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Mathew Tate and that whole Alpha stereotype
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This has probably been discussed in the past but its something I've often wondered about because I read comments on here from many "studs" who talk in similar ways to wee Matty.
Do any women find that whole Alpha type guy persona attractive? I wouldn't dare judge anyone who does. You do you and all that. It just fascinates me though even though I don't like it. |
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"This has probably been discussed in the past but its something I've often wondered about because I read comments on here from many "studs" who talk in similar ways to wee Matty.
Do any women find that whole Alpha type guy persona attractive? I wouldn't dare judge anyone who does. You do you and all that. It just fascinates me though even though I don't like it."
...is he the one locked up...?...foul creature |
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His particular brand of alpha male seems to be targeted at exploiting women in order to sell to men. Men are the actual "customer" here. It's an attractive message for incel men who feel that they are missing something in order to appeal to women. Thankfully his message seems to be on a downwards trajectory now that the unpleasant side of it has been made clear. Many men hate the idea of "toxic masculinity" but this is at the heart of what Tate was selling.
My take is that masculine energy can also be feminist and nurturing/supporting of feminine power and rights, and the dirty underside of this is a last gasp of this kind of angry man who is gripping on to the patriarchy with him fingernails. |
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He's a guy that makes lots of money from people. He sells an idea of success and he is successful in what he does. He has some very controversial ideas that really don't make sense in the modern world. I have made a point to listen to some of what he says for the simple reason that second hand information is unreliable. I don't agree with his views but lots of people do. I think done issues being pushed on people cause them to seek answers and unfortunately, guys like Tate pop up and if one semblance of truth comes true they accept all the other nonsense they spout too. It's far too easy to blame others for your problems and Tate helps people to find excuses for their problems. Not a good guy, but successful and some badly informed people look up to him.
Check out his interview with i think Piers Morgan or Tucker Carlsson, I can't remember which one but you'll get a good idea of the guy from that. |
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"He's a guy that makes lots of money from people. He sells an idea of success and he is successful in what he does. He has some very controversial ideas that really don't make sense in the modern world. I have made a point to listen to some of what he says for the simple reason that second hand information is unreliable. I don't agree with his views but lots of people do. I think done issues being pushed on people cause them to seek answers and unfortunately, guys like Tate pop up and if one semblance of truth comes true they accept all the other nonsense they spout too. It's far too easy to blame others for your problems and Tate helps people to find excuses for their problems. Not a good guy, but successful and some badly informed people look up to him.
Check out his interview with i think Piers Morgan or Tucker Carlsson, I can't remember which one but you'll get a good idea of the guy from that. "
.....piers or tucker?...its hard to pick between those two pillars of journalism.
The right wing seem to love Tate...and they're quite fond of tucker and piers as well... |
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"He is the reason why many women find it hard to truly trust men. There is a fear that Andrew Tate is saying is actually what many men feel but know they won't get away with vocalising. "
....are you guessing 90% of men...?
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"He is the reason why many women find it hard to truly trust men. There is a fear that Andrew Tate is saying is actually what many men feel but know they won't get away with vocalising. ....are you guessing 90% of men...?"
I didn't put a figure on it. |
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"He is the reason why many women find it hard to truly trust men. There is a fear that Andrew Tate is saying is actually what many men feel but know they won't get away with vocalising. ....are you guessing 90% of men...?
I didn't put a figure on it. "
...not on this thread you didn't. |
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"He is the reason why many women find it hard to truly trust men. There is a fear that Andrew Tate is saying is actually what many men feel but know they won't get away with vocalising. "
If true, that's very unfair. You can't judge all men on the bigotry of one man |
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By *rRiosMan 5 weeks ago
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"Is that not Andrew Tate?...he's Andrew's brother I believe
It is Andrew, Tristan is the brother...yeah...that sounds right...is he in the clink as well?"
I think he’s under house arrest but only recently his defense got a lot of the evidence use inadmissible for various reasons. |
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"He is the reason why many women find it hard to truly trust men. There is a fear that Andrew Tate is saying is actually what many men feel but know they won't get away with vocalising. ....are you guessing 90% of men...?
I didn't put a figure on it. ...not on this thread you didn't. "
Unrelated and out of context. |
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"He is the reason why many women find it hard to truly trust men. There is a fear that Andrew Tate is saying is actually what many men feel but know they won't get away with vocalising.
If true, that's very unfair. You can't judge all men on the bigotry of one man"
Sadly it's not the voice of a single man but a general trend and plenty of incense think he has a point. |
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"He is the reason why many women find it hard to truly trust men. There is a fear that Andrew Tate is saying is actually what many men feel but know they won't get away with vocalising.
