FabSwingers.com > Forums > Ireland > the refugee crisis.. what can you do to help?
the refugee crisis.. what can you do to help?
Jump to: Newest in thread
This is a website that petitions governments to do the right thing.
This link takes you to information about the refugee crisis in europe... if you care.. take a look, sign up and lets make a difference.
https://secure.avaaz.org/en/no_more_drownings_rb/?cRiWDjb | |||
| |||
| |||
"I make no apology for saying it but this is pure and utter hype. This country cannot afford to bring in refugees whether they are people fleeing wars ir oeople coming to screw the life out of the tax payer . Ine senior local politician said the same last week and asked these questiins: under the current financial climate how will we afford to house these people, to feed them, clothe them and get them jobs? We simply cant. There are dozens of homeless people lying on the streets of Belfast and Dublin, why not sort our own homeless problem before getting into this merrygoround of taking in thousands of political asylum seekers or refugees. If there is a political war in their countries then THEIR politicians need to sort it out.... not min Rant over. Amen."  | |||
"I make no apology for saying it but this is pure and utter hype. This country cannot afford to bring in refugees whether they are people fleeing wars ir oeople coming to screw the life out of the tax payer . Ine senior local politician said the same last week and asked these questiins: under the current financial climate how will we afford to house these people, to feed them, clothe them and get them jobs? We simply cant. There are dozens of homeless people lying on the streets of Belfast and Dublin, why not sort our own homeless problem before getting into this merrygoround of taking in thousands of political asylum seekers or refugees. If there is a political war in their countries then THEIR politicians need to sort it out.... not min Rant over. Amen. "Sorry my typing is so pathetic this morning but i think whoever reads will understand it | |||
"I make no apology for saying it but this is pure and utter hype. This country cannot afford to bring in refugees whether they are people fleeing wars ir oeople coming to screw the life out of the tax payer . Ine senior local politician said the same last week and asked these questiins: under the current financial climate how will we afford to house these people, to feed them, clothe them and get them jobs? We simply cant. There are dozens of homeless people lying on the streets of Belfast and Dublin, why not sort our own homeless problem before getting into this merrygoround of taking in thousands of political asylum seekers or refugees. If there is a political war in their countries then THEIR politicians need to sort it out.... not min Rant over. Amen." This "we can't afford it" idea is complete bollix. Ireland is flush, we're just not as flush as we were, politicians driving around in 151's earning 100,000 a year, our tax predictions are 1.4 BILLION ahead of what was expected, we can well afford to help at least some of those poor innocent people. Also why do some people assume that every single refugee is going to be a drain on the economy? They have skills too and given a chance they could not only pay back the initial costs, they might even make us more money in the long run, who know one of them might be the next Bill Gates etc. But I think prevention is better than a cure, we need the countries (the US, Brits) who've been keeping the middle east in turmoil for the last 100 years to man up, drive ISIS out, hunt down Boko Haram and stop dropping bombs from drones and start dropping rebuilding materials | |||
| |||
| |||
| |||
"I make no apology for saying it but this is pure and utter hype. This country cannot afford to bring in refugees whether they are people fleeing wars ir oeople coming to screw the life out of the tax payer . Ine senior local politician said the same last week and asked these questiins: under the current financial climate how will we afford to house these people, to feed them, clothe them and get them jobs? We simply cant. There are dozens of homeless people lying on the streets of Belfast and Dublin, why not sort our own homeless problem before getting into this merrygoround of taking in thousands of political asylum seekers or refugees. If there is a political war in their countries then THEIR politicians need to sort it out.... not min Rant over. Amen. This "we can't afford it" idea is complete bollix. Ireland is flush, we're just not as flush as we were, politicians driving around in 151's earning 100,000 a year, our tax predictions are 1.4 BILLION ahead of what was expected, we can well afford to help at least some of those poor innocent people. Also why do some people assume that every single refugee is going to be a drain on the economy? They have skills too and given a chance they could not only pay back the initial costs, they might even make us more money in the long run, who know one of them might be the next Bill Gates etc. But I think prevention is better than a cure, we need the countries (the US, Brits) who've been keeping the middle east in turmoil for the last 100 years to man up, drive ISIS out, hunt down Boko Haram and stop dropping bombs from drones and start dropping rebuilding materials " My mind is still open on the refugee subject but I normally go with live and let live. As for points about politicians etc very true but will probably never change. All positions in employment are vital yet we have such injustices. We could sort A lot by sorting out the politicians and senior civil service wage thing. We could sort a lot more by scrapping the public service pension that exists and do it as a private sector employee needs to do it. That should help us to aid quite a few refugees. It will never change. You can't give the lunatics key to the asylum and expect them to invite everyone to the party. | |||
| |||
"I make no apology for saying it but this is pure and utter hype. This country cannot afford to bring in refugees whether they are people fleeing wars ir oeople coming to screw the life out of the tax payer . Ine senior local politician said the same last week and asked these questiins: under the current financial climate how will we afford to house these people, to feed them, clothe them and get them jobs? We simply cant. There are dozens of homeless people lying on the streets of Belfast and Dublin, why not sort our own homeless problem before getting into this merrygoround of taking in thousands of political asylum seekers or refugees. If there is a political war in their countries then THEIR politicians need to sort it out.... not min Rant over. Amen." We are not being asked to flood Ireland both North and South with refugees. The EU is being asked to fulfill its humaitarian duty to assist these people fleeing war and EXTREME poverty as a result of war. Last week both Jeffrey Donaldson and Martin MaGuinness declared that N Ireland has the capability to accept a quota agreed by the EU. Now in the South , people are discussing the homeless crisis, are they aware that it would take roughly 46 years to occupy the vacant homes in Ireland?. How will rehoming a small number of displaced refugees change this number?. | |||
