No offence meant by that comment if you are German.
People need to stop talking about the Catholic church as if its the past.
Its the present, still being covered up still won't answer to anyone still fighting redress schemes. All in the present day
Knowing what the Gestapo did and still signing up then ahhh yes I say that person is condoning previous behaviour through continued support!
And yes it is still current to a lesser degree but not resolved by any means.
Firstly the Gestapo didnt have a choice what they did. Most enjoyed the power but others did have a conscience but valued not being shot or their family killed more.
How can it be resolved then?
I never said every priest is a paedophile! I said there silence and support condoned the behaviour of those that were protected by an institution that was more concerned about it's hierarchy and power than it's people.
As far as I am concerned there is no coming back from this as the cover up was a double abuse. I do not need a moral compass from that kind of institution. They are mortal human beings. People can believe in whatever they want to, they don't need a building to do so.
Spot on
I agree that everyone is entitled to their own beliefs but believe it or not some do need buildings, services etc to feel they are proper Catholics.
Probably the older generation but it is fact that the Catholic churches are still full on a sunday.
Especially in the country.
Not everyone can decompartmentalise their beliefs and they go part and parcel with church and mass.
A lot of women still get married in churches as it is their dream.
The fact is the tradegys happened...move on.
There is good and bad in everything"
Move on! How very Christian of you.
A lot of so called dreams are hammered home belief systems handed down and being reared in an environment or society that tells you this is how it is done. I am saying that the church at it's very core is proven to be out dated and corrupt. The topic of abuse was raised and the cover up went all the way to the top. Not once or twice but repeatedly.
Being a non Catholic moral person I think it's disgusting that you can sweep it aside with the term move on. Oh let's forget about that nastiness and all play nicely. Speak to a victim, I am sure there is one nearby! People can't just move on. I have worked with a friend in documenting traceability of Magdalen laundry babies and women's identity. I sat on 1 survivor meeting to take notes but only 1 because I couldn't do it again it was so heart breaking. Do that and say move on when the very people standing in your way are the ones responsible. |
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By *un4tooCouple
over a year ago
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"We all know people did terrible things in the name of region.But we also know of a lot of good things that happened in the name of religion also.
Like what? Comfort to the sick and dying.Christmas Easter. most people get married in a religious please.To name but a few.
I give comfort and care
Christmas & easter? Are you having a laugh....marriage? Ffs give my head peace
Not everyone can live without religion. Its a free choice and not all are bad But don't you see it makes people look big by running it down.
Thats a stupid comment So I'm stupid because i think you are trying to be the big man making fun out of religion.o.k that's your opinion.
No because there is a valid argument here and irrefutable fact's. Accusing people of "being the big man" means that you have ran out of points and resorted to name calling. You must have missed where I was called stupid by your friend.But hay we all see and hear what suits us don't we.Just saying like.
Again Sue misquoting seems to be a habit you use to deflect from the debate. Nobody called you personally stupid. You were made aware of the fact that they thought your comment was stupid in their opinion.
I'm not debating. I believe there is good men in the church as well as bad ones like in every other walk of life.Some get away with it other are caught.But good will always triumph over evil.Just saying like.
Life isn't a western! Certain institutions pretended to be good while avoiding accountability for their evil actions.
You are repeatedly just saying that. How can I make this clear enough for you to understand I believe in the Catholic Church.I also know people in the church did terrible things.But I also believe a lot of good men did a lot of good things in the Catholic Church.Now what's so hard in that to understand.My beliefs are not up for debating.
*selective beliefs My beliefs which as a citizen of this country I have a right to.Right or wrong."
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"We all know people did terrible things in the name of region.But we also know of a lot of good things that happened in the name of religion also.
Like what? Comfort to the sick and dying.Christmas Easter. most people get married in a religious please.To name but a few.
I give comfort and care
Christmas & easter? Are you having a laugh....marriage? Ffs give my head peace
Not everyone can live without religion. Its a free choice and not all are bad But don't you see it makes people look big by running it down.
Thats a stupid comment So I'm stupid because i think you are trying to be the big man making fun out of religion.o.k that's your opinion.
No because there is a valid argument here and irrefutable fact's. Accusing people of "being the big man" means that you have ran out of points and resorted to name calling. You must have missed where I was called stupid by your friend.But hay we all see and hear what suits us don't we.Just saying like.
Again Sue misquoting seems to be a habit you use to deflect from the debate. Nobody called you personally stupid. You were made aware of the fact that they thought your comment was stupid in their opinion.
I'm not debating. I believe there is good men in the church as well as bad ones like in every other walk of life.Some get away with it other are caught.But good will always triumph over evil.Just saying like.
Life isn't a western! Certain institutions pretended to be good while avoiding accountability for their evil actions.
You are repeatedly just saying that. How can I make this clear enough for you to understand I believe in the Catholic Church.I also know people in the church did terrible things.But I also believe a lot of good men did a lot of good things in the Catholic Church.Now what's so hard in that to understand.My beliefs are not up for debating.
*selective beliefs My beliefs which as a citizen of this country I have a right to.Right or wrong.
That's laughable. "
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By *un4tooCouple
over a year ago
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"We all know people did terrible things in the name of region.But we also know of a lot of good things that happened in the name of religion also.
Like what? Comfort to the sick and dying.Christmas Easter. most people get married in a religious please.To name but a few.
I give comfort and care
Christmas & easter? Are you having a laugh....marriage? Ffs give my head peace
Not everyone can live without religion. Its a free choice and not all are bad But don't you see it makes people look big by running it down.
Thats a stupid comment So I'm stupid because i think you are trying to be the big man making fun out of religion.o.k that's your opinion.
