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"For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge? and no i dont. (and i didnt even google that.)" this is the cirrect meaning but i dont know the origin | |||
"Fornication inder command of king" yes. Fornicate Under Command of the King!!! Which king was it?Probably some English fella | |||
"For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge? and no i dont. (and i didnt even google that.)this is the cirrect meaning but i dont know the origin" It was on the charge sheet during the last century for alleged rapists | |||
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"English king. George 5th springs to mind but its probaly wrong "is fornication rape tho? It was probably meant for the soldiers and it was a command.... | |||
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"The two most likely accepted origin are from the German ficken (to copulate) or the Dutch fokken (to breed)." fokken hot profile pic there  | |||
"The two most likely accepted origin are from the German ficken (to copulate) or the Dutch fokken (to breed)." yes fokken is Dutch allright... I know lol!;-) | |||
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"I believe the 1st recorded use was in a 15th century Scottish poem but there is no definitive answer."  | |||
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"oh, this was on QI a while back, the For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge and Fornication Under Order of King are BS I think, well QI said so anyway. Some scandanavian or German for pushing or something like that" Hang on! http://old.qi.com/talk/viewtopic.php?p=177721 Spurious etymology Some of you have no doubt heard that the word fuck is acronymic in origin - usually alleged to stand for For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge, a thing supposed either written above the stocks if one were being invited to throw cabbages at an adulterer, or chalked on the cell door of one being held by the US Police for that offence in the 1920s. Utter nonsense, as acronymic etymologies usually are. Equally acronymic and equally untrue is the suggestion that it stood for Fornication Under Consent of the King. Supposedly, in some unspecified bygone age, one needed royal consent to indulge in intercourse, and if this was granted one received a placard to place outside the room where intimacy was occurring. Real etymology The true etymology isn't completely certain, because what with being impolite, the word was spoken rather more than it was written down. The OED's first citation is from 1503, although it seems to have been used a bit earlier than that in a poem written in a mixture of bad Latin and Middle English, tentatively dated to around 1480. The said poem states "non sunt in celi quia fuccant uuiuys of heli" (they are not in Heaven because they are fucking the wives of Ely) - referring to some less than holy monks. Sources also note that a man named John le Fucker is recorded as living in London in 1278. Anyways, the word may in fact come from a Scandinavian word meaning "to push", another Scandinavian word meaning "penis", a German word meaning "to scratch", a Latin word meaning "to knock" or any or all of the above. No one really knows, but it's entirely possible to give a whole 50 minute lecture exploring all of these possibilities and a few others besides. I should know ... Incidentally, while on the subject of dictionaries, the OED didn't see fit to include the big bad word until as late as 1989. Indeed, until the Chatterley judgment (R v Penguin Books Limited, 1961), any book including it would have run the risk of being considered obscene had it included the word. | |||
"oh, this was on QI a while back, the For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge and Fornication Under Order of King are BS I think, well QI said so anyway. Some scandanavian or German for pushing or something like that Hang on! http://old.qi.com/talk/viewtopic.php? p=177721 Spurious etymology Some of you have no doubt heard that the word fuck is acronymic in origin - usually alleged to stand for For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge, a thing supposed either written above the stocks if one were being invited to throw cabbages at an adulterer, or chalked on the cell door of one being held by the US Police for that offence in the 1920s. Utter nonsense, as acronymic etymologies usually are. Equally acronymic and equally untrue is the suggestion that it stood for Fornication Under Consent of the King. Supposedly, in some unspecified bygone age, one needed royal consent to indulge in intercourse, and if this was granted one received a placard to place outside the room where intimacy was occurring. Real etymology The true etymology isn't completely certain, because what with being impolite, the word was spoken rather more than it was written down. The OED's first citation is from 1503, although it seems to have been used a bit earlier than that in a poem written in a mixture of bad Latin and Middle English, tentatively dated to around 1480. The said poem states "non sunt in celi quia fuccant uuiuys of heli" (they are not in Heaven because they are fucking the wives of Ely) - referring to some less than holy monks. Sources also note that a man named John le Fucker is recorded as living in London in 1278. Anyways, the word may in fact come from a Scandinavian word meaning "to push", another Scandinavian word meaning "penis", a German word meaning "to scratch", a Latin word meaning "to knock" or any or all of the above. No one really knows, but it's entirely possible to give a whole 50 minute lecture exploring all of these possibilities and a few others besides. I should know ... Incidentally, while on the subject of dictionaries, the OED didn't see fit to include the big bad word until as late as 1989. Indeed, until the Chatterley judgment (R v Penguin Books Limited, 1961), any book including it would have run the risk of being considered obscene had it included the word. " thanks! I find that interesting! A word we use so much and not one clear explanation. Thanks elaborate info though! Anyone that done a PhD on the matter? | |||
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