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By *usky Couple01 OP   Couple  over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

What's everyone doing for this most important irish historical event ever

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Going to Dublin might arrange a meet

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By *usky Couple01 OP   Couple  over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

I've a choice blackpool "infusions " club for the weekend or celebrating this I want both lmao or am I just greedy

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By *aid backMan  over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out

ill wait till 2021 and celebrate the end of the war of independence. 1916 was just one of many failed (and not very well supported) rebellions that took place in Ireland why didn't we celebrate all of those ?

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By *usky Couple01 OP   Couple  over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

I agree with you , like today I read on fb how the government are considering putting color mcgregor on the bk of Irish euro coins lmfao , what about a real historical man like for instance The Big Fello !

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By *nardriMan  over a year ago

near town

Eh the gvt threw out that ridiculous idea..... Thank fucx!

As for 1916 celebrations. I couldnt give a toss really

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By *usky Couple01 OP   Couple  over a year ago

Aberdeenshire


"Eh the gvt threw out that ridiculous idea..... Thank fucx!

As for 1916 celebrations. I couldnt give a toss really"

You serious??

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Having 16 Easter eggs. In memoriam.

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By *weetcplCouple  over a year ago

Central

We are staying in Dublin for the whole weekend with the family in Durys inn.

To mark the occasion .

Tal

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By *usky Couple01 OP   Couple  over a year ago

Aberdeenshire


"We are staying in Dublin for the whole weekend with the family in Durys inn.

To mark the occasion .

Tal

"

oh very nice hope you have a brilliant weekend of it , we're hoping to make it up to the GPO , be nice to be part of history Saoirse na H-eireann

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By *oghunter33Woman  over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

I'll be working as usual when everyone else is off and partying

Be greedy op and make the most out of it....

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By *ohn MingoMan  over a year ago

Dublin


"ill wait till 2021 and celebrate the end of the war of independence. 1916 was just one of many failed (and not very well supported) rebellions that took place in Ireland why didn't we celebrate all of those ? "

Yep, we sure do love to celebrate failure.

The rubberbandits "satire-u-mentary" pretty much summed it up.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Heading to dublin, wouldnt miss it, wont happen again in our lifetime and why regret not going later lol

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By *usky Couple01 OP   Couple  over a year ago

Aberdeenshire


"Heading to dublin, wouldnt miss it, wont happen again in our lifetime and why regret not going later lol"

sure is a monumentous occasion , biggest thing i reckon ireland has seen in a very long time

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By *onathan2244Man  over a year ago

carlow

Celebrate what?? we should hang our heads in shame,the men that died then would turn in there graves if the could see the way, we have let this country go, we elect a shower of scum to govern the state they died to free from British rule, so we could stand ideally by while our so called political leaders as good as folded up the flag and gave it to Germany, for Fuck sake,it's not a celebration we need it's a shipment of rifles and start again,

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"ill wait till 2021 and celebrate the end of the war of independence. 1916 was just one of many failed (and not very well supported) rebellions that took place in Ireland why didn't we celebrate all of those ? "

Boom someone speaks sense

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By *usky Couple01 OP   Couple  over a year ago

Aberdeenshire


"Celebrate what?? we should hang our heads in shame,the men that died then would turn in there graves if the could see the way, we have let this country go, we elect a shower of scum to govern the state they died to free from British rule, so we could stand ideally by while our so called political leaders as good as folded up the flag and gave it to Germany, for Fuck sake,it's not a celebration we need it's a shipment of rifles and start again, "

It's funny you should say this , I only said something similar last week , if Michael Collins for instance seen the state of the Irish republic he would have been so shamed !!

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By *ohn MingoMan  over a year ago

Dublin


"Celebrate what?? we should hang our heads in shame,the men that died then would turn in there graves if the could see the way, we have let this country go, we elect a shower of scum to govern the state they died to free from British rule, so we could stand ideally by while our so called political leaders as good as folded up the flag and gave it to Germany, for Fuck sake,it's not a celebration we need it's a shipment of rifles and start again,

It's funny you should say this , I only said something similar last week , if Michael Collins for instance seen the state of the Irish republic he would have been so shamed !!"

There are some who'd say those shipments are in progress.

I'm not sure if I believe it though.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"ill wait till 2021 and celebrate the end of the war of independence. 1916 was just one of many failed (and not very well supported) rebellions that took place in Ireland why didn't we celebrate all of those ? "

But you forget laid that the failure and subsequent executions of the "rebels" was one of the reasons of the turn in support for the IRB and the Irish Republican army to wage the war of independence.

Tomcat

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Celebrate what?? we should hang our heads in shame,the men that died then would turn in there graves if the could see the way, we have let this country go, we elect a shower of scum to govern the state they died to free from British rule, so we could stand ideally by while our so called political leaders as good as folded up the flag and gave it to Germany, for Fuck sake,it's not a celebration we need it's a shipment of rifles and start again,

It's funny you should say this , I only said something similar last week , if Michael Collins for instance seen the state of the Irish republic he would have been so shamed !!"

