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"Good luck with that, I've seen long established couples break up when they start swinging. Its not as easy just meet someone,becone a fab couple and swing lots of dynamics to navigate like finding 4 people all attracted to each other boundaries dos and donts, trust od earned not easily given. And personally I'd think the guy was using ne to meet other people. " ...I've read this on a lot of women's profiles.."looking for a partner in crime". I also have it on mine. It's fairly common tbh. And to be perfectly frank, a lot of men will go with the flow, the don't seem to be as choosy when it comes to a group meet. Just my observation anyway. | |||
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"I think it’s a great idea. I’m sure there are single women here who would enjoy the safety of having a situationship and being able to integrate that with someone else, and then attend socials at home and abroad with someone else. Good for you being proactive!" ...a mutually beneficial agreement...without any jealousy | |||
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"The only problem you have is most lads are looking for the same thing because it's easier to get meets/invites to parties of you team up with a woman. The only fault in you plan is women don't need a man to be very active on the scene. So basically women would see your offer as you using them to get more active " ...balance that against a woman feeling safe going to group meets with someone she trusts,and if the agreement is reached beforehand...everyone wins...the woman gets chaperoned, the man has easier access to parties etc.. | |||
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"Great idea in theory but to us it sounds like you are trying to find a way to get around those people like ourselves who don't meet single males as personally they have nothing to offer us " ...they do have something to offer...if they have a female partner | |||
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"Yeah meadhbh that's what I meant partnership not relationship someone who wants to explore this lifestyle and feel safe with a partner " Maybe try social events for newbies and get yourself meet verified first | |||
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"Yeah maybe ill meet a few people at meets and get some verifications pretty new at this so just testing the waters not looking to offend anyone so yes I'll be telling the truth about the situation if one does arise . . . Any meets coming up i seen one in Galway next week but it's a little far for a coffee " ...mate...do yourself a favour, you're in Dublin, there's bound to be loads of single women around you. Drop a few of them a message, if you go down the "attending socials" route..you'll end up with 50 veries and no further on. Be your own man. | |||
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"Yeah maybe ill meet a few people at meets and get some verifications pretty new at this so just testing the waters not looking to offend anyone so yes I'll be telling the truth about the situation if one does arise . . . Any meets coming up i seen one in Galway next week but it's a little far for a coffee ...mate...do yourself a favour, you're in Dublin, there's bound to be loads of single women around you. Drop a few of them a message, if you go down the "attending socials" route..you'll end up with 50 veries and no further on. Be your own man. " Atleast if he attends a social like DV8 he'll get a chance and verified no guarantees messaging alot of ladies will get meets | |||
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"Yeah maybe ill meet a few people at meets and get some verifications pretty new at this so just testing the waters not looking to offend anyone so yes I'll be telling the truth about the situation if one does arise . . . Any meets coming up i seen one in Galway next week but it's a little far for a coffee ...mate...do yourself a favour, you're in Dublin, there's bound to be loads of single women around you. Drop a few of them a message, if you go down the "attending socials" route..you'll end up with 50 veries and no further on. Be your own man. Atleast if he attends a social like DV8 he'll get a chance and verified no guarantees messaging alot of ladies will get meets " ...I know...but the social veries are about on a par with cam veries... | |||
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"Yeah maybe ill meet a few people at meets and get some verifications pretty new at this so just testing the waters not looking to offend anyone so yes I'll be telling the truth about the situation if one does arise . . . Any meets coming up i seen one in Galway next week but it's a little far for a coffee ...mate...do yourself a favour, you're in Dublin, there's bound to be loads of single women around you. Drop a few of them a message, if you go down the "attending socials" route..you'll end up with 50 veries and no further on. Be your own man. " I disagree, get to a social abd neet a few people. Make some connections, | |||
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"Yeah maybe ill meet a few people at meets and get some verifications pretty new at this so just testing the waters not looking to offend anyone so yes I'll be telling the truth about the situation if one does arise . . . Any meets coming up i seen one in Galway next week but it's a little far for a coffee ...mate...do yourself a favour, you're in Dublin, there's bound to be loads of single women around you. Drop a few of them a message, if you go down the "attending socials" route..you'll end up with 50 veries and no further on. Be your own man. Atleast if he attends a social like DV8 he'll get a chance and verified no guarantees messaging alot of ladies will get meets ...I know...but the social veries are about on a par with cam veries..." you could wait ages to get a meet as no verifications atleast attended a social may help that a social event has verified meeting you | |||
