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No it wasnt a inside job yes it was bin laden yes it was jets and not controlled dromes.It was planned by Al Qeada since 1993 after the failing of the first attack.The Americans knew that the states would be targeted cause of increasing attacks on American Interest abroad for example attack on USS Cole and the bombing of there embassy in Kenya.CIA and FBI knew something was been planned after the arrest and Capture of Ramzi Yousef who planned the fail attack on the world trade center in 1993. |
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"after 14 years...any opinion on 9/11...
Proportionally a lesser event than the Omagh bombing but provoked wars rather than police and political inaction. "
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"after 14 years...any opinion on 9/11...
Proportionally a lesser event than the Omagh bombing but provoked wars rather than police and political inaction. how do you equate this??"
I don't equate them. As I said they're not equal. If you mean compare then
Size of omagh and no killed against size of new York and no killed |
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As the brother of w new York city fire fighter who was there when tower two came down its always on our minds every anniversary of the day thank God he is still here today and a fire fight in long Island new York to this day |
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"As the brother of w new York city fire fighter who was there when tower two came down its always on our minds every anniversary of the day thank God he is still here today and a fire fight in long Island new York to this day "
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"As the brother of w new York city fire fighter who was there when tower two came down its always on our minds every anniversary of the day thank God he is still here today and a fire fight in long Island new York to this day
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"No it wasnt a inside job yes it was bin laden yes it was jets and not controlled dromes.It was planned by Al Qeada since 1993 after the failing of the first attack.The Americans knew that the states would be targeted cause of increasing attacks on American Interest abroad for example attack on USS Cole and the bombing of there embassy in Kenya.CIA and FBI knew something was
been planned after the arrest and
Capture of Ramzi Yousef who planned
the fail attack on the world trade center
in 1993."
And a thousand structural engineers out of a thousand would would disagree with you. There was planes used of course. But in comparison to the buildings the planes ware very small. there is no chance of the planes Knocking those buildings to the ground.
The metal frame inside the buildings began to melt. Also impossible for fire to melt metal, I'd listen to the experts in there field before I'd listen to some dodgy report drawn up by the same people that planed it.
They funded ISIS and are now upset that ISIS are attacking the western world. My god . |
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"No it wasnt a inside job yes it was bin laden yes it was jets and not controlled dromes.It was planned by Al Qeada since 1993 after the failing of the first attack.The Americans knew that the states would be targeted cause of increasing attacks on American Interest abroad for example attack on USS Cole and the bombing of there embassy in Kenya.CIA and FBI knew something was
been planned after the arrest and
Capture of Ramzi Yousef who planned
the fail attack on the world trade center
in 1993.
And a thousand structural engineers out of a thousand would would disagree with you. There was planes used of course. But in comparison to the buildings the planes ware very small. there is no chance of the planes Knocking those buildings to the ground.
The metal frame inside the buildings began to melt. Also impossible for fire to melt metal, I'd listen to the experts in there field before I'd listen to some dodgy report drawn up by the same people that planed it.
They funded ISIS and are now upset that ISIS are attacking the western world. My god . "
What is smelting then? |
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Yes have heard of a black Smith actually.
How hot dose jet fuel burn at. Some say 550 degrees. But yet the report said that this special fuel burnt at over 2500 degrees.
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No idea, never saw the reports or care to.
What are you saying? It was some government plot and the buildings didn't catch fire and burn down after being hit by large passenger jets traveling at 700kph? |
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"So are all the engineers that gave their expert opinion it wrong then?
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Mr69: No. Some of them are. Others drew conclusions from what facts they had & some people always believe there is a conspiracy. A1 jet fuel(according to Google) burns at between 1050°c & 2200°c. Steel softens at around 500°c and it's melting point is around 1400°c. |
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I cared for a while but then america reacted and i stopped caring.