No because there is a valid argument here and irrefutable fact's. Accusing people of "being the big man" means that you have ran out of points and resorted to name calling. You must have missed where I was called stupid by your friend.But hay we all see and hear what suits us don't we.Just saying like.
Again Sue misquoting seems to be a habit you use to deflect from the debate. Nobody called you personally stupid. You were made aware of the fact that they thought your comment was stupid in their opinion.
I'm not debating. I believe there is good men in the church as well as bad ones like in every other walk of life.Some get away with it other are caught.But good will always triumph over evil.Just saying like.
Life isn't a western! Certain institutions pretended to be good while avoiding accountability for their evil actions.
You are repeatedly just saying that. How can I make this clear enough for you to understand I believe in the Catholic Church.I also know people in the church did terrible things.But I also believe a lot of good men did a lot of good things in the Catholic Church.Now what's so hard in that to understand.My beliefs are not up for debating.
*selective beliefs My beliefs which as a citizen of this country I have a right to.Right or wrong.
That's laughable. Stupid can't read and laughed at what next. Next thing you will be calling me a Nun."
Ill see what your reply to the other very valid comment is first.
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By *adame BWoman
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"We all know people did terrible things in the name of region.But we also know of a lot of good things that happened in the name of religion also.
Like what? Comfort to the sick and dying.Christmas Easter. most people get married in a religious please.To name but a few.
I give comfort and care
Christmas & easter? Are you having a laugh....marriage? Ffs give my head peace
Not everyone can live without religion. Its a free choice and not all are bad But don't you see it makes people look big by running it down.
Thats a stupid comment So I'm stupid because i think you are trying to be the big man making fun out of religion.o.k that's your opinion.
No because there is a valid argument here and irrefutable fact's. Accusing people of "being the big man" means that you have ran out of points and resorted to name calling. You must have missed where I was called stupid by your friend.But hay we all see and hear what suits us don't we.Just saying like.
Again Sue misquoting seems to be a habit you use to deflect from the debate. Nobody called you personally stupid. You were made aware of the fact that they thought your comment was stupid in their opinion.
I'm not debating. I believe there is good men in the church as well as bad ones like in every other walk of life.Some get away with it other are caught.But good will always triumph over evil.Just saying like.
Life isn't a western! Certain institutions pretended to be good while avoiding accountability for their evil actions.
You are repeatedly just saying that. How can I make this clear enough for you to understand I believe in the Catholic Church.I also know people in the church did terrible things.But I also believe a lot of good men did a lot of good things in the Catholic Church.Now what's so hard in that to understand.My beliefs are not up for debating."
Your beliefs are your business.
This is a discussion/debate about sex acts within a church which opens up the topic of abuse within the church. That is factual. Your beliefs are personal. My opinion is personal as is yours but the fact remains that the church has and continues to abuse it position of trust.
A scandal will always make the news and rightly so, the clue is in the title. Not everything can be swept under the rug, swept aside or just moved on from.
Accountability and recovery must happen first.
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"I agree with second poster. At least these were consenting adults
IMO there shouldn't even be churches now to fuck in. They should have been all sold to cover the money they still owe the their victims that they haven't paid. 140 million still owed Sure we all know about the bad people in the church. But like I said not everyone was bad or is bad.So why paint all with the same brush.
Because they are all part of an organisation that willfully covered it up, allowed it to continue and then obstructed justice when being held accountable. The Catholic church is an absolute disgrace to religion in how it has behaved. People have the right to their beliefs as do people have the right to their opinions. Just like you are part of something on Fab. So if some people misbehavie on here are you also to be held accountable for their actions.
Fab is a group not an organisation. I didn't sign an oath, I paid for membership! I can't believe how you think that even remotely applies. My point their is bad apples in every barrel but their is also lots of good apples in every barrel same with the church good and bad but unfortunately the good get throwing in with the bad. just my opinion like.
People can be good decent people but if they continue to support an institution that has repeatedly,beyond any doubt, not only commited crimes against their most vulnerable but continuously sabotaged any form of redress or accountability, then no they are no longer a decent human being with a good conscience in my opinion Well if we all started giving up things we believe in because of others behavior. What are we left with. (nothing)
I think you have missed the point I was making. I was counteracting your point that some priests are good and not all are paedophiles. I merely pointed out that their silence and continued support is support and that takes away from there overall goodness as a human being. But surely not all of them knew what was going on.So their silence is understandable.
They know now! If all these "good" people spoke up together they might have made a difference but we will never know because they didn't. Are you a good person if you stay silent when your lively hood and vocation are at risk even if you don't agree with how appalling innocent children were treated.
I have watched this thread and see both sides of the argument. I have read about and watched on TV the deplorable things that some Priests did and yes the Catholic Religion should have dealt with it when it was reported to them. There is no doubt about that at all. No excuses acceptable ever!
BUT I could not reasonably state that the whole Catholic Church is rotten as these things happened in the past and Priests, Bishops and even the Pope hid it and left the children to deal with it and it did effect their lives and this cannot be fixed. New Priests etc that entered the Church to serve their faith cannot be blamed.
I do think that there are genuine Priests who believe in their faith and want to help people serve God.
I am not a Church goer but each to their own. I am by no means making light of what happened but not every Priest is paedophile.
Its a bit like blaming the families of the Gestapo and every German soldier for every cruelty that happened in the war. A lot had no idea what was really happening.
No offence meant by that comment if you are German.
People need to stop talking about the Catholic church as if its the past.
Its the present, still being covered up still won't answer to anyone still fighting redress schemes. All in the present day
Knowing what the Gestapo did and still signing up then ahhh yes I say that person is condoning previous behaviour through continued support!
And yes it is still current to a lesser degree but not resolved by any means.
Firstly the Gestapo didnt have a choice what they did. Most enjoyed the power but others did have a conscience but valued not being shot or their family killed more.
