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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Put a thread up about coaching kids before! This evening I train under 8's! 21 kids if all there and only 2 coaches! How do u get more helpers on bored and more involved? It's crazy trying to manage them! U need eyes in the back of your head! Any ideas would be good |
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By *aid backMan
over a year ago
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"Put a thread up about coaching kids before! This evening I train under 8's! 21 kids if all there and only 2 coaches! How do u get more helpers on bored and more involved? It's crazy trying to manage them! U need eyes in the back of your head! Any ideas would be good "
just split them into 2 groups one group does fittness the other skill/drills |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Put a thread up about coaching kids before! This evening I train under 8's! 21 kids if all there and only 2 coaches! How do u get more helpers on bored and more involved? It's crazy trying to manage them! U need eyes in the back of your head! Any ideas would be good
just split them into 2 groups one group does fittness the other skill/drills "
we can't as helpers not there! It might be me on my own some weeks for half session as other lad gets delayed! |
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I guarantee there will at least one or two parents who are stood watching or in their cars..
I always tell them as they're still there they have a job 
Split them into groups..
You show what needs to be done in the game get parents to keep an eye on each group.. while you float between the 2/3 groups..
And its games..not drills..
Kids learn more from fun games.. keep them busy..
Ive done loads of coaching.. google small sided games or footy for kids..
Eg.. stuck in the mud is great warm up game.. simple and involves them all..
I could gp on lol |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"After listening to you alienate practically everyone on the forum I have a vague idea as to why you can't get any parents to help you out.
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dont talk about stuff u know nothing about |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Try puttin adds up I'm sure there's loads that would like to help "
its actually quiet the opposite! Were trying to get parents involved but they use it as a babysitting service
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"Try puttin adds up I'm sure there's loads that would like to help
Hmm I could do with some coaching if your free . "
I could always ask my fella I'm sure he wouldn hav a prob directing u wer to go haha |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I guarantee there will at least one or two parents who are stood watching or in their cars..
I always tell them as they're still there they have a job
Split them into groups..
You show what needs to be done in the game get parents to keep an eye on each group.. while you float between the 2/3 groups..
And its games..not drills..
Kids learn more from fun games.. keep them busy..
Ive done loads of coaching.. google small sided games or footy for kids..
Eg.. stuck in the mud is great warm up game.. simple and involves them all..
I could gp on lol"
ye do all that! The problem is lack of helpers |
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"Try puttin adds up I'm sure there's loads that would like to help
Hmm I could do with some coaching if your free . I could always ask my fella I'm sure he wouldn hav a prob directing u wer to go haha "
Lmao its not sports coaching im in need of ..;-) im always looking to improve on technique in other things though .. you can never know enough .. |
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"Try puttin adds up I'm sure there's loads that would like to help
Hmm I could do with some coaching if your free . I could always ask my fella I'm sure he wouldn hav a prob directing u wer to go haha
Lmao its not sports coaching im in need of ..;-) im always looking to improve on technique in other things though .. you can never know enough .."
think there's always room for improvement with everyone |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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if there are not enough helpers and you don't feel comfortable handling them on your own or the two of you, ask parents to help or cancel due to lack of helpers.
You rather be safe than sorry.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"if there are not enough helpers and you don't feel comfortable handling them on your own or the two of you, ask parents to help or cancel due to lack of helpers.
You rather be safe than sorry.
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that's the thing with parents! They treat it like a crèche |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Send letters home with the kids asking all the parents for help supporting the kids you may find one or two. Lay the guilt trip. There's bounds to be some parents willing. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"if there are not enough helpers and you don't feel comfortable handling them on your own or the two of you, ask parents to help or cancel due to lack of helpers.
You rather be safe than sorry.
that's the thing with parents! They treat it like a crèche "
that's not what I said. I gave you a solution. So have many others, but you find fault in each of them. Don't ask for help if you can't take it. Maybe instead of using your time on here picking on our solutions, pick up the phone and ask parents. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"if there are not enough helpers and you don't feel comfortable handling them on your own or the two of you, ask parents to help or cancel due to lack of helpers.
You rather be safe than sorry.
that's the thing with parents! They treat it like a crèche
that's not what I said. I gave you a solution. So have many others, but you find fault in each of them. Don't ask for help if you can't take it. Maybe instead of using your time on here picking on our solutions, pick up the phone and ask parents. "
u always come back with the same thing! I have read peoples solutions! All have been tried bar one! It's been said by many within the club that parents treat it like a crèche and not a training session where help is needed! U said ask parents to help! It's been done with a lot and I gave the response |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"if there are not enough helpers and you don't feel comfortable handling them on your own or the two of you, ask parents to help or cancel due to lack of helpers.
