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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I honestly can't understand it. To look at him he seems like a nice guy. I watched the video and for a moment felt sorry for him being surrounded by English people but suddenly I realised why they were there. He is fucked and quite rightly so. His life is ruined and fuck the cunt. An educated man in a good job. What the fuck. He has a wife but I pray he has no children. It just hope his family don't suffer for his actions. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Have seen lots of these on social media lately -I m all for catching these bastards but putting it in social for the whole world to see puts innocent family members etc in danger too.
In my opinion it's the wrong way to go about it !! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Hmmmm...I Googled it and don't like the premise at all - so called dogooders - where do you draw the line? What other areas could this "activity" branch into?
Technically is it grooming if the person on the other end is an adult pretending?
One could argue that you were simply playing the catfish at their own game? |
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By *un17Man
over a year ago
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I have to say I really felt sorry for his wife It was a horrible way to find out what the prick was up to apperantly he will only get a suspended sentence but his comfortable life is over |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I remember first hearing the term vigilante in the early 80s growing up in the inner city, or concerned parents against drugs as the liked to refer to themselves...they did not solve the drugs problem, but a lot of communities felt safer as a result of their action. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Hmmmm...I Googled it and don't like the premise at all - so called dogooders - where do you draw the line? What other areas could this "activity" branch into?
Technically is it grooming if the person on the other end is an adult pretending?
One could argue that you were simply playing the catfish at their own game? "
I think with paedophiles its not so much the entrapment that is the issue, its the corroborating evidence that becomes the focus, hard drives etc. |
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This guy has a wife and kids.
It would have been bad enough for them if this was done without the surrounding publicity but to do it this was is heartless as it shows total disregard to innocent parties and leaves them shamed for life |
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
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Technically is it grooming if the person on the other end is an adult pretending?
One could argue that you were simply playing the catfish at their own game? "
Yes it is grooming. If I sold you a bag of baking soda it is drug dealing if it can be proven you were buying it thinking it was drugs |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This guy has a wife and kids.
It would have been bad enough for them if this was done without the surrounding publicity but to do it this was is heartless as it shows total disregard to innocent parties and leaves them shamed for life"
What about innocent children who are subjected to abuse everyday from paedophiles like this guy. I might disagree with their methods, but if it helps take another predatory animal off our streets is that not a good thing? |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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"Let the police do their job, vigilantes can get it wrong more often than not, mob justice is for the dark ages  "
Social or online shaming is the new mob justice. There was a incident here a couple a weeks ago with a group called Silent Justice. They broadcast using Facebook live. Another victim of theirs took his pwn life after they confronted him.
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By *aid backMan
over a year ago
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the problem is that the sentencing for these types of crimes are way too lenient. look how many priests and others have got a slap on the wrist for abusing children most of the time it was brushed under the carpet.if it was my child that someone groomed or molested being outed on social media would be the least of their worries. |
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Well I say there doing a great job cos it's to handy for them to get kids now a days just go on line and and they start grooming them well now they might think twice if they think it's someone trying to catfish them it will have it way harder for them so fair play to theses people that take time out of there life to try and better the world of the filth |
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The end result is the right one for sure. I don't think anyone can argue with that. But I have reservations. To me, the methodology isn't the problem, its the people delivering it.
If this was a security services driven action, I would be completely 100% behind it with no reservations. I just have an aversion to people taking the law into their own hands, because amateurs can fuck up. Security Services are trained in what they can and cannot do and understand the potential for collateral damage. This group displayed no concern for the collateral damage. The same net result could have been achieved without the hype. Leaking to the press / posting to social media creates an immediate public lynching - i.e. most people make up their minds there and then and mentally hang the guy. This is not the proper way to do it - maybe one case in a thousand they actually get the wrong person - its a possibility. Proper, organised security forces personnel would not do it this way. They would arrest, present the evidence etc. without actively publishing the sting.