If true, that's very unfair. You can't judge all men on the bigotry of one man
Sadly it's not the voice of a single man but a general trend and plenty of incense think he has a point. "
Incels...it autocorrected |
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"He is the reason why many women find it hard to truly trust men. There is a fear that Andrew Tate is saying is actually what many men feel but know they won't get away with vocalising. ....are you guessing 90% of men...?
I didn't put a figure on it. ...not on this thread you didn't.
Unrelated and out of context. "
...seems like a common thread to me. If you've had problems with men..it's hardly 90% or even "a lot of ".. |
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"He is the reason why many women find it hard to truly trust men. There is a fear that Andrew Tate is saying is actually what many men feel but know they won't get away with vocalising. ....are you guessing 90% of men...?
I didn't put a figure on it. ...not on this thread you didn't.
Unrelated and out of context. ...seems like a common thread to me. If you've had problems with men..it's hardly 90% or even "a lot of ".."
I was on another thread specifically talking about married but cheating men on here. A guy recently termed it 'playing without permission' in the inbox. I wonder did saying it that way help him feel better about himself. He'd messaged despite the very clear statement on our profile about no married but cheating people (same for women but we mostly hear from men). So this is a specific problem on Fab.
The problem with Andrew Tate types is they are all across the board. As a female working in a male dominated industry even just going to a conference is running the gauntlet. And I know many women who face this every day. Even walking down a dimly lit street induces a fear, that you may not even able to comprehend. Unless you have been a victim of SA.
In 2018 two Ulster Rugby Players went on trial and WhatsApp group messages about them boasting about the ra.e they had done went public (one example, another the Pelicot case in France, and many others). It highlighted the endemic issue of violence against women being minimised and even applauded by men. It's not all men...but it could be one man out of a group, but we dont know which one. It could be you. It could be our next meet.
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"He is the reason why many women find it hard to truly trust men. There is a fear that Andrew Tate is saying is actually what many men feel but know they won't get away with vocalising. ....are you guessing 90% of men...?
I didn't put a figure on it. ...not on this thread you didn't.
Unrelated and out of context. ...seems like a common thread to me. If you've had problems with men..it's hardly 90% or even "a lot of "..
I was on another thread specifically talking about married but cheating men on here. A guy recently termed it 'playing without permission' in the inbox. I wonder did saying it that way help him feel better about himself. He'd messaged despite the very clear statement on our profile about no married but cheating people (same for women but we mostly hear from men). So this is a specific problem on Fab.
The problem with Andrew Tate types is they are all across the board. As a female working in a male dominated industry even just going to a conference is running the gauntlet. And I know many women who face this every day. Even walking down a dimly lit street induces a fear, that you may not even able to comprehend. Unless you have been a victim of SA.
In 2018 two Ulster Rugby Players went on trial and WhatsApp group messages about them boasting about the ra.e they had done went public (one example, another the Pelicot case in France, and many others). It highlighted the endemic issue of violence against women being minimised and even applauded by men. It's not all men...but it could be one man out of a group, but we dont know which one. It could be you. It could be our next meet.
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...you actually said "at a guess about 90% of men on here"
Yes tate has a lot of followers..mostly young uneducated white nationalists.
The two rugby players you mentioned were found not guilty by a jury of their peers.
You're indulging in random man bashing for reasons know only to you. |
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"He is the reason why many women find it hard to truly trust men. There is a fear that Andrew Tate is saying is actually what many men feel but know they won't get away with vocalising. ....are you guessing 90% of men...?
I didn't put a figure on it. ...not on this thread you didn't.
Unrelated and out of context. ...seems like a common thread to me. If you've had problems with men..it's hardly 90% or even "a lot of "..
I was on another thread specifically talking about married but cheating men on here. A guy recently termed it 'playing without permission' in the inbox. I wonder did saying it that way help him feel better about himself. He'd messaged despite the very clear statement on our profile about no married but cheating people (same for women but we mostly hear from men). So this is a specific problem on Fab.
The problem with Andrew Tate types is they are all across the board. As a female working in a male dominated industry even just going to a conference is running the gauntlet. And I know many women who face this every day. Even walking down a dimly lit street induces a fear, that you may not even able to comprehend. Unless you have been a victim of SA.
In 2018 two Ulster Rugby Players went on trial and WhatsApp group messages about them boasting about the ra.e they had done went public (one example, another the Pelicot case in France, and many others). It highlighted the endemic issue of violence against women being minimised and even applauded by men. It's not all men...but it could be one man out of a group, but we dont know which one. It could be you. It could be our next meet.
...you actually said "at a guess about 90% of men on here"
Yes tate has a lot of followers..mostly young uneducated white nationalists.
The two rugby players you mentioned were found not guilty by a jury of their peers.
You're indulging in random man bashing for reasons know only to you. "
I am indulging is specific man bashing of the type that cheat, and the type that assault, demean or look down on women. That's not random.
