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"How cute, you think having a penis qualifies you to be a man." Where did I say that? Or what relevance does it have? Yes I have a penis and have always identified myself as a man. Your problem with that is? | |||
"How cute, you think having a penis qualifies you to be a man. Where did I say that? Or what relevance does it have? Yes I have a penis and have always identified myself as a man. Your problem with that is?" Well act like one then? | |||
"How cute, you think having a penis qualifies you to be a man. Where did I say that? Or what relevance does it have? Yes I have a penis and have always identified myself as a man. Your problem with that is? Well act like one then? " Hopefully you will explain in basic English for me | |||
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"Following from another post earlier and my own regular perving of the New Pics - Women section. Why do some"women" post as women? Granted there are some extremely convincing and, I must say, sexy alternatives but if you aren't actually a woman, why classify yourself on here as such? Ok, I get that you now identify as a woman but if you still have a cock between your legs, sorry but you are not what most guys consider to be a woman, regardless of how you feel yourself. Why do you not classify yourself as TV/TS/CD etc? I know, I'll likely get a lot of grief from some for this post and I hold my hand up in not even knowing the difference between a TV and a TS but I think it's a fair question." As George Harrison said: "My Sweet Lord" | |||
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"Now I'm just playing devil's advocate here if as people are having a penis doesn't make you a man and having a uterus doesn't make you a woman and it's what you identify as that counts. Then shouldn't all labels be self Identifiable? Am I having been born white be allowed to identify as black or Asian if that's what I feel inside? What if I feel like I identify as my spirit animal can I demand that people respect me as a wolf? " Nice one laid I was about to get on my soapbox - I definitely identify more as a man than a woman, as my friends often remind me.....i just don't have the normal female psyche | |||
"How cute, you think having a penis qualifies you to be a man." Em, Yeah? | |||
"Following from another post earlier and my own regular perving of the New Pics - Women section. Why do some"women" post as women? Granted there are some extremely convincing and, I must say, sexy alternatives but if you aren't actually a woman, why classify yourself on here as such? Ok, I get that you now identify as a woman but if you still have a cock between your legs, sorry but you are not what most guys consider to be a woman, regardless of how you feel yourself. Why do you not classify yourself as TV/TS/CD etc? I know, I'll likely get a lot of grief from some for this post and I hold my hand up in not even knowing the difference between a TV and a TS but I think it's a fair question." I can't say I've ever seen any profile where a man has himself registered as a women on here, or vice versa. But if there are then it's complete bollocks. He can register himself as a tranny or whatever but if he hasn't undergone a sex change then he certainly is not a woman | |||
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"Some of you really need to inform themselves about this topic. I can’t imagine what it would feel like for a transgender person to read some of these posts. The suicide risk amongst transgender is very high and it doesn’t surprise me if some of your comments are what they deal with every day. " Rather than virtue signalling, how about you tell us what it is we've said that's supposedly wrong? | |||
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"Some of you really need to inform themselves about this topic. I can’t imagine what it would feel like for a transgender person to read some of these posts. The suicide risk amongst transgender is very high and it doesn’t surprise me if some of your comments are what they deal with every day. I Rather than virtue signalling, how about you tell us what it is we've said that's supposedly wrong?" Others have explained this already. | |||
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"Be what you want I say Be yourself " I am what I am | |||
"Some of you really need to inform themselves about this topic. I can’t imagine what it would feel like for a transgender person to read some of these posts. The suicide risk amongst transgender is very high and it doesn’t surprise me if some of your comments are what they deal with every day. I Rather than virtue signalling, how about you tell us what it is we've said that's supposedly wrong? Others have explained this already. " They really havent | |||
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"Some of you really need to inform themselves about this topic. I can’t imagine what it would feel like for a transgender person to read some of these posts. The suicide risk amongst transgender is very high and it doesn’t surprise me if some of your comments are what they deal with every day. " before chastising someone may I suggest you check out Ben Shapiro on YouTube he clearly and Succinctly explains the statistics of the transgender suicide rate. It's an eye opener for those who suggest that "bullying" is the main reason for the high suicide rate. The op is allowed his opinion as are all others and as a person with quite a few tg/ts acquaintances a lot of them would in some way agree with some if not all of his sentiments | |||
