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over a year ago
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"For the summer I'll open a thread to have discussions all GAA! Let the banter commence! "
I'll start!I think the football championship needs a serious overhaul
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"For the summer I'll open a thread to have discussions all GAA! Let the banter commence! I'll start!I think the football championship needs a serious overhaul "
I don't think anyone will disagree with that. |
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over a year ago
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"For the summer I'll open a thread to have discussions all GAA! Let the banter commence! I'll start!I think the football championship needs a serious overhaul "
on what basis?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Actually, I think football should mirror hurling, fuck a load of the 'weaker' teams into a B championship.
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The downside to this, they will never get better by competing against the better teams. But does Longford gain anything by losing to Dublin by 20 points year on year anyway? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"For the summer I'll open a thread to have discussions all GAA! Let the banter commence! I'll start!I think the football championship needs a serious overhaul on what basis?"
2 separate championships an a and b
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"For the summer I'll open a thread to have discussions all GAA! Let the banter commence! I'll start!I think the football championship needs a serious overhaul
I don't think anyone will disagree with that. "
I'll seconded that the division one team's are streets about the rest and the football season won't be kicking off rightly tilt the august bank holiday weekend tilt all the big boys get to croker |
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"Based on results to date:
Leitrim
NY
Carlow
Offaly
Longford
Waterford
Clare
Antrim
Seeya later lads best of luck in the B Championship. "
Poor Leitrim 
They can't compete though. There's too much sly professionalism in my opinion, and it's leading to a huge number of joint injuries as well as unbalancing the championship. I don't know how you can make the weaker counties more competitive either, and the list above could easily be doubled in size. |
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"Based on results to date:
Leitrim
NY
Carlow
Offaly
Longford
Waterford
Clare
Antrim
Seeya later lads best of luck in the B Championship.
Poor Leitrim
They can't compete though. There's too much sly professionalism in my opinion, and it's leading to a huge number of joint injuries as well as unbalancing the championship. I don't know how you can make the weaker counties more competitive either, and the list above could easily be doubled in size. "
the only way I can think of making the weaker teams stronger is to have a transfer system like in soccer...There is lots of very good players that don't get a chance to play at the top level because their from the stronger counties and just can't get in their county team. I am sure some of them guys would love the chance to play county football or hurling |
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"For the summer I'll open a thread to have discussions all GAA! Let the banter commence! I'll start!I think the football championship needs a serious overhaul on what basis?"
Based on the fact that if Donegal beat Derry that are at the same stage of the championship as Cork and Kerry following their marauding Munster campaigns. |
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"Based on results to date:
Leitrim
NY
Carlow
Offaly
Longford
Waterford
Clare
Antrim
Seeya later lads best of luck in the B Championship.
Poor Leitrim
They can't compete though. There's too much sly professionalism in my opinion, and it's leading to a huge number of joint injuries as well as unbalancing the championship. I don't know how you can make the weaker counties more competitive either, and the list above could easily be doubled in size.
the only way I can think of making the weaker teams stronger is to have a transfer system like in soccer...There is lots of very good players that don't get a chance to play at the top level because their from the stronger counties and just can't get in their county team. I am sure some of them guys would love the chance to play county football or hurling"
They can play for some of the weaker counties under the parentage rule. Leitrim had three or four players like that back in the nineties. The other problem, which is part of the strength of the GAA, is the fierce county loyalty that exists. Nobody really wants to see outsiders playing for their county. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Men's Gaa should follow the the example of the Ladies Gaa
3 tiers
Senior championship
Intermediate Championship
Junior Championship
Its a fair way of doing it and gives some counties a hope of silverware come september...  |
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"Men's Gaa should follow the the example of the Ladies Gaa
3 tiers
Senior championship
Intermediate Championship
Junior Championship
Its a fair way of doing it and gives some counties a hope of silverware come september... "
There's already a junior championship. Nobody really cares about it though, apart from the teams who are going well in it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Men's Gaa should follow the the example of the Ladies Gaa
3 tiers
Senior championship
Intermediate Championship
Junior Championship
Its a fair way of doing it and gives some counties a hope of silverware come september...
There's already a junior championship. Nobody really cares about it though, apart from the teams who are going well in it. "
I know there is, but not every county has a team in it.. |
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"Based on results to date:
Leitrim
NY
Carlow
Offaly
Longford
Waterford
Clare
Antrim
Seeya later lads best of luck in the B Championship.
Poor Leitrim
They can't compete though. There's too much sly professionalism in my opinion, and it's leading to a huge number of joint injuries as well as unbalancing the championship. I don't know how you can make the weaker counties more competitive either, and the list above could easily be doubled in size.
the only way I can think of making the weaker teams stronger is to have a transfer system like in soccer...There is lots of very good players that don't get a chance to play at the top level because their from the stronger counties and just can't get in their county team. I am sure some of them guys would love the chance to play county football or hurling
They can play for some of the weaker counties under the parentage rule. Leitrim had three or four players like that back in the nineties. The other problem, which is part of the strength of the GAA, is the fierce county loyalty that exists. Nobody really wants to see outsiders playing for their county. "
your right about the loyalty thing....even within a county most people only play for there local club.... with their "up the parish" attatude...which is a great way for people in communities to bond |
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"Men's Gaa should follow the the example of the Ladies Gaa
3 tiers
Senior championship
Intermediate Championship
Junior Championship
Its a fair way of doing it and gives some counties a hope of silverware come september...
There's already a junior championship. Nobody really cares about it though, apart from the teams who are going well in it.
I know there is, but not every county has a team in it.."
