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"Just saying Hello from the EU! "And a heeelllllooooo to you to. From a independent citizen of Europe | |||
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"Just saying Hello from the EU!
And a heeelllllooooo to you to. From a independent citizen of Europe "#ICE | |||
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"Anyone know what effect this will have on the eurovision?...." Not much I'd imagine since Azerbaijan are in it | |||
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"Anyone know what effect this will have on the eurovision?.... Not much I'd imagine since Azerbaijan are in it " .....wasn't that a great song?.....how does it go again? ..  | |||
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"Had predicted it and now its time to get ready for a recession that we will not come out of anytime soon. Ireland needs to jump ship sharpish before our heads go under the quicksand "Totally agree juicy. Were fucked | |||
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"It's just plummeted to its lowest rate from '85 "And??? Your tayto crisps will still be the same. Watch it rise again...that's just Russian roulette of the stock exchange a people with money tried to make another quick buck.... the sterling was stronger than the Euro....yet apparently the Euro was the place to be? Watch the sterling rise again as those with money start buying it on the Stock exchange again.. Little will change for now but it's good to see people want a government change...want to reclaim their identity. ... watch others leave and watch the Union slowly crumble over the next 15 yrs. This is a day that clearly shows People are more important than the system...gives Hooe to future generations in that we do not need to be dictated by those in power of influence who so often misuse it for their own personal gain over those who elected them. Now those in leadership will negotiate more for the people and less for themselves. ..for now anyway. | |||
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"Every region in Scotland voted to remain. Bye bye UK! " I think that shows that the leaders will try to undermine theirown people to get what they want themselves ( Scottish people voted to stay in uk even thought they dropped the voting age to get the younger voters to vote out). Now they showed they wanted to jump ship...let them go...their oil reserves are far less than their government was telling them. | |||
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"Anyone know what effect this will have on the eurovision?.... Not much I'd imagine since Azerbaijan are in it .....wasn't that a great song?.....how does it go again? .. "Running scared 
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But seriously it's not a positive move in my humble opinion. | |||
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"As someone mentioned above it will take a while to leave but most of the agreements made for the uk throught the eu will be slightly adapted and basically stay the same. No need for panic. Todays a good day " | |||
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"Cameron may announce his resignation this morning. ..as a no confidence in his leadership....watch this space." Hes stepping down in 3 months . Nothing else will change for now with trade and new deals will be negotiated and nothing will change until then. No panic people this will take 5 years or so to all be done and people that think a resession will come will be shocked when it doesnt. Big day for small business | |||
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"Cameron may announce his resignation this morning. ..as a no confidence in his leadership....watch this space. Hes stepping down in 3 months . Nothing else will change for now with trade and new deals will be negotiated and nothing will change until then. No panic people this will take 5 years or so to all be done and people that think a resession will come will be shocked when it doesnt. Big day for small business "You seem to calm yourself down with your posts. Yes it will be business as usual for the big ones but it will be the small ones that suffer as usual. A sad day for Europe. | |||
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"What a terrible small minded decision. The term cut off your nose to spite your face springs to mind. Oh dear God, gutted. How can the EU accept free movement between a EU and non EU country, so we're to get a physical border back? Hardly a positive move, what a dark dark terrible day "Agree, agree, agree | |||
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"Cameron may announce his resignation this morning. ..as a no confidence in his leadership....watch this space. Hes stepping down in 3 months . Nothing else will change for now with trade and new deals will be negotiated and nothing will change until then. No panic people this will take 5 years or so to all be done and people that think a resession will come will be shocked when it doesnt. Big day for small business
You seem to calm yourself down with your posts.
Yes it will be business as usual for the big ones but it will be the small ones that suffer as usual.
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"i can see this as the beginning of the end of the union Scotland will now leave the uk. i can see many American multinationals setting up here as we will be the only native English speaking country in the eu. " Scotland should rightly seek to become an independent country and request immediate entry to the EU | |||
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"What a terrible small minded decision. The term cut off your nose to spite your face springs to mind. Oh dear God, gutted. How can the EU accept free movement between a EU and non EU country, so we're to get a physical border back? Hardly a positive move, what a dark dark terrible day "....aren't you overreacting just a little? ...50+million British citizens may not appreciate being called small minded. ..There will be changes, but there will be no trumpheske walls built. There's an exit agreement to be negotiated. ..at the end of the day the banks will decide what happens. ..so nobody panic. | |||
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"What a terrible small minded decision. The term cut off your nose to spite your face springs to mind. Oh dear God, gutted. How can the EU accept free movement between a EU and non EU country, so we're to get a physical border back? Hardly a positive move, what a dark dark terrible day ....aren't you overreacting just a little? ...50+million British citizens may not appreciate being called small minded. ..There will be changes, but there will be no trumpheske walls built. There's an exit agreement to be negotiated. ..at the end of the day the banks will decide what happens. ..so nobody panic."It was a small minded decision in my opinion. Countries can't survive alone. Dev tried that here in the last century and it didn't work | |||
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"What a terrible small minded decision. The term cut off your nose to spite your face springs to mind. Oh dear God, gutted. How can the EU accept free movement between a EU and non EU country, so we're to get a physical border back? Hardly a positive move, what a dark dark terrible day ....aren't you overreacting just a little? ...50+million British citizens may not appreciate being called small minded. ..There will be changes, but there will be no trumpheske walls built. There's an exit agreement to be negotiated. ..at the end of the day the banks will decide what happens. ..so nobody panic." | |||
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"What a terrible small minded decision. The term cut off your nose to spite your face springs to mind. Oh dear God, gutted. How can the EU accept free movement between a EU and non EU country, so we're to get a physical border back? Hardly a positive move, what a dark dark terrible day ....aren't you overreacting just a little? ...50+million British citizens may not appreciate being called small minded. ..There will be changes, but there will be no trumpheske walls built. There's an exit agreement to be negotiated. ..at the end of the day the banks will decide what happens. ..so nobody panic.
It was a small minded decision in my opinion. Countries can't survive alone. Dev tried that here in the last century and it didn't work "Mr69: strong countries can... | |||
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"What a terrible small minded decision. The term cut off your nose to spite your face springs to mind. Oh dear God, gutted. How can the EU accept free movement between a EU and non EU country, so we're to get a physical border back? Hardly a positive move, what a dark dark terrible day ....aren't you overreacting just a little? ...50+million British citizens may not appreciate being called small minded. ..There will be changes, but there will be no trumpheske walls built. There's an exit agreement to be negotiated. ..at the end of the day the banks will decide what happens. ..so nobody panic.
It was a small minded decision in my opinion. Countries can't survive alone. Dev tried that here in the last century and it didn't work ".......the last century? ....ha ha.... | |||
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"What a terrible small minded decision. The term cut off your nose to spite your face springs to mind. Oh dear God, gutted. How can the EU accept free movement between a EU and non EU country, so we're to get a physical border back? Hardly a positive move, what a dark dark terrible day ....aren't you overreacting just a little? ...50+million British citizens may not appreciate being called small minded. ..There will be changes, but there will be no trumpheske walls built. There's an exit agreement to be negotiated. ..at the end of the day the banks will decide what happens. ..so nobody panic.
It was a small minded decision in my opinion. Countries can't survive alone. Dev tried that here in the last century and it didn't work
Mr69: strong countries can..."So it's a thanks EU for all the positives but we're out of here f*ck ye all? | |||
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" It was a small minded decision in my opinion. Countries can't survive alone. Dev tried that here in the last century and it didn't work
Mr69: strong countries can...
So it's a thanks EU for all the positives but we're out of here f*ck ye all? "Mr69: Why do you care if we leave? We aren't & haven't been seeing positives for the UK for some time. Our lot want out, deal with it. | |||
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" It was a small minded decision in my opinion. Countries can't survive alone. Dev tried that here in the last century and it didn't work
Mr69: strong countries can...
So it's a thanks EU for all the positives but we're out of here f*ck ye all?
Mr69: Why do you care if we leave?
We aren't & haven't been seeing positives for the UK for some time. Our lot want out, deal with it."I care about the EU and Europe. I'm for working together, in partnership. This is bad for the EU and what's bad for the EU is bad for Europe, it also seriously effects northern Ireland which again seriously effects the republic. Britain gained improved workers rights, free trade, free travel, improved relationships with their neighbours etc. I don't see cutting off ties and trying to make independent agreements a positive move, far from it. This strikes me as the move of a teenager throwing a strop and leaving home, we shall see what happens..... but I fear for the future.... | |||
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" It was a small minded decision in my opinion. Countries can't survive alone. Dev tried that here in the last century and it didn't work
Mr69: strong countries can...
So it's a thanks EU for all the positives but we're out of here f*ck ye all?
Mr69: Why do you care if we leave?
We aren't & haven't been seeing positives for the UK for some time. Our lot want out, deal with it.
I care about the EU and Europe. I'm for working together, in partnership. This is bad for the EU and what's bad for the EU is bad for Europe, it also seriously effects northern Ireland which again seriously effects the republic. Britain gained improved workers rights, free trade, free travel, improved relationships with their neighbours etc. I don't see cutting off ties and trying to make independent agreements a positive move, far from it. This strikes me as the move of a teenager throwing a strop and leaving home, we shall see what happens..... but I fear for the future.... "Mr69: I don't know why friendly ties would be affected but the UK is looking beyond this EU soup that is being made from blending all the countries together. We've warned that if things didn't change for us, we'd hold a referendum to leave, we were palmed off by Brussels & this is the result. | |||
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"Boris Johnson the British answer to Donald Trump, both have a ridiculous hair style, a big mouth and want to build a wall. We're back to the dark ages...."
Boris Johnson, UK will regret the day if he becomes prime minister, basically a modern day nazi. | |||
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"What a terrible small minded decision. The term cut off your nose to spite your face springs to mind. Oh dear God, gutted. How can the EU accept free movement between a EU and non EU country, so we're to get a physical border back? Hardly a positive move, what a dark dark terrible day "Watch and see how it will be done...as far as Ireland is concerned, little will change agreements made before EU will stand, movement to Europe, wont change passports will still be used as they were up until yesterday. Only real difference is that now Mertle cant continue to do a dumb stunt like she did with allowing millions to flood in and allow a lot in without any screening. | |||
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"Boris Johnson the British answer to Donald Trump, both have a ridiculous hair style, a big mouth and want to build a wall. We're back to the dark ages....
