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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Fianna Fail seem prepared to pull the plug on Government. FG are not backing down and Fitzgerald has no intention of Walking..
Balls...mis read the subject there..   "
Durty mind on you.
... I had to double check the title as well. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think Sinn Fein are perhaps over valuing their reputation of intimidation. I've yet to understand how exactly Frances Fitzgerald has done anything wrong. Her private secretary received an email regarding the McCabe case which was already under judicial review and as such couldn't be commented on by the minister. Talk about damned if you do and damned if you don't. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I think Sinn Fein are perhaps over valuing their reputation of intimidation. I've yet to understand how exactly Frances Fitzgerald has done anything wrong. Her private secretary received an email regarding the McCabe case which was already under judicial review and as such couldn't be commented on by the minister. Talk about damned if you do and damned if you don't. "
The email was identified over a year ago by daly and wallace, that's on public record, her cause was not helped by not informing varadkar and leaving him hanging in the wind, she done nothing with the email, similarly with her time at the helm in the department of justice. |
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By *z2goTV/TS
over a year ago
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"The frustrating bit about the whole issue is that with a re-election nobody will be held responsible - as usual - and the same incompetent people will be elected again. "
That is a very good point, FG we’re to shake it up , it was there chance to represent the people but they turned out to be worse than FF ( if that’s possible ) ! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"The frustrating bit about the whole issue is that with a re-election nobody will be held responsible - as usual - and the same incompetent people will be elected again. "
I think fitzgerald will be walking the plank sooner or later, the assistant garda commissioner has said no action will be taken against the gardai over the breathelyser scandal, ross has been exposed for politicising the garda stations debacle. Hopefully there will be more scrutiny put on them, and the public vote accordingly. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Minister for Justice isn't an elected position. That's where Fitzgerald was when she received the email and actually it was her private secretary. An email outlining that the McCabe case was under judicial review. As it was under review, she could not act on it as it was already being acted on via our delightful legal system. Had she acted on it, she would have been sacked.
As for the potential election, I'm all for it, I didn't vote for Varadkar, nobody did but if he calls the election, I very well might change my mind and support him.
As for the dept of Justice, it's allegedly the most cut-throat place to work, perhaps a great place to send some of the forum trolls and see how they fair.
I'm looking forward to it all.
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
I think she will resign, FF and SF are playing politics with this. FF won't win a majority based on the polls, nor do I see them entering a coalition with SF after the FF ard-fheis. I think they're just trying to damage Varadkar (aka the Indian  )
That said the British would have a shit-fit with Mary-lou as foreign minister. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The frustrating bit about the whole issue is that with a re-election nobody will be held responsible - as usual - and the same incompetent people will be elected again. "
No the frustrating thing is that we have a constantly resolving bunch of clowns, no stability and so much distraction from the actual job of running the country.
Democracy is an extremely wasteful process. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Another election which means another round of lies..promises and blowing smoke up our hoops..Jesus..more posters of gangsters airbrushed to an inch of their miserable existence.whoopy do... |
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By *K430Man
over a year ago
Tipperary |
"Maybe one of us should run.......can you imagine......vote for me, I'm on FAB."
As good a plan as any , because if there's an election we will be in exactly the same position as we are now |
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"Maybe one of us should run.......can you imagine......vote for me, I'm on FAB.
As good a plan as any , because if there's an election we will be in exactly the same position as we are now "
No...after the election we will be fucked...not at all the same position I am in right now!  |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"Maybe one of us should run.......can you imagine......vote for me, I'm on FAB."
Maybe there already is, don't see that working as a slogan though.
How about vote Mary-lou, Sinn Fein in the streets, balaclavas in the sheets!
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"Minister for Justice isn't an elected position.
None of the politicians in the executive are directly elected by the people, but they have to be in the Daíl. "
Funny enough, you don't have to be a TD to be a minister. |
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The issue I have with Frances Fitzgerald is that she told the Dáil that she found out that the Garda legal representative was going to use the false abuse accusations against McCabe at the same time as the rest of us find out. It turns out that that was not true and that she knew before they did it because of the email. You cannot expect to mislead the house on at least three separate occasions and just continue on as if nothing happened. |
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"I'm pleased, I hope Varadkar does it.
The sooner that clown geta voted out the better..he's not a leader ..its time the government focused on real problems like the homeless "
Shhhhh... Stop talking about it!