| |||
| |||
"6000 beds found for the refugees but none for the 300 families living on the streets in this country including young children and nothing being done about families being evicted from their homes of course the Irish will jump to help everyone else bar their own ffs" The families you mention are living in homeless shelters and many with extended family. Now this crisis was mostly as a result of high private rental , the Govenment should have placed a cap on charges or provided more social housing for those who fell victim to the recent recession. Why did they not? The revenue to the Government from landlords. However, this should not let us as a nation ignore a HUMANITARIAN CRIIS. The vast majority of these people are fleeing a war in Syria, one which was funded in part by many Western Governments. | |||
| |||
| |||
"U may all hate me for saying it but i dont think its fair on the irish economy to bring in more refugres .fair enough people are dying and im so sorry and sad about it.... but how many of our homeless have to die and starve for the government to help ..Seeing firsthand the situatuon of homelesness on the streets of dublin . I was there when shelters were closed down and the people had to sleep on the streets .our own irish families with little children living on the streets . the government saying their struggling to find funds to accomadate our own homeless but yet they can afford to take in thousands of refugees ... theyll be put on the welfare, handed a house . Or take up the jobs our own need. " | |||
| |||
"U may all hate me for saying it but i dont think its fair on the irish economy to bring in more refugres .fair enough people are dying and im so sorry and sad about it.... but how many of our homeless have to die and starve for the government to help ..Seeing firsthand the situatuon of homelesness on the streets of dublin . I was there when shelters were closed down and the people had to sleep on the streets .our own irish families with little children living on the streets . the government saying their struggling to find funds to accomadate our own homeless but yet they can afford to take in thousands of refugees ... theyll be put on the welfare, handed a house . Or take up the jobs our own need. " How many families ACTUALY had to live on the streets of Dublin? When EXACTLY did this occur? It took the story of a family living in a car and a homeless person dying on the street to get a reaction about homelessness in Ireland. Has anything changed ? When did Ireland as a Nation become so petty minded and mean towards others fleeing war or poverty? Gee thank goodness the nearly 2 million who fled the famine found refuge and helped shaped other Countries. The refugees in Mosney are not living in luxury! They survive on a pittance in dire accomodation, why? Seeking refuge from war and hunger. | |||
Both problems can be fixed relatively easily with the political will to do so. Ireland is relatively very flush as said above.
Miss Merkel might even consider a time out on repayments if we pull our weight on this.
| |||
"We're either in recovery or we're not....which is it politicians
Both problems can be fixed relatively easily with the political will to do so. Ireland is relatively very flush as said above.
Miss Merkel might even consider a time out on repayments if we pull our weight on this.
"I doubt it very much mate that the Germans will pull back on any payments it be nice to see but wont or will never happen i think. | |||
| |||
"We are talking about people's Lives here... To relieve people's suffering... And the economics come into play... I'd personally try to help anyone in crisis,to save the life of that little innocent baby who was washed up on the shore because if we don't help these people there will be another one of these little innocent lives it's just too sad "
Exactly!!!!!!
This is not about economics, there is not an EU Country that could not afford to absorb a percentage of those fleeing Syria.
I overheard a guy yesterday saying it was their own fault for getting on the boats.
Was it the fault of the Irish who died on famine ships??
Children died on those ships, children fleeing starvation, just as these people are. | |||
| |||
"We are talking about people's Lives here... To relieve people's suffering... And the economics come into play... I'd personally try to help anyone in crisis,to save the life of that little innocent baby who was washed up on the shore because if we don't help these people there will be another one of these little innocent lives it's just too sad
Exactly!!!!!!
This is not about economics, there is not an EU Country that could not afford to absorb a percentage of those fleeing Syria.
I overheard a guy yesterday saying it was their own fault for getting on the boats.
Was it the fault of the Irish who died on famine ships??
Children died on those ships, children fleeing starvation, just as these people are."
It makes me sick when people put money over other people's lives misery and suffering | |||
"We are talking about people's Lives here... To relieve people's suffering... And the economics come into play... I'd personally try to help anyone in crisis,to save the life of that little innocent baby who was washed up on the shore because if we don't help these people there will be another one of these little innocent lives it's just too sad
Exactly!!!!!!
This is not about economics, there is not an EU Country that could not afford to absorb a percentage of those fleeing Syria.
I overheard a guy yesterday saying it was their own fault for getting on the boats.
Was it the fault of the Irish who died on famine ships??
Children died on those ships, children fleeing starvation, just as these people are.
It makes me sick when people put money over other people's lives misery and suffering "Makes me sick when those who live in the 7th richest EU Country do so. The regugees ( not immigrants ) are simply seeking help, a chance to live and recover from the tragedy of war. | |||
"We are talking about people's Lives here... To relieve people's suffering... And the economics come into play... I'd personally try to help anyone in crisis,to save the life of that little innocent baby who was washed up on the shore because if we don't help these people there will be another one of these little innocent lives it's just too sad
Exactly!!!!!!
