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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

We are really sorry to be posting this but we have been left with no option but to cancel the meet & greet in Carlow

As some of you may be already aware this event has made the front page of The Carlow Nationalist , we respect everyone's privacy and we do not want to expose anyone to unwanted attention

We apologise to everyone who was coming , please make sure you cancel your room's

Once again total apologies we are gutted

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By *0shadesofashWoman  over a year ago

DUBLIN

Omg really? I'm not a happy person rite now iv been lookin forward to this for months

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Digger this is a disgrace that someone has ratted to the papers and cancelled the fun for everyone else.

You have spent so much time and effort on this and I'm gutted for you xx

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

It's a shame...

Ye went to so much trouble...

So sorry Rich and tomandlou

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By *0shadesofashWoman  over a year ago

DUBLIN

I think we should all still go down and make are own fun pick a spot to go the back to the hotel

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By *ohn MingoMan  over a year ago

Dublin

Stealing someone else's phrase but this boils my piss!!!

I was so looking forward to this!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Oh no ffs sorry to hear it guys grrrr im fit to kill

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I think we should all still go down and make are own fun pick a spot to go the back to the hotel "

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By *ohn MingoMan  over a year ago

Dublin


"I think we should all still go down and make are own fun pick a spot to go the back to the hotel "

I'd be up for this if others are...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Last time I said that phrase I got a 48hr ban lol

but im in shock after the crap I've been through I tought this will make up for it

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By *ilderMan  over a year ago

dublin

Ah cock!!!!

That's a balls digger! Thanks for letting us know. The absolute cooking funts!!!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Ah cock!!!!

That's a balls digger! Thanks for letting us know. The absolute cooking funts!!! "

Pissed off but that made me smile _ilder...

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By *ohn MingoMan  over a year ago

Dublin

I hate small minded idiots.

So sorry to the organisers.

If anyone could scan or transcribe or link to the paper article I'd love to see what that rag said....

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By *etmebeurfantasyWoman  over a year ago

My town

Whats that's terrible some shits around.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Ok ppl anit no1 fucki this up. We all have hawiian clothes lets just take over a beach somewhere and bring our own drink. WE HAVE THE WEATHER FOR IT tents camp fire singsong what do yiz think ???

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By *0shadesofashWoman  over a year ago

DUBLIN


"Ok ppl anit no1 fucki this up. We all have hawiian clothes lets just take over a beach somewhere and bring our own drink. WE HAVE THE WEATHER FOR IT tents camp fire singsong what do yiz think ???"
do u hav a beach that will allow that? Ha

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By *0shadesofashWoman  over a year ago

DUBLIN


"I think we should all still go down and make are own fun pick a spot to go the back to the hotel

I'd be up for this if others are..."

I defo am I'm not Sittin in will only make me worse

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Ok ppl anit no1 fucki this up. We all have hawiian clothes lets just take over a beach somewhere and bring our own drink. WE HAVE THE WEATHER FOR IT tents camp fire singsong what do yiz think ??? do u hav a beach that will allow that? Ha"

Allow what we are all just camping Ash lol

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I hear brittas bay is nice

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Really sorry to hear that. Was looking forward to it. There really are some small minded people out there.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Who ever sold out and told the paper this needs to be seriously ashamed of themselves.

If the paper bothered to actually investigate what a swing social is they would know that it's a group of people having drinks and what ever happens in their hotel room is their own business.

It's no different to any vanilla night out or wedding or function apart from the fact that we are more open about saying we all love sex.

Ireland in general needs to get out of the stone ages and cop the f**k on. No one is doing anything illegal

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Who ever sold out and told the paper this needs to be seriously ashamed of themselves.

If the paper bothered to actually investigate what a swing social is they would know that it's a group of people having drinks and what ever happens in their hotel room is their own business.

It's no different to any vanilla night out or wedding or function apart from the fact that we are more open about saying we all love sex.

Ireland in general needs to get out of the stone ages and cop the f**k on. No one is doing anything illegal "

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Who ever sold out and told the paper this needs to be seriously ashamed of themselves.

If the paper bothered to actually investigate what a swing social is they would know that it's a group of people having drinks and what ever happens in their hotel room is their own business.

It's no different to any vanilla night out or wedding or function apart from the fact that we are more open about saying we all love sex.

Ireland in general needs to get out of the stone ages and cop the f**k on. No one is doing anything illegal "

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

So where we all gonna go now???? Think we all need to start pming each other with details!!!!!

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By *imwildWoman  over a year ago

around

As suggested keep your reservations and arrange a meeting place for drinks.

Don't let others malicious and petty minds win.

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By *0shadesofashWoman  over a year ago

DUBLIN


"So where we all gonna go now???? Think we all need to start pming each other with details!!!!!"
defo I still wanna do somethin

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By *oxic1998Woman  over a year ago

Belfast


"Who ever sold out and told the paper this needs to be seriously ashamed of themselves.