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I've started watching Brendan Courtney's programme on rté recently. This crowded house I think is called. It's actually frightening. Granted it's not about the homeless crisis but higher up the ladder in the housing crisis. The frightening aspect is that he's meeting people, some of whom are earning reasonable wages, and they can barely afford or even find places to rent. Most of these people are paying such exorbitant rent that they haven't a hope of ever saving enough for a deposit or even qualifying for a mortgage. Ah but sure, it's not that bad compared to other countries. Don't talk about it so much or you'll put people off investing here. |
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By *oserMan
over a year ago
where the wild roses grow |
Same plonkers different cap, our parochial views and nod and wink approach to life has us in the position we are in.
Inherited through generations of NIMBYism and mè feiner attitudes.
To paraphrase Krishnamurti
"We have created a society and that society has conditioned us. Our minds are tortured and heavily conditioned by a morality which is not moral; because society encourages greed, competition, ambition etc which are essentially immoral and the 'moral respectability' of society is utterly disorderly."
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"Same plonkers different cap, our parochial views and nod and wink approach to life has us in the position we are in.
Inherited through generations of NIMBYism and mè feiner attitudes.
To paraphrase Krishnamurti
"We have created a society and that society has conditioned us. Our minds are tortured and heavily conditioned by a morality which is not moral; because society encourages greed, competition, ambition etc which are essentially immoral and the 'moral respectability' of society is utterly disorderly."
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That's pure poetry. Fuck knows what you're actually saying but you said it beautifully! |
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By *oserMan
over a year ago
where the wild roses grow |
"Same plonkers different cap, our parochial views and nod and wink approach to life has us in the position we are in.
Inherited through generations of NIMBYism and mè feiner attitudes.
To paraphrase Krishnamurti
"We have created a society and that society has conditioned us. Our minds are tortured and heavily conditioned by a morality which is not moral; because society encourages greed, competition, ambition etc which are essentially immoral and the 'moral respectability' of society is utterly disorderly."
That's pure poetry. Fuck knows what you're actually saying but you said it beautifully! "
Pmsl
I should probably have added..
"A mind that has been trained for years to accept, to obey and conform, cannot possibly be highly sensitive and therefore highly virtuous. We are caught in this trap."
Baaaaa baaaa |
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"Same plonkers different cap, our parochial views and nod and wink approach to life has us in the position we are in.
Inherited through generations of NIMBYism and mè feiner attitudes.
To paraphrase Krishnamurti
"We have created a society and that society has conditioned us. Our minds are tortured and heavily conditioned by a morality which is not moral; because society encourages greed, competition, ambition etc which are essentially immoral and the 'moral respectability' of society is utterly disorderly."
That's pure poetry. Fuck knows what you're actually saying but you said it beautifully!
Pmsl
I should probably have added..
"A mind that has been trained for years to accept, to obey and conform, cannot possibly be highly sensitive and therefore highly virtuous. We are caught in this trap."
Baaaaa baaaa "
I cane a little just there..  |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"Same plonkers different cap, our parochial views and nod and wink approach to life has us in the position we are in.
Inherited through generations of NIMBYism and mè feiner attitudes.
To paraphrase Krishnamurti
"We have created a society and that society has conditioned us. Our minds are tortured and heavily conditioned by a morality which is not moral; because society encourages greed, competition, ambition etc which are essentially immoral and the 'moral respectability' of society is utterly disorderly."
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So do we get the leaders we deserve? |
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By *oserMan
over a year ago
where the wild roses grow |
"Same plonkers different cap, our parochial views and nod and wink approach to life has us in the position we are in.
Inherited through generations of NIMBYism and mè feiner attitudes.
To paraphrase Krishnamurti
"We have created a society and that society has conditioned us. Our minds are tortured and heavily conditioned by a morality which is not moral; because society encourages greed, competition, ambition etc which are essentially immoral and the 'moral respectability' of society is utterly disorderly."
So do we get the leaders we deserve?"
I think our choice is mute, it would take a tidal wave of change to get the leaders we want!
Im not even sure they exist.. |
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"Same plonkers different cap, our parochial views and nod and wink approach to life has us in the position we are in.
Inherited through generations of NIMBYism and mè feiner attitudes.