In a democracy, people tend to end up with the government they deserve...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

In a democracy, people tend to end up with the government they deserve..."

Ouch! But fair point.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"ill wait till 2021 and celebrate the end of the war of independence. 1916 was just one of many failed (and not very well supported) rebellions that took place in Ireland why didn't we celebrate all of those ?

Boom someone speaks sense "

A common misconception amongst truly stupid people........

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The Rising on Easter week of 1916, without question is of the utmost importance to Irish independence.

And quite rightly, should be commemorated on its centenary.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Celebrate what?? we should hang our heads in shame,the men that died then would turn in there graves if the could see the way, we have let this country go, we elect a shower of scum to govern the state they died to free from British rule, so we could stand ideally by while our so called political leaders as good as folded up the flag and gave it to Germany, for Fuck sake,it's not a celebration we need it's a shipment of rifles and start again, "

Couldn't agree with you more...

Minus the shipment of weapons anyone who's lost people to war/fighting wouldn't wish this on anyone..

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By *oghunter33Woman  over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

Is the queen still invited for that event?

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By *oghunter33Woman  over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of


"

In a democracy, people tend to end up with the government they deserve...

Ouch! But fair point."

They sad bit is they'll be voted back in again....

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By *usky Couple01 OP   Couple  over a year ago

Aberdeenshire


"Is the queen still invited for that event? "

NOOOOOO thank god !! That would be a right insult to our fallen hero's

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By *usky Couple01 OP   Couple  over a year ago

Aberdeenshire


"

In a democracy, people tend to end up with the government they deserve...

Ouch! But fair point.

They sad bit is they'll be voted back in again....

You know what _oghunter33 I agree with you , the sheep if Ireland will be zombiefied again an hypnotised into voting the dopes bk in , with their false promises like last time

"

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

May I ask a genuine question, out of curiosity?

No doubt, this is an important anniversary for the South but what is the general view in the South, of the 100th anniversary of the Somme, given the thousands of Irish that died in it? Notably the 16th(Irish) Division, which lost almost 1/3 of its 10 and a half thousand men.

I'm glad the Queen isn't taking part too, it would have been totally inappropriate

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By *ukkakewhoreWoman  over a year ago

Dublin


"May I ask a genuine question, out of curiosity?

No doubt, this is an important anniversary for the South but what is the general view in the South, of the 100th anniversary of the Somme, given the thousands of Irish that died in it? Notably the 16th(Irish) Division, which lost almost 1/3 of its 10 and a half thousand men.

I'm glad the Queen isn't taking part too, it would have been totally inappropriate"

I really shouldn't comment on the "Irish" division that went off fighting a British war but I'm sure you can guess what I think of them. Back to the topic, I'm heading to relatives in Derry for a real commemoration that isn't hijacked by Southern political parties who probably couldn't name the men who signed the proclamation without some civil servant having researched it for them.

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By *ukkakewhoreWoman  over a year ago

Dublin


"Is the queen still invited for that event? "

No she isn't but some representatives of her family are attending as guests of Fine Gael.

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By *aid backMan  over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out


"ill wait till 2021 and celebrate the end of the war of independence. 1916 was just one of many failed (and not very well supported) rebellions that took place in Ireland why didn't we celebrate all of those ?

Boom someone speaks sense

A common misconception amongst truly stupid people........"

so you think 1916 wasn't another failed rebellion ? or do you think it was a well supported rebellion ? as for the truely stupid people comment im sure that a lot of historians will disagree with you view

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"May I ask a genuine question, out of curiosity?

No doubt, this is an important anniversary for the South but what is the general view in the South, of the 100th anniversary of the Somme, given the thousands of Irish that died in it? Notably the 16th(Irish) Division, which lost almost 1/3 of its 10 and a half thousand men.

I'm glad the Queen isn't taking part too, it would have been totally inappropriate

I really shouldn't comment on the "Irish" division that went off fighting a British war but I'm sure you can guess what I think of them. Back to the topic, I'm heading to relatives in Derry for a real commemoration that isn't hijacked by Southern political parties who probably couldn't name the men who signed the proclamation without some civil servant having researched it for them."

That's what I thought would be popular opinion but have had a few meaningful discussions, by PM, to the contrary.

So you view it as a British War, over a World War...do you not think Ireland benefited though, from the victories in both World Wars?

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By *usky Couple01 OP   Couple  over a year ago

Aberdeenshire


"Is the queen still invited for that event?

No she isn't but some representatives of her family are attending as guests of Fine Gael. "

I don't know if I'm right or wrong but wasn't Charles an camilla asked instead of her?