This is not about economics, there is not an EU Country that could not afford to absorb a percentage of those fleeing Syria.
I overheard a guy yesterday saying it was their own fault for getting on the boats.
Was it the fault of the Irish who died on famine ships??
Children died on those ships, children fleeing starvation, just as these people are.
It makes me sick when people put money over other people's lives misery and suffering
Makes me sick when those who live in the 7th richest EU Country do so.
The regugees ( not immigrants ) are simply seeking help, a chance to live and recover from the tragedy of war."I couldn't agree with you more!! It's times like these America makes me fucking sick too,they have no interest,they only get involved when it's of personal interest to them!!! We as Irish have always been loving and generous people,we have always shared out soup n spuds to make ends meat! Looks like we're nothing but selfish bastards!! | |||
| |||
"Mr69: Anyone have any ideas as to why countries nearer Syria & Iraq who are swimming in oil money aren't helping their neighbours? People who are culturally & lingually similar?" Cauz they're selfish bastards! | |||
"Mr69: Anyone have any ideas as to why countries nearer Syria & Iraq who are swimming in oil money aren't helping their neighbours? People who are culturally & lingually similar?" The wealthy states closest to Syria will not grant a refugee a visa to enter unless they have family residing in these Countries. Jordan and Lebanon are the closest where thousands are resettled in camps, many more thousands pay rent to live in garages and derilect buildings. They work for low wages to survive. Interestingly many of the rich Arab countries closest to Syria helped fund the war. It is sickening that later this month, many of those who did will converge in the UK, for an International Arms dealership!!! Shame on the UK for allowing this to go ahead. | |||
"I make no apology for saying it but this is pure and utter hype. This country cannot afford to bring in refugees whether they are people fleeing wars ir oeople coming to screw the life out of the tax payer . Ine senior local politician said the same last week and asked these questiins: under the current financial climate how will we afford to house these people, to feed them, clothe them and get them jobs? We simply cant. There are dozens of homeless people lying on the streets of Belfast and Dublin, why not sort our own homeless problem before getting into this merrygoround of taking in thousands of political asylum seekers or refugees. If there is a political war in their countries then THEIR politicians need to sort it out.... not min Rant over. Amen. This "we can't afford it" idea is complete bollix. Ireland is flush, we're just not as flush as we were, politicians driving around in 151's earning 100,000 a year, our tax predictions are 1.4 BILLION ahead of what was expected, we can well afford to help at least some of those poor innocent people. Also why do some people assume that every single refugee is going to be a drain on the economy? They have skills too and given a chance they could not only pay back the initial costs, they might even make us more money in the long run, who know one of them might be the next Bill Gates etc. But I think prevention is better than a cure, we need the countries (the US, Brits) who've been keeping the middle east in turmoil for the last 100 years to man up, drive ISIS out, hunt down Boko Haram and stop dropping bombs from drones and start dropping rebuilding materials " Listening to "talk radio " in my workshop the other day.... The debater for the "let them all in" campaign, who on a humanitarian level made a very compelling argument to lower our borders conceded he was aware of a recent survey by the Danish government on immigration. Of the immigrants within their very large sample group that came to Denmark ten years or so ago...100% were now on full social security ....very much blowing a hole in the contribution to society argument. Why don't the rich Muslim Arab nations such as Qatar, Sudi,Kuwait, etc help?....the vast majority of the fleeing masses are not Christian but Muslim. As Jesus himself said "there will always be poor"....it's not our job to save the world... .but it is our business to look after our own poor first" I've been in business for 17 years and I've seen no improvement in the economy. ...that's just spin by a government that will say anything to be re-elected.... Remember their promises last time round?. ..not saying the others waiting in the wings won't lie to us, like the previous one...but? Ollie | |||
| |||
"Mr69: Anyone have any ideas as to why countries nearer Syria & Iraq who are swimming in oil money aren't helping their neighbours? People who are culturally & lingually similar? The wealthy states closest to Syria will not grant a refugee a visa to enter unless they have family residing in these Countries. Jordan and Lebanon are the closest where thousands are resettled in camps, many more thousands pay rent to live in garages and derilect buildings. They work for low wages to survive. Interestingly many of the rich Arab countries closest to Syria helped fund the war. It is sickening that later this month, many of those who did will converge in the UK, for an International Arms dealership!!! Shame on the UK for allowing this to go ahead." Mr69: yeah, it's all our fault. I take it you're ready to open your doors then Spanish? In fact, why should we be ashamed? People from every country & society use arms to protect their interests. Including any you have ever lived in so don't start trying to paint some utopian picture where the meek shall inherit the Earth. | |||