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"Yeah maybe ill meet a few people at meets and get some verifications pretty new at this so just testing the waters not looking to offend anyone so yes I'll be telling the truth about the situation if one does arise . . . Any meets coming up i seen one in Galway next week but it's a little far for a coffee ...mate...do yourself a favour, you're in Dublin, there's bound to be loads of single women around you. Drop a few of them a message, if you go down the "attending socials" route..you'll end up with 50 veries and no further on. Be your own man. I disagree, get to a social abd neet a few people. Make some connections, " ....meet verified is the holy grail...in fairness to the chap, he has face pics showing. Put in the effort, it will pay off. | |||
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"Yeah maybe ill meet a few people at meets and get some verifications pretty new at this so just testing the waters not looking to offend anyone so yes I'll be telling the truth about the situation if one does arise . . . Any meets coming up i seen one in Galway next week but it's a little far for a coffee ...mate...do yourself a favour, you're in Dublin, there's bound to be loads of single women around you. Drop a few of them a message, if you go down the "attending socials" route..you'll end up with 50 veries and no further on. Be your own man. Atleast if he attends a social like DV8 he'll get a chance and verified no guarantees messaging alot of ladies will get meets ...I know...but the social veries are about on a par with cam veries..." It’s not often you and I agree but I agree with you on this one. As a single woman, (still looking for the elusive male  ) You can tell who’s been to DV8 by the people who have given the social veris- and now I just ignore them as they aren’t a true representation. Someone goes for a few drinks on a Sunday night, doesn’t hook up but all the regulars give the same copy and paste veris. I much rather see some veris from actual one on one meets to get a better vibe. | |||
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"Yeah maybe ill meet a few people at meets and get some verifications pretty new at this so just testing the waters not looking to offend anyone so yes I'll be telling the truth about the situation if one does arise . . . Any meets coming up i seen one in Galway next week but it's a little far for a coffee ...mate...do yourself a favour, you're in Dublin, there's bound to be loads of single women around you. Drop a few of them a message, if you go down the "attending socials" route..you'll end up with 50 veries and no further on. Be your own man. I disagree, get to a social abd neet a few people. Make some connections, ....meet verified is the holy grail...in fairness to the chap, he has face pics showing. Put in the effort, it will pay off. " Meet verified for some works. It's different for single women taking a chance neeting someone they don't know if given unverified guys chances and been stood up more than once. Play veris aren't my go to. As I've met guys who were God's in bed according to some and I've come away thinking wtf. At end of day got nothing to lose by attending a social, at this stage I'm only here to attend socials and have a great night in great company | |||
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"Looking for a female who wants to explore this lifestyle with someone they trust so it makes it safer for them and easier for me as a male. . Let's meet for a drink which hopefully leads to some long term swapping fun " The problem is that women dont need men to meet others. Unsuccessful men see this as a route to getting meets when they can't get em solo | |||
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"Looking for a female who wants to explore this lifestyle with someone they trust so it makes it safer for them and easier for me as a male. . Let's meet for a drink which hopefully leads to some long term swapping fun The problem is that women dont need men to meet others. Unsuccessful men see this as a route to getting meets when they can't get em solo" ...nobody said it was a problem...its about coming to a mutually beneficial arrangement. | |||
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"Looking for a female who wants to explore this lifestyle with someone they trust so it makes it safer for them and easier for me as a male. . Let's meet for a drink which hopefully leads to some long term swapping fun The problem is that women dont need men to meet others. Unsuccessful men see this as a route to getting meets when they can't get em solo...nobody said it was a problem...its about coming to a mutually beneficial arrangement. " I said it's a problem. Many times it's a lot more beneficial to the man than it is to the woman. | |||
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"Looking for a female who wants to explore this lifestyle with someone they trust so it makes it safer for them and easier for me as a male. . Let's meet for a drink which hopefully leads to some long term swapping fun The problem is that women dont need men to meet others. Unsuccessful men see this as a route to getting meets when they can't get em solo...nobody said it was a problem...its about coming to a mutually beneficial arrangement. I said it's a problem. Many times it's a lot more beneficial to the man than it is to the woman." ...well the general consensus (on this thread) is that it's not a problem..im going with the majority on this.. | |||
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"Sure you believe what you like . What I see is a guy with no verifications starting a thread looking to team up with a woman, in order to get meets... When she can most likely get meets just fine" ...In this case it's about you believing what you like... | |||
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"It's a case of putting the cart before the horse when you're new. You need to find a woman that's comfortable with you and having sex with you on a regular basis before you move onto meeting other people as a couple Unless the whole point is to meet a woman, play with another couple or group separately and you two not having sex together In that case you're not really needed anyway for the woman to enjoy herself " ...isn't that what the op posted..? | |||