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"Following from another post earlier and my own regular perving of the New Pics - Women section. Why do some"women" post as women? Granted there are some extremely convincing and, I must say, sexy alternatives but if you aren't actually a woman, why classify yourself on here as such? Ok, I get that you now identify as a woman but if you still have a cock between your legs, sorry but you are not what most guys consider to be a woman, regardless of how you feel yourself. Why do you not classify yourself as TV/TS/CD etc? I know, I'll likely get a lot of grief from some for this post and I hold my hand up in not even knowing the difference between a TV and a TS but I think it's a fair question. I can't say I've ever seen any profile where a man has himself registered as a women on here, or vice versa. But if there are then it's complete bollocks. He can register himself as a tranny or whatever but if he hasn't undergone a sex change then he certainly is not a woman" And if he has undergone gender reassignment surgery, is he then a woman? | |||
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"I'll explain again, and it has been fully explained before. Gender and sexuality develop in the brain independent of your organs. Science agrees that due to estrogen levels a female brain can develop in a male body. This is 100% scientific fact. Imagine how hard that is, always feeling like a straight woman but having every guy you are ever interested in treat you like a freak or beat you up. That you cant be yourself at the first disco and have to bury everything down and hide everything about every guy you like. Then we get to a time when science agrees they are in the wrong body and people say "what if i identify as a dolphin?". Well go and scientifically prove that like gender/sexuality has been proven to be in the brain. As for race, a black man and a white man identify the same. There is no evidence that they process the world differently. The black is simply descriptive of their skin colour and not an indication that they are a different type of man to us. If you're born in Japan youre japanese, africa, african etc. Sometimes cultures make us act differently. For example an american man and a mexican man will act differently. This is the difference between nurture and nature. So if you want to say you are a man, raised in Ireland but identify as as a man raised in mexican culture, thats a bit strange cause nurture does not work that way, but okay cool, being quirky is okay. Gender and sexuality are not decided by nurture. " Very we put and explained.. | |||
"I'll explain again, and it has been fully explained before. Gender and sexuality develop in the brain independent of your organs. Science agrees that due to estrogen levels a female brain can develop in a male body. This is 100% scientific fact. Imagine how hard that is, always feeling like a straight woman but having every guy you are ever interested in treat you like a freak or beat you up. That you cant be yourself at the first disco and have to bury everything down and hide everything about every guy you like. Then we get to a time when science agrees they are in the wrong body and people say "what if i identify as a dolphin?". Well go and scientifically prove that like gender/sexuality has been proven to be in the brain. As for race, a black man and a white man identify the same. There is no evidence that they process the world differently. The black is simply descriptive of their skin colour and not an indication that they are a different type of man to us. If you're born in Japan youre japanese, africa, african etc. Sometimes cultures make us act differently. For example an american man and a mexican man will act differently. This is the difference between nurture and nature. So if you want to say you are a man, raised in Ireland but identify as as a man raised in mexican culture, thats a bit strange cause nurture does not work that way, but okay cool, being quirky is okay. Gender and sexuality are not decided by nurture. " This | |||
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"As previous posts gave explained gender and sexuality are two different things. Labelling people because of what's between their legs is very easy to do but ignores the reality of being a human being. But then on fab men often think being a man is all about having a penis.... And I think it's more subtle than that. If your penis wasnt there anymore through injury would you still be a man?" You’d be a very sad man I quite a bit of pain. | |||