If the paper bothered to actually investigate what a swing social is they would know that it's a group of people having drinks and what ever happens in their hotel room is their own business.

It's no different to any vanilla night out or wedding or function apart from the fact that we are more open about saying we all love sex.

Ireland in general needs to get out of the stone ages and cop the f**k on. No one is doing anything illegal "

Having attended my first meet and greet in Newry I couldn't agree more. Think they would be very disappointed if they were invited to one themselves and found out it was just what it says 'a social'

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By *ohn MingoMan  over a year ago

Dublin


"So where we all gonna go now???? Think we all need to start pming each other with details!!!!! defo I still wanna do somethin "

Agreed....!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"So where we all gonna go now???? Think we all need to start pming each other with details!!!!! defo I still wanna do somethin "

Yes select few that kno how to keep their mouth shut!!! Obviously sumone on here takin the piss?? Any other venue that cud do it??

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

We r all devastated both digger and myself were at new allocated hotel when someone messaged to say it was on front of local paper!

We got the paper and just went "holy fuck"!!!

So we decided at that stage it was out of our hands we wouldn't like anyone to have that kind of unwanted attention at the end of the day we all have our "normal "lives . . .

So we can't be more sorry we hate lettin anyone down

This has been in the plannin for months we have put alot of time and effort it and all for nothing now!

So again apologies

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By *j47Man  over a year ago

limerick

Shame this has happened again there was two last year in Galway and Waterford earlier this year now carlow makes u think how small minded some are

lolli has the right idea pm each other and arrange a private gathering

after the work digger and tomalu have put in with the excitement of a night out building u could still pull it off and have a ball sometimes the nights that aren't planned are best

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By *razy-CplCouple  over a year ago

and surrounding areas

Defo think there are people who work with papers here with a profile , had to be as its happening way too often now !

maybe we should call them vanilla nights from now on and to be honest maybe just pm'ing people with an invite is the only option now for meets& greets instead of putting it in the public forums unfortunately

mrs crazy

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

This is a total disgrace, I hope the people/person who did this will get whats coming to them!

We r all consenting adults in this & doing nothing wrong or illegal! Immoral maybe in some peoples eyes..lol...but they all small minded.

We r gutted for Digger & his other organisers who have put so much work into organising this, we won't let this quench our zest for life or our wkend of fun so lets all get behind the organisers & let the spoil sports be shown they won't win.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Who ever sold out and told the paper this needs to be seriously ashamed of themselves.

If the paper bothered to actually investigate what a swing social is they would know that it's a group of people having drinks and what ever happens in their hotel room is their own business.

It's no different to any vanilla night out or wedding or function apart from the fact that we are more open about saying we all love sex.

Ireland in general needs to get out of the stone ages and cop the f**k on. No one is doing anything illegal

"

+1

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Lets all just go to brittas bay in wicklow there is a nudist part off the beach and its very pritave there .it would work lol

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Well fuck it ... thats a balls was looking so forward to it

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Who ever sold out and told the paper this needs to be seriously ashamed of themselves.

If the paper bothered to actually investigate what a swing social is they would know that it's a group of people having drinks and what ever happens in their hotel room is their own business.

It's no different to any vanilla night out or wedding or function apart from the fact that we are more open about saying we all love sex.

Ireland in general needs to get out of the stone ages and cop the f**k on. No one is doing anything illegal "

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Ah crap!!

That's a shame

After all the hard work you guys put in!!

I'm sure there is still going to be some fun to be had this weekend

Babysitters are booked and outfits are bought and horniness levels are raised.....nobody can stop us having our own discrete get together on Saturday or Sunday

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Who ever sold out and told the paper this needs to be seriously ashamed of themselves.

If the paper bothered to actually investigate what a swing social is they would know that it's a group of people having drinks and what ever happens in their hotel room is their own business.

It's no different to any vanilla night out or wedding or function apart from the fact that we are more open about saying we all love sex.

Ireland in general needs to get out of the stone ages and cop the f**k on. No one is doing anything illegal

"

And most raise money for charity

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

What a shame Would have been my first M&G, was so psyched!

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By *ops-244Man  over a year ago

Carlow

Guys I honestly can not believe this is cancelled. If any of you are in Carlow and would like to meet up for discreet chat give me shout I was so looking forward to it

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By *ilderMan  over a year ago

dublin

I'm so p*ssed off, frustrated and angry about this whole situation I could f*cking scream!!!! How dare those narrow minded fools ruin my weekend!!! What was it to them???

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

And considering last wk was the much publicised "pride" wk in dublin, we are all accepting of people's sexuality except when it comes to swingers, it's still seen as so taboo. Seriously sickens me

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Just found out!!! Absolulty ragein...took ages to sort out sitters and a few bob for spendin...Total Wanker whoever ratted...Spitefull Buttmunchers

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By *0shadesofashWoman  over a year ago

DUBLIN


"And considering last wk was the much publicised "pride" wk in dublin, we are all accepting of people's sexuality except when it comes to swingers, it's still seen as so taboo. Seriously sickens me "
I was only just thinkin that about the pride

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By *ops-244Man  over a year ago

Carlow

Ok Guys

Are we really going to let this F**K up all our weekends.