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"You can have cake and eat it too, you dont need to be in a committed relationships to swing together as FWBs. I understand as some say that THEY do, and that is nothing except their opinion, and only that. It does seem like an easy in, no emotional ties and getting a VIP pass and it is understandable that this night irk some people. In saying that , there's enough cock and pussy for everyone and it isn't going to run out so everyone should just embrace the prospect of two people forming a swinging couple and fucking away to their hearts content. Give me a shout if you get together with a lady if you're looking for another M. " I don't think anyone is saying that singles coupling up is a bad thing. That said it is a couples choice if they are interested in meeting another 'couple' who aren't really a couple or not. It's not bad per se. It's just a choice that people make for themselves to meet non-real couples of not. The bit that makes me uncomfortable is the idea that an unverified guy is suggesting keeping a single girl safe (from other unverified guys) as his part of a mutually beneficial arrangement, while she is acting as gatekeeper for vagina coming from couples that they meet together, who may or may not know that they are not an actual couple. | |||
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"You can have cake and eat it too, you dont need to be in a committed relationships to swing together as FWBs. I understand as some say that THEY do, and that is nothing except their opinion, and only that. It does seem like an easy in, no emotional ties and getting a VIP pass and it is understandable that this night irk some people. In saying that , there's enough cock and pussy for everyone and it isn't going to run out so everyone should just embrace the prospect of two people forming a swinging couple and fucking away to their hearts content. Give me a shout if you get together with a lady if you're looking for another M. I don't think anyone is saying that singles coupling up is a bad thing. That said it is a couples choice if they are interested in meeting another 'couple' who aren't really a couple or not. It's not bad per se. It's just a choice that people make for themselves to meet non-real couples of not. The bit that makes me uncomfortable is the idea that an unverified guy is suggesting keeping a single girl safe (from other unverified guys) as his part of a mutually beneficial arrangement, while she is acting as gatekeeper for vagina coming from couples that they meet together, who may or may not know that they are not an actual couple." ...but if they have a couples profile...doesn't that make them an "actual couple "? | |||
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"Much like a single male profile doesn't make an actual single male lol" ..that's just you being judgemental tbh.. | |||
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"If you think all men wth single male profiles are actually single males then you are completely deluded. " ...I was talking about both your posts....couples and single males.... | |||
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"If you think all men wth single male profiles are actually single males then you are completely deluded. ...I was talking about both your posts....couples and single males...." I think your definition of both the words "judgemental" and "couple" are both different to mine. | |||
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"I believe it's semantics, as numbers , a single male is "one man", not necessarily single, as in two people is a "couple" as in more than one. Whereas some people define a couple as two people in a relationship. " This. Personally I think those in a committed relationship/marriage and swinging together or with permission is a complete different thing to two singles who are using each other to get an "in" with other couples/parties. That's my opinion though and I can see why it is personally beneficial for singles to try and see it in another way. | |||
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"Looking for a female who wants to explore this lifestyle with someone they trust so it makes it safer for them and easier for me as a male. . Let's meet for a drink which hopefully leads to some long term swapping fun " I would be very interested if you lived nearer to me, so you're bound to find some interested women in Dublin 💖 I wouldn't be surprised if you've had a few pms already xx ps you're hot  | |||
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"Hunter I'm single and I have an fwb who I enjoy extra curricular activities with. Nobody minds. Some people like it. It's just a vibe. Plenty room for different vibes and no real reason to discount one that's different from the other. There's no issue at all in the bigger picture here. People just choose to engage in what they are interested in and when it's all up front and clear and everyone is having the great sex they went looking for sure what's not to like? " Of course I'm not knocking singles playing in duos or triplets. We've played with fwbs before and it's all good. I wouldn't call fwbs couples is all, and as long as everyone is open and honest as to the arrangements then great! It's the single unverified man trading safety from other single unverified men that is weirding me out. (Typo fixed) | |||
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"Hunter I'm single and I have an fwb who I enjoy extra curricular activities with. Nobody minds. Some people like it. It's just a vibe. Plenty room for different vibes and no real reason to discount one that's different from the other. There's no issue at all in the bigger picture here. People just choose to engage in what they are interested in and when it's all up front and clear and everyone is having the great sex they went looking for sure what's not to like? Of course I'm not knocking singles playing in duos or triplets. We've played with fwbs before and it's all good. I wouldn't call fwbs couples is all, and as long as everyone is open and honest as to the arrangements then great! It's the single unverified man trading safety from other single unverified men that is weirding me out. (Typo fixed)" You seem to be reading the post and intention as cynically as possible though. | |||