How can it be resolved then?
I never said every priest is a paedophile! I said there silence and support condoned the behaviour of those that were protected by an institution that was more concerned about it's hierarchy and power than it's people.
As far as I am concerned there is no coming back from this as the cover up was a double abuse. I do not need a moral compass from that kind of institution. They are mortal human beings. People can believe in whatever they want to, they don't need a building to do so.
Spot on
I agree that everyone is entitled to their own beliefs but believe it or not some do need buildings, services etc to feel they are proper Catholics.
Probably the older generation but it is fact that the Catholic churches are still full on a sunday.
Especially in the country.
Not everyone can decompartmentalise their beliefs and they go part and parcel with church and mass.
A lot of women still get married in churches as it is their dream.
The fact is the tradegys happened...move on.
There is good and bad in everything
Do u think its stopped happening? "
"There is good and bad in all walks of life i was an alter boy under 3 different priests all gentlemen who had a good influence on me growing up also like in a lot of small parishes local priest looked after gaa youth football teams brought us everywhere in his car to match and he was a total gentleman "
And the vast majority are. Its the cover up and denial and hush hush culture sours it for the organisation as a whole.
I think there are bad people in all walks of life. Family life, work life, religions, politics etc.
I am not arguing that and know bad things happen. But dwelling on the bad just sours things.
An example above shows there are good Priests who want to help young people and not everyone of them is a paedophile.
Is it not a fact that it is best to learn from things that happen. Learn from them and in these cases yes lives were ruined but that is now out in the open. Children are mote aware now and parents should ensure they are to stop it happening.
We need to learn from it and if you have set opinions about it well thats ok but so have others and if they are not the same as yours so what!
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and beliefs.
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"We all know people did terrible things in the name of region.But we also know of a lot of good things that happened in the name of religion also.
Like what? Comfort to the sick and dying.Christmas Easter. most people get married in a religious please.To name but a few.
I give comfort and care
Christmas & easter? Are you having a laugh....marriage? Ffs give my head peace
Not everyone can live without religion. Its a free choice and not all are bad But don't you see it makes people look big by running it down.
Thats a stupid comment So I'm stupid because i think you are trying to be the big man making fun out of religion.o.k that's your opinion.
No because there is a valid argument here and irrefutable fact's. Accusing people of "being the big man" means that you have ran out of points and resorted to name calling. You must have missed where I was called stupid by your friend.But hay we all see and hear what suits us don't we.Just saying like.
Again Sue misquoting seems to be a habit you use to deflect from the debate. Nobody called you personally stupid. You were made aware of the fact that they thought your comment was stupid in their opinion.
I'm not debating. I believe there is good men in the church as well as bad ones like in every other walk of life.Some get away with it other are caught.But good will always triumph over evil.Just saying like.
Life isn't a western! Certain institutions pretended to be good while avoiding accountability for their evil actions.
You are repeatedly just saying that. How can I make this clear enough for you to understand I believe in the Catholic Church.I also know people in the church did terrible things.But I also believe a lot of good men did a lot of good things in the Catholic Church.Now what's so hard in that to understand.My beliefs are not up for debating.
*selective beliefs My beliefs which as a citizen of this country I have a right to.Right or wrong.
That's laughable. Stupid can't read and laughed at what next. Next thing you will be calling me a Nun.
Ill see what your reply to the other very valid comment is first.
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By *adame BWoman
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"I agree with second poster. At least these were consenting adults
IMO there shouldn't even be churches now to fuck in. They should have been all sold to cover the money they still owe the their victims that they haven't paid. 140 million still owed Sure we all know about the bad people in the church. But like I said not everyone was bad or is bad.So why paint all with the same brush.
Because they are all part of an organisation that willfully covered it up, allowed it to continue and then obstructed justice when being held accountable. The Catholic church is an absolute disgrace to religion in how it has behaved. People have the right to their beliefs as do people have the right to their opinions. Just like you are part of something on Fab. So if some people misbehavie on here are you also to be held accountable for their actions.
Fab is a group not an organisation. I didn't sign an oath, I paid for membership! I can't believe how you think that even remotely applies. My point their is bad apples in every barrel but their is also lots of good apples in every barrel same with the church good and bad but unfortunately the good get throwing in with the bad. just my opinion like.
People can be good decent people but if they continue to support an institution that has repeatedly,beyond any doubt, not only commited crimes against their most vulnerable but continuously sabotaged any form of redress or accountability, then no they are no longer a decent human being with a good conscience in my opinion Well if we all started giving up things we believe in because of others behavior. What are we left with. (nothing)
I think you have missed the point I was making. I was counteracting your point that some priests are good and not all are paedophiles. I merely pointed out that their silence and continued support is support and that takes away from there overall goodness as a human being. But surely not all of them knew what was going on.So their silence is understandable.
They know now! If all these "good" people spoke up together they might have made a difference but we will never know because they didn't. Are you a good person if you stay silent when your lively hood and vocation are at risk even if you don't agree with how appalling innocent children were treated.
I have watched this thread and see both sides of the argument. I have read about and watched on TV the deplorable things that some Priests did and yes the Catholic Religion should have dealt with it when it was reported to them. There is no doubt about that at all. No excuses acceptable ever!
BUT I could not reasonably state that the whole Catholic Church is rotten as these things happened in the past and Priests, Bishops and even the Pope hid it and left the children to deal with it and it did effect their lives and this cannot be fixed. New Priests etc that entered the Church to serve their faith cannot be blamed.
I do think that there are genuine Priests who believe in their faith and want to help people serve God.
I am not a Church goer but each to their own. I am by no means making light of what happened but not every Priest is paedophile.
Its a bit like blaming the families of the Gestapo and every German soldier for every cruelty that happened in the war. A lot had no idea what was really happening.