Boris Johnson, UK will regret the day if he becomes prime minister, basically a modern day nazi."Though I dont agree with Boris on some things, listen to what he had to say...its not a wall on the contrary its about controlling something which Cameron and Co had no idea how to do it. | |||
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"This has been described as a vote for ignorance, teenagers throwing a strop, blah blah...what is it really? ....Democracy in action....love it or hate it. The people have spoken. "
I thought everyone was saying that the younger ones would vote IN? I think most did, will be good to see the poles on the demographics over the next few weeks. | |||
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"Mr69: Wow! What a night. I know a lot think we've done the wrong thing but enough is enough. Our destiny should be in our hands, not Brussels'. Ireland is as long as I've lived there been a pro EU country, Britain hasn't. We get a lot less out of the EU than Ireland does & a lot of people here no longer see the benefits of being a member. At least we got rid of Cameron too! "Actually I'm delighted! I say fair fucks to the UK for their brave vote! It shows they have balls and won't be messed about.... I voted not to join the EU way back in the day and as far as I'm concerned all it done is fck us up we answer to Brussels and wasn't that what we fought so long and hard for was not to answer to any country yet in 2016 were on our knees!! Fair play to the UK!!! | |||
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" It was a small minded decision in my opinion. Countries can't survive alone. Dev tried that here in the last century and it didn't work
Mr69: strong countries can...
So it's a thanks EU for all the positives but we're out of here f*ck ye all?
Mr69: Why do you care if we leave?
We aren't & haven't been seeing positives for the UK for some time. Our lot want out, deal with it.
I care about the EU and Europe. I'm for working together, in partnership. This is bad for the EU and what's bad for the EU is bad for Europe, it also seriously effects northern Ireland which again seriously effects the republic. Britain gained improved workers rights, free trade, free travel, improved relationships with their neighbours etc. I don't see cutting off ties and trying to make independent agreements a positive move, far from it. This strikes me as the move of a teenager throwing a strop and leaving home, we shall see what happens..... but I fear for the future....
Mr69: I don't know why friendly ties would be affected but the UK is looking beyond this EU soup that is being made from blending all the countries together. We've warned that if things didn't change for us, we'd hold a referendum to leave, we were palmed off by Brussels & this is the result."...exactly we were palmed off many times over and as Cameron often said...Ill get this or Ill get that which he couldnt... and staying in would only continue to be the same. Great day for democracy, great day for the ordinary people. Now we need to vote in the right people to take hold of the reins again and steer us back. Watch the sterling start TO RISE BACK AGAIN....its still stronger than the EURO | |||
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"Cameron just sput the dummy" OH... what did he do to Boris?? | |||
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"This has been described as a vote for ignorance, teenagers throwing a strop, blah blah...what is it really? ....Democracy in action....love it or hate it. The people have spoken. " No means No... he'll just have to accept it and move on! | |||
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" Actually I'm delighted! I say fair fucks to the UK for their brave vote! It shows they have balls and won't be messed about.... I voted not to join the EU way back in the day and as far as I'm concerned all it done is fck us up we answer to Brussels and wasn't that what we fought so long and hard for was not to answer to any country yet in 2016 were on our knees!! Fair play to the UK!!! " Jaysus I had to Google how long we've been in the EU. It's 43 years! It's older than I am....there's never not been an EU as long as I'm alive. Weird that I could witness it's demise.... | |||
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"Mr69: Wow! What a night. I know a lot think we've done the wrong thing but enough is enough. Our destiny should be in our hands, not Brussels'. Ireland is as long as I've lived there been a pro EU country, Britain hasn't. We get a lot less out of the EU than Ireland does & a lot of people here no longer see the benefits of being a member. At least we got rid of Cameron too!
Actually I'm delighted! I say fair fucks to the UK for their brave vote! It shows they have balls and won't be messed about....
I voted not to join the EU way back in the day and as far as I'm concerned all it done is fck us up we answer to Brussels and wasn't that what we fought so long and hard for was not to answer to any country yet in 2016 were on our knees!!
Fair play to the UK!!!
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"What a terrible small minded decision. The term cut off your nose to spite your face springs to mind. Oh dear God, gutted. How can the EU accept free movement between a EU and non EU country, so we're to get a physical border back? Hardly a positive move, what a dark dark terrible day "We've always had a common travel area between Ireland and UK. I can't see that being affected. Realistically the border is not going to be manned by immigration control. They might have spot checks but neither UK or us can afford to man it 24/7. | |||
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"Mr69: Wow! What a night. I know a lot think we've done the wrong thing but enough is enough. Our destiny should be in our hands, not Brussels'. Ireland is as long as I've lived there been a pro EU country, Britain hasn't. We get a lot less out of the EU than Ireland does & a lot of people here no longer see the benefits of being a member. At least we got rid of Cameron too!
Actually I'm delighted! I say fair fucks to the UK for their brave vote! It shows they have balls and won't be messed about....
I voted not to join the EU way back in the day and as far as I'm concerned all it done is fck us up we answer to Brussels and wasn't that what we fought so long and hard for was not to answer to any country yet in 2016 were on our knees!!
Fair play to the UK!!!
You had the vote in the early seventies?..... how old are you exactly as your profile say 44? "Ah the age police... 
I meant the Lisbon agreement it would have basially eliminated us from the EU if it secured a no vote...
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"Mr69: Wow! What a night. I know a lot think we've done the wrong thing but enough is enough. Our destiny should be in our hands, not Brussels'. Ireland is as long as I've lived there been a pro EU country, Britain hasn't. We get a lot less out of the EU than Ireland does & a lot of people here no longer see the benefits of being a member. At least we got rid of Cameron too!
Actually I'm delighted! I say fair fucks to the UK for their brave vote! It shows they have balls and won't be messed about....
I voted not to join the EU way back in the day and as far as I'm concerned all it done is fck us up we answer to Brussels and wasn't that what we fought so long and hard for was not to answer to any country yet in 2016 were on our knees!!
Fair play to the UK!!!
You had the vote in the early seventies?..... how old are you exactly as your profile say 44?
Ah the age police...
I meant the Lisbon agreement it would have basially eliminated us from the EU if it secured a no vote...
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"It's just plummeted to its lowest rate from '85
And??? Your tayto crisps will still be the same. Watch it rise again...that's just Russian roulette of the stock exchange a people with money tried to make another quick buck.... the sterling was stronger than the Euro....yet apparently the Euro was the place to be? Watch the sterling rise again as those with money start buying it on the Stock exchange again.. Little will change for now but it's good to see people want a government change...want to reclaim their identity. ... watch others leave and watch the Union slowly crumble over the next 15 yrs. This is a day that clearly shows People are more important than the system...gives Hooe to future generations in that we do not need to be dictated by those in power of influence who so often misuse it for their own personal gain over those who elected them. Now those in leadership will negotiate more for the people and less for themselves. ..for now anyway." | |||
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"Mr69: Wow! What a night. I know a lot think we've done the wrong thing but enough is enough. Our destiny should be in our hands, not Brussels'. Ireland is as long as I've lived there been a pro EU country, Britain hasn't. We get a lot less out of the EU than Ireland does & a lot of people here no longer see the benefits of being a member. At least we got rid of Cameron too!
Actually I'm delighted! I say fair fucks to the UK for their brave vote! It shows they have balls and won't be messed about....
I voted not to join the EU way back in the day and as far as I'm concerned all it done is fck us up we answer to Brussels and wasn't that what we fought so long and hard for was not to answer to any country yet in 2016 were on our knees!!
Fair play to the UK!!!
You had the vote in the early seventies?..... how old are you exactly as your profile say 44?
Ah the age police...
I meant the Lisbon agreement it would have basially eliminated us from the EU if it secured a no vote...
"The Lisbon treaty wasn't to join The EU though,as we were already in it. I struggled to believe you were 18 in 1972 myself! You would have aged well! | |||
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"Truthfully, I view it as a generation that never had a chance to change their mind, after voting for something completely different, 40 years ago....and a new generation that never had their say. It is democracy, in it's purist form, everyone with a vote and all votes equal. For too long, proportional representation has been used to pervert democracy. A true democrat, could have no complaint. Fact, there's been free movement between North and South since partition. Fact, the head of the most influential industrial grouping in Europe(The German confederation of industries)has said he believes trade will continue, largely unaffected. Fact, the world's 5th largest economy can't just disappear. Goods are bought and sold on supply/demand basis....there will still be the demand. Fact, any reaction by the EU will be in spite....nothing has actually changed and won't change, for some time. Fact, all the remaining EU states will have to pay more, to make up the shortfall, left by the UK....BUT if it was a fair and equitable system, then nothing will change? Only if the UK were paying a disproportionately higher amount, should it have a detrimental effect. Only my opinion but personally I'm glad we will have control of our own money and laws again." If Northern Ireland call a referendum like Scotland are planning to do, you might not get what you want. The majority vote yesterday from our northern neighbours was to remain in the EU. I dont see how Britain will remain "great" if Scotland and the north of ireland become independent. Its isolation more than anything else. Funnily enough those under 25 voted to remain. Its their future id be in fear of. | |||
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"Truthfully, I view it as a generation that never had a chance to change their mind, after voting for something completely different, 40 years ago....and a new generation that never had their say. It is democracy, in it's purist form, everyone with a vote and all votes equal. For too long, proportional representation has been used to pervert democracy. A true democrat, could have no complaint. Fact, there's been free movement between North and South since partition. Fact, the head of the most influential industrial grouping in Europe(The German confederation of industries)has said he believes trade will continue, largely unaffected. Fact, the world's 5th largest economy can't just disappear. Goods are bought and sold on supply/demand basis....there will still be the demand. Fact, any reaction by the EU will be in spite....nothing has actually changed and won't change, for some time. Fact, all the remaining EU states will have to pay more, to make up the shortfall, left by the UK....BUT if it was a fair and equitable system, then nothing will change? Only if the UK were paying a disproportionately higher amount, should it have a detrimental effect. Only my opinion but personally I'm glad we will have control of our own money and laws again." You're deluded if you think that the uk doesn't have to pay anymore. Just look at Switzerland and Norway and their financial contributions to be part of the EU market but not a EU member. | |||
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"Truthfully, I view it as a generation that never had a chance to change their mind, after voting for something completely different, 40 years ago....and a new generation that never had their say. It is democracy, in it's purist form, everyone with a vote and all votes equal. For too long, proportional representation has been used to pervert democracy. A true democrat, could have no complaint. Fact, there's been free movement between North and South since partition. Fact, the head of the most influential industrial grouping in Europe(The German confederation of industries)has said he believes trade will continue, largely unaffected. Fact, the world's 5th largest economy can't just disappear. Goods are bought and sold on supply/demand basis....there will still be the demand. Fact, any reaction by the EU will be in spite....nothing has actually changed and won't change, for some time. Fact, all the remaining EU states will have to pay more, to make up the shortfall, left by the UK....BUT if it was a fair and equitable system, then nothing will change? Only if the UK were paying a disproportionately higher amount, should it have a detrimental effect. Only my opinion but personally I'm glad we will have control of our own money and laws again. You're deluded if you think that the uk doesn't have to pay anymore. Just look at Switzerland and Norway and their financial contributions to be part of the EU market but not a EU member. " Switzerland and Norway aren't anywhere near the size of economy, of the UK? Scotland had their Independence vote and decided to remain in the UK, the UK voted to leave the EU. Spoilt children, stamping their feet again, because they lost the Independence vote. | |||
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"Mr69: Wow! What a night. I know a lot think we've done the wrong thing but enough is enough. Our destiny should be in our hands, not Brussels'. Ireland is as long as I've lived there been a pro EU country, Britain hasn't. We get a lot less out of the EU than Ireland does & a lot of people here no longer see the benefits of being a member. At least we got rid of Cameron too!