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"If you think all men wth single male profiles are actually single males then you are completely deluded. ...I was talking about both your posts....couples and single males.... I think your definition of both the words "judgemental" and "couple" are both different to mine. " ...single male = solo profile...its nobody's business what their personal circumstances are...couples profile a man and a woman usually, don't have to be married. Don't have to be married to each other..if you catch my drift...again.. their personal circumstances are nobody else's business. | |||
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"If you think all men wth single male profiles are actually single males then you are completely deluded. ...I was talking about both your posts....couples and single males.... I think your definition of both the words "judgemental" and "couple" are both different to mine. ...single male = solo profile...its nobody's business what their personal circumstances are...couples profile a man and a woman usually, don't have to be married. Don't have to be married to each other..if you catch my drift...again.. their personal circumstances are nobody else's business. " I disagree. If a married couple for example are meeting two other people they believe to be in the same boat as them, but are in fact two singles, then I think they should know so they can decide if that's ok with them or not. Just my opinion. | |||
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"If you think all men wth single male profiles are actually single males then you are completely deluded. ...I was talking about both your posts....couples and single males.... I think your definition of both the words "judgemental" and "couple" are both different to mine. ...single male = solo profile...its nobody's business what their personal circumstances are...couples profile a man and a woman usually, don't have to be married. Don't have to be married to each other..if you catch my drift...again.. their personal circumstances are nobody else's business. I disagree. If a married couple for example are meeting two other people they believe to be in the same boat as them, but are in fact two singles, then I think they should know so they can decide if that's ok with them or not. Just my opinion." ...you actually ask couples if they are married to each other...? | |||
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" You seem to be reading the post and intention as cynically as possible though. " Not intentionally. It's just the way I read the situation of an unverified single guy offering protection. Things here might blossom into something wonderful, but just as likely he might drop her like a shitty stick as soon as he gets a go on someone else's wife. | |||
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"If you think all men wth single male profiles are actually single males then you are completely deluded. ...I was talking about both your posts....couples and single males.... I think your definition of both the words "judgemental" and "couple" are both different to mine. ...single male = solo profile...its nobody's business what their personal circumstances are...couples profile a man and a woman usually, don't have to be married. Don't have to be married to each other..if you catch my drift...again.. their personal circumstances are nobody else's business. I disagree. If a married couple for example are meeting two other people they believe to be in the same boat as them, but are in fact two singles, then I think they should know so they can decide if that's ok with them or not. Just my opinion....you actually ask couples if they are married to each other...?" I have done in the past. I've also asked singles if they are really single or fab-single. Generally though this would be if I had some suspicion. Most people I would trust to be up front about these things without having to be asked. | |||
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"For me it would have to be a fwb situation, someone I could tryst and feel safe with and who'd have my back at events, and I'd have theirs too. Someone to get dressed up with/ travel with/ check in with each other at the event/ walk me back to my car/ share a hotel room/ the benefits are many if the friendship is solid. I don't want to be in a couple but I'd love to team up with a friend like that for events. " This. Sounds like the ideal scenario to me. | |||
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"Join the singles group. I think you are seeking an ethically non monogamous relationship. Living the dream. " What he describes above is definitely not an ENM relationship | |||
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"If you think all men wth single male profiles are actually single males then you are completely deluded. ...I was talking about both your posts....couples and single males.... I think your definition of both the words "judgemental" and "couple" are both different to mine. ...single male = solo profile...its nobody's business what their personal circumstances are...couples profile a man and a woman usually, don't have to be married. Don't have to be married to each other..if you catch my drift...again.. their personal circumstances are nobody else's business. I disagree. If a married couple for example are meeting two other people they believe to be in the same boat as them, but are in fact two singles, then I think they should know so they can decide if that's ok with them or not. Just my opinion....you actually ask couples if they are married to each other...? I have done in the past. I've also asked singles if they are really single or fab-single. Generally though this would be if I had some suspicion. Most people I would trust to be up front about these things without having to be asked." ...so many variables..what if a couple were married...but not to each other, what if a couple used to be married, then teamed up with someone else they met while swinging,?...do you think they should share that info with you? | |||