No offence meant by that comment if you are German.
People need to stop talking about the Catholic church as if its the past.
Its the present, still being covered up still won't answer to anyone still fighting redress schemes. All in the present day
Knowing what the Gestapo did and still signing up then ahhh yes I say that person is condoning previous behaviour through continued support!
And yes it is still current to a lesser degree but not resolved by any means.
Firstly the Gestapo didnt have a choice what they did. Most enjoyed the power but others did have a conscience but valued not being shot or their family killed more.
How can it be resolved then?
I never said every priest is a paedophile! I said there silence and support condoned the behaviour of those that were protected by an institution that was more concerned about it's hierarchy and power than it's people.
As far as I am concerned there is no coming back from this as the cover up was a double abuse. I do not need a moral compass from that kind of institution. They are mortal human beings. People can believe in whatever they want to, they don't need a building to do so.
Spot on
I agree that everyone is entitled to their own beliefs but believe it or not some do need buildings, services etc to feel they are proper Catholics.
Probably the older generation but it is fact that the Catholic churches are still full on a sunday.
Especially in the country.
Not everyone can decompartmentalise their beliefs and they go part and parcel with church and mass.
A lot of women still get married in churches as it is their dream.
The fact is the tradegys happened...move on.
There is good and bad in everything
Move on! How very Christian of you.
A lot of so called dreams are hammered home belief systems handed down and being reared in an environment or society that tells you this is how it is done. I am saying that the church at it's very core is proven to be out dated and corrupt. The topic of abuse was raised and the cover up went all the way to the top. Not once or twice but repeatedly.
Being a non Catholic moral person I think it's disgusting that you can sweep it aside with the term move on. Oh let's forget about that nastiness and all play nicely. Speak to a victim, I am sure there is one nearby! People can't just move on. I have worked with a friend in documenting traceability of Magdalen laundry babies and women's identity. I sat on 1 survivor meeting to take notes but only 1 because I couldn't do it again it was so heart breaking. Do that and say move on when the very people standing in your way are the ones responsible. "
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"I agree with second poster. At least these were consenting adults
IMO there shouldn't even be churches now to fuck in. They should have been all sold to cover the money they still owe the their victims that they haven't paid. 140 million still owed Sure we all know about the bad people in the church. But like I said not everyone was bad or is bad.So why paint all with the same brush.
Because they are all part of an organisation that willfully covered it up, allowed it to continue and then obstructed justice when being held accountable. The Catholic church is an absolute disgrace to religion in how it has behaved. People have the right to their beliefs as do people have the right to their opinions. Just like you are part of something on Fab. So if some people misbehavie on here are you also to be held accountable for their actions.
Fab is a group not an organisation. I didn't sign an oath, I paid for membership! I can't believe how you think that even remotely applies. My point their is bad apples in every barrel but their is also lots of good apples in every barrel same with the church good and bad but unfortunately the good get throwing in with the bad. just my opinion like.
People can be good decent people but if they continue to support an institution that has repeatedly,beyond any doubt, not only commited crimes against their most vulnerable but continuously sabotaged any form of redress or accountability, then no they are no longer a decent human being with a good conscience in my opinion Well if we all started giving up things we believe in because of others behavior. What are we left with. (nothing)
I think you have missed the point I was making. I was counteracting your point that some priests are good and not all are paedophiles. I merely pointed out that their silence and continued support is support and that takes away from there overall goodness as a human being. But surely not all of them knew what was going on.So their silence is understandable.
They know now! If all these "good" people spoke up together they might have made a difference but we will never know because they didn't. Are you a good person if you stay silent when your lively hood and vocation are at risk even if you don't agree with how appalling innocent children were treated.
I have watched this thread and see both sides of the argument. I have read about and watched on TV the deplorable things that some Priests did and yes the Catholic Religion should have dealt with it when it was reported to them. There is no doubt about that at all. No excuses acceptable ever!
BUT I could not reasonably state that the whole Catholic Church is rotten as these things happened in the past and Priests, Bishops and even the Pope hid it and left the children to deal with it and it did effect their lives and this cannot be fixed. New Priests etc that entered the Church to serve their faith cannot be blamed.
I do think that there are genuine Priests who believe in their faith and want to help people serve God.
I am not a Church goer but each to their own. I am by no means making light of what happened but not every Priest is paedophile.
Its a bit like blaming the families of the Gestapo and every German soldier for every cruelty that happened in the war. A lot had no idea what was really happening.
No offence meant by that comment if you are German.
People need to stop talking about the Catholic church as if its the past.
Its the present, still being covered up still won't answer to anyone still fighting redress schemes. All in the present day
Knowing what the Gestapo did and still signing up then ahhh yes I say that person is condoning previous behaviour through continued support!
And yes it is still current to a lesser degree but not resolved by any means.
Firstly the Gestapo didnt have a choice what they did. Most enjoyed the power but others did have a conscience but valued not being shot or their family killed more.
How can it be resolved then?
I never said every priest is a paedophile! I said there silence and support condoned the behaviour of those that were protected by an institution that was more concerned about it's hierarchy and power than it's people.
As far as I am concerned there is no coming back from this as the cover up was a double abuse. I do not need a moral compass from that kind of institution. They are mortal human beings. People can believe in whatever they want to, they don't need a building to do so.
Spot on
I agree that everyone is entitled to their own beliefs but believe it or not some do need buildings, services etc to feel they are proper Catholics.
Probably the older generation but it is fact that the Catholic churches are still full on a sunday.
Especially in the country.
Not everyone can decompartmentalise their beliefs and they go part and parcel with church and mass.
A lot of women still get married in churches as it is their dream.
The fact is the tradegys happened...move on.
There is good and bad in everything
Move on! How very Christian of you.
