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Question yourself but respect others as long as they respect you. If they don't show respect to your beliefs do what you believe to be the right thing. Never allow someone else to corrupt your character  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Should you respect what people believe or is questioning without ad hominem attacks acceptable ?
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Depends on what their beliefs are. If someone believes in God and I don't I have no right to attack but if someone believes a race is superior or something else then I feel you do. People shouldn't force their beliefs on others too. |
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Respect at all times. Everyone has different beliefs and different opinions. We should all be allowed to express ourselves and debate same. Unfortunately some people take offence and can't take criticism even constructive criticism. Should stop you having your say, but unfortunately on here it usually ends up with someone throwing their toys out of the pram. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Question yourself but respect others as long as they respect you. If they don't show respect to your beliefs do what you believe to be the right thing. Never allow someone else to corrupt your character "
Let's say there a belief system where those who believe go along with a book that says anyone not of their belief system should be killed ?
Anyone who works on a certain holy day each week should be killed ?
Anyone from the LGBTQ community are sinners if they engage in their sexuality ?
That anybody who leaves said belief system should be killed ?
That the belief system becomes part of the legal system within a country and to not believe in becomes a criminal offence ?
If someone worships a clearly anti scientific belief as a scientific truth should their preaching be accepted or challenged ?
If none of these were to affect me does that mean I should be mute rather than giving criticism I would if I was directly affected ? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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The respect I have for people isn't given out at a free buffet. It's earned. Do I think people have the right to believe what they want ? Absolutely they do regardless of if they believe 2 + 2 = 7651. In turn if their beliefs are ridiculous as in this case they would be then said belief should be called out for what it is. |
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Anyone from the LGBTQ community are sinners if they engage in their sexuality ?
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The concept of sin is theirs, not yours. If you don't believe in that concept then it's of no consequence to you. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Anyone from the LGBTQ community are sinners if they engage in their sexuality ?
The concept of sin is theirs, not yours. If you don't believe in that concept then it's of no consequence to you. "
The actions of those who have that belief of sin may very well impact on me. Beliefs very often drive actions. |
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Anyone from the LGBTQ community are sinners if they engage in their sexuality ?
The concept of sin is theirs, not yours. If you don't believe in that concept then it's of no consequence to you.
The actions of those who have that belief of sin may very well impact on me. Beliefs very often drive actions. "
How could they impact on you ? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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How could they impact on you ?"
Let me make this is clear as possible.
For example ; if I have an LGBTQ brother/sister and the family we were brought up in has the belief system proposed then there is high chance with fundamentalist indoctrination of that belief they will either be cast aside from the family and/or suffer mental health issues possibly resulting in depression/suicide.
If that sounds far fetched look at Ireland of the past and how many suicides happened in the LGBTQ community over the years.
The loss of a loved one would most definitely have an impact on me in this particular and very common example. |
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I don't really care what people believe in.
It's actions that are important. If someone tells me that they think being gay is wrong, but they have never acted on that and treat gay people fairly, then I don't mind.
Gay marriage could not have come out with a fair amount of people thinking "It's wrong, and its against god, but its not fair to stop them".
So I wont get on their backs about anything. |
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How could they impact on you ?
Let me make this is clear as possible.
For example ; if I have an LGBTQ brother/sister and the family we were brought up in has the belief system proposed then there is high chance with fundamentalist indoctrination of that belief they will either be cast aside from the family and/or suffer mental health issues possibly resulting in depression/suicide.
If that sounds far fetched look at Ireland of the past and how many suicides happened in the LGBTQ community over the years.
The loss of a loved one would most definitely have an impact on me in this particular and very common example. "
Ok. I get that. I respect that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Question yourself but respect others as long as they respect you. If they don't show respect to your beliefs do what you believe to be the right thing. Never allow someone else to corrupt your character "
Show respect even if they don't. ..Or one has stooped to their level and can no more expect the respect they deserve. Makes no odds who did it first... Both have shown disrespect. Imo. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Anyone from the LGBTQ community are sinners if they engage in their sexuality ?
The concept of sin is theirs, not yours. If you don't believe in that concept then it's of no consequence to you.
The actions of those who have that belief of sin may very well impact on me. Beliefs very often drive actions. "
I do agree. Just because I don't believe in something doesn't necessarily make it untrue and won't have an impact on me.
