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Well what did we all think of his exploits yesterday? As a Tyrone fan 1st of what Sean cavanagh done was wrong but he was punished to the maximum penalty the ref could bestow upon him! So was Brolly right to question Sean cavanagh as a man for what he done? |
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"Well what did we all think of his exploits yesterday? As a Tyrone fan 1st of what Sean cavanagh done was wrong but he was punished to the maximum penalty the ref could bestow upon him! So was Brolly right to question Sean cavanagh as a man for what he done? "
i agree with brolly but he went overboard
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"Well what did we all think of his exploits yesterday? As a Tyrone fan 1st of what Sean cavanagh done was wrong but he was punished to the maximum penalty the ref could bestow upon him! So was Brolly right to question Sean cavanagh as a man for what he done? "
I suppose in swinging terms it's like riding married women. We know we shouldn't morally but we do cos we can get away with it lol. Maybe we need black card here. Not that I
myself have ever fucked a married woman.
As for Brolly don't normally agree with him but he was right in general. The not being a man thing was wrong though. As said before overboard. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Very true!!!!
"Well what did we all think of his exploits yesterday? As a Tyrone fan 1st of what Sean cavanagh done was wrong but he was punished to the maximum penalty the ref could bestow upon him! So was Brolly right to question Sean cavanagh as a man for what he done?
I suppose in swinging terms it's like riding married women. We know we shouldn't morally but we do cos we can get away with it lol. Maybe we need black card here. Not that I
myself have ever fucked a married woman.
As for Brolly don't normally agree with him but he was right in general. The not being a man thing was wrong though. As said before overboard. "
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There is a really weird sport called soccer . They have guys called referees . They are dressed in black and give out yellow and red cards .
Their purpose is to be in charge of discipline . Not to be beaten to a pulp if a team loses .
I could tell you about rugby but that would make your brains bleed out through your noses . .... |
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By *itty14Couple
over a year ago
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Joe brolly was way out of order to question cavanaghs honour as a man.what he done was a foul no more.if you asked any other sportsman would they do the same to win of course they would.to me joe brolly is a disgrace.he is there to give his views on the match not question peoples integerity. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Kitty well said.. Defo sean was wrong in the foul.. It was blatent. 100% defo yellow and 100% he was in the wrong. But to question a man who has scored 13 points from midfield in 2 games, multiple all star and 3 all irelands is unfair!
"Joe brolly was way out of order to question cavanaghs honour as a man.what he done was a foul no more.if you asked any other sportsman would they do the same to win of course they would.to me joe brolly is a disgrace.he is there to give his views on the match not question peoples integerity."
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Cynical fouling is spoiling the game, but Seán Kavanagh did exactly what 99% of players in the country would have done, because the punishment for it isn't severe enough. However; cynical fouling in the middle of the field doesn't seem to get any mention, and yesterday's game wasn't the worst we've seen in that regard. I think Joe did a great job of protecting his position as pundit with his Dunphy style rant. |
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By *ondicMan
over a year ago
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Brolly was defo correct. Its gone to the stage now that g a a football is no longer a sport. It has no rules and no fun to watch. I dont know why they just do go play rugby if they want to be thugs. Its certainly not a thing of beauty..Only one sport in Ireland worth watching ...Hurling even if the best player ever was treated in a disgraceful fashion last Sunday by the ref. |
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Have to agree with Brolly even tho it kills me 
Should have been a red card, i know the rules are up to the ref to implement but it would stop this cynical fouling.
I can see were Séan was coming from to stop at all costs, it needs to be a red card offence to make players think twice.
First time i've seen the analysis actually doing there job.  |
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It might need to be a red card offence, but it quite simply wasn't a red card offence. I think anyone who thinks less of Seán Kavanagh or Tyrone because of this is ignoring the reality that there's hardly a player in the country so wouldn't have done exactly the same thing, and there's certainly no manager who wouldn't have expected him to. What about the Cork player who lifted the ball off the ground almost on the goal line, to avoid a goal? Where was all the moral indignation for that one? This cynical stuff goes on in every game, and the black card next year is an attempt to deal with it. The problem is far too deeply embedded to be cured that easily though, but it's a start. |
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I would have to say there is a massive difference between What Séan Cavanagh did and picking the ball up with your hand.
I suppose Martin penrose lashing out and boxing someone is the same as a hard shoulder.
It happens in most games but i think the GAA have to take control of the matter, Brolly was right to have a go about the sort of fouling, however his judgement as Séan Cavanagh as a man should not have came into it, stick to the point i say. |
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"I would have to say there is a massive difference between What Séan Cavanagh did and picking the ball up with your hand.
I suppose Martin penrose lashing out and boxing someone is the same as a hard shoulder.