But of course you will have to have the last word. |
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By *adylaceWoman 5 weeks ago
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Men like him aren't true Alpha men. They are little insecure boys that shout and scream about women to make themselves popular with other insecure boys. Unfortunately there are a lot of those out there and they have loud voices and they then have the platform to influence young boys and men growing up. It's a very worrying trend. |
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"He is the reason why many women find it hard to truly trust men. There is a fear that Andrew Tate is saying is actually what many men feel but know they won't get away with vocalising. ....are you guessing 90% of men...?
I didn't put a figure on it. ...not on this thread you didn't.
Unrelated and out of context. ...seems like a common thread to me. If you've had problems with men..it's hardly 90% or even "a lot of "..
I was on another thread specifically talking about married but cheating men on here. A guy recently termed it 'playing without permission' in the inbox. I wonder did saying it that way help him feel better about himself. He'd messaged despite the very clear statement on our profile about no married but cheating people (same for women but we mostly hear from men). So this is a specific problem on Fab.
The problem with Andrew Tate types is they are all across the board. As a female working in a male dominated industry even just going to a conference is running the gauntlet. And I know many women who face this every day. Even walking down a dimly lit street induces a fear, that you may not even able to comprehend. Unless you have been a victim of SA.
In 2018 two Ulster Rugby Players went on trial and WhatsApp group messages about them boasting about the ra.e they had done went public (one example, another the Pelicot case in France, and many others). It highlighted the endemic issue of violence against women being minimised and even applauded by men. It's not all men...but it could be one man out of a group, but we dont know which one. It could be you. It could be our next meet.
...you actually said "at a guess about 90% of men on here"
Yes tate has a lot of followers..mostly young uneducated white nationalists.
The two rugby players you mentioned were found not guilty by a jury of their peers.
You're indulging in random man bashing for reasons know only to you.
I am indulging is specific man bashing of the type that cheat, and the type that assault, demean or look down on women. That's not random.
But of course you will have to have the last word. "
..its not about having the last word...we're having a discussion are we not?
You mentioned 2 rugby players..that's not true
You mentioned 90% of men on her cheating..also not true ..although it's actually no one's business but their own.
Yes there are men who assault and demean women, but that's a wider discussion if you want to have it. |
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Most straight, white men (I have had this conversation with the men in my life) don’t realise the precautions women take every day of our lives, often without even thinking about it.
We text friends when we get home safe after a night out (I don’t know any men who do that).
We don’t make eye contact with groups of lads while walking by ourselves.
We have thought about what we could do if attacked.
We have our phones set up to send SOS alerts by pressing buttons in a certain sequence.
We’ll have a look to see who’s in a lift before getting in.
We don’t leave our drinks unattended.
Not every woman will do all of the above but all of us know someone who has been assaulted in some way.
Not every man is of concern but we don’t know which ones are and therefore, we have to be suspicious.
The rise of misogyny led by the likes of Tate, McGregor, Musk etc etc is of real concern and they all have been given a boost by Trump winning the presidency. The amount of horrific posts regarding women in the aftermath is a sign of things to come. Young men are at risk from that influence and it’s up to those around them to talk to them about it and ensure they don’t sign up for that way of thinking.
As for the OPs question, any sign that they consider themselves “alpha”, listen/follow to Joe rogan, Tate, musk, McGregor etc and they go straight in the bin for me. |
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"Most straight, white men (I have had this conversation with the men in my life) don’t realise the precautions women take every day of our lives, often without even thinking about it.
We text friends when we get home safe after a night out (I don’t know any men who do that).
We don’t make eye contact with groups of lads while walking by ourselves.
We have thought about what we could do if attacked.
We have our phones set up to send SOS alerts by pressing buttons in a certain sequence.
We’ll have a look to see who’s in a lift before getting in.
We don’t leave our drinks unattended.
Not every woman will do all of the above but all of us know someone who has been assaulted in some way.
Not every man is of concern but we don’t know which ones are and therefore, we have to be suspicious.
The rise of misogyny led by the likes of Tate, McGregor, Musk etc etc is of real concern and they all have been given a boost by Trump winning the presidency. The amount of horrific posts regarding women in the aftermath is a sign of things to come. Young men are at risk from that influence and it’s up to those around them to talk to them about it and ensure they don’t sign up for that way of thinking.
As for the OPs question, any sign that they consider themselves “alpha”, listen/follow to Joe rogan, Tate, musk, McGregor etc and they go straight in the bin for me. "
....most straight white men with daughters know exactly what you mean.
I had to teach a man a south armagh lesson in manners a few years ago when he put his hands on one of mine.
If more daddy's, uncles, brothers did the same, mabye these thugs would think again. |
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"This has probably been discussed in the past but its something I've often wondered about because I read comments on here from many "studs" who talk in similar ways to wee Matty.