Ie... I believe the world is flat. If I'm wrong it will have an impact albeit sometimes I may not realise the impact (Doesn't mean it wont). |
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By *aid backMan
over a year ago
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"Should you respect what people believe or is questioning without ad hominem attacks acceptable ?
Depends on what their beliefs are. If someone believes in God and I don't I have no right to attack but if someone believes a race is superior or something else then I feel you do. People shouldn't force their beliefs on others too. "
What if their religious beliefs tell them that their race is superior?? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Black /white, skinny/fat, gay/straight. We're all in a race the human race. If we were all just treated as humans the world would be a happier place. "
Very true. To hate because of differing melanin levels is baffling to me. I can see why in some cases are cautious of other cultures but to lump all people with a certain skin tone across many differing belief systems and cultures into one melting pot as if they are all the same shows a massive misunderstanding and probably an unwillingness to veer from a projected reality of who those people are.
Belief systems hijack our subconscious and we run on them as an operating system if we are not aware.
We can make very flawed judgements based on beliefs we have been indoctrinated with but think we have chosen ourselves.
It seems to me many of these belief systems are closed to new evidence which rallies against their truths. They seem to set believers up with high levels of cognitive dissonance and cognitive bias. They certainly work from the conclusion backwards a lot of the time and maybe it's improving but I see very flawed critical thinking skills.
It is just as important why or how people think a certain way as to what they think . What are the driving forces . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Question yourself but respect others as long as they respect you. If they don't show respect to your beliefs do what you believe to be the right thing. Never allow someone else to corrupt your character
Show respect even if they don't. ..Or one has stooped to their level and can no more expect the respect they deserve. Makes no odds who did it first... Both have shown disrespect. Imo."
My point ... if someone treats you badly should you do the same back ... no you shouldn't. Never allow another human to corrupt your character. Stay true to who you are, sometimes that means walking away with your head held high allowing them to believe they have the last word. They can have it if what they are saying is disrespectful |
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" By following the above,surely thats what's called a frank and open discussion?
That's the question being posed yes. "
So in plain English, the question is "should you respect other's beliefs in a frank and open discussion, without resorting to personal attack? "
my answer to that is YES,of course, and I would hope that the other person/s would do same for me, if not then its a polite end of discussion. |
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"Question yourself but respect others as long as they respect you. If they don't show respect to your beliefs do what you believe to be the right thing. Never allow someone else to corrupt your character
Show respect even if they don't. ..Or one has stooped to their level and can no more expect the respect they deserve. Makes no odds who did it first... Both have shown disrespect. Imo.
My point ... if someone treats you badly should you do the same back ... no you shouldn't. Never allow another human to corrupt your character. Stay true to who you are, sometimes that means walking away with your head held high allowing them to believe they have the last word. They can have it if what they are saying is disrespectful "
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" By following the above,surely thats what's called a frank and open discussion?
That's the question being posed yes.
So in plain English, the question is "should you respect other's beliefs in a frank and open discussion, without resorting to personal attack? "
my answer to that is YES,of course, and I would hope that the other person/s would do same for me, if not then its a polite end of discussion."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Question yourself but respect others as long as they respect you. If they don't show respect to your beliefs do what you believe to be the right thing. Never allow someone else to corrupt your character
Show respect even if they don't. ..Or one has stooped to their level and can no more expect the respect they deserve. Makes no odds who did it first... Both have shown disrespect. Imo.
My point ... if someone treats you badly should you do the same back ... no you shouldn't. Never allow another human to corrupt your character. Stay true to who you are, sometimes that means walking away with your head held high allowing them to believe they have the last word. They can have it if what they are saying is disrespectful "
I should have just used an emoji instead... 
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Question yourself but respect others as long as they respect you. If they don't show respect to your beliefs do what you believe to be the right thing. Never allow someone else to corrupt your character
Show respect even if they don't. ..Or one has stooped to their level and can no more expect the respect they deserve. Makes no odds who did it first... Both have shown disrespect. Imo.
My point ... if someone treats you badly should you do the same back ... no you shouldn't. Never allow another human to corrupt your character. Stay true to who you are, sometimes that means walking away with your head held high allowing them to believe they have the last word. They can have it if what they are saying is disrespectful
I should have just used an emoji instead...