"Mr69: Anyone have any ideas as to why countries nearer Syria & Iraq who are swimming in oil money aren't helping their neighbours? People who are culturally & lingually similar? The wealthy states closest to Syria will not grant a refugee a visa to enter unless they have family residing in these Countries. Jordan and Lebanon are the closest where thousands are resettled in camps, many more thousands pay rent to live in garages and derilect buildings. They work for low wages to survive. Interestingly many of the rich Arab countries closest to Syria helped fund the war. It is sickening that later this month, many of those who did will converge in the UK, for an International Arms dealership!!! Shame on the UK for allowing this to go ahead. Mr69: yeah, it's all our fault. I take it you're ready to open your doors then Spanish? In fact, why should we be ashamed? People from every country & society use arms to protect their interests. Including any you have ever lived in so don't start trying to paint some utopian picture where the meek shall inherit the Earth." | |||
| |||
"I believe in women's rights, gay rights and sexual freedom (obviously) and so I will never accept the Islamification of the West. Open your eyes it's the ordinary people who have to put up with the consequences while the Geldofs etc can head off to their mansions abroad when it all goes tits up Sam" | |||
"Mr69: Anyone have any ideas as to why countries nearer Syria & Iraq who are swimming in oil money aren't helping their neighbours? People who are culturally & lingually similar? The wealthy states closest to Syria will not grant a refugee a visa to enter unless they have family residing in these Countries. Jordan and Lebanon are the closest where thousands are resettled in camps, many more thousands pay rent to live in garages and derilect buildings. They work for low wages to survive. Interestingly many of the rich Arab countries closest to Syria helped fund the war. It is sickening that later this month, many of those who did will converge in the UK, for an International Arms dealership!!! Shame on the UK for allowing this to go ahead. Mr69: yeah, it's all our fault. I take it you're ready to open your doors then Spanish? In fact, why should we be ashamed? People from every country & society use arms to protect their interests. Including any you have ever lived in so don't start trying to paint some utopian picture where the meek shall inherit the Earth." Please do not twist my post. Firstly there is no utopian picture being painted by myself, I was stating a fact that arms dealers who helped cause this war will be allowed to deal in the UK. Wrong on so many levels. If you or anyone else chooses to not be ashamed of this fact as a reason not to take an agreed quota of refugees then that is your preogative. However, equaly as many people do want to help, including governments, charities and individuals. It is not about the meek inheriting the earth, it is about recognising right from wrong and acting upon this. | |||
"We as Irish have always been loving and generous people" Well going on some of the messages here it seems that it has changed. The world renowned Irish love has fizzled out in some people. I'd say this is partly down to the successive governments failing us and having families thrown out on the streets, taxing anything they can....up to our breath almost. Squeezing the life out of us. Taking every penny they can. I for one (Mr here), can't stand our coalition and my allegiance is with another party. However, their failings should not cloud people's judgment on what is happening here. Yes. Fact: We have a housing crisis. Mortgages, houses going into foreclosure, people on the streets and "homeless" people. I use that loosely as a lot are in shelters or with family. Technically homeless. Don't get me wrong, it's an awful predicament to be in. I sympathise. The raw , hard fact is that this is a Humanitarian crisis. People are dying unnecessarily. The traffickers are allowing the families bring toddlers for free! "That" picture is not everyday published material. The editors made hard decisions when letting it go to press/internet etc. The picture opened people's eyes. Something was already said here RE:.The famine. Remember the coffin ships? Don't be hypocritical. Our people went in search of food and safety. We have roots globally. Don't deny these people their human rights. The right to life! Yes there'll be a fraction that are getting the free ride on the gravy train but that happens everywhere. We need to help these people. Refugees....NOT immigrants. There's a difference. Imagine taking, as a parent, your kids on a boat in volatile conditions for a better life. Knowing how dangerous it is but also knowing that your chances of survival on dry land are far outweighed by the boat..... Give them the chance to start again. We got it. They also deserve it. | |||
| |||
" poor little Christian girl" What has religion have to do with this? There are issues globally. This is a huge one. There's Calais too. I agree we have closer problems but at the end of the day this is a Humanitarian crisis. Hopefully that boiling piss doesn't hurt when exiting...... | |||
| |||
| |||
| |||
| |||
"Firstly that poor little child that washed up wasn't fleeing anything, his family were living in Turkey. Secondly nobody batted an eyelid when pictures emerged of the poor little Christian girl who was beheaded by ISIS. Do your research and find out exactly who you want to welcome in to your home. It's sad yes, but there are others closer and better suited to help. We should be applying pressure on them to act. This blinkered left wing liberalism makes my piss boil." His body was washed up on a Turkish beach. His family had fled from Kobane in Syria. | |||
"And regardless that it's a religious war......they want safety. Would you sit around waiting for your family to be murdered? I know I wouldn't."