A lot of people have sitters rooms booked etc.

So how about we meet up and hit Carlow anyway?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

thats tough guys,especially after all the hard work you put in.You were very informative and well organised and can we say well done on the effort you put in.

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By *ilderMan  over a year ago

dublin

I've been to many many m and g's and had a great time. I remember at one there was a 21st or similar being held in a function room nearby and a fight broke out and the cops had to be called. I was at another meet in a different hotel a year before that and the cops had to come break up a fight between randomers in the hotel.

Do you think I've ever seems 'trouble' or reason for concern for members of the public at an m and g? No friggin way I have!!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"thats tough guys,especially after all the hard work you put in.You were very informative and well organised and can we say well done on the effort you put in."

Well said guys

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By *ohn MingoMan  over a year ago

Dublin

I was thinking we should take it back underground. Those on kik, we should set up a group chat and organise something ourselves

If people think this is a good idea pm me and we'll swap kiks and set up a chat.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"And considering last wk was the much publicised "pride" wk in dublin, we are all accepting of people's sexuality except when it comes to swingers, it's still seen as so taboo. Seriously sickens me "

Ya do have to wonder what people's beef is, what harm are any of is causing?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


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What a shame Would have been my first M&G, was so psyched! "

Same here , that makes makes two of us

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"And considering last wk was the much publicised "pride" wk in dublin, we are all accepting of people's sexuality except when it comes to swingers, it's still seen as so taboo. Seriously sickens me

Ya do have to wonder what people's beef is, what harm are any of is causing? "

No harm at all, infact I tell my friends coz they all know that I swing, that I find the thoughts of pulling a regular guy in a nightclub mad! I know nothing about him and no know one that he was with so no one can vouch he's a nice guy!

Here, we chat and get to know pie ole before having fun

Surely pulling randomers on a night out is more barbaric then what we do, ywt we are the animals???

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"And considering last wk was the much publicised "pride" wk in dublin, we are all accepting of people's sexuality except when it comes to swingers, it's still seen as so taboo. Seriously sickens me

Ya do have to wonder what people's beef is, what harm are any of is causing?

No harm at all, infact I tell my friends coz they all know that I swing, that I find the thoughts of pulling a regular guy in a nightclub mad! I know nothing about him and no know one that he was with so no one can vouch he's a nice guy!

Here, we chat and get to know pie ole before having fun

Surely pulling randomers on a night out is more barbaric then what we do, ywt we are the animals???"

Agreed Lolli, I think because folk don't know the reality of the site, they imagine it to be some dark devious place, its just not the case

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"And considering last wk was the much publicised "pride" wk in dublin, we are all accepting of people's sexuality except when it comes to swingers, it's still seen as so taboo. Seriously sickens me

Ya do have to wonder what people's beef is, what harm are any of is causing?

No harm at all, infact I tell my friends coz they all know that I swing, that I find the thoughts of pulling a regular guy in a nightclub mad! I know nothing about him and no know one that he was with so no one can vouch he's a nice guy!

Here, we chat and get to know pie ole before having fun

Surely pulling randomers on a night out is more barbaric then what we do, ywt we are the animals???"

well said

Sorry to hear you've had to pull the plug, I hope everyone can sort an alternative so peoples weekend isn't ruined. To many people looking forward to it to let some fuck wit ruin it for everyone.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Am gutted really gutted

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By *ichael McCarthyMan  over a year ago

Lucan

Does anyone have a link to the article, or who has seen it?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Does anyone have a link to the article, or who has seen it? "

It's page 1 and 2 in the paper, not sure if it's online or not

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By *ilderMan  over a year ago

dublin


"Does anyone have a link to the article, or who has seen it?

It's page 1 and 2 in the paper, not sure if it's online or not "

Oh I'm sure it must be an informed, open minded, balanced and enlightening piece.... I'm so glad I'm not from Carlow... Embarrassing

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By *ops-244Man  over a year ago

Carlow

I have saw it guys I went and got it straight away.

Its a load of crap.

Some experienced swinger contacted the paper and told them about it and said

"ordinary people should not have to put up with parties like that he has them in his own home with his wife in private"

He really sounds like an experienced swinger don't he

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"We are really sorry to be posting this but we have been left with no option but to cancel the meet & greet in Carlow

As some of you may be already aware this event has made the front page of The Carlow Nationalist , we respect everyone's privacy and we do not want to expose anyone to unwanted attention

We apologise to everyone who was coming , please make sure you cancel your room's

Once again total apologies we are gutted"

am gutted for you hun xxxx

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I have saw it guys I went and got it straight away.

Its a load of crap.