Actually I'm delighted! I say fair fucks to the UK for their brave vote! It shows they have balls and won't be messed about....
I voted not to join the EU way back in the day and as far as I'm concerned all it done is fck us up we answer to Brussels and wasn't that what we fought so long and hard for was not to answer to any country yet in 2016 were on our knees!!
Fair play to the UK!!!
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"Truthfully, I view it as a generation that never had a chance to change their mind, after voting for something completely different, 40 years ago....and a new generation that never had their say. It is democracy, in it's purist form, everyone with a vote and all votes equal. For too long, proportional representation has been used to pervert democracy. A true democrat, could have no complaint. Fact, there's been free movement between North and South since partition. Fact, the head of the most influential industrial grouping in Europe(The German confederation of industries)has said he believes trade will continue, largely unaffected. Fact, the world's 5th largest economy can't just disappear. Goods are bought and sold on supply/demand basis....there will still be the demand. Fact, any reaction by the EU will be in spite....nothing has actually changed and won't change, for some time. Fact, all the remaining EU states will have to pay more, to make up the shortfall, left by the UK....BUT if it was a fair and equitable system, then nothing will change? Only if the UK were paying a disproportionately higher amount, should it have a detrimental effect. Only my opinion but personally I'm glad we will have control of our own money and laws again. You're deluded if you think that the uk doesn't have to pay anymore. Just look at Switzerland and Norway and their financial contributions to be part of the EU market but not a EU member. Switzerland and Norway aren't anywhere near the size of economy, of the UK? Scotland had their Independence vote and decided to remain in the UK, the UK voted to leave the EU. Spoilt children, stamping their feet again, because they lost the Independence vote." No Scotland has said , if there was any material or significant impact to their position in the EU, it gives them the right for a second referendum for independence. The majority yesterday voted to remain. | |||
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"As someone mentioned above it will take a while to leave but most of the agreements made for the uk throught the eu will be slightly adapted and basically stay the same. No need for panic. Todays a good day "That is not going to happen, that's pure fantasy. The trade agreements IF they can negotiate them will leave Britain in a much weaker position. If as is likely they can't negotiate them in the two years, then it will revert to world trade agreements. Basically Britain will be treated like any other country around the world, with the same access and tariffs. | |||
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"I love the irony of the UK independence party and the parts of the Conservative party being responsible for the destruction of the Union. " Sorry? Have the Scots voted and left already? Don't count your chickens lol At the last Independence vote, 'their' oil was trading at close to $150 a barrel and the sums still didn't stack up......now its less than $50 a barrel. It's all a ploy by the Scots to get Brussels to give them money to join.....but if that happened, how long before Brussels turned and bled them dry? Is everyone in the South ready and looking forward to starting to pay their European tax then? The purpose of the European Tax Identification Number is what, if not for that purpose?? | |||
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"What a terrible small minded decision. The term cut off your nose to spite your face springs to mind. Oh dear God, gutted. How can the EU accept free movement between a EU and non EU country, so we're to get a physical border back? Hardly a positive move, what a dark dark terrible day
We've always had a common travel area between Ireland and UK. I can't see that being affected. Realistically the border is not going to be manned by immigration control. They might have spot checks but neither UK or us can afford to man it 24/7."Immigration is a huge issue for England now and they won't want immigrants using the republic as an easy route into their country. Hence I believe its very possible that the new hard border will be between the two islands, rather than along the 6 counties. This will be much easier for them to manage. | |||
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"Truthfully, I view it as a generation that never had a chance to change their mind, after voting for something completely different, 40 years ago....and a new generation that never had their say. It is democracy, in it's purist form, everyone with a vote and all votes equal. For too long, proportional representation has been used to pervert democracy. A true democrat, could have no complaint. Fact, there's been free movement between North and South since partition. Fact, the head of the most influential industrial grouping in Europe(The German confederation of industries)has said he believes trade will continue, largely unaffected. Fact, the world's 5th largest economy can't just disappear. Goods are bought and sold on supply/demand basis....there will still be the demand. Fact, any reaction by the EU will be in spite....nothing has actually changed and won't change, for some time. Fact, all the remaining EU states will have to pay more, to make up the shortfall, left by the UK....BUT if it was a fair and equitable system, then nothing will change? Only if the UK were paying a disproportionately higher amount, should it have a detrimental effect. Only my opinion but personally I'm glad we will have control of our own money and laws again. You're deluded if you think that the uk doesn't have to pay anymore. Just look at Switzerland and Norway and their financial contributions to be part of the EU market but not a EU member. Switzerland and Norway aren't anywhere near the size of economy, of the UK? Scotland had their Independence vote and decided to remain in the UK, the UK voted to leave the EU. Spoilt children, stamping their feet again, because they lost the Independence vote. No Scotland has said , if there was any material or significant impact to their position in the EU, it gives them the right for a second referendum for independence. The majority yesterday voted to remain. " I don't think that clause was in the original Independence referendum agreement? They can't just make these things up, or it'd be a new vote every other week ffs | |||
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"I love the irony of the UK independence party and the parts of the Conservative party being responsible for the destruction of the Union. Sorry? Have the Scots voted and left already? Don't count your chickens lol At the last Independence vote, 'their' oil was trading at close to $150 a barrel and the sums still didn't stack up......now its less than $50 a barrel. It's all a ploy by the Scots to get Brussels to give them money to join.....but if that happened, how long before Brussels turned and bled them dry? Is everyone in the South ready and looking forward to starting to pay their European tax then? The purpose of the European Tax Identification Number is what, if not for that purpose??" Oil prices will only go up so that's a waste of time talking about that and your talk of Europe bleeding us dry? We live with a troika already. We have been bled dry for years. And we are still better off in Europe than out. I know you feel pumped this morning. Well done. Boris Johnson is now being talked about as a possible next PM. You have allowed a nazi party guide you out of one of the largest trade blocks in the world. Viva hate | |||
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"The ripple effect is happening already. Scotland are to hold a second referendum for independence so they can remain in the EU. I wonder will Northern Ireland follow suit. " Both tend to flip flop about...what will N I gain? 60% of our workforce are currently employed in administration. ..Most of it in government agencies or sub agencies...what will those people do? | |||
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"Truthfully, I view it as a generation that never had a chance to change their mind, after voting for something completely different, 40 years ago....and a new generation that never had their say. It is democracy, in it's purist form, everyone with a vote and all votes equal. For too long, proportional representation has been used to pervert democracy. A true democrat, could have no complaint. Fact, there's been free movement between North and South since partition. Fact, the head of the most influential industrial grouping in Europe(The German confederation of industries)has said he believes trade will continue, largely unaffected. Fact, the world's 5th largest economy can't just disappear. Goods are bought and sold on supply/demand basis....there will still be the demand. Fact, any reaction by the EU will be in spite....nothing has actually changed and won't change, for some time. Fact, all the remaining EU states will have to pay more, to make up the shortfall, left by the UK....BUT if it was a fair and equitable system, then nothing will change? Only if the UK were paying a disproportionately higher amount, should it have a detrimental effect. Only my opinion but personally I'm glad we will have control of our own money and laws again. You're deluded if you think that the uk doesn't have to pay anymore. Just look at Switzerland and Norway and their financial contributions to be part of the EU market but not a EU member. Switzerland and Norway aren't anywhere near the size of economy, of the UK? Scotland had their Independence vote and decided to remain in the UK, the UK voted to leave the EU. Spoilt children, stamping their feet again, because they lost the Independence vote. No Scotland has said , if there was any material or significant impact to their position in the EU, it gives them the right for a second referendum for independence. The majority yesterday voted to remain. I don't think that clause was in the original Independence referendum agreement? They can't just make these things up, or it'd be a new vote every other week ffs" It was added to the agreement last month! Hence, why the first minister of scotland has stated there will be a second referendum.If the people of Scotland voted to remain in the EU, they must vote again on independence. | |||
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"What a terrible small minded decision. The term cut off your nose to spite your face springs to mind. Oh dear God, gutted. How can the EU accept free movement between a EU and non EU country, so we're to get a physical border back? Hardly a positive move, what a dark dark terrible day
We've always had a common travel area between Ireland and UK. I can't see that being affected. Realistically the border is not going to be manned by immigration control. They might have spot checks but neither UK or us can afford to man it 24/7.