Agree with everything you said there T | |||
" poor little Christian girl What has religion have to do with this? There are issues globally. This is a huge one. There's Calais too. I agree we have closer problems but at the end of the day this is a Humanitarian crisis. Hopefully that boiling piss doesn't hurt when exiting......" Meh...I hope it does! | |||
| |||
"Hopefully that boiling piss doesn't hurt when exiting...... Meh...I hope it does! " Mal do you really think I meant it?  | |||
"Hopefully that boiling piss doesn't hurt when exiting...... Meh...I hope it does! Mal do you really think I meant it? "Nope  | |||
| |||
"regarding the iconic picture of the poor child whos lifeless body was washed up this week , the picture that has tugged at every persons heartstrings ..it now transpires that the poor mites needlessly crossed the sea in that capsised boat and lost lost their lives NOT because they were fleeing war and isis , in fact the family had been living in turkey since 2012 and were doing ok , the father , who survived , had decided to pack his family on that boat because he wanted free dental work done !!! not because of any other reason , and now his 2 children and wife are dead .It transpires he had a large amount of money on him , and could have in fact paid to have his family put on proper ferry , but instead chose to take a dangerous crossing , an absolutely ludocris idea which has cost him his family . So dont believe everything you read , the loss of life is of course horific , but in this case also totally unnecessary , given that the particular family need not have chose this path ." And yet you believe what you read by stating these facts are reliable and true  | |||
"regarding the iconic picture of the poor child whos lifeless body was washed up this week , the picture that has tugged at every persons heartstrings ..it now transpires that the poor mites needlessly crossed the sea in that capsised boat and lost lost their lives NOT because they were fleeing war and isis , in fact the family had been living in turkey since 2012 and were doing ok , the father , who survived , had decided to pack his family on that boat because he wanted free dental work done !!! not because of any other reason , and now his 2 children and wife are dead .It transpires he had a large amount of money on him , and could have in fact paid to have his family put on proper ferry , but instead chose to take a dangerous crossing , an absolutely ludocris idea which has cost him his family . So dont believe everything you read , the loss of life is of course horific , but in this case also totally unnecessary , given that the particular family need not have chose this path ." Which news outlet is tgis information available on?. I knew that the Canadians has turned down the Fathers application for asylum, and one news outlet stood accused alongside a minister of spreading false accusations. | |||
| |||
" And yet you believe what you read by stating these facts are reliable and true "Exactly....where are you getting you info midnight? ...... The picture or the story doesn't really matter. Regardless of what happened that boy there are is still a crisis. | |||
"i think you will find what I wrote is true . of course its your perogative to ignore the information ." And how have you found it to be true? | |||
| |||
"Mr69: Anyone have any ideas as to why countries nearer Syria & Iraq who are swimming in oil money aren't helping their neighbours? People who are culturally & lingually similar? The wealthy states closest to Syria will not grant a refugee a visa to enter unless they have family residing in these Countries. Jordan and Lebanon are the closest where thousands are resettled in camps, many more thousands pay rent to live in garages and derilect buildings. They work for low wages to survive. Interestingly many of the rich Arab countries closest to Syria helped fund the war. It is sickening that later this month, many of those who did will converge in the UK, for an International Arms dealership!!! Shame on the UK for allowing this to go ahead. Mr69: yeah, it's all our fault. I take it you're ready to open your doors then Spanish? In fact, why should we be ashamed? People from every country & society use arms to protect their interests. Including any you have ever lived in so don't start trying to paint some utopian picture where the meek shall inherit the Earth. Please do not twist my post. Firstly there is no utopian picture being painted by myself, I was stating a fact that arms dealers who helped cause this war will be allowed to deal in the UK. Wrong on so many levels. If you or anyone else chooses to not be ashamed of this fact as a reason not to take an agreed quota of refugees then that is your preogative. However, equaly as many people do want to help, including governments, charities and individuals. It is not about the meek inheriting the earth, it is about recognising right from wrong and acting upon this." Mr69: Question 1. How did an arms dealer start a civil war in Syria? I'm betting I won't need to ask a question 2. | |||
"i think you will find what I wrote is true . of course its your perogative to ignore the information ." And where did you read this apparently "TRUE FACT" information...I have on the contrary read completely different stories about the people on that boat! | |||
" And yet you believe what you read by stating these facts are reliable and true
Exactly....where are you getting you info midnight? ......
The picture or the story doesn't really matter. Regardless of what happened that boy there are is still a crisis. "I am in no way disputing that there is of course a huge crisis . I am merely highlighting the actual facts behind that iconic picture , no dout there are countless other poor people who have lost their lives actually fleeing this conflict , I am just pointing out that in this familys particular case , the family had not just left a warzone , they were in fact living in the relative (for now) safety of Turkey . The decision to cross was purely economic in their case . We are witnessing the biggest movement of people since world war two , many of these people should very rightly be afforded all protection necessary . I am merely suggesting that media manipulation is contributing to the stories we are seeing . | |||
| |||
| |||
"Just a word in all your ears..I (m) during my service time as officer in th Swiss Army had do deal with "real" refugees from Bosnia..families with children Real as they were families not single guys 14-40 but real with shell shock and bad terrible memories of seeing their families being killed. Even as an officer it was bad to cope with - do you honestly think that ordinary people can deal with this ?? Real "refugees" who have seen their sisters, brothers, fathers, mothers, grand parents killed butchered in front of them ?? To listen to them screaming at night in a bunker where they were given protection, food, shelter and a new stay until they could be settled down was bad enough - Till today Switzerland is dealing with the aftermatts of Bosnia with murder and voilence because they (the refugees of then) can not deal with the past... Think of that before scream "We help", think what you can do and not do... ! Switzerland has a long tradition of taking in refuguees from many nations like Sri Lanka, Vietnam, Thibet and many other countries BEFORE even the EU decided to deal with such issues and Switzerland never asked for help or money, but it has put a strain on the country.... Think of that... Think what a real refugee is, as in my eyes some one from Vietnam, Eritrea, Albania are not refugees but just wanting to have a better life.. A real refugee needs special doctors and special care..." Absolutely correct... | |||