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"I can't be arsed reading the whole thread. Lazy out this morning. Sorry if I didn't pick up on all the info. The amount of men that want to hang onto a single woman's coat tails; get into clubs, have a partner in crime, half the cost of everything. The reality is, it's cheaper for single women to remain single. There is a bigger incentive for single men to couple up than for single women. Any single woman, coupling up with a guy in order for him to get more access to the swinging world, is doing HIM a favour. Groups of single women can look out for each other. Men aren't looking out for you while they are fucking someone else (and sharing the cost of the event with you). " Maybe you should scroll up a bit. For sure your opinion is valid for you but there's some interesting and varying points of view above. Speaking for myself, I am not and have no need to be riding anyone's coat tails and if I asked a woman to head out into the scene to have adventures it's because I like that person enough to want to share something with them. | |||
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"If you think all men wth single male profiles are actually single males then you are completely deluded. ...I was talking about both your posts....couples and single males.... I think your definition of both the words "judgemental" and "couple" are both different to mine. ...single male = solo profile...its nobody's business what their personal circumstances are...couples profile a man and a woman usually, don't have to be married. Don't have to be married to each other..if you catch my drift...again.. their personal circumstances are nobody else's business. I disagree. If a married couple for example are meeting two other people they believe to be in the same boat as them, but are in fact two singles, then I think they should know so they can decide if that's ok with them or not. Just my opinion....you actually ask couples if they are married to each other...? I have done in the past. I've also asked singles if they are really single or fab-single. Generally though this would be if I had some suspicion. Most people I would trust to be up front about these things without having to be asked....so many variables..what if a couple were married...but not to each other, what if a couple used to be married, then teamed up with someone else they met while swinging,?...do you think they should share that info with you?" I would anticipate in those scenarios they would bring it up themselves. Certainly when I was swinging with Laura when we were both in other proper relationships then we would always bring it up for the sake of openness and to give them a choice. I liked to say "yes I'm married, just not to her" | |||
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"If you think all men wth single male profiles are actually single males then you are completely deluded. ...I was talking about both your posts....couples and single males.... I think your definition of both the words "judgemental" and "couple" are both different to mine. ...single male = solo profile...its nobody's business what their personal circumstances are...couples profile a man and a woman usually, don't have to be married. Don't have to be married to each other..if you catch my drift...again.. their personal circumstances are nobody else's business. I disagree. If a married couple for example are meeting two other people they believe to be in the same boat as them, but are in fact two singles, then I think they should know so they can decide if that's ok with them or not. Just my opinion....you actually ask couples if they are married to each other...? I have done in the past. I've also asked singles if they are really single or fab-single. Generally though this would be if I had some suspicion. Most people I would trust to be up front about these things without having to be asked....so many variables..what if a couple were married...but not to each other, what if a couple used to be married, then teamed up with someone else they met while swinging,?...do you think they should share that info with you? I would anticipate in those scenarios they would bring it up themselves. Certainly when I was swinging with Laura when we were both in other proper relationships then we would always bring it up for the sake of openness and to give them a choice. I liked to say "yes I'm married, just not to her" "...yet you don't mind judging others.. ? | |||
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"Which particular judgement is it you are accusing me of? Can you try and be concise please." ...you're the one holding the moral high ground...you tell me | |||
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"How about we change it up a little. What if two bi guys , not a couple , decided to pair up to help fulfil some ladies fantasies. Is this not the same kind of thing , beneficial to all involved. Is it only fair if everyone gets equal benefits? This idea of fairness is only a social construct. Would that be an ethical question? What if they weren't really bi, but would just do it to get more women? Would one of the bi guys have to offer protection for the other one? "here Jim, use this one , no latex and ribbed" " I would say that as long as these two bi guys are accurately representing themselves to their meets then there is zero issue | |||
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"If you think all men wth single male profiles are actually single males then you are completely deluded. ...I was talking about both your posts....couples and single males.... I think your definition of both the words "judgemental" and "couple" are both different to mine. ...single male = solo profile...its nobody's business what their personal circumstances are...couples profile a man and a woman usually, don't have to be married. Don't have to be married to each other..if you catch my drift...again.. their personal circumstances are nobody else's business. I disagree. If a married couple for example are meeting two other people they believe to be in the same boat as them, but are in fact two singles, then I think they should know so they can decide if that's ok with them or not. Just my opinion....you actually ask couples if they are married to each other...? I have done in the past. I've also asked singles if they are really single or fab-single. Generally though this would be if I had some suspicion. Most people I would trust to be up front about these things without having to be asked....so many variables..what if a couple were married...but not to each other, what if a couple used to be married, then teamed up with someone else they met while swinging,?...do you think they should share that info with you? I would anticipate in those scenarios they would bring it up themselves. Certainly when I was swinging with Laura when we were both in other proper relationships then we would always bring it up for the sake of openness and to give them a choice. I liked to say "yes I'm married, just not to her" ...yet you don't mind judging others.. ?"Pot, kettle, black. | |||
