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Single-guy ripoff.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Does anyone else think it's unfair, in fact sexist, to charge singles guys more than single girls or couples for that matter ?"
In general yes! But charge for what exactly? Are you referring to site membership or clubs/parties? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Well we have seen it at clubs and parties mainly.
There is a fairer way of doing it. You put a limit on the amount of single guys. You also limit the amount of single girls but there is little need for that. |
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By *j47Man
over a year ago
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"I don't think its sexist, more supply and demand but yes i agree it iis unfair however i have seen a few lately that were priced equaly"
sorry i am assuming we are talking about parties and clubs |
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By *ilderMan
over a year ago
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For me respect is very important and just because you can charge more to single guys does not mean you should.
When I see this pricing difference it always leaves a bad taste in my mouth (so to speak). It's a bad start to an event for me (not for money reasons but for the principle). |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"For me respect is very important and just because you can charge more to single guys does not mean you should.
When I see this pricing difference it always leaves a bad taste in my mouth (so to speak). It's a bad start to an event for me (not for money reasons but for the principle). "
Agreed.
I think most guys would understand the necessity to limit the amount of single males at an event / club. If they don't then they are likely not suitable swingers.
Plus, inviting new people to events is a great idea. We were invited randomly to a party last Xmas. The couple involved like to include at least one new couple each time.
It's a good way of keeping things fresh and giving newbies a chance to meet others on the scene. |
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By *aid backMan
over a year ago
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well when i host parties there is a small cover charge ad everyone pays the same amount.
i can understand why clubs have differing prices as you dont want a club of say 100 people having 80 single guys and only a handful of women and cpls. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"well when i host parties there is a small cover charge ad everyone pays the same amount.
i can understand why clubs have differing prices as you dont want a club of say 100 people having 80 single guys and only a handful of women and cpls."
Well I can understand the reason.
The reason is to make profit |
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By *aid backMan
over a year ago
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"well when i host parties there is a small cover charge ad everyone pays the same amount.
i can understand why clubs have differing prices as you dont want a club of say 100 people having 80 single guys and only a handful of women and cpls.
Well I can understand the reason.
The reason is to make profit"
of course not sure they open a club to just make friends  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If the clubs that have these pricing policies are successful(profit wise),no amount of bitching or complaining by single guys is going to change that.
The only way they will change is if single ladies and couples complain or stay away till a fairer pricing policy is introduced,and what are the chances of that? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"well when i host parties there is a small cover charge ad everyone pays the same amount.
i can understand why clubs have differing prices as you dont want a club of say 100 people having 80 single guys and only a handful of women and cpls.
Well I can understand the reason.
The reason is to make profit
of course not sure they open a club to just make friends "
Well some clubs are more in it for the interest than the money. In fact that is pretty much what a club is. A group of people organising to promote and keep alive a particular scene.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"If the clubs that have these pricing policies are successful(profit wise),no amount of bitching or complaining by single guys is going to change that.
The only way they will change is if single ladies and couples complain or stay away till a fairer pricing policy is introduced,and what are the chances of that?"
Well said.
To be fair, we have been to a club in Amsterdam several times because of the fair treatment I received when I was single. |
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Charging extra kinda s out the messers that have little or no interest in the lifestyle and just want to get there hole!
Besides flooded with single guys most couples would never come back and be just a club full of singles guys which would eventually also never come back!
So charging the same as a couple runs the risk of club closing down before its time or too many people know bout the club which the media will not be far behind!
Just our 2 sents |
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By *aid backMan
over a year ago
by a lake with my rod out |
"Charging extra kinda s out the messers that have little or no interest in the lifestyle and just want to get there hole!
Besides flooded with single guys most couples would never come back and be just a club full of singles guys which would eventually also never come back!
So charging the same as a couple runs the risk of club closing down before its time or too many people know bout the club which the media will not be far behind!
Just our 2 sents"
exactly  |
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By *ilderMan
over a year ago
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"Charging extra kinda s out the messers that have little or no interest in the lifestyle and just want to get there hole!
Besides flooded with single guys most couples would never come back and be just a club full of singles guys which would eventually also never come back!
So charging the same as a couple runs the risk of club closing down before its time or too many people know bout the club which the media will not be far behind!
Just our 2 sents"
There has to be a more respectful way of ing out the messers though. I don't know what it is but treating someone in a different manner due to their sex and 'relationship status' should not be the only way.... 
I've only been to one swing club and its in Ireland. My verifications here hopefully were proof enough that I'm no messer.  |
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By *razy-CplCouple
over a year ago
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"Charging extra kinda s out the messers that have little or no interest in the lifestyle and just want to get there hole!