It happens in most games but i think the GAA have to take control of the matter, Brolly was right to have a go about the sort of fouling, however his judgement as Séan Cavanagh as a man should not have came into it, stick to the point i say."
m penrose incident was tiddlywinks! S cavanagh and likewise is cynical fouling that needs to be dealt with |
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"I would have to say there is a massive difference between What Séan Cavanagh did and picking the ball up with your hand.
I suppose Martin penrose lashing out and boxing someone is the same as a hard shoulder.
It happens in most games but i think the GAA have to take control of the matter, Brolly was right to have a go about the sort of fouling, however his judgement as Séan Cavanagh as a man should not have came into it, stick to the point i say.m penrose incident was tiddlywinks! S cavanagh and likewise is cynical fouling that needs to be dealt with "
Its shite that Séan gets his name blackened over this many players have done this in the past, but i suppose someone gets the shit end of the stick. |
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"I would have to say there is a massive difference between What Séan Cavanagh did and picking the ball up with your hand.
I suppose Martin penrose lashing out and boxing someone is the same as a hard shoulder.
It happens in most games but i think the GAA have to take control of the matter, Brolly was right to have a go about the sort of fouling, however his judgement as Séan Cavanagh as a man should not have came into it, stick to the point i say."
There's no difference at all. Both were done to prevent the opposition possibly scoring a goal, even though both are clearly in beach of the rules. As for "lashing out and boxing someone", I got worse belts from my granny, but he got dealt with as the rules dictated. Likewise, Seán Kavanagh was dealt with in the way the rules dictated. The rules are changing, but too slowly to deal with this issue overnight. The minor match yesterday had a very similar incident, but no outcry was seen about that. |
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"I would have to say there is a massive difference between What Séan Cavanagh did and picking the ball up with your hand.
I suppose Martin penrose lashing out and boxing someone is the same as a hard shoulder.
It happens in most games but i think the GAA have to take control of the matter, Brolly was right to have a go about the sort of fouling, however his judgement as Séan Cavanagh as a man should not have came into it, stick to the point i say.
There's no difference at all. Both were done to prevent the opposition possibly scoring a goal, even though both are clearly in beach of the rules. As for "lashing out and boxing someone", I got worse belts from my granny, but he got dealt with as the rules dictated. Likewise, Seán Kavanagh was dealt with in the way the rules dictated. The rules are changing, but too slowly to deal with this issue overnight. The minor match yesterday had a very similar incident, but no outcry was seen about that. "
You are entitled to your opinion, but there is a major difference in fouling the ball on the ground than taking a player out of it with a goal chance.
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You are entitled to your opinion, but there is a major difference in fouling the ball on the ground than taking a player out of it with a goal chance.
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Nonsense. It's nothing to do with my opinion at all. It's the rules. Pulling the player to the ground prevented the possible goal chance and got him a yellow card. The Cork player picking the ball off the ground prevented the possible goal chance, but it carried no sanction at all, except for the fact that it should've been a penalty but wasn't. Both achieved the same result, but your outrage is reserved for only one, even though it was the one that received the maximum punishment. Given the rules as they stand, what is it that you think should've been done? |
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Brolly hard some excellent strong points, which would be hard to question. As for Sean cavanagh, I once thought he was a great ambassador for GAA, not anymore despite acting within these rules!!!!
The head honchos of the GAA need to address the morse serious issues in cheating and levy punishments accordingly, as opposed to debating and conducting trial runs about where you kick the bloody ball out.
Eventually you will see the diving culture so blatant and common in soccer appear if the GAA doesn't act! |
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By *ajoscaCouple
over a year ago
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Hey just because 99% of sports players would do it does not make it right cavanagh while acting with in the rules of the gaa morally its wrong thats not sport and i hope it is cut out quickly i dont like brolly at the best of times but he is right being a sportsman is about being a sportsman and playing within the rules moral or other our gaelic games need to rid this cancer getting into it so croke park deal with it now |
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By *ajoscaCouple
over a year ago
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Hey just because 99% of sports players would do it does not make it right cavanagh while acting with in the rules of the gaa morally its wrong thats not sport and i hope it is cut out quickly i dont like brolly at the best of times but he is right being a sportsman is about being a sportsman and playing within the rules moral or other our gaelic games need to rid this cancer getting into it so croke park deal with it now |
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"Hey just because 99% of sports players would do it does not make it right cavanagh while acting with in the rules of the gaa morally its wrong thats not sport and i hope it is cut out quickly i dont like brolly at the best of times but he is right being a sportsman is about being a sportsman and playing within the rules moral or other our gaelic games need to rid this cancer getting into it so croke park deal with it now"
My point though is that SK got the maximum penalty possible. Third man tackles occur every ten seconds in most games these days and nobody says a word about it. When tackling an opponent, you're allowed to slap the ball with an open hand to knock it from his grasp. You're not allowed hold his arm, slap his arm, punch his ribs, etc, but those are the more common ways of tackling. We let them go though, so now they're part an parcel. There is no rule in the world that will stop a player from doing anything he can to prevent his team from losing, and pretending that he should've stood back and watched Conor McManus having a go is just not realistic. I suspect that extending the area within which a penalty becomes the punishment might be a real disincentive though.