Nobody wants to be downgraded to it. Do away with the qualifiers as they are now and make the championship a knockout competition again. Them were the days! |
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By *ark the manMan
over a year ago
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Drop the see the stars of tomorrow league crap. Make it 6 x 6 groups with seeded top 2 teams. The top 2 from each go into knockout stages to the final. Weaker teams get more chances and the Dubs have to travel. Then watch the boys in corker cry ! |
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"Drop the see the stars of tomorrow league crap. Make it 6 x 6 groups with seeded top 2 teams. The top 2 from each go into knockout stages to the final. Weaker teams get more chances and the Dubs have to travel. Then watch the boys in corker cry ! "
...also watch the ordinary fans cry when they see the increase in ticket prices for the final since the stadium is no longer being paid for by the Dubs fans. The Leinster council decides where the Leinster championship games are played. There are two delegates from each county there so it's quite obvious that the majority of the Leinster council want maximum attendance at the games, hence the Dubs playing in Croke Park. |
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"Drop the see the stars of tomorrow league crap. Make it 6 x 6 groups with seeded top 2 teams. The top 2 from each go into knockout stages to the final. Weaker teams get more chances and the Dubs have to travel. Then watch the boys in corker cry ! "
Are we going to invade somewhere?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"On their day Donegal is the best team in Ireland! "
On their day ?? By far the best team in the country any day, prob one of the most under funded counties at that too some difference between Mac Cumhaill Park and Croke Park lol |
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By *j47Man
over a year ago
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"Drop the see the stars of tomorrow league crap. Make it 6 x 6 groups with seeded top 2 teams. The top 2 from each go into knockout stages to the final. Weaker teams get more chances and the Dubs have to travel. Then watch the boys in corker cry !
Are we going to invade somewhere? "
Will ye find her way outside of new lands cross  |
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"Drop the see the stars of tomorrow league crap. Make it 6 x 6 groups with seeded top 2 teams. The top 2 from each go into knockout stages to the final. Weaker teams get more chances and the Dubs have to travel. Then watch the boys in corker cry !
Are we going to invade somewhere?
Will ye find her way outside of new lands cross "
We'll need to pick up a few counties somewhere as six divisions with six teams is more than we have at the moment! |
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"On their day Donegal is the best team in Ireland!
On their day ?? By far the best team in the country any day, prob one of the most under funded counties at that too some difference between Mac Cumhaill Park and Croke Park lol"
Best team in the country any day? Er, hello, I don't think so, then again it depends on how you measure success I suppose. |
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By *aid backMan
over a year ago
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"Drop the see the stars of tomorrow league crap. Make it 6 x 6 groups with seeded top 2 teams. The top 2 from each go into knockout stages to the final. Weaker teams get more chances and the Dubs have to travel. Then watch the boys in corker cry !
Are we going to invade somewhere?
Will ye find her way outside of new lands cross
We'll need to pick up a few counties somewhere as six divisions with six teams is more than we have at the moment! "
im sure we can get a county going in oz and Canada like new york and london |
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"Drop the see the stars of tomorrow league crap. Make it 6 x 6 groups with seeded top 2 teams. The top 2 from each go into knockout stages to the final. Weaker teams get more chances and the Dubs have to travel. Then watch the boys in corker cry !
Are we going to invade somewhere?
Will ye find her way outside of new lands cross
We'll need to pick up a few counties somewhere as six divisions with six teams is more than we have at the moment!
im sure we can get a county going in oz and Canada like new york and london"
We'll still be short! |
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By *aid backMan
over a year ago
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"Drop the see the stars of tomorrow league crap. Make it 6 x 6 groups with seeded top 2 teams. The top 2 from each go into knockout stages to the final. Weaker teams get more chances and the Dubs have to travel. Then watch the boys in corker cry !
Are we going to invade somewhere?
Will ye find her way outside of new lands cross
We'll need to pick up a few counties somewhere as six divisions with six teams is more than we have at the moment!
im sure we can get a county going in oz and Canada like new york and london
We'll still be short! "
oh I forgot about the counties that dont play both codes. thats easy make every county play both codes that makes 36 counties |
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"Drop the see the stars of tomorrow league crap. Make it 6 x 6 groups with seeded top 2 teams. The top 2 from each go into knockout stages to the final. Weaker teams get more chances and the Dubs have to travel. Then watch the boys in corker cry !
Are we going to invade somewhere?
Will ye find her way outside of new lands cross
We'll need to pick up a few counties somewhere as six divisions with six teams is more than we have at the moment!
im sure we can get a county going in oz and Canada like new york and london
We'll still be short!
oh I forgot about the counties that dont play both codes. thats easy make every county play both codes that makes 36 counties "
the last time I checked - there were 32 counties on the island of Ireland. Plus London and New York makes 34 at max. Have you been drinking laid? |
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"Drop the see the stars of tomorrow league crap. Make it 6 x 6 groups with seeded top 2 teams. The top 2 from each go into knockout stages to the final. Weaker teams get more chances and the Dubs have to travel. Then watch the boys in corker cry !
Are we going to invade somewhere?
Will ye find her way outside of new lands cross
We'll need to pick up a few counties somewhere as six divisions with six teams is more than we have at the moment!
im sure we can get a county going in oz and Canada like new york and london
We'll still be short!
oh I forgot about the counties that dont play both codes. thats easy make every county play both codes that makes 36 counties the last time I checked - there were 32 counties on the island of Ireland. Plus London and New York makes 34 at max. Have you been drinking laid?"
he was talking about adding in Canada and Australia as well. ...try keep up bambi  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Drop
he was talking about adding in Canada and Australia as well. ...try keep up bambi "
well this is awkward adding Australia is just a terrible idea. Considering how far away it is... but that's just me  |
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"Drop
he was talking about adding in Canada and Australia as well. ...try keep up bambi well this is awkward adding Australia is just a terrible idea. Considering how far away it is... but that's just me "
Asia might step in if the aussies aren't interested? Leitrim might beat someone again. |
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By *j47Man
over a year ago
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"Drop
he was talking about adding in Canada and Australia as well. ...try keep up bambi well this is awkward adding Australia is just a terrible idea. Considering how far away it is... but that's just me
Asia might step in if the aussies aren't interested? Leitrim might beat someone again. "
Still a big ask Mick then Asians are handy with their balls |
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By *ark the manMan
over a year ago
dublin. meath louth areas |
Fair cop lads I don't know what I was smoking earlier but it worked!
Anyway 8 be 4 with one from each group going through would work.
I must have been dreaming of the Gaa World series .
Anyways it's back to my job in the banks counting the cash........... |
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"Fair cop lads I don't know what I was smoking earlier but it worked!
Anyway 8 be 4 with one from each group going through would work.
I must have been dreaming of the Gaa World series .
Anyways it's back to my job in the banks counting the cash..........."
