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By *ean0001 OP Man
over a year ago
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So everyone is talking about the marriage referendum on friday but i hear little or nothing about the Presidential Age one.
What are peoples opinions on this one?
Is it a good idea to let the age be reduced to 21?
I can't see anyone at 21 really running for president but then again if some of the universities got together and put up a candidate would they have the numbers to have someone elected.
Or then again, maybe people just dont care.
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"So everyone is talking about the marriage referendum on friday but i hear little or nothing about the Presidential Age one.
What are peoples opinions on this one?
Is it a good idea to let the age be reduced to 21?
I can't see anyone at 21 really running for president but then again if some of the universities got together and put up a candidate would they have the numbers to have someone elected.
Or then again, maybe people just dont care.
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You can't just decide to run. You have to be nominated by either four local authorities or 20 members of the Oireachtas. That may sound easy but it's not. As I said on the previous thread, if a 21 year old is persuasive enough to get a nomination and then convince one and a half million people to vote for them then they're good enough for the job. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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IMO 21 is too young as they have little life experience per se! I think the average age of cabinet ministers is 57, so why would the government assume that a 21 year old could become leader of the country!
Also, don't forget to bring a pen when making your vote this Friday, those bookies pencils are a tad dodgy |
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"IMO 21 is too young as they have little life experience per se! I think the average age of cabinet ministers is 57, so why would the government assume that a 21 year old could become leader of the country!
Also, don't forget to bring a pen when making your vote this Friday, those bookies pencils are a tad dodgy"
Our president doesn't need life experience though. The Council of State meets to discuss any tricky business. Legal advisors cover the rest, and all speeches have to be approved and, edited if necessary, by government.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"think about it this way, is someone like me capable of being president?
You are already a King don't be greedy lol"
Kinglim - fab king and president of Ireland  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"A younger person might actually do a better job
But sure there is no job. What does the president do that couldn't be done by either the Oireachtas or the supreme Court? "
Agreed  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"think about it this way, is someone like me capable of being president?
You are already a King don't be greedy lol
Kinglim - fab king and president of Ireland "
....we already elected a turkey lookalike. ...lol....why not go for the real thing?...  |
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By *oghunter33Woman
over a year ago
on the hill NordWest of |
The whole presidential age referendum is sheer cosmetics, distraction and to give people the feeling that they have a say, while the whole issue is utterly unimportant and irrelevant!
Why do they people of Ireland don't get a say in the privatisation of water? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"think about it this way, is someone like me capable of being president?
You are already a King don't be greedy lol
Kinglim - fab king and president of Ireland ....we already elected a turkey lookalike. ...lol....why not go for the real thing?... "
Care to explain?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"think about it this way, is someone like me capable of being president?
You are already a King don't be greedy lol
Kinglim - fab king and president of Ireland ....we already elected a turkey lookalike. ...lol....why not go for the real thing?...
Care to explain? "
.....joke... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"think about it this way, is someone like me capable of being president?
You are already a King don't be greedy lol
Kinglim - fab king and president of Ireland ....we already elected a turkey lookalike. ...lol....why not go for the real thing?...
Care to explain? .....joke... "
I dunno about that someone might want to reread the forum rules..... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"think about it this way, is someone like me capable of being president?
You are already a King don't be greedy lol
Kinglim - fab king and president of Ireland ....we already elected a turkey lookalike. ...lol....why not go for the real thing?...
Care to explain? .....joke...
I dunno about that someone might want to reread the forum rules..... "
That's the second time today, I reminded them of them earlier. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"think about it this way, is someone like me capable of being president?
You are already a King don't be greedy lol
Kinglim - fab king and president of Ireland ....we already elected a turkey lookalike. ...lol....why not go for the real thing?...
Care to explain? .....joke...
I dunno about that someone might want to reread the forum rules..... "
.......sorry I didn't notice the rule against joking.....this place is turning into the stepford wives....and I won't mention the other post. ...don't want to be considered weird... ....what a lovely day... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"A younger person might actually do a better job
But sure there is no job. What does the president do that couldn't be done by either the Oireachtas or the supreme Court? "
Then their age will make no difference |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Do we even need a president, in fairness now.... 