To paraphrase Krishnamurti
"We have created a society and that society has conditioned us. Our minds are tortured and heavily conditioned by a morality which is not moral; because society encourages greed, competition, ambition etc which are essentially immoral and the 'moral respectability' of society is utterly disorderly."
So do we get the leaders we deserve?
I think our choice is mute, it would take a tidal wave of change to get the leaders we want!
Im not even sure they exist.."
If they don't exist then we are merely searching for utopia, and that doesn't exist either. Of course they exist. All they have to be is normal people like the rest of us. The problem is that we all have completely different views and ideas for fixing things. A good leader is a mish mash of all those who is capable of pulling all the different strands together to weave a tapestry that everyone can claim they are a part of.
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Now who's fucking poetic?  |
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By *oserMan
over a year ago
where the wild roses grow |
"Same plonkers different cap, our parochial views and nod and wink approach to life has us in the position we are in.
Inherited through generations of NIMBYism and mè feiner attitudes.
To paraphrase Krishnamurti
"We have created a society and that society has conditioned us. Our minds are tortured and heavily conditioned by a morality which is not moral; because society encourages greed, competition, ambition etc which are essentially immoral and the 'moral respectability' of society is utterly disorderly."
So do we get the leaders we deserve?
I think our choice is mute, it would take a tidal wave of change to get the leaders we want!
Im not even sure they exist..
A good leader is a mish mash of all those who is capable of pulling all the different strands together to weave a tapestry that everyone can claim they are a part of.
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Now who's fucking poetic? "
The strands being pulled are all one direction Mick, is mary lou really the answer? ..
Beautifully put by the way |
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By *oserMan
over a year ago
where the wild roses grow |
"Same plonkers different cap, our parochial views and nod and wink approach to life has us in the position we are in.
Inherited through generations of NIMBYism and mè feiner attitudes.
To paraphrase Krishnamurti
"We have created a society and that society has conditioned us. Our minds are tortured and heavily conditioned by a morality which is not moral; because society encourages greed, competition, ambition etc which are essentially immoral and the 'moral respectability' of society is utterly disorderly."
So do we get the leaders we deserve?
I think our choice is mute, it would take a tidal wave of change to get the leaders we want!
Im not even sure they exist..
A good leader is a mish mash of all those who is capable of pulling all the different strands together to weave a tapestry that everyone can claim they are a part of.
.
Now who's fucking poetic?
The strands being pulled are all one direction Mick, is mary lou really the answer? ..
Beautifully put by the way "
Woops ment to paraphrase your post |
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"Same plonkers different cap, our parochial views and nod and wink approach to life has us in the position we are in.
Inherited through generations of NIMBYism and mè feiner attitudes.
To paraphrase Krishnamurti
"We have created a society and that society has conditioned us. Our minds are tortured and heavily conditioned by a morality which is not moral; because society encourages greed, competition, ambition etc which are essentially immoral and the 'moral respectability' of society is utterly disorderly."
So do we get the leaders we deserve?
I think our choice is mute, it would take a tidal wave of change to get the leaders we want!
Im not even sure they exist..
A good leader is a mish mash of all those who is capable of pulling all the different strands together to weave a tapestry that everyone can claim they are a part of.
.
Now who's fucking poetic?
The strands being pulled are all one direction Mick, is mary lou really the answer? ..
Beautifully put by the way "
Well Mary Lou will never be Taoiseach so no, she's not the answer on her own. She may be part of the answer though. I'm not her biggest fan as it happens. I'd prefer to see Pearse Doherty leading SF but he's not interested in leadership at the moment. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"Same plonkers different cap, our parochial views and nod and wink approach to life has us in the position we are in.
Inherited through generations of NIMBYism and mè feiner attitudes.
To paraphrase Krishnamurti
"We have created a society and that society has conditioned us. Our minds are tortured and heavily conditioned by a morality which is not moral; because society encourages greed, competition, ambition etc which are essentially immoral and the 'moral respectability' of society is utterly disorderly."
So do we get the leaders we deserve?
I think our choice is mute, it would take a tidal wave of change to get the leaders we want!
Im not even sure they exist..
A good leader is a mish mash of all those who is capable of pulling all the different strands together to weave a tapestry that everyone can claim they are a part of.
.
Now who's fucking poetic?
The strands being pulled are all one direction Mick, is mary lou really the answer? ..