"I'll explain again, and it has been fully explained before. Gender and sexuality develop in the brain independent of your organs. Science agrees that due to estrogen levels a female brain can develop in a male body. This is 100% scientific fact. Imagine how hard that is, always feeling like a straight woman but having every guy you are ever interested in treat you like a freak or beat you up. That you cant be yourself at the first disco and have to bury everything down and hide everything about every guy you like. Then we get to a time when science agrees they are in the wrong body and people say "what if i identify as a dolphin?". Well go and scientifically prove that like gender/sexuality has been proven to be in the brain. As for race, a black man and a white man identify the same. There is no evidence that they process the world differently. The black is simply descriptive of their skin colour and not an indication that they are a different type of man to us. If you're born in Japan youre japanese, africa, african etc. Sometimes cultures make us act differently. For example an american man and a mexican man will act differently. This is the difference between nurture and nature. So if you want to say you are a man, raised in Ireland but identify as as a man raised in mexican culture, thats a bit strange cause nurture does not work that way, but okay cool, being quirky is okay. Gender and sexuality are not decided by nurture. " I am extremely attracted to your brain (body is quite nice as well ) | |||
"I'll explain again, and it has been fully explained before. Gender and sexuality develop in the brain independent of your organs. Science agrees that due to estrogen levels a female brain can develop in a male body. This is 100% scientific fact. Imagine how hard that is, always feeling like a straight woman but having every guy you are ever interested in treat you like a freak or beat you up. That you cant be yourself at the first disco and have to bury everything down and hide everything about every guy you like. Then we get to a time when science agrees they are in the wrong body and people say "what if i identify as a dolphin?". Well go and scientifically prove that like gender/sexuality has been proven to be in the brain. As for race, a black man and a white man identify the same. There is no evidence that they process the world differently. The black is simply descriptive of their skin colour and not an indication that they are a different type of man to us. If you're born in Japan youre japanese, africa, african etc. Sometimes cultures make us act differently. For example an american man and a mexican man will act differently. This is the difference between nurture and nature. So if you want to say you are a man, raised in Ireland but identify as as a man raised in mexican culture, thats a bit strange cause nurture does not work that way, but okay cool, being quirky is okay. Gender and sexuality are not decided by nurture. " | |||
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"I'll explain again, and it has been fully explained before. Gender and sexuality develop in the brain independent of your organs. Science agrees that due to estrogen levels a female brain can develop in a male body. This is 100% scientific fact. Imagine how hard that is, always feeling like a straight woman but having every guy you are ever interested in treat you like a freak or beat you up. That you cant be yourself at the first disco and have to bury everything down and hide everything about every guy you like. Then we get to a time when science agrees they are in the wrong body and people say "what if i identify as a dolphin?". Well go and scientifically prove that like gender/sexuality has been proven to be in the brain. As for race, a black man and a white man identify the same. There is no evidence that they process the world differently. The black is simply descriptive of their skin colour and not an indication that they are a different type of man to us. If you're born in Japan youre japanese, africa, african etc. Sometimes cultures make us act differently. For example an american man and a mexican man will act differently. This is the difference between nurture and nature. So if you want to say you are a man, raised in Ireland but identify as as a man raised in mexican culture, thats a bit strange cause nurture does not work that way, but okay cool, being quirky is okay. Gender and sexuality are not decided by nurture. " Imaging studies and other research suggests that their is a biological basis for transgender identity. The weight of certain studies point towards a biological basis for gender dysphoria. But given the variety of transgender people and the variation in the brains of men and women generally, it will be a long time if ever, before a Doctor can do a brain scan on a child and say "yes" this child is trans. | |||
"Also, one last thing. People dont change or grow into females. They are born that way. Nothing can change you gay, or female. Once you're born its all fairly set. It can just seem that they change because they accept who they are and stop hiding it, so to outsiders it looks like they have "changed", however its better to say they have reached a point in their life where they will try show who they really are. And that's badass, cause its still not accepted and its still gonna be really hard for them, but they are a bunch of badass men/women and are gonna go for it." A lot of men who went into the American prison system straight and came out gay, may disagree with your point of view. | |||