Some experienced swinger contacted the paper and told them about it and said

"ordinary people should not have to put up with parties like that he has them in his own home with his wife in private"

He really sounds like an experienced swinger don't he "

Lol maybe he's also guilty of posting the "why won't anyone meet us" threads

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Unfortunately, the 'person' who informed the rags are probably reading this now and having a right old laugh!!...

It's a shame that someone was disgruntled enough to ruin this event!

If you all do decide to carry on and go ahead with another plan, don't forget, whoever did this is still in the background!!

Somebody obviously knows the 'Rat' but is unaware of them...

Be careful who you tell, because the 'informer' is clearly someone's 'friend!'

Best of luck and hopefully something else works out for y'all!!

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By *ohn MingoMan  over a year ago

Dublin


"Unfortunately, the 'person' who informed the rags are probably reading this now and having a right old laugh!!...

It's a shame that someone was disgruntled enough to ruin this event!

If you all do decide to carry on and go ahead with another plan, don't forget, whoever did this is still in the background!!

Somebody obviously knows the 'Rat' but is unaware of them...

Be careful who you tell, because the 'informer' is clearly someone's 'friend!'

Best of luck and hopefully something else works out for y'all!! "

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"We are really sorry to be posting this but we have been left with no option but to cancel the meet & greet in Carlow

As some of you may be already aware this event has made the front page of The Carlow Nationalist , we respect everyone's privacy and we do not want to expose anyone to unwanted attention

We apologise to everyone who was coming , please make sure you cancel your room's

Once again total apologies we are gutted"

Oh no that's awful I wasn't going but I can understand the disappointment. How did it get out?

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By *eandmrsjones1Couple  over a year ago

Dublin

Might not be the right place but, would it be good or possible to have a secure members area that is for people that meet certain criteria, like length of membership, paid membership, number of veris and vouched by current secure member.

I know it couldn't be perfect but it would have to be better than any tom dick or harry who can set up a profile and read, and probably put 2 and 2 together. The thing we have to remember is that some people here are not swingers they are here to act the bollix with fake profiles. They have no intention of ever swinging.

Obviously fab would have to start it would a number of secure members and they would have to vouch anyone else after that.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Who ever sold out and told the paper this needs to be seriously ashamed of themselves.

If the paper bothered to actually investigate what a swing social is they would know that it's a group of people having drinks and what ever happens in their hotel room is their own business.

It's no different to any vanilla night out or wedding or function apart from the fact that we are more open about saying we all love sex.

Ireland in general needs to get out of the stone ages and cop the f**k on. No one is doing anything illegal "

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Hi guys we love to meet any cpls this sat night .we ain't going to let them spoilt our night .get in touch and we have a good night xxx

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Gutted I'm not getting my club milk of digger

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Might not be the right place but, would it be good or possible to have a secure members area that is for people that meet certain criteria, like length of membership, paid membership, number of veris and vouched by current secure member.

I know it couldn't be perfect but it would have to be better than any tom dick or harry who can set up a profile and read, and probably put 2 and 2 together. The thing we have to remember is that some people here are not swingers they are here to act the bollix with fake profiles. They have no intention of ever swinging.

Obviously fab would have to start it would a number of secure members and they would have to vouch anyone else after that. "

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By *ops-244Man  over a year ago

Carlow

Sexytwosome1

How about Carlow Saturday night few drinks get a few going?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I have saw it guys I went and got it straight away.

Its a load of crap.

Some experienced swinger contacted the paper and told them about it and said

"ordinary people should not have to put up with parties like that he has them in his own home with his wife in private"

He really sounds like an experienced swinger don't he "

Cos he didn't get an invite ....gobshite

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Sexytwosome1

How about Carlow Saturday night few drinks get a few going? "

Will be about to for a drink if anyone is interested

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By *excockMan  over a year ago

waterford


"Might not be the right place but, would it be good or possible to have a secure members area that is for people that meet certain criteria, like length of membership, paid membership, number of veris and vouched by current secure member.

I know it couldn't be perfect but it would have to be better than any tom dick or harry who can set up a profile and read, and probably put 2 and 2 together. The thing we have to remember is that some people here are not swingers they are here to act the bollix with fake profiles. They have no intention of ever swinging.

Obviously fab would have to start it would a number of secure members and they would have to vouch anyone else after that. "

I think that's a great idea... we do need to keep the meets private.. no more advertising the locations n dates.. the forum is not the best place anymore to arrange things.

Would Fab be interested in setting up another secure area on this site? Prob not... we may have to do it ourselfs with kik or emails... n again be very selective who gets an invite.

It might b a case of each area having a local meet first..to out the messers.. if someone's not bothered to meet locally..their not gonna meet in a bigger group.

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By *ohn MingoMan  over a year ago

Dublin

If enough are going to hang around I will too. Had my heart set on going and that hasn't changed yet.

Fuck the begrudgers

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By *lo1 slo2Couple  over a year ago

newry

I'm so sorry to hear this and gutted for all concerned. If anyone had of told me how much work was involved in organizing one off these event I would have said no way it is that bad but it bloody is!!! My nerves in the last week were shot to pieces.