They set up detention centers, brutalised human rights, videos online of them hitting trains with missiles full of civilians, blowing up hospitals to people who had nothing to do with 9/11 or did anything wrong on america at all.
Could you imagine the UK responding like that in the 80's, a bomb goes off in london and jets bomb hospitals and trains in Dublin. Its fucking barbaric. |
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Well if 3000 people were killed in one hit in the UK maybe they would but I don't think they would bomb the wrong country. At least they would get that part right I guess, but hey Blair lied to invade Iraq too, so they are just as bad as each other. |
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"Go and research it all and listen to the experts conclusion on the lot. Then make up ur own mind. And not what the American government tells everybody.
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"I cared for a while but then america reacted and i stopped caring.
They set up detention centers, brutalised human rights, videos online of them hitting trains with missiles full of civilians, blowing up hospitals to people who had nothing to do with 9/11 or did anything wrong on america at all.
Could you imagine the UK responding like that in the 80's, a bomb goes off in london and jets bomb hospitals and trains in Dublin. Its fucking barbaric."
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"Go and research it all and listen to the experts conclusion on the lot. Then make up ur own mind. And not what the American government tells everybody.
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The US gov doesn't have to tell anyone anything. Everyone saw it. Simple. It was broadcast on live TV as it happened. I even saw the second plane coming in the background before it hit. What's to try and figure out? |
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Not going to win an argument with people who are consumed with conspiracy theories and believe in ghosts and the tooth fairy. Humans have always chosen not to believe what their eyes and ears tell them. And the reference to "god" at the end of so many posts tells it all. Only saying. |
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"I cared for a while but then america reacted and i stopped caring.
They set up detention centers, brutalised human rights, videos online of them hitting trains with missiles full of civilians, blowing up hospitals to people who had nothing to do with 9/11 or did anything wrong on america at all.
Could you imagine the UK responding like that in the 80's, a bomb goes off in london and jets bomb hospitals and trains in Dublin. Its fucking barbaric.
No they never did anything barbaric, nothing wrong with shooting unarmed protestors or going in shooting up a pub full of Catholics "
What the fuck are you talking about? Did I say they did nothing barbaric?
Go use google, they never bombed Dublin with a fighter jet because of something the IRA did. |
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"I cared for a while but then america reacted and i stopped caring.
They set up detention centers, brutalised human rights, videos online of them hitting trains with missiles full of civilians, blowing up hospitals to people who had nothing to do with 9/11 or did anything wrong on america at all.
Could you imagine the UK responding like that in the 80's, a bomb goes off in london and jets bomb hospitals and trains in Dublin. Its fucking barbaric.
No they never did anything barbaric, nothing wrong with shooting unarmed protestors or going in shooting up a pub full of Catholics "
If you live in a glass house Lim, don't throw stones. |
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Haha maybe we should chat.
Look it's just my opinion. I like to keep an open mind on stuff like that. With everything they do its very hard to believe what they say.
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"I cared for a while but then america reacted and i stopped caring.
They set up detention centers, brutalised human rights, videos online of them hitting trains with missiles full of civilians, blowing up hospitals to people who had nothing to do with 9/11 or did anything wrong on america at all.
Could you imagine the UK responding like that in the 80's, a bomb goes off in london and jets bomb hospitals and trains in Dublin. Its fucking barbaric.
No they never did anything barbaric, nothing wrong with shooting unarmed protestors or going in shooting up a pub full of Catholics
If you live in a glass house Lim, don't throw stones. "
My house is made of bricks and mortar  I was just pointing out that the British army killed countless civilians up the north |
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"Haha maybe we should chat.
Look it's just my opinion. I like to keep an open mind on stuff like that. With everything they do its very hard to believe what they say.
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Sure the gov is always up to something shifty. To be a politician is to be a professorial liar. No one trusts them. |
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"I cared for a while but then america reacted and i stopped caring.