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"On their day Donegal is the best team in Ireland!
On their day ?? By far the best team in the country any day, prob one of the most under funded counties at that too some difference between Mac Cumhaill Park and Croke Park lol"
was thinking that but didn't want to sound too big headed... Lol |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"What about d women's camogi? Some great games last year
when are they going to start swapping jerseys at the end of the game.... quarrrrrr "
i wouldn't mind seen a few take their tops off, aisling Thompson of cork been one |
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"On their day Donegal is the best team in Ireland!
Sure you can say that about dublin kerry mayo and maybe cork "
You can certainly say it about Kerry. After that it's hard to know, but definitely not Mayo anyway. Promised so much but delivered so little apart from nice football to watch. You could add Tyrone and Meath to the list if multiple All Ireland wins is the thing? Mind you, Wexford were the first team to win three in a row and where are they now. |
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"On their day Donegal is the best team in Ireland!
Sure you can say that about dublin kerry mayo and maybe cork
You can certainly say it about Kerry. After that it's hard to know, but definitely not Mayo anyway. Promised so much but delivered so little apart from nice football to watch. You could add Tyrone and Meath to the list if multiple All Ireland wins is the thing? Mind you, Wexford were the first team to win three in a row and where are they now. "
The sentence is contradictory at best anyway. If a team has one amazing day, they could overturn a team and be "the best team in the country"  if Tipp could have maintained their start against Kerry - 4 points up within 5 mins - they could have been labelled the best team in the country, on that day  |
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Jimmy McGuinness has laid out the blueprint for the future of inter-county football...croke park and congress needs the balls to go and implement it..an A championship based on league performance and provincial champions and B championship picks up the rest but with both finals getting equal billing in September |
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"On their day Donegal is the best team in Ireland!
Sure you can say that about dublin kerry mayo and maybe cork
You can certainly say it about Kerry. After that it's hard to know, but definitely not Mayo anyway. Promised so much but delivered so little apart from nice football to watch. You could add Tyrone and Meath to the list if multiple All Ireland wins is the thing? Mind you, Wexford were the first team to win three in a row and where are they now. The sentence is contradictory at best anyway. If a team has one amazing day, they could overturn a team and be "the best team in the country" if Tipp could have maintained their start against Kerry - 4 points up within 5 mins - they could have been labelled the best team in the country, on that day "
I couldn't agree with that. Winning one game wouldn't make anyone the best team in the country in my estimation. Some consistency is required for that. |
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"Jimmy McGuinness has laid out the blueprint for the future of inter-county football...croke park and congress needs the balls to go and implement it..an A championship based on league performance and provincial champions and B championship picks up the rest but with both finals getting equal billing in September"
i saw his plan I thought it was excellent
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"On their day Donegal is the best team in Ireland!
Sure you can say that about dublin kerry mayo and maybe cork
You can certainly say it about Kerry. After that it's hard to know, but definitely not Mayo anyway. Promised so much but delivered so little apart from nice football to watch. You could add Tyrone and Meath to the list if multiple All Ireland wins is the thing? Mind you, Wexford were the first team to win three in a row and where are they now. The sentence is contradictory at best anyway. If a team has one amazing day, they could overturn a team and be "the best team in the country" if Tipp could have maintained their start against Kerry - 4 points up within 5 mins - they could have been labelled the best team in the country, on that day
I couldn't agree with that. Winning one game wouldn't make anyone the best team in the country in my estimation. Some consistency is required for that. "
ok I'll rephrase it.... This year and the past 4 years Donegal is the best team in Ireland! |
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"On their day Donegal is the best team in Ireland!
Sure you can say that about dublin kerry mayo and maybe cork
You can certainly say it about Kerry. After that it's hard to know, but definitely not Mayo anyway. Promised so much but delivered so little apart from nice football to watch. You could add Tyrone and Meath to the list if multiple All Ireland wins is the thing? Mind you, Wexford were the first team to win three in a row and where are they now. The sentence is contradictory at best anyway. If a team has one amazing day, they could overturn a team and be "the best team in the country" if Tipp could have maintained their start against Kerry - 4 points up within 5 mins - they could have been labelled the best team in the country, on that day
I couldn't agree with that. Winning one game wouldn't make anyone the best team in the country in my estimation. Some consistency is required for that. ok I'll rephrase it.... This year and the past 4 years Donegal is the best team in Ireland! "
And you only win the all ireland once invites time frame, come on mayo hanmered ye by nearly twenty points in 2013, deluded |
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"On their day Donegal is the best team in Ireland!
Sure you can say that about dublin kerry mayo and maybe cork
You can certainly say it about Kerry. After that it's hard to know, but definitely not Mayo anyway. Promised so much but delivered so little apart from nice football to watch. You could add Tyrone and Meath to the list if multiple All Ireland wins is the thing? Mind you, Wexford were the first team to win three in a row and where are they now. The sentence is contradictory at best anyway. If a team has one amazing day, they could overturn a team and be "the best team in the country" if Tipp could have maintained their start against Kerry - 4 points up within 5 mins - they could have been labelled the best team in the country, on that day
I couldn't agree with that. Winning one game wouldn't make anyone the best team in the country in my estimation. Some consistency is required for that. ok I'll rephrase it.... This year and the past 4 years Donegal is
the best team in Ireland! "
Remind me again what Donegal won last year? Donegal have won one all Ireland title in the last four years having played in two, Kerry also have one and Dublin have two. I also suspect that if you ask the neutrals which team they'd prefer to watch playing that Donegal might not be top of the last |
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"On their day Donegal is the best team in Ireland!
Sure you can say that about dublin kerry mayo and maybe cork
You can certainly say it about Kerry. After that it's hard to know, but definitely not Mayo anyway. Promised so much but delivered so little apart from nice football to watch. You could add Tyrone and Meath to the list if multiple All Ireland wins is the thing? Mind you, Wexford were the first team to win three in a row and where are they now. The sentence is contradictory at best anyway. If a team has one amazing day, they could overturn a team and be "the best team in the country" if Tipp could have maintained their start against Kerry - 4 points up within 5 mins - they could have been labelled the best team in the country, on that day
I couldn't agree with that. Winning one game wouldn't make anyone the best team in the country in my estimation. Some consistency is required for that. ok I'll rephrase it.... This year and the past 4 years Donegal is the best team in Ireland! "
Your wrong ... |
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"am i the only one who doesnt really give a fuck about the county? for me its all about the club - there will never be anything like pulling on that jersey and giving everything with your mates"
Agree completely...