I hope these jealous small minded people don't put you off because at the end of the day you were doing this for others benefit and deserve great credit for organizing it. Keep up the good work.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan  over a year ago

Lucan


"Might not be the right place but, would it be good or possible to have a secure members area that is for people that meet certain criteria, like length of membership, paid membership, number of veris and vouched by current secure member.

I know it couldn't be perfect but it would have to be better than any tom dick or harry who can set up a profile and read, and probably put 2 and 2 together. The thing we have to remember is that some people here are not swingers they are here to act the bollix with fake profiles. They have no intention of ever swinging.

Obviously fab would have to start it would a number of secure members and they would have to vouch anyone else after that. "

Sure you don't need to be a member at all to read the discussions on the forum. I'm quite sure any journalist could have written whatever is in that article without having to get information from any member here. Mind you, I haven't seen the article either so I can't be sure of that, but there's a serious danger of some "Salem witch trial" type happenings here at the moment.

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By *usky Couple01Couple  over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

Its a shame that the meet and greet been canclled we was realy looking forword to it as our first meet and greet oh well just to wait till the 12th then

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Who ever sold out and told the paper this needs to be seriously ashamed of themselves.

If the paper bothered to actually investigate what a swing social is they would know that it's a group of people having drinks and what ever happens in their hotel room is their own business.

It's no different to any vanilla night out or wedding or function apart from the fact that we are more open about saying we all love sex.

Ireland in general needs to get out of the stone ages and cop the f**k on. No one is doing anything illegal "

Sooo true....a bunch of flipping prudes....i think sex with the lights out missionary style is long gone....obviously not lol....

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Fuckin he'll thats a kick in teeth to the organisers and all who were going.

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By *aid backMan  over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out

the legion of mary are alive and well in little backward ireland

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By *ingerrrrWoman  over a year ago

Meath

So sorry to hear this has happened to you.

My event last oct had similar ejits trying to sabotage..

I just don't get why some feel the need to spoil the fun for others. Hope this doesn't put u off organising events in the future!

X

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

The article contained direct quotes from the forums

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By *aid backMan  over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out


"The article contained direct quotes from the forums "

the thing is u dont even need o log in to read the forums which is a bit strange

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By *ohn MingoMan  over a year ago

Dublin


"The article contained direct quotes from the forums

the thing is u dont even need o log in to read the forums which is a bit strange

"

yeah, that really doesnt make sense.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Sorry to hear this for all who were planning to go

From reading this thread sounds like the said paper article is a good auld bit of Irish NIMBYism.

Have the locals yapping about something for the week!

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By *avie tCouple  over a year ago

otherside of nowhere

So sorry to hear your nite was ruined... Nothing like this should be discussed on the forum ever again....but a lesson to be learned from this I think...keep everything to p.m.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The article contained direct quotes from the forums

the thing is u dont even need o log in to read the forums which is a bit strange

yeah, that really doesnt make sense."

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"So sorry to hear your nite was ruined... Nothing like this should be discussed on the forum ever again....but a lesson to be learned from this I think...keep everything to p.m. "

Totally

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Jeez I wasnt even going and I am gutted for you all. Such a shame.

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By *aid backMan  over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out

there is a way to arrange things privatly digger ill send u on info digger

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Its grand doing things by pm but you pm genuine people and they pm other genuine people but there in some here verified or unverified who knows . Who chose to leak info and ruin things for the rest .

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I agree try keep as much info to pm too many non invited dickwads wanna spoil our fun..Such a shame their so narrow minded and above all partyfuckers !!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

some ppl must get a joy out of ruining other ppls fun.. i wasnt goin but am angry for the ppl who were.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Its grand doing things by pm but you pm genuine people and they pm other genuine people but there in some here verified or unverified who knows . Who chose to leak info and ruin things for the rest . "

Still in shock to be fair!!

Gutted!

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By *arlow77Man  over a year ago

carlow

Fuck it was looking forward to meeting a few new people, so gutted for digger.

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By *oandWexCouple  over a year ago

arklow

Im gutted with the way things they end up after all the work done so people could enjoy another great night.

Was looking forward to this one as was the 1st one in long time we would go and enjoy without the stress to organize.

I know the feeling of the organizers as same happen with us last year with the burlesque party.

And if someone decide come to brittas beach let us know as we are just 15 in away.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I actually thought the papers would be tired of swingers by now...

I mean it's no different than any club anywhere in the country on a Saturday night,

We go out socialise and we may or may not end up having sex with somebody...

Is that not what thousands of people every night over the weekends do?

But let the small minds have their day. ...

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By *aid backMan  over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out


"Its grand doing things by pm but you pm genuine people and they pm other genuine people but there in some here verified or unverified who knows . Who chose to leak info and ruin things for the rest . "

i think from now on the actual venue should be kept private till the last min and just let people know the town etc early enough so they can book hotels etc

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By *ichael McCarthyMan  over a year ago

Lucan


"

... And if someone decide come to brittas beach let us know as we are just 15 in away. "

Do you live in the dunes?

