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By *oghunter33 OP   Woman  over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

....I learnt yesterday that there are women in this world that never lady-wank and never have. Why? I can't get my head around it tbh.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Shock horror.....

How can you enjoy some else if you can't enjoy yourself?

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By *relandboy1Man  over a year ago

Dublin

Lady wank that's good, so polite yet everybody knows what it is

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Say it ain't so!!!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" Say it ain't so!!!"

Bold girl you'all have to show them the way lol

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By *etmebeurfantasyWoman  over a year ago

My town

Its quite common I know a few ladies that don't.... Have no interest....

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Its quite common I know a few ladies that don't.... Have no interest.... "

I'd say they are great craic

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" Say it ain't so!!!"

Oh it is

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

It's because we have people to that it for us

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It's because we have people to that it for us

"

manservants

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By *ichael McCarthyMan  over a year ago

Lucan


"It's because we have people to that it for us

"

Surrogate lady wankers?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It's because we have people to that it for us

manservants"

Willing victims

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It's because we have people to that it for us

Surrogate lady wankers? "

Exactly.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It's because we have people to that it for us

manservants

Willing victims "

Even not so willing

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It's because we have people to that it for us

manservants"

Willing to bow before and serve my lady x

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" Say it ain't so!!!

Oh it is "

I'd have to be sedated. I'm a danger to society if I don't release

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By *oghunter33 OP   Woman  over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"Its quite common I know a few ladies that don't.... Have no interest.... "

No interest!!! ...a life without horniness, that would be my worst nightmare

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" Say it ain't so!!!

Oh it is

I'd have to be sedated. I'm a danger to society if I don't release "

Oh I could take it or leave it

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By *oghunter33 OP   Woman  over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"It's because we have people to that it for us

Surrogate lady wankers?

Exactly. "

Ergo you wank

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Its quite common I know a few ladies that don't.... Have no interest....

No interest!!! ...a life without horniness, that would be my worst nightmare "

I'm right there with you on this DH ...... a Lady wank a day an amazing stress buster & keeps all those horny thoughts to the fore soooooo many to explore ...... ''tis a goooood thing me reckons

Cheers Risqué

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By *ontbesillywrapyourwillyMan  over a year ago

Tipperary

I also read that one should never wank, male or female. I tried once. Lasted 2 days

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By *j47Man  over a year ago

limerick

They are liars never heard such bollix every body at some stage explores it's just some of us have become intrepid explorers

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I class it up there with my 5-a-day... going without either is bad for the health lol...

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By *oghunter33 OP   Woman  over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

12 reasons why women should masturbate

1. It makes you happier.

2. You become more comfortable with your body.

3. It can improve your sex life.

4. It helps you sleep.

5. It’s a great way to release sexual tension.

6. Masturbating can ease body aches and menstrual pain.

7. It relieves stress.

8. Masturbation helps your body stay sexual... even when you’re not having sex.

9. If you’re in a relationship, it’s a great way to mix things up — and keep you coming back for more.

10. Multiple. Orgasms.

11. There are no downsides to it.

12. It feels f*&^%$! amazing.

Why oh why would you want to miss out on all this!

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By *isdirtygirlWoman  over a year ago

Dublin


"12 reasons why women should masturbate

1. It makes you happier.

2. You become more comfortable with your body.

3. It can improve your sex life.

4. It helps you sleep.

5. It’s a great way to release sexual tension.

6. Masturbating can ease body aches and menstrual pain.

7. It relieves stress.

8. Masturbation helps your body stay sexual... even when you’re not having sex.

9. If you’re in a relationship, it’s a great way to mix things up — and keep you coming back for more.

10. Multiple. Orgasms.

11. There are no downsides to it.

12. It feels f*&^%$! amazing.

Why oh why would you want to miss out on all this!

"

DH i agree with all of the above!

