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"My pics are so damn hot they are dangerous, does that make them unsafe?.... " that's why I continually stop myself from perusing your profile....feel I am at risk merely looking at'em | |||
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"My pics are so damn hot they are dangerous, does that make them unsafe?.... that's why I continually stop myself from perusing your profile....feel I am at risk merely looking at'em" I'm sorry about that Ollie! What can I say.... | |||
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"Mine do contain the occasional choke hazard. " And eyebrow raise... | |||
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"We all understand the value and importance of a strong profile picture and love interesting picture....but how safe are they? I am always amazed how so many have face pictures on public ...or explicit pictures with highly recognisable markings like tattoos and percising for example........what are others thoughts?" Safe in what way ? Are you talking about just being recognised ? Or pics being stolen ? I've actually been recognised quite a bit , and received mails from people who've seen me on the street , or just saw my pics here and know me ( my brothers friend mailed me to say did I know my pics were public. !!! ) , mostly I'd say because my hair colour is very obvious . But I don't mind who knows I'm on here | |||
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"We all understand the value and importance of a strong profile picture and love interesting picture....but how safe are they? I am always amazed how so many have face pictures on public ...or explicit pictures with highly recognisable markings like tattoos and percising for example........what are others thoughts?" A lot of people on swing sites are no longer putting as much emphasis on profile pics... It does not stop them from enjoying the lifestyle... People are certainly more aware of the risks of sharing, displaying pics ect... However, it does not stop some sad people abusing their wish to remain anonymous.. I know of a couple who were threatned by a woman, told she would make their pics public.. How totaly tragic I suppose it is up to the individuals, each to their own really... | |||
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"They aren't safe at all, mine have been posted to a couple of image sharing sites. I don't have face pics here even privately anymore never mind publicly. You just have no idea where they could end up, but that's the risk you take when you upload a pic on a site like this. " | |||
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"They aren't safe at all, mine have been posted to a couple of image sharing sites. I don't have face pics here even privately anymore never mind publicly. You just have no idea where they could end up, but that's the risk you take when you upload a pic on a site like this. " Even the private ones are accessible if you know how! | |||
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"They aren't safe at all, mine have been posted to a couple of image sharing sites. I don't have face pics here even privately anymore never mind publicly. You just have no idea where they could end up, but that's the risk you take when you upload a pic on a site like this. Even the private ones are accessible if you know how!" If you are aware of this as a fact, should you not let admin know, save people have private images looked at or stolen?? | |||
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"They aren't safe at all, mine have been posted to a couple of image sharing sites. I don't have face pics here even privately anymore never mind publicly. You just have no idea where they could end up, but that's the risk you take when you upload a pic on a site like this. Even the private ones are accessible if you know how!" Really? All I have is what's showing on my profile anyway which is very little. | |||
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"They aren't safe at all, mine have been posted to a couple of image sharing sites. I don't have face pics here even privately anymore never mind publicly. You just have no idea where they could end up, but that's the risk you take when you upload a pic on a site like this. Even the private ones are accessible if you know how!" I'm pretty sure thats not true unless you know the password for someone's account. Private pics are fairly secure. | |||
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"Mine do contain the occasional choke hazard. " What, furballs?? | |||
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"My pics are so damn hot they are dangerous, does that make them unsafe?.... that's why I continually stop myself from perusing your profile....feel I am at risk merely looking at'em I'm sorry about that Ollie! What can I say.... " That was me...Ollie that wrote that response.... ...ruined it for ya now....hehe On a more serious note....i got to get me some of those waistcoats... | |||
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"My pics are so damn hot they are dangerous, does that make them unsafe?.... that's why I continually stop myself from perusing your profile....feel I am at risk merely looking at'em I'm sorry about that Ollie! What can I say.... That was me...Ollie that wrote that response.... ...ruined it for ya now....hehe On a more serious note....i got to get me some of those waistcoats... " All it takes is 1, that's why I've 3 | |||
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"Apart from people on here no one would even believe they are me in my pic's. I have no outstanding marks so they can steal and do what they want with them. I am careful when taking pic's so no one in my normal life would know they are me " Apples does all our photography ...you never know when she'll start snapping..or shout.. "Hold it!...don't move" then go rummaging for her box brownie... I often look at myself in her pictures and think wow...however,then I'm brought crashing down to earth by the view in the bathroom mirror... Who am I kidding...I'm like a well hung version of Michaelangelo's David... Ollie | |||
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"I think it's up to the person themselves weather they're comfortable or not with what they use as a profile pic. " If they weren't comfortable. ... 1.Why would 'they' put it up...? 2.Why are we talking in the third person...? 3.I shouldn't post after the third Leffe...I know.. Ollie | |||
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"I think it's up to the person themselves weather they're comfortable or not with what they use as a profile pic. If they weren't comfortable. ... 1.Why would 'they' put it up...? 2.Why are we talking in the third person...? 3.I shouldn't post after the third Leffe...I know.. Ollie " My apologys I must have misread the end of your original post....you know...when you asked for others thoughts??? or were you only referring to those that would agree with you? | |||
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"I think it's up to the person themselves weather they're comfortable or not with what they use as a profile pic. If they weren't comfortable. ... 1.Why would 'they' put it up...? 2.Why are we talking in the third person...? 3.I shouldn't post after the third Leffe...I know.. Ollie My apologys I must have misread the end of your original post....you know...when you asked for others thoughts??? or were you only referring to those that would agree with you? " You didn't offer an opinion... and I didn't disagree with your statement. .. Why would anyone post anything they weren't comfortable with? Ollie | |||
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"I think it's up to the person themselves weather they're comfortable or not with what they use as a profile pic. If they weren't comfortable. ... 1.Why would 'they' put it up...? 2.Why are we talking in the third person...? 3.I shouldn't post after the third Leffe...I know.. Ollie My apologys I must have misread the end of your original post....you know...when you asked for others thoughts??? or were you only referring to those that would agree with you? You didn't offer an opinion... and I didn't disagree with your statement. .. Why would anyone post anything they weren't comfortable with? Ollie" Well I thought I did offer an opinion...but we shall agree to differ.... | |||