15 inches away from the beach?

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By *oandWexCouple  over a year ago

arklow


"

... And if someone decide come to brittas beach let us know as we are just 15 in away.

Do you live in the dunes?

15 inches away from the beach? "

lol mean 15 min

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

sorry to hear about this. irish people have nothing better to do than minding what other people do and judging them if they dont do it them selves.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"sorry to hear about this. irish people have nothing better to do than minding what other people do and judging them if they dont do it them selves.

"

Thats so true still stuck in the black n white oul days..crazy!!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

How discuting these people are and just jealous because they have folk all else to do than preach the gospel according to their dryness and cobwebbed private parts. Bad cess to them

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Inevitable really, in such a small town...its sad that anything like this can really only take place in one of the cities to fully avoid any father ted-itis

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By *ecretly seductiveWoman  over a year ago

Palookaville


"Who ever sold out and told the paper this needs to be seriously ashamed of themselves.

If the paper bothered to actually investigate what a swing social is they would know that it's a group of people having drinks and what ever happens in their hotel room is their own business.

It's no different to any vanilla night out or wedding or function apart from the fact that we are more open about saying we all love sex.

Ireland in general needs to get out of the stone ages and cop the f**k on. No one is doing anything illegal

"

how spiteful! That's a shame guys it sounded amazing! Feel For ya all as so much goes into planning ie babysitters. . Travel. Hotels etc. Hateful thing to do

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"And considering last wk was the much publicised "pride" wk in dublin, we are all accepting of people's sexuality except when it comes to swingers, it's still seen as so taboo. Seriously sickens me "

Well said..

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Jeez I wasnt even going and I am gutted for you all. Such a shame. "

Ya totally with you that. I hate hearing when this happens. Looks likes ye put in a lot of work guys. Such a pity.

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By *excockMan  over a year ago

waterford


"Might not be the right place but, would it be good or possible to have a secure members area that is for people that meet certain criteria, like length of membership, paid membership, number of veris and vouched by current secure member.

I know it couldn't be perfect but it would have to be better than any tom dick or harry who can set up a profile and read, and probably put 2 and 2 together. The thing we have to remember is that some people here are not swingers they are here to act the bollix with fake profiles. They have no intention of ever swinging.

Obviously fab would have to start it would a number of secure members and they would have to vouch anyone else after that.

I think that's a great idea... we do need to keep the meets private.. no more advertising the locations n dates.. the forum is not the best place anymore to arrange things.

Would Fab be interested in setting up another secure area on this site? Prob not... we may have to do it ourselfs with kik or emails... n again be very selective who gets an invite.

It might b a case of each area having a local meet first..to out the messers.. if someone's not bothered to meet locally..their not gonna meet in a bigger group. "

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Might not be the right place but, would it be good or possible to have a secure members area that is for people that meet certain criteria, like length of membership, paid membership, number of veris and vouched by current secure member.

I know it couldn't be perfect but it would have to be better than any tom dick or harry who can set up a profile and read, and probably put 2 and 2 together. The thing we have to remember is that some people here are not swingers they are here to act the bollix with fake profiles. They have no intention of ever swinging.

Obviously fab would have to start it would a number of secure members and they would have to vouch anyone else after that. "

Totally agree! Paying members should have their own page for events to make it more secure but unfortunately the rat could also be a paying member so never safe!!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"And considering last wk was the much publicised "pride" wk in dublin, we are all accepting of people's sexuality except when it comes to swingers, it's still seen as so taboo. Seriously sickens me "

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By *rishpleasureMan  over a year ago

about


"Might not be the right place but, would it be good or possible to have a secure members area that is for people that meet certain criteria, like length of membership, paid membership, number of veris and vouched by current secure member.

I know it couldn't be perfect but it would have to be better than any tom dick or harry who can set up a profile and read, and probably put 2 and 2 together. The thing we have to remember is that some people here are not swingers they are here to act the bollix with fake profiles. They have no intention of ever swinging.

Obviously fab would have to start it would a number of secure members and they would have to vouch anyone else after that.

I think that's a great idea... we do need to keep the meets private.. no more advertising the locations n dates.. the forum is not the best place anymore to arrange things.

Would Fab be interested in setting up another secure area on this site? Prob not... we may have to do it ourselfs with kik or emails... n again be very selective who gets an invite.

It might b a case of each area having a local meet first..to out the messers.. if someone's not bothered to meet locally..their not gonna meet in a bigger group. "

Once a site has free membership you will have messers and less than desirables. Press will pay for membership so a secure site won't add anything. While it is reprehensible that someone leaked has it become more likely as these events are getting bigger and bigger? We have the catch 22 of moving something mainstream while many of those attending want to remain understandably anonymous.