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By *illbillMan  over a year ago

dublin


"12 reasons why women should masturbate

1. It makes you happier.

2. You become more comfortable with your body.

3. It can improve your sex life.

4. It helps you sleep.

5. It’s a great way to release sexual tension.

6. Masturbating can ease body aches and menstrual pain.

7. It relieves stress.

8. Masturbation helps your body stay sexual... even when you’re not having sex.

9. If you’re in a relationship, it’s a great way to mix things up — and keep you coming back for more.

10. Multiple. Orgasms.

11. There are no downsides to it.

12. It feels f*&^%$! amazing.

Why oh why would you want to miss out on all this!

DH i agree with all of the above! "

plus u never have to fake it

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By *unlinguyMan  over a year ago

South Dublin

How many of them are lyin through their teeth when saying that they never do it?

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By *ornyandwellhungMan  over a year ago

belfast


"....I learnt yesterday that there are women in this world that never lady-wank and never have. Why? I can't get my head around it tbh. "

Maybe they are getting loads of the real thing!

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By *isdirtygirlWoman  over a year ago

Dublin


"12 reasons why women should masturbate

1. It makes you happier.

2. You become more comfortable with your body.

3. It can improve your sex life.

4. It helps you sleep.

5. It’s a great way to release sexual tension.

6. Masturbating can ease body aches and menstrual pain.

7. It relieves stress.

8. Masturbation helps your body stay sexual... even when you’re not having sex.

9. If you’re in a relationship, it’s a great way to mix things up — and keep you coming back for more.

10. Multiple. Orgasms.

11. There are no downsides to it.

12. It feels f*&^%$! amazing.

Why oh why would you want to miss out on all this!

DH i agree with all of the above! plus u never have to fake it"

I taught you so well Bill!

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By *j47Man  over a year ago

limerick


"12 reasons why women should masturbate

1. It makes you happier.

2. You become more comfortable with your body.

3. It can improve your sex life.

4. It helps you sleep.

5. It’s a great way to release sexual tension.

6. Masturbating can ease body aches and menstrual pain.

7. It relieves stress.

8. Masturbation helps your body stay sexual... even when you’re not having sex.

9. If you’re in a relationship, it’s a great way to mix things up — and keep you coming back for more.

10. Multiple. Orgasms.

11. There are no downsides to it.

12. It feels f*&^%$! amazing.

Why oh why would you want to miss out on all this!

DH i agree with all of the above! plus u never have to fake it

I taught you so well Bill! "

U mean women fake orgasm ffs what next

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By *illbillMan  over a year ago

dublin


"12 reasons why women should masturbate

1. It makes you happier.

2. You become more comfortable with your body.

3. It can improve your sex life.

4. It helps you sleep.

5. It’s a great way to release sexual tension.

6. Masturbating can ease body aches and menstrual pain.

7. It relieves stress.

8. Masturbation helps your body stay sexual... even when you’re not having sex.

9. If you’re in a relationship, it’s a great way to mix things up — and keep you coming back for more.

10. Multiple. Orgasms.

11. There are no downsides to it.

12. It feels f*&^%$! amazing.

Why oh why would you want to miss out on all this!

DH i agree with all of the above! plus u never have to fake it

I taught you so well Bill! "

I learned from the best lol

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By *isdirtygirlWoman  over a year ago

Dublin


"12 reasons why women should masturbate

1. It makes you happier.

2. You become more comfortable with your body.

3. It can improve your sex life.

4. It helps you sleep.

5. It’s a great way to release sexual tension.

6. Masturbating can ease body aches and menstrual pain.

7. It relieves stress.

8. Masturbation helps your body stay sexual... even when you’re not having sex.

9. If you’re in a relationship, it’s a great way to mix things up — and keep you coming back for more.

10. Multiple. Orgasms.

11. There are no downsides to it.

12. It feels f*&^%$! amazing.

Why oh why would you want to miss out on all this!

DH i agree with all of the above! plus u never have to fake it

I taught you so well Bill!

U mean women fake orgasm ffs what next "

Who have you been doing the do with CJ? In all honesty i do not fake orgasms... its a waste of my breath!