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"am i the only one who doesnt really give a fuck about the county? for me its all about the club - there will never be anything like pulling on that jersey and giving everything with your mates
Agree completely...
Club before County.... "
I even get as much enjoyment coaching the kids now that I am an old bastard and fit for fuck all else, every win with the club is a great win |
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"On their day Donegal is the best team in Ireland!
Sure you can say that about dublin kerry mayo and maybe cork
You can certainly say it about Kerry. After that it's hard to know, but definitely not Mayo anyway. Promised so much but delivered so little apart from nice football to watch. You could add Tyrone and Meath to the list if multiple All Ireland wins is the thing? Mind you, Wexford were the first team to win three in a row and where are they now. The sentence is contradictory at best anyway. If a team has one amazing day, they could overturn a team and be "the best team in the country" if Tipp could have maintained their start against Kerry - 4 points up within 5 mins - they could have been labelled the best team in the country, on that day
I couldn't agree with that. Winning one game wouldn't make anyone the best team in the country in my estimation. Some consistency is required for that. ok I'll rephrase it.... This year and the past 4 years Donegal is the best team in Ireland!
Your wrong ... "
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"On their day Donegal is the best team in Ireland!
Sure you can say that about dublin kerry mayo and maybe cork
You can certainly say it about Kerry. After that it's hard to know, but definitely not Mayo anyway. Promised so much but delivered so little apart from nice football to watch. You could add Tyrone and Meath to the list if multiple All Ireland wins is the thing? Mind you, Wexford were the first team to win three in a row and where are they now. The sentence is contradictory at best anyway. If a team has one amazing day, they could overturn a team and be "the best team in the country" if Tipp could have maintained their start against Kerry - 4 points up within 5 mins - they could have been labelled the best team in the country, on that day
I couldn't agree with that. Winning one game wouldn't make anyone the best team in the country in my estimation. Some consistency is required for that. ok I'll rephrase it.... This year and the past 4 years Donegal is
the best team in Ireland!
Remind me again what Donegal won last year? Donegal have won one all Ireland title in the last four years having played in two, Kerry also have one and Dublin have two. I also suspect that if you ask the neutrals which team they'd prefer to watch playing that Donegal might not be top of the last "
as a neutral I will say Donegal actually are my favourite team to watch and In Michael Murphy they have the best footballer in Ireland |
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"On their day Donegal is the best team in Ireland!
Sure you can say that about dublin kerry mayo and maybe cork
You can certainly say it about Kerry. After that it's hard to know, but definitely not Mayo anyway. Promised so much but delivered so little apart from nice football to watch. You could add Tyrone and Meath to the list if multiple All Ireland wins is the thing? Mind you, Wexford were the first team to win three in a row and where are they now. The sentence is contradictory at best anyway. If a team has one amazing day, they could overturn a team and be "the best team in the country" if Tipp could have maintained their start against Kerry - 4 points up within 5 mins - they could have been labelled the best team in the country, on that day
I couldn't agree with that. Winning one game wouldn't make anyone the best team in the country in my estimation. Some consistency is required for that. "
I was speaking entirely o a daily basis. I meant "on their day" any team could be called the best team in the country based on one singular performance. The phrase was too vague and completely false. |
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Donegal have no answer once they go behind. They can't function when they throw off the blanket.
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I like watching free flowing football, leaving all allegiances aside - my favourite teams to watch are dublin, kerry, cork, kildare. Can't handle watching ulster championship games. |
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"Donegal have no answer once they go behind. They can't function when they throw off the blanket.
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I like watching free flowing football, leaving all allegiances aside - my favourite teams to watch are dublin, kerry, cork, kildare. Can't handle watching ulster championship games. "
did you watch Donegal last weekend? |
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"On their day Donegal is the best team in Ireland!
Sure you can say that about dublin kerry mayo and maybe cork
You can certainly say it about Kerry. After that it's hard to know, but definitely not Mayo anyway. Promised so much but delivered so little apart from nice football to watch. You could add Tyrone and Meath to the list if multiple All Ireland wins is the thing? Mind you, Wexford were the first team to win three in a row and where are they now. The sentence is contradictory at best anyway. If a team has one amazing day, they could overturn a team and be "the best team in the country" if Tipp could have maintained their start against Kerry - 4 points up within 5 mins - they could have been labelled the best team in the country, on that day
I couldn't agree with that. Winning one game wouldn't make anyone the best team in the country in my estimation. Some consistency is required for that. ok I'll rephrase it.... This year and the past 4 years Donegal is
the best team in Ireland!
Remind me again what Donegal won last year? Donegal have won one all Ireland title in the last four years having played in two, Kerry also have one and Dublin have two. I also suspect that if you ask the neutrals which team they'd prefer to watch playing that Donegal might not be top of the last as a neutral I will say Donegal actually are my favourite team to watch and In Michael Murphy they have the best footballer in Ireland"
Donegal have some great footballers such as Murphy, McBrearty and the McHughs for starters. It's their adherence to a defensive system through the McGuinness years that was often horrendous to watch. To be fair to McGuinness though, it's only about results but apart from a couple of games it was drab to watch. |
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"Donegal have no answer once they go behind. They can't function when they throw off the blanket.
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I like watching free flowing football, leaving all allegiances aside - my favourite teams to watch are dublin, kerry, cork, kildare. Can't handle watching ulster championship games.
did you watch Donegal last weekend?"
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"Donegal have no answer once they go behind. They can't function when they throw off the blanket.
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I like watching free flowing football, leaving all allegiances aside - my favourite teams to watch are dublin, kerry, cork, kildare. Can't handle watching ulster championship games.
did you watch Donegal last weekend?"
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Galway to beat Laois convincingly in the hurling anyway hard game to call between Limerick and tipp but I think tipp will win!
Naturally Kilkenny should beat Wexford and I can't see an upset!
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"am i the only one who doesnt really give a fuck about the county? for me its all about the club - there will never be anything like pulling on that jersey and giving everything with your mates
Agree completely...