"Just a word in all your ears..I (m) during my service time as officer in th Swiss Army had do deal with "real" refugees from Bosnia..families with children Real as they were families not single guys 14-40 but real with shell shock and bad terrible memories of seeing their families being killed. Even as an officer it was bad to cope with - do you honestly think that ordinary people can deal with this ?? Real "refugees" who have seen their sisters, brothers, fathers, mothers, grand parents killed butchered in front of them ?? To listen to them screaming at night in a bunker where they were given protection, food, shelter and a new stay until they could be settled down was bad enough - Till today Switzerland is dealing with the aftermatts of Bosnia with murder and voilence because they (the refugees of then) can not deal with the past... Think of that before scream "We help", think what you can do and not do... ! Switzerland has a long tradition of taking in refuguees from many nations like Sri Lanka, Vietnam, Thibet and many other countries BEFORE even the EU decided to deal with such issues and Switzerland never asked for help or money, but it has put a strain on the country.... Think of that... Think what a real refugee is, as in my eyes some one from Vietnam, Eritrea, Albania are not refugees but just wanting to have a better life.. A real refugee needs special doctors and special care..." Great post. Seriously can I ask a genuine question, in your opinion do we here in the EU simply ignore the situation. Let Germany become another Switzerland as you described in your post? Will the West wake up and try to find a solution to ending the war in Syria, as an ex member of the forces, do you see this happening?. | |||
"i think you will find what I wrote is true . of course its your perogative to ignore the information ." Genuinely wondering which news outlet provided the story?. | |||
"Genuinely wondering which news outlet provided the story?." Had to be The Sun. | |||
| |||
"i think you will find what I wrote is true . of course its your perogative to ignore the information . Genuinely wondering which news outlet provided the story?." His name was Aylan. He was 3 years old, from war-torn Syria. His final journey was supposed to end in sanctuary in Europe; instead it claimed his life and highlighted the plight of desperate people caught in the gravest refugee crisis since World War II. The images of the toddler’s lifeless body on a Turkish beach have reverberated across the globe, stirring public outrage and embarrassing political leaders as far away as Canada, where authorities had rejected an asylum application from the boy’s relatives. The child pictured facedown in red T-shirt and shorts was identified as Aylan Kurdi, a Syrian Kurd from Kobani, a town near the Turkish border that has witnessed months of heavy fighting between Islamic State and Syrian Kurdish forces. He drowned after the 15-foot boat ferrying him from the Turkish beach resort of Bodrum to the Greek island of Kos capsized shortly before dawn on Wednesday, killing 12 passengers. Aylan’s 5-year-old brother, Galip, and his mother, Rehan, were also among the dead. His father, Abdullah, was the only family member to survive. Photo Goes ViralOn Thursday, a distraught Mr. Kurdi, 40, told reporters he was preparing to take the bodies back to Kobani for burial and would stay there. “From now on, I will live (in Kobani) too. I want to be buried with my family,” he said outside the morgue in the nearby town of Mugla. Mr. Kurdi brought his family to Turkey three years ago after fleeing fighting first in Damascus, where he worked as a barber, then in Aleppo, then Kobani. His Facebook page shows pictures of the family in Istanbul crossing the Bosporus and feeding pigeons next to the famous Yeni Cami, or new mosque. From his hospital bed on Wednesday, Mr. Kurdi told a Syrian radio station that he had worked on construction sites for 50 Turkish lira (roughly $17) a day, but it wasn’t enough to live on. He said they depended on his sister, Tima Kurdi, who lived in Canada, for help paying the rent. Ms. Kurdi, speaking Thursday in a Vancouver suburb, said that their father, still in Syria, had suggested Abdullah go to Europe to get his damaged teeth fixed and find a way to help his family leave Turkey. She said she began wiring her brother money three weeks ago, in €1,000 ($1,100) amounts, to help pay for the trip. Shortly after, she said her brother called her and said he wanted to bring his whole family to Europe, as his wife wasn’t able to support their two boys alone in Istanbul. The father of 3-year-old Aylan Kurdi, whose body washed ashore on a Turkish beach, spoke with reporters after harrowing images of his dead son were published across the globe. Image: Associated Press “If we go, we go all of us,” Ms. Kurdi recounted him telling her. She said she spoke to his wife last week, who told her she was scared of the water and couldn’t swim. “I said to her, ‘I cannot push you to go. If you don’t want to go, don’t go,’” she said. “But I guess they all decided they wanted to do it all together.” At the morgue, Mr. Kurdi described what happened after they set off from the deserted beach, under cover of darkness. “We went into the sea for four minutes and then the captain saw that the waves are so high so he steered the boat and we were hit immediately. He panicked and dived into the sea and fled. I took over and started steering, the waves were so high the boat flipped. I took my wife in my arms and I realized they were all dead.” Mr. Kurdi gave different accounts of what happened next.“My kids were the most beautiful children in the world,” he said outside the morgue. “They woke me up every morning to play with them. They are all gone now. Now all I want to do is sit next to the grave of my wife and children.” In Canada, Ms. Kurdi said her brother had sent her a text message around 3 a.m. Turkish time Wednesday confirming they had set off. The next time she spoke to him, he was in shock, telling her how he fought vainly to keep his two boys alive in the water, one tucked under each arm. “They screamed ‘Daddy, please don’t die,” she said he told her. One by one, as he realized they were dead, he closed his eyes and let go, she said. “He said, ‘I did everything in my power to save them, but I couldn’t,’” she said. “My brother said to me, ‘My kids have to be the wake-up call for the whole world.’” SOCIAL REACTIONS Mr. Kurdi said he had paid smugglers some €4,000 for safe passage to Greece. Turkish news agencies reported Thursday that police had detained four Syrians suspected of“My kids were the most beautiful children in the world,” he said outside the morgue. “They woke me up every morning to play with them. They are all gone now. Now all I want to do is sit next to the grave of my wife and children.” In Canada, Ms. Kurdi said her brother had sent her a text message around 3 a.m. Turkish time Wednesday confirming they had set off. The next time she spoke to him, he was in shock, telling her how he fought vainly to keep his two boys alive in the water, one tucked under each arm. courtesy of the wall street journal * 3/ 9/ 2015 | |||