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By *razy-CplCouple  over a year ago

and surrounding areas


"Its quite common I know a few ladies that don't.... Have no interest.... "

Im one of those women who dont , the only time i do ocassionally is during play , other than that ive no interest in it

Mrs crazy

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By *illbillMan  over a year ago

dublin


"12 reasons why women should masturbate

1. It makes you happier.

2. You become more comfortable with your body.

3. It can improve your sex life.

4. It helps you sleep.

5. It’s a great way to release sexual tension.

6. Masturbating can ease body aches and menstrual pain.

7. It relieves stress.

8. Masturbation helps your body stay sexual... even when you’re not having sex.

9. If you’re in a relationship, it’s a great way to mix things up — and keep you coming back for more.

10. Multiple. Orgasms.

11. There are no downsides to it.

12. It feels f*&^%$! amazing.

Why oh why would you want to miss out on all this!

DH i agree with all of the above! plus u never have to fake it

I taught you so well Bill!

U mean women fake orgasm ffs what next

Who have you been doing the do with CJ? In all honesty i do not fake orgasms... its a waste of my breath! "

I faked one once ...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I love a good lady wank!

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By *j47Man  over a year ago

limerick


"12 reasons why women should masturbate

1. It makes you happier.

2. You become more comfortable with your body.

3. It can improve your sex life.

4. It helps you sleep.

5. It’s a great way to release sexual tension.

6. Masturbating can ease body aches and menstrual pain.

7. It relieves stress.

8. Masturbation helps your body stay sexual... even when you’re not having sex.

9. If you’re in a relationship, it’s a great way to mix things up — and keep you coming back for more.

10. Multiple. Orgasms.

11. There are no downsides to it.

12. It feels f*&^%$! amazing.

Why oh why would you want to miss out on all this!

DH i agree with all of the above! plus u never have to fake it

I taught you so well Bill!

U mean women fake orgasm ffs what next

Who have you been doing the do with CJ? In all honesty i do not fake orgasms... its a waste of my breath! "

The mere suggestion has me wondering wheather they did or not how can I tell their real cum face from their fake one

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I love a good lady wank!

"

Bet you've a lovely fanny!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"12 reasons why women should masturbate

1. It makes you happier.

2. You become more comfortable with your body.

3. It can improve your sex life.

4. It helps you sleep.

5. It’s a great way to release sexual tension.

6. Masturbating can ease body aches and menstrual pain.

7. It relieves stress.

8. Masturbation helps your body stay sexual... even when you’re not having sex.

9. If you’re in a relationship, it’s a great way to mix things up — and keep you coming back for more.

10. Multiple. Orgasms.

11. There are no downsides to it.

12. It feels f*&^%$! amazing.

Why oh why would you want to miss out on all this!

"

Oh, this!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

OFF WITH THEIR HEADS.

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By *isdirtygirlWoman  over a year ago

Dublin


"12 reasons why women should masturbate

1. It makes you happier.

2. You become more comfortable with your body.

3. It can improve your sex life.

4. It helps you sleep.

5. It’s a great way to release sexual tension.

6. Masturbating can ease body aches and menstrual pain.

7. It relieves stress.

8. Masturbation helps your body stay sexual... even when you’re not having sex.

9. If you’re in a relationship, it’s a great way to mix things up — and keep you coming back for more.

10. Multiple. Orgasms.

11. There are no downsides to it.

12. It feels f*&^%$! amazing.

Why oh why would you want to miss out on all this!

DH i agree with all of the above! plus u never have to fake it

I taught you so well Bill!

U mean women fake orgasm ffs what next

Who have you been doing the do with CJ? In all honesty i do not fake orgasms... its a waste of my breath!

The mere suggestion has me wondering wheather they did or not how can I tell their real cum face from their fake one "

Ehhh youd know by the vaginal fluid... fuck the cum face!!