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"Very interesting thread . There is indeed a wide variety of opinion. I am curious why people always focus on the mtf trans girls as opposed to ftm trans guys. Leads on the bathroom question. Should a trans woman be allowed in the ladies bathrooms ? If not then surely a trans guy who still has a vagina should use the female bathrooms no matter how convincing. What sex bathroom do siamese twins of opposite sex use lol. The world is changing. Society is changing. Not everyone is as educated on sensitive subjects as those who are living the subject wishes others were. I have to say I do like listening to Ben Shapiro as I like to challenge my own views. I do find his quoting of science hypocritical when he believes in a supernatural entity that he says himself the rational position is agnosticism. From research I have seen though the attempted suicide attempts for pre/post op trans people is quite similar..In and around 40% try to commit suicide at some point. What isn't discussed in those stats is reactions to trans people post op from friends or family who may ostracise them. I hypothesise.there may be a difference in reasoning behind attemted suicides in post op trans people. Following copy/pasted from scientic american Some children insist, from the moment they can speak, that they are not the gender indicated by their biological sex. So where does this knowledge reside? And is it possible to discern a genetic or anatomical basis for transgender identity? Exploration of these questions is relatively new, but there is a bit of evidence for a genetic basis. Identical twins are somewhat more likely than fraternal twins to both be trans. Male and female brains are, on average, slightly different in structure, although there is tremendous individual variability. Several studies have looked for signs that transgender people have brains more similar to their experienced gender. Spanish investigators—led by psychobiologist Antonio Guillamon of the National Distance Education University in Madrid and neuropsychologist Carme Junqu Plaja of the University of Barcelona—used MRI to examine the brains of 24 female-to-males and 18 male-to-females—both before and after treatment with cross-sex hormones. Their results, published in 2013, showed that even before treatment the brain structures of the trans people were more similar in some respects to the brains of their experienced gender than those of their natal gender. For example, the female-to-male subjects had relatively thin subcortical areas (these areas tend to be thinner in men than in women). Male-to-female subjects tended to have thinner cortical regions in the right hemisphere, which is characteristic of a female brain. (Such differences became more pronounced after treatment.) “Trans people have brains that are different from males and females, a unique kind of brain,” Guillamon says. “It is simplistic to say that a female-to-male transgender person is a female trapped in a male body. It's not because they have a male brain but a transsexual brain.” Of course, behavior and experience shape brain anatomy, so it is impossible to say if these subtle differences are inborn. Other investigators have looked at sex differences through brain functioning. In a study published in 2014, psychologist Sarah M. Burke of VU University Medical Center in Amsterdam and biologist Julie Bakker of the Netherlands Institute for Neuroscience used functional MRI to examine how 39 prepubertal and 41 adolescent boys and girls with gender dysphoria responded to androstadienone, an odorous steroid with pheromonelike properties that is known to cause a different response in the hypothalamus of men versus women. They found that the adolescent boys and girls with gender dysphoria responded much like peers of their experienced gender. The results were less clear with Imaging studies and other research suggest that there is a biological basis for transgender identity Some children insist, from the moment they can speak, that they are not the gender indicated by their biological sex. So where does this knowledge reside? And is it possible to discern a genetic or anatomical basis for transgender identity? Exploration of these questions is relatively new, but there is a bit of evidence for a genetic basis. Identical twins are somewhat more likely than fraternal twins to both be trans. Male and female brains are, on average, slightly different in structure, although there is tremendous individual variability. Several studies have looked for signs that transgender people have brains more similar to their experienced gender. Spanish investigators—led by psychobiologist Antonio Guillamon of the National Distance Education University in Madrid and neuropsychologist Carme Junqu Plaja of the University of Barcelona—used MRI to examine the brains of 24 female-to-males and 18 male-to-females—both before and after treatment with cross-sex hormones. Their results, published in 2013, showed that even before treatment the brain structures of the trans people were more similar in some respects to the brains of their experienced gender than those of their natal gender. For example, the female-to-male subjects had relatively thin subcortical areas (these areas tend to be thinner in men than in women). Male-to-female subjects tended to have thinner cortical regions in the right hemisphere, which