These constant cynical fouls are a blight on games, but they mostly occur in the short passing, defensive style games. There were a lot worse fouls than that one in that game as well, but that one got the spotlight because ofwhere it happened. I'd love to know if there's anyone here who wouldn't have done the same thing? The gaa set up a body to investigate the whole issue of cynical fouling, and a report with recommendations was made. The black card will come into force in January next, and will mean that SK would besent off for that foul, but a replacement will be allowed come on. It may have some effect if referees show a willingness to use it early in games, but by the end of the game I don't believe it'll make a blind bit of difference. A rule similar to the soccer one is probably required, but it's a bit complicated in gaa, as a cynical foul 50m out the field could prevent a match winning point. |
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"Brolly was defo correct. Its gone to the stage now that g a a football is no longer a sport. It has no rules and no fun to watch. I dont know why they just do go play rugby if they want to be thugs. Its certainly not a thing of beauty..Only one sport in Ireland worth watching ...Hurling even if the best player ever was treated in a disgraceful fashion last Sunday by the ref."
The only game in ireland worth watching is rugby and they certainly aren't thugs, its a thugs game played by gentlemen, you certainly won't see the indiscipline in rugby as often as you will see it in soccer or football and hurling is the only game I have respect for in Gaelic games.
As for joe, being a derry man myself I can be hot headed when it comes to things I'm passionate about, he was definitely right to bring the problem to the forefront but I wouldn't be sure if he went about it the right way. I'm sure the guys in croke park will now be addressing it though so maybe something might come good of the rant.
Sean cavanagh is an awesome footballer and has played many a big game, I think any footballer probably would have done the same if they were put in the same circumstance but I think the repercussions should be sanctioned higher than a yellow. Joe was definitely wrong to question Sean's intregity as he's not the first footballer to do this and certainly won't be the last. |
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"Brolly was defo correct. Its gone to the stage now that g a a football is no longer a sport. It has no rules and no fun to watch. I dont know why they just do go play rugby if they want to be thugs. Its certainly not a thing of beauty..Only one sport in Ireland worth watching ...Hurling even if the best player ever was treated in a disgraceful fashion last Sunday by the ref.
The only game in ireland worth watching is rugby and they certainly aren't thugs, its a thugs game played by gentlemen, you certainly won't see the indiscipline in rugby as often as you will see it in soccer or football and hurling is the only game I have respect for in Gaelic games.
As for joe, being a derry man myself I can be hot headed when it comes to things I'm passionate about, he was definitely right to bring the problem to the forefront but I wouldn't be sure if he went about it the right way. I'm sure the guys in croke park will now be addressing it though so maybe something might come good of the rant.
Sean cavanagh is an awesome footballer and has played many a big game, I think any footballer probably would have done the same if they were put in the same circumstance but I think the repercussions should be sanctioned higher than a yellow. Joe was definitely wrong to question Sean's intregity as he's not the first footballer to do this and certainly won't be the last."
I'd agree in principle with most of that, but Joe is very late in bringing this to the forefront. Pat Spillane has been talking about puke football for years. The gaa have been working on cynical fouling for years, hence the black card. I don't believe that the cynical fouling this weekend was any worse than anyother weekend, and probably not as bad as it was last year. As regards the rugby, it's an easier game to police as the ball moves a lot more slowly, and physical contact is allowed and well defined. Even still, we have incidents where eyes are gouged and stamping occurs. I don't think any game is perfect. Having said that, mayo and Dublin are a joy to watch. If a couple of titles are won using their type of fast moving game, the game overall may evolve away from highly cynical defensive strategies. As Robert Emett one said. . "I have done" |
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Jez Joe Brolly a swinger now  Lol it's a bit from the scene in Father Ted, when the fellow says: "I hear your racist now father" .... Next time I see Joe Brolly I am gonna say :
"I here your swinger now, Joe"
I can't stand people who don't read the threads.... I think, this type of cynical fouling should be rooted out, what happened to good sportsmanship? This win whatever it takes isn't right... I rather win fairly but guess its going to difficult if we're not all playing on level playing field... But glad to here: "Joe's a swinger now"  |
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