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By *onathan2244Man  over a year ago

carlow

From what I read they taught they were fighting for freedom of Ireland, (basically they went off to fight ww1 on the false promise of home rule if they supported the crown)

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By *ord Willy McFuck-BucketMan  over a year ago

newcastle


"ill wait till 2021 and celebrate the end of the war of independence. 1916 was just one of many failed (and not very well supported) rebellions that took place in Ireland why didn't we celebrate all of those ? "

1921? so the partition of Ireland is something to celebrate?

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By *ukkakewhoreWoman  over a year ago

Dublin


"May I ask a genuine question, out of curiosity?

No doubt, this is an important anniversary for the South but what is the general view in the South, of the 100th anniversary of the Somme, given the thousands of Irish that died in it? Notably the 16th(Irish) Division, which lost almost 1/3 of its 10 and a half thousand men.

I'm glad the Queen isn't taking part too, it would have been totally inappropriate

I really shouldn't comment on the "Irish" division that went off fighting a British war but I'm sure you can guess what I think of them. Back to the topic, I'm heading to relatives in Derry for a real commemoration that isn't hijacked by Southern political parties who probably couldn't name the men who signed the proclamation without some civil servant having researched it for them.

That's what I thought would be popular opinion but have had a few meaningful discussions, by PM, to the contrary.

So you view it as a British War, over a World War...do you not think Ireland benefited though, from the victories in both World Wars? "

Benefited?? No

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"May I ask a genuine question, out of curiosity?

No doubt, this is an important anniversary for the South but what is the general view in the South, of the 100th anniversary of the Somme, given the thousands of Irish that died in it? Notably the 16th(Irish) Division, which lost almost 1/3 of its 10 and a half thousand men.

I'm glad the Queen isn't taking part too, it would have been totally inappropriate

I really shouldn't comment on the "Irish" division that went off fighting a British war but I'm sure you can guess what I think of them. Back to the topic, I'm heading to relatives in Derry for a real commemoration that isn't hijacked by Southern political parties who probably couldn't name the men who signed the proclamation without some civil servant having researched it for them.

That's what I thought would be popular opinion but have had a few meaningful discussions, by PM, to the contrary.

So you view it as a British War, over a World War...do you not think Ireland benefited though, from the victories in both World Wars?

Benefited?? No"

So, by default, you'd have been quite happy for the Nazis and Fascists, to have invaded Ireland(do you think they wouldn't have?) and be running it today? Really?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

To answer the original op question, we will be heading to Donegal with the kids for a few days, still need to check out where and when there will be any commemorations, around the buncrana area, and then we will be heading down to Dublin to pay our respects to our national heros

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"ill wait till 2021 and celebrate the end of the war of independence. 1916 was just one of many failed (and not very well supported) rebellions that took place in Ireland why didn't we celebrate all of those ?

But you forget laid that the failure and subsequent executions of the "rebels" was one of the reasons of the turn in support for the IRB and the Irish Republican army to wage the war of independence.

Tomcat "

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

It is very difficult to have a balanced debate on this subject, there are so many points of view, plus we have learned a lot since '66, never mind the past 100 years. The internet, in a way can easily dilute the topic, and make it even more divisive, as it sometimes cane be hard to convey a context through the written word. More so on a place like this. Is it the proper place to even debate the topic ?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"May I ask a genuine question, out of curiosity?

No doubt, this is an important anniversary for the South but what is the general view in the South, of the 100th anniversary of the Somme, given the thousands of Irish that died in it? Notably the 16th(Irish) Division, which lost almost 1/3 of its 10 and a half thousand men.

I'm glad the Queen isn't taking part too, it would have been totally inappropriate

I really shouldn't comment on the "Irish" division that went off fighting a British war but I'm sure you can guess what I think of them. Back to the topic, I'm heading to relatives in Derry for a real commemoration that isn't hijacked by Southern political parties who probably couldn't name the men who signed the proclamation without some civil servant having researched it for them."

No, why don't you tell us what you think of this "division" that went off to fight in a 'WORLD' war on behalf of the Irish people?

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By *ouple 0073Couple  over a year ago

donegal

Aww... Some sad and very misguided and ignorant comments on this

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Education is the key...

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By *ouple 0073Couple  over a year ago

donegal


"Education is the key..."

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I hope all celebrating have a fantastic time, though spare a thought for the plight of the generations of Irish women who Mr De Valera viewed as second class citizens!!!

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By *usky Couple01 OP   Couple  over a year ago

Aberdeenshire


"I hope all celebrating have a fantastic time, though spare a thought for the plight of the generations of Irish women who Mr De Valera viewed as second class citizens!!!"

Dev was a fine Fello to talk same man was born to a maid in America and his father was Spanish he only accidently ended up here in Eire.

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"I hope all celebrating have a fantastic time, though spare a thought for the plight of the generations of Irish women who Mr De Valera viewed as second class citizens!!!