With a government that rules by dictat and decree ... More than ever We need one "
But the governments decision is final in some cases, the president just signs things off without question! We don't need a president! |
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"A younger person might actually do a better job
But sure there is no job. What does the president do that couldn't be done by either the Oireachtas or the supreme Court?
Then their age will make no difference "
Yep, that was my point |
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"Do we even need a president, in fairness now....
With a government that rules by dictat and decree ... More than ever We need one
But the governments decision is final in some cases, the president just signs things off without question! We don't need a president! "
The president signs or not depending on the advice he/she is given. If the president doesn't sign, it's sent to the Supreme Court to have its constitutionality tested. Once the Supreme Court declares it compatible with the constitution then it cannot be questioned again. |
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"So everyone is talking about the marriage referendum on friday but i hear little or nothing about the Presidential Age one.
What are peoples opinions on this one?
Is it a good idea to let the age be reduced to 21?
I can't see anyone at 21 really running for president but then again if some of the universities got together and put up a candidate would they have the numbers to have someone elected.
Or then again, maybe people just dont care.
You can't just decide to run. You have to be nominated by either four local authorities or 20 members of the Oireachtas. That may sound easy but it's not. As I said on the previous thread, if a 21 year old is persuasive enough to get a nomination and then convince one and a half million people to vote for them then they're good enough for the job. "
I agree even thou we would vote yes there is alot of work for him to do to get the job so why not lower the age |
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People who vote yes to gay marriage should vote no to the age limit, forbthe same reason.
What would the neighbours think if they sent their head of state to ireland and they were meeting a 21 year old.
Thats one of the main reasons for voting isnt it, what people oitside of ireland will think. |
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"So everyone is talking about the marriage referendum on friday but i hear little or nothing about the Presidential Age one.
What are peoples opinions on this one?
Is it a good idea to let the age be reduced to 21?
I can't see anyone at 21 really running for president but then again if some of the universities got together and put up a candidate would they have the numbers to have someone elected.
Or then again, maybe people just dont care.
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I care, I've no issue with the age being reduced, there are some fine 21+ year old people in this country. It's a very appropriate referendum because it's a question of "Presidential Equality".
Ok, it's possibly not the most important reform to be put to the country, that said, seeing as we have it in front of us now, we should take the opportunity to remove it.
I don't know if we will ever see a candidate under 35ish in our lifetime, but if we want to consider ourselves a country of freedom and equality it just makes sense to take this stuff out of our constitution.
Interestingly, If a 21 year old is elected president and serves one term, the taxpayer will start paying their pension at 28 for the rest of their lives... this may undoubtedly change in the future with a retirement age clause, so like the other question on the day, this is the start of turning the wheel and then the fine tuning can be done later. |
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"People who vote yes to gay marriage should vote no to the age limit, forbthe same reason.
What would the neighbours think if they sent their head of state to ireland and they were meeting a 21 year old.
Thats one of the main reasons for voting isnt it, what people oitside of ireland will think."
Yawn.. That's a fair pile of shite  |
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"Yawn.. That's a fair pile of shite "
The whole thing is a fair pile of shite, they have people running in circles over "eqaulity" when the petrol stations are employing 2000 illegal immigrants, while we are paying for water, while the country is being cut up and sold of.
Its one big pile of obscene shite. |
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"Yawn.. That's a fair pile of shite
The whole thing is a fair pile of shite, they have people running in circles over "eqaulity" when the petrol stations are employing 2000 illegal immigrants, while we are paying for water, while the country is being cut up and sold of.
Its one big pile of obscene shite."
Where do you get these very precise figures from?
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That's relevant to the presidential age in what way exactly?
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I presume you're saying that you believe there are more important issues than the age of the president? Why not just say it then instead of insulting people who vote? |
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"I presume you're saying that you believe there are more important issues than the age of the president? Why not just say it then instead of insulting people who vote? "
Why not say you disagree with my reason for voting yes instead of saying I talk shite and yawning at me?
Come on now, get down off that high horse. |
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"People who vote yes to gay marriage should vote no to the age limit, forbthe same reason.
What would the neighbours think if they sent their head of state to ireland and they were meeting a 21 year old.