Club before County.... "
. It's ur club that makes ya!! Have worn the county Jersey but always always adored wearing my club jersey. Playing with guys u grew up with. Am still good mates with guys I started playing with at 6 years of age , we came through the ranks together, u just can't beat that!!! |
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"am i the only one who doesnt really give a fuck about the county? for me its all about the club - there will never be anything like pulling on that jersey and giving everything with your mates
Agree completely...
Club before County.... . It's ur club that makes ya!! Have worn the county Jersey but always always adored wearing my club jersey. Playing with guys u grew up with. Am still good mates with guys I started playing with at 6 years of age , we came through the ranks together, u just can't beat that!!!"
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"On their day Donegal is the best team in Ireland!
On their day ?? By far the best team in the country any day, prob one of the most under funded counties at that too some difference between Mac Cumhaill Park and Croke Park lol
Best team in the country any day? Er, hello, I don't think so, then again it depends on how you measure success I suppose. "
Yea any day... Well how do you measure success ?In my opinion a county as underfunded, underdeveloped and sparsely populated as Donegal coming through the hardest provincial football in the country and beating teams like Kerry and Dublin that are leaps and bounds above money wise,facility wise population wise and winning Sam despite all of that staying Ulster champions year after year now that's success with a team off players all neatly under 25 if that's not success I don't know what is...Dublin for instance the amount of money pumped into it is unreal 6.5 million for a gaa pitch that's what Donegal get in the space of 10 years just goes to show money can't buy everything talent is talent and it's just natural |
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"On their day Donegal is the best team in Ireland!
On their day ?? By far the best team in the country any day, prob one of the most under funded counties at that too some difference between Mac Cumhaill Park and Croke Park lol
Best team in the country any day? Er, hello, I don't think so, then again it depends on how you measure success I suppose.
Yea any day... Well how do you measure success ?In my opinion a county as underfunded, underdeveloped and sparsely populated as Donegal coming through the hardest provincial football in the country and beating teams like Kerry and Dublin that are leaps and bounds above money wise,facility wise population wise and winning Sam despite all of that staying Ulster champions year after year now that's success with a team off players all neatly under 25 if that's not success I don't know what is...Dublin for instance the amount of money pumped into it is unreal 6.5 million for a gaa pitch that's what Donegal get in the space of 10 years just goes to show money can't buy everything talent is talent and it's just natural "
There's lots of counties would love the amount of success that Donegal have had indeed. That doesn't make them the best team in the country though. As for funding, having lots of money helps but it's no guarantee of anything. Cork county board traditionally had the biggest income of any county yet it's a while since they won anything. Dublin county board has a fantastic sponsorship deal indeed, but they have a lot of clubs to spend it on and the whole parish mentality that is the strength of rural counties is not there in the same way in Dublin. Anyway, if you're saying that Donegal are the best team in the country for the last four years, you'd want to be showing me more than one Sam Maguire. |
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"On their day Donegal is the best team in Ireland!
On their day ?? By far the best team in the country any day, prob one of the most under funded counties at that too some difference between Mac Cumhaill Park and Croke Park lol
Best team in the country any day? Er, hello, I don't think so, then again it depends on how you measure success I suppose.
Yea any day... Well how do you measure success ?In my opinion a county as underfunded, underdeveloped and sparsely populated as Donegal coming through the hardest provincial football in the country and beating teams like Kerry and Dublin that are leaps and bounds above money wise,facility wise population wise and winning Sam despite all of that staying Ulster champions year after year now that's success with a team off players all neatly under 25 if that's not success I don't know what is...Dublin for instance the amount of money pumped into it is unreal 6.5 million for a gaa pitch that's what Donegal get in the space of 10 years just goes to show money can't buy everything talent is talent and it's just natural "
Because Donegal are from the north west they will neve get the credit they deserve. |
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"On their day Donegal is the best team in Ireland!
On their day ?? By far the best team in the country any day, prob one of the most under funded counties at that too some difference between Mac Cumhaill Park and Croke Park lol
Best team in the country any day? Er, hello, I don't think so, then again it depends on how you measure success I suppose.
Yea any day... Well how do you measure success ?In my opinion a county as underfunded, underdeveloped and sparsely populated as Donegal coming through the hardest provincial football in the country and beating teams like Kerry and Dublin that are leaps and bounds above money wise,facility wise population wise and winning Sam despite all of that staying Ulster champions year after year now that's success with a team off players all neatly under 25 if that's not success I don't know what is...Dublin for instance the amount of money pumped into it is unreal 6.5 million for a gaa pitch that's what Donegal get in the space of 10 years just goes to show money can't buy everything talent is talent and it's just natural Because Donegal are from the north west they will neve get the credit they deserve. "
Boohoo! 
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"On their day Donegal is the best team in Ireland!
On their day ?? By far the best team in the country any day, prob one of the most under funded counties at that too some difference between Mac Cumhaill Park and Croke Park lol
Best team in the country any day? Er, hello, I don't think so, then again it depends on how you measure success I suppose.
Yea any day... Well how do you measure success ?In my opinion a county as underfunded, underdeveloped and sparsely populated as Donegal coming through the hardest provincial football in the country and beating teams like Kerry and Dublin that are leaps and bounds above money wise,facility wise population wise and winning Sam despite all of that staying Ulster champions year after year now that's success with a team off players all neatly under 25 if that's not success I don't know what is...Dublin for instance the amount of money pumped into it is unreal 6.5 million for a gaa pitch that's what Donegal get in the space of 10 years just goes to show money can't buy everything talent is talent and it's just natural
There's lots of counties would love the amount of success that Donegal have had indeed. That doesn't make them the best team in the country though. As for funding, having lots of money helps but it's no guarantee of anything. Cork county board traditionally had the biggest income of any county yet it's a while since they won anything. Dublin county board has a fantastic sponsorship deal indeed, but they have a lot of clubs to spend it on and the whole parish mentality that is the strength of rural counties is not there in the same way in Dublin. Anyway, if you're saying that Donegal are the best team in the country for the last four years, you'd want to be showing me more than one Sam Maguire. "
I can bet there is as many clubs here as Dublin I've played on pitches where they kept sheep ffs lol the big southern counties get the the helping hand big time simple... Yea I'll give you that, one Sam but always there about a but we have changed the game we started with the blanket defense now every county in Ireland is at it, gaelic has evolved into a more tactical sport for the better not great to watch when it started 4 or 5 years ago but as teams are grasping it the game is a better watch, younger managers starting to bring fresh ideas that would off been laughed at 5 or 6 years ago all because off Donegal the way we played now that's success .. Na if the provincials were tighter down south then national level would be rateable but it's a walk through for teams like Dublin Kerry Cork Mayo no competition at all... |
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"On their day Donegal is the best team in Ireland!