They set up detention centers, brutalised human rights, videos online of them hitting trains with missiles full of civilians, blowing up hospitals to people who had nothing to do with 9/11 or did anything wrong on america at all.
Could you imagine the UK responding like that in the 80's, a bomb goes off in london and jets bomb hospitals and trains in Dublin. Its fucking barbaric.
No they never did anything barbaric, nothing wrong with shooting unarmed protestors or going in shooting up a pub full of Catholics
If you live in a glass house Lim, don't throw stones.
My house is made of bricks and mortar I was just pointing out that the British army killed countless civilians up the north"
Yeah, you could easily count them, And there was absolutely no reason for any of the deaths was there? I mean, it's known as a world centre for peace & understanding.
A quick search tells me approx 187 civilians were killed by British Security forces between '69 & '01 whereas republican terrorists murdered 723 civilians(+187 of their own). |
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"I cared for a while but then america reacted and i stopped caring.
They set up detention centers, brutalised human rights, videos online of them hitting trains with missiles full of civilians, blowing up hospitals to people who had nothing to do with 9/11 or did anything wrong on america at all.
Could you imagine the UK responding like that in the 80's, a bomb goes off in london and jets bomb hospitals and trains in Dublin. Its fucking barbaric.
No they never did anything barbaric, nothing wrong with shooting unarmed protestors or going in shooting up a pub full of Catholics
If you live in a glass house Lim, don't throw stones.
My house is made of bricks and mortar I was just pointing out that the British army killed countless civilians up the north
Yeah, you could easily count them, And there was absolutely no reason for any of the deaths was there? I mean, it's known as a world centre for peace & understanding.
A quick search tells me approx 187 civilians were killed by British Security forces between '69 & '01 whereas republican terrorists murdered 723 civilians(+187 of their own)."
I realise it sounds like I'm saying the IRA was justified, no they stopped fighting for Ireland years ago and I don't condone their actions but I don't condone what the British did either |
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"I cared for a while but then america reacted and i stopped caring.
They set up detention centers, brutalised human rights, videos online of them hitting trains with missiles full of civilians, blowing up hospitals to people who had nothing to do with 9/11 or did anything wrong on america at all.
Could you imagine the UK responding like that in the 80's, a bomb goes off in london and jets bomb hospitals and trains in Dublin. Its fucking barbaric.
No they never did anything barbaric, nothing wrong with shooting unarmed protestors or going in shooting up a pub full of Catholics
If you live in a glass house Lim, don't throw stones.
My house is made of bricks and mortar I was just pointing out that the British army killed countless civilians up the north
Yeah, you could easily count them, And there was absolutely no reason for any of the deaths was there? I mean, it's known as a world centre for peace & understanding.
A quick search tells me approx 187 civilians were killed by British Security forces between '69 & '01 whereas republican terrorists murdered 723 civilians(+187 of their own)."
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" do your research again,
Instead of trying to stoke, why not try being helpful? Any suggestions on where I should look?"
stoke?? how is it helpful putting out stats (untrue in my opion) bout a time that caused more misery to people in this island, this is not the place for this discussion, sorry, |
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" do your research again,
Instead of trying to stoke, why not try being helpful? Any suggestions on where I should look?stoke?? how is it helpful putting out stats (untrue in my opion) bout a time that caused more misery to people in this island, this is not the place for this discussion, sorry,"
Your opinion. Say no more. |
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Research Ian r crane, rich planet .com , check the evidence .com, dr judy woods book where did the towers go ?and then come back to me 9/11 towers knocked by super weapons end of NWO in full motion |
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"Research Ian r crane, rich planet .com , check the evidence .com, dr judy woods book where did the towers go ?and then come back to me 9/11 towers knocked by super weapons end of NWO in full motion"
Nah it was aliens who were funded by the cia, so America could invade the middle east for the giant power gem |
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" whereas republican terrorists murdered 723 civilians(+187 of their own).
Are you saying the IRA are responsible for the 187 civilians killed by the british candy?"