A lot of so called dreams are hammered home belief systems handed down and being reared in an environment or society that tells you this is how it is done. I am saying that the church at it's very core is proven to be out dated and corrupt. The topic of abuse was raised and the cover up went all the way to the top. Not once or twice but repeatedly.
Being a non Catholic moral person I think it's disgusting that you can sweep it aside with the term move on. Oh let's forget about that nastiness and all play nicely. Speak to a victim, I am sure there is one nearby! People can't just move on. I have worked with a friend in documenting traceability of Magdalen laundry babies and women's identity. I sat on 1 survivor meeting to take notes but only 1 because I couldn't do it again it was so heart breaking. Do that and say move on when the very people standing in your way are the ones responsible.
*I sat in on a meeting not on a survivor."
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"I agree with second poster. At least these were consenting adults
IMO there shouldn't even be churches now to fuck in. They should have been all sold to cover the money they still owe the their victims that they haven't paid. 140 million still owed Sure we all know about the bad people in the church. But like I said not everyone was bad or is bad.So why paint all with the same brush.
Because they are all part of an organisation that willfully covered it up, allowed it to continue and then obstructed justice when being held accountable. The Catholic church is an absolute disgrace to religion in how it has behaved. People have the right to their beliefs as do people have the right to their opinions. Just like you are part of something on Fab. So if some people misbehavie on here are you also to be held accountable for their actions.
Fab is a group not an organisation. I didn't sign an oath, I paid for membership! I can't believe how you think that even remotely applies. My point their is bad apples in every barrel but their is also lots of good apples in every barrel same with the church good and bad but unfortunately the good get throwing in with the bad. just my opinion like.
People can be good decent people but if they continue to support an institution that has repeatedly,beyond any doubt, not only commited crimes against their most vulnerable but continuously sabotaged any form of redress or accountability, then no they are no longer a decent human being with a good conscience in my opinion Well if we all started giving up things we believe in because of others behavior. What are we left with. (nothing)
I think you have missed the point I was making. I was counteracting your point that some priests are good and not all are paedophiles. I merely pointed out that their silence and continued support is support and that takes away from there overall goodness as a human being. But surely not all of them knew what was going on.So their silence is understandable.
They know now! If all these "good" people spoke up together they might have made a difference but we will never know because they didn't. Are you a good person if you stay silent when your lively hood and vocation are at risk even if you don't agree with how appalling innocent children were treated.
I have watched this thread and see both sides of the argument. I have read about and watched on TV the deplorable things that some Priests did and yes the Catholic Religion should have dealt with it when it was reported to them. There is no doubt about that at all. No excuses acceptable ever!
BUT I could not reasonably state that the whole Catholic Church is rotten as these things happened in the past and Priests, Bishops and even the Pope hid it and left the children to deal with it and it did effect their lives and this cannot be fixed. New Priests etc that entered the Church to serve their faith cannot be blamed.
I do think that there are genuine Priests who believe in their faith and want to help people serve God.
I am not a Church goer but each to their own. I am by no means making light of what happened but not every Priest is paedophile.
Its a bit like blaming the families of the Gestapo and every German soldier for every cruelty that happened in the war. A lot had no idea what was really happening.
No offence meant by that comment if you are German.
People need to stop talking about the Catholic church as if its the past.
Its the present, still being covered up still won't answer to anyone still fighting redress schemes. All in the present day
Knowing what the Gestapo did and still signing up then ahhh yes I say that person is condoning previous behaviour through continued support!
And yes it is still current to a lesser degree but not resolved by any means.
Firstly the Gestapo didnt have a choice what they did. Most enjoyed the power but others did have a conscience but valued not being shot or their family killed more.
How can it be resolved then?
I never said every priest is a paedophile! I said there silence and support condoned the behaviour of those that were protected by an institution that was more concerned about it's hierarchy and power than it's people.
As far as I am concerned there is no coming back from this as the cover up was a double abuse. I do not need a moral compass from that kind of institution. They are mortal human beings. People can believe in whatever they want to, they don't need a building to do so.
Spot on
I agree that everyone is entitled to their own beliefs but believe it or not some do need buildings, services etc to feel they are proper Catholics.
Probably the older generation but it is fact that the Catholic churches are still full on a sunday.
Especially in the country.
Not everyone can decompartmentalise their beliefs and they go part and parcel with church and mass.
A lot of women still get married in churches as it is their dream.
The fact is the tradegys happened...move on.
There is good and bad in everything
Do u think its stopped happening?
"There is good and bad in all walks of life i was an alter boy under 3 different priests all gentlemen who had a good influence on me growing up also like in a lot of small parishes local priest looked after gaa youth football teams brought us everywhere in his car to match and he was a total gentleman "
And the vast majority are. Its the cover up and denial and hush hush culture sours it for the organisation as a whole.
I think there are bad people in all walks of life. Family life, work life, religions, politics etc.
I am not arguing that and know bad things happen. But dwelling on the bad just sours things.
An example above shows there are good Priests who want to help young people and not everyone of them is a paedophile.
Is it not a fact that it is best to learn from things that happen. Learn from them and in these cases yes lives were ruined but that is now out in the open. Children are mote aware now and parents should ensure they are to stop it happening.
We need to learn from it and if you have set opinions about it well thats ok but so have others and if they are not the same as yours so what!
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and beliefs.
"
1. Again no where was it said that all priests are paedophiles
2. The abuse didn't happen because children and parents weren't aware that they needed to protect themselves.
3. How does society learn from an unresolved unaccountable situation.
4. Yes in all walks of life you can encounter this behaviour but they are usually held accountable unless they can hide behind a corrupt organisation not just religion based.