Dev was a fine Fello to talk same man was born to a maid in America and his father was Spanish he only accidently ended up here in Eire.

"

So does Dev get celebrated or not?

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By *usky Couple01 OP   Couple  over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

I personally wouldn't celebrate him, others might

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By *isdirtygirlWoman  over a year ago

Dublin


"I personally wouldn't celebrate him, others might "

He was 2 when his mother sent him to live with his grandmother in limerick after his father died. Id hardly call that accidental,more like a mother unable to care for a young child and doing what was best for him. I find his life fascinating and I was at his funeral in 1975. The outpouring of grief was unbelievable on that day and I might have been 8 years old at the time but ill never forget it.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I hope all celebrating have a fantastic time, though spare a thought for the plight of the generations of Irish women who Mr De Valera viewed as second class citizens!!!

Dev was a fine Fello to talk same man was born to a maid in America and his father was Spanish he only accidently ended up here in Eire.

So does Dev get celebrated or not?"

If any of my family celebrated him my grandparents would turn in their graves. His name was a dirty word in their house.

Tomcat

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I hope all celebrating have a fantastic time, though spare a thought for the plight of the generations of Irish women who Mr De Valera viewed as second class citizens!!!

Dev was a fine Fello to talk same man was born to a maid in America and his father was Spanish he only accidently ended up here in Eire.

So does Dev get celebrated or not?

If any of my family celebrated him my grandparents would turn in their graves. His name was a dirty word in their house.

Tomcat "

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By *usky Couple01 OP   Couple  over a year ago

Aberdeenshire


"I hope all celebrating have a fantastic time, though spare a thought for the plight of the generations of Irish women who Mr De Valera viewed as second class citizens!!!

Dev was a fine Fello to talk same man was born to a maid in America and his father was Spanish he only accidently ended up here in Eire.

So does Dev get celebrated or not?

If any of my family celebrated him my grandparents would turn in their graves. His name was a dirty word in their house.

Tomcat "

I'm with you on this one , but that's just my personal opinion

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Shampoo & a good nite of pleasure to remember the occasion

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The fundamental principle of the 1916 proclamation, which guaranteed religious and civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportunities to all citizens, echoed by the 1922 constitution, guaranteeing those rights to every person "without distinction of sex", had been changed.

Historians have spent much time discussing the "dictionary republic" status of the new state and cause célèbre of de Valéra's Article 44.1. The latter article was the one which gave special recognition to the Catholic Church as the church of the majority of the population in the state - argued about for many years and used as an excuse by unionists to justified the claim that the Irish state was "ruled by Rome".

The conflict over the anti-feminist clauses has been largely ignored. Article 40.1 declared that all citizens should be equal before the law but the state could, "in its enactments" have "due regard to differences of capacity, physical and moral, and of social function". This was certainly not a guarantee of the 1916 "equal rights and opportunities".

One wonders if George Orwell, in Animal Farm, used it as the inspiration of his slogan "All Animals Are Equal; But Some Are More Equal Than Others".

Article 41.2.1 became famous as "a woman's place is in the home" statement -

"the State recognises that by her life within the home, woman gives to the State a support without which the common good cannot be achieved".

Because of this the next section went on to express the desire that it would endeavour to ensure that mothers should not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the home.

Now what support did the state offer? Certainly not that of poor Dr Noel Browne's Mother and Child health care scheme which brought out the Catholic hierarchy in outraged droves against "socialised medicine" that was "opposed to Catholic social teaching".

While women should be in the home producing children and looking after their menfolk, they would have to fend for themselves. Needless to record, the coalition government of which Brown's was health minister fell in June, 1951.

So much for Article 45.4.1 in which the state pledged itself to

"safeguard with especial care the economic interests of the weaker sections of the community, and, where necessary, to contribute to the support of the infirm, the widow, the orphan, and the aged".

The greatest insult women felt was enshrined in Article 45.4.2 in which the state ensured

"that the inadequate strength of women and the tender age of children shall not be abused, and that women or children shall not be forced by economic necessity to enter avocations unsuited to their sex, age or strength".

What avocations, one wonders, are unsuited to woman and which only men can do?

The Irish Independent columnist Gertrude Gaffney (who was also a war correspondent in Spain) was in no doubt what the constitution meant:

"The death knell of the working woman is sounded in this new constitution. Mr de Valéra has always been a reactionary where women are concerned. He dislikes and distrusts us as a sex and his aim ever since he came into office has been to put us into what he considers our place and keep us there."

Summarising the changes, Gertrude Gaffney said they made women

"no longer citizens entitled to enjoy equal rights under a democratic constitution, but laws are to be enacted which will take into consideration our `differences of capacity, physical and moral and social function".

The above is well worth reading, honestly why is this mans intolerance, misogomy, distaste for women being celebrated??

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