On their day ?? By far the best team in the country any day, prob one of the most under funded counties at that too some difference between Mac Cumhaill Park and Croke Park lol
Best team in the country any day? Er, hello, I don't think so, then again it depends on how you measure success I suppose.
Yea any day... Well how do you measure success ?In my opinion a county as underfunded, underdeveloped and sparsely populated as Donegal coming through the hardest provincial football in the country and beating teams like Kerry and Dublin that are leaps and bounds above money wise,facility wise population wise and winning Sam despite all of that staying Ulster champions year after year now that's success with a team off players all neatly under 25 if that's not success I don't know what is...Dublin for instance the amount of money pumped into it is unreal 6.5 million for a gaa pitch that's what Donegal get in the space of 10 years just goes to show money can't buy everything talent is talent and it's just natural Because Donegal are from the north west they will neve get the credit they deserve.
Boohoo!
There are little inscriptions all over the Sam Maguire with the names of the winning counties regardless of where they're situated. "
Yea take a guess why my friend it's the same as now nothings really changed politics politics politics |
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"On their day Donegal is the best team in Ireland!
On their day ?? By far the best team in the country any day, prob one of the most under funded counties at that too some difference between Mac Cumhaill Park and Croke Park lol
Best team in the country any day? Er, hello, I don't think so, then again it depends on how you measure success I suppose.
Yea any day... Well how do you measure success ?In my opinion a county as underfunded, underdeveloped and sparsely populated as Donegal coming through the hardest provincial football in the country and beating teams like Kerry and Dublin that are leaps and bounds above money wise,facility wise population wise and winning Sam despite all of that staying Ulster champions year after year now that's success with a team off players all neatly under 25 if that's not success I don't know what is...Dublin for instance the amount of money pumped into it is unreal 6.5 million for a gaa pitch that's what Donegal get in the space of 10 years just goes to show money can't buy everything talent is talent and it's just natural
There's lots of counties would love the amount of success that Donegal have had indeed. That doesn't make them the best team in the country though. As for funding, having lots of money helps but it's no guarantee of anything. Cork county board traditionally had the biggest income of any county yet it's a while since they won anything. Dublin county board has a fantastic sponsorship deal indeed, but they have a lot of clubs to spend it on and the whole parish mentality that is the strength of rural counties is not there in the same way in Dublin. Anyway, if you're saying that Donegal are the best team in the country for the last four years, you'd want to be showing me more than one Sam Maguire.
I can bet there is as many clubs here as Dublin I've played on pitches where they kept sheep ffs lol the big southern counties get the the helping hand big time simple... Yea I'll give you that, one Sam but always there about a but we have changed the game we started with the blanket defense now every county in Ireland is at it, gaelic has evolved into a more tactical sport for the better not great to watch when it started 4 or 5 years ago but as teams are grasping it the game is a better watch, younger managers starting to bring fresh ideas that would off been laughed at 5 or 6 years ago all because off Donegal the way we played now that's success .. Na if the provincials were tighter down south then national level would be rateable but it's a walk through for teams like Dublin Kerry Cork Mayo no competition at all... "
Having no competition is a disadvantage, not an advantage
The game has evolved into a game that's utterly shite to watch for the most part and attendances are dropping, hence Jarlath committee to come up with ideas to save it.
On the defensive thing, Donegal didn't change the game with that. I think Tyrone might have something to say about that. Also, not every team is playing it. Dublin won twice as many titles as Donegal during the last four years playing fast moving open football.
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"On their day Donegal is the best team in Ireland!
On their day ?? By far the best team in the country any day, prob one of the most under funded counties at that too some difference between Mac Cumhaill Park and Croke Park lol
Best team in the country any day? Er, hello, I don't think so, then again it depends on how you measure success I suppose.
Yea any day... Well how do you measure success ?In my opinion a county as underfunded, underdeveloped and sparsely populated as Donegal coming through the hardest provincial football in the country and beating teams like Kerry and Dublin that are leaps and bounds above money wise,facility wise population wise and winning Sam despite all of that staying Ulster champions year after year now that's success with a team off players all neatly under 25 if that's not success I don't know what is...Dublin for instance the amount of money pumped into it is unreal 6.5 million for a gaa pitch that's what Donegal get in the space of 10 years just goes to show money can't buy everything talent is talent and it's just natural Because Donegal are from the north west they will neve get the credit they deserve.
Boohoo!
There are little inscriptions all over the Sam Maguire with the names of the winning counties regardless of where they're situated.
Yea take a guess why my friend it's the same as now nothings really changed politics politics politics "
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"On their day Donegal is the best team in Ireland!
On their day ?? By far the best team in the country any day, prob one of the most under funded counties at that too some difference between Mac Cumhaill Park and Croke Park lol
Best team in the country any day? Er, hello, I don't think so, then again it depends on how you measure success I suppose.
Yea any day... Well how do you measure success ?In my opinion a county as underfunded, underdeveloped and sparsely populated as Donegal coming through the hardest provincial football in the country and beating teams like Kerry and Dublin that are leaps and bounds above money wise,facility wise population wise and winning Sam despite all of that staying Ulster champions year after year now that's success with a team off players all neatly under 25 if that's not success I don't know what is...Dublin for instance the amount of money pumped into it is unreal 6.5 million for a gaa pitch that's what Donegal get in the space of 10 years just goes to show money can't buy everything talent is talent and it's just natural
There's lots of counties would love the amount of success that Donegal have had indeed. That doesn't make them the best team in the country though. As for funding, having lots of money helps but it's no guarantee of anything. Cork county board traditionally had the biggest income of any county yet it's a while since they won anything. Dublin county board has a fantastic sponsorship deal indeed, but they have a lot of clubs to spend it on and the whole parish mentality that is the strength of rural counties is not there in the same way in Dublin. Anyway, if you're saying that Donegal are the best team in the country for the last four years, you'd want to be showing me more than one Sam Maguire.