| |||
"A dictator with lots of weapons he likes to point or drop on/at his subjects telling everyone who will listen that IS are at the gates to the West. Maybe if we ask nicely Spanish?" The correct way would have been to ask the question without the added assumption that a decent debate on the subject would be possible. The most notorious dealers in arms from both the West and East will be in attendence at this event. Many of them stand accused both past and present of heavy involvement in milita groups in war zones across the world. Then there are the Governments who supply arms both openly and secretly to groups , whilst at the same time bemoaning said wars. All of the above is factual, easily found on the web and pretty much ans your queation. The Syrian War is being funded by dealers and Governments alike. | |||
"A dictator with lots of weapons he likes to point or drop on/at his subjects telling everyone who will listen that IS are at the gates to the West. Maybe if we ask nicely Spanish? The correct way would have been to ask the question without the added assumption that a decent debate on the subject would be possible. The most notorious dealers in arms from both the West and East will be in attendence at this event. Many of them stand accused both past and present of heavy involvement in milita groups in war zones across the world. Then there are the Governments who supply arms both openly and secretly to groups , whilst at the same time bemoaning said wars. All of the above is factual, easily found on the web and pretty much ans your queation. The Syrian War is being funded by dealers and Governments alike. " As I thought. So because someone sold Assad some weapons, it's their fault he's killing people with them. (If you stand by what you say.) No, it's his fault. | |||
"A dictator with lots of weapons he likes to point or drop on/at his subjects telling everyone who will listen that IS are at the gates to the West. Maybe if we ask nicely Spanish? The correct way would have been to ask the question without the added assumption that a decent debate on the subject would be possible. The most notorious dealers in arms from both the West and East will be in attendence at this event. Many of them stand accused both past and present of heavy involvement in milita groups in war zones across the world. Then there are the Governments who supply arms both openly and secretly to groups , whilst at the same time bemoaning said wars. All of the above is factual, easily found on the web and pretty much ans your queation. The Syrian War is being funded by dealers and Governments alike. As I thought. So because someone sold Assad some weapons, it's their fault he's killing people with them. (If you stand by what you say.) No, it's his fault. " If yl either openingly or secretly supply any Dictator with arms, who in turn uses said arms to destroy their people and Country, then, you are equaly to blame for the situation in that region. Got it in one, my opinion | |||
| |||
" Ps..... Wall street journal...... I'd trust Enda Kenny before that rag. And I would love nothing more than to see Kenny trade places with a refugee......only not to be saved!" | |||
"A dictator with lots of weapons he likes to point or drop on/at his subjects telling everyone who will listen that IS are at the gates to the West. Maybe if we ask nicely Spanish? The correct way would have been to ask the question without the added assumption that a decent debate on the subject would be possible. The most notorious dealers in arms from both the West and East will be in attendence at this event. Many of them stand accused both past and present of heavy involvement in milita groups in war zones across the world. Then there are the Governments who supply arms both openly and secretly to groups , whilst at the same time bemoaning said wars. All of the above is factual, easily found on the web and pretty much ans your queation. The Syrian War is being funded by dealers and Governments alike. As I thought. So because someone sold Assad some weapons, it's their fault he's killing people with them. (If you stand by what you say.) No, it's his fault. If yl either openingly or secretly supply any Dictator with arms, who in turn uses said arms to destroy their people and Country, then, you are equaly to blame for the situation in that region. Got it in one, my opinion "That's OK, you are entitled to your opinion. Why isn't it the manufacturer of the weapons who is to blame? | |||
| |||
" Why isn't it the manufacturer of the weapons who is to blame? " Isn't that the same logic applied to blaming McDonald's for people being overweight? Whatever about the weapons. It's time to be human. Selfless. Time to help! And people please done play the WE CAN'T TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN card. The country is flush but we do have our problems. I'm sorry but I'd rathermy child was homeless in another country with me than floating in the Mediterranean sea.....dead. | |||
"A dictator with lots of weapons he likes to point or drop on/at his subjects telling everyone who will listen that IS are at the gates to the West. Maybe if we ask nicely Spanish? The correct way would have been to ask the question without the added assumption that a decent debate on the subject would be possible. The most notorious dealers in arms from both the West and East will be in attendence at this event. Many of them stand accused both past and present of heavy involvement in milita groups in war zones across the world. Then there are the Governments who supply arms both openly and secretly to groups , whilst at the same time bemoaning said wars. All of the above is factual, easily found on the web and pretty much ans your queation. The Syrian War is being funded by dealers and Governments alike. As I thought. So because someone sold Assad some weapons, it's their fault he's killing people with them. (If you stand by what you say.) No, it's his fault. If yl either openingly or secretly supply any Dictator with arms, who in turn uses said arms to destroy their people and Country, then, you are equaly to blame for the situation in that region. Got it in one, my opinion
That's OK, you are entitled to your opinion. Why isn't it the manufacturer of the weapons who is to blame?
