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Can accommodate....in a hotel??
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Hi, new to fab and forums. Just wondering if this is a common thing. I ask men if they can accommodate at their homes, seeing as they have it on their profiles, but they say,no, in a hotel.
But in that case anyone 'can accomodate'?? It seems to be one attached guys use a lot.
I am just confused by this, among other things. (Like the straight guys with veris from Tvs, but that's a whole other thread lol) |
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By *ease_EMan
over a year ago
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"Hi, new to fab and forums. Just wondering if this is a common thing. I ask men if they can accommodate at their homes, seeing as they have it on their profiles, but they say,no, in a hotel.
But in that case anyone 'can accomodate'?? It seems to be one attached guys use a lot.
I am just confused by this, among other things. (Like the straight guys with veris from Tvs, but that's a whole other thread lol)"
I would say that you answered it yourself there.....
I can accommodate, at Mine.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"You cannot accommodate either OP."
Eh, I am talking about guys who say they can accommodate. It's misleading when they really mean they can book a hotel room. |
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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago
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Welcome to fab, the site of fun, double standards and contradictions. Yes there are a good amount of 'attached single' people. If that's not your thing, just move to the next. There are single single too. People cannot provide accommodation for different reasons, not only because the partner doesn't know ie sharing, living with kids, living with parents etc. Theoretically you could argue he provides accommodation with a hotel room given he's organising and paying for it. Comes with pros and cons. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You cannot accommodate either OP.
Eh, I am talking about guys who say they can accommodate. It's misleading when they really mean they can book a hotel room. "
Do you plan to move in with him? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"You cannot accommodate either OP.
Eh, I am talking about guys who say they can accommodate. It's misleading when they really mean they can book a hotel room.
Do you plan to move in with him?"
Wow, so nice and welcoming, thank you  |
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"You cannot accommodate either OP.
Eh, I am talking about guys who say they can accommodate. It's misleading when they really mean they can book a hotel room.
Do you plan to move in with him?
Wow, so nice and welcoming, thank you "
I often wonder why people don't bother with the forums... I can see why now...  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You cannot accommodate either OP.
Eh, I am talking about guys who say they can accommodate. It's misleading when they really mean they can book a hotel room.
Do you plan to move in with him?
Wow, so nice and welcoming, thank you "
As DH says above, there are plenty of reasons why a male would accommodate in a hotel room, just as a woman might choose to, not least the issue of safety, not everyone wants to disclose their address to a stranger picked up on the internet. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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It's just extra work isn't it. I get chatting to a guy. I don't want to go sneaking around with attached guys, he says 'can accommodate', I think OK, he must be single. Then after chatting for a bit I discover he can accommodate - in a hotel because he is actually married. Very dishonest behavior. I just ask outright from the start now. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's just extra work isn't it. I get chatting to a guy. I don't want to go sneaking around with attached guys, he says 'can accommodate', I think OK, he must be single. Then after chatting for a bit I discover he can accommodate - in a hotel because he is actually married. Very dishonest behavior. I just ask outright from the start now. "
Typically, we find use of the word "discreet" to be the giveaway... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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watch out for the ones who say can accom , meention a hotel room and then expect you to book and pay for it  citing excuses about not wanting to leave a trail on their credit card , they rarely stump up their half of the room . |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"It's just extra work isn't it. I get chatting to a guy. I don't want to go sneaking around with attached guys, he says 'can accommodate', I think OK, he must be single. Then after chatting for a bit I discover he can accommodate - in a hotel because he is actually married. Very dishonest behavior. I just ask outright from the start now.
Typically, we find use of the word "discreet" to be the giveaway..."
Or 'discrete' usually  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's just extra work isn't it. I get chatting to a guy. I don't want to go sneaking around with attached guys, he says 'can accommodate', I think OK, he must be single. Then after chatting for a bit I discover he can accommodate - in a hotel because he is actually married. Very dishonest behavior. I just ask outright from the start now.
Typically, we find use of the word "discreet" to be the giveaway...
Or 'discrete' usually "
You've nailed it |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"watch out for the ones who say can accom , meention a hotel room and then expect you to book and pay for it citing excuses about not wanting to leave a trail on their credit card , they rarely stump up their half of the room ."
 wow |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You cannot accommodate either OP.
Eh, I am talking about guys who say they can accommodate. It's misleading when they really mean they can book a hotel room.
Do you plan to move in with him?
Wow, so nice and welcoming, thank you I often wonder why people don't bother with the forums... I can see why now... "
Yep! Small minded people acting hard behind their keyboards...