I am not sure, maybe our Security personnel are not allowed to entrap - but if not, maybe they should be. A dodgy area I know, but there are certain crimes where catching the person afterwards is a failure. Child abuse is one of them. We need to catch these people before they commit the crime. We catch them on a lesser charge maybe - but we catch them at something which flags them. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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"The end result is the right one for sure. I don't think anyone can argue with that. But I have reservations. To me, the methodology isn't the problem, its the people delivering it.
If this was a security services driven action, I would be completely 100% behind it with no reservations. I just have an aversion to people taking the law into their own hands, because amateurs can fuck up. Security Services are trained in what they can and cannot do and understand the potential for collateral damage. This group displayed no concern for the collateral damage. The same net result could have been achieved without the hype. Leaking to the press / posting to social media creates an immediate public lynching - i.e. most people make up their minds there and then and mentally hang the guy. This is not the proper way to do it - maybe one case in a thousand they actually get the wrong person - its a possibility. Proper, organised security forces personnel would not do it this way. They would arrest, present the evidence etc. without actively publishing the sting.
I am not sure, maybe our Security personnel are not allowed to entrap - but if not, maybe they should be. A dodgy area I know, but there are certain crimes where catching the person afterwards is a failure. Child abuse is one of them. We need to catch these people before they commit the crime. We catch them on a lesser charge maybe - but we catch them at something which flags them."
In theory yes, but law enforcement is way behind the curve when it comes to Internet related crime. Hence the opening for the vigilantes. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The end result is the right one for sure. I don't think anyone can argue with that. But I have reservations. To me, the methodology isn't the problem, its the people delivering it.
If this was a security services driven action, I would be completely 100% behind it with no reservations. I just have an aversion to people taking the law into their own hands, because amateurs can fuck up. Security Services are trained in what they can and cannot do and understand the potential for collateral damage. This group displayed no concern for the collateral damage. The same net result could have been achieved without the hype. Leaking to the press / posting to social media creates an immediate public lynching - i.e. most people make up their minds there and then and mentally hang the guy. This is not the proper way to do it - maybe one case in a thousand they actually get the wrong person - its a possibility. Proper, organised security forces personnel would not do it this way. They would arrest, present the evidence etc. without actively publishing the sting.
I am not sure, maybe our Security personnel are not allowed to entrap - but if not, maybe they should be. A dodgy area I know, but there are certain crimes where catching the person afterwards is a failure. Child abuse is one of them. We need to catch these people before they commit the crime. We catch them on a lesser charge maybe - but we catch them at something which flags them."
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"The end result is the right one for sure. I don't think anyone can argue with that. But I have reservations. To me, the methodology isn't the problem, its the people delivering it.
If this was a security services driven action, I would be completely 100% behind it with no reservations. I just have an aversion to people taking the law into their own hands, because amateurs can fuck up. Security Services are trained in what they can and cannot do and understand the potential for collateral damage. This group displayed no concern for the collateral damage. The same net result could have been achieved without the hype. Leaking to the press / posting to social media creates an immediate public lynching - i.e. most people make up their minds there and then and mentally hang the guy. This is not the proper way to do it - maybe one case in a thousand they actually get the wrong person - its a possibility. Proper, organised security forces personnel would not do it this way. They would arrest, present the evidence etc. without actively publishing the sting.
I am not sure, maybe our Security personnel are not allowed to entrap - but if not, maybe they should be. A dodgy area I know, but there are certain crimes where catching the person afterwards is a failure. Child abuse is one of them. We need to catch these people before they commit the crime. We catch them on a lesser charge maybe - but we catch them at something which flags them.
In theory yes, but law enforcement is way behind the curve when it comes to Internet related crime. Hence the opening for the vigilantes."
Yeah. I guess your right. The correct way of doing it though is with properly constituted agencies. That said...we would know feck all about yer man if it wasnt for the vigils. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"the problem is that the sentencing for these types of crimes are way too lenient. look how many priests and others have got a slap on the wrist for abusing children most of the time it was brushed under the carpet.if it was my child that someone groomed or molested being outed on social media would be the least of their worries. "
What would you do so? Organise a social for him? |
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