Besides flooded with single guys most couples would never come back and be just a club full of singles guys which would eventually also never come back!
So charging the same as a couple runs the risk of club closing down before its time or too many people know bout the club which the media will not be far behind!
Just our 2 sents"
this  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Charging extra kinda s out the messers that have little or no interest in the lifestyle and just want to get there hole!
Besides flooded with single guys most couples would never come back and be just a club full of singles guys which would eventually also never come back!
So charging the same as a couple runs the risk of club closing down before its time or too many people know bout the club which the media will not be far behind!
Just our 2 sents"
As we said, you can limit the amount of singles attending without ripping them off. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Charging extra kinda s out the messers that have little or no interest in the lifestyle and just want to get there hole!
Besides flooded with single guys most couples would never come back and be just a club full of singles guys which would eventually also never come back!
So charging the same as a couple runs the risk of club closing down before its time or too many people know bout the club which the media will not be far behind!
Just our 2 sents
There has to be a more respectful way of ing out the messers though. I don't know what it is but treating someone in a different manner due to their sex and 'relationship status' should not be the only way....
I've only been to one swing club and its in Ireland. My verifications here hopefully were proof enough that I'm no messer. "
There is a more respectful way ...
... you simply put a limit on the amount of singles. So say the ideal is a ratio of 1:1, then you maintain that by doing a count on the people in the club.
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By *aid backMan
over a year ago
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"Charging extra kinda s out the messers that have little or no interest in the lifestyle and just want to get there hole!
Besides flooded with single guys most couples would never come back and be just a club full of singles guys which would eventually also never come back!
So charging the same as a couple runs the risk of club closing down before its time or too many people know bout the club which the media will not be far behind!
Just our 2 sents
There has to be a more respectful way of ing out the messers though. I don't know what it is but treating someone in a different manner due to their sex and 'relationship status' should not be the only way....
I've only been to one swing club and its in Ireland. My verifications here hopefully were proof enough that I'm no messer.
There is a more respectful way ...
... you simply put a limit on the amount of singles. So say the ideal is a ratio of 1:1, then you maintain that by doing a count on the people in the club.
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good in theory but what happens when the club has to turn away the genuine single guys because there quota of guys is full in the first 10 mins of the night ? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Well I know that it is always an idea to call ahead. Have a booking system.
If you turn up on the spot you can chance your arm, but don't be disappointed if you're turned away.
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By *aid backMan
over a year ago
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yeah but lets say it gets booked out for months in advance and ur left waiting for 3 months to go to the club ? would it not be better to pay a bit more and be able to attend the club ? also the swinging world really revolves around cpls and not every cpl wants single guys so to keep the main swingers happy there has to be a system in place. you could just ban single guys on sat night like some clubs in the uk do. at the end of the day the club owners make their own rules and rates if you dont like them you are always free not to go to it |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"yeah but lets say it gets booked out for months in advance and ur left waiting for 3 months to go to the club ? would it not be better to pay a bit more and be able to attend the club ? also the swinging world really revolves around cpls and not every cpl wants single guys so to keep the main swingers happy there has to be a system in place. you could just ban single guys on sat night like some clubs in the uk do. at the end of the day the club owners make their own rules and rates if you dont like them you are always free not to go to it"
Even if you do allow people to come along and pay varying fees, there will still be a limit on the amount of singles.
Charging men more is utter sexism. |
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By *aid backMan
over a year ago
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being a single guy myself. I can see the pricing is used to discourage too many single guys. there are clubs in the uk that u have to sign up for eg take out membership and still pay 2 times what it costs a single woman. and its not sexist they could just as easy not allow single guys in at all. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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good in theory but what happens when the club has to turn away the genuine single guys because there quota of guys is full in the first 10 mins of the night ? "
what do you mean by genuine single guys? are we to believe there are women that go to these clubs pretending to be guys?
and whats a messer at a club?
at the end of the day they are all guys,and just like couples and single ladies they go to swingers clubs to meet like minded people,be that for chat or sex?
(obviously they want the sex,but im trying to make a poinr here)  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"being a single guy myself. I can see the pricing is used to discourage too many single guys. there are clubs in the uk that u have to sign up for eg take out membership and still pay 2 times what it costs a single woman. and its not sexist they could just as easy not allow single guys in at all."
Of course it is sexism. It is outright sexism.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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good in theory but what happens when the club has to turn away the genuine single guys because there quota of guys is full in the first 10 mins of the night ?
what do you mean by genuine single guys? are we to believe there are women that go to these clubs pretending to be guys?
and whats a messer at a club?
at the end of the day they are all guys,and just like couples and single ladies they go to swingers clubs to meet like minded people,be that for chat or sex?