You rather be safe than sorry.
that's the thing with parents! They treat it like a crèche
that's not what I said. I gave you a solution. So have many others, but you find fault in each of them. Don't ask for help if you can't take it. Maybe instead of using your time on here picking on our solutions, pick up the phone and ask parents. u always come back with the same thing! I have read peoples solutions! All have been tried bar one! It's been said by many within the club that parents treat it like a crèche and not a training session where help is needed! U said ask parents to help! It's been done with a lot and I gave the response "
that's not what I said. I gave you a solution. So have many others, but you find fault in each of them. Don't ask for help if you can't take it. Maybe instead of using your time on here picking on our solutions, pick up the phone and ask parents.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"if there are not enough helpers and you don't feel comfortable handling them on your own or the two of you, ask parents to help or cancel due to lack of helpers.
You rather be safe than sorry.
that's the thing with parents! They treat it like a crèche
that's not what I said. I gave you a solution. So have many others, but you find fault in each of them. Don't ask for help if you can't take it. Maybe instead of using your time on here picking on our solutions, pick up the phone and ask parents. u always come back with the same thing! I have read peoples solutions! All have been tried bar one! It's been said by many within the club that parents treat it like a crèche and not a training session where help is needed! U said ask parents to help! It's been done with a lot and I gave the response
that's not what I said. I gave you a solution. So have many others, but you find fault in each of them. Don't ask for help if you can't take it. Maybe instead of using your time on here picking on our solutions, pick up the phone and ask parents.
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jesus how many times have I said to u, read what's written . Parents have been asked in large numbers! U used the words "ask the parents"! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"if there are not enough helpers and you don't feel comfortable handling them on your own or the two of you, ask parents to help or cancel due to lack of helpers.
You rather be safe than sorry.
that's the thing with parents! They treat it like a crèche
that's not what I said. I gave you a solution. So have many others, but you find fault in each of them. Don't ask for help if you can't take it. Maybe instead of using your time on here picking on our solutions, pick up the phone and ask parents. u always come back with the same thing! I have read peoples solutions! All have been tried bar one! It's been said by many within the club that parents treat it like a crèche and not a training session where help is needed! U said ask parents to help! It's been done with a lot and I gave the response
that's not what I said. I gave you a solution. So have many others, but you find fault in each of them. Don't ask for help if you can't take it. Maybe instead of using your time on here picking on our solutions, pick up the phone and ask parents.
jesus how many times have I said to u, read what's written . Parents have been asked in large numbers! U used the words "ask the parents"!"
u can't cancel training sessions when u have games comming up |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"if there are not enough helpers and you don't feel comfortable handling them on your own or the two of you, ask parents to help or cancel due to lack of helpers.
You rather be safe than sorry.
that's the thing with parents! They treat it like a crèche
that's not what I said. I gave you a solution. So have many others, but you find fault in each of them. Don't ask for help if you can't take it. Maybe instead of using your time on here picking on our solutions, pick up the phone and ask parents. u always come back with the same thing! I have read peoples solutions! All have been tried bar one! It's been said by many within the club that parents treat it like a crèche and not a training session where help is needed! U said ask parents to help! It's been done with a lot and I gave the response
that's not what I said. I gave you a solution. So have many others, but you find fault in each of them. Don't ask for help if you can't take it. Maybe instead of using your time on here picking on our solutions, pick up the phone and ask parents.
jesus how many times have I said to u, read what's written . Parents have been asked in large numbers! U used the words "ask the parents"!"
that's not what I said. I gave you a solution. So have many others, but you find fault in each of them. Don't ask for help if you can't take it. Maybe instead of using your time on here picking on our solutions, pick up the phone and ask parents.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"if there are not enough helpers and you don't feel comfortable handling them on your own or the two of you, ask parents to help or cancel due to lack of helpers.
You rather be safe than sorry.
that's the thing with parents! They treat it like a crèche
that's not what I said. I gave you a solution. So have many others, but you find fault in each of them. Don't ask for help if you can't take it. Maybe instead of using your time on here picking on our solutions, pick up the phone and ask parents. u always come back with the same thing! I have read peoples solutions! All have been tried bar one! It's been said by many within the club that parents treat it like a crèche and not a training session where help is needed! U said ask parents to help! It's been done with a lot and I gave the response
that's not what I said. I gave you a solution. So have many others, but you find fault in each of them. Don't ask for help if you can't take it. Maybe instead of using your time on here picking on our solutions, pick up the phone and ask parents.
jesus how many times have I said to u, read what's written . Parents have been asked in large numbers! U used the words "ask the parents"!
that's not what I said. I gave you a solution. So have many others, but you find fault in each of them. Don't ask for help if you can't take it. Maybe instead of using your time on here picking on our solutions, pick up the phone and ask parents.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"if there are not enough helpers and you don't feel comfortable handling them on your own or the two of you, ask parents to help or cancel due to lack of helpers.