"Is that not the same as asking if the manufactuer of a knife to blame in the hands of a murderer?. The context of my opinion on arms ect is based on the fact that Syrians are fleeing a war zone, one that has been funded and continued by rogues out for financial gain. | |||
"i think you will find what I wrote is true . of course its your perogative to ignore the information . Genuinely wondering which news outlet provided the story?.His name was Aylan. He was 3 years old, from war-torn Syria. His final journey was supposed to end in sanctuary in Europe; instead it claimed his life and highlighted the plight of desperate people caught in the gravest refugee crisis since World War II. The images of the toddler’s lifeless body on a Turkish beach have reverberated across the globe, stirring public outrage and embarrassing political leaders as far away as Canada, where authorities had rejected an asylum application from the boy’s relatives. The child pictured facedown in red T-shirt and shorts was identified as Aylan Kurdi, a Syrian Kurd from Kobani, a town near the Turkish border that has witnessed months of heavy fighting between Islamic State and Syrian Kurdish forces. He drowned after the 15-foot boat ferrying him from the Turkish beach resort of Bodrum to the Greek island of Kos capsized shortly before dawn on Wednesday, killing 12 passengers. Aylan’s 5-year-old brother, Galip, and his mother, Rehan, were also among the dead. His father, Abdullah, was the only family member to survive. Photo Goes ViralOn Thursday, a distraught Mr. Kurdi, 40, told reporters he was preparing to take the bodies back to Kobani for burial and would stay there. “From now on, I will live (in Kobani) too. I want to be buried with my family,” he said outside the morgue in the nearby town of Mugla. Mr. Kurdi brought his family to Turkey three years ago after fleeing fighting first in Damascus, where he worked as a barber, then in Aleppo, then Kobani. His Facebook page shows pictures of the family in Istanbul crossing the Bosporus and feeding pigeons next to the famous Yeni Cami, or new mosque. From his hospital bed on Wednesday, Mr. Kurdi told a Syrian radio station that he had worked on construction sites for 50 Turkish lira (roughly $17) a day, but it wasn’t enough to live on. He said they depended on his sister, Tima Kurdi, who lived in Canada, for help paying the rent. Ms. Kurdi, speaking Thursday in a Vancouver suburb, said that their father, still in Syria, had suggested Abdullah go to Europe to get his damaged teeth fixed and find a way to help his family leave Turkey. She said she began wiring her brother money three weeks ago, in €1,000 ($1,100) amounts, to help pay for the trip. Shortly after, she said her brother called her and said he wanted to bring his whole family to Europe, as his wife wasn’t able to support their two boys alone in Istanbul. The father of 3-year-old Aylan Kurdi, whose body washed ashore on a Turkish beach, spoke with reporters after harrowing images of his dead son were published across the globe. Image: Associated Press “If we go, we go all of us,” Ms. Kurdi recounted him telling her. She said she spoke to his wife last week, who told her she was scared of the water and couldn’t swim. “I said to her, ‘I cannot push you to go. If you don’t want to go, don’t go,’” she said. “But I guess they all decided they wanted to do it all together.” At the morgue, Mr. Kurdi described what happened after they set off from the deserted beach, under cover of darkness. “We went into the sea for four minutes and then the captain saw that the waves are so high so he steered the boat and we were hit immediately. He panicked and dived into the sea and fled. I took over and started steering, the waves were so high the boat flipped. I took my wife in my arms and I realized they were all dead.” Mr. Kurdi gave different accounts of what happened next.“My kids were the most beautiful children in the world,” he said outside the morgue. “They woke me up every morning to play with them. They are all gone now. Now all I want to do is sit next to the grave of my wife and children.” In Canada, Ms. Kurdi said her brother had sent her a text message around 3 a.m. Turkish time Wednesday confirming they had set off. The next time she spoke to him, he was in shock, telling her how he fought vainly to keep his two boys alive in the water, one tucked under each arm. “They screamed ‘Daddy, please don’t die,” she said he told her. One by one, as he realized they were dead, he closed his eyes and let go, she said. “He said, ‘I did everything in my power to save them, but I couldn’t,’” she said. “My brother said to me, ‘My kids have to be the wake-up call for the whole world.’” SOCIAL REACTIONS Mr. Kurdi said he had paid smugglers some €4,000 for safe passage to Greece. Turkish news agencies reported Thursday that police had detained four Syrians suspected of“My kids were the most beautiful children in the world,” he said outside the morgue. “They woke me up every morning to play with them. They are all gone now. Now all I want to do is sit next to the grave of my wife and children.” In Canada, Ms. Kurdi said her brother had sent her a text message around 3 a.m. Turkish time Wednesday confirming they had set off. The next time she spoke to him, he was in shock, telling her how he fought vainly to keep his two boys alive in the water, one tucked under each arm. courtesy of the wall street journal * 3/ 9/ 2015 " Thanks, still wondering why only Murdochs paper reported this. | |||