Immigration is a huge issue for England now and they won't want immigrants using the republic as an easy route into their country. Hence I believe its very possible that the new hard border will be between the two islands, rather than along the 6 counties. This will be much easier for them to manage. "I doubt that. The British army couldn't manage the border | |||
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"I love the irony of the UK independence party and the parts of the Conservative party being responsible for the destruction of the Union. Sorry? Have the Scots voted and left already? Don't count your chickens lol At the last Independence vote, 'their' oil was trading at close to $150 a barrel and the sums still didn't stack up......now its less than $50 a barrel. It's all a ploy by the Scots to get Brussels to give them money to join.....but if that happened, how long before Brussels turned and bled them dry? Is everyone in the South ready and looking forward to starting to pay their European tax then? The purpose of the European Tax Identification Number is what, if not for that purpose?? Oil prices will only go up so that's a waste of time talking about that and your talk of Europe bleeding us dry? We live with a troika already. We have been bled dry for years. And we are still better off in Europe than out. I know you feel pumped this morning. Well done. Boris Johnson is now being talked about as a possible next PM. You have allowed a nazi party guide you out of one of the largest trade blocks in the world. Viva hate" Out of the 20% trade block and opened up opportunity with the other 80% that the EU prevents us from having agreements with?? I think the reaction from the South, is in the realism, that the EU will be a poorer place without the UK and the fear that they might be forced to stand alone, if the EU implodes. I can see why you would be scared of that | |||
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"The ripple effect is happening already. Scotland are to hold a second referendum for independence so they can remain in the EU. I wonder will Northern Ireland follow suit. Both tend to flip flop about...what will N I gain? 60% of our workforce are currently employed in administration. ..Most of it in government agencies or sub agencies...what will those people do?" I work in a food processor. We usually buy from both sides of the border but today we had to scale back our purchases from NI and the UK because it's already uncompetitive for us. I know this will change in a few weeks and sterling will surge again but at the moment that's not the case | |||
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"Truthfully, I view it as a generation that never had a chance to change their mind, after voting for something completely different, 40 years ago....and a new generation that never had their say. It is democracy, in it's purist form, everyone with a vote and all votes equal. For too long, proportional representation has been used to pervert democracy. A true democrat, could have no complaint. Fact, there's been free movement between North and South since partition. Fact, the head of the most influential industrial grouping in Europe(The German confederation of industries)has said he believes trade will continue, largely unaffected. Fact, the world's 5th largest economy can't just disappear. Goods are bought and sold on supply/demand basis....there will still be the demand. Fact, any reaction by the EU will be in spite....nothing has actually changed and won't change, for some time. Fact, all the remaining EU states will have to pay more, to make up the shortfall, left by the UK....BUT if it was a fair and equitable system, then nothing will change? Only if the UK were paying a disproportionately higher amount, should it have a detrimental effect. Only my opinion but personally I'm glad we will have control of our own money and laws again. You're deluded if you think that the uk doesn't have to pay anymore. Just look at Switzerland and Norway and their financial contributions to be part of the EU market but not a EU member. Switzerland and Norway aren't anywhere near the size of economy, of the UK? Scotland had their Independence vote and decided to remain in the UK, the UK voted to leave the EU. Spoilt children, stamping their feet again, because they lost the Independence vote. No Scotland has said , if there was any material or significant impact to their position in the EU, it gives them the right for a second referendum for independence. The majority yesterday voted to remain. I don't think that clause was in the original Independence referendum agreement? They can't just make these things up, or it'd be a new vote every other week ffs It was added to the agreement last month! Hence, why the first minister of scotland has stated there will be a second referendum.If the people of Scotland voted to remain in the EU, they must vote again on independence." Over your head and hit the wall obviously | |||
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"I love the irony of the UK independence party and the parts of the Conservative party being responsible for the destruction of the Union. Sorry? Have the Scots voted and left already? Don't count your chickens lol At the last Independence vote, 'their' oil was trading at close to $150 a barrel and the sums still didn't stack up......now its less than $50 a barrel. It's all a ploy by the Scots to get Brussels to give them money to join.....but if that happened, how long before Brussels turned and bled them dry? Is everyone in the South ready and looking forward to starting to pay their European tax then? The purpose of the European Tax Identification Number is what, if not for that purpose?? Oil prices will only go up so that's a waste of time talking about that and your talk of Europe bleeding us dry? We live with a troika already. We have been bled dry for years. And we are still better off in Europe than out. I know you feel pumped this morning. Well done. Boris Johnson is now being talked about as a possible next PM. You have allowed a nazi party guide you out of one of the largest trade blocks in the world. Viva hate Out of the 20% trade block and opened up opportunity with the other 80% that the EU prevents us from having agreements with?? I think the reaction from the South, is in the realism, that the EU will be a poorer place without the UK and the fear that they might be forced to stand alone, if the EU implodes. I can see why you would be scared of that" I'm scared of busted condoms. And flying ants. The whole politics thing is what it is. I'm comfortable with being a powerless insignificant filament in the larger powerless mass | |||
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"£100 yesterday cost €130.. now it only costs €124" C'mon, bring your £100 up North and spend it, we're on the brink of financial ruin apparently lol | |||
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"Truthfully, I view it as a generation that never had a chance to change their mind, after voting for something completely different, 40 years ago....and a new generation that never had their say. It is democracy, in it's purist form, everyone with a vote and all votes equal. For too long, proportional representation has been used to pervert democracy. A true democrat, could have no complaint. Fact, there's been free movement between North and South since partition. Fact, the head of the most influential industrial grouping in Europe(The German confederation of industries)has said he believes trade will continue, largely unaffected. Fact, the world's 5th largest economy can't just disappear. Goods are bought and sold on supply/demand basis....there will still be the demand. Fact, any reaction by the EU will be in spite....nothing has actually changed and won't change, for some time. Fact, all the remaining EU states will have to pay more, to make up the shortfall, left by the UK....BUT if it was a fair and equitable system, then nothing will change? Only if the UK were paying a disproportionately higher amount, should it have a detrimental effect. Only my opinion but personally I'm glad we will have control of our own money and laws again. You're deluded if you think that the uk doesn't have to pay anymore. Just look at Switzerland and Norway and their financial contributions to be part of the EU market but not a EU member. Switzerland and Norway aren't anywhere near the size of economy, of the UK? Scotland had their Independence vote and decided to remain in the UK, the UK voted to leave the EU. Spoilt children, stamping their feet again, because they lost the Independence vote. No Scotland has said , if there was any material or significant impact to their position in the EU, it gives them the right for a second referendum for independence. The majority yesterday voted to remain. I don't think that clause was in the original Independence referendum agreement? They can't just make these things up, or it'd be a new vote every other week ffs It was added to the agreement last month! Hence, why the first minister of scotland has stated there will be a second referendum.If the people of Scotland voted to remain in the EU, they must vote again on independence. Over your head and hit the wall obviously" This will implode on your head more like if the north follow Scotland. Youre not "free" just yet. | |||
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"£100 yesterday cost €130.. now it only costs €124 C'mon, bring your £100 up North and spend it, we're on the brink of financial ruin apparently lol" Not you. England | |||
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"£100 yesterday cost €130.. now it only costs €124 C'mon, bring your £100 up North and spend it, we're on the brink of financial ruin apparently lol" A lot will be up to shop! | |||
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"As someone mentioned above it will take a while to leave but most of the agreements made for the uk throught the eu will be slightly adapted and basically stay the same. No need for panic. Todays a good day
That is not going to happen, that's pure fantasy. The trade agreements IF they can negotiate them will leave Britain in a much weaker position. If as is likely they can't negotiate them in the two years, then it will revert to world trade agreements. Basically Britain will be treated like any other country around the world, with the same access and tariffs. "Will be easier for Britain to reach trade agreements now with non EU countries since dont have to vote it in through congress. | |||
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"Truthfully, I view it as a generation that never had a chance to change their mind, after voting for something completely different, 40 years ago....and a new generation that never had their say. It is democracy, in it's purist form, everyone with a vote and all votes equal. For too long, proportional representation has been used to pervert democracy. A true democrat, could have no complaint. Fact, there's been free movement between North and South since partition. Fact, the head of the most influential industrial grouping in Europe(The German confederation of industries)has said he believes trade will continue, largely unaffected. Fact, the world's 5th largest economy can't just disappear. Goods are bought and sold on supply/demand basis....there will still be the demand. Fact, any reaction by the EU will be in spite....nothing has actually changed and won't change, for some time. Fact, all the remaining EU states will have to pay more, to make up the shortfall, left by the UK....BUT if it was a fair and equitable system, then nothing will change? Only if the UK were paying a disproportionately higher amount, should it have a detrimental effect. Only my opinion but personally I'm glad we will have control of our own money and laws again. You're deluded if you think that the uk doesn't have to pay anymore. Just look at Switzerland and Norway and their financial contributions to be part of the EU market but not a EU member. Switzerland and Norway aren't anywhere near the size of economy, of the UK? Scotland had their Independence vote and decided to remain in the UK, the UK voted to leave the EU. Spoilt children, stamping their feet again, because they lost the Independence vote. No Scotland has said , if there was any material or significant impact to their position in the EU, it gives them the right for a second referendum for independence. The majority yesterday voted to remain. I don't think that clause was in the original Independence referendum agreement? They can't just make these things up, or it'd be a new vote every other week ffs It was added to the agreement last month! Hence, why the first minister of scotland has stated there will be a second referendum.If the people of Scotland voted to remain in the EU, they must vote again on independence. Over your head and hit the wall obviously This will implode on your head more like if the north follow Scotland. Youre not "free" just yet. " Can something implode on anything other than itself?? I doubt the Nordy's would be voting in their droves for benefit cuts, increased taxes, paying for routine healthcare etc etc etc but I'd welcome the opportunity to test that out lol | |||
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"As someone mentioned above it will take a while to leave but most of the agreements made for the uk throught the eu will be slightly adapted and basically stay the same. No need for panic. Todays a good day
That is not going to happen, that's pure fantasy. The trade agreements IF they can negotiate them will leave Britain in a much weaker position. If as is likely they can't negotiate them in the two years, then it will revert to world trade agreements. Basically Britain will be treated like any other country around the world, with the same access and tariffs.
Will be easier for Britain to reach trade agreements now with non EU countries since dont have to vote it in through congress."And they will get to queue at the non EU passport sections when they go on Spanish holidays | |||
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"As someone mentioned above it will take a while to leave but most of the agreements made for the uk throught the eu will be slightly adapted and basically stay the same. No need for panic. Todays a good day
That is not going to happen, that's pure fantasy. The trade agreements IF they can negotiate them will leave Britain in a much weaker position. If as is likely they can't negotiate them in the two years, then it will revert to world trade agreements. Basically Britain will be treated like any other country around the world, with the same access and tariffs.
Will be easier for Britain to reach trade agreements now with non EU countries since dont have to vote it in through congress.