I can bet there is as many clubs here as Dublin I've played on pitches where they kept sheep ffs lol the big southern counties get the the helping hand big time simple... Yea I'll give you that, one Sam but always there about a but we have changed the game we started with the blanket defense now every county in Ireland is at it, gaelic has evolved into a more tactical sport for the better not great to watch when it started 4 or 5 years ago but as teams are grasping it the game is a better watch, younger managers starting to bring fresh ideas that would off been laughed at 5 or 6 years ago all because off Donegal the way we played now that's success .. Na if the provincials were tighter down south then national level would be rateable but it's a walk through for teams like Dublin Kerry Cork Mayo no competition at all...
Having no competition is a disadvantage, not an advantage
The game has evolved into a game that's utterly shite to watch for the most part and attendances are dropping, hence Jarlath committee to come up with ideas to save it.
On the defensive thing, Donegal didn't change the game with that. I think Tyrone might have something to say about that. Also, not every team is playing it. Dublin won twice as many titles as Donegal during the last four years playing fast moving open football.
You can claim to be the best team playing on sheep pastures if you like but you can't claim to be the best team in the country with less titles than other teams. "
Not really a disadvantage your getting game time and the time for more training... Well I don't know what games your watching or what your theory on how football should be played is it it was flowing all the time there would be one or two dominant teams probably the best funded teams now that woukd be shit to watch managers need to go forward if all teams grasped it football would evolve into another level...flowing football is brilliant to watch but before the tactical side came around it was just bigger teams/counties that were winning with tactics it makes a level playing field well except for the advantages of the favoured counties...Tyrone might have fiddled around with it but we tuned it to a fine art for the better with tactics and defensive strategy it turns the players into elite athletes train 5 times as much and 5 times as hard look at the shape players are in now compared to 7 or 8 years ago... And as I said politics plays a big part in the GAA when Dublin were playing Donegal people were either in Dublin England or Scotland working playing for the county would of been last on the priority list now that's what I mean by politics highly funded county v low funded county money doesn't buy everything but having the right tools for the job and having the right friends in the right place is a big advantage  |
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On their day ?? By far the best team in the country any day, prob one of the most under funded counties at that too some difference between Mac Cumhaill Park and Croke Park lol
Best team in the country any day? Er, hello, I don't think so, then again it depends on how you measure success I suppose.
Yea any day... Well how do you measure success ?In my opinion a county as underfunded, underdeveloped and sparsely populated as Donegal coming through the hardest provincial football in the country and beating teams like Kerry and Dublin that are leaps and bounds above money wise,facility wise population wise and winning Sam despite all of that staying Ulster champions year after year now that's success with a team off players all neatly under 25 if that's not success I don't know what is...Dublin for instance the amount of money pumped into it is unreal 6.5 million for a gaa pitch that's what Donegal get in the space of 10 years just goes to show money can't buy everything talent is talent and it's just natural
There's lots of counties would love the amount of success that Donegal have had indeed. That doesn't make them the best team in the country though. As for funding, having lots of money helps but it's no guarantee of anything. Cork county board traditionally had the biggest income of any county yet it's a while since they won anything. Dublin county board has a fantastic sponsorship deal indeed, but they have a lot of clubs to spend it on and the whole parish mentality that is the strength of rural counties is not there in the same way in Dublin. Anyway, if you're saying that Donegal are the best team in the country for the last four years, you'd want to be showing me more than one Sam Maguire.
I can bet there is as many clubs here as Dublin I've played on pitches where they kept sheep ffs lol the big southern counties get the the helping hand big time simple... Yea I'll give you that, one Sam but always there about a but we have changed the game we started with the blanket defense now every county in Ireland is at it, gaelic has evolved into a more tactical sport for the better not great to watch when it started 4 or 5 years ago but as teams are grasping it the game is a better watch, younger managers starting to bring fresh ideas that would off been laughed at 5 or 6 years ago all because off Donegal the way we played now that's success .. Na if the provincials were tighter down south then national level would be rateable but it's a walk through for teams like Dublin Kerry Cork Mayo no competition at all...
Having no competition is a disadvantage, not an advantage
The game has evolved into a game that's utterly shite to watch for the most part and attendances are dropping, hence Jarlath committee to come up with ideas to save it.
On the defensive thing, Donegal didn't change the game with that. I think Tyrone might have something to say about that. Also, not every team is playing it. Dublin won twice as many titles as Donegal during the last four years playing fast moving open football.
You can claim to be the best team playing on sheep pastures if you like but you can't claim to be the best team in the country with less titles than other teams.
Not really a disadvantage your getting game time and the time for more training... Well I don't know what games your watching or what your theory on how football should be played is it it was flowing all the time there would be one or two dominant teams probably the best funded teams now that woukd be shit to watch managers need to go forward if all teams grasped it football would evolve into another level...flowing football is brilliant to watch but before the tactical side came around it was just bigger teams/counties that were winning with tactics it makes a level playing field well except for the advantages of the favoured counties...Tyrone might have fiddled around with it but we tuned it to a fine art for the better with tactics and defensive strategy it turns the players into elite athletes train 5 times as much and 5 times as hard look at the shape players are in now compared to 7 or 8 years ago... And as I said politics plays a big part in the GAA when Dublin were playing Donegal people were either in Dublin England or Scotland working playing for the county would of been last on the priority list now that's what I mean by politics highly funded county v low funded county money doesn't buy everything but having the right tools for the job and having the right friends in the right place is a big advantage "
Have you ever been to GAA Congress? Democracy. I'm not going to argue with you. Tyrone won more All Ireland titles than Donegal playing defensively. It's useful for teams with less talented players as it levels the playing field as you put it. As for teams training harder etc, that's not much of a gig thing when a lot of the skills are disappearing and lads are having hips replaced in their twenties. Anyway, enjoy your defensive game of tactics. The only tactic I enjoy is out scoring the opposition. Tá mé críochnaithe anois. Slán go fóill. |
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"On their day Donegal is the best team in Ireland!