(obviously they want the sex,but im trying to make a poinr here) "
Well said.
We have encountered plenty of couples (less so females) that are equally as much a waster as single guys.
At least with single guys you know where you stand. They want their hole !!!
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I have co hosted a few parties and the most recent one we charged the same , per person , no extra for single guys and no less for couples .
If anything it's more expensive for singles to attend , no one to share cost of hotel or diesel so I think 'one for all' is the way to go !
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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When I joined fab and started going to socials I asked the same thing and I was told that basically the reduced rate for females was to incentivise them to attend to make sure the ratios stayed even. So rather then seeing it as an extra charge for men, I see it as a reduced rate for women. |
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By *j47Man
over a year ago
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"When I joined fab and started going to socials I asked the same thing and I was told that basically the reduced rate for females was to incentivise them to attend to make sure the ratios stayed even. So rather then seeing it as an extra charge for men, I see it as a reduced rate for women."
just to put a spanner in the works wasn't that the same for women drivers till it didn't stand up in court ????? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"When I joined fab and started going to socials I asked the same thing and I was told that basically the reduced rate for females was to incentivise them to attend to make sure the ratios stayed even. So rather then seeing it as an extra charge for men, I see it as a reduced rate for women.
just to put a spanner in the works wasn't that the same for women drivers till it didn't stand up in court ?????"
Lol yes suppose it is! I can see both sides of the argument so I think I'll stay neutral on this one |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"When I joined fab and started going to socials I asked the same thing and I was told that basically the reduced rate for females was to incentivise them to attend to make sure the ratios stayed even. So rather then seeing it as an extra charge for men, I see it as a reduced rate for women.
just to put a spanner in the works wasn't that the same for women drivers till it didn't stand up in court ?????"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"When I joined fab and started going to socials I asked the same thing and I was told that basically the reduced rate for females was to incentivise them to attend to make sure the ratios stayed even. So rather then seeing it as an extra charge for men, I see it as a reduced rate for women.
just to put a spanner in the works wasn't that the same for women drivers till it didn't stand up in court ?????
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lol it's a woman's world lol just saying |
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By *j47Man
over a year ago
limerick |
While i do agree with laid about the clubs they do it for profit weather the excess charged to guys is used to subsidize lady's and cpls or purely profit they do cause they can. At least private parties with invite only can charge equally as the invite system can be used to control numbers |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Does anyone else think it's unfair, in fact sexist, to charge singles guys more than single girls or couples for that matter ?"
As always this will be controversial (putting on my hard hat now)
Yes it's unfair as are most things in life! For many years men have used sex to sell products and make profit and there's little difference here! Basically the idea of a swing party and opportunities for single guys to meet (or as it was so eloquently put "get their hole") like minded (lesser spotted) swinging females (and couples) in a safe environment is very enticing and therefore many single guys are prepared to pay more especially as there are many more of them viing for places at these parties.
So why do they do it and still get away with it? Because they can! That old adage 'Sex sells' applies and if the demand is there and people (single guys) keep paying over the odds then nothing will change and this thread will disappear into oblivion! Until lotta revives it in about 6-9 months!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Does anyone else think it's unfair, in fact sexist, to charge singles guys more than single girls or couples for that matter ?
As always this will be controversial (putting on my hard hat now)
Yes it's unfair as are most things in life! For many years men have used sex to sell products and make profit and there's little difference here! Basically the idea of a swing party and opportunities for single guys to meet (or as it was so eloquently put "get their hole") like minded (lesser spotted) swinging females (and couples) in a safe environment is very enticing and therefore many single guys are prepared to pay more especially as there are many more of them viing for places at these parties.
So why do they do it and still get away with it? Because they can! That old adage 'Sex sells' applies and if the demand is there and people (single guys) keep paying over the odds then nothing will change and this thread will disappear into oblivion! Until lotta revives it in about 6-9 months!! "
I shall let it go a 10-12 months this time |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"For me respect is very important and just because you can charge more to single guys does not mean you should.
When I see this pricing difference it always leaves a bad taste in my mouth (so to speak). It's a bad start to an event for me (not for money reasons but for the principle). "
Totally agree with you. Well said |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I have always believed its unfair that single guys are charged more than single girls. In this age of equality its not right or fair and would not be tolerated in other lines of business but unfortunately due to the nature of the game ie guys are willing to pay for the privilege of being chosen and this lifestyle still so secretive that its unlikely to change 
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