And they will get to queue at the non EU passport sections when they go on Spanish holidays "What queues??? lol | |||
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"I wonder will ireland now become united now !" It's not just as simple as voting to join the Republic of Ireland. The republic will also have to vote to say if they want us. | |||
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" I meant the Lisbon agreement it would have basially eliminated us from the EU if it secured a no vote... The Lisbon treaty wasn't to join The EU though,as we were already in it. I struggled to believe you were 18 in 1972 myself! You would have aged well!" If it secured a no vote it would have led to being eliminated from the EU. Thanks Minge I think I do | |||
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"Truthfully, I view it as a generation that never had a chance to change their mind, after voting for something completely different, 40 years ago....and a new generation that never had their say. It is democracy, in it's purist form, everyone with a vote and all votes equal. For too long, proportional representation has been used to pervert democracy. A true democrat, could have no complaint. Fact, there's been free movement between North and South since partition. Fact, the head of the most influential industrial grouping in Europe(The German confederation of industries)has said he believes trade will continue, largely unaffected. Fact, the world's 5th largest economy can't just disappear. Goods are bought and sold on supply/demand basis....there will still be the demand. Fact, any reaction by the EU will be in spite....nothing has actually changed and won't change, for some time. Fact, all the remaining EU states will have to pay more, to make up the shortfall, left by the UK....BUT if it was a fair and equitable system, then nothing will change? Only if the UK were paying a disproportionately higher amount, should it have a detrimental effect. Only my opinion but personally I'm glad we will have control of our own money and laws again. You're deluded if you think that the uk doesn't have to pay anymore. Just look at Switzerland and Norway and their financial contributions to be part of the EU market but not a EU member. Switzerland and Norway aren't anywhere near the size of economy, of the UK? Scotland had their Independence vote and decided to remain in the UK, the UK voted to leave the EU. Spoilt children, stamping their feet again, because they lost the Independence vote. No Scotland has said , if there was any material or significant impact to their position in the EU, it gives them the right for a second referendum for independence. The majority yesterday voted to remain. I don't think that clause was in the original Independence referendum agreement? They can't just make these things up, or it'd be a new vote every other week ffs It was added to the agreement last month! Hence, why the first minister of scotland has stated there will be a second referendum.If the people of Scotland voted to remain in the EU, they must vote again on independence. Over your head and hit the wall obviously This will implode on your head more like if the north follow Scotland. Youre not "free" just yet. Can something implode on anything other than itself?? I doubt the Nordy's would be voting in their droves for benefit cuts, increased taxes, paying for routine healthcare etc etc etc but I'd welcome the opportunity to test that out lol " Why did the majority vote choose to remain then? One can only go by what the northern people have said by casting their votes.Time will tell.Didnt Martin McGuinness say this morning he wasnt prepared to rule a referendum out for the people in the north? | |||
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"I wonder will ireland now become united now ! It's not just as simple as voting to join the Republic of Ireland. The republic will also have to vote to say if they want us. " Or at least give us a right to vote on if we want to remain in the EU | |||
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"Truthfully, I view it as a generation that never had a chance to change their mind, after voting for something completely different, 40 years ago....and a new generation that never had their say. It is democracy, in it's purist form, everyone with a vote and all votes equal. For too long, proportional representation has been used to pervert democracy. A true democrat, could have no complaint. Fact, there's been free movement between North and South since partition. Fact, the head of the most influential industrial grouping in Europe(The German confederation of industries)has said he believes trade will continue, largely unaffected. Fact, the world's 5th largest economy can't just disappear. Goods are bought and sold on supply/demand basis....there will still be the demand. Fact, any reaction by the EU will be in spite....nothing has actually changed and won't change, for some time. Fact, all the remaining EU states will have to pay more, to make up the shortfall, left by the UK....BUT if it was a fair and equitable system, then nothing will change? Only if the UK were paying a disproportionately higher amount, should it have a detrimental effect. Only my opinion but personally I'm glad we will have control of our own money and laws again. You're deluded if you think that the uk doesn't have to pay anymore. Just look at Switzerland and Norway and their financial contributions to be part of the EU market but not a EU member. Switzerland and Norway aren't anywhere near the size of economy, of the UK? Scotland had their Independence vote and decided to remain in the UK, the UK voted to leave the EU. Spoilt children, stamping their feet again, because they lost the Independence vote. No Scotland has said , if there was any material or significant impact to their position in the EU, it gives them the right for a second referendum for independence. The majority yesterday voted to remain. I don't think that clause was in the original Independence referendum agreement? They can't just make these things up, or it'd be a new vote every other week ffs It was added to the agreement last month! Hence, why the first minister of scotland has stated there will be a second referendum.If the people of Scotland voted to remain in the EU, they must vote again on independence. Over your head and hit the wall obviously This will implode on your head more like if the north follow Scotland. Youre not "free" just yet. Can something implode on anything other than itself?? I doubt the Nordy's would be voting in their droves for benefit cuts, increased taxes, paying for routine healthcare etc etc etc but I'd welcome the opportunity to test that out lol Why did the majority vote choose to remain then? One can only go by what the northern people have said by casting their votes.Time will tell.Didnt Martin McGuinness say this morning he wasnt prepared to rule a referendum out for the people in the north? " They voted to remain in Europe, as part of the UK? Overall UK voted to leave, that's how it works. So he didn't rule it in then either?? Soundbites...same as Foster saying there won't be one. Say what your electorate want to hear you say. It's all a load of balls | |||
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"Truthfully, I view it as a generation that never had a chance to change their mind, after voting for something completely different, 40 years ago....and a new generation that never had their say. It is democracy, in it's purist form, everyone with a vote and all votes equal. For too long, proportional representation has been used to pervert democracy. A true democrat, could have no complaint. Fact, there's been free movement between North and South since partition. Fact, the head of the most influential industrial grouping in Europe(The German confederation of industries)has said he believes trade will continue, largely unaffected. Fact, the world's 5th largest economy can't just disappear. Goods are bought and sold on supply/demand basis....there will still be the demand. Fact, any reaction by the EU will be in spite....nothing has actually changed and won't change, for some time. Fact, all the remaining EU states will have to pay more, to make up the shortfall, left by the UK....BUT if it was a fair and equitable system, then nothing will change? Only if the UK were paying a disproportionately higher amount, should it have a detrimental effect. Only my opinion but personally I'm glad we will have control of our own money and laws again. You're deluded if you think that the uk doesn't have to pay anymore. Just look at Switzerland and Norway and their financial contributions to be part of the EU market but not a EU member. Switzerland and Norway aren't anywhere near the size of economy, of the UK? " I can't see where the size of the economy comes into play. Switzerland as well as Norway pay hefty and in accordance to their economy towards the EU to trade in The EU market. And the UK will still have to pay over 94% of what it is paying so far to trade further with the EU. So from a financial contribution point of view the UK will gain very little and won't get any special treatment just because it's a bigger economical partner than Norway or Switzerland. If one could calculate the damage to the UK market caused through the Brexit you will that the contribution figure will be eventually higher than ever before. Also it still will have to adjust legislation to be in compliance with EU law. What will change though that the UK won't have anything to say anymore how and where the EU money is spent or won't have any influence in future EU legislation. | |||
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" I doubt the Nordy's would be voting in their droves for benefit cuts, increased taxes, paying for routine healthcare etc etc etc but I'd welcome the opportunity to test that out lol " Average incomes in the south are higher than in the north. Benefits in the south are colossal compared to the north. The NHS is, or at least was, fantastic but it's creaking under the strain at the moment and the future for it isn't exactly clear. There are an awful lot of stealth taxes down here though. Interestingly as well, average incomes in the north were far higher in the north than in the south at the time of partition,and were on a par with incomes in Britain. They're now lower than both, and declining relatively speaking. | |||
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"Truthfully, I view it as a generation that never had a chance to change their mind, after voting for something completely different, 40 years ago....and a new generation that never had their say. It is democracy, in it's purist form, everyone with a vote and all votes equal. For too long, proportional representation has been used to pervert democracy. A true democrat, could have no complaint. Fact, there's been free movement between North and South since partition. Fact, the head of the most influential industrial grouping in Europe(The German confederation of industries)has said he believes trade will continue, largely unaffected. Fact, the world's 5th largest economy can't just disappear. Goods are bought and sold on supply/demand basis....there will still be the demand. Fact, any reaction by the EU will be in spite....nothing has actually changed and won't change, for some time. Fact, all the remaining EU states will have to pay more, to make up the shortfall, left by the UK....BUT if it was a fair and equitable system, then nothing will change? Only if the UK were paying a disproportionately higher amount, should it have a detrimental effect. Only my opinion but personally I'm glad we will have control of our own money and laws again. You're deluded if you think that the uk doesn't have to pay anymore. Just look at Switzerland and Norway and their financial contributions to be part of the EU market but not a EU member. Switzerland and Norway aren't anywhere near the size of economy, of the UK? Scotland had their Independence vote and decided to remain in the UK, the UK voted to leave the EU. Spoilt children, stamping their feet again, because they lost the Independence vote. No Scotland has said , if there was any material or significant impact to their position in the EU, it gives them the right for a second referendum for independence. The majority yesterday voted to remain. I don't think that clause was in the original Independence referendum agreement? They can't just make these things up, or it'd be a new vote every other week ffs It was added to the agreement last month! Hence, why the first minister of scotland has stated there will be a second referendum.If the people of Scotland voted to remain in the EU, they must vote again on independence. Over your head and hit the wall obviously This will implode on your head more like if the north follow Scotland. Youre not "free" just yet. Can something implode on anything other than itself?? I doubt the Nordy's would be voting in their droves for benefit cuts, increased taxes, paying for routine healthcare etc etc etc but I'd welcome the opportunity to test that out lol Why did the majority vote choose to remain then? One can only go by what the northern people have said by casting their votes.Time will tell.Didnt Martin McGuinness say this morning he wasnt prepared to rule a referendum out for the people in the north? They voted to remain in Europe, as part of the UK? Overall UK voted to leave, that's how it works. So he didn't rule it in then either?? Soundbites...same as Foster saying there won't be one. Say what your electorate want to hear you say. It's all a load of balls" Its them that has the balls to play with when they were given them by your people. whatever way you view it I wish you well in your hoped for departure. I hope you find that the grass is indeed greener on the other side. | |||