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"I think it's up to the person themselves weather they're comfortable or not with what they use as a profile pic. If they weren't comfortable. ... 1.Why would 'they' put it up...? 2.Why are we talking in the third person...? 3.I shouldn't post after the third Leffe...I know.. Ollie My apologys I must have misread the end of your original post....you know...when you asked for others thoughts??? or were you only referring to those that would agree with you? You didn't offer an opinion... and I didn't disagree with your statement. .. Why would anyone post anything they weren't comfortable with? Ollie Well I thought I did offer an opinion...but we shall agree to differ...." An agreement requires both sides to come to an understanding. .. We didn't... You've played the unicorn "I can say anything I want because I'm a single female card"...even if it makes no sense...no matter how hard you stamp your feet... The world of swing...as far as I've observed is a liberated place.. Where all calls, posts and judgements are made of people's own free will, even more so than in the real world...All I asked given your statement, was how can anyone be forced to display a profile picture, on their own profile they didn't want to? | |||
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"I think it's up to the person themselves weather they're comfortable or not with what they use as a profile pic. If they weren't comfortable. ... 1.Why would 'they' put it up...? 2.Why are we talking in the third person...? 3.I shouldn't post after the third Leffe...I know.. Ollie My apologys I must have misread the end of your original post....you know...when you asked for others thoughts??? or were you only referring to those that would agree with you? You didn't offer an opinion... and I didn't disagree with your statement. .. Why would anyone post anything they weren't comfortable with? Ollie Well I thought I did offer an opinion...but we shall agree to differ.... An agreement requires both sides to come to an understanding. .. We didn't... You've played the unicorn "I can say anything I want because I'm a single female card"...even if it makes no sense...no matter how hard you stamp your feet... The world of swing...as far as I've observed is a liberated place.. Where all calls, posts and judgements are made of people's own free will, even more so than in the real world...All I asked given your statement, was how can anyone be forced to display a profile picture, on their own profile they didn't want to?" Oh give your long winded comments all you like...accuse me of playing the single woman card or stamping my feet all you like. All I was saying was that surely it's the right of the person to post what profile pic they want? (As was mentioned in a few other comments before mine)"Forced" was never mentioned in my comments. And I'll leave it there as I have no interest in engaging with a keyboard warrior who's bored! You take care now | |||
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"I think it's up to the person themselves weather they're comfortable or not with what they use as a profile pic. If they weren't comfortable. ... 1.Why would 'they' put it up...? 2.Why are we talking in the third person...? 3.I shouldn't post after the third Leffe...I know.. Ollie My apologys I must have misread the end of your original post....you know...when you asked for others thoughts??? or were you only referring to those that would agree with you? You didn't offer an opinion... and I didn't disagree with your statement. .. Why would anyone post anything they weren't comfortable with? Ollie Well I thought I did offer an opinion...but we shall agree to differ.... An agreement requires both sides to come to an understanding. .. We didn't... You've played the unicorn "I can say anything I want because I'm a single female card"...even if it makes no sense...no matter how hard you stamp your feet... The world of swing...as far as I've observed is a liberated place.. Where all calls, posts and judgements are made of people's own free will, even more so than in the real world...All I asked given your statement, was how can anyone be forced to display a profile picture, on their own profile they didn't want to? Oh give your long winded comments all you like...accuse me of playing the single woman card or stamping my feet all you like. All I was saying was that surely it's the right of the person to post what profile pic they want? (As was mentioned in a few other comments before mine)"Forced" was never mentioned in my comments. And I'll leave it there as I have no interest in engaging with a keyboard warrior who's bored! You take care now " I believe you're missing the point of the thread, as several of the contributors stated, it might not matter at this current moment in your life who recognises you but down the line you may think differently. Only one other person expressed the same reckless view as you... Thanks for the concern regarding my future care...but I don't think you really mean it...would you like me to put all these toys back in your pram before I go? Or would you like the last word? Ollie | |||
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"Actualy four people claimed it would not matter that they have or may have been recognised... Grace, tis often best to walk away and let the last comment float, but methinks you are intelligent to know this " | |||
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"Actualy four people claimed it would not matter that they have or may have been recognised... Grace, tis often best to walk away and let the last comment float, but methinks you are intelligent to know this " Ahh...there you are...sinoreta, how I missed you... With a completely hidden profile....and absolutely no pictures on display...lol Obviously you are better at counting and throwing stones from behind someone else's wall then holding or defending your original opinion...or is it a case of all unicorns together? | |||
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"Actualy four people claimed it would not matter that they have or may have been recognised... Grace, tis often best to walk away and let the last comment float, but methinks you are intelligent to know this Ahh...there you are...sinoreta, how I missed you... With a completely hidden profile....and absolutely no pictures on display...lol Obviously you are better at counting and throwing stones from behind someone else's wall then holding or defending your original opinion...or is it a case of all unicorns together?" Morning peteen... Actualy, my profile is temporaily hidden due to study commitments plus family, though still in regular contact with those who saw it before I chose to hide it.. Tends to cut out a lot of unessicary mail that I do not have time to ans... My private pic was removed on the same day you opened this thread after a poster disclosed that it is possible to with know how to access private pics. A comment which you chose to ignore,choosing to latch onto Graces perfectly intelligent comment... Knock yourself out there peteen with the unicorn comments, tre amusing | |||
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"Same shit. Different week." Jayus tis no way to refer the couples interesing thread.... | |||