On their day ?? By far the best team in the country any day, prob one of the most under funded counties at that too some difference between Mac Cumhaill Park and Croke Park lol
Best team in the country any day? Er, hello, I don't think so, then again it depends on how you measure success I suppose.
Yea any day... Well how do you measure success ?In my opinion a county as underfunded, underdeveloped and sparsely populated as Donegal coming through the hardest provincial football in the country and beating teams like Kerry and Dublin that are leaps and bounds above money wise,facility wise population wise and winning Sam despite all of that staying Ulster champions year after year now that's success with a team off players all neatly under 25 if that's not success I don't know what is...Dublin for instance the amount of money pumped into it is unreal 6.5 million for a gaa pitch that's what Donegal get in the space of 10 years just goes to show money can't buy everything talent is talent and it's just natural
There's lots of counties would love the amount of success that Donegal have had indeed. That doesn't make them the best team in the country though. As for funding, having lots of money helps but it's no guarantee of anything. Cork county board traditionally had the biggest income of any county yet it's a while since they won anything. Dublin county board has a fantastic sponsorship deal indeed, but they have a lot of clubs to spend it on and the whole parish mentality that is the strength of rural counties is not there in the same way in Dublin. Anyway, if you're saying that Donegal are the best team in the country for the last four years, you'd want to be showing me more than one Sam Maguire.
I can bet there is as many clubs here as Dublin I've played on pitches where they kept sheep ffs lol the big southern counties get the the helping hand big time simple... Yea I'll give you that, one Sam but always there about a but we have changed the game we started with the blanket defense now every county in Ireland is at it, gaelic has evolved into a more tactical sport for the better not great to watch when it started 4 or 5 years ago but as teams are grasping it the game is a better watch, younger managers starting to bring fresh ideas that would off been laughed at 5 or 6 years ago all because off Donegal the way we played now that's success .. Na if the provincials were tighter down south then national level would be rateable but it's a walk through for teams like Dublin Kerry Cork Mayo no competition at all...
Having no competition is a disadvantage, not an advantage
The game has evolved into a game that's utterly shite to watch for the most part and attendances are dropping, hence Jarlath committee to come up with ideas to save it.
On the defensive thing, Donegal didn't change the game with that. I think Tyrone might have something to say about that. Also, not every team is playing it. Dublin won twice as many titles as Donegal during the last four years playing fast moving open football.
You can claim to be the best team playing on sheep pastures if you like but you can't claim to be the best team in the country with less titles than other teams.
Not really a disadvantage your getting game time and the time for more training... Well I don't know what games your watching or what your theory on how football should be played is it it was flowing all the time there would be one or two dominant teams probably the best funded teams now that woukd be shit to watch managers need to go forward if all teams grasped it football would evolve into another level...flowing football is brilliant to watch but before the tactical side came around it was just bigger teams/counties that were winning with tactics it makes a level playing field well except for the advantages of the favoured counties...Tyrone might have fiddled around with it but we tuned it to a fine art for the better with tactics and defensive strategy it turns the players into elite athletes train 5 times as much and 5 times as hard look at the shape players are in now compared to 7 or 8 years ago... And as I said politics plays a big part in the GAA when Dublin were playing Donegal people were either in Dublin England or Scotland working playing for the county would of been last on the priority list now that's what I mean by politics highly funded county v low funded county money doesn't buy everything but having the right tools for the job and having the right friends in the right place is a big advantage
Have you ever been to GAA Congress? Democracy. I'm not going to argue with you. Tyrone won more All Ireland titles than Donegal playing defensively. It's useful for teams with less talented players as it levels the playing field as you put it. As for teams training harder etc, that's not much of a gig thing when a lot of the skills are disappearing and lads are having hips replaced in their twenties. Anyway, enjoy your defensive game of tactics. The only tactic I enjoy is out scoring the opposition. Tá mé críochnaithe anois. Slán go fóill. "
Do you not think it would be a bit boring if every team played the same way. Make s it more exciting to watch teams try to out think each other and better still if they beat the dubs |
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"On their day Donegal is the best team in Ireland!
Sure you can say that about dublin kerry mayo and maybe cork
You can certainly say it about Kerry. After that it's hard to know, but definitely not Mayo anyway. Promised so much but delivered so little apart from nice football to watch. You could add Tyrone and Meath to the list if multiple All Ireland wins is the thing? Mind you, Wexford were the first team to win three in a row and where are they now. The sentence is contradictory at best anyway. If a team has one amazing day, they could overturn a team and be "the best team in the country" if Tipp could have maintained their start against Kerry - 4 points up within 5 mins - they could have been labelled the best team in the country, on that day
I couldn't agree with that. Winning one game wouldn't make anyone the best team in the country in my estimation. Some consistency is required for that. ok I'll rephrase it.... This year and the past 4 years Donegal is the best team in Ireland!
And you only win the all ireland once invites time frame, come on mayo hanmered ye by nearly twenty points in 2013, deluded "
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kilkenny winning by 24 points .if that was a dublin team you would hear the jealous heads .especially from donegal saying .dublin should be divided .to much of a pick .to much money involved .playing at home etc etc ..fair play to kilkenny .you get out of it what you put into it .if other counties havent got it .tough. just get on with it . |
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"kilkenny winning by 24 points .if that was a dublin team you would hear the jealous heads .especially from donegal saying .dublin should be divided .to much of a pick .to much money involved .playing at home etc etc ..fair play to kilkenny .you get out of it what you put into it .if other counties havent got it .tough. just get on with it ."
Lol your some eejit a Kerryman shouting for Dublin. Kilkenny are every bit as under funded as Donegal I'd say and since the have no football team and only concentrate on hurling that's why then win pure talent, your right they have it just imagine if they had the money Dublin GAA has they would be unbeatable... All those things about Dublin are true tho that's the difference politics plays a big part simple !! If every county had the advantages of Dublin Kerry and the likes it woukd be a far better sport. Your another deluded Dub like the other boy there talent lol don't make me laugh... What actual talent is in the Dublin team Mc Cauley, Claxton and Connolly catch a grip man... |
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