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" I doubt the Nordy's would be voting in their droves for benefit cuts, increased taxes, paying for routine healthcare etc etc etc but I'd welcome the opportunity to test that out lol Average incomes in the south are higher than in the north. Benefits in the south are colossal compared to the north. The NHS is, or at least was, fantastic but it's creaking under the strain at the moment and the future for it isn't exactly clear. There are an awful lot of stealth taxes down here though. Interestingly as well, average incomes in the north were far higher in the north than in the south at the time of partition,and were on a par with incomes in Britain. They're now lower than both, and declining relatively speaking. " Lend us a 50 then, if you're flush lol | |||
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"Truthfully, I view it as a generation that never had a chance to change their mind, after voting for something completely different, 40 years ago....and a new generation that never had their say. It is democracy, in it's purist form, everyone with a vote and all votes equal. For too long, proportional representation has been used to pervert democracy. A true democrat, could have no complaint. Fact, there's been free movement between North and South since partition. Fact, the head of the most influential industrial grouping in Europe(The German confederation of industries)has said he believes trade will continue, largely unaffected. Fact, the world's 5th largest economy can't just disappear. Goods are bought and sold on supply/demand basis....there will still be the demand. Fact, any reaction by the EU will be in spite....nothing has actually changed and won't change, for some time. Fact, all the remaining EU states will have to pay more, to make up the shortfall, left by the UK....BUT if it was a fair and equitable system, then nothing will change? Only if the UK were paying a disproportionately higher amount, should it have a detrimental effect. Only my opinion but personally I'm glad we will have control of our own money and laws again. You're deluded if you think that the uk doesn't have to pay anymore. Just look at Switzerland and Norway and their financial contributions to be part of the EU market but not a EU member. Switzerland and Norway aren't anywhere near the size of economy, of the UK? Scotland had their Independence vote and decided to remain in the UK, the UK voted to leave the EU. Spoilt children, stamping their feet again, because they lost the Independence vote. No Scotland has said , if there was any material or significant impact to their position in the EU, it gives them the right for a second referendum for independence. The majority yesterday voted to remain. I don't think that clause was in the original Independence referendum agreement? They can't just make these things up, or it'd be a new vote every other week ffs It was added to the agreement last month! Hence, why the first minister of scotland has stated there will be a second referendum.If the people of Scotland voted to remain in the EU, they must vote again on independence. Over your head and hit the wall obviously This will implode on your head more like if the north follow Scotland. Youre not "free" just yet. Can something implode on anything other than itself?? I doubt the Nordy's would be voting in their droves for benefit cuts, increased taxes, paying for routine healthcare etc etc etc but I'd welcome the opportunity to test that out lol Why did the majority vote choose to remain then? One can only go by what the northern people have said by casting their votes.Time will tell.Didnt Martin McGuinness say this morning he wasnt prepared to rule a referendum out for the people in the north? They voted to remain in Europe, as part of the UK? Overall UK voted to leave, that's how it works. So he didn't rule it in then either?? Soundbites...same as Foster saying there won't be one. Say what your electorate want to hear you say. It's all a load of balls Its them that has the balls to play with when they were given them by your people. whatever way you view it I wish you well in your hoped for departure. I hope you find that the grass is indeed greener on the other side. "The grass is ALWAYS greener on the other side......but thanks for the good wishes. It's not without risk, there will be short term pain..... but overall, I truly believe it's for the best. | |||
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"Mr69: Wow! What a night. I know a lot think we've done the wrong thing but enough is enough. Our destiny should be in our hands, not Brussels'. Ireland is as long as I've lived there been a pro EU country, Britain hasn't. We get a lot less out of the EU than Ireland does & a lot of people here no longer see the benefits of being a member. At least we got rid of Cameron too!
Actually I'm delighted! I say fair fucks to the UK for their brave vote! It shows they have balls and won't be messed about....
I voted not to join the EU way back in the day and as far as I'm concerned all it done is fck us up we answer to Brussels and wasn't that what we fought so long and hard for was not to answer to any country yet in 2016 were on our knees!!
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"In January 1973 Ireland became a member of the European Economic Community(EEC) In 2001 65% of Ireland voted against the Nice Treaty!! (The Nice Treaty amended the Maastricht Treaty) In 2002 euro notes & coins came into general circulation in 12 countries. In October of the same year Ireland held a 2nd referendum on the Nice Treaty of which almost 63% voted for it. In 2008 Ireland held a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty of which we were the only EU member state to do so. I am very surprised nobody has mentioned the treatys bar one person!! "Thanks Rosie yes this is what I was referring to and unless they have no idea about politics they probably knew but two decided to be sarcastic and have a dig! Little minds are easily amused... | |||
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"In January 1973 Ireland became a member of the European Economic Community(EEC) In 2001 65% of Ireland voted against the Nice Treaty!! (The Nice Treaty amended the Maastricht Treaty) In 2002 euro notes & coins came into general circulation in 12 countries. In October of the same year Ireland held a 2nd referendum on the Nice Treaty of which almost 63% voted for it. In 2008 Ireland held a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty of which we were the only EU member state to do so. I am very surprised nobody has mentioned the treatys bar one person!! "Why are you surprised nobody mentioned them? | |||
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"In January 1973 Ireland became a member of the European Economic Community(EEC) In 2001 65% of Ireland voted against the Nice Treaty!! (The Nice Treaty amended the Maastricht Treaty) In 2002 euro notes & coins came into general circulation in 12 countries. In October of the same year Ireland held a 2nd referendum on the Nice Treaty of which almost 63% voted for it. In 2008 Ireland held a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty of which we were the only EU member state to do so. I am very surprised nobody has mentioned the treatys bar one person!!
Why are you surprised nobody mentioned them? "Sweetie you really should comment when it comes to big people's conversations | |||
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"In January 1973 Ireland became a member of the European Economic Community(EEC) In 2001 65% of Ireland voted against the Nice Treaty!! (The Nice Treaty amended the Maastricht Treaty) In 2002 euro notes & coins came into general circulation in 12 countries. In October of the same year Ireland held a 2nd referendum on the Nice Treaty of which almost 63% voted for it. In 2008 Ireland held a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty of which we were the only EU member state to do so. I am very surprised nobody has mentioned the treatys bar one person!! "Because the treaties aren't really relevant to this discussion. | |||
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"In January 1973 Ireland became a member of the European Economic Community(EEC) In 2001 65% of Ireland voted against the Nice Treaty!! (The Nice Treaty amended the Maastricht Treaty) In 2002 euro notes & coins came into general circulation in 12 countries. In October of the same year Ireland held a 2nd referendum on the Nice Treaty of which almost 63% voted for it. In 2008 Ireland held a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty of which we were the only EU member state to do so. I am very surprised nobody has mentioned the treatys bar one person!!
Why are you surprised nobody mentioned them?
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"In January 1973 Ireland became a member of the European Economic Community(EEC) In 2001 65% of Ireland voted against the Nice Treaty!! (The Nice Treaty amended the Maastricht Treaty) In 2002 euro notes & coins came into general circulation in 12 countries. In October of the same year Ireland held a 2nd referendum on the Nice Treaty of which almost 63% voted for it. In 2008 Ireland held a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty of which we were the only EU member state to do so. I am very surprised nobody has mentioned the treatys bar one person!!
Thanks Rosie yes this is what I was referring to and unless they have no idea about politics they probably knew but two decided to be sarcastic and have a dig!
Little minds are easily amused..."Here now, calm down. You said you voted not to join the EU. That vote was in 72. You could have worded it better. I wasn't sarcastic about it. | |||
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"In January 1973 Ireland became a member of the European Economic Community(EEC) In 2001 65% of Ireland voted against the Nice Treaty!! (The Nice Treaty amended the Maastricht Treaty) In 2002 euro notes & coins came into general circulation in 12 countries. In October of the same year Ireland held a 2nd referendum on the Nice Treaty of which almost 63% voted for it. In 2008 Ireland held a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty of which we were the only EU member state to do so. I am very surprised nobody has mentioned the treatys bar one person!!
Why are you surprised nobody mentioned them? "Because the treatys played a big part in the state of things today especially the Lisbon treaty, because that's when all the taxes came in putting the country into dissary, having to support other countries putting us in serious debt because of it, bringing in tax after tax, upping the prices of things..... ....... it affected not just Ireland but all the countries & outside the EU!! England did right by not changing their currency..... | |||
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" Because the treatys played a big part in the state of things today especially the Lisbon treaty, because that's when all the taxes came in putting the country into dissary, having to support other countries putting us in serious debt because of it, bringing in tax after tax, upping the prices of things..... ....... it affected not just Ireland but all the countries & outside the EU!! England did right by not changing their currency....." Well said Rosie... Girl you know your stuff | |||
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"In January 1973 Ireland became a member of the European Economic Community(EEC) In 2001 65% of Ireland voted against the Nice Treaty!! (The Nice Treaty amended the Maastricht Treaty) In 2002 euro notes & coins came into general circulation in 12 countries. In October of the same year Ireland held a 2nd referendum on the Nice Treaty of which almost 63% voted for it. In 2008 Ireland held a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty of which we were the only EU member state to do so. I am very surprised nobody has mentioned the treatys bar one person!!
Why are you surprised nobody mentioned them?
Because the treatys played a big part in the state of things today especially the Lisbon treaty, because that's when all the taxes came in putting the country into dissary, having to support other countries putting us in serious debt because of it, bringing in tax after tax, upping the prices of things.....
....... it affected not just Ireland but all the countries & outside the EU!! England did right by not changing their currency....."all the countries in the EU & outside it I meant to say!! | |||
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"In January 1973 Ireland became a member of the European Economic Community(EEC) In 2001 65% of Ireland voted against the Nice Treaty!! (The Nice Treaty amended the Maastricht Treaty) In 2002 euro notes & coins came into general circulation in 12 countries. In October of the same year Ireland held a 2nd referendum on the Nice Treaty of which almost 63% voted for it. In 2008 Ireland held a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty of which we were the only EU member state to do so. I am very surprised nobody has mentioned the treatys bar one person!!
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"In January 1973 Ireland became a member of the European Economic Community(EEC) In 2001 65% of Ireland voted against the Nice Treaty!! (The Nice Treaty amended the Maastricht Treaty) In 2002 euro notes & coins came into general circulation in 12 countries. In October of the same year Ireland held a 2nd referendum on the Nice Treaty of which almost 63% voted for it. In 2008 Ireland held a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty of which we were the only EU member state to do so. I am very surprised nobody has mentioned the treatys bar one person!!
Why are you surprised nobody mentioned them?