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"Actualy four people claimed it would not matter that they have or may have been recognised... Grace, tis often best to walk away and let the last comment float, but methinks you are intelligent to know this Ahh...there you are...sinoreta, how I missed you... With a completely hidden profile....and absolutely no pictures on display...lol Obviously you are better at counting and throwing stones from behind someone else's wall then holding or defending your original opinion...or is it a case of all unicorns together? Morning peteen... Actualy, my profile is temporaily hidden due to study commitments plus family, though still in regular contact with those who saw it before I chose to hide it.. Tends to cut out a lot of unessicary mail that I do not have time to ans... My private pic was removed on the same day you opened this thread after a poster disclosed that it is possible to with know how to access private pics. A comment which you chose to ignore,choosing to latch onto Graces perfectly intelligent comment... Knock yourself out there peteen with the unicorn comments, tre amusing " Ahh my olive skinned beauty... We could have such angry sex were we ever to meet... You..are / were mistaken on many fronts... Grace did respond...albeit with the rather limited use of the smug emojes... But glad to see you concurred with the initial concerns raised by the thread ( possibly taking it a step too far by going completly underground)...and that contrary to your subsequent support of Graces' comments you hold a completely polar view to her dismissive initial comment.... Good luck with the studies... your English is coming on leaps and bounds ... Ollie.....xx | |||
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"Same shit. Different week. Jayus tis no way to refer the couples interesing thread...." Now, now...you know that Candy were refering to your trolling...xx | |||
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"Actualy four people claimed it would not matter that they have or may have been recognised... Grace, tis often best to walk away and let the last comment float, but methinks you are intelligent to know this " | |||
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"Actualy four people claimed it would not matter that they have or may have been recognised... Grace, tis often best to walk away and let the last comment float, but methinks you are intelligent to know this " Ah, do I see another unicorn galloping up?... So you believe it's okay to be regonised...?... You think these are the words of an "intelligent contributor"...? | |||
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"We all understand the value and importance of a strong profile picture and love interesting picture....but how safe are they? I am always amazed how so many have face pictures on public ...or explicit pictures with highly recognisable markings like tattoos and percising for example........what are others thoughts?" I'm not sure what you mean by 'safe' in this context. | |||
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"Actualy four people claimed it would not matter that they have or may have been recognised... Grace, tis often best to walk away and let the last comment float, but methinks you are intelligent to know this Ah, do I see another unicorn galloping up?... So you believe it's okay to be regonised...?... You think these are the words of an "intelligent contributor"...? " What exactly is your problem? I would post my opinion but I have absolutely no interest in debating any issue with someone with an aggressive attitude like yours'. As for calling me a unicorn. Wtf is that about? | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 25/02/16 14:44:37]" Ahh. Something that should have been done on previous posts too lol | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 25/02/16 14:44:37]" I think I'll take that with a pinch of salt too | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 25/02/16 14:44:37] I think I'll take that with a pinch of salt too" Sorry if I came across aggresive...I didn't mean to.. but I'm surprised at the open support given to the opinion that it's okay to post a pictures that could easily identify the poster... Especially by people that have hidden profiles or in Domguy's case no pictures... | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 25/02/16 14:44:37] Ahh. Something that should have been done on previous posts too lol" lol...clearly people take this all too seriously ..but the post removal was a contribution from I Apples ....up until now absent due to work ...ya ' know real world stuff and unlike oliver am unable to dip in and out of here like himself "self made man" lol.... the orginal thread topic was over revenge porn and private pictures being shared without ones knowledge or consent ....but I fear I wasn't clear enough and as I see this thread got legs ...lol Apples | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 25/02/16 14:44:37] I think I'll take that with a pinch of salt too Sorry if I came across aggresive...I didn't mean to.. but I'm surprised at the open support given to the opinion that it's okay to post a pictures that could easily identify the poster... Especially by people that have hidden profiles or in Domguy's case no pictures..." I think the point grace was making was it's up to the individual if they are happy with putting up pics that make them identifiable. I don't see the problem with condoning people's decision to do that. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 25/02/16 14:44:37] I think I'll take that with a pinch of salt too Sorry if I came across aggresive...I didn't mean to.. but I'm surprised at the open support given to the opinion that it's okay to post a pictures that could easily identify the poster... Especially by people that have hidden profiles or in Domguy's case no pictures..." I just don't understand why it bothers you? It's not your profile that's showing face pics or tats or whatever so why have you taken it upon yourself to say if it's okay or not?? Now don't get me wrong you're entitled to your opinion and I respect that (which is a lot more that you afforded some posters) but I'll still stand by my first post whether you think or not it was invalid. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 25/02/16 14:44:37] I think I'll take that with a pinch of salt too Sorry if I came across aggresive...I didn't mean to.. but I'm surprised at the open support given to the opinion that it's okay to post a pictures that could easily identify the poster... Especially by people that have hidden profiles or in Domguy's case no pictures..." Of course its OK to post identifying pictures of yourself if you choose to. Why wouldn't it be? Its OK to have non identifying pics, full face pics, or no pics at all. It's entirely a decision made by whoever owns the profile for their own reasons. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 25/02/16 14:44:37] I think I'll take that with a pinch of salt too Sorry if I came across aggresive...I didn't mean to.. but I'm surprised at the open support given to the opinion that it's okay to post a pictures that could easily identify the poster... Especially by people that have hidden profiles or in Domguy's case no pictures... I just don't understand why it bothers you? It's not your profile that's showing face pics or tats or whatever so why have you taken it upon yourself to say if it's okay or not?? Now don't get me wrong you're entitled to your opinion and I respect that (which is a lot more that you afforded some posters) but I'll still stand by my first post whether you think or not it was invalid." | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 25/02/16 14:44:37] I think I'll take that with a pinch of salt too Sorry if I came across aggresive...I didn't mean to.. but I'm surprised at the open support given to the opinion that it's okay to post a pictures that could easily identify the poster... Especially by people that have hidden profiles or in Domguy's case no pictures... Of course its OK to post identifying pictures of yourself if you choose to. Why wouldn't it be? Its OK to have non identifying pics, full face pics, or no pics at all. It's entirely a decision made by whoever owns the profile for their own reasons." So why don't you? | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 25/02/16 14:44:37] Ahh. Something that should have been done on previous posts too lollol...clearly people take this all too seriously ..but the post removal was a contribution from I Apples ....up until now absent due to work ...ya ' know real world stuff and unlike oliver am unable to dip in and out of here like himself "self made man" lol.... the orginal thread topic was over revenge porn and private pictures being shared without ones knowledge or consent ....but I fear I wasn't clear enough and as I see this thread got legs ...lol Apples" I read your post before you deleted it. and tbh dont see why you removed it. I still stand by my original comment by the way | |||