If you have nothing nice to say then say nothing at all eh? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"watch out for the ones who say can accom , meention a hotel room and then expect you to book and pay for it citing excuses about not wanting to leave a trail on their credit card , they rarely stump up their half of the room ."
Jaysus. Not good at all.  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Reasons are many and veried why ppl don't accommodate.... Were a cpl so nothing to hide but we would seldom ask anyone to ours"
Yes, but don't you think it's dishonest for a person to put that he can accommodate when he can't?
I am probably coming across as very innocent to all you hardened swingers, it's all new to me, I am naive.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Reasons are many and veried why ppl don't accommodate.... Were a cpl so nothing to hide but we would seldom ask anyone to ours
Yes, but don't you think it's dishonest for a person to put that he can accommodate when he can't?
I am probably coming across as very innocent to all you hardened swingers, it's all new to me, I am naive. "
I doubt someone who is lying to their life partner is going to lose sleep over being dishonest with strangers, besides, he can accommodate - in a hotel room.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Reasons are many and veried why ppl don't accommodate.... Were a cpl so nothing to hide but we would seldom ask anyone to ours
Yes, but don't you think it's dishonest for a person to put that he can accommodate when he can't?
I am probably coming across as very innocent to all you hardened swingers, it's all new to me, I am naive.
I doubt someone who is lying to their life partner is going to lose sleep over being dishonest with strangers, besides, he can accommodate - in a hotel room.
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Well anybody can accommodate then technically. I shall change my profile to 'can accommodate'  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You cannot accommodate either OP.
Eh, I am talking about guys who say they can accommodate. It's misleading when they really mean they can book a hotel room.
Do you plan to move in with him?
Wow, so nice and welcoming, thank you I often wonder why people don't bother with the forums... I can see why now...
Yep! Small minded people acting hard behind their keyboards...
If you have nothing nice to say then say nothing at all eh?"
That wasn't very nice
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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theres fellas on here who "accomodate" in their car and even some a filthy scania on the side of the road and who get all uppity if anyone suggests thats not what accom means |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"theres fellas on here who "accomodate" in their car and even some a filthy scania on the side of the road and who get all uppity if anyone suggests thats not what accom means "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"theres fellas on here who "accomodate" in their car and even some a filthy scania on the side of the road and who get all uppity if anyone suggests thats not what accom means "
The word does have several meanings  |
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By *avie tCouple
over a year ago
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"Reasons are many and veried why ppl don't accommodate.... Were a cpl so nothing to hide but we would seldom ask anyone to ours
Yes, but don't you think it's dishonest for a person to put that he can accommodate when he can't?
I am probably coming across as very innocent to all you hardened swingers, it's all new to me, I am naive. "
It may sound cynical but I think the first rule of swinging should be take nothing at face value....some ppl are dishonest in every area of life..throw sex into the mix and it explodes |
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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago
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"Reasons are many and veried why ppl don't accommodate.... Were a cpl so nothing to hide but we would seldom ask anyone to ours
Yes, but don't you think it's dishonest for a person to put that he can accommodate when he can't?
I am probably coming across as very innocent to all you hardened swingers, it's all new to me, I am naive. "
You're not naive, it's a tough world on here, sharpen all your senses and listen to your gut feeling and you'll have a sharp and quick learning curve, get the hang of it and hopefully plenty of fun. There are plenty of lovely gentlemen on here but it needs a bit of work to find the right ones  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Reasons are many and veried why ppl don't accommodate.... Were a cpl so nothing to hide but we would seldom ask anyone to ours
Yes, but don't you think it's dishonest for a person to put that he can accommodate when he can't?
I am probably coming across as very innocent to all you hardened swingers, it's all new to me, I am naive.
You're not naive, it's a tough world on here, sharpen all your senses and listen to your gut feeling and you'll have a sharp and quick learning curve, get the hang of it and hopefully plenty of fun. There are plenty of lovely gentlemen on here but it needs a bit of work to find the right ones "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Reasons are many and veried why ppl don't accommodate.... Were a cpl so nothing to hide but we would seldom ask anyone to ours
Yes, but don't you think it's dishonest for a person to put that he can accommodate when he can't?
I am probably coming across as very innocent to all you hardened swingers, it's all new to me, I am naive. "
You have to allow for people's privacy, if I see "can accommodate" I interpret that as most likely being a hotel tbh
In actual fact I would probably request it, as said earlier I would really need to know someone well before I let them into my home and by defacto into my real world
There are just way to many headbangers on tinternet OP
If I were female I would probably insist on neutral ground ala a hotel.