Do any women find that whole Alpha type guy persona attractive? I wouldn't dare judge anyone who does. You do you and all that. It just fascinates me though even though I don't like it."
I do not. I find them shallow and boring. Give me a gentleman geek with a deviant streak 😈😎 |
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"Most straight, white men (I have had this conversation with the men in my life) don’t realise the precautions women take every day of our lives, often without even thinking about it.
We text friends when we get home safe after a night out (I don’t know any men who do that).
We don’t make eye contact with groups of lads while walking by ourselves.
We have thought about what we could do if attacked.
We have our phones set up to send SOS alerts by pressing buttons in a certain sequence.
We’ll have a look to see who’s in a lift before getting in.
We don’t leave our drinks unattended.
Not every woman will do all of the above but all of us know someone who has been assaulted in some way.
Not every man is of concern but we don’t know which ones are and therefore, we have to be suspicious.
The rise of misogyny led by the likes of Tate, McGregor, Musk etc etc is of real concern and they all have been given a boost by Trump winning the presidency. The amount of horrific posts regarding women in the aftermath is a sign of things to come. Young men are at risk from that influence and it’s up to those around them to talk to them about it and ensure they don’t sign up for that way of thinking.
As for the OPs question, any sign that they consider themselves “alpha”, listen/follow to Joe rogan, Tate, musk, McGregor etc and they go straight in the bin for me. "
I agree with 99% of what you said but I have to say and please do educate me on the two names that have me stumped. You named joe rogan and musk ? Why are you putting them in the same conversation as McGregor and Tate?
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By *oo32Man 5 weeks ago
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"Most straight, white men (I have had this conversation with the men in my life) don’t realise the precautions women take every day of our lives, often without even thinking about it.
We text friends when we get home safe after a night out (I don’t know any men who do that).
We don’t make eye contact with groups of lads while walking by ourselves.
We have thought about what we could do if attacked.
We have our phones set up to send SOS alerts by pressing buttons in a certain sequence.
We’ll have a look to see who’s in a lift before getting in.
We don’t leave our drinks unattended.
Not every woman will do all of the above but all of us know someone who has been assaulted in some way.
Not every man is of concern but we don’t know which ones are and therefore, we have to be suspicious.
The rise of misogyny led by the likes of Tate, McGregor, Musk etc etc is of real concern and they all have been given a boost by Trump winning the presidency. The amount of horrific posts regarding women in the aftermath is a sign of things to come. Young men are at risk from that influence and it’s up to those around them to talk to them about it and ensure they don’t sign up for that way of thinking.
As for the OPs question, any sign that they consider themselves “alpha”, listen/follow to Joe rogan, Tate, musk, McGregor etc and they go straight in the bin for me.
I agree with 99% of what you said but I have to say and please do educate me on the two names that have me stumped. You named joe rogan and musk ? Why are you putting them in the same conversation as McGregor and Tate?
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Google them....its easier |
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"Most straight, white men (I have had this conversation with the men in my life) don’t realise the precautions women take every day of our lives, often without even thinking about it.
We text friends when we get home safe after a night out (I don’t know any men who do that).
We don’t make eye contact with groups of lads while walking by ourselves.
We have thought about what we could do if attacked.
We have our phones set up to send SOS alerts by pressing buttons in a certain sequence.
We’ll have a look to see who’s in a lift before getting in.
We don’t leave our drinks unattended.
Not every woman will do all of the above but all of us know someone who has been assaulted in some way.
Not every man is of concern but we don’t know which ones are and therefore, we have to be suspicious.
The rise of misogyny led by the likes of Tate, McGregor, Musk etc etc is of real concern and they all have been given a boost by Trump winning the presidency. The amount of horrific posts regarding women in the aftermath is a sign of things to come. Young men are at risk from that influence and it’s up to those around them to talk to them about it and ensure they don’t sign up for that way of thinking.
As for the OPs question, any sign that they consider themselves “alpha”, listen/follow to Joe rogan, Tate, musk, McGregor etc and they go straight in the bin for me.
I agree with 99% of what you said but I have to say and please do educate me on the two names that have me stumped. You named joe rogan and musk ? Why are you putting them in the same conversation as McGregor and Tate?
Google them....its easier"
Musk launched another rocket.
Joe rogan has a massive audience.
That's Google for you |
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Very few people will openly admit to liking or relating to these "alpha" influencers.
But they have massive audiences, they are extremely skilled at speaking to their demographic.
And yes there is definitely a market on fab of women to want an alpha "man's man" |
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"Men like him aren't true Alpha men. They are little insecure boys that shout and scream about women to make themselves popular with other insecure boys. Unfortunately there are a lot of those out there and they have loud voices and they then have the platform to influence young boys and men growing up. It's a very worrying trend."
This would be my thought on it too. |
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