No Hal, the report I was reading from suggested that approx. 723 civilians were killed by republican terrorists and the same terrorists killed approx. 187 of their own helpers who are not civilians. I had to read it twice! It's just a coincidental number. |
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"Research Ian r crane, rich planet .com , check the evidence .com, dr judy woods book where did the towers go ?and then come back to me 9/11 towers knocked by super weapons end of NWO in full motion
Nah it was aliens who were funded by the cia, so America could invade the middle east for the giant power gem "
We saw them practicing in Independence Day. |
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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I cared for a while but then america reacted and i stopped caring.
They set up detention centers, brutalised human rights, videos online of them hitting trains with missiles full of civilians, blowing up hospitals to people who had nothing to do with 9/11 or did anything wrong on america at all.
Could you imagine the UK responding like that in the 80's, a bomb goes off in london and jets bomb hospitals and trains in Dublin. Its fucking barbaric.
No they never did anything barbaric, nothing wrong with shooting unarmed protestors or going in shooting up a pub full of Catholics
If you live in a glass house Lim, don't throw stones.
My house is made of bricks and mortar I was just pointing out that the British army killed countless civilians up the north
Yeah, you could easily count them, And there was absolutely no reason for any of the deaths was there? I mean, it's known as a world centre for peace & understanding.
A quick search tells me approx 187 civilians were killed by British Security forces between '69 & '01 whereas republican terrorists murdered 723 civilians(+187 of their own).
I realise it sounds like I'm saying the IRA was justified, no they stopped fighting for Ireland years ago and I don't condone their actions but I don't condone what the British did either"
The terrorists haven't stopped. If I change my name it wont what I do |
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Up in the border area we like to refer to the knowledgable souls who know so much about the goings on in Northern Ireland as bar stool Provos.
For the people who live up here and are old enough to remember it you don't remember statistics. You remember things like an 18 year old British soldier screaming for his mother after a bomb blows up his barracks and blew his legs off, you remember the funeral of a young catholic man walking home after a football match by soldiers.
There was no innocent parties in what went on up here. |
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All in all both sides were an absolute disgrace doing appalling things one side claiming to be acting in the name of freedom, the others were so called peacekeepers. None of it should have ever happened but it's all because years and years ago in came the English monarchies appointed personnel, kicked the Irish off his lands and claimed it in the name of some foreign king or queen, it's something that should have never happened and that feeling of being hard done trickled down through the years, finally the fighting led to us getting our freedom but six counties remained and the republicans still had the same feeling of being hard done by because they hadn't the freedom they felt they deserved. Now it was only a small majority that went out and blew up cars but every Catholic was discriminated against.
You couldn't get a job just cause you were the wrong religion or born on the wrong side of the city. It must have been horrible and you can see why things got so tense up there.
It's something we should never forget as it serves as a reminder, to show us how bad things can get and how the carry on in the middle east isn't that alien to us but it'll never really stop, even if Ireland was whole you'd have the otherside kicking off.
But we got as close to an apology from the queen as we ever will and I think things are improving up there. Maybe if northern Ireland became a separate state altogether and part of neither great Britain nor the republic people would be happy.
Who knows but it's a sad part of our history
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We will never get Northern Ireland back under Irish reign, the truth is a lot of people living in Northern Ireland don't want to go back to Irish reign.....  |
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My point stands.
During the current modern era British soldiers did not attack, bomb, or destroy any Irish city in response to an IRA bomb.
America pretty much destroyed 2 countries.
America has changed, there was a time when they would have taken 9/11 on the chin, the sinking of the lusitania shows that. Now their army is cruel, and barbaric. Their army does not represent what americans believe are core american beliefs. |
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"My point stands.
During the current modern era British soldiers did not attack, bomb, or destroy any Irish city in response to an IRA bomb.
America pretty much destroyed 2 countries.