Welcome to fab btw. It can be a great place but rule 101 look after you 1st  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm single but I live with family. Therefore, I can't accommodate."
See that's the problem John, I don't think you should feel like you have to justify why!
I could say similar but fook it if someone doesn't like that I can't accommodate then move on
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I'm single but I live with family. Therefore, I can't accommodate."
But you can book a hotel room so why not put 'can accommodate'? Seems to be all the rage.
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By *ease_EMan
over a year ago
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"I'm single but I live with family. Therefore, I can't accommodate.
But you can book a hotel room so why not put 'can accommodate'? Seems to be all the rage.
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I have,'Discrete if necessary 'on my profile, it's only if the lady needs it to be Discrete and not for any other reason. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm single but I live with family. Therefore, I can't accommodate.
But you can book a hotel room so why not put 'can accommodate'? Seems to be all the rage.
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"Can accommodate" in fab terms to us suggests simply that a location for sex can be provided. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm single but I live with family. Therefore, I can't accommodate.
But you can book a hotel room so why not put 'can accommodate'? Seems to be all the rage.
"Can accommodate" in fab terms to us suggests simply that a location for sex can be provided."
Some "can accommodate" in their cars  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I'm single but I live with family. Therefore, I can't accommodate.
But you can book a hotel room so why not put 'can accommodate'? Seems to be all the rage.
"Can accommodate" in fab terms to us suggests simply that a location for sex can be provided."
What's the point in having the 'can' and 'can not' accommodate options then? In that case everyone can accommodate if it's a matter of booking a hotel. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm single but I live with family. Therefore, I can't accommodate.
But you can book a hotel room so why not put 'can accommodate'? Seems to be all the rage.
"Can accommodate" in fab terms to us suggests simply that a location for sex can be provided.
Some "can accommodate" in their cars "
And no doubt some others are happy with that. As with everything,the details have to be thrashed out.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm single but I live with family. Therefore, I can't accommodate.
But you can book a hotel room so why not put 'can accommodate'? Seems to be all the rage.
"Can accommodate" in fab terms to us suggests simply that a location for sex can be provided.
What's the point in having the 'can' and 'can not' accommodate options then? In that case everyone can accommodate if it's a matter of booking a hotel."
Yup, if they wanted to. Not everyone does. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You cannot accommodate either OP.
Eh, I am talking about guys who say they can accommodate. It's misleading when they really mean they can book a hotel room.
Do you plan to move in with him?
Wow, so nice and welcoming, thank you I often wonder why people don't bother with the forums... I can see why now...
Yep! Small minded people acting hard behind their keyboards...
If you have nothing nice to say then say nothing at all eh?"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Would have to agree with OP, can accommodate means a house, apt, flat etc... Probably best if profile stated you prefer hotel meets but "can accommodate" definitely means you have got your own place. Makes no sense otherwise. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Would have to agree with OP, can accommodate means a house, apt, flat etc... Probably best if profile stated you prefer hotel meets but "can accommodate" definitely means you have got your own place. Makes no sense otherwise. "
What things "should" mean on someone's profile vs the reality are often world's apart. People lie,people intetpret things in different ways. Best to clarify details in chat beforehand in our book. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Would have to agree with OP, can accommodate means a house, apt, flat etc... Probably best if profile stated you prefer hotel meets but "can accommodate" definitely means you have got your own place. Makes no sense otherwise.
What things "should" mean on someone's profile vs the reality are often world's apart. People lie,people intetpret things in different ways. Best to clarify details in chat beforehand in our book. "
If someone says can accommodate in a hotel does that person realise they are liable for the bill? I haven't heard this at all |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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In my opinion, No! accommodate doesn't mean I will invite you into my home - means you are willing to accommodate in some way, might be a home might be friends home might be a hotel or rented apartment or yes as some have stated transit ban on a side road lol
I doubt anyone genuinely takes this into consideration when setting up the profile - I know I didn't. If you wanna meet you'll make it happen some how.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Would have to agree with OP, can accommodate means a house, apt, flat etc... Probably best if profile stated you prefer hotel meets but "can accommodate" definitely means you have got your own place. Makes no sense otherwise.
What things "should" mean on someone's profile vs the reality are often world's apart. People lie,people intetpret things in different ways. Best to clarify details in chat beforehand in our book.