You rather be safe than sorry.
that's the thing with parents! They treat it like a crèche
that's not what I said. I gave you a solution. So have many others, but you find fault in each of them. Don't ask for help if you can't take it. Maybe instead of using your time on here picking on our solutions, pick up the phone and ask parents. u always come back with the same thing! I have read peoples solutions! All have been tried bar one! It's been said by many within the club that parents treat it like a crèche and not a training session where help is needed! U said ask parents to help! It's been done with a lot and I gave the response
that's not what I said. I gave you a solution. So have many others, but you find fault in each of them. Don't ask for help if you can't take it. Maybe instead of using your time on here picking on our solutions, pick up the phone and ask parents.
jesus how many times have I said to u, read what's written . Parents have been asked in large numbers! U used the words "ask the parents"!
that's not what I said. I gave you a solution. So have many others, but you find fault in each of them. Don't ask for help if you can't take it. Maybe instead of using your time on here picking on our solutions, pick up the phone and ask parents.
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Well then seems that there's not a lot of support for the club if you can't find anyone willing to help. Do all clubs in the area suffer the same plight |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Stay clear of parents!! They start helping out then your head will go mad it will be why isn't my stevo jr playing!!! U no I'm a coach now too so I want him in or I'm not helping out emotional blackmail even tho they no stevo jr is shit lol
When I was younger are team had only one coach and he needed help so what he did was went to the local collages and put up a notice looking for anyone looking to be a p.e teacher to get in contact cause it gives them confidence to work around kids etc so helps them out and they will do it for free and will have new idears etc without taking over
Tho just an idea |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Stay clear of parents!! They start helping out then your head will go mad it will be why isn't my stevo jr playing!!! U no I'm a coach now too so I want him in or I'm not helping out emotional blackmail even tho they no stevo jr is shit lol
When I was younger are team had only one coach and he needed help so what he did was went to the local collages and put up a notice looking for anyone looking to be a p.e teacher to get in contact cause it gives them confidence to work around kids etc so helps them out and they will do it for free and will have new idears etc without taking over
Tho just an idea "
see the club don't want it made broadcast knowledge that the club is lacking in people to help out!
Like under 6 n 8 are nightmares and the hardest to get helpers for |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Stay clear of parents!! They start helping out then your head will go mad it will be why isn't my stevo jr playing!!! U no I'm a coach now too so I want him in or I'm not helping out emotional blackmail even tho they no stevo jr is shit lol
When I was younger are team had only one coach and he needed help so what he did was went to the local collages and put up a notice looking for anyone looking to be a p.e teacher to get in contact cause it gives them confidence to work around kids etc so helps them out and they will do it for free and will have new idears etc without taking over
Tho just an idea see the club don't want it made broadcast knowledge that the club is lacking in people to help out!
Like under 6 n 8 are nightmares and the hardest to get helpers for "
Is the club man utd ?? Lol
All out of serious idears sorry |
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"Try puttin adds up I'm sure there's loads that would like to help
Hmm I could do with some coaching if your free . I could always ask my fella I'm sure he wouldn hav a prob directing u wer to go haha
Lmao its not sports coaching im in need of ..;-) im always looking to improve on technique in other things though .. you can never know enough .. think there's always room for improvement with everyone "
How do I like this comment !! |
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By *ongbow71Man
over a year ago
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"Send letters home with the kids asking all the parents for help supporting the kids you may find one or two. Lay the guilt trip. There's bounds to be some parents willing. "
Make sure you say that sessions will have to be cancelled if no-one comes forward. Guilt trip all the way... |
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By *ongbow71Man
over a year ago
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It looks like your stuck between a rock and a hard place. You have asked the parents who are not willing to help. The club does not want you to advertise externally as it does not want to admit it needs help.
I would say you have two choices.
1) Grit your teeth and get on with it
2) Tell the club you can't do it by yourself and quit
Which you take is up to you |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"It looks like your stuck between a rock and a hard place. You have asked the parents who are not willing to help. The club does not want you to advertise externally as it does not want to admit it needs help.
I would say you have two choices.