America has changed, there was a time when they would have taken 9/11 on the chin, the sinking of the lusitania shows that. Now their army is cruel, and barbaric. Their army does not represent what americans believe are core american beliefs."
Take 9/11 on the chin? No country in the world would just take an atrocity like that on the chin |
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"All in all both sides were an absolute disgrace doing appalling things one side claiming to be acting in the name of freedom, the others were so called peacekeepers. None of it should have ever happened but it's all because years and years ago in came the English monarchies appointed personnel, kicked the Irish off his lands and claimed it in the name of some foreign king or queen, it's something that should have never happened and that feeling of being hard done trickled down through the years, finally the fighting led to us getting our freedom but six counties remained and the republicans still had the same feeling of being hard done by because they hadn't the freedom they felt they deserved. Now it was only a small majority that went out and blew up cars but every Catholic was discriminated against.
You couldn't get a job just cause you were the wrong religion or born on the wrong side of the city. It must have been horrible and you can see why things got so tense up there.
It's something we should never forget as it serves as a reminder, to show us how bad things can get and how the carry on in the middle east isn't that alien to us but it'll never really stop, even if Ireland was whole you'd have the otherside kicking off.
But we got as close to an apology from the queen as we ever will and I think things are improving up there. Maybe if northern Ireland became a separate state altogether and part of neither great Britain nor the republic people would be happy.
Who knows but it's a sad part of our history
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Some of what you say is the truth. Much of what you said is not the whole truth eg difficulties getting jobs. Why do you think that has stopped? Now it's Protestants that are discriminated against in the PSNI.
The Sunday Times has an article about protestants being discriminated against in Irelands schools. It's funny how some consider they're the only ones ever discriminated against |
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"All in all both sides were an absolute disgrace doing appalling things one side claiming to be acting in the name of freedom, the others were so called peacekeepers. None of it should have ever happened but it's all because years and years ago in came the English monarchies appointed personnel, kicked the Irish off his lands and claimed it in the name of some foreign king or queen, it's something that should have never happened and that feeling of being hard done trickled down through the years, finally the fighting led to us getting our freedom but six counties remained and the republicans still had the same feeling of being hard done by because they hadn't the freedom they felt they deserved. Now it was only a small majority that went out and blew up cars but every Catholic was discriminated against.
You couldn't get a job just cause you were the wrong religion or born on the wrong side of the city. It must have been horrible and you can see why things got so tense up there.
It's something we should never forget as it serves as a reminder, to show us how bad things can get and how the carry on in the middle east isn't that alien to us but it'll never really stop, even if Ireland was whole you'd have the otherside kicking off.
But we got as close to an apology from the queen as we ever will and I think things are improving up there. Maybe if northern Ireland became a separate state altogether and part of neither great Britain nor the republic people would be happy.
Who knows but it's a sad part of our history
Some of what you say is the truth. Much of what you said is not the whole truth eg difficulties getting jobs. Why do you think that has stopped? Now it's Protestants that are discriminated against in the PSNI.
The Sunday Times has an article about protestants being discriminated against in Irelands schools. It's funny how some consider they're the only ones ever discriminated against"
I'm only going on back then, do you assume I'm Catholic? Just from that last comment I think you do |
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"Up in the border area we like to refer to the knowledgable souls who know so much about the goings on in Northern Ireland as bar stool Provos.
For the people who live up here and are old enough to remember it you don't remember statistics. You remember things like an 18 year old British soldier screaming for his mother after a bomb blows up his barracks and blew his legs off, you remember the funeral of a young catholic man walking home after a football match by soldiers.
There was no innocent parties in what went on up here. "
Laelaps - very eloquently put.
Lim, you're a good guy but, with respect, you're too young and too far removed from the troubles we live(d) through for you to feel able to voice your opinions so easily on subjects such as this.
Most of us who did endure it choose to keep our thoughts to ourselves mostly in respect to those who died or were maimed needlessly.