Sweetie you really should comment when it comes to big people's conversations
"Wow Annie..I thought that you were bigger than that! Public forum so anyone can comment in fairness. I dont know what your beef is with Penelope and nor do i wish to, but come on girl,, have a bit of decorum and grace to allow opinion and questions. | |||
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"In January 1973 Ireland became a member of the European Economic Community(EEC) In 2001 65% of Ireland voted against the Nice Treaty!! (The Nice Treaty amended the Maastricht Treaty) In 2002 euro notes & coins came into general circulation in 12 countries. In October of the same year Ireland held a 2nd referendum on the Nice Treaty of which almost 63% voted for it. In 2008 Ireland held a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty of which we were the only EU member state to do so. I am very surprised nobody has mentioned the treatys bar one person!!
Why are you surprised nobody mentioned them?
Sweetie you really should comment when it comes to big people's conversations
Wow Annie..I thought that you were bigger than that! Public forum so anyone can comment in fairness. I dont know what your beef is with Penelope and nor do i wish to, but come on girl,, have a bit of decorum and grace to allow opinion and questions. " | |||
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"We r now sailing our own ship now at least " Let's hope it's sails better than Titanic as this new raft has far fewer lifeboats than the tanker we have jumped off. | |||
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"In January 1973 Ireland became a member of the European Economic Community(EEC) In 2001 65% of Ireland voted against the Nice Treaty!! (The Nice Treaty amended the Maastricht Treaty) In 2002 euro notes & coins came into general circulation in 12 countries. In October of the same year Ireland held a 2nd referendum on the Nice Treaty of which almost 63% voted for it. In 2008 Ireland held a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty of which we were the only EU member state to do so. I am very surprised nobody has mentioned the treatys bar one person!!
Why are you surprised nobody mentioned them?
Sweetie you really should comment when it comes to big people's conversations
Wow Annie..I thought that you were bigger than that! Public forum so anyone can comment in fairness. I dont know what your beef is with Penelope and nor do i wish to, but come on girl,, have a bit of decorum and grace to allow opinion and questions. " | |||
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"In January 1973 Ireland became a member of the European Economic Community(EEC) In 2001 65% of Ireland voted against the Nice Treaty!! (The Nice Treaty amended the Maastricht Treaty) In 2002 euro notes & coins came into general circulation in 12 countries. In October of the same year Ireland held a 2nd referendum on the Nice Treaty of which almost 63% voted for it. In 2008 Ireland held a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty of which we were the only EU member state to do so. I am very surprised nobody has mentioned the treatys bar one person!!
Why are you surprised nobody mentioned them?
Sweetie you really should comment when it comes to big people's conversations
Wow Annie..I thought that you were bigger than that! Public forum so anyone can comment in fairness. I dont know what your beef is with Penelope and nor do i wish to, but come on girl,, have a bit of decorum and grace to allow opinion and questions. "No beef whatsoever!!! Well I've none with her.... I'm sure she loves me equally | |||
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"In January 1973 Ireland became a member of the European Economic Community(EEC) In 2001 65% of Ireland voted against the Nice Treaty!! (The Nice Treaty amended the Maastricht Treaty) In 2002 euro notes & coins came into general circulation in 12 countries. In October of the same year Ireland held a 2nd referendum on the Nice Treaty of which almost 63% voted for it. In 2008 Ireland held a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty of which we were the only EU member state to do so. I am very surprised nobody has mentioned the treatys bar one person!!
Why are you surprised nobody mentioned them?
Sweetie you really should comment when it comes to big people's conversations
Wow Annie..I thought that you were bigger than that! Public forum so anyone can comment in fairness. I dont know what your beef is with Penelope and nor do i wish to, but come on girl,, have a bit of decorum and grace to allow opinion and questions.
No beef whatsoever!!!
Well I've none with her....
I'm sure she loves me equally "Well i certainly hope so! i thought the women watched each others backs here! Not tore them off with sly digs. come on Annie..behave yourself or ill bitch slap you. | |||
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"In January 1973 Ireland became a member of the European Economic Community(EEC) In 2001 65% of Ireland voted against the Nice Treaty!! (The Nice Treaty amended the Maastricht Treaty) In 2002 euro notes & coins came into general circulation in 12 countries. In October of the same year Ireland held a 2nd referendum on the Nice Treaty of which almost 63% voted for it. In 2008 Ireland held a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty of which we were the only EU member state to do so. I am very surprised nobody has mentioned the treatys bar one person!!
Why are you surprised nobody mentioned them?
Sweetie you really should comment when it comes to big people's conversations
Wow Annie..I thought that you were bigger than that! Public forum so anyone can comment in fairness. I dont know what your beef is with Penelope and nor do i wish to, but come on girl,, have a bit of decorum and grace to allow opinion and questions.
No beef whatsoever!!!
Well I've none with her....
I'm sure she loves me equally
Well i certainly hope so! i thought the women watched each others backs here! Not tore them off with sly digs. come on Annie..behave yourself or ill bitch slap you. "Promise  | |||
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"In January 1973 Ireland became a member of the European Economic Community(EEC) In 2001 65% of Ireland voted against the Nice Treaty!! (The Nice Treaty amended the Maastricht Treaty) In 2002 euro notes & coins came into general circulation in 12 countries. In October of the same year Ireland held a 2nd referendum on the Nice Treaty of which almost 63% voted for it. In 2008 Ireland held a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty of which we were the only EU member state to do so. I am very surprised nobody has mentioned the treatys bar one person!!
Why are you surprised nobody mentioned them?
Sweetie you really should comment when it comes to big people's conversations
Wow Annie..I thought that you were bigger than that! Public forum so anyone can comment in fairness. I dont know what your beef is with Penelope and nor do i wish to, but come on girl,, have a bit of decorum and grace to allow opinion and questions.
No beef whatsoever!!!
Well I've none with her....
I'm sure she loves me equally
Well i certainly hope so! i thought the women watched each others backs here! Not tore them off with sly digs. come on Annie..behave yourself or ill bitch slap you.
Promise "Get the bittys out there girl.. ill do again what i did last time! | |||
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"In January 1973 Ireland became a member of the European Economic Community(EEC) In 2001 65% of Ireland voted against the Nice Treaty!! (The Nice Treaty amended the Maastricht Treaty) In 2002 euro notes & coins came into general circulation in 12 countries. In October of the same year Ireland held a 2nd referendum on the Nice Treaty of which almost 63% voted for it. In 2008 Ireland held a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty of which we were the only EU member state to do so. I am very surprised nobody has mentioned the treatys bar one person!!
Why are you surprised nobody mentioned them?
Sweetie you really should comment when it comes to big people's conversations
Wow Annie..I thought that you were bigger than that! Public forum so anyone can comment in fairness. I dont know what your beef is with Penelope and nor do i wish to, but come on girl,, have a bit of decorum and grace to allow opinion and questions.
No beef whatsoever!!!
Well I've none with her....
I'm sure she loves me equally
Well i certainly hope so! i thought the women watched each others backs here! Not tore them off with sly digs. come on Annie..behave yourself or ill bitch slap you.
Promise
Get the bittys out there girl.. ill do again what i did last time! "Ooooooooo.....My nippers stung for days!!!! | |||
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"In January 1973 Ireland became a member of the European Economic Community(EEC) In 2001 65% of Ireland voted against the Nice Treaty!! (The Nice Treaty amended the Maastricht Treaty) In 2002 euro notes & coins came into general circulation in 12 countries. In October of the same year Ireland held a 2nd referendum on the Nice Treaty of which almost 63% voted for it. In 2008 Ireland held a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty of which we were the only EU member state to do so. I am very surprised nobody has mentioned the treatys bar one person!!
Why are you surprised nobody mentioned them?
Sweetie you really should comment when it comes to big people's conversations
Wow Annie..I thought that you were bigger than that! Public forum so anyone can comment in fairness. I dont know what your beef is with Penelope and nor do i wish to, but come on girl,, have a bit of decorum and grace to allow opinion and questions.
No beef whatsoever!!!
Well I've none with her....
I'm sure she loves me equally
Well i certainly hope so! i thought the women watched each others backs here! Not tore them off with sly digs. come on Annie..behave yourself or ill bitch slap you.
Promise
Get the bittys out there girl.. ill do again what i did last time!
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"In January 1973 Ireland became a member of the European Economic Community(EEC) In 2001 65% of Ireland voted against the Nice Treaty!! (The Nice Treaty amended the Maastricht Treaty) In 2002 euro notes & coins came into general circulation in 12 countries. In October of the same year Ireland held a 2nd referendum on the Nice Treaty of which almost 63% voted for it. In 2008 Ireland held a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty of which we were the only EU member state to do so. I am very surprised nobody has mentioned the treatys bar one person!!
Why are you surprised nobody mentioned them?
Sweetie you really should comment when it comes to big people's conversations
Wow Annie..I thought that you were bigger than that! Public forum so anyone can comment in fairness. I dont know what your beef is with Penelope and nor do i wish to, but come on girl,, have a bit of decorum and grace to allow opinion and questions.
No beef whatsoever!!!
Well I've none with her....
I'm sure she loves me equally
Well i certainly hope so! i thought the women watched each others backs here! Not tore them off with sly digs. come on Annie..behave yourself or ill bitch slap you.
Promise
Get the bittys out there girl.. ill do again what i did last time!
Ooooooooo.....My nippers stung for days!!!!