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"Which particular judgement is it you are accusing me of? Can you try and be concise please....you're the one holding the moral high ground...you tell me " I can't defend myself if you can't explain what it is I'm being accused of. | |||
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"How about we change it up a little. What if two bi guys , not a couple , decided to pair up to help fulfil some ladies fantasies. Is this not the same kind of thing , beneficial to all involved. Is it only fair if everyone gets equal benefits? This idea of fairness is only a social construct. Would that be an ethical question? What if they weren't really bi, but would just do it to get more women? Would one of the bi guys have to offer protection for the other one? "here Jim, use this one , no latex and ribbed" I would say that as long as these two bi guys are accurately representing themselves to their meets then there is zero issue" If the bi guys are transparent with their intentions and desires, all good. Of course the woman has to actually share those desires as well. As long as no one is taking one for the team, then it's all good. | |||
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"Which particular judgement is it you are accusing me of? Can you try and be concise please....you're the one holding the moral high ground...you tell me I can't defend myself if you can't explain what it is I'm being accused of. " This has veered way off anything to do with the OP lads.... | |||
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"Which particular judgement is it you are accusing me of? Can you try and be concise please....you're the one holding the moral high ground...you tell me I can't defend myself if you can't explain what it is I'm being accused of. This has veered way off anything to do with the OP lads...." ...you're right...the op should be applauded for his honesty and ingenuity.. | |||
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"I ld prefer people who are transparent about their relationship status. Courtesy helps to navigate the fab world. It's easy to spell it out on profiles. " If someone wasn't transparent about their relationship status, then that's a red flag because they might be cheating and that's total turn off. An established couple would, I would guess, prefer another established couple so there's understanding, respect for dynamics and a reduction in drama. The justification for cheating on this thread is the usual yadda yadda. Nobody else's business? Yes it is. It's the people who you are planning to swing with, they'll want to know. They choose to be ok with it, but they should still know. It's also the business of some poor unwitting partner who thinks their loyal and faithful loved one is the bees knees and has no idea they are being exposed to STIs as well. | |||
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"If you think all men wth single male profiles are actually single males then you are completely deluded. ...I was talking about both your posts....couples and single males.... I think your definition of both the words "judgemental" and "couple" are both different to mine. ...single male = solo profile...its nobody's business what their personal circumstances are...couples profile a man and a woman usually, don't have to be married. Don't have to be married to each other..if you catch my drift...again.. their personal circumstances are nobody else's business. I disagree. If a married couple for example are meeting two other people they believe to be in the same boat as them, but are in fact two singles, then I think they should know so they can decide if that's ok with them or not. Just my opinion....you actually ask couples if they are married to each other...? I have done in the past. I've also asked singles if they are really single or fab-single. Generally though this would be if I had some suspicion. Most people I would trust to be up front about these things without having to be asked....so many variables..what if a couple were married...but not to each other, what if a couple used to be married, then teamed up with someone else they met while swinging,?...do you think they should share that info with you? I would anticipate in those scenarios they would bring it up themselves. Certainly when I was swinging with Laura when we were both in other proper relationships then we would always bring it up for the sake of openness and to give them a choice. I liked to say "yes I'm married, just not to her" ...yet you don't mind judging others.. ?
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"I m not confused, you seem to leap to very odd conclusions. You are accusing someone of being judgmental whilst repeatedly judging yourself. You seem hypocritical and facetious. " ...I didn't start the judging ..but congratulations o reading the whole thread | |||
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"I m not confused, you seem to leap to very odd conclusions. You are accusing someone of being judgmental whilst repeatedly judging yourself. You seem hypocritical and facetious. ...I didn't start the judging ..but congratulations o reading the whole thread " You are really revealing your true self aren't you. Good luck with that. | |||
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"I m not confused, you seem to leap to very odd conclusions. You are accusing someone of being judgmental whilst repeatedly judging yourself. You seem hypocritical and facetious. ...I didn't start the judging ..but congratulations o reading the whole thread " Can we just put these vague judgement claims to bed please. It's gone on long enough. All I see here is generally reasonable debate and varied opinion. It's ok to think differently without throwing accusations around. | |||
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