If someone says can accommodate in a hotel does that person realise they are liable for the bill? I haven't heard this at all "
I'd like to see that one in court lmfao |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It might mean if you too meet again they can accommodate... It's a huge risk factor bringing someone into your home male/female. "
Very true. I've learned that the hard way |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Interesting point about not taking it into consideration when setting profile . I always assume cannot accom on a profile usually equates to I'm married or attached and she doesn't know and so I just ignore the profile . Might be a point for the guys to consider maybe other ladies assume similar . |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"In my opinion, No! accommodate doesn't mean I will invite you into my home - means you are willing to accommodate in some way, might be a home might be friends home might be a hotel or rented apartment or yes as some have stated transit ban on a side road lol
I doubt anyone genuinely takes this into consideration when setting up the profile - I know I didn't. If you wanna meet you'll make it happen some how.
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So when you say you can accommodate you mean what? You can book a hotel room? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Would have to agree with OP, can accommodate means a house, apt, flat etc... Probably best if profile stated you prefer hotel meets but "can accommodate" definitely means you have got your own place. Makes no sense otherwise.
What things "should" mean on someone's profile vs the reality are often world's apart. People lie,people intetpret things in different ways. Best to clarify details in chat beforehand in our book.
If someone says can accommodate in a hotel does that person realise they are liable for the bill? I haven't heard this at all
I'd like to see that one in court lmfao"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"In my opinion, No! accommodate doesn't mean I will invite you into my home - means you are willing to accommodate in some way, might be a home might be friends home might be a hotel or rented apartment or yes as some have stated transit ban on a side road lol
I doubt anyone genuinely takes this into consideration when setting up the profile - I know I didn't. If you wanna meet you'll make it happen some how.
So when you say you can accommodate you mean what? You can book a hotel room?"
I'm speaking generally .... in my case only people who get close enough will find out.
Interesting thread btw OP and welcome |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'm sorry but you either can or cannot accomodate. simple as...any idiot with a laser card can book a room and therefore 'can accomodate' going on most peoples theory.
Should that part of profiles be changed to willing or not willing to book/pay for accom? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm sorry but you either can or cannot accomodate. simple as...any idiot with a laser card can book a room and therefore 'can accomodate' going on most peoples theory.
Should that part of profiles be changed to willing or not willing to book/pay for accom?"
I'd be inclined to agree that the distinction should be made on the profile for those for whom it appears important. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm sorry but you either can or cannot accomodate. simple as...any idiot with a laser card can book a room and therefore 'can accomodate' going on most peoples theory.
Should that part of profiles be changed to willing or not willing to book/pay for accom?
I'd be inclined to agree that the distinction should be made on the profile for those for whom it appears important."
That's why it's there.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm sorry but you either can or cannot accomodate. simple as...any idiot with a laser card can book a room and therefore 'can accomodate' going on most peoples theory.
Should that part of profiles be changed to willing or not willing to book/pay for accom?
I'd be inclined to agree that the distinction should be made on the profile for those for whom it appears important.
That's why it's there.
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And as it stands, it can be interpreted in different ways. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm sorry but you either can or cannot accomodate. simple as...any idiot with a laser card can book a room and therefore 'can accomodate' going on most peoples theory.
Should that part of profiles be changed to willing or not willing to book/pay for accom?
I'd be inclined to agree that the distinction should be made on the profile for those for whom it appears important.
That's why it's there.
And as it stands, it can be interpreted in different ways. "
There's a lot to be said for linear thinking |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm sorry but you either can or cannot accomodate. simple as...any idiot with a laser card can book a room and therefore 'can accomodate' going on most peoples theory.
Should that part of profiles be changed to willing or not willing to book/pay for accom?
I'd be inclined to agree that the distinction should be made on the profile for those for whom it appears important.
That's why it's there.
And as it stands, it can be interpreted in different ways.
There's a lot to be said for linear thinking "
As I said previously, the word accommodate has several different meanings. People interpret things to suit their own agenda.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm sorry but you either can or cannot accomodate. simple as...any idiot with a laser card can book a room and therefore 'can accomodate' going on most peoples theory.
Should that part of profiles be changed to willing or not willing to book/pay for accom?
I'd be inclined to agree that the distinction should be made on the profile for those for whom it appears important.
That's why it's there.
And as it stands, it can be interpreted in different ways.
There's a lot to be said for linear thinking
As I said previously, the word accommodate has several different meanings. People interpret things to suit their own agenda.
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No doubt. I thought as humans we're programmed to think logically. Fab rules apply I suppose when it comes to blurring the lines between what's said and what's actually true...I'm not surprised the op is confused. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm sorry but you either can or cannot accomodate. simple as...any idiot with a laser card can book a room and therefore 'can accomodate' going on most peoples theory.
Should that part of profiles be changed to willing or not willing to book/pay for accom?
I'd be inclined to agree that the distinction should be made on the profile for those for whom it appears important.