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By *oghunter33 OP   Woman  over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"12 reasons why women should masturbate

1. It makes you happier.

2. You become more comfortable with your body.

3. It can improve your sex life.

4. It helps you sleep.

5. It’s a great way to release sexual tension.

6. Masturbating can ease body aches and menstrual pain.

7. It relieves stress.

8. Masturbation helps your body stay sexual... even when you’re not having sex.

9. If you’re in a relationship, it’s a great way to mix things up — and keep you coming back for more.

10. Multiple. Orgasms.

11. There are no downsides to it.

12. It feels f*&^%$! amazing.

Why oh why would you want to miss out on all this!

DH i agree with all of the above! plus u never have to fake it

I taught you so well Bill!

U mean women fake orgasm ffs what next

Who have you been doing the do with CJ? In all honesty i do not fake orgasms... its a waste of my breath!

The mere suggestion has me wondering wheather they did or not how can I tell their real cum face from their fake one "

If they look still nice it's fake, if the grimace is nearly unbearable it's real.

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By *j47Man  over a year ago

limerick


"12 reasons why women should masturbate

1. It makes you happier.

2. You become more comfortable with your body.

3. It can improve your sex life.

4. It helps you sleep.

5. It’s a great way to release sexual tension.

6. Masturbating can ease body aches and menstrual pain.

7. It relieves stress.

8. Masturbation helps your body stay sexual... even when you’re not having sex.

9. If you’re in a relationship, it’s a great way to mix things up — and keep you coming back for more.

10. Multiple. Orgasms.

11. There are no downsides to it.

12. It feels f*&^%$! amazing.

Why oh why would you want to miss out on all this!

DH i agree with all of the above! plus u never have to fake it

I taught you so well Bill!

U mean women fake orgasm ffs what next

Who have you been doing the do with CJ? In all honesty i do not fake orgasms... its a waste of my breath!

The mere suggestion has me wondering wheather they did or not how can I tell their real cum face from their fake one

If they look still nice it's fake, if the grimace is nearly unbearable it's real. "

Mmm going to have be in front of a morrow if we doing it doggie

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By *oghunter33 OP   Woman  over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"12 reasons why women should masturbate

1. It makes you happier.

2. You become more comfortable with your body.

3. It can improve your sex life.

4. It helps you sleep.

5. It’s a great way to release sexual tension.

6. Masturbating can ease body aches and menstrual pain.

7. It relieves stress.

8. Masturbation helps your body stay sexual... even when you’re not having sex.

9. If you’re in a relationship, it’s a great way to mix things up — and keep you coming back for more.

10. Multiple. Orgasms.

11. There are no downsides to it.

12. It feels f*&^%$! amazing.

Why oh why would you want to miss out on all this!

DH i agree with all of the above! plus u never have to fake it

I taught you so well Bill!

U mean women fake orgasm ffs what next

Who have you been doing the do with CJ? In all honesty i do not fake orgasms... its a waste of my breath!

The mere suggestion has me wondering wheather they did or not how can I tell their real cum face from their fake one

If they look still nice it's fake, if the grimace is nearly unbearable it's real.

Mmm going to have be in front of a morrow if we doing it doggie "

Should you try that with me I'm telling you already it's fake, I don't cum doggy.

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By *j47Man  over a year ago

limerick


"12 reasons why women should masturbate

1. It makes you happier.

2. You become more comfortable with your body.

3. It can improve your sex life.

4. It helps you sleep.

5. It’s a great way to release sexual tension.

6. Masturbating can ease body aches and menstrual pain.

7. It relieves stress.

8. Masturbation helps your body stay sexual... even when you’re not having sex.

9. If you’re in a relationship, it’s a great way to mix things up — and keep you coming back for more.

10. Multiple. Orgasms.

11. There are no downsides to it.

12. It feels f*&^%$! amazing.

Why oh why would you want to miss out on all this!

DH i agree with all of the above! plus u never have to fake it

I taught you so well Bill!

U mean women fake orgasm ffs what next

Who have you been doing the do with CJ? In all honesty i do not fake orgasms... its a waste of my breath!

The mere suggestion has me wondering wheather they did or not how can I tell their real cum face from their fake one

If they look still nice it's fake, if the grimace is nearly unbearable it's real.