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If that's what you want fire ahead  |
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Is it a reasonable question to ask that "respecting" everyone's beliefs got society into a lot of the issues we have today ?
Beliefs can't have their feelins hurt. Are people so fragile they can't have their beliefs questioned.
Do those who respect everone's beliefs respect white supremacists ? Do they respect fundamentalist jihadist terrorists beliefs?
Do they respect genital mutilation of kids based on beliefs of parents ?
Do they respect the beliefs of parents who treat sick kids with prayer rather than cancer ?
Do they respect the beliefs of the Westboro Baptist church ?
Do they respect the beliefs of people who would prefee them dead because they don't share their belief system ?
Do they respect the beliefs of those who say they are bible/quran literalists and treat others based on discriminatory elements of these books ?
People are entitled to indulge in fantasy as they see fit. The issue is when their fantasy impacts on others lives be it through personal attacks or governmental policy. |
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"Is it a reasonable question to ask that "respecting" everyone's beliefs got society into a lot of the issues we have today ?
Beliefs can't have their feelins hurt. Are people so fragile they can't have their beliefs questioned.
Do those who respect everone's beliefs respect white supremacists ? Do they respect fundamentalist jihadist terrorists beliefs?
Do they respect genital mutilation of kids based on beliefs of parents ?
Do they respect the beliefs of parents who treat sick kids with prayer rather than cancer ?
Do they respect the beliefs of the Westboro Baptist church ?
Do they respect the beliefs of people who would prefee them dead because they don't share their belief system ?
Do they respect the beliefs of those who say they are bible/quran literalists and treat others based on discriminatory elements of these books ?
People are entitled to indulge in fantasy as they see fit. The issue is when their fantasy impacts on others lives be it through personal attacks or governmental policy."
rather than posting questions why not post what you think about the above, then others can post in response to that. I would really like to know your views, in the context of this thread. thanks
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"Is it a reasonable question to ask that "respecting" everyone's beliefs got society into a lot of the issues we have today ?
Beliefs can't have their feelins hurt. Are people so fragile they can't have their beliefs questioned.
Do those who respect everone's beliefs respect white supremacists ? Do they respect fundamentalist jihadist terrorists beliefs?
Do they respect genital mutilation of kids based on beliefs of parents ?
Do they respect the beliefs of parents who treat sick kids with prayer rather than cancer ?
Do they respect the beliefs of the Westboro Baptist church ?
Do they respect the beliefs of people who would prefee them dead because they don't share their belief system ?
Do they respect the beliefs of those who say they are bible/quran literalists and treat others based on discriminatory elements of these books ?
People are entitled to indulge in fantasy as they see fit. The issue is when their fantasy impacts on others lives be it through personal attacks or governmental policy.
rather than posting questions why not post what you think about the above, then others can post in response to that. I would really like to know your views, in the context of this thread. thanks
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I think my views are quite.clear I don't respect such beliefs as I have mentioned. Not sure was that the only post of mine you read in the thread but I think it should be rather obvious my opinion on such closeted beliefs.
Interesting that you didn't offer your own opinion though. Just posted to ask mine. You are fully entitled to go completely against every word I have put forward.
The questions I asked in my last post were rhetorical to me. To others there was a point in asking as they mentioned respect for everyone's beliefs. |
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I think my views are quite.clear I don't respect such beliefs as I have mentioned. Not sure was that the only post of mine you read in the thread but I think it should be rather obvious my opinion on such closeted beliefs.
Interesting that you didn't offer your own opinion though. Just posted to ask mine. You are fully entitled to go completely against every word I have put forward.
The questions I asked in my last post were rhetorical to me. To others there was a point in asking as they mentioned respect for everyone's beliefs. "
thank you,I read all of the thread and your posts.
i don't agree, your views to me are not clear,though you do, to my mind go about things in a very convoluted way.
Please , could you explain to me what you term closeted beliefs?
I have offered my opinion on the question you asked, and that you clarified. I do also know that I am entitled to disagree with what you have put forward, i didn't need your acknowledgement of that, thanks.
why post rhetorical questions to yourself?
I suppose what I was asking of you was to just say what it is you believe and not go about the houses about by cloaking them as questions to others.that's all.
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By *vpamelaTV/TS
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I would never respect anyone for having an idiot belief. Doesn't stop me from being polite and friendly though.  |
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