Thats one of the main reasons for voting isnt it, what people oitside of ireland will think."
Re: Presidential age. I suspect there's quite a few worldly neighbours that are offended by their head of state shaking hands with a black president. A white spotty ginger 21 year old from a backward broke shite hole like here would be the least of their worries |
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"I presume you're saying that you believe there are more important issues than the age of the president? Why not just say it then instead of insulting people who vote?
Why not say you disagree with my reason for voting yes instead of saying I talk shite and yawning at me?
Come on now, get down off that high horse."
I'm presuming you deliberately missed the point there.
Where did you give a reason for voting yes? All I saw was your suggestion that the only reason people here were intending to vote yes in the other referendum was because of what people outside the country think. Do you really believe that? |
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By *ark the manMan
over a year ago
dublin. meath louth areas |
Well the way I see it is like this.The clowns that made the rules for being president done it in such a way that only the chosen few could get the over paid gig.It's not open to the ordinary Joe soap and never will be.I do hope the government plan to refund all the tax paid by anyone under 35 years of age as they are not as equal as the older pigs in our land !
Oh and let's not forget the night our glorious leaders flushed the country down the jacks ! NOT A CHISLER IN SIGHT ONLY SOME VERY OLD GITS !ANY ONE TAKING MINUTES LADS |
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By *squaredCouple
over a year ago
Dublin/westmeath/kildare |
All I'm going to say is read this:
http://www.independent.ie/style/celebrity/celebrity-news/jedward-want-to-run-for-president-as-candidates-age-requirement-is-lowered-to-21-31229283.html
shudder the thought of Jedward being of age to be president. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"All I'm going to say is read this:
http://www.independent.ie/style/celebrity/celebrity-news/jedward-want-to-run-for-president-as-candidates-age-requirement-is-lowered-to-21-31229283.html
shudder the thought of Jedward being of age to be president."
Ya see MM, it wasn't a solitary fear! |
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By *squaredCouple
over a year ago
Dublin/westmeath/kildare |
"It doesn't matter how much they want to run if they don't get nominated, and last time I checked, 8 year old children weren't allowed to vote so it's a complete red herring. "
event i worked at was 8 year olds screaming for them |
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"It doesn't matter how much they want to run if they don't get nominated, and last time I checked, 8 year old children weren't allowed to vote so it's a complete red herring.
event i worked at was 8 year olds screaming for them"
That's my point. 8 year olds don't have a vote so even if by some incredible miracle, Jedward managed to get a nomination, the vast bulk of their fans wouldn't be able to vote anyway. |
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By *squaredCouple
over a year ago
Dublin/westmeath/kildare |
damn autocorrect on phone it wasn't 8 year olds that yelled loudest it was parents with them & teens who are now of voting age.
i like age progession with job level that's done elsewhere. if they are to talk in public, understand politics & represent they need experience under belt or country won't b taken serious nor would things they say.
Ireland is on par with most countries for age requirement why try fix something that ain't broken & works elsewhere without issue.
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For what its worth William Pitt was 24 when he became Prime Minister and he is now regarded as one of the most successful British PMs. Bernie Devlin was 21 when she became MP. Michael Collins would not have been eligible for nomination when he died at 31.
I think that if there is an obvious political talent then age should not be a barrier
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"damn autocorrect on phone it wasn't 8 year olds that yelled loudest it was parents with them & teens who are now of voting age.
i like age progession with job level that's done elsewhere. if they are to talk in public, understand politics & represent they need experience under belt or country won't b taken serious nor would things they say.
Ireland is on par with most countries for age requirement why try fix something that ain't broken & works elsewhere without issue.
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But, but, but... They still need to be nominated! It's incredibly difficult! Statistics also show that younger people rarely vote. If they're good enough, they're old enough.
By the way, Jedward is two people, so only one of them would be able to stand unless they got 8 local authorities or 40 members of the Oireachtas to nominate them. If they can manage that I'll vote for them myself! |
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"For what its worth William Pitt was 24 when he became Prime Minister and he is now regarded as one of the most successful British PMs. Bernie Devlin was 21 when she became MP. Michael Collins would not have been eligible for nomination when he died at 31.
I think that if there is an obvious political talent then age should not be a barrier
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