Mmm going to have be in front of a morrow if we doing it doggie

Should you try that with me I'm telling you already it's fake, I don't cum doggy. "

Noted

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Ok so wasn't going to post but thought what the hell

I've gone months without a lady wank and gone years without sex, and survived, I put it down to one not been body confident, not experienced a loving relationship of any sort where a guy has made me feel that I'm worthy to be loved etc which I guess I'm turn made me feel why bother, and yes I have heard all the crap love yourself blah blah the right one will come along. Well he must have got ran over at this stage. So it's not that odd I'm not weird, I look after my lady garden, and as for the lady wanking I'm learning lol

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By *j47Man  over a year ago

limerick


"Ok so wasn't going to post but thought what the hell

I've gone months without a lady wank and gone years without sex, and survived, I put it down to one not been body confident, not experienced a loving relationship of any sort where a guy has made me feel that I'm worthy to be loved etc which I guess I'm turn made me feel why bother, and yes I have heard all the crap love yourself blah blah the right one will come along. Well he must have got ran over at this stage. So it's not that odd I'm not weird, I look after my lady garden, and as for the lady wanking I'm learning lol"

Any day u leading ur alive the day when u don't learn something pinch yours self to be sure ur still alive

Now if u need someone to watch u lady wank I am free

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By *oghunter33 OP   Woman  over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"Ok so wasn't going to post but thought what the hell

I've gone months without a lady wank and gone years without sex, and survived, I put it down to one not been body confident, not experienced a loving relationship of any sort where a guy has made me feel that I'm worthy to be loved etc which I guess I'm turn made me feel why bother, and yes I have heard all the crap love yourself blah blah the right one will come along. Well he must have got ran over at this stage. So it's not that odd I'm not weird, I look after my lady garden, and as for the lady wanking I'm learning lol"

keep on lady wanking and enjoy yourself when you meet! You deserve it!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Ok so wasn't going to post but thought what the hell

I've gone months without a lady wank and gone years without sex, and survived, I put it down to one not been body confident, not experienced a loving relationship of any sort where a guy has made me feel that I'm worthy to be loved etc which I guess I'm turn made me feel why bother, and yes I have heard all the crap love yourself blah blah the right one will come along. Well he must have got ran over at this stage. So it's not that odd I'm not weird, I look after my lady garden, and as for the lady wanking I'm learning lol"

Right there with you.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"12 reasons why women should masturbate

1. It makes you happier.

2. You become more comfortable with your body.

3. It can improve your sex life.

4. It helps you sleep.

5. It’s a great way to release sexual tension.

6. Masturbating can ease body aches and menstrual pain.

7. It relieves stress.

8. Masturbation helps your body stay sexual... even when you’re not having sex.

9. If you’re in a relationship, it’s a great way to mix things up — and keep you coming back for more.

10. Multiple. Orgasms.

11. There are no downsides to it.

12. It feels f*&^%$! amazing.

Why oh why would you want to miss out on all this!

DH i agree with all of the above! plus u never have to fake it

I taught you so well Bill!

U mean women fake orgasm ffs what next

Who have you been doing the do with CJ? In all honesty i do not fake orgasms... its a waste of my breath!

The mere suggestion has me wondering wheather they did or not how can I tell their real cum face from their fake one

Ehhh youd know by the vaginal fluid... fuck the cum face!! "

Cum face?

You should see it when there's a cumsnot!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I love a good lady wank!

Bet you've a lovely fanny! "

You should try it sometime, it's a 'squirter'

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By *ohndunboyneMan  over a year ago

Dunboyne & Dublin

I've spoken to more than one lady here who says they never have. Had relatively long chats with them and I felt they were being genuine, so no reason to disbelieve. They said they just wanted to enjoy sex. Each to their own I guess and as long as everyone is happy, C'est la vie.