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"We all understand the value and importance of a strong profile picture and love interesting picture....but how safe are they? I am always amazed how so many have face pictures on public ...or explicit pictures with highly recognisable markings like tattoos and percising for example........what are others thoughts?" Is it just the thoughts of people you agree with you are happy to hear. Grace is entitled to her opinion and just because it differs from yours doesn't make it less worthy of respect. It would be a dull place if we all agreed on everything but it would be a more pleasant experience if respect from all sides was shown | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 25/02/16 14:44:37] I think I'll take that with a pinch of salt too Sorry if I came across aggresive...I didn't mean to.. but I'm surprised at the open support given to the opinion that it's okay to post a pictures that could easily identify the poster... Especially by people that have hidden profiles or in Domguy's case no pictures... Of course its OK to post identifying pictures of yourself if you choose to. Why wouldn't it be? Its OK to have non identifying pics, full face pics, or no pics at all. It's entirely a decision made by whoever owns the profile for their own reasons. So why don't you?" I think the point is it's ok for others to do it even if you don't do it yourself. Take anal for instance in my case. I'm sure plenty of others enjoy it but it's not for me | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 25/02/16 14:44:37] I think I'll take that with a pinch of salt too Sorry if I came across aggresive...I didn't mean to.. but I'm surprised at the open support given to the opinion that it's okay to post a pictures that could easily identify the poster... Especially by people that have hidden profiles or in Domguy's case no pictures... I just don't understand why it bothers you? It's not your profile that's showing face pics or tats or whatever so why have you taken it upon yourself to say if it's okay or not?? Now don't get me wrong you're entitled to your opinion and I respect that (which is a lot more that you afforded some posters) but I'll still stand by my first post whether you think or not it was invalid." Perhaps a better opening post would have been "is it wise to show face pics or identifiable type pics" in public or as an avatar ? | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 25/02/16 14:44:37] Ahh. Something that should have been done on previous posts too lollol...clearly people take this all too seriously ..but the post removal was a contribution from I Apples ....up until now absent due to work ...ya ' know real world stuff and unlike oliver am unable to dip in and out of here like himself "self made man" lol.... the orginal thread topic was over revenge porn and private pictures being shared without ones knowledge or consent ....but I fear I wasn't clear enough and as I see this thread got legs ...lol Apples I read your post before you deleted it. and tbh dont see why you removed it. I still stand by my original comment by the way " I removed it because I didn't wish to come across as being unsupportive of my ollie pop .....he is always the first to jump two feet forward to defend me regardless of how mislead or silly I am being ...one of his many wonderful traits which I adore him for ....vomit I know lol Apples | |||
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"We all understand the value and importance of a strong profile picture and love interesting picture....but how safe are they? I am always amazed how so many have face pictures on public ...or explicit pictures with highly recognisable markings like tattoos and percising for example........what are others thoughts? Is it just the thoughts of people you agree with you are happy to hear. Grace is entitled to her opinion and just because it differs from yours doesn't make it less worthy of respect. It would be a dull place if we all agreed on everything but it would be a more pleasant experience if respect from all sides was shown " It's a thread... Therfore open to opinions... Perhaps I didn't ask it in the softest manner...but if you volunteer an opinion, surely you should have to support it? | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 25/02/16 14:44:37] I think I'll take that with a pinch of salt too Sorry if I came across aggresive...I didn't mean to.. but I'm surprised at the open support given to the opinion that it's okay to post a pictures that could easily identify the poster... Especially by people that have hidden profiles or in Domguy's case no pictures... Of course its OK to post identifying pictures of yourself if you choose to. Why wouldn't it be? Its OK to have non identifying pics, full face pics, or no pics at all. It's entirely a decision made by whoever owns the profile for their own reasons. So why don't you?" When I say.. "It's entirely a decision made by whoever owns the profile for their own reasons".. That makes it fairly clear. Noone (myself included) have to justify the pics they use or don't use. | |||
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"We all understand the value and importance of a strong profile picture and love interesting picture....but how safe are they? I am always amazed how so many have face pictures on public ...or explicit pictures with highly recognisable markings like tattoos and percising for example........what are others thoughts? Is it just the thoughts of people you agree with you are happy to hear. Grace is entitled to her opinion and just because it differs from yours doesn't make it less worthy of respect. It would be a dull place if we all agreed on everything but it would be a more pleasant experience if respect from all sides was shown It's a thread... Therfore open to opinions... Perhaps I didn't ask it in the softest manner...but if you volunteer an opinion, surely you should have to support it?" NOOO you don't ....I post many an opinion just to bait on a thread ....this one included ....now stop messing about on here....finish up in the workshop and get your ass home boy ...missing ya....x Apples | |||
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"We all understand the value and importance of a strong profile picture and love interesting picture....but how safe are they? I am always amazed how so many have face pictures on public ...or explicit pictures with highly recognisable markings like tattoos and percising for example........what are others thoughts? Is it just the thoughts of people you agree with you are happy to hear. Grace is entitled to her opinion and just because it differs from yours doesn't make it less worthy of respect. It would be a dull place if we all agreed on everything but it would be a more pleasant experience if respect from all sides was shown It's a thread... Therfore open to opinions... Perhaps I didn't ask it in the softest manner...but if you volunteer an opinion, surely you should have to support it?" Nope. Noone has to support anything. They can choose to, or choose not to. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 25/02/16 14:44:37] I think I'll take that with a pinch of salt too Sorry if I came across aggresive...I didn't mean to.. but I'm surprised at the open support given to the opinion that it's okay to post a pictures that could easily identify the poster... Especially by people that have hidden profiles or in Domguy's case no pictures... Of course its OK to post identifying pictures of yourself if you choose to. Why wouldn't it be? Its OK to have non identifying pics, full face pics, or no pics at all. It's entirely a decision made by whoever owns the profile for their own reasons. So why don't you? When I say.. "It's entirely a decision made by whoever owns the profile for their own reasons".. That makes it fairly clear. Noone (myself included) have to justify the pics they use or don't use. " Would you worry about your pictures being copied ...screen saved and shared with others ....potentially with someone ...family member work college that may recognise you ? Apples | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 25/02/16 14:44:37] I think I'll take that with a pinch of salt too Sorry if I came across aggresive...I didn't mean to.. but I'm surprised at the open support given to the opinion that it's okay to post a pictures that could easily identify the poster... Especially by people that have hidden profiles or in Domguy's case no pictures... Of course its OK to post identifying pictures of yourself if you choose to. Why wouldn't it be? Its OK to have non identifying pics, full face pics, or no pics at all. It's entirely a decision made by whoever owns the profile for their own reasons. So why don't you? When I say.. "It's entirely a decision made by whoever owns the profile for their own reasons".. That makes it fairly clear. Noone (myself included) have to justify the pics they use or don't use. Would you worry about your pictures being copied ...screen saved and shared with others ....potentially with someone ...family member work college that may recognise you ? Apples" Personally I wouldn't put a facepic up here publicly, but I know people who do, and they are NOT worried about those things clearly. As several people have already pointed out.. Its entirely dependent upon the situation of the person who owns the account. Some people are completely open about this lifestyle and have nothing to hide from, some people have jobs on the line if the are discovered. Its all up to the individual and their circumstances. There is no one-size-fits-all correct answer to how "safe" pics are. | |||
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"We all understand the value and importance of a strong profile picture and love interesting picture....but how safe are they? I am always amazed how so many have face pictures on public ...or explicit pictures with highly recognisable markings like tattoos and percising for example........what are others thoughts? Is it just the thoughts of people you agree with you are happy to hear. Grace is entitled to her opinion and just because it differs from yours doesn't make it less worthy of respect. It would be a dull place if we all agreed on everything but it would be a more pleasant experience if respect from all sides was shown It's a thread... Therfore open to opinions... Perhaps I didn't ask it in the softest manner...but if you volunteer an opinion, surely you should have to support it? NOOO you don't ....I post many an opinion just to bait on a thread ....this one included ....now stop messing about on here....finish up in the workshop and get your ass home boy ...missing ya....x Apples" Now I'm confused as to which of ye started the thread | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 25/02/16 14:44:37] I think I'll take that with a pinch of salt too Sorry if I came across aggresive...I didn't mean to.. but I'm surprised at the open support given to the opinion that it's okay to post a pictures that could easily identify the poster... Especially by people that have hidden profiles or in Domguy's case no pictures... Of course its OK to post identifying pictures of yourself if you choose to. Why wouldn't it be? Its OK to have non identifying pics, full face pics, or no pics at all. It's entirely a decision made by whoever owns the profile for their own reasons. So why don't you? When I say.. "It's entirely a decision made by whoever owns the profile for their own reasons".. That makes it fairly clear. Noone (myself included) have to justify the pics they use or don't use. Would you worry about your pictures being copied ...screen saved and shared with others ....potentially with someone ...family member work college that may recognise you ? Apples Personally I wouldn't put a facepic up here publicly, but I know people who do, and they are NOT worried about those things clearly. As several people have already pointed out.. Its entirely dependent upon the situation of the person who owns the account. Some people are completely open about this lifestyle and have nothing to hide from, some people have jobs on the line if the are discovered. Its all up to the individual and their circumstances. There is no one-size-fits-all correct answer to how "safe" pics are." Thank you ...that's what I was talking about Apples | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 25/02/16 14:44:37] I think I'll take that with a pinch of salt too Sorry if I came across aggresive...I didn't mean to.. but I'm surprised at the open support given to the opinion that it's okay to post a pictures that could easily identify the poster... Especially by people that have hidden profiles or in Domguy's case no pictures... Of course its OK to post identifying pictures of yourself if you choose to. Why wouldn't it be? Its OK to have non identifying pics, full face pics, or no pics at all. It's entirely a decision made by whoever owns the profile for their own reasons. So why don't you? When I say.. "It's entirely a decision made by whoever owns the profile for their own reasons".. That makes it fairly clear. Noone (myself included) have to justify the pics they use or don't use. Would you worry about your pictures being copied ...screen saved and shared with others ....potentially with someone ...family member work college that may recognise you ? Apples Personally I wouldn't put a facepic up here publicly, but I know people who do, and they are NOT worried about those things clearly. As several people have already pointed out.. Its entirely dependent upon the situation of the person who owns the account. Some people are completely open about this lifestyle and have nothing to hide from, some people have jobs on the line if the are discovered. Its all up to the individual and their circumstances. There is no one-size-fits-all correct answer to how "safe" pics are. Thank you ...that's what I was talking about Apples " What part of the thread are you talking about that? Perhaps you can point it out. I can't see it anywhere? | |||
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"We all understand the value and importance of a strong profile picture and love interesting picture....but how safe are they? I am always amazed how so many have face pictures on public ...or explicit pictures with highly recognisable markings like tattoos and percising for example........what are others thoughts? Is it just the thoughts of people you agree with you are happy to hear. Grace is entitled to her opinion and just because it differs from yours doesn't make it less worthy of respect. It would be a dull place if we all agreed on everything but it would be a more pleasant experience if respect from all sides was shown It's a thread... Therfore open to opinions... Perhaps I didn't ask it in the softest manner...but if you volunteer an opinion, surely you should have to support it?" I think people have qualified their opinion. More than once. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 25/02/16 14:44:37] I think I'll take that with a pinch of salt too Sorry if I came across aggresive...I didn't mean to.. but I'm surprised at the open support given to the opinion that it's okay to post a pictures that could easily identify the poster... Especially by people that have hidden profiles or in Domguy's case no pictures... Of course its OK to post identifying pictures of yourself if you choose to. Why wouldn't it be? Its OK to have non identifying pics, full face pics, or no pics at all. It's entirely a decision made by whoever owns the profile for their own reasons. So why don't you? When I say.. "It's entirely a decision made by whoever owns the profile for their own reasons".. That makes it fairly clear. Noone (myself included) have to justify the pics they use or don't use. Would you worry about your pictures being copied ...screen saved and shared with others ....potentially with someone ...family member work college that may recognise you ? Apples Personally I wouldn't put a facepic up here publicly, but I know people who do, and they are NOT worried about those things clearly. As several people have already pointed out.. Its entirely dependent upon the situation of the person who owns the account. Some people are completely open about this lifestyle and have nothing to hide from, some people have jobs on the line if the are discovered. Its all up to the individual and their circumstances. There is no one-size-fits-all correct answer to how "safe" pics are. Thank you ...that's what I was talking about Apples What part of the thread are you talking about that? Perhaps you can point it out. I can't see it anywhere? " Here it is ......entirely dependent upon the situation ........ Some people are completely open about this lifestyle.....nothing to hide........some people have jobs on the line ....... Its all up to the individual and their circumstances...... no one-size-fits-all blah blah blah ....see it now? lol Apples.... | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 25/02/16 14:44:37] I think I'll take that with a pinch of salt too Sorry if I came across aggresive...I didn't mean to.. but I'm surprised at the open support given to the opinion that it's okay to post a pictures that could easily identify the poster... Especially by people that have hidden profiles or in Domguy's case no pictures... Of course its OK to post identifying pictures of yourself if you choose to. Why wouldn't it be? Its OK to have non identifying pics, full face pics, or no pics at all. It's entirely a decision made by whoever owns the profile for their own reasons. So why don't you? When I say.. "It's entirely a decision made by whoever owns the profile for their own reasons".. That makes it fairly clear. Noone (myself included) have to justify the pics they use or don't use. Would you worry about your pictures being copied ...screen saved and shared with others ....potentially with someone ...family member work college that may recognise you ? Apples Personally I wouldn't put a facepic up here publicly, but I know people who do, and they are NOT worried about those things clearly. As several people have already pointed out.. Its entirely dependent upon the situation of the person who owns the account. Some people are completely open about this lifestyle and have nothing to hide from, some people have jobs on the line if the are discovered. Its all up to the individual and their circumstances. There is no one-size-fits-all correct answer to how "safe" pics are. Thank you ...that's what I was talking about Apples What part of the thread are you talking about that? Perhaps you can point it out. I can't see it anywhere? Here it is ......entirely dependent upon the situation ........ Some people are completely open about this lifestyle.....nothing to hide........some people have jobs on the line ....... Its all up to the individual and their circumstances...... no one-size-fits-all blah blah blah ....see it now? lol Apples.... " I think he meant from your posts, not his own. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 25/02/16 14:44:37] I think I'll take that with a pinch of salt too Sorry if I came across aggresive...I didn't mean to.. but I'm surprised at the open support given to the opinion that it's okay to post a pictures that could easily identify the poster... Especially by people that have hidden profiles or in Domguy's case no pictures... Of course its OK to post identifying pictures of yourself if you choose to. Why wouldn't it be? Its OK to have non identifying pics, full face pics, or no pics at all. It's entirely a decision made by whoever owns the profile for their own reasons. So why don't you? When I say.. "It's entirely a decision made by whoever owns the profile for their own reasons".. That makes it fairly clear. Noone (myself included) have to justify the pics they use or don't use. Would you worry about your pictures being copied ...screen saved and shared with others ....potentially with someone ...family member work college that may recognise you ? Apples Personally I wouldn't put a facepic up here publicly, but I know people who do, and they are NOT worried about those things clearly. As several people have already pointed out.. Its entirely dependent upon the situation of the person who owns the account. Some people are completely open about this lifestyle and have nothing to hide from, some people have jobs on the line if the are discovered. Its all up to the individual and their circumstances. There is no one-size-fits-all correct answer to how "safe" pics are. Thank you ...that's what I was talking about Apples What part of the thread are you talking about that? Perhaps you can point it out. I can't see it anywhere? Here it is ......entirely dependent upon the situation ........ Some people are completely open about this lifestyle.....nothing to hide........some people have jobs on the line ....... Its all up to the individual and their circumstances...... no one-size-fits-all blah blah blah ....see it now? lol Apples.... I think he meant from your posts, not his own. " ".but how safe are they? I am always amazed how so many have face pictures on public ...or explicit pictures with highly recognisable markings like tattoos and percising for example" That bit... | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 25/02/16 14:44:37] I think I'll take that with a pinch of salt too Sorry if I came across aggresive...I didn't mean to.. but I'm surprised at the open support given to the opinion that it's okay to post a pictures that could easily identify the poster... Especially by people that have hidden profiles or in Domguy's case no pictures... Of course its OK to post identifying pictures of yourself if you choose to. Why wouldn't it be? Its OK to have non identifying pics, full face pics, or no pics at all. It's entirely a decision made by whoever owns the profile for their own reasons. So why don't you? When I say.. "It's entirely a decision made by whoever owns the profile for their own reasons".. That makes it fairly clear. Noone (myself included) have to justify the pics they use or don't use. Would you worry about your pictures being copied ...screen saved and shared with others ....potentially with someone ...family member work college that may recognise you ? Apples Personally I wouldn't put a facepic up here publicly, but I know people who do, and they are NOT worried about those things clearly. As several people have already pointed out.. Its entirely dependent upon the situation of the person who owns the account. Some people are completely open about this lifestyle and have nothing to hide from, some people have jobs on the line if the are discovered. Its all up to the individual and their circumstances. There is no one-size-fits-all correct answer to how "safe" pics are. Thank you ...that's what I was talking about Apples What part of the thread are you talking about that? Perhaps you can point it out. I can't see it anywhere? Here it is ......entirely dependent upon the situation ........ Some people are completely open about this lifestyle.....nothing to hide........some people have jobs on the line ....... Its all up to the individual and their circumstances...... no one-size-fits-all blah blah blah ....see it now? lol Apples.... I think he meant from your posts, not his own. ".but how safe are they? I am always amazed how so many have face pictures on public ...or explicit pictures with highly recognisable markings like tattoos and percising for example" That bit... " Once my face isn't in it I'd deny it was me so personally I'm not bothered. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 25/02/16 14:44:37] I think I'll take that with a pinch of salt too Sorry if I came across aggresive...I didn't mean to.. but I'm surprised at the open support given to the opinion that it's okay to post a pictures that could easily identify the poster... Especially by people that have hidden profiles or in Domguy's case no pictures... Of course its OK to post identifying pictures of yourself if you choose to. Why wouldn't it be? Its OK to have non identifying pics, full face pics, or no pics at all. It's entirely a decision made by whoever owns the profile for their own reasons. So why don't you? When I say.. "It's entirely a decision made by whoever owns the profile for their own reasons".. That makes it fairly clear. Noone (myself included) have to justify the pics they use or don't use. Would you worry about your pictures being copied ...screen saved and shared with others ....potentially with someone ...family member work college that may recognise you ? Apples Personally I wouldn't put a facepic up here publicly, but I know people who do, and they are NOT worried about those things clearly. As several people have already pointed out.. Its entirely dependent upon the situation of the person who owns the account. Some people are completely open about this lifestyle and have nothing to hide from, some people have jobs on the line if the are discovered. Its all up to the individual and their circumstances. There is no one-size-fits-all correct answer to how "safe" pics are. Thank you ...that's what I was talking about Apples What part of the thread are you talking about that? Perhaps you can point it out. I can't see it anywhere? Here it is ......entirely dependent upon the situation ........ Some people are completely open about this lifestyle.....nothing to hide........some people have jobs on the line ....... Its all up to the individual and their circumstances...... no one-size-fits-all blah blah blah ....see it now? lol Apples.... I think he meant from your posts, not his own. ".but how safe are they? I am always amazed how so many have face pictures on public ...or explicit pictures with highly recognisable markings like tattoos and percising for example" That bit... Once my face isn't in it I'd deny it was me so personally I'm not bothered. " That was our point... | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 25/02/16 14:44:37] I think I'll take that with a pinch of salt too Sorry if I came across aggresive...I didn't mean to.. but I'm surprised at the open support given to the opinion that it's okay to post a pictures that could easily identify the poster... Especially by people that have hidden profiles or in Domguy's case no pictures... Of course its OK to post identifying pictures of yourself if you choose to. Why wouldn't it be? Its OK to have non identifying pics, full face pics, or no pics at all. It's entirely a decision made by whoever owns the profile for their own reasons. So why don't you? When I say.. "It's entirely a decision made by whoever owns the profile for their own reasons".. That makes it fairly clear. Noone (myself included) have to justify the pics they use or don't use. Would you worry about your pictures being copied ...screen saved and shared with others ....potentially with someone ...family member work college that may recognise you ? Apples Personally I wouldn't put a facepic up here publicly, but I know people who do, and they are NOT worried about those things clearly. As several people have already pointed out.. Its entirely dependent upon the situation of the person who owns the account. Some people are completely open about this lifestyle and have nothing to hide from, some people have jobs on the line if the are discovered. Its all up to the individual and their circumstances. There is no one-size-fits-all correct answer to how "safe" pics are. Thank you ...that's what I was talking about Apples What part of the thread are you talking about that? Perhaps you can point it out. I can't see it anywhere? Here it is ......entirely dependent upon the situation ........ Some people are completely open about this lifestyle.....nothing to hide........some people have jobs on the line ....... Its all up to the individual and their circumstances...... no one-size-fits-all blah blah blah ....see it now? lol Apples.... I think he meant from your posts, not his own. ".but how safe are they? I am always amazed how so many have face pictures on public ...or explicit pictures with highly recognisable markings like tattoos and percising for example" That bit... Once my face isn't in it I'd deny it was me so personally I'm not bothered. That was our point... " Right ok, I missed that bit then obviously | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 25/02/16 14:44:37] I think I'll take that with a pinch of salt too Sorry if I came across aggresive...I didn't mean to.. but I'm surprised at the open support given to the opinion that it's okay to post a pictures that could easily identify the poster... Especially by people that have hidden profiles or in Domguy's case no pictures... Of course its OK to post identifying pictures of yourself if you choose to. Why wouldn't it be? Its OK to have non identifying pics, full face pics, or no pics at all. It's entirely a decision made by whoever owns the profile for their own reasons. So why don't you? When I say.. "It's entirely a decision made by whoever owns the profile for their own reasons".. That makes it fairly clear. Noone (myself included) have to justify the pics they use or don't use. Would you worry about your pictures being copied ...screen saved and shared with others ....potentially with someone ...family member work college that may recognise you ? Apples Personally I wouldn't put a facepic up here publicly, but I know people who do, and they are NOT worried about those things clearly. As several people have already pointed out.. Its entirely dependent upon the situation of the person who owns the account. Some people are completely open about this lifestyle and have nothing to hide from, some people have jobs on the line if the are discovered. Its all up to the individual and their circumstances. There is no one-size-fits-all correct answer to how "safe" pics are. Thank you ...that's what I was talking about Apples What part of the thread are you talking about that? Perhaps you can point it out. I can't see it anywhere? Here it is ......entirely dependent upon the situation ........ Some people are completely open about this lifestyle.....nothing to hide........some people have jobs on the line ....... Its all up to the individual and their circumstances...... no one-size-fits-all blah blah blah ....see it now? lol Apples.... I think he meant from your posts, not his own. ".but how safe are they? I am always amazed how so many have face pictures on public ...or explicit pictures with highly recognisable markings like tattoos and percising for example" That bit... Once my face isn't in it I'd deny it was me so personally I'm not bothered. That was our point... Right ok, I missed that bit then obviously " I think most people did ... That's why Ollie got so 'over' excited. ..lol | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 25/02/16 14:44:37] I think I'll take that with a pinch of salt too Sorry if I came across aggresive...I didn't mean to.. but I'm surprised at the open support given to the opinion that it's okay to post a pictures that could easily identify the poster... Especially by people that have hidden profiles or in Domguy's case no pictures... Of course its OK to post identifying pictures of yourself if you choose to. Why wouldn't it be? Its OK to have non identifying pics, full face pics, or no pics at all. It's entirely a decision made by whoever owns the profile for their own reasons. So why don't you? When I say.. "It's entirely a decision made by whoever owns the profile for their own reasons".. That makes it fairly clear. Noone (myself included) have to justify the pics they use or don't use. Would you worry about your pictures being copied ...screen saved and shared with others ....potentially with someone ...family member work college that may recognise you ? Apples Personally I wouldn't put a facepic up here publicly, but I know people who do, and they are NOT worried about those things clearly. As several people have already pointed out.. Its entirely dependent upon the situation of the person who owns the account. Some people are completely open about this lifestyle and have nothing to hide from, some people have jobs on the line if the are discovered. Its all up to the individual and their circumstances. There is no one-size-fits-all correct answer to how "safe" pics are. Thank you ...that's what I was talking about Apples What part of the thread are you talking about that? Perhaps you can point it out. I can't see it anywhere? Here it is ......entirely dependent upon the situation ........ Some people are completely open about this lifestyle.....nothing to hide........some people have jobs on the line ....... Its all up to the individual and their circumstances...... no one-size-fits-all blah blah blah ....see it now? lol Apples.... I think he meant from your posts, not his own. ".but how safe are they? I am always amazed how so many have face pictures on public ...or explicit pictures with highly recognisable markings like tattoos and percising for example" That bit... Once my face isn't in it I'd deny it was me so personally I'm not bothered. That was our point... Right ok, I missed that bit then obviously I think most people did ... That's why Ollie got so 'over' excited. ..lol" If most people missed it then maybe it wasn't clear what exactly you wanted | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 25/02/16 14:44:37] I think I'll take that with a pinch of salt too Sorry if I came across aggresive...I didn't mean to.. but I'm surprised at the open support given to the opinion that it's okay to post a pictures that could easily identify the poster... Especially by people that have hidden profiles or in Domguy's case no pictures... Of course its OK to post identifying pictures of yourself if you choose to. Why wouldn't it be? Its OK to have non identifying pics, full face pics, or no pics at all. It's entirely a decision made by whoever owns the profile for their own reasons. So why don't you? When I say.. "It's entirely a decision made by whoever owns the profile for their own reasons".. That makes it fairly clear. Noone (myself included) have to justify the pics they use or don't use. Would you worry about your pictures being copied ...screen saved and shared with others ....potentially with someone ...family member work college that may recognise you ? Apples Personally I wouldn't put a facepic up here publicly, but I know people who do, and they are NOT worried about those things clearly. As several people have already pointed out.. Its entirely dependent upon the situation of the person who owns the account. Some people are completely open about this lifestyle and have nothing to hide from, some people have jobs on the line if the are discovered. Its all up to the individual and their circumstances. There is no one-size-fits-all correct answer to how "safe" pics are. Thank you ...that's what I was talking about Apples What part of the thread are you talking about that? Perhaps you can point it out. I can't see it anywhere? Here it is ......entirely dependent upon the situation ........ Some people are completely open about this lifestyle.....nothing to hide........some people have jobs on the line ....... Its all up to the individual and their circumstances...... no one-size-fits-all blah blah blah ....see it now? lol Apples.... I think he meant from your posts, not his own. ".but how safe are they? I am always amazed how so many have face pictures on public ...or explicit pictures with highly recognisable markings like tattoos and percising for example" That bit... Once my face isn't in it I'd deny it was me so personally I'm not bothered. That was our point... Right ok, I missed that bit then obviously I think most people did ... That's why Ollie got so 'over' excited. ..lol" Out of curiosity Whats your opinion on your own pics? Would you be recognised? ? Do you mind if you are ? | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 25/02/16 14:44:37] I think I'll take that with a pinch of salt too Sorry if I came across aggresive...I didn't mean to.. but I'm surprised at the open support given to the opinion that it's okay to post a pictures that could easily identify the poster... Especially by people that have hidden profiles or in Domguy's case no pictures... Of course its OK to post identifying pictures of yourself if you choose to. Why wouldn't it be? Its OK to have non identifying pics, full face pics, or no pics at all. It's entirely a decision made by whoever owns the profile for their own reasons. So why don't you? When I say.. "It's entirely a decision made by whoever owns the profile for their own reasons".. That makes it fairly clear. Noone (myself included) have to justify the pics they use or don't use. Would you worry about your pictures being copied ...screen saved and shared with others ....potentially with someone ...family member work college that may recognise you ? Apples Personally I wouldn't put a facepic up here publicly, but I know people who do, and they are NOT worried about those things clearly. As several people have already pointed out.. Its entirely dependent upon the situation of the person who owns the account. Some people are completely open about this lifestyle and have nothing to hide from, some people have jobs on the line if the are discovered. Its all up to the individual and their circumstances. There is no one-size-fits-all correct answer to how "safe" pics are. Thank you ...that's what I was talking about Apples What part of the thread are you talking about that? Perhaps you can point it out. I can't see it anywhere? Here it is ......entirely dependent upon the situation ........ Some people are completely open about this lifestyle.....nothing to hide........some people have jobs on the line ....... Its all up to the individual and their circumstances...... no one-size-fits-all blah blah blah ....see it now? lol Apples.... I think he meant from your posts, not his own. ".but how safe are they? I am always amazed how so many have face pictures on public ...or explicit pictures with highly recognisable markings like tattoos and percising for example" That bit... Once my face isn't in it I'd deny it was me so personally I'm not bothered. That was our point... Right ok, I missed that bit then obviously I think most people did ... That's why Ollie got so 'over' excited. ..lol Out of curiosity Whats your opinion on your own pics? Would you be recognised? ? Do you mind if you are ?" Ya actually, there is quite a bit of her face in a couple of them. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 25/02/16 14:44:37] I think I'll take that with a pinch of salt too Sorry if I came across aggresive...I didn't mean to.. but I'm surprised at the open support given to the opinion that it's okay to post a pictures that could easily identify the poster... Especially by people that have hidden profiles or in Domguy's case no pictures... Of course its OK to post identifying pictures of yourself if you choose to. Why wouldn't it be? Its OK to have non identifying pics, full face pics, or no pics at all. It's entirely a decision made by whoever owns the profile for their own reasons. So why don't you? When I say.. "It's entirely a decision made by whoever owns the profile for their own reasons".. That makes it fairly clear. Noone (myself included) have to justify the pics they use or don't use. Would you worry about your pictures being copied ...screen saved and shared with others ....potentially with someone ...family member work college that may recognise you ? Apples Personally I wouldn't put a facepic up here publicly, but I know people who do, and they are NOT worried about those things clearly. As several people have already pointed out.. Its entirely dependent upon the situation of the person who owns the account. Some people are completely open about this lifestyle and have nothing to hide from, some people have jobs on the line if the are discovered. Its all up to the individual and their circumstances. There is no one-size-fits-all correct answer to how "safe" pics are. Thank you ...that's what I was talking about Apples What part of the thread are you talking about that? Perhaps you can point it out. I can't see it anywhere? Here it is ......entirely dependent upon the situation ........ Some people are completely open about this lifestyle.....nothing to hide........some people have jobs on the line ....... Its all up to the individual and their circumstances...... no one-size-fits-all blah blah blah ....see it now? lol Apples.... I think he meant from your posts, not his own. ".but how safe are they? I am always amazed how so many have face pictures on public ...or explicit pictures with highly recognisable markings like tattoos and percising for example" That bit... " Ahh I give up. That is saying nothing like the same thing I was. https://xkcd.com/386/ I'm out. | |||
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