5. Hush hush society is how this is repeatedly happening.
6. Abuse is still widespread in society despite more education and vigilance.
7. Abuse victims are more commonly preyed upon from positions of trust than opportunity. |
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"I agree with second poster. At least these were consenting adults
IMO there shouldn't even be churches now to fuck in. They should have been all sold to cover the money they still owe the their victims that they haven't paid. 140 million still owed Sure we all know about the bad people in the church. But like I said not everyone was bad or is bad.So why paint all with the same brush.
Because they are all part of an organisation that willfully covered it up, allowed it to continue and then obstructed justice when being held accountable. The Catholic church is an absolute disgrace to religion in how it has behaved. People have the right to their beliefs as do people have the right to their opinions. Just like you are part of something on Fab. So if some people misbehavie on here are you also to be held accountable for their actions.
Fab is a group not an organisation. I didn't sign an oath, I paid for membership! I can't believe how you think that even remotely applies. My point their is bad apples in every barrel but their is also lots of good apples in every barrel same with the church good and bad but unfortunately the good get throwing in with the bad. just my opinion like.
People can be good decent people but if they continue to support an institution that has repeatedly,beyond any doubt, not only commited crimes against their most vulnerable but continuously sabotaged any form of redress or accountability, then no they are no longer a decent human being with a good conscience in my opinion Well if we all started giving up things we believe in because of others behavior. What are we left with. (nothing)
I think you have missed the point I was making. I was counteracting your point that some priests are good and not all are paedophiles. I merely pointed out that their silence and continued support is support and that takes away from there overall goodness as a human being. But surely not all of them knew what was going on.So their silence is understandable.
They know now! If all these "good" people spoke up together they might have made a difference but we will never know because they didn't. Are you a good person if you stay silent when your lively hood and vocation are at risk even if you don't agree with how appalling innocent children were treated.
I have watched this thread and see both sides of the argument. I have read about and watched on TV the deplorable things that some Priests did and yes the Catholic Religion should have dealt with it when it was reported to them. There is no doubt about that at all. No excuses acceptable ever!
BUT I could not reasonably state that the whole Catholic Church is rotten as these things happened in the past and Priests, Bishops and even the Pope hid it and left the children to deal with it and it did effect their lives and this cannot be fixed. New Priests etc that entered the Church to serve their faith cannot be blamed.
I do think that there are genuine Priests who believe in their faith and want to help people serve God.
I am not a Church goer but each to their own. I am by no means making light of what happened but not every Priest is paedophile.
Its a bit like blaming the families of the Gestapo and every German soldier for every cruelty that happened in the war. A lot had no idea what was really happening.
No offence meant by that comment if you are German.
People need to stop talking about the Catholic church as if its the past.
Its the present, still being covered up still won't answer to anyone still fighting redress schemes. All in the present day
Knowing what the Gestapo did and still signing up then ahhh yes I say that person is condoning previous behaviour through continued support!
And yes it is still current to a lesser degree but not resolved by any means.
Firstly the Gestapo didnt have a choice what they did. Most enjoyed the power but others did have a conscience but valued not being shot or their family killed more.
How can it be resolved then?
I never said every priest is a paedophile! I said there silence and support condoned the behaviour of those that were protected by an institution that was more concerned about it's hierarchy and power than it's people.
As far as I am concerned there is no coming back from this as the cover up was a double abuse. I do not need a moral compass from that kind of institution. They are mortal human beings. People can believe in whatever they want to, they don't need a building to do so.
Spot on
I agree that everyone is entitled to their own beliefs but believe it or not some do need buildings, services etc to feel they are proper Catholics.
Probably the older generation but it is fact that the Catholic churches are still full on a sunday.
Especially in the country.
Not everyone can decompartmentalise their beliefs and they go part and parcel with church and mass.
A lot of women still get married in churches as it is their dream.
The fact is the tradegys happened...move on.
There is good and bad in everything
Move on! How very Christian of you.
A lot of so called dreams are hammered home belief systems handed down and being reared in an environment or society that tells you this is how it is done. I am saying that the church at it's very core is proven to be out dated and corrupt. The topic of abuse was raised and the cover up went all the way to the top. Not once or twice but repeatedly.
Being a non Catholic moral person I think it's disgusting that you can sweep it aside with the term move on. Oh let's forget about that nastiness and all play nicely. Speak to a victim, I am sure there is one nearby! People can't just move on. I have worked with a friend in documenting traceability of Magdalen laundry babies and women's identity. I sat on 1 survivor meeting to take notes but only 1 because I couldn't do it again it was so heart breaking. Do that and say move on when the very people standing in your way are the ones responsible.
*I sat in on a meeting not on a survivor."
I meant move on not in a 'its not important' way but in a 'lets get something positive' out of this.
I am a Catholic but not a practicising one.
Fr Finnegan for example was bad. The Catholic church covered it up wrongly
I see that the abused were given a payout. It will never be enough to mend the damage that has been done but it is a start.
Children are more aware as are parents what to watch out for and to listen to their children when they says a priest or anyone for that matter touches them inappropriately.
I am a glass half full sorta person. To me something positive comes out of something negative.
Call me unchristian, call me stupid or vall me naive but that the way I think.
How christian I am is not for you to judge.
I listened to a friend tell me about how her son told here he was sodomised by his uncle.
Repeatedly. It took the child ages to tell his Mum as she thought she was the bad person.
My friends dealt with it and is the first person to say that you need to move on and not let things like that eat up your life.
And yes her Religion helped her greatly.
But once again that is only my opinion.
No doubt others know better.
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By *adame BWoman
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"I agree with second poster. At least these were consenting adults
IMO there shouldn't even be churches now to fuck in. They should have been all sold to cover the money they still owe the their victims that they haven't paid. 140 million still owed Sure we all know about the bad people in the church. But like I said not everyone was bad or is bad.So why paint all with the same brush.