Some wounds are too raw to be dissected at this time - Lae put it so well - statistics don't even begin to tell the story of this place. Fab is not the place in my opinion. Politics.ie is an excellent resource should you wish to debate this subject.
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"Up in the border area we like to refer to the knowledgable souls who know so much about the goings on in Northern Ireland as bar stool Provos.
For the people who live up here and are old enough to remember it you don't remember statistics. You remember things like an 18 year old British soldier screaming for his mother after a bomb blows up his barracks and blew his legs off, you remember the funeral of a young catholic man walking home after a football match by soldiers.
There was no innocent parties in what went on up here.
Laelaps - very eloquently put.
Lim, you're a good guy but, with respect, you're too young and too far removed from the troubles we live(d) through for you to feel able to voice your opinions so easily on subjects such as this.
Most of us who did endure it choose to keep our thoughts to ourselves mostly in respect to those who died or were maimed needlessly.
Some wounds are too raw to be dissected at this time - Lae put it so well - statistics don't even begin to tell the story of this place. Fab is not the place in my opinion. Politics.ie is an excellent resource should you wish to debate this subject.
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I'm not that far removed, I had family involved in and affected.by it but I do see where you are coming from.
Yes this is absolutely not the place to debate though |
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Most of us who did endure it choose to keep our thoughts to ourselves mostly in respect to those who died or were maimed needlessly.
Some wounds are too raw to be dissected at this time - Lae put it so well - statistics don't even begin to tell the story of this place. Fab is not the place in my opinion. Politics.ie is an excellent resource should you wish to debate this subject.
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I understand your view but I fundamentally disagree. Sadly I am old enough to have an active memory of the "troubles" and was (and am,) touched by many of their events and effects. I think we do our descendants a disservice by treating the "troubles" as over. Many of the faces have changed and the intensity is lessened but violence continues and rather obviously the problems continue. Papering the cracks by not acknowledging issues is not going to help. I think fab is just as relevant a place to discuss the issues. Politically many of us differ but, here at least, most of us share interests as well! |
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Interesting. I was watching it on spiketv last night about it and before the towers exploded, the fire men on the ground heard explosions moments before the towers went down and as well a specialist said that the steel that supports the tower in the middle is so strong it will take hours before it is melting, so how could it take 10 minutes? |
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Did all the hundreds of people all around them hear it too or just one fireman?
10 minutes? One building was burning for 90 minutes & the other nearly an hour. |
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"Interesting. I was watching it on spiketv last night about it and before the towers exploded, the fire men on the ground heard explosions moments before the towers went down and as well a specialist said that the steel that supports the tower in the middle is so strong it will take hours before it is melting, so how could it take 10 minutes? "
Correct they said that but in the same interview they said it's theory, they can't actually test that steel against the impact of a plane or the intensity of burning jet fuel and whole building floors toppling down, it's all only objective opinion certainly not fact.
Only fact is that two planes caused it, why people look for more is quite sad. If bombs there then why use the planes! conspiracy theorists tend to be loners, unemployed n geeks with far too much time on their hands. |
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"Did all the hundreds of people all around them hear it too or just one fireman?
10 minutes? One building was burning for 90 minutes & the other nearly an hour."
Yes it was 90min or so, they as well mention aluminium, yeah all very strange x. |
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"Did all the hundreds of people all around them hear it too or just one fireman?
10 minutes? One building was burning for 90 minutes & the other nearly an hour.Yes it was 90min or so, they as well mention aluminium, yeah all very strange x."
These were the largest structures in the world pumped full of tens of thousands of gallons of highlt flammable liquid whilst ablaze!
Exactly how were they meant to fall and what previous similar event can it be compared to?
It's slightly more comforting for some to think it was an inside job rather than the reality of the "greatest" nation in the world being brought to its knees by a group of mad men from the desert!!!
Arrogance and laziness has alot to answer for those tragic events. |
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