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By *0shadesofashWoman  over a year ago

DUBLIN

Loads of my friends don't do it at all and are freaked that I do it so much I squirt on them when they give out shuts them up very quickly

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By *unlinguyMan  over a year ago

South Dublin


"Loads of my friends don't do it at all and are freaked that I do it so much I squirt on them when they give out shuts them up very quickly "

Wonders how many people are now wanting to give out to you right about now lol

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Its quite common I know a few ladies that don't.... Have no interest.... "

I think you're on the money, went out with a girl for ten years and she never lady wanked, I asked why, she said girls don't do it including her friends.

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By *oghunter33 OP   Woman  over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"I've spoken to more than one lady here who says they never have. Had relatively long chats with them and I felt they were being genuine, so no reason to disbelieve. They said they just wanted to enjoy sex. Each to their own I guess and as long as everyone is happy, C'est la vie.

"

Each on their own of course. Just on a small note I enjoy my sex too despite wanking respectively even more because I know my body.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Loads of my friends don't do it at all and are freaked that I do it so much I squirt on them when they give out shuts them up very quickly "

Can see it now...

having a chat with Ash,

she disagrees,

whips down the cacks takes aim and .... splash

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I'm with you on this DH,couldn't survive without one especially when I'm perving at hot profiles .

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

it natural to release that sensation

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

alot of woman wont but it will get to a stage where your body tells you to do it lol

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I couldn't survive.

I think a lot lie about it as it's seen to be taboo or embarrassing....in 2017!

Obviously some women Get enough play that they don't need to; but some of us aren't that lucky

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Before in my previous vanilla life I never masturbated.

Now I do. Love it.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Funny I met a woman recently who used a vibrator but never played with her own clitoris.

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By *oghunter33 OP   Woman  over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"I couldn't survive.

I think a lot lie about it as it's seen to be taboo or embarrassing....in 2017!

Obviously some women Get enough play that they don't need to; but some of us aren't that lucky "

I'd say if I had a cock to ride every day, I'd still do it (obviously less regularly) as it's two different sensations

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By *ichael McCarthyMan  over a year ago

Lucan


"I couldn't survive.

I think a lot lie about it as it's seen to be taboo or embarrassing....in 2017!

Obviously some women Get enough play that they don't need to; but some of us aren't that lucky

I'd say if I had a cock to ride every day, I'd still do it (obviously less regularly) as it's two different sensations"

I'm sure you'll have a few offers now.

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By *oghunter33 OP   Woman  over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"I couldn't survive.

I think a lot lie about it as it's seen to be taboo or embarrassing....in 2017!

Obviously some women Get enough play that they don't need to; but some of us aren't that lucky

I'd say if I had a cock to ride every day, I'd still do it (obviously less regularly) as it's two different sensations

I'm sure you'll have a few offers now. "

Forgot to unblock single men

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By *ichael McCarthyMan  over a year ago

Lucan


"I couldn't survive.

I think a lot lie about it as it's seen to be taboo or embarrassing....in 2017!

Obviously some women Get enough play that they don't need to; but some of us aren't that lucky

I'd say if I had a cock to ride every day, I'd still do it (obviously less regularly) as it's two different sensations

I'm sure you'll have a few offers now.

Forgot to unblock single men "

Phew!

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By *affa31Woman  over a year ago

Galway

I've come home from very satisfying meets and masturbated to the memory of them I know a few of my friends definitely don't lady wank...I'd be in an asylum by now

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By *0shadesofashWoman  over a year ago

DUBLIN


"Loads of my friends don't do it at all and are freaked that I do it so much I squirt on them when they give out shuts them up very quickly

Can see it now...

having a chat with Ash,

she disagrees,

whips down the cacks takes aim and .... splash

"

I'm not that fuckin bad hahaha

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Oh god id explode if I didn't have my daily me time and I don't think it matters how much sex you have I actually think it makes me play more

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I remember my first 'lady wank' laying naked on my bathroom floor....that explosion!!

knew from then i wanted more....i can expierience different types of orgasms depending on how i work it...so to speak

It means i know what i want when it comes to using a cock

i couldnt imagine not having that self awareness ....

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By *illbillMan  over a year ago

dublin

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By *oghunter33 OP   Woman  over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


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Don't be shy Bill, tell us!

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