is characteristic of a female brain. (Such differences became more pronounced after treatment.) “Trans people have brains that are different from males and females, a unique kind of brain,” Guillamon says. “It is simplistic to say that a female-to-male transgender person is a female trapped in a male body. It's not because they have a male brain but a transsexual brain.” Of course, behavior and experience shape brain anatomy, so it is impossible to say if these subtle differences are inborn. Other investigators have looked at sex differences through brain functioning. In a study published in 2014, psychologist Sarah M. Burke of VU University Medical Center in Amsterdam and biologist Julie Bakker of the Netherlands Institute for Neuroscience used functional MRI to examine how 39 prepubertal and 41 adolescent boys and girls with gender dysphoria responded to androstadienone, an odorous steroid with pheromonelike properties that is known to cause a different response in the hypothalamus of men versus women. They found that the adolescent boys and girls with gender dysphoria responded much like peers of their experienced gender. The results were less clear with the prepubertal children. FEATURED PRODUCT Featured Product image SPECIAL EDITION What Makes Us Human $9.99 VIEW DETAILS This kind of study is important, says Baudewijntje Kreukels, an expert on gender dysphoria at VU University Medical Center, “because sex differences in responding to odors cannot be influenced by training or environment.” The same can be said of another 2014 experiment by Burke and her colleagues. They measured the responses of boys and girls with gender dysphoria to echolike sounds produced by the inner ear in response to a clicking noise. Boys with gender dysphoria responded more like typical females, who have a stronger response to these sounds. But girls with gender dysphoria also responded like typical females. Overall the weight of these studies and others points strongly toward a biological basis for gender dysphoria. But given the variety of transgender people and the variation in the brains of men and women generally, it will be a long time, if ever, before a doctor can do a brain scan on a child and say, “Yes, this child is trans.”" | |||
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"Very interesting thread . There is indeed a wide variety of opinion. I am curious why people always focus on the mtf trans girls as opposed to ftm trans guys. Leads on the bathroom question. Should a trans woman be allowed in the ladies bathrooms ? If not then surely a trans guy who still has a vagina should use the female bathrooms no matter how convincing. What sex bathroom do siamese twins of opposite sex use lol. The world is changing. Society is changing. Not everyone is as educated on sensitive subjects as those who are living the subject wishes others were. I have to say I do like listening to Ben Shapiro as I like to challenge my own views. I do find his quoting of science hypocritical when he believes in a supernatural entity that he says himself the rational position is agnosticism. From research I have seen though the attempted suicide attempts for pre/post op trans people is quite similar..In and around 40% try to commit suicide at some point. What isn't discussed in those stats is reactions to trans people post op from friends or family who may ostracise them. I hypothesise.there may be a difference in reasoning behind attemted suicides in post op trans people. Following copy/pasted from scientic american Some children insist, from the moment they can speak, that they are not the gender indicated by their biological sex. So where does this knowledge reside? And is it possible to discern a genetic or anatomical basis for transgender identity? Exploration of these questions is relatively new, but there is a bit of evidence for a genetic basis. Identical twins are somewhat more likely than fraternal twins to both be trans. Male and female brains are, on average, slightly different in structure, although there is tremendous individual variability. Several studies have looked for signs that transgender people have brains more similar to their experienced gender. Spanish investigators—led by psychobiologist Antonio Guillamon of the National Distance Education University in Madrid and neuropsychologist Carme Junqu Plaja of the University of Barcelona—used MRI to examine the brains of 24 female-to-males and 18 male-to-females—both before and after treatment with cross-sex hormones. Their results, published in 2013, showed that even before treatment the brain structures of the trans people were more similar in some respects to the brains of their experienced gender than those of their natal gender. For example, the female-to-male subjects had relatively thin subcortical areas (these areas tend to be thinner in men than in women). Male-to-female subjects tended to have thinner cortical regions in the right hemisphere, which is characteristic of a female brain. (Such differences became more pronounced after treatment.) “Trans people have brains that are different from males and females, a unique kind of brain,” Guillamon says. “It is simplistic to say that a female-to-male transgender person is a female trapped in a male body. It's not because they have a male