1) Grit your teeth and get on with it
2) Tell the club you can't do it by yourself and quit
Which you take is up to you"
i know and at this present moment it's only me there next week as the other chap is working |
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By *ongbow71Man
over a year ago
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Which you take is up to you
i know and at this present moment it's only me there next week as the other chap is working "
You need to decide if all the effort and hassle you put in is worth it.
Another consideration is your own safety. If you are the only adult with 22 children and one makes an allegation against you, then you will find yourself in the shit, even though the allegation is false.
The club should also have a child protection policy that it must adhere to. Might be worth getting a copy of that and see what it says. If you need more people for the number of kids then the club *must* address this. Don't put yourself at risk |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Which you take is up to you
i know and at this present moment it's only me there next week as the other chap is working
You need to decide if all the effort and hassle you put in is worth it.
Another consideration is your own safety. If you are the only adult with 22 children and one makes an allegation against you, then you will find yourself in the shit, even though the allegation is false.
The club should also have a child protection policy that it must adhere to. Might be worth getting a copy of that and see what it says. If you need more people for the number of kids then the club *must* address this. Don't put yourself at risk"
i thought of that myself! I imagine it's against the rules to have one adult with a group of children! it's amazing how lazy some people can be but I know work plays a dirty part in it to |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I'm only a mere woman but involved in our club here , no adult should be alone with any group of children .... Child protection ..... Ask the older lads to help supervise |
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By *ongbow71Man
over a year ago
Bangor, Norn Iron |
Maybe go to Citizens Advice (or whatever it's called down there) and see where you stand as you may be breaking the law and potentially liable to prosecution. If this is the case I'd cancel all training, regardless of upcoming matches until the situation is resolved by the club. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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" Maybe go to Citizens Advice (or whatever it's called down there) and see where you stand as you may be breaking the law and potentially liable to prosecution. If this is the case I'd cancel all training, regardless of upcoming matches until the situation is resolved by the club."
thanks for advice |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Parents only treat it like a crèche if you let them! At that age if something happened to a child you would be up shit creek! Tell them to stay or take their child with them, simple as! If the parents don't respect the coaches neither will the child.
The code of ethics of any sport will tell you that the coach/child ratio is not acceptable and you shouldn't be coaching like that as the learn nothing! And before the smart comment I'm a qualified coach in 3 sports |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Just quit and stop bitchin about it lol :D i know how there's some nice people on here but them people are here for some no strings fun as you say theyre not lookin to coach the under 6's :P lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Put a thread up about coaching kids before! This evening I train under 8's! 21 kids if all there and only 2 coaches! How do u get more helpers on bored and more involved? It's crazy trying to manage them! U need eyes in the back of your head! Any ideas would be good "
If you really want help on an on going basis then get on to the local court office and put the clubs name forward to accept a volunteer that has been put on community service, they can only allocate someone that is suitable for the role and its a perfect chance for them to put something back into the community for their misdemeanours
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Any coach must be Garda vested now to work with kids so I don't think that one will work "
Of course it could work, just because they have a demeanour doesn't mean they can't work with kids. They will only put suitable candidates forward for it |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Any coach must be Garda vested now to work with kids so I don't think that one will work "
we all have to be Garda vetted on a yearly basis! U can get into serious trouble leaving anybody whose not Garda vetted near kids
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"I'm only a mere woman but involved in our club here , no adult should be alone with any group of children .... Child protection ..... Ask the older lads to help supervise "
Not a "mere woman" - more a smart lady! 
Contact your sport's governing body and they will advise on all child protection issues, including child/coach ratios.
Helga is right - you CANNOT take the group yourself. If that is going to happen, you have no choice but to cancel the session  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The current ratio of adults to kids is 1:6 for children 4-10 years.
What happens if one child has an accident and has to go in an ambulance do you pile them all in and take them to hospital.
I would cancel the sessions if there is no help for your own safety. I taught the girls brigade for 12 years and we were never left alone. For one fire and insurance would not be covered. You need to access the situation and decide if it is worth the headache.
I personally would split the group I to three manageable groups and do a few weeks with each and if the parent don't like it tough. My son recently joined a coral speaking group and they were split into two groups each getting six weeks each, maybe this could be done |
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"The current ratio of adults to kids is 1:6 for children 4-10 years.
What happens if one child has an accident and has to go in an ambulance do you pile them all in and take them to hospital.
I would cancel the sessions if there is no help for your own safety. I taught the girls brigade for 12 years and we were never left alone. For one fire and insurance would not be covered. You need to access the situation and decide if it is worth the headache.
I personally would split the group I to three manageable groups and do a few weeks with each and if the parent don't like it tough. My son recently joined a coral speaking group and they were split into two groups each getting six weeks each, maybe this could be done"
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