Ill bruise them for a month next time if i get anymore guff from you! "No more... #peace #love #Lisbon treaty | |||
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"crazy Brits!....They will now lose scotland and northern ireland to independence....London will suffer hugely....all for an ego play? mental rise in irish passport applications!..." get a grip grab the bull by the horns and get on with it | |||
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"Every region in Scotland voted to remain. Bye bye UK! " | |||
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"It's funny, I keep seeing people post it will be better in the long run. But I have not seen anyone suggest how it will be better. Apart from the notional idea of sovereignty, I can't really see how. Being able to negotiate individual trade agreements doesn't mean better ones. It won't impact immigration in anyway, except that there will most likely be less jobs to attract immigrants into. Europe never imposed laws on Britain. It couldn't, Britain always had a veto and it's elected parliament had to enact any law changes. So all in all I haven't actually seen any valid upside to leaving. " Your analysis is quite right...most of it It was a very clever plaid game fooling the population to believe they follow am anti establishment sentiment whilst it is the most conservative part of the establishment promoting and sponsoring the leave Very soon UK will have lots of busted farms..their land for cheap grab for developers, a backbone broken NHS, a collapsing finance industry as with UK out the Finance industry will move to Dublin, Frankfurt and Paris. Genetic manipulated food will access the market and protected wildlife will be ransacked for profit. It will not take long till the majority will ask OMG what have we done....if it hasn't started already But it is also good...as it pushes the remaining EU to work hard on some overdue reforms as well as advancing to make the European dream appealing again for its citizen. Those who talk about their so admirable souvereignity in a globalized world are living in a past where I doubt whether this past was so brilliant after all | |||
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"It's funny, I keep seeing people post it will be better in the long run. But I have not seen anyone suggest how it will be better. Apart from the notional idea of sovereignty, I can't really see how. Being able to negotiate individual trade agreements doesn't mean better ones. It won't impact immigration in anyway, except that there will most likely be less jobs to attract immigrants into. Europe never imposed laws on Britain. It couldn't, Britain always had a veto and it's elected parliament had to enact any law changes. So all in all I haven't actually seen any valid upside to leaving. Your analysis is quite right...most of it It was a very clever plaid game fooling the population to believe they follow am anti establishment sentiment whilst it is the most conservative part of the establishment promoting and sponsoring the leave Very soon UK will have lots of busted farms..their land for cheap grab for developers, a backbone broken NHS, a collapsing finance industry as with UK out the Finance industry will move to Dublin, Frankfurt and Paris. Genetic manipulated food will access the market and protected wildlife will be ransacked for profit. It will not take long till the majority will ask OMG what have we done....if it hasn't started already But it is also good...as it pushes the remaining EU to work hard on some overdue reforms as well as advancing to make the European dream appealing again for its citizen. Those who talk about their so admirable souvereignity in a globalized world are living in a past where I doubt whether this past was so brilliant after all " Mr69: Duh duh durrrr! "Tune in next week to see how far down the pan the UK has been flushed". We'll be fine guys, we have strength, money & a new direction to sail in, its the rest of the EU that should be worried. | |||
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"£100 yesterday cost €130.. now it only costs €124 C'mon, bring your £100 up North and spend it, we're on the brink of financial ruin apparently lol" Indeed...that's what all the stayers want to think...but let them watch the sterling climb back up each day... I keep asking this but no one answered....why was the sterling stronger than the Euro when apparently the Euro economy is so great? ?? Why is it stronger than the Dollar...such a huge economy... Now that we're on the brink of financial collapse and we're all going to loose our jobs and the banks are collapsing around us and our housing market has fallen through...why is the sterling still stronger than the Euro and the Dollar. Face the reality it was never going to be the doom that the stayers were saying as fear mongerers... the reality is completely opposite and the ordinary person could see that as they voted to show. Great day for democracy, great day for the common people. | |||
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"No dear you don't . The core of British manufacturing is in foreign hands already. American, Japanese, German, Indians. Frankfurt had succeeded London in trade volumes already long. With the pending take over if the London exchange by Deutsche Boerse - Once fulfilled the synergy for this deal will be made on the back of the Nritish employees with all collateral effects Whilst there will be capacities sustained to cover the UK market, all capacities which were supposed to produce for the EU market now will be moved elsewhere within the EU. I am busy with planning those kind of moves for a few of such companies. But never mind....enjoy your "independence". The money powers who drive this world don't mind your national pride, they all it matters is a high yield. Doesn't take a lot of math to understand that UK capacities for EU markets will have significant higher admin cost. That places the benefit of such capacities ad absurdism.....unless UK labor forces is willing to compensate the extra burden incurred by handing in a good slice of their paycheck. I could imagine that pay levels like in Spain or Eastern Eirope could make it attractive for many to sustain foot in the UK. It is unlikely that the British work force is keen to bring this kind of sacirisfy though. Enjoy your freedom "Not sure what advisory position you hold... but your fruit machine is going to give you much yield... not sure how your argument stands up but our economy is primarily based upon our housing market not manufacturer. ..that was lost 40 plus years ago. As far as the world financial centre is concerned....continue to watch London. ..Most of these institutions are overtly traditional and they know they can make their money anywhere but they've all agreed that centralising it in one place makes sense...now do you really think they could all agree to move to another place....and if so for what reason and at what cost? It won't be Europe....many are watching closely at those other 5 countries who are considering a reforendum on leaving or staying and then what would happen to the EU if others choose the same? Those currently in it will be looking at seeing how they can patch a sinking ship full of cargo. | |||
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"We move from access to a trade market, roughly 20% of the world economy, to access to 100%. The German head of confederation of industry, has publicly stated, there is no actual reason for change in trading deals. There will still be the demand for UK goods, in EU, which can't be sourced elsewhere and UK will still want to buy from EU countries.....but now have access to elsewhere, to source alternatives. Any tariffs/restrictions will be purely punitive and done in spite, by the fat cat, unelected Eurocrats, who are scared of France and others following suit. The falls in Sterling and Stock Markets were much smaller than predicted and it was other countries that took a hit....as they woke up and smelt the coffee, over how much the UK leaving the EU, would weaken the EU and NOT the UK. More likelihood of the Euro collapsing, than Sterling tbh" Someone who is thinking with their head...
We have actually just made a monumental decision that will have a huge impact on others in the EU.
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"We move from access to a trade market, roughly 20% of the world economy, to access to 100%. The German head of confederation of industry, has publicly stated, there is no actual reason for change in trading deals. There will still be the demand for UK goods, in EU, which can't be sourced elsewhere and UK will still want to buy from EU countries.....but now have access to elsewhere, to source alternatives. Any tariffs/restrictions will be purely punitive and done in spite, by the fat cat, unelected Eurocrats, who are scared of France and others following suit." There will be a long-term economic benefit to making life very difficult for Britain to get good deals in the EU. If the EU can squeeze Britain it will make it a very unattractive place for large companies to invest and remain in. | |||
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"We move from access to a trade market, roughly 20% of the world economy, to access to 100%. The German head of confederation of industry, has publicly stated, there is no actual reason for change in trading deals. There will still be the demand for UK goods, in EU, which can't be sourced elsewhere and UK will still want to buy from EU countries.....but now have access to elsewhere, to source alternatives. Any tariffs/restrictions will be purely punitive and done in spite, by the fat cat, unelected Eurocrats, who are scared of France and others following suit. There will be a long-term economic benefit to making life very difficult for Britain to get good deals in the EU. If the EU can squeeze Britain it will make it a very unattractive place for large companies to invest and remain in. " That's a very inward looking opinion, one of the economic points of UK leaving, was to gain access to the World(bigger than Europe) markets, that the EU currently prevents the UK doing. You only reinforce the point that the Eurocrats are vindictive, towards any country that has their own mind. Juncker has already thrown the toys out of the pram, by saying go now. As far as I'm aware, the UK decides when to invoke Art 50.......yet again the EU tries to bully. I admit, I was shocked the vote actually was to Leave BUT, on reflection, I'm not as pessimistic as I thought I would be....I see many positives. | |||
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"We move from access to a trade market, roughly 20% of the world economy, to access to 100%. The German head of confederation of industry, has publicly stated, there is no actual reason for change in trading deals. There will still be the demand for UK goods, in EU, which can't be sourced elsewhere and UK will still want to buy from EU countries.....but now have access to elsewhere, to source alternatives. Any tariffs/restrictions will be purely punitive and done in spite, by the fat cat, unelected Eurocrats, who are scared of France and others following suit. There will be a long-term economic benefit to making life very difficult for Britain to get good deals in the EU. If the EU can squeeze Britain it will make it a very unattractive place for large companies to invest and remain in. That's a very inward looking opinion, one of the economic points of UK leaving, was to gain access to the World(bigger than Europe) markets, that the EU currently prevents the UK doing. You only reinforce the point that the Eurocrats are vindictive, towards any country that has their own mind. Juncker has already thrown the toys out of the pram, by saying go now. As far as I'm aware, the UK decides when to invoke Art 50.......yet again the EU tries to bully. I admit, I was shocked the vote actually was to Leave BUT, on reflection, I'm not as pessimistic as I thought I would be....I see many positives." You will gain access to the world. But how beneficial will that actually be if trading with European becomes a lot more prohibitive? You call it vindictive but I call it sensible. The job of the EU is to look after the EU. They'd be stupid not to try and take advantage of Britain leaving the EU. I certainly hope Ireland are going to work very hard to persuade companies in England to move over to Ireland now. | |||
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"We move from access to a trade market, roughly 20% of the world economy, to access to 100%. The German head of confederation of industry, has publicly stated, there is no actual reason for change in trading deals. There will still be the demand for UK goods, in EU, which can't be sourced elsewhere and UK will still want to buy from EU countries.....but now have access to elsewhere, to source alternatives. Any tariffs/restrictions will be purely punitive and done in spite, by the fat cat, unelected Eurocrats, who are scared of France and others following suit. There will be a long-term economic benefit to making life very difficult for Britain to get good deals in the EU. If the EU can squeeze Britain it will make it a very unattractive place for large companies to invest and remain in. That's a very inward looking opinion, one of the economic points of UK leaving, was to gain access to the World(bigger than Europe) markets, that the EU currently prevents the UK doing. You only reinforce the point that the Eurocrats are vindictive, towards any country that has their own mind. Juncker has already thrown the toys out of the pram, by saying go now. As far as I'm aware, the UK decides when to invoke Art 50.......yet again the EU tries to bully. I admit, I was shocked the vote actually was to Leave BUT, on reflection, I'm not as pessimistic as I thought I would be....I see many positives. You will gain access to the world. But how beneficial will that actually be if trading with European becomes a lot more prohibitive? You call it vindictive but I call it sensible. The job of the EU is to look after the EU. They'd be stupid not to try and take advantage of Britain leaving the EU. I certainly hope Ireland are going to work very hard to persuade companies in England to move over to Ireland now. " Time will tell but the EU as a whole, cannot afford to exclude the World's 5th biggest economy from trade. They're huffing and puffing but are they really that stupid? The question the South should be asking, is who picks up the tab, to make up the shortfall when the UK leaves?? Will that be when they enforce the new European Tax, that they plan to issue European Tax Identification Numbers, to every EU citizen, for?? But then, some have argued that everyone in the South is wealthy, due to EU membership, so you all won't mind paying a few Euro to Brussels to bail out the Countries with failing economies. Watch what you wish for.... | |||
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"Aaaaah yes the bailouts, at last somebody points that out it's because of the treatys - The Nice Treaty & The Lisbon Treaty that has been the cause of the downfall in this economy & why England I suspect, chose to leave the EU as well as not wanting to be dictated to from the EU..... In my opinion and I will continue to say that in 10 years & 20 years to come or for whatever long it takes but the EU will no longer be....... watch this space....." Agree watch how every other country starts to exit the EU. | |||
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