brain but a transsexual brain.” Of course, behavior and experience shape brain anatomy, so it is impossible to say if these subtle differences are inborn. Other investigators have looked at sex differences through brain functioning. In a study published in 2014, psychologist Sarah M. Burke of VU University Medical Center in Amsterdam and biologist Julie Bakker of the Netherlands Institute for Neuroscience used functional MRI to examine how 39 prepubertal and 41 adolescent boys and girls with gender dysphoria responded to androstadienone, an odorous steroid with pheromonelike properties that is known to cause a different response in the hypothalamus of men versus women. They found that the adolescent boys and girls with gender dysphoria responded much like peers of their experienced gender. The results were less clear with Imaging studies and other research suggest that there is a biological basis for transgender identity Some children insist, from the moment they can speak, that they are not the gender indicated by their biological sex. So where does this knowledge reside? And is it possible to discern a genetic or anatomical basis for transgender identity? Exploration of these questions is relatively new, but there is a bit of evidence for a genetic basis. Identical twins are somewhat more likely than fraternal twins to both be trans. Male and female brains are, on average, slightly different in structure, although there is tremendous individual variability. Several studies have looked for signs that transgender people have brains more similar to their experienced gender. Spanish investigators—led by psychobiologist Antonio Guillamon of the National Distance Education University in Madrid and neuropsychologist Carme Junqu Plaja of the University of Barcelona—used MRI to examine the brains of 24 female-to-males and 18 male-to-females—both before and after treatment with cross-sex hormones. Their results, published in 2013, showed that even before treatment the brain structures of the trans people were more similar in some respects to the brains of their experienced gender than those of their natal gender. For example, the female-to-male subjects had relatively thin subcortical areas (these areas tend to be thinner in men than in women). Male-to-female subjects tended to have thinner cortical regions in the right hemisphere, which is characteristic of a female brain. (Such differences became more pronounced after treatment.) “Trans people have brains that are different from males and females, a unique kind of brain,” Guillamon says. “It is simplistic to say that a female-to-male transgender person is a female trapped in a male body. It's not because they have a male brain but a transsexual brain.” Of course, behavior and experience shape brain anatomy, so it is impossible to say if these subtle differences are inborn. Other investigators have looked at sex differences through brain functioning. In a study published in 2014, psychologist Sarah M. Burke of VU University Medical Center in Amsterdam and biologist Julie Bakker of the Netherlands Institute for Neuroscience used functional MRI to examine how 39 prepubertal and 41 adolescent boys and girls with gender dysphoria responded to androstadienone, an odorous steroid with pheromonelike properties that is known to cause a different response in the hypothalamus of men versus women. They found that the adolescent boys and girls with gender dysphoria responded much like peers of their experienced gender. The results were less clear with the prepubertal children. FEATURED PRODUCT Featured Product image SPECIAL EDITION What Makes Us Human $9.99 VIEW DETAILS This kind of study is important, says Baudewijntje Kreukels, an expert on gender dysphoria at VU University Medical Center, “because sex differences in responding to odors cannot be influenced by training or environment.” The same can be said of another 2014 experiment by Burke and her colleagues. They measured the responses of boys and girls with gender dysphoria to echolike sounds produced by the inner ear in response to a clicking noise. Boys with gender dysphoria responded more like typical females, who have a stronger response to these sounds. But girls with gender dysphoria also responded like typical females. Overall the weight of these studies and others points strongly toward a biological basis for gender dysphoria. But given the variety of transgender people and the variation in the brains of men and women generally, it will be a long time, if ever, before a doctor can do a brain scan on a child and say, “Yes, this child is trans.”" My reference to Shapiro is in direct correlation to the bullying/suicide argument,he rightly states that the most opressed/bullied in the history of the US ie people of colour have a significantly lower suicide rate than almost every other group. Research shows that suicide is pretty much a middle america white male thing (obviously not 100% exclusive). While bullying a person who is trans for merely being trans is obviously abhorrent does research show a higher or lower stat in the suicide rate in those bullied v those who aren't? | |||
"Well john if you're not aware of the difference between cd/TV/TS I recommend to educate yourself as the differences are quite substantial." Very well said | |||