Beautifully put by the way "
Well the PDs have come and gone (thank christ), the Greens and Labour still haven't recovered from being human shields for FF. PBP are a protest vote. The military campaign maybe over but SF are still fighting a cultural war this side of the border. There's no doubt that they have FF worried. I still see them as trying to all things to all (wo)men. |
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"Same plonkers different cap, our parochial views and nod and wink approach to life has us in the position we are in.
Inherited through generations of NIMBYism and mè feiner attitudes.
To paraphrase Krishnamurti
"We have created a society and that society has conditioned us. Our minds are tortured and heavily conditioned by a morality which is not moral; because society encourages greed, competition, ambition etc which are essentially immoral and the 'moral respectability' of society is utterly disorderly."
So do we get the leaders we deserve?
I think our choice is mute, it would take a tidal wave of change to get the leaders we want!
Im not even sure they exist..
A good leader is a mish mash of all those who is capable of pulling all the different strands together to weave a tapestry that everyone can claim they are a part of.
.
Now who's fucking poetic?
The strands being pulled are all one direction Mick, is mary lou really the answer? ..
Beautifully put by the way
Well the PDs have come and gone (thank christ), the Greens and Labour still haven't recovered from being human shields for FF. PBP are a protest vote. The military campaign maybe over but SF are still fighting a cultural war this side of the border. There's no doubt that they have FF worried. I still see them as trying to all things to all (wo)men."
You could probably say that about all opposition parties. Sf have however always had their alternative budget costed but the department of finance though so that's a bit above just shouting what the masses want to hear. |
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"Don’t need election polls say be same to parties back in government again "
Polls taken after the election is called may be different to beforehand. The electorate will surely be looking to punish someone. The current poll of polls since the last election suggests the three main parties will each increase in size. Voters could decide to punish either the opposition for bringing it all down or the government for not sorting out the mess. The homeless and housing crisis will presumably pay a part as well. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"Same plonkers different cap, our parochial views and nod and wink approach to life has us in the position we are in.
Inherited through generations of NIMBYism and mè feiner attitudes.
To paraphrase Krishnamurti
"We have created a society and that society has conditioned us. Our minds are tortured and heavily conditioned by a morality which is not moral; because society encourages greed, competition, ambition etc which are essentially immoral and the 'moral respectability' of society is utterly disorderly."
So do we get the leaders we deserve?
I think our choice is mute, it would take a tidal wave of change to get the leaders we want!
Im not even sure they exist..
A good leader is a mish mash of all those who is capable of pulling all the different strands together to weave a tapestry that everyone can claim they are a part of.
.
Now who's fucking poetic?
The strands being pulled are all one direction Mick, is mary lou really the answer? ..
Beautifully put by the way
Well the PDs have come and gone (thank christ), the Greens and Labour still haven't recovered from being human shields for FF. PBP are a protest vote. The military campaign maybe over but SF are still fighting a cultural war this side of the border. There's no doubt that they have FF worried. I still see them as trying to all things to all (wo)men.
You could probably say that about all opposition parties. Sf have however always had their alternative budget costed but the department of finance though so that's a bit above just shouting what the masses want to hear. "
Probably say what about all opposition parties parties exactly? SF are the only ones on both sides of the border and having to present and market themselves differently. They are within an asses roar of getting into Govt in the Republic. They have raised their game massively in the Republic. This side of the border things are still a bit more entrenched and tribal. In some ways the Northern situation is holding them back.
The UK is in chaos right now, the brexit issue had serious implications for the all Ireland economy. I'm hoping that Fitzgerald resigns to avoid an election. The timing couldn't be any worse. Coveney has been more impressive than Flanagan was as FA minister and given the lack of Govt here, at least he has been seeing the all ireland picture. |
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Nothing will change.
Irish people are too afraid to take a hit in their pockets to do anything about it.
All of you know FF and FG are up to their necks in bailing out bankers, developers, and cops while leaving ordinary people to die homeless on the street, and bullying them to shut their mouths.
If you vote FF or FG then you know in your heart you're just picking either person A or person B to get the brown envelopes, and thats as far as your vote will ever go. |
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Probably say what about all opposition parties parties exactly?
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That was in reference to your comment about SF trying to be all things to all people.
As for Coveney, he's a cut above everyone else in that party as far as I'm concerned. He's also a more likeable character than Leo in my opinion. |
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