Because they are all part of an organisation that willfully covered it up, allowed it to continue and then obstructed justice when being held accountable. The Catholic church is an absolute disgrace to religion in how it has behaved. People have the right to their beliefs as do people have the right to their opinions. Just like you are part of something on Fab. So if some people misbehavie on here are you also to be held accountable for their actions.
Fab is a group not an organisation. I didn't sign an oath, I paid for membership! I can't believe how you think that even remotely applies. My point their is bad apples in every barrel but their is also lots of good apples in every barrel same with the church good and bad but unfortunately the good get throwing in with the bad. just my opinion like.
People can be good decent people but if they continue to support an institution that has repeatedly,beyond any doubt, not only commited crimes against their most vulnerable but continuously sabotaged any form of redress or accountability, then no they are no longer a decent human being with a good conscience in my opinion Well if we all started giving up things we believe in because of others behavior. What are we left with. (nothing)
I think you have missed the point I was making. I was counteracting your point that some priests are good and not all are paedophiles. I merely pointed out that their silence and continued support is support and that takes away from there overall goodness as a human being. But surely not all of them knew what was going on.So their silence is understandable.
They know now! If all these "good" people spoke up together they might have made a difference but we will never know because they didn't. Are you a good person if you stay silent when your lively hood and vocation are at risk even if you don't agree with how appalling innocent children were treated.
I have watched this thread and see both sides of the argument. I have read about and watched on TV the deplorable things that some Priests did and yes the Catholic Religion should have dealt with it when it was reported to them. There is no doubt about that at all. No excuses acceptable ever!
BUT I could not reasonably state that the whole Catholic Church is rotten as these things happened in the past and Priests, Bishops and even the Pope hid it and left the children to deal with it and it did effect their lives and this cannot be fixed. New Priests etc that entered the Church to serve their faith cannot be blamed.
I do think that there are genuine Priests who believe in their faith and want to help people serve God.
I am not a Church goer but each to their own. I am by no means making light of what happened but not every Priest is paedophile.
Its a bit like blaming the families of the Gestapo and every German soldier for every cruelty that happened in the war. A lot had no idea what was really happening.
No offence meant by that comment if you are German.
People need to stop talking about the Catholic church as if its the past.
Its the present, still being covered up still won't answer to anyone still fighting redress schemes. All in the present day
Knowing what the Gestapo did and still signing up then ahhh yes I say that person is condoning previous behaviour through continued support!
And yes it is still current to a lesser degree but not resolved by any means.
Firstly the Gestapo didnt have a choice what they did. Most enjoyed the power but others did have a conscience but valued not being shot or their family killed more.
How can it be resolved then?
I never said every priest is a paedophile! I said there silence and support condoned the behaviour of those that were protected by an institution that was more concerned about it's hierarchy and power than it's people.
As far as I am concerned there is no coming back from this as the cover up was a double abuse. I do not need a moral compass from that kind of institution. They are mortal human beings. People can believe in whatever they want to, they don't need a building to do so.
Spot on
I agree that everyone is entitled to their own beliefs but believe it or not some do need buildings, services etc to feel they are proper Catholics.
Probably the older generation but it is fact that the Catholic churches are still full on a sunday.
Especially in the country.
Not everyone can decompartmentalise their beliefs and they go part and parcel with church and mass.
A lot of women still get married in churches as it is their dream.
The fact is the tradegys happened...move on.
There is good and bad in everything
Move on! How very Christian of you.
A lot of so called dreams are hammered home belief systems handed down and being reared in an environment or society that tells you this is how it is done. I am saying that the church at it's very core is proven to be out dated and corrupt. The topic of abuse was raised and the cover up went all the way to the top. Not once or twice but repeatedly.
Being a non Catholic moral person I think it's disgusting that you can sweep it aside with the term move on. Oh let's forget about that nastiness and all play nicely. Speak to a victim, I am sure there is one nearby! People can't just move on. I have worked with a friend in documenting traceability of Magdalen laundry babies and women's identity. I sat on 1 survivor meeting to take notes but only 1 because I couldn't do it again it was so heart breaking. Do that and say move on when the very people standing in your way are the ones responsible.
*I sat in on a meeting not on a survivor.
I meant move on not in a 'its not important' way but in a 'lets get something positive' out of this.
I am a Catholic but not a practicising one.
Fr Finnegan for example was bad. The Catholic church covered it up wrongly
I see that the abused were given a payout. It will never be enough to mend the damage that has been done but it is a start.
Children are more aware as are parents what to watch out for and to listen to their children when they says a priest or anyone for that matter touches them inappropriately.
I am a glass half full sorta person. To me something positive comes out of something negative.
Call me unchristian, call me stupid or vall me naive but that the way I think.
How christian I am is not for you to judge.
I listened to a friend tell me about how her son told here he was sodomised by his uncle.
Repeatedly. It took the child ages to tell his Mum as she thought she was the bad person.
My friends dealt with it and is the first person to say that you need to move on and not let things like that eat up your life.
And yes her Religion helped her greatly.
But once again that is only my opinion.
No doubt others know better.
"
I am sorry to hear that, abuse is disgusting and sadly common. I was not judging you. I was taken aback by the comment with out the above explanation. I wish this discussion would bring about some good but I doubt it. I get frustrated at how we as a society tend to forget and move on with these kind of situations. Anything that makes us uncomfortable to discuss or threatens our belief system. As already stated it is a heated topic and I do feel this is more so because it's unresolved.
As stated above it won't be resolved today or here (oh the irony) I am out. I stand firm in my opinions and didn't mean anything personal towards anyone on this matter. I know people differ, it's what makes life more interesting but I am still of the view point that while there are good and bad priests and not all abused but by not speaking out they contributed to the problem.