That's why it's there.
And as it stands, it can be interpreted in different ways.
There's a lot to be said for linear thinking
As I said previously, the word accommodate has several different meanings. People interpret things to suit their own agenda.
No doubt. I thought as humans we're programmed to think logically. Fab rules apply I suppose when it comes to blurring the lines between what's said and what's actually true...I'm not surprised the op is confused."
Humans lie to get what they want, that is hardly exclusive to fab.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I totally agree. I should bring any nut job bunny boiling crazy person to my house because she he or it thinks they should be able to arrive at my door to haunt me afterwards
Lads it's a swing site. If you want to meet the single man woman or other of your dreams match.com is third door on your left and the Knock marriage bureau is just beside it.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm single but I live with family. Therefore, I can't accommodate.
But you can book a hotel room so why not put 'can accommodate'? Seems to be all the rage.
"Can accommodate" in fab terms to us suggests simply that a location for sex can be provided.
Some "can accommodate" in their cars "
So then, 'Fab accommodate' is similar to 'Fab straight'?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Obfuscation is a unique human skill, after all. Now you have me googling!
Google "accommodate" while youre at it "
I can speak in common straightforward talk rational to my thinking. If you could think that way also you wouldn't be put out by my opinion. |
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Ooh!, haven't come across this yet. Personally I wouldn't care, his home, a hotel room, I suppose his home may be a little more comfortable, especially for him but I do know I wouldn't be paying half for a hotel if he offered accommodation.
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over a year ago
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"It's the ones who say that they can neither travel nor accommodate who really get me. "
Yep, same here, but I also get what the OP is saying.
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over a year ago
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"It's the ones who say that they can neither travel nor accommodate who really get me. "
Why? They may be willing to pay for a hotel but that's not classed as accommodating apparently.
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Haven't read all the above as time/efficiency doesn't permit.
Firstly, welcome to Fab OP and hope you have a brilliant time as a result of joining.
My perspective - as per profile, married to a non-Fabber, so no, not accommodating, as per profile. However, I would expect that any meet would be fully discussed between potential play partners in advance, so accommodation status should be almost irrelevant at that point, be it hotel/home/elsewhere.
PS love your pic OP and I reckon accommodation will be the least of your worries
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"Eh...I have to admit 'can accommodate' is one of the things that draws me to a profile.
I like repeat meets and paying for hotels can be costly."
I know, you're gonna shoot me but, from a Cannot accommodate, Cannot travel person
As I rush off to check my profile for similar faux pas! |
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"Interesting point about not taking it into consideration when setting profile . I always assume cannot accom on a profile usually equates to I'm married or attached and she doesn't know and so I just ignore the profile . Might be a point for the guys to consider maybe other ladies assume similar . "
Some of us have a more glass half full outlook |
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over a year ago
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"'Cannot travel' simply means I stick to Dublin
Cool, thx for clarification. Great place, especially with you in it
I need to stop the beers before I'm banned/blocked!"
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"'Cannot travel' simply means I stick to Dublin
Cool, thx for clarification. Great place, especially with you in it
I need to stop the beers before I'm banned/blocked!
I'm half way through the bottle of vino so you're forgiven "
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over a year ago
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"It's just extra work isn't it. I get chatting to a guy. I don't want to go sneaking around with attached guys, he says 'can accommodate', I think OK, he must be single. Then after chatting for a bit I discover he can accommodate - in a hotel because he is actually married. Very dishonest behavior. I just ask outright from the start now.
Typically, we find use of the word "discreet" to be the giveaway..."
That explains a lot...I'm discreet and single!..
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over a year ago
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I have cannot accom as my son lives with me. And cannot travel as I have no car.
First meet on my home ground ( I don't actually force anyone to trek up here) - if theres a 2nd meet I'm happy to meet anywhere on a bus route |
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"Of course 'can accommodate' means yes we can bump uglies the comfort of my place so the op is dead right
Charming "
Sorry but I don't think he was caring about charming knickers off anyone. Some won't learn, regardless of pointers# |
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over a year ago
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"Of course 'can accommodate' means yes we can bump uglies the comfort of my place so the op is dead right
Charming
Sorry but I don't think he was caring about charming knickers off anyone. Some won't learn, regardless of pointers#
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Sarcasm john |
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"Of course 'can accommodate' means yes we can bump uglies the comfort of my place so the op is dead right
Charming
Sorry but I don't think he was caring about charming knickers off anyone. Some won't learn, regardless of pointers#
Sarcasm john "
Not at all Beanonti. Me? Never! |
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