I am sorry to see the work done by the organisers end up with this.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

OMG you put huge amount of effort into it.. why is this happening to much recently.. i only told about it now but i know u put so much hard work into it.. xxx

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By *azsinsMan  over a year ago

Belfast


"We are really sorry to be posting this but we have been left with no option but to cancel the meet & greet in Carlow

As some of you may be already aware this event has made the front page of The Carlow Nationalist , we respect everyone's privacy and we do not want to expose anyone to unwanted attention

We apologise to everyone who was coming , please make sure you cancel your room's

Once again total apologies we are gutted"

Feel for you guys and once again the real fab community, instead of turning on you have supported you and understand the hard work you put in to make this happen.

Not only that they still want to go and have fun!

Go for it guys, you have hotel rooms booked babysitters organised, meet anyway and have a great weekend!!!

Keep swinging xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"We are really sorry to be posting this but we have been left with no option but to cancel the meet & greet in Carlow

As some of you may be already aware this event has made the front page of The Carlow Nationalist , we respect everyone's privacy and we do not want to expose anyone to unwanted attention

We apologise to everyone who was coming , please make sure you cancel your room's

Once again total apologies we are gutted

Feel for you guys and once again the real fab community, instead of turning on you have supported you and understand the hard work you put in to make this happen.

Not only that they still want to go and have fun!

Go for it guys, you have hotel rooms booked babysitters organised, meet anyway and have a great weekend!!!

Keep swinging xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

"

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By *ardtofindMan  over a year ago

galway

I can't believe how that there's an ass hole out there who is bad minded enough to upst eeveryone's plan's especially after all the hard work put in by the organisers. Ye should still go ahead with something But keep new location a closely guarded secret

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"We are really sorry to be posting this but we have been left with no option but to cancel the meet & greet in Carlow

As some of you may be already aware this event has made the front page of The Carlow Nationalist , we respect everyone's privacy and we do not want to expose anyone to unwanted attention

We apologise to everyone who was coming , please make sure you cancel your room's

Once again total apologies we are gutted

Feel for you guys and once again the real fab community, instead of turning on you have supported you and understand the hard work you put in to make this happen.

Not only that they still want to go and have fun!

Go for it guys, you have hotel rooms booked babysitters organised, meet anyway and have a great weekend!!!

Keep swinging xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

"

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By *heButterflyCoupleCouple  over a year ago

Wicklow

Oh my God, that's AWFUL!! Stupid fucking media, why can't they fucking stay out of people's lives??! We weren't going to the party ourselves but I know the planning that goes into organising to get there, not to mention the work that has to be done by the organisers!!

It's fucking ridiculous!! And sadly there's no way to stop the media from nosing on the site! That thick bitch on the Late Late Show a few weeks ago brought attention to swingers and now the media will hone in on it at any opportunity!! Forums should be made private so that you have to be a member of the site to read them.

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By *upoftea2Man  over a year ago

Dublin

Patience, folks. It's silly season for the media at the moment.

Soon they'll be distracted again with the budget and a cabinet reshuffle.

Then we'll play away as usual.

Patience for now...

(And a major pain for the organisers...)

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By *ichael McCarthyMan  over a year ago

Lucan

Newspapers put stuff in papers that they believe will sell. The media is a symptom rather than the whole issue. It's a societal thing, and religion isn't the whole problem either. I'm still curious about the article itself. Did it have details that could only come from an insider? Did it know the venue, for example. Mind you, Carlow isn't that big, so I'm sure a local hack could make a couple of educated guesses?

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By *imwildWoman  over a year ago

around


"Newspapers put stuff in papers that they believe will sell. The media is a symptom rather than the whole issue. It's a societal thing, and religion isn't the whole problem either. I'm still curious about the article itself. Did it have details that could only come from an insider? Did it know the venue, for example. Mind you, Carlow isn't that big, so I'm sure a local hack could make a couple of educated guesses? "

I totally agree. I'm guessing it wouldn't be that difficult to figure out venue once you have town and date.

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By *imwildWoman  over a year ago

around


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Once a site has free membership you will have messers and less than desirables. Press will pay for membership so a secure site won't add anything. While it is reprehensible that someone leaked has it become more likely as these events are getting bigger and bigger? We have the catch 22 of moving something mainstream while many of those attending want to remain understandably anonymous.

I am sorry to see the work done by the organisers end up with this."

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Oh my God, that's AWFUL!! Stupid fucking media, why can't they fucking stay out of people's lives??! We weren't going to the party ourselves but I know the planning that goes into organising to get there, not to mention the work that has to be done by the organisers!!

It's fucking ridiculous!! And sadly

there's no way to stop the media from nosing on the site! That thick bitch on the Late Late Show a few weeks ago brought attention to swingers and now the media will hone in on it at any opportunity!! Forums should be made private so that you have to be a member of the site to read them."