I think if the decent members of the Catholic church (priests and nuns) had spoken up or out they might have saved a lot of turmoil and have regained people's trust |
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"There is good and bad in all walks of life i was an alter boy under 3 different priests all gentlemen who had a good influence on me growing up also like in a lot of small parishes local priest looked after gaa youth football teams brought us everywhere in his car to match and he was a total gentleman "
I also served as an alter boy, coming from The sticks we had no choice ! small town religion and the local garda Sergent ruled.
I serves under 4 priests.
1 was an alco who knocked down a pedestrian and didnt stop while pissed on a Saturday afternoon and nothing happened nada, zilch he drove away end of story!
Another was old school violent towards all the alter boys, but thats ok!
3rd guy was sound, he got involved in the school rugger team and ended up playing on the local team.
The 4th guy touched alter boys up plain and simple.
He was moved around umpteen times and ended up a parish priest in the next parish about 10 years later.
Priests rock
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"There is good and bad in all walks of life i was an alter boy under 3 different priests all gentlemen who had a good influence on me growing up also like in a lot of small parishes local priest looked after gaa youth football teams brought us everywhere in his car to match and he was a total gentleman
I also served as an alter boy, coming from The sticks we had no choice ! small town religion and the local garda Sergent ruled.
I serves under 4 priests.
1 was an alco who knocked down a pedestrian and didnt stop while pissed on a Saturday afternoon and nothing happened nada, zilch he drove away end of story!
Another was old school violent towards all the alter boys, but thats ok!
3rd guy was sound, he got involved in the school rugger team and ended up playing on the local team.
The 4th guy touched alter boys up plain and simple.
He was moved around umpteen times and ended up a parish priest in the next parish about 10 years later.
Priests rock
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By *oser OP Man
over a year ago
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"There is good and bad in all walks of life i was an alter boy under 3 different priests all gentlemen who had a good influence on me growing up also like in a lot of small parishes local priest looked after gaa youth football teams brought us everywhere in his car to match and he was a total gentleman
I also served as an alter boy, coming from The sticks we had no choice ! small town religion and the local garda Sergent ruled.
I serves under 4 priests.
1 was an alco who knocked down a pedestrian and didnt stop while pissed on a Saturday afternoon and nothing happened nada, zilch he drove away end of story!
Another was old school violent towards all the alter boys, but thats ok!
3rd guy was sound, he got involved in the school rugger team and ended up playing on the local team.
The 4th guy touched alter boys up plain and simple.
He was moved around umpteen times and ended up a parish priest in the next parish about 10 years later.
Priests rock
I believe you some people might not. stupid comment I know but that's me."
Why is it a stupid comment?
You and everyone else has the choice to believe me or not, thats your prerogative.
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"There is good and bad in all walks of life i was an alter boy under 3 different priests all gentlemen who had a good influence on me growing up also like in a lot of small parishes local priest looked after gaa youth football teams brought us everywhere in his car to match and he was a total gentleman
I also served as an alter boy, coming from The sticks we had no choice ! small town religion and the local garda Sergent ruled.
I serves under 4 priests.
1 was an alco who knocked down a pedestrian and didnt stop while pissed on a Saturday afternoon and nothing happened nada, zilch he drove away end of story!
Another was old school violent towards all the alter boys, but thats ok!
3rd guy was sound, he got involved in the school rugger team and ended up playing on the local team.
The 4th guy touched alter boys up plain and simple.
He was moved around umpteen times and ended up a parish priest in the next parish about 10 years later.
Priests rock
I believe you some people might not. stupid comment I know but that's me.
Why is it a stupid comment?
You and everyone else has the choice to believe me or not, thats your prerogative.
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"There is good and bad in all walks of life i was an alter boy under 3 different priests all gentlemen who had a good influence on me growing up also like in a lot of small parishes local priest looked after gaa youth football teams brought us everywhere in his car to match and he was a total gentleman
I also served as an alter boy, coming from The sticks we had no choice ! small town religion and the local garda Sergent ruled.
I serves under 4 priests.
1 was an alco who knocked down a pedestrian and didnt stop while pissed on a Saturday afternoon and nothing happened nada, zilch he drove away end of story!
Another was old school violent towards all the alter boys, but thats ok!
3rd guy was sound, he got involved in the school rugger team and ended up playing on the local team.
The 4th guy touched alter boys up plain and simple.
He was moved around umpteen times and ended up a parish priest in the next parish about 10 years later.
Priests rock
I believe you some people might not. stupid comment I know but that's me.
Why is it a stupid comment?
You and everyone else has the choice to believe me or not, thats your prerogative.
Gee thanks."
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"There is good and bad in all walks of life i was an alter boy under 3 different priests all gentlemen who had a good influence on me growing up also like in a lot of small parishes local priest looked after gaa youth football teams brought us everywhere in his car to match and he was a total gentleman
I also served as an alter boy, coming from The sticks we had no choice ! small town religion and the local garda Sergent ruled.
I serves under 4 priests.
1 was an alco who knocked down a pedestrian and didnt stop while pissed on a Saturday afternoon and nothing happened nada, zilch he drove away end of story!
Another was old school violent towards all the alter boys, but thats ok!
3rd guy was sound, he got involved in the school rugger team and ended up playing on the local team.
The 4th guy touched alter boys up plain and simple.
He was moved around umpteen times and ended up a parish priest in the next parish about 10 years later.
Priests rock
I believe you some people might not. stupid comment I know but that's me.
Why is it a stupid comment?
You and everyone else has the choice to believe me or not, thats your prerogative.
Gee thanks.
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By *oser OP Man
over a year ago
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"I'm more offended that you can't spell altar properly
In the indo online today :
"Mass continues to be held at rural church where sex act was filmed"
Fabbers looking for divine intervention? "
Cinse..
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