Totes agree with ye. Now I wasn't going but ffs it's like this country is in the stoneage with all the shit they talk about swinging. And yeah that hag on the late late was a cunt the way she went on about things

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Im gutted but more so for you ppl that put all the effort in to organise a night for all us. I know most can't thank you enough for all you done. Hope this does not stop you trying again.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan  over a year ago

Lucan


"Im gutted but more so for you ppl that put all the effort in to organise a night for all us. I know most can't thank you enough for all you done. Hope this does not stop you trying again. "

Welcome back

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Why thank you its good to be back.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Just saw the article with a big picture on the cover of The Nationalist. That's why any kind of adult parties in small towns is very fragile in terms of privacy. Dublin,Cork a bit better,but still you never know when undercover journalist will make his way into the party to get headline story and next thing your pic (hope with blur face)will hit the front pages.

Everyone is doing that and enjoying sex in one way or another,but still is a big deal. Lets ban Love Honey site and all sex toys in generalOn the Valentine night,probably in every occupied room,wild party for two going on...)

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By *ohnsmithMan  over a year ago

South Tipperary


"Who ever sold out and told the paper this needs to be seriously ashamed of themselves.

If the paper bothered to actually investigate what a swing social is they would know that it's a group of people having drinks and what ever happens in their hotel room is their own business.

It's no different to any vanilla night out or wedding or function apart from the fact that we are more open about saying we all love sex.

Ireland in general needs to get out of the stone ages and cop the f**k on. No one is doing anything illegal "

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Who ever sold out and told the paper this needs to be seriously ashamed of themselves.

If the paper bothered to actually investigate what a swing social is they would know that it's a group of people having drinks and what ever happens in their hotel room is their own business.

It's no different to any vanilla night out or wedding or function apart from the fact that we are more open about saying we all love sex.

Ireland in general needs to get out of the stone ages and cop the f**k on. No one is doing anything illegal "

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Hi we are going to make a niight of it this sat night in carlow .hotel booked and meeting a very sexy couple and looking looking for one more cpl to join us. xx

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

so sorry to hear this meet n great has been cancelled ,, typical Ireland at its worst , consenting adults having a well behaved party n well organized . it makes me sick to be Irish at times how backward this country really is , So small minded people we are surrounded with . I have been around the world and only in Ireland would this happen . I for one will never been influence by ignorant people or by a paper looking for news to print , LIVE YOUR LIVES PEOPLE ONCE NO ONE GETS HURTS.

sorry for the organizers for the work they put in .

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By *ichael McCarthyMan  over a year ago

Lucan


"so sorry to hear this meet n great has been cancelled ,, typical Ireland at its worst , consenting adults having a well behaved party n well organized . it makes me sick to be Irish at times how backward this country really is , So small minded people we are surrounded with . I have been around the world and only in Ireland would this happen . I for one will never been influence by ignorant people or by a paper looking for news to print , LIVE YOUR LIVES PEOPLE ONCE NO ONE GETS HURTS.

sorry for the organizers for the work they put in ."

"only in Ireland"?

I think the countries with sharia law might disagree with you.

Uganda isn't big into it either.

The Tibetans are divils for running to the papers as well with this sort of thing

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"so sorry to hear this meet n great has been cancelled ,, typical Ireland at its worst , consenting adults having a well behaved party n well organized . it makes me sick to be Irish at times how backward this country really is , So small minded people we are surrounded with . I have been around the world and only in Ireland would this happen . I for one will never been influence by ignorant people or by a paper looking for news to print , LIVE YOUR LIVES PEOPLE ONCE NO ONE GETS HURTS.

sorry for the organizers for the work they put in ."

EXACTLY THIS!!!!

What consenting adults do amongst themselves is NO-ONES business but their own!!!

Wayyyyyy too many people are too quick to pass judgement on something they know damn all about!!!

I wasn't going to this meet and greet but i've been to a few others and shock horror we didn't spend the whole night abusing each other sexually or otherwise!!! In fact at a couple of them i didn't play at all,just had a really really good social night with like minded people!!! So Ladies and Gents don't let the narrow minded, backward begrudgers ruin the weekend for ye

Something i will NEVER understand is why there is always some arsehole to try and ruin things for others,some people have no life and just aren't happy and they can't stand to see others happy either,it's so SAD and a good dose of cop on is badly required!

xxx

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

we still headn down why waste all our planning hope to meet up with who ever there

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

They've actually put up a post on their Facebook account looking for a couple to contact them "anonymously" for an interview. Its not being well received though, most of the comments are slagging them off.

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By *0shadesofashWoman  over a year ago

DUBLIN


"They've actually put up a post on their Facebook account looking for a couple to contact them "anonymously" for an interview. Its not being well received though, most of the comments are slagging them off."
the hotel did?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"They've actually put up a post on their Facebook account looking for a couple to contact them "anonymously" for an interview. Its not being well received though, most of the comments are slagging them off. the hotel did?"

No the newspaper. They must struggle to create a moral panic during the summer when the students aren't vomiting all over the town

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By *accyjMan  over a year ago

dublin

carlow nationalist front page

https://www.facebook.com/CarlowNationalist?ref=ts